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| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 11 12:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| prometheanfire | tonyb, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl, smcginnis: ping | 12:00 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 12:00 |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:01 |
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| prometheanfire | looks like it's just us | 12:02 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Any controversies in the Queue | 12:02 |
| coolsvap | Yeah | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any controversies in the Queue (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:02 | |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 12:03 |
| * coolsvap haven't seen the queue since the weekend | 12:03 | |
| prometheanfire | I don't see anything, the main things I'm focused on reqs wise is zuulv3 and getting known breaking packages update (like the new iso8601) | 12:05 |
| prometheanfire | so, moving on | 12:05 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Open Discussion | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:05 | |
| smcginnis | Are we tracking the iso8601 thing somewhere. Last I remember there were still a few projects needing updates. | 12:05 |
| prometheanfire | anything people want me to include in the project update in sydney? | 12:06 |
| prometheanfire | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.versionedobjects/+bug/1715486 | 12:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1715486 in IoTronic "py35 tests failing due to iso8601 module change" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to zhangyangyang (zhangyangyang) | 12:06 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.versionedobjects/+bug/1715486 | 12:06 |
| prometheanfire | I think that's as close as we are going to get | 12:06 |
| prometheanfire | if it passes gating we should allow it in | 12:06 |
| smcginnis | Oh right, hopefully I got all users in there. | 12:06 |
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| toabctl | hi | 12:07 |
| prometheanfire | smcginnis: :D | 12:07 |
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| smcginnis | No ideas for the Sydney update. | 12:09 |
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| prometheanfire | k, anything else? | 12:09 |
| coolsvap | Can we revise the meeting time? | 12:10 |
| coolsvap | It falls in my commute time mostly | 12:10 |
| smcginnis | It could be a little easier for me if it was slightly later. Even by an hour. | 12:11 |
| coolsvap | But I don't think we get everyone in the meeting to decide as well | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | I'll talk to tony and see if we can move it later | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | 6 AM is early for me too | 12:11 |
| smcginnis | But whatever works best for the group as a whole. | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | he isn't here much anymore | 12:11 |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: Yikes, 6 am is brutal. | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | yep, alarm set for 5:50 | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | if that's it I'll close | 12:12 |
| coolsvap | Yup | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 12:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:13 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 11 12:13:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-10-11-12.00.html | 12:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-10-11-12.00.txt | 12:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-10-11-12.00.log.html | 12:13 |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: Thanks! | 12:13 |
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| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 11 14:02:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | Hi everyone! o/ | 14:02 |
| zhipeng | hi ! | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | Who is here for the PCWG meeting? | 14:03 |
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| tobberydberg | Please sign your name at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:03 |
| tobberydberg | Agenda is there as well! | 14:03 |
| yankcrime | hi! | 14:04 |
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| tobberydberg | Hi yankcrime | 14:04 |
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| tobberydberg | I guess seanhandley is around as well | 14:04 |
| seanhandley | o/ | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | I guess we get started and let more people join in later... | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 1. Review Action Points | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1. Review Action Points (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:05 | |
| tobberydberg | eanhandley To write up initial draft spec for Passport Program v1 technical workflow | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | seanhandley: Missed an "s" there... =) | 14:05 |
| seanhandley | Yes | 14:06 |
| seanhandley | So I got started on that here: https://github.com/seanhandley/publiccloud-wg/commit/5329342b79dd95f1f24306bb354aa0eea02fb83d | 14:06 |
| seanhandley | Still needs a lot of editorial work | 14:06 |
| seanhandley | and I got a reasonable way through discussing publishing specs on specs.openstack.org with clarkb | 14:06 |
| seanhandley | there's some special process to get docs published there | 14:07 |
| seanhandley | but he's been swamped with the zuul v3 rollout | 14:07 |
| seanhandley | so sadly I'm still uncertain what needs to happen in order to publish | 14:07 |
| seanhandley | Anyway, there's some content in the .rst file there so that's something :) | 14:07 |
| seanhandley | I guess my next AP is to follow up with clarkb and get it published whenever possible | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | Ok. Nice work seanhandley | 14:08 |
| seanhandley | In the meantime I can merge it to our master branch via gerrit so others can contribute | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | yes, would be good! | 14:08 |
| zhipeng | we could host it at the publiccloud wg repo right ? | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:08 |
| seanhandley | Yes zhipeng, that's where the RST files will be | 14:08 |
| seanhandley | just like the api-wg do | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | Can you take that as an action? | 14:08 |
| zhipeng | seanhandley you will need git review that using openstack gerrit | 14:08 |
| zhipeng | it could not be done on github | 14:09 |
| seanhandley | I know zhipeng | 14:09 |
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| seanhandley | I've merged some changes via gerrit there already | 14:09 |
| zhipeng | :) gr8t ! | 14:09 |
| seanhandley | I just held out on this change because I wanted to know clearly how to deploy specs | 14:09 |
| zhipeng | you could add tobias and me for review | 14:09 |
| seanhandley | Sure - I'll do that shortly | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | ok, good! | 14:10 |
| tobberydberg | Next: * tobberydberg to submit 1 x technical forum session | 14:10 |
| tobberydberg | Did submit 2 sessions....should be reviewed and decided today I believe | 14:10 |
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| tobberydberg | One on missing features and one passport moving forward basically | 14:11 |
| seanhandley | (PS there's a gerrit link in the #openstack-publiccloud channel if you want to review) | 14:11 |
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| zhipeng | ah nice ! | 14:11 |
| hogepodge | Hi | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | welcome | 14:12 |
| wondra | Hi. | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | will do review as soon as my ubuntu account let me in... | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | welcome wondra and hogepodge | 14:13 |
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| tobberydberg | please put your name at the etherpad | 14:13 |
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| seanhandley | hi o/ | 14:13 |
| hogepodge | I'm on mobile right now | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | * zhipeng DeathPing Melvin for a response on the SIG transformation process | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | any update on that zhipeng? | 14:14 |
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| zhipeng | melvin told me he discussed with you ? | 14:14 |
