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* tosky looks around14:00
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toskyanyone for the sahara meeting? I know that tellesnobrega is not likely around14:00
shuyingyaso we have meeting at 14 UTC , right?14:00
toskyyes, new unified time14:00
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toskyoh, well, for the record we can start it, at least I can explain what's going on with the gates14:01
shuyingyalet's begin :)14:02
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tosky#startmeeting sahara14:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 12 14:02:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tosky. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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tosky#topic News/Updates14:03
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shuyingyao/14:03
toskyo/14:03
toskysooo, another bumpy week with the gates14:03
toskyif you didn't follow the story, the short version is: we rolled-back to zuulv2, leaving few gates for zuulv314:04
toskybut there have been other issues (like an issue with ubuntu mirrors, which is failing many jobs since yesterday)14:04
toskyplus the keystone v3 migration impacted the tests for the CLI client14:04
toskya fun time :)14:04
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toskyI'm trying to convert the jobs in native zuul v3 format (you may have seen few reviews coming), still learning some details on the way ansible should be used14:05
toskyalso, few jobs (like the tempest one) requires some work on the QA side14:05
toskythat's basically all I've done in the last week, trying to follow what's going on the infra side and job failures14:06
shuyingyaI don't have knowledge about zuul now, but thanks for your work tosky :) Try to understand what you mean14:07
toskyluckily I had used ansible already14:07
toskyapart from that, I know that Telles is preparing for the Summit and preparing few Queens specs14:09
shuyingyaI am drafting the specs about implementing hbase on vanilla this week.14:09
toskynice!14:09
toskyapart from that, the plan are still (obviously :) what we drafted during the PTG14:11
toskyI guess no other updates, so let's switch to open discussions and if there is nothing else let's close earlier14:12
tosky#topic Open Discussion14:12
shuyingyalooks like we have a good start this cycle14:12
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toskywe don't need to do everything, but completing few relevant goals is good enough. Of course the more, the better!14:13
shuyingyaI don't have any question today :)14:13
toskyok, let's wait few minutes just in case14:14
tellesnobregahey all14:14
toskyoh14:14
toskyhi :)14:14
tellesnobregathanks for having the meeting14:14
shuyingyahi14:14
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tellesnobregajust a quick update from me, I'm working on image gen with CDH 5.9.0, patch is up for review, also for ambari, hopefully we can merge those soon (once we have the gate operating again)14:15
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tellesnobregaalso working on decominssion node spec and plugin outside of sahara core as well14:15
tellesnobregathe second one should be up next week14:15
tellesnobregaas shuyingya said, thanks tosky for the hard work on the gates14:16
tellesnobregaand I think this is all for me :)14:16
toskyas I said on #openstack-infra, the work on the gates right now is an instance of https://imgur.com/gallery/t0XHtgJ14:17
tellesnobregalol14:17
tellesnobregalooks like it for sure14:17
shuyingyaand thanks you again for your work on changing meeting time14:18
tellesnobregashuyingya, np at all14:18
toskythe work-in-progress tempest job (and then we can close) is right now a set of 4 unmerged patch for openstack/tempest which depends on a work-in-progress unmerged patch for zuul jobs14:18
toskyjust to say one :D14:18
tellesnobregasnowball14:19
toskyok, let's restart the "idle timer", 5 minutes of silence and we can close14:20
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tellesnobregatosky, I think we can close it now, no more topics for today14:26
toskyand that's it14:26
toskyyep14:26
toskybye all!14:26
tellesnobregathanks14:26
tosky#endmeeting14:26
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 12 15:01:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
Swamihi15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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haleybhi15:01
mlavallehi15:01
davidshaHi15:01
mlavallenice to be in 'known territory'15:01
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:02
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mlavalleQ-1 milestone is next week15:02
mlavalleplease keep that in mind15:02
