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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 7 14:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
| shuyingya | o/ | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | I believe there will be only us three today | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremy emailed me saying he couldn't make it | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | so lets start | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updated | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updated (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| tosky | can I quote my news update from the last meeting? :D | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | yeah | 14:02 |
| shuyingya | :) | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm almost finished with the sahara side of decommission of specific node | 14:03 |
| tosky | working on internal testing, and keeping an eye on zuul changes; I'm waiting for two changes to land and than we can have native jobs in sahara-tests at least | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, about your comment, I'm adding a validation step, so we can't add more instances than the difference from the current count and the new count | 14:03 |
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| tellesnobrega | does that make sense to you? | 14:03 |
| shuyingya | I'm working on vanilla upgrade. most of time spend on image building because of Chinese network block. :( | 14:04 |
| shuyingya | of course. That would be great | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | awesome | 14:04 |
| tosky | shuyingya: did you setup a reverse caching proxy? | 14:04 |
| shuyingya | of course. but Chinese can't access google because of gov block | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, is there anything we can do to speed up? | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | like, creating the image and making it available to you? | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | so I have to download some package through vpn | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | I am almost finished it now:) | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, good to hear | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | let me know if you need help | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | sure | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | I need to start working on dashboard part of the decommission of specific node | 14:07 |
| shuyingya | sounds good. | 14:08 |
| shuyingya | I have a question. do you know how to upload the package ( oozie binary package and hadoop native libs) to tarball.openstack.org? | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | hmm, tosky may know it | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | I actually don't | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | but I can ask around | 14:10 |
| shuyingya | looks like we try to avoid use the old mirantis-file.com | 14:10 |
| shuyingya | thanks :) tellesnobrega | 14:10 |
| shuyingya | tosky, if you know, please let me know | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | yeah, we should use tarballs | 14:10 |
| tosky | I should almost know, but I didn't want to change the jobs (there is oozie to upload, yes) because there is a pending change in the way zuulv3 manages the upload | 14:11 |
| tosky | but if it is urgent, next week (close to Christmas, and after New Year) I can try to patch something with the current process | 14:12 |
| shuyingya | I can wait | 14:12 |
| shuyingya | I can use my local server for testing | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | great | 14:13 |
| shuyingya | but if we merge the vanilla-2.8.2 image build patch, we have to upload it. | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | #action tellesnobrega to send email to figure out how to upload files to tarballs.openstack.org | 14:14 |
| shuyingya | :) | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, you will see an email going around | 14:14 |
| tosky | ack, if everyone agrees, can I have half of January as deadline for that? (just before Q-3) | 14:14 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, for what specifically? sending the files to tarballs? | 14:15 |
| tosky | the way to send stuff there is basically a job; you just need to make sure that the build process on sahara-extra generates the artifact, and fix the job | 14:15 |
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| tosky | tellesnobrega: for fixing the job which uploads stuff on tarballs from sahara-extra | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | that is fine | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | :) | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | anymore news? | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Queens 2 | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens 2 (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:18 | |
| tellesnobrega | today I'm cutting q2, lets try to get as much stuff in as we can today, I will try to send a new patch on decommission after the meeting so you both can review | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | I sent a patch for spark 2.2.0 | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | and storm 1.1.1 (image-generation only) | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | I believe those are cool to merge | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | I will review it later :) | 14:20 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:20 |
| shuyingya | 7 December is the deadline to cut Q2? | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 14:21 |
| shuyingya | what is Membership Freeze? | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | I believe it is for new projects to be affiliated under openstack umbrella | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | under the current release | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | rewording, deadline for projects to have at least 1 release in order to participate on the release | 14:23 |
| shuyingya | got it :) | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | I believe we can have a pretty good q2 release | 14:24 |
| shuyingya | yes, you guys pay a lot of effort on it. | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | all of us | 14:25 |
| shuyingya | >V< | 14:25 |
| shuyingya | haha | 14:25 |