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| zhipeng | like the week before last week | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | we had a discussion I remember...will look into that | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | zhipeng Contact Tom to get the meetup series officially recognised | 14:16 |
| zhipeng | I need to do that tmr, sorry | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | Pretty close to deadline now, but maybe we can get something out of it | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | moving on | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | 2. Passport Program | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 2. Passport Program | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2. Passport Program (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:17 | |
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| tobberydberg | So, please help me out here with the things I miss... | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | But, status | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | We are reviewing applications (can be found at the link at the agenda) | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | Foundation are working on graphics right now, and there will be 2 webinars this week for questions | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | First webinar is tomorrow at 1500 UTC, next one friday 0000 UTC (?) | 14:19 |
| seanhandley | I'll be able to attend the 1st webinar | 14:19 |
| seanhandley | but not the 2nd | 14:19 |
| seanhandley | (Sorry, 5 year anniversary) | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | Everyone with questions regarding the launch or something else regarding the program are welcome | 14:19 |
| yankcrime | have those sessions been announced anywhere in particular tobberydberg ? | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | np seanhandley...if I manage to stay awake, I'll try to join | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | In emails to all the signed up parties yankcrime | 14:20 |
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| hogepodge | We can send the same announcement to the mailing list | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:21 |
| seanhandley | +1 | 14:21 |
| yankcrime | if it's still open to all, i.e there's still a chance for more public clouds to sign up then yes, i think it should be circulated a bit more widely | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | can you do that hogepodge ? | 14:21 |
| hogepodge | Yes | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks! | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | I would say it is semi-open ... we will not have time to "evaluate" all new signups I guess... AND they will not have time to integrate the landingpage/graphics/texts | 14:22 |
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| seanhandley | One thing I should mention just FYI all | 14:24 |
| * tobberydberg approved your commit seanhandley | 14:24 | |
| seanhandley | Thanks tobberydberg +1 | 14:24 |
| seanhandley | DataCentred is officially set to cease trading at the end of October :( | 14:24 |
| seanhandley | We had a rescue bid for the business but it failed | 14:24 |
| yankcrime | actually, datacentred is no longer trading | 14:25 |
| seanhandley | so if you see it anywhere regarding the Passport Program, strike out the name - we won't have a running cloud very soon | 14:25 |
| seanhandley | Yeah, technically | 14:25 |
| yankcrime | but yes, it's over for datacentred in its current form | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | as you know, sorry for you guys! | 14:26 |
| seanhandley | Thanks tobberydberg. Don't want to dwell on it anyway - just want to make sure people know the situation. Now back to our regular programming :-) | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | And hope you find interesting challenges containing openstack very soon | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Y2_TiSjElnPdNvVtIsco2_PVTtfKdZDMtvL5mmW6E7A/ | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | That is something that is up for feedback! | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | Would like to encourage you all to read and comment, all feedback is welcome | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | The first part in particular, since that regards the webinar | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | we can have this question a little open and get back to during the meeting if you don't have any questions or something that you would like to discuss right away... | 14:29 |
| seanhandley | Ah nice - thanks! | 14:29 |
| yankcrime | yeah i think that'll take a little time to review | 14:29 |
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| tobberydberg | yes...I move on and we can get back to it later... | 14:29 |
| tobberydberg | ...more passport... | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | Oct 16 - Finalize text/layout for Passport landing page on openstack.org | 14:30 |
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| tobberydberg | ...next on the timeline that is | 14:31 |
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| tobberydberg | Next: Oct 28th - Deadline for participating providers to have their website live/tested before launch | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | and finally ... | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | Nov 6 - launch passport program | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | what we hope for, first day of the summit | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | questions about that are also welcome at the webinars | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | so...leaving the PP for now, we return later during meeting | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 3. Meetup Copenhagen | 14:32 |
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| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEETUPS-2017-publiccloud-wg | 14:33 |
| tobberydberg | In the bottom at that ether, please add your name if you plan to attend IRL or remote | 14:34 |
| zhipeng | will we have a room ? | 14:34 |
| hogepodge | tobberydberg: that was everything, thanks! | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | thanks hogepodge! | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | We will zhipeng ... but we are not part of the official schedule, which is to bad and something that I will push for next time | 14:35 |
| zhipeng | I could put the information on the meetup group I created | 14:36 |
| zhipeng | so i suppose it would be 19th right ? | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | THe room and time/day isn't set either ... depending on peoples arrival etc | 14:36 |
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| zhipeng | I'm also wondering if we could do a followup meetup next day, just find a cafe or some place | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | Haven't decided that either, but I guess that is for the best, some time during the afternoon there | 14:37 |
| zhipeng | if we got anything left uncoverd on 19th | 14:37 |
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| tobberydberg | I will not be available 20th unfortunately | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | but, I'm there all day 18th and 9th | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | *19th | 14:38 |
| zhipeng | okey | 14:38 |
| zhipeng | just a thought :P | 14:38 |
| tobberydberg | If you have suggestion of agenda items, please add them to the meetup ether | 14:38 |
| tobberydberg | goes for all of you | 14:38 |
| seanhandley | +1 | 14:38 |
| zhipeng | so for the format | 14:38 |
| seanhandley | I'll do what I can | 14:38 |
| tobberydberg | wondra: will you be in Copenhagen? | 14:38 |
| seanhandley | still not clear if I'll be able to attend in person btw zhipeng | 14:38 |
| seanhandley | May just be you and tobberydberg chairing | 14:39 |
| zhipeng | seanhandley understood | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | rmart04: will you be in Copenhagen? | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | We still hope for you seanhandley ;-) | 14:39 |
| wondra | No, but I'll be in the conference call tomorrow. | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | ok ok ... we will announce the day and time as soon as decided for meetup-meeting and hope that a few more will be able to join remotely | 14:40 |
| zhipeng | tobberydberg will we only have discussions or we could have presentations as well ? | 14:41 |
| tobberydberg | Discussions | 14:41 |