mlavalleWe are less than one week away from the summit in Sydney15:03
mlavallea month, that is15:03
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mlavallehaleyb, davidsha: you'll be missed Down Under15:04
davidshamlavalle: :(15:04
mlavalleSwami and I will do all the beer drinking for you :-)15:04
davidsha:P15:04
Swamimlavalle: sure15:04
mlavallealthough we are not beer drinkers15:04
haleybdamn, beer :)15:05
davidshaShould that be logged as an agreed action :P15:05
mlavalleFinally, I made a failed a attempt earlier today to host the drivers meeting at an alternate time15:05
mlavallesome drivers are available at the new time15:05
mlavalleso please stay tuned for further annoucements on this topic15:06
mlavallewe will settle on an alternate time that is better for people in the Europe, Middle East and the US East Coast15:06
* mlavalle felt like a sucker earlier today15:07
mlavalleany other annoucements?15:07
davidshamlavalle: There isn't a drivers meeting later this evening then?15:07
mlavalledavidsha: it might happen15:07
davidshakk15:07
Swamimlavalle: I saw that even last week it was a very short meeting.15:08
mlavalleno last week we had a good meeting15:08
mlavallewhat you saw was armax testing whether we could run a meeting in the Neutron channel15:08
mlavalleok, moving on15:09
Swamimlavalle: Ok now I got it.15:09
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:09
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mlavalleplease go ahead Swami15:09
Swamimlavalle: thanks15:09
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171678215:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1716782 in neutron "DVR multinode job has linuxbridge agent mech driver defined" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:10
SwamiThis is a new bug that was filed and we did not discuss on this.15:10
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Swamihaleyb: you did file this bug.15:11
haleybyes and i have a devstack fix, might just need a push15:11
Swamihaleyb: Do you think that we need to remove the linuxbridge mech driver.15:11
Swamihaleyb: Ok, once you push it in then we can review it.15:11
haleyblet me find the link15:12
mlavalleis that a fix in the devstack repo?15:12
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/503741/15:12
haleyboh, it's already hit devstack master, that's just a pike backport15:12
haleyblet me update the bug, somehow didn't get updated15:12
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Swamihaleyb: ok so we can add backport-potential to it.15:13
Swamiand close this bug.15:13
SwamiThe next in the list is15:13
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171878815:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1718788 in neutron "DVR: Migrate centralized unbound floatingip to the respective host when the port is bound" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:13
SwamiThis patch is still failing gate on merge.15:14
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505324/ patch link15:14
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SwamiIssued a recheck yesterday and still failing with volume tests.15:15
Swamihaleyb: we should probably skip this volume test similar to what we did a year ago.15:15
haleybSwami: did we add a decorator?15:16
Swamihaleyb: yes I think so for one of the volume tests.15:16
SwamiThe next in the list is15:16
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171834515:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1718345 in neutron "ml2_distributed_port_bindings not cleared after migration from DVR" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:17
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508808/15:17
SwamiThis patch is still work in progress. I have to add a functional test to validate the portbindings cleared.15:18
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171640115:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1716401 in neutron "FWaaS: Ip tables rules do not get updated in case of distributed virtual routers (DVR)" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)15:18
Swamimlavalle: Did you get any update from the FWaaS meeting on this issue.15:19
Swamireedip: ping15:19
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mlavalleno I didn't, I was trying to run the drivers meeting15:19
Swamimlavalle: ok I don't see reedip here, he is not responding. I will check back later on this.15:20
mlavalleok15:20
Swamimlavalle: Maybe I will ping Sridark and let him know.15:20
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mlavalleyeah, they have their own channel, #openstack-fwaas15:20
Swamimlavalle: yes will ping them on the fwaas channel.15:21
SwamiThe last one for today is15:21
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171730215:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed]15:21