| tosky | yep, all :) | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, lets move on | 14:26 |
| shuyingya | My leader asks me to apply dublin PTG travel support today, have you guys already applied it? | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, we (from Red Hat) can't really apply, but I will be there | 14:27 |
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| tellesnobrega | company policy | 14:28 |
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| shuyingya | so bad :( | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | it actually isn't, the idea is, we have a big company to pay for our trip, so lets not get money from people who really needs the support | 14:29 |
| shuyingya | I misunderstood your meaning :) | 14:31 |
| tellesnobrega | :) | 14:31 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:31 |
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| tellesnobrega | lets move to our last topic of the day | 14:31 |
| tellesnobrega | I have a topic, I would like to know if we all agree on adding shuyingya to the core team | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | he has shown a great knowledge of the code base, does great reviews and is always participating as much as possible | 14:32 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, shuyingya ^ | 14:33 |
| shuyingya | I have a good news to share with you that my team will get first POC in a university:) | 14:33 |
| tellesnobrega | that is awesome, congrats shuyingya :) | 14:34 |
| tosky | oh, I agree with adding shuyingya as core | 14:34 |
| shuyingya | thanks, tellesnobrega. | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, you deserve it. Have deserved for a while now, and being a advocate for Sahara in China makes you deserve a lot more | 14:35 |
| shuyingya | I'm so excited to be in core team. I will try my best to make sahara more stable and prosperous | 14:36 |
| shuyingya | :) | 14:36 |
| tellesnobrega | that is great to hear | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | I will send out the email today, and start working on making you core, if no one objects (which I doubt will happen | 14:37 |
| shuyingya | thanks :) tellesnobrega tosky | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | I guess that closes all my topics | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | does anyone have anything else to discuss | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | ? | 14:38 |
| shuyingya | nothing from my side | 14:39 |
| tosky | nothing from me; I will be definitely more chatty when the job status becomes clean | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | Just to let you all know, jeremy is going to working on the saharaclient part of APIv2 | 14:40 |
| tosky | good news | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | we all hoping you get it done :) | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | ok guys, lets close for today and we get 20 minutes back | 14:41 |
| shuyingya | bye | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 14:41 |
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| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 7 14:42:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-12-07-14.00.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-12-07-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-12-07-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 7 15:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| Swami | hi | 15:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | hey guys | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | nice to see you | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| mlavalle | First announcement is that this week we are cutting Q-2 | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Please note that our next milestone will be the week of January 22 - 26 | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | also a reminder of the upcoming PTG in Dublin | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Remember to take advantage of the special hotel rate for the conference attendees. Croke Park hotel about $185 US | 15:05 |
| david_chou | hi, my name is David Chou from Intel, I will take over the UserSpace DVR development work from David Shaughnessy after the transition is complete. | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | that includes taxes and breakfast | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | david_chou: welcome to the team | 15:06 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I don't think I will be attending the PTG this time. | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | what city are you at? | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | david_chou ^^^^ | 15:06 |
| david_chou | Thanks, look forwarding to work with all of you. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | Swami: you will be missed | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | any other announcements? | 15:07 |
| david_chou | I am located in Santa Clara California, USA | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | david_chou: a cool, we are not disrupting you sleep time | 15:08 |
| Swami | david_chou: good you are close to me. | 15:08 |
| Swami | mlavalle: Yes winter timing is not so good at 7a.m - 8a.m PST, clashes with the school timing. | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's dive in | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:09 | |
| mlavalle | Swami: all yours | 15:09 |
| Swami | Thanks mlavalle | 15:09 |
| Swami | Sorry I was not able to work much on the bugs last week, since I had some higher priority work downstream. | 15:09 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717302 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] | 15:10 |
| Swami | mlavalle: haleyb: I did not go further on this bug beyond what I found out last week. I initially suspected the float-snat chain, so I reshuffled the order, still the issue persists. | 15:11 |
| Swami | I am running out of ideas on this bug. | 15:11 |
| Swami | haleyb: did you get a chance to take a look at the logs in the bug report. | 15:11 |
| haleyb | Swami: no, i have been busy downstream as well, it's in my backlog | 15:11 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I will try to see if I can spend some time this week on this. | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:12 |
| Swami | Nothing much to update on this since I have all the logs and symptoms already captured. | 15:13 |