| tobberydberg | If we set an agenda, I will reach out to people I know will be there | 14:42 |
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| tobberydberg | Ok, leave that for now... | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Forum sessions | 14:42 |
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| rmart04 | tobberydberg: Unlikely unfortunately :( I will also be on the call tomorrow though | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | ok rmart04 | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg-sydney-forum-sessions | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | Those are the once submitted | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/29 | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/28 | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | No voting I believe, but thats the links to the official entries | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | So....Who will be in Sydney? | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | zhipeng: You will be there right? | 14:45 |
| zhipeng | unfortunately i propably will not be there | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | oh =) | 14:45 |
| seanhandley | that's a shame! | 14:45 |
| zhipeng | :( | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | I will have things to do then =) | 14:45 |
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| tobberydberg | Glad we didn't submit more sessions =) | 14:45 |
| zhipeng | and melvin should be there, so i will delegate things to him :) | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | sounds good, maybe he can help moderating as well ... since we have a few sessions... | 14:46 |
| zhipeng | yep | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | but ok, I'll look for other help as well, Naser and Brono from Catalyst will be there I believe, will reach out to them later.... | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | (good that question came up) ;-) | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Other matters | 14:48 |
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| tobberydberg | ? | 14:48 |
| seanhandley | Oh! | 14:49 |
| seanhandley | Testing signed up clouds | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | ...or for that matter... Moving back to other topics | 14:49 |
| seanhandley | we should mention this | 14:49 |
| yankcrime | mnaser is like, the ultimate forum session moderator ;) | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | ah....yes | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | yes he is yankcrime | 14:50 |
| yankcrime | wasn't the thought there that we'd make interop a pre-req? | 14:50 |
| seanhandley | Long term yes | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | we had a few of those, but foundation had a will not to close out to many from the beginning | 14:50 |
| seanhandley | not in the first iteration | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | And we thought that was a good idea | 14:51 |
| yankcrime | righto, now i remember | 14:51 |
| seanhandley | regarding testing the signed up clouds: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10ID98gJTMd91hmQuKJDfdm6YtC1AjAbcf4QsgnqsPFI/edit#gid=1029030014 | 14:51 |
| yankcrime | yeah, launch schedule is pretty aggressive | 14:51 |
| yankcrime | although any cloud worth its salt should be part of interop, obvs ;) | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | But, trying ut a few clouds, we will some job there... | 14:51 |
| seanhandley | myself, tobberydberg and zhipeng have four clouds each to test | 14:51 |
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| tobberydberg | totally agree yankcrime | 14:52 |
| wondra | Does Interop also mean Foundation membership and the Powered logo? Cause we kindnofndon't have the budget for that. | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | basically yes wondra | 14:53 |
| seanhandley | tobberydberg: when is our deadline for ux testing of public clouds? | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | Not sure | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | the sooner the better | 14:54 |
| seanhandley | zhipeng: I know last week was a vacation for you | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | I would like to be able to send a decision to the clouds (approved or not) at the same time as the graphics are sent... | 14:54 |
| seanhandley | Any chance you can take a look at some of those on the spreadsheet this week? | 14:54 |
| zhipeng | yes definitely | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | but, that is just a thought from my side | 14:54 |
| seanhandley | awesome | 14:54 |
| seanhandley | tobberydberg is ahead there | 14:55 |
| seanhandley | I've fallen behind in my testing this week - still 3 to go | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | which also will give them some time fixing some things if they need to | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | for example "privacy policy" | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | even though I know those are not done very quickly | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | so, maybe thats not a good idea? | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | ...wait with decision until 28th? | 14:56 |
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| seanhandley | sounds reasonable to me | 14:57 |
| seanhandley | I'm sure the Foundation wants to square things away quickly | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | because then we will need to have another round of evaluation (are graphics in place) | 14:57 |
| seanhandley | the ramp up to the summit will make all foundation staff very busy | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | mmm | 14:57 |
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| tobberydberg | And probably us as well | 14:57 |
| seanhandley | any thoughts there hogepodge ? | 14:57 |
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| seanhandley | hmm maybe continue in #openstack-publiccloud if necessary then? | 14:59 |
| seanhandley | Guess we're done for time in this room | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 15:00 |
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| tobberydberg | sounds good | 15:00 |
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| tobberydberg | thanks for today folks! | 15:00 |
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| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 11 15:00:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| yankcrime | thanks tobberydberg | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-10-11-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-10-11-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-10-11-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 11 16:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:00 |
| georgk | hi | 16:00 |
| eglute | #chair markvoelker hogepodge | 16:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone! Today's agenda: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.18 | 16:01 |
| eglute | please feel free to update as needed | 16:01 |
| eglute | hogepodge has a conflict, so his availability will be limited | 16:02 |
| mguiney | o/ | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic OpenStack Summit Sydney | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Summit Sydney (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:02 | |
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| markvoelker | Just a general reminder here about the Forum session. If folks would like to note other related sessions in the pad for general awareness, please do! | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | Out of curiosity: who's going? I know hogepodge and I are and eglute isn't. Anyone else? | 16:03 |
| georgk | I´ll be there | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | \o/ | 16:04 |
| georgk | :-) | 16:04 |
| dims | o/ | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | \o/ (again) | 16:04 |
| Rockyg | I'm thinking I won't be making it. | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | bummer | 16:05 |
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| Rockyg | which means someone will need to help georgk with the refstack/opnfv sessions | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: ^^ (even though you're not here, just recording for the minutes) | 16:06 |
| Rockyg | if they make it on the schedule. which they should | 16:06 |
| georgk | yeah... | 16:06 |
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| markvoelker | Anything else we need to talk about for Sydney today? | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | #topic Verticals: NFV | 16:07 |