SwamiStill I am investigating this problem. I could not spend much time on this last week. I will see if I can pay attention to this in the coming week.15:22
haleybSwami: even with the two arping fixed the east-west fip tests still fail.  i added info from the duplicate just now15:22
SwamiAlso I have pushed in a patch for the fullstack testing for DVR.15:22
Swamihaleyb: yes, that's my assumption.15:23
haleybgreat.  i think if we get that fixed and the trunk test the scenario test will be happy :)15:23
mlavalle++15:23
Swamihaleyb: hoping :)15:23
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Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507658/ - full stack test patch15:24
SwamiI discussed this with haleyb and also with ihar. There is some setup issue seen with this patch.15:24
SwamiWhich is clear at this point on why it is failing.15:25
SwamiSo added a simple patch to see if the setup issue is still seen. I have also seen the setup issue in this patch.15:25
haleybSwami: does that require the other agent mode patch?15:26
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510192/15:26
Swamihaleyb: Yes I initially had it all together. Then in order to debug the issue  I had to split it.15:26
SwamiAlso if we have the agent type mode patch as a separate patch that would also help davidsha to write his tests for the dvr_bridge type.15:27
haleybSwami: ahh, we should link them together, either same topic, or just have second depend on first?  does it need it to pass?15:27
Swamihaleyb: Yes I will link it together today. Since the first one was failing, I did not link it.15:28
Swamihaleyb: but will do.15:28
haleybi.e. rebase second to first and gerrit will have them both on right side15:28
Swamihaleyb: yes will address it.15:28
haleybjenkins likes it now, zuul not so much15:28
mlavalle510192?15:29
davidshayup15:29
Swami510192 failed jenkins.15:29
haleybyeah, but zuul doesn't like anything, reminded of an old Life Cereal commercial about Mikey...15:29
mlavalleI just looked at the zuul failures15:29
mlavallenot related to the patch15:29
Swamioops! yes zuul failure is seen not jenkins15:29
haleybSwami: well, it passed jenkins, maybe didn't fix the test?15:30
davidshajenkins has a +1 on 51019215:30
Swamihaleyb: yes the tests are still failing, that is my concern.15:30
mlavallethose zuul failures related to file permissions is the reason they delayed the roll out again this week15:30
SwamiThese two line change is in the host_desc and it should not cause the tests to fail.15:30
Swamimlavalle: back to you. That's all I had for today.15:31
mlavalleok, I don't have any other bugs this week15:31
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mlavalleany other bugs we should discuss from the team this week15:31
mlavalle?15:31
mlavalle#topic Openflow DVR15:33
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mlavalledavidsha: you are up15:33
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davidshaThanks, This week I've been focused on neutron-classifier, but I've been working on testing some north south issues I've noticed.15:34
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Swamisorry just got dropped.15:35
mlavalleany thing elase you want to share with the team15:35
mlavalle?15:35
davidshaThe way openflow dvr does N/S traffic is by copying the source MAC from br-ex however im having an issue with it responding15:35
davidshaSorry, I'm rewriting the line once or twice each time15:36
Swamidavidsha: When you say N/S is it for floatingIP or for SNAT15:36
davidshaI'm investigating this issue at the mement, and hoping to have it resolved by the next PS15:36
davidshaFloating IP15:37
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Swamidavidsha: thanks15:37
mlavalleis openflow dvr a name you like?15:37
sean-k-mooneySNAT could be added later but davids current patches are intended to replace teh dvr on the compute nodes only15:37
davidshamlavalle: It's not quite dvr_kickass but it's do ;)15:38
Swamimlavalle: dragonflow is also openflow based dvr.15:38
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davidshait'll*15:38
sean-k-mooneySwami: so is odl and ovn15:38
sean-k-mooneybut in the context of the l3 agent i think it makes sense15:38
mlavalleyeah15:38
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Swamiopenflow is too generic, since everyone is using it.15:39
Swamieven the current dvr uses openflow along with namespaces.15:40
sean-k-mooneySwami: do you have another suggestion15:40
davidshadvr_bridge is probably best then15:40
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davidshaAs it uses OpenFlow Bridges in place of network namespaces15:40
sean-k-mooneydavidsha: that was the original name but it could be confused with linux bridge15:41
davidshaTrue.15:41