| Swami | There was one new bug that was filed this week. | 15:13 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1736068 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1736068 in neutron "DVR lost centralized floating ip when the ha state switched." [High,In progress] - Assigned to sunzuohua (zuohuasun) | 15:13 |
| Swami | There is a patch up for review. | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/525842/ | 15:14 |
| Swami | It is because of the HA state check at the wrong place. | 15:14 |
| Swami | The patch looks good, but missing the test case, so I will monitor the patch. | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1716401 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1716401 in neutron "FWaaS: Ip tables rules do not get updated in case of distributed virtual routers (DVR)" [Undecided,New] | 15:15 |
| Swami | mlavalle: did you get any feedback from the FWaaS team on this bug. | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | no, I didn't | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | hang on | 15:16 |
| Swami | mlavalle: ok | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | I just pinged Sridar in the FWaaS room | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | let's see if he joins | 15:17 |
| Swami | mlavalle: it is too early | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | Swami: but they had their meeting during the previous slot | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | he might be around | 15:17 |
| Swami | mlavalle: Ok got it. | 15:17 |
| Swami | did I loose the connection | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | no | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | you are still here | 15:18 |
| Swami | Since we discussed the other bugs last week, I don't have anything else to discuss or update. | 15:19 |
| Swami | mlavalle: back to you | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | Swami: what is the questions to Sridar about the FWaaS bug? | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | ok let's move on | 15:21 |
| Swami | mlavalle: Yes based on the current bug raised, and with the latest DVR fip changes, it is an expected behavior, but wanted to see where exactly this issue arises. | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | cool | 15:21 |
| haleyb | Swami: i am confused after reading that bug as that REJECT rule isn't added by neutron | 15:21 |
| haleyb | i'll just comment in the bug | 15:22 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | Thanks haleyb | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | On my side we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1706750 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1706750 in neutron "FlushError for automatic IPAllocations when subnet create is retried" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | That is being worked by Ihar. Doesn't seem to have changed over the past few days | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: do you have any busg you want to bring up | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:24 |
| haleyb | i might have one new one | 15:24 |
| haleyb | the review is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524406/ | 15:25 |
| haleyb | there is a bug somewhere | 15:25 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1735724 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1735724 in neutron "Metadata iptables rules never inserted upon exception on router creation" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:25 |
| haleyb | it's actually getting into the refactor davidsha was going to work on in the metadata code, it needs some tweaking | 15:26 |
| haleyb | and fixing that uncovered yet another l3-agent init issue | 15:26 |
| haleyb | i need to file a bug for that, so it's keeping me busy | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | ok, do you need any help? | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | other than reviews I guess | 15:28 |
| haleyb | i should have time to get the reviews out or updated, my critical downstream is winding down, thanks :) | 15:29 |
| * haleyb realized he just jynxed himself | 15:29 | |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:30 |
| * mlavalle was going to swicth the topic to kick ass DVR, but david_chou is not around anymore | 15:31 | |
| mlavalle | Maybe he just came to announce himself | 15:31 |
| davidsha | There was some connection problems with irc, might have disconnected him, they git me until just a few mins ago | 15:31 |
| davidsha | got me* | 15:32 |
| davidsha | Hello btw! | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | #topic Kick ass DVR | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kick ass DVR (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:32 | |
| mlavalle | any updates on your part davidsha? | 15:32 |
| Swami | I need to drop off, need to drop my kid at school. | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | thanks for attending Swami :-) | 15:33 |
| davidsha | Working on the rebase but tomorrow is the last day I can, I'll either submit a patch if I think there is enough (I got held up on OpenFlowManager) or I'll email to david_chou to take over. | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | davidsha: thanks for all your efforts. You will be missed | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | and hopefully haleyb and I will get to have a beer with you in Dublin | 15:34 |
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| davidsha | Np! It was fun! I'll see you at the PTG hopefully! | 15:34 |
| haleyb | yes, that's what we're going for, right? | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | although haleyb really hates beer | 15:35 |
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| haleyb | devil incarnate | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | he only drinks it to hang out with us | 15:35 |
| davidsha | Guiness isn't a beer right? | 15:35 |
| haleyb | it's a meal? | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 15:35 |
| davidsha | It has enough calories and Iron to be considered one, yes. | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: and it has Toucan meat in it, right? | 15:36 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: Not quite I'm afraid ;P | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | #topic Port forwarding | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Port forwarding (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:37 | |