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| Rockyg | uh, on the etherpad at the top, should the "next" be sydney summit not boston summit? | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: yes =p Old copy/paste | 16:08 |
| eglute | Rockyg thanks! will fix that :D | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | Two topics I'd like to get some input on today for the NFV program: | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | First, one of the questions that's come up while I've been drafting an initial capabilities list is how many releases we should cover | 16:08 |
| Rockyg | great question | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | As a reminder, the OpenStack Powered program covers 3.5 releases (e.g. you can currently get a logo agreement if you have a compliant offering that uses Mitaka, Newton, Ocata, or Pike) | 16:10 |
| georgk | so, you are wondering if NFV is developing so fast that we cannot maintain a 3 release compatibiulity | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | georgk: Partly, yes. Some of the features we've been considering actually didn't appear until after Mitaka, for example. | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | This could be a one-off issue (there have been a *lot* of NFV-driven changes in the past few releases, that may cool down a bit in terms of what's widely deployed enough to meet criteria though). Or not. | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | My general inclination is to stick with the precedent set by Powered for the time being and solicit some feedback | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | I can make note of capabilities that don't make the list because of the timing in the scoring sheet | 16:12 |
| eglute | maybe keep it in advisory until cover enough releases? | 16:12 |
| eglute | would that work? | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | eglute: That's an option too, but there's been some sentiment that there's been enough new stuff going into OpenStack in recent releases that's driven by NFV that we may end up with a pretty weak Guideline, at least initially. E.g. realistically you may need more capabilities than what we require. | 16:13 |
| georgk | eglute: that sounds reasonable | 16:13 |
| eglute | markvoelker mitaka would roll off next year anyways, correct? | 16:14 |
| eglute | if all the nfv features available in newton? | 16:14 |
| eglute | or are they even later? | 16:14 |
| eglute | we need to start out with advisory anyways | 16:15 |
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| markvoelker | As always, I think that depends a little on who you ask. =) Hence I thought I'd bring it up here to discuss. | 16:15 |
| eglute | markvoelker what do you propose | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | eglute: Per above, my initial though is to stick with the coverage from Powered and I'll make note in the scoring worksheet of anything that doesn't get considered because of it that folks have asked about. | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | That should give us a more concrete list and we can make changes as necessary. | 16:17 |
| eglute | markvoelker sounds good | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | Any objections? | 16:18 |
| eglute | not from me! | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | #agreed We'll stick with the 3.5 release requirement for the NFV vertical | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | Ok, on to the second issue.... | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | One of the buckets of capabilities we're considering here is LBaaS. | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. Remember the first powered guideline was awful weak, too. | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | The third one finally got a little meat. | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | As most of you are aware, there are currently basically two implementations fo the LBaaS v2 API: classic neutron LBaaS and Octavia. | 16:19 |
| georgk | Rockyg: honestly, OPNFV has the same issue | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. It's hard to have stricter Openstack guidelines than OPNFV has for itself ;-) | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | In my (completely anecdotal, YMMV) experience there are currently more deployments of classic neutron LBaaS in production, but the future direction is toward Octavia. | 16:20 |
| eglute | Rockyg good point. We did follow up 1st guideline with 2 others pretty fast. | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | We've talked about this once or twice now but haven't come down on a firm decision about how to handle it. | 16:21 |
| eglute | markvoelker we had this issue with neutron vs nova networks | 16:21 |
| Rockyg | eglute, ++ | 16:21 |
| eglute | not sure if it is the same exact situation | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | eglute: this is different because they are two implementations of the same API | 16:21 |
| Rockyg | and glance v2 | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | Whereas nova-net vs neutron were very different capability sets and completely different API's | 16:22 |
| eglute | markvoelker if apis are the same, are the tests the same? | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | eglute: they *could* be in some cases. Generally they aren't as of now. | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | So, two things to think about with this situation: | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | 1.) Do we think this is a general situation that's likely to come up more and more often (two implementations of the same API), or is this sort of a one-off? | 16:24 |
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| markvoelker | 2.) If we want to consider saying "either implementation of the API is acceptable since a tool calling the API won't know the difference" then do we want to tackle this with a schema change, or try to just use comments? | 16:24 |
| georgk | I am wondering about this: what about all the different Neutron backend implementations? | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | The answer to 2 may depend on 1 obviously | 16:25 |
| georgk | like different SDN controllers. Why are those not problematic? they also implement the same API | 16:25 |
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| markvoelker | georgk: the backend plugin/driver is generally abstracted: e.g. if I want to create a network or a port, the API call is the same whether my backend is OVS, NSX, or Linux Bridge. | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | Plugins are explicitly not designated sections | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | Whereas API code is | 16:26 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. In the early days, we talked about same api, different implementations. that was the motivation for required code segments | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | (generally) | 16:26 |
| georgk | markvoelker: and there IS a difference in the LBaas v2 API | 16:26 |
| georgk | ok | 16:27 |
| Rockyg | but for other things, lke sdn controllers, especially stuff openstack doesn't control, we should ust have a good set of api tests and scenario test | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | Well, again: the LBaaSv2 API generally provides an abstraction layer from whatever LB you're actually using (haproxy or NSX or whatever). | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | But in this case if we want the API server to be a designated section, we'd have to make the neutron API designated, the Octavia API designate, or both. | 16:27 |
| georgk | markvoelker: got it, thanks | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | (and our schema is currently designed around a single implementation...e.g. there's no concept of "you can use A or B to meet this requirement") | 16:28 |
| eglute | i would be inclined to say either implementation is fine for as long as API is the same but not sure about the tests... | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | eglute: right, that's sort of the next point here...ok, I'll jump to that. =) | 16:29 |
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| markvoelker | So if the API implementations are the same, it's entirely possible that tests could be written agnostic of the implementation | 16:30 |
| eglute | that would be ideal for us i think | 16:30 |