Swamisean-k-mooney: no I don't have anything right now, but you can call it no_namespace_dvr15:41
sean-k-mooneyif nameing is the main issue holding this work back though i think we are getting to a good place with this work15:42
davidshaarmax did suggest dvr_kickass if we really are stuck.15:43
davidshaBut are there any questions?15:43
mlavalleok, for the purposes of naming the topic in this meeting, will use dvr_kickass15:43
SwamiI like dvr_bridge15:44
mlavalleok, let's revisit next week15:44
mlavalleanything else, davidsha?15:45
davidsha+115:45
davidshaNot unless there are questions15:45
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davidshabut I don't think there are?15:45
Swaminothing else from me.15:45
mlavalle#topic Multiple port bindings15:45
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mlavalleso on my side I spent time reviewing the currently proposed implementation15:46
mlavalle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414251/15:46
mlavalleI have decided to keep the API in the service plugin proposed there15:46
mlavallebut don't worry, sean-k-mooney15:47
mlavalleI will implement this in ML2 using callbacks15:47
mlavallethat was the approach that was followed with segments15:47
sean-k-mooneyplaceing it in a service plugin may allow you to use it as a mixin/callback from a monolitic plugin if not useing ml215:47
mlavallewhich also have a service plugin for the API15:47
mlavalleexactly, I think with this approach we get the best of both worlds15:48
mlavalleI'll keep the service plugin15:48
sean-k-mooney+115:48
mlavalle\and implement the callbacks in ML215:48
mlavalleand then we live the door open for other plugins15:49
sean-k-mooneyso from my side i have started to look at the code to determin how to pass the new bindings to the destination node and how to cater for mixed old+new computes.15:50
mlavalleso expect to see over the next few days a dependent patch on the current one with the callbacks in ML215:50
sean-k-mooneyi will update the spec with what i am discovering and relect the ml2-> service plugin change also15:51
mlavallefrom the point of view of the nova spec, you assume ml2 implementation15:51
mlavallecan ^^^15:51
sean-k-mooneyyes well form nova ml2 vs core plugin should not be visable but ml2 is better understood15:52
mlavalleyeap15:52
mlavalleI think our focus over the next few days is to get the nova spec approved15:53
sean-k-mooneyyes i will try and respond to any feedback as it comes in15:53
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mlavalleright now it is failing Jenkins15:54
sean-k-mooneyand passing zuul v315:54
mlavalleLOL15:54
sean-k-mooneythere were dependcy issue in the jenkins runs15:54
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sean-k-mooneyill be updating the spec later today so ill hold of on rechecking for now15:55
mlavalleok15:55
mlavallesounds good15:55
mlavalleanything else on this topic?15:56
sean-k-mooneyno not for this week.15:57
mlavalleThanks for the update15:57
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:57
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mlavalleany other topic we should discuss in 3 minutes?15:58
mlavalle215:58
davidshaI have nothing.15:58
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SwamiI have nothing15:58
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mlavalleok team, thanks for attending15:58
mlavallesee you next week15:59
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* mlavalle waves back at cdent, smiling15:59
* edleafe waves too15:59
mlavalle#endmeeting15:59
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"15:59
davidshaThanks, cya!15:59
openstackMeeting ended Thu Oct 12 15:59:37 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:59
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-10-12-15.01.html15:59
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-10-12-15.01.txt15:59
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-10-12-15.01.log.html15:59
Swamibye15:59
* mlavalle also waves at edleafe15:59
cdent#startmeeting api-sig16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 12 16:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-sig)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'api_sig'16:00
elmikoo/16:00
cdent#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda16:00
edleafe\o16:00
cdent#chair elmiko edleafe16:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko16:00
cdentanyone else around for api-sig meeting?16:00
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cdent#topic old biz and actions16:01
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cdent#link minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-10-05-16.00.html16:01
cdentI was supposed to follow up on the forum submission comments16:01