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| Rockyg | That would certainly demonstrate interop between the two implementations ;-) | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | In practice, this mostly isn't the case (https://github.com/openstack/octavia/tree/master/octavia/tests/tempest and https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/tree/master/neutron_lbaas/tests/tempest for example) | 16:30 |
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| eglute | of course it is not... | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | So, if we go with "either implementation is ok" then we also need to think about how to handle "you can pass test A or test B"...potentially. Or we could just hold off making these required until we're sure we have agnostic tests. | 16:31 |
| Rockyg | question is, could the lbaas test run successfully against Octavia and/or vice versa? | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | Or we could wait until everybody runs Octavia and classical lbaas is removed from the treee... | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | Or... | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | Well, you get the picture. | 16:32 |
| georgk | can we review the tests and only include those which are implementation agnostic? | 16:32 |
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| eglute | Rockyg would you be able to help us test it? | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | georgk: Possibly. Octavia does run some neutron tests at the gate. | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | I can reach out to some of our guys and see what we can do. Zhipeng and our Netron guys might be able to do some stuff. | 16:34 |
| eglute | Rockyg that would be great | 16:35 |
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| markvoelker | We can look into that as part of building the capabilities list, but what I'd like to get down to today is: do we want to potentially allow two implementations of an API, and is that something we want to build into the schema? | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | I'll point out that the later means we might need to make some adjustments to RefStack (particularly if we end up with "test A or test B"). | 16:36 |
| eglute | markvoelker i think that is not the ideal scenario but one we should consider. especially if it is just different tests for same api | 16:36 |
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| Rockyg | Yeah. I would think ther should be a set of common tests for a specific network function | 16:38 |
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| Rockyg | non common tests would be to help the user understand which implementation is the right one for them | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | Ok, so what I'm generally hearing is "let's see how far we can get with an 'or' for designated sections but not different tests". Yes? | 16:39 |
| eglute | Yes | 16:39 |
| Rockyg | yes. | 16:39 |
| Rockyg | georgk, what do you think? | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | Ok, I'll start drafting with that assumption then and we'll see how it turns out (/me makes mental note to set up both implementations in his lab this week for testing). | 16:40 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker for tackling this | 16:40 |
| georgk | yes | 16:41 |
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| markvoelker | If this works out, I'm hopeful we may not need a schema change. I'm pretty sure I can handle the designated sections stuff in commentary and RefStack doesn't really do much with designated sections anyway (other than display them as part ofthe guideline) | 16:41 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | Ok, let's move on...19 minutes to go and plenty of agenda stuff left | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | #topic Microversions | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Microversions (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:42 | |
| markvoelker | This may be a short topic since I think hogepodge had the AI's from last week but isn't around. =) | 16:42 |
| eglute | hogepodge said he had no updates on his items | 16:42 |
| eglute | unless mguiney can add anything? | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | Just have to send a patch. Find time to send the patch | 16:43 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | nifty | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | Ok, moving on.... | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | #topic Scoring for 2018.01 | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scoring for 2018.01 (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:43 | |
| markvoelker | Patches are drifting in and discussions are being had, which is good. =) | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | Are there specific items folks want to discuss here today? | 16:44 |
| eglute | i think nova one needs discussion | 16:44 |
| eglute | but perhaps first let people review? | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | eglute: You mean the patch adding keypairs? | 16:45 |
| eglute | yes | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509955 Nova scoring patch | 16:45 |
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| eglute | though i dont think Matt is on IRC right now | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | Was there something you wanted to bring up about it in particular? Looked pretty reasonable to me... | 16:46 |
| eglute | so this would include microversion | 16:46 |
| eglute | looks reasonable to me as well | 16:46 |
| eglute | but wanted to make sure people review and voice any concerns | 16:47 |
| eglute | if no concerns, reviews and +1 :) | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | IMHO this is something that's been around since Kilo and I've yet to run across a cloud that didn't support it that I can think of. If hogepodge does end up adding a microversion annotation to the schema we can add that later. | 16:48 |
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| Rockyg | ++ | 16:48 |
| eglute | great! will get +2 from me as well | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | Ok, if folks can land their comments/approvals in gerrit por favor, that's be lovely. | 16:49 |
| eglute | +2 | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | Other scoring items folks want to talk about today? | 16:49 |
| eglute | luzC noted her patch needed discussing | 16:49 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509638/ | 16:50 |
| eglute | though I don't think luzC is online right now | 16:50 |
| eglute | Question: identity-v3-list-projects capability was marked required 2017.09. | 16:50 |
| eglute | But the only TC available was flagged since it needs 2 users. | 16:50 |
| eglute | Should we move the capability back to advisory until TC is fixed? | 16:50 |
| eglute | or until other suitable TCs are added? | 16:50 |
| eglute | i am not sure i am entirely clear on the question | 16:51 |
| eglute | we could wait to discuss it till luzC is online | 16:51 |
| eglute | oh, TC i think is Test Case | 16:51 |
| eglute | not technical committee | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | I'm ok with leaving it (and leaving the flag) personally. I'd like to check if there's been any motion on a better test though. | 16:52 |
| eglute | i agree.. maybe luzC could check on a better test | 16:52 |
| markvoelker | Reverting a capability to advisory is something I don't think we've actually ever done. | 16:52 |
| markvoelker | Ok, other scoring stuff for today? | 16:53 |
| eglute | we could break new ground and try it :D but yes, flagging is fine | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | (7 minutes...) | 16:53 |
| eglute | not from me! | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | #topic Add-on Programs | 16:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add-on Programs (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:53 | |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: anything to note here today? | 16:53 |
| hogepodge | no, same, no room for interop work this week sadly | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | Thanks. Ok then, moving along | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | #topic Future project consultation | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Future project consultation (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:55 | |
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| markvoelker | Any updates here (none from me this week...)? | 16:55 |
| mriedem | blarg keypairs | 16:55 |
| mriedem | Rockyg: told me to show up | 16:55 |
| mriedem | but now it seems i don't need to | 16:55 |
| eglute | mriedem thank you for the patch! | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | mriedem: I think we're good. | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | #topic Open Floor | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Floor (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:56 | |
| Rockyg | sorry, matt! but you did a good enough job we all agreed | 16:57 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:57 |
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| markvoelker | OK gang, that's pretty much today's agenda. Anything folks want do discuss in the remaining 3 minutes? | 16:57 |
| eglute | markvoelker no other updates from me, thank you!! | 16:57 |
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| Rockyg | wait, got lance on keystone... | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 16:58 |
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| lbragstad | heard keystone was giving you problems? | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | how can i help? | 16:58 |
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| eglute | not problems exactly! we need a different test for one capability | 16:58 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509638/ | 16:58 |
| eglute | basically, we need a test with one user, non admin | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | This thing: https://github.com/openstack/interop/blob/master/2017.09.json#L1070-L1093 | 16:59 |
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| markvoelker | I think we'll have to switch over to #openstack-interop though, we're out of time... | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | ah - and this needs to be added to tempest? | 17:00 |
| eglute | lbragstad correct | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | before https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509638/ can actually be included as a requirement | 17:00 |
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| Rockyg | yup. moving to 3openstack-interop | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | Sorry gang, we need to yield the channel... | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| eglute | since we are out of time, lets move! thanks everyone! | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 11 17:01:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-10-11-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-10-11-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-10-11-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 11 17:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:01 |
| tssurya_ | 0/ | 17:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:01 |
| dansmith | wow tssurya_ has a tall head | 17:01 |
| melwitt | haha | 17:01 |
| tssurya_ | hehe :D | 17:01 |
| dansmith | #topic bugs | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| dansmith | mriedem: are you still debugging that one from a few minutes ago or are you good now? | 17:02 |
| mriedem | i marked it incomplete | 17:02 |
| mriedem | and put my notes in there | 17:02 |
| dansmith | right on | 17:02 |
| melwitt | I found a couple of bugs while working on improving our usage of CellDatabases | 17:02 |
| melwitt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1721670 | 17:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1721670 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Build notification in conductor fails to send due to InstanceNotFound" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to melanie witt (melwitt) | 17:02 |
| dansmith | yep, and patches are up for them all yes? | 17:02 |
| melwitt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1722404 | 17:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1722404 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Database transactions can fail with "TypeError: Can't upgrade a READER transaction to a WRITER mid-transaction" because of scatter_gather_cells" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to melanie witt (melwitt) | 17:03 |
| melwitt | yep patches are up. first one is merged so I proposed a backport for pike | 17:03 |
| dansmith | and backports? | 17:03 |
| dansmith | cool | 17:03 |
| dansmith | so there was another bug filed last week, I think after this meeting, about instance list | 17:04 |
| melwitt | I requested nominations for pike series on both bugs | 17:04 |
| dansmith | which has since been fixed | 17:04 |
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| dansmith | it was a fairly obscure detail I think, but otherwise haven't heard other complaints about our instance listing, so tentatively hopeful that that stuff is good | 17:04 |
| dansmith | so anything else here? any open/unsolved bugs? | 17:05 |
| mriedem | not from me | 17:05 |
| dansmith | cool | 17:05 |
| dansmith | #topic open reviews | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:05 | |
| dansmith | tssurya_: has a patch for nova-manage | 17:05 |
| tssurya_ | I have my first ever open stack patch here for the enhancement Wishlist bug . Reviews are most welcome (and sorry for large number of duplicate patch sets, was having some trouble regarding patch merge conflicts) : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510844/ | 17:05 |
| dansmith | I saw some traffic on it, but haven't circled back to look yet | 17:05 |
| dansmith | tssurya_: cool | 17:06 |
| dansmith | I have some remaining instance list patches up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508595 | 17:06 |
| dansmith | they squash buildrequests into the instance list stuff so we stop having stupid sorting with those | 17:07 |
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| dansmith | and also a patch that makes us only query cells we have instances in, | 17:07 |
| dansmith | which will help performance for people that segregate users by class into cells for organization or locality | 17:07 |
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| dansmith | the buildrequest one is definitely something I'd like to land soon | 17:07 |
| dansmith | the smarter cells patch is kinda optional, but I think it's worth doing | 17:08 |
| mriedem | segregate users by class into cells? | 17:08 |
| mriedem | so, tenant isolation host aggregates? | 17:08 |
| dansmith | if you take the edge case, | 17:08 |
| dansmith | you might have users in a remote office be booting things in the cell that is in their office | 17:08 |
| dansmith | or if people use cells for segregating new/old hardware, | 17:09 |
| dansmith | you might have performance users only booting new instances in the new hardware cell | 17:09 |
| dansmith | but yeah, basically, | 17:09 |
| dansmith | if your aggregate mapping makes you only boot things in one cell, no reason to make instance list always query other cells | 17:09 |
| mriedem | i was just trying to figure out how you make the connection, | 17:09 |
| mriedem | since it'd have to be via the host mappings implicitly | 17:09 |
| dansmith | no, organization through one of the available methods, like aggregates, | 17:10 |
| dansmith | but just making the cells lister thing not list unnecessary cells | 17:10 |
| dansmith | based on what cells you have instancemappings for | 17:10 |
| mriedem | that's this one right https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509002/ ? | 17:10 |
| dansmith | if we fix the instance archive thing deleting instance mappings, | 17:10 |
| dansmith | you'd also not list against cell0 if you have no error instances right now | 17:10 |
| dansmith | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508595/7 | 17:10 |
| dansmith | er, no | 17:11 |
| dansmith | the one at the end of that one | 17:11 |
| dansmith | mriedem: 002 is just a query method to make the next patch quick | 17:11 |
| mriedem | yeah, have you run this through the danperftestmachine9000? | 17:11 |
| mriedem | to see that the up front grouping doesn't affect a normal list too much? | 17:12 |
| dansmith | no, because it will only affect things with more cells | 17:12 |
| dansmith | I can't tell a difference between 500/500 cell0/cell1 and 1000 in cell1 reliably, so I'm not going to be able to see this either I think | 17:12 |
| dansmith | I can do it if you want, but it's not high on the prio list I don't think | 17:12 |
| dansmith | anyway, other open reviews.. melwitt has those fixes and corresponding fixture tweaks | 17:14 |
| dansmith | what else? | 17:14 |
| melwitt | yeah, the fixture patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508432 and I would appreciate review on it | 17:14 |