cdent#link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/5216:01
cdentI didn’t but I can report that it has been approved now, so I’m not clear what the next step is16:02
edleafecelebrate?16:02
* cdent does a little dance16:02
edleafeI know that I told cdent, but I'll be at Sydney for the forum16:03
elmikonice!16:03
edleafes/at/in16:03
elmikoi would love to be there, but timing is bad for me16:03
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cdentMonty had an action to update the latest bits of his noval, but that’s post zuul v3 rollout madness, and that madness continues (with help from unrelated madness). So still waiting16:03
cdentAnd I had an action to think more about the api guidelines cheat sheet, which I did, but without any output16:04
cdent#topic new biz16:05
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cdentSome of us had email from Flanders about maybe doing a video16:05
cdentI suggested we move the conversation to the openstack-sigs mailing list16:06
elmikowas just about to mention the alternate meeting too16:06
cdentyeah, also in those messages was an idea to have a apac-friendly meeting time16:06
cdentthe trend these days is to instead of doing that use email more often16:06
cdentbut if there are people who need/want a meeting it should just happen16:07
edleafeasync > sleepy sync16:07
elmikoimo, let's make some noise on the sig list and if there are people committed to attending an apac meeting then we should plan for it16:07
cdentwith regards to the video: I’m a bad person to ask. I’m incapable of using video for anything educational16:07
cdentelmiko++16:07
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cdent#action elmiko to make noise on openstack-sig list about meetings needs16:07
edleafestill catching up on email - video showing... what?16:08
elmikoi _could_ do a video, but not sure what the target we want is. are we just looking for a 5 minute "lightning talk" about the sig and how to get involved?16:08
cdentThe idea is that there is a place at summit where lightning talks will be happening, in a sort of studio16:08
cdentso the video is created there16:08
elmikoand ack cdent, i'll make some noise16:09
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elmikoahhh, i didn't catch that part16:09
cdentedleafe: the video would be sort of outreach to sdks, I think16:09
edleafeyou mean like the videos they did at PTG?16:09
cdentI think more like barcelona: a small stage, with an audience, but equally for video as audience16:10
edleafeah, ok16:10
elmikoguess it's up to one of you two then16:10
cdentbut I’m not entirely sure, I hope it gets cleared up on the os-sigs list when the thread goes there (if it does)16:10
edleafeI'm not shy about doing it16:12
edleafeJust have no idea what I'd be doing :)16:12
edleafe(as usual)16:12
cdentdamn, I type too slowly16:12
cdent#action edleafe will find out what the video is and take it from there as necessary16:12
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edleafekewl16:13
cdent#topic open mic16:13
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cdentanything?16:13
elmikonothing here16:14
edleafe<crickets>16:14
cdent#topic guidelines16:14
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cdent#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z16:14
cdentthis needs a fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508242/16:15
elmiko+1 was just about to link XD16:15
cdentdmitry’s comment should have been a -1?16:15
elmikoprossibly, but we're too nice16:16
edleafeyeah, I'm on it16:16
edleafegot distracted with the nova stuff I'm doing16:16
cdentthe devil you say16:16
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edleafeI -W'd it16:16
cdentI think everything else guideline was is same as last week.16:16
cdentany other comments on guidelines?16:16
cdent#topic bug review16:17
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cdent#link bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg16:17
cdentno changes that I can discern16:17
cdentour armies are small16:17
elmikoagreed16:18
cdent#topic weekly newsletter16:18
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cdent#link newsletter https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter16:18
cdentfeels like my turn?16:18
elmikoshould be easy today16:18
* cdent nods16:19
edleafeeasy-peasy16:19
cdentk, I’ll ping when I need a review16:20
cdentany one having anything else they’d like to share before we call it?16:20
elmikonothing from me16:20
edleafenope16:20
cdentcool, thanks for being around16:20
cdent#endmeeting16:20
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Oct 12 16:20:56 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:20
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elmikothanks o/16:21
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