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| dansmith | okay nothing else I guess, so moving on | 17:16 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 17:16 |
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| mriedem | crap mel's notification fix reminds me i was going to collapse the 2 for loops in schedule_and_build_instances | 17:16 |
| melwitt | ohh, right | 17:16 |
| dansmith | anything else here? | 17:16 |
| mriedem | i have another patch to do the instance.tag stuff at server create better too, | 17:16 |
| mriedem | but it has to be cleaned up | 17:16 |
| dansmith | okay | 17:17 |
| mriedem | not directly cells related, but it came up when adding that stuff in schedule_and_build_instances | 17:17 |
| dansmith | yeah | 17:17 |
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| dansmith | okay if nothing else, I propose we get back to work | 17:18 |
| mriedem | yup | 17:18 |
| melwitt | yis | 17:18 |
| tssurya_ | yes | 17:18 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 11 17:18:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:18 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-10-11-17.01.html | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-10-11-17.01.txt | 17:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-10-11-17.01.log.html | 17:18 |
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| ying_zuo | #startmeeting horizon | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 11 20:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ying_zuo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | o/ | 20:01 |
| gary-smith | o/ | 20:01 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 20:01 |
| makowals_ | Hello | 20:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 20:01 |
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| rubasov_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Notices | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:02 | |
| ying_zuo | #info Queens-1 milestone is expected to be released by Oct 18 | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | please try to focus on closing the tickets listed on https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/queens-1 | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | #info Sydney summit sessions | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | we have the project update and project onboarding sessions confirmed | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | I am still waiting to hear about the user feedback session. | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | any suggestions on the topics for the project onboarding session? | 20:04 |
| * e0ne will miss this summit :( | 20:04 | |
| ying_zuo | :( | 20:04 |
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| ying_zuo | #topic Bug Reports Review | 20:06 |
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| ying_zuo | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uClL7g56/ | 20:06 |
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| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1681627 | 20:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1681627 in Zun UI "Page not found error on refreshing bowser " [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Shu Muto (shu-mutou) | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1704118 | 20:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1704118 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Spinner is stuck when deleting image in angularized panel" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Lajos Katona (lajos-katona) | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | shu-mutou left a note to ask for reviews on the patches for these two tickets | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | these are the patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491346/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490868/ | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Yeah I haven't got round to looking at that refresh patch yet | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | I'm not a big fan of the current solution. It's very verbose. | 20:08 |
| ying_zuo | he made some changes | 20:09 |
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| ying_zuo | still a pretty big change | 20:11 |
| ying_zuo | I left a comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490868/ | 20:11 |
| ying_zuo | just a nitpick. I think it's good other than that | 20:12 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1721286 | 20:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1721286 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Create volume from image displays incorrect AZs" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ivan Kolodyazhny (e0ne) | 20:12 |
| ying_zuo | thanks e0ne picking it up | 20:13 |
| e0ne | just assigned this bug to myself today. will take a look on this later this week | 20:13 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: np | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | awesome | 20:13 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1640537 | 20:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1640537 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Federated users should not see change password page" [Undecided,New] | 20:13 |
| gary-smith | I put that one on the list because I thought david-lyle could quickly triage it | 20:14 |
| ying_zuo | thanks | 20:14 |
| gary-smith | (I'm not very familiar with keystone federation) | 20:15 |
| ying_zuo | I think it makes sense to hide the page | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Isn't this a policy issue really? | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | I don't know if it stretches that far though | 20:17 |
| gary-smith | Does being federated necessarily preclude the ability to change the password via keystone? | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Either way should be controllable by information that we already have | 20:17 |
| ying_zuo | OPENSTACK_KEYSTONE_BACKEND is on local_seetings.py to control some actions on the identity panel | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | gary-smith: I don't know unfortunately :( | 20:17 |
| ying_zuo | I don't think it's policy | 20:18 |
| gary-smith | would setting can_edit_user to False in OPENSTACK_KEYSTONE_BACKEND suppress the password change setting? | 20:20 |
| ying_zuo | I think the user can still use keystone or other logins | 20:21 |
| ying_zuo | on a cluster | 20:21 |
| ying_zuo | gary-smith: I would think that just control the edit user action | 20:21 |
| gary-smith | makes sense | 20:21 |
| ying_zuo | I was thinking to add can_change_password there | 20:21 |
| ying_zuo | but that will work just like setting a policy rule | 20:22 |
| ying_zuo | so adding a setting probably won't work | 20:22 |
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| robcresswell | You could make it setting controlled, all I meant was that I think you may be able to already tell anyway | 20:24 |
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| robcresswell | I don't know enough about how keystone presents federated logins vs keystone ones | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | If we can distinguish, we can just solve that bug without extra settings | 20:24 |
| ying_zuo | yes | 20:24 |
| ying_zuo | will need to make a call to check how the logged in user is authenticate instead of using a setting | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | Yeah I don't know if there's any way of distinguishing. Lets put this to the side anyway, since none of us know | 20:26 |
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| ying_zuo | sure. that's a good start | 20:26 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1690790 | 20:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690790 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "policy checks for detach_interface not working correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:26 |
| ying_zuo | the policy rule for detach interface is still not defined on the sample nova policy | 20:28 |
| ying_zuo | there's one for attach interface though | 20:29 |
| ying_zuo | maybe we can use that for the detach interface too? | 20:29 |
| ying_zuo | it's not ideal | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | What does Nova do, just use attach for both? | 20:31 |
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| ying_zuo | good question | 20:31 |
| ying_zuo | just need to look into that then :) | 20:32 |
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| robcresswell | also nova dont provide sample policy files, it needs to be generated | 20:32 |
| ying_zuo | yes | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, just duplicate the nova equivalent | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | Its a one line change at best, just need to check the rule | 20:32 |
| ying_zuo | I was referring to the one in horizon | 20:32 |
| ying_zuo | I didn't see one in nova | 20:33 |
| ying_zuo | like you said, needs to be generated | 20:33 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1686266 | 20:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1686266 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "upload images with an invalid URL lead to a "Queued" status image forever" [Undecided,New] | 20:33 |
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| ying_zuo | should we do any validation for the url? | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, but the one in Horizon isn't pushed automatically from anywhere; we just manually update it from time to time | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | No, we should just do what the API does | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | Which is leave it queued forever, apparently. | 20:35 |
| ying_zuo | cool | 20:35 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1649183 | 20:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649183 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "image category buttons don't appear in newton" [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | pffft | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | How demanding. | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | Its a regression that we should fix | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | Though I dislike their attitude :/ | 20:37 |
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| robcresswell | "Would be good to have a test system with say 150 images so these bugs are found before release" Yes, that would be wonderful if someone would provide that. | 20:38 |
| ying_zuo | is it a regression? | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | Yep | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | The bug explanation seems fairly clear IMO | 20:39 |
| ying_zuo | I thought it's just asking for the option to filter | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | No, its asking for an option that existed before, that was introduced in Grizzly | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | https://docs.openstack.org/horizon/latest/configuration/settings.html#images-list-filter-tenants | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | "Just installed the Newton version of the openstack dashboard and when listing images the buttons to filter by category no longer appear." | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | Its when we used the new images panel | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | added, even. | 20:40 |
| ying_zuo | I see | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | I'll leave a comment | 20:42 |
| ying_zuo | thank you | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | Just target it to Next or something, someone can pick it up | 20:42 |
| ying_zuo | last one | 20:43 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1722704 | 20:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1722704 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Image name filter on instance panel doesn't work" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Feilong Wang (flwang) | 20:43 |
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| ying_zuo | flwang asked about this in openstack-horizon | 20:43 |
| ying_zuo | any thoughts about these two issues? | 20:44 |
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| e0ne | need to check #1722704 | 20:46 |
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| e0ne | it should be easy to fix | 20:48 |
| e0ne | let's wait or ask flwang we any help is needed | 20:48 |
| ying_zuo | e0ne: can you give some pointers? | 20:49 |
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| e0ne | ying_zuo: looks like we just need put correct value for 'filters' param and pass it to glanceclient | 20:50 |
| flwang | o/ | 20:51 |
| flwang | sorry, i was in a meeting | 20:51 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: I have not environment by the hand | 20:51 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: I'm not sure its that simple. It looks like we are passing the correct item to glance, but only using the first image by that name | 20:51 |
| flwang | e0ne: unfortunatley, we can't get the correct value :) | 20:51 |
| flwang | robcresswell: exactly | 20:51 |
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| flwang | robcresswell: and even worse | 20:52 |
| flwang | we're not sending the correct value to 'glance' but use the local image list already get based on a call /v2/images?limit=1000 | 20:52 |
| e0ne | :( | 20:52 |
| flwang | it's related to the #1 issue i mentioned in the bug | 20:52 |
| flwang | we're assume there are less than 1000 images the tenant can see and we assume there is no dup-name images | 20:53 |
| flwang | that's alright for most of the cases, | 20:54 |
| flwang | but | 20:54 |
| flwang | the problem is to get the filter works, we have to make the call to glance and nova async | 20:54 |
| flwang | i don't like it because I"m working on the performance improvement of the instance panel | 20:54 |
| flwang | hence I'd like to raise the bug and get feedback from the team | 20:54 |
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| robcresswell | Why don't we just pass the name query straight to Glance? | 20:55 |
| flwang | robcresswell: you can do that, and you still get a list of images | 20:56 |
| flwang | and you still need to chose one, because I don't think the serach_ops of nova list api can support query many image ids? | 20:56 |
| * david-lyle arrives just in time for the end | 20:57 | |
| flwang | david-lyle: we're talking about the one you may interested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1722704 | 20:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1722704 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Image name filter on instance panel doesn't work" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Feilong Wang (flwang) | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | I think it just takes single IDs yeah. | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | Well, thats problematic. One solution would be to display the image ID on hover or something, and then remove the Image Name filter entirely | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | Nova doesnt support filtering by image name, so us working that in sounds awkward. | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | afaik, | 20:58 |
| rdopiera | that would make it hard to copy the id | 20:58 |
| flwang | robcresswell: that's probably the one I'd like to do, though I know somebody don't like it. | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | rdopiera: Not necessarily. The flavor popup is fine to copy from iirc. | 20:58 |
| flwang | horizon is good, but we shouldn't do everything to make it perfect | 20:58 |
| rdopiera | ah, as long as it's a popup and not a tooltip | 20:59 |
| flwang | mapping the id to name is too heavy work for dash | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | https://getbootstrap.com/docs/3.3/javascript/#popovers | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | One of those | 20:59 |
| flwang | we can still keep the image name in the instance detailed page | 21:00 |
| ying_zuo | sorry guys. we are at the top of the hour. please continue the discussion on #openstack-horizon or on the ticket. | 21:00 |
| ying_zuo | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-10-11-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-10-11-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-10-11-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
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| david-lyle | flwang, the image API for get looks to take image name as a filter option | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/image/v2/#show-images | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | are we just not passing in the name value? | 21:02 |
| flwang | david-lyle: yep, but you still get a list, not only one | 21:02 |
| flwang | david-lyle: let's back to horizon channel | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | yup | 21:02 |
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