| otcnsw2 | This David Chou, I just disconnected from IRC due to network issue. now Iam back from another system. | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | #undo | 15:38 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Port forwarding | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | otcnsw2: do you have any updates to share with the team? | 15:38 |
| otcnsw2 | No. | 15:39 |
| davidsha | I just gave a quick update on the handover. | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | otcnsw2: all right. I think davidsha will be in contact with you over the next few days to complete the transition | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | and as we said before, otcnsw2, we are delighted to have you join the team | 15:39 |
| otcnsw2 | Yes, got it. | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | welcome again! | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | you have big shoes to fill :-) | 15:40 |
| davidsha | I'm all feet apparently! | 15:40 |
| otcnsw2 | I will try. | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | #topic Port forwarding | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | Right before the Sydney summit, I brought this spec up during this meeting: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470596 | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | I think the submitters need other pairs of eyes besides mine to help them move it forward | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | haleyb, davidsha if you have time, please take a look | 15:42 |
| davidsha | Will do! | 15:42 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: ack | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:43 |
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| mlavalle | Do we have other topics we should discuss today? | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | ok team, thanks for joining | 15:45 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | we'll do it all over again next Thursday | 15:45 |
| otcnsw2 | Thanks! | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 15:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 7 15:45:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-12-07-15.00.html | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-12-07-15.00.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-12-07-15.00.log.html | 15:45 |
| davidsha | Actually, just quickly, if everyone here is in the US timezone, do ye want to move the meeting time? | 15:46 |
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| gildub | 587854 | 16:00 |
| gildub | ops | 16:01 |
| cdent | edleafe, dtantsur, around? | 16:01 |
| dtantsur | I am | 16:01 |
| cdent | #startmeeting api-sig | 16:01 |
| edleafe | heh, just going to start if you weren't around | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 7 16:01:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 16:01 |
| cdent | #chair edleafe elmiko dtantsur | 16:01 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: elmiko | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:01 |
| cdent | hi gildub | 16:01 |
| gildub | cdent, hi | 16:01 |
| cdent | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| cdent | #topic old biz | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "old biz (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:02 | |
| cdent | #link last meeting’s minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-11-30-16.01.html | 16:02 |
| cdent | main action item was to get dtantsur fixed up on gerrit, that’s been done | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 16:03 |
| cdent | #topic new biz | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new biz (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:04 | |
| cdent | api schema is the topic from the agenda, which I believe gildub raised. I assume you’ve seen the comments that dtantsur and I left on the stub review | 16:04 |
| cdent | #link api schema review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524467/ | 16:05 |
| gildub | Yes I did. I haven't had time to respond, more likely tomorrow | 16:06 |
| cdent | What would you like to raise here today? | 16:06 |
| edleafe | gildub: my initial reaction was that this was feeling SOAPy | 16:06 |
| edleafe | gildub: is the goal to have machine-discoverable API calls? | 16:06 |
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| gildub | Well its just a place holder as a starting point, as we need guidelines but the core content likely to be in a specs file, | 16:08 |
| gildub | and machine-discoverable API could be one use case | 16:09 |
| edleafe | So would these schema be generated, or hand-crafted? | 16:11 |
| cdent | My sense is that we probably need some kind of discussion, likely on the mailing list, about the use cases and potential solutions to those use cases. At this stage it still feels a bit too vague to write a guideline as it’s not clear what is being guided. | 16:11 |
| edleafe | Defining the need that would be satisfied is a good first step | 16:12 |
| gildub | edleafe, the API schema already exist, in the form of RST file, used by the documentation generation | 16:12 |
| gildub | cdent, I have tried to have to have that discussion for month in the ML, now isn't a good time to discuss it? | 16:12 |
| cdent | gildub: now is fine too, but there aren’t many people here, just 4 of us | 16:13 |
| gildub | The need is to have a different format for the API schema that already exist in RST format, I have the need, and althouth we don't have lots of consumer present (I any please speak up) | 16:13 |
| cdent | I would guess that if you aren’t get any response on the mailing list then there’s little interest | 16:13 |
| cdent | or no time for people to have interest | 16:14 |
| mugsie | gildub: I did an initial investigation of doing a YAML publish from what we have now | 16:14 |
| cdent | (5) | 16:14 |
| mugsie | I think it may be possible | 16:14 |
| mugsie | but I haven't had a huge amout of time over the last few weeks | 16:14 |
| gildub | cdent, I know that other people are interested, AT&T folks who did the Keynote presentation a Sydney summit are using automation for handling their SDKs | 16:15 |
| mugsie | I am *very* reluctant to change how we currently generate the api-ref | 16:15 |
| gildub | mugsie, great, that's good news :) | 16:15 |
| cdent | gildub: yes, but at&t doesn’t show up on the developer list nor in regular contributions as much as maybe they could. until they do, little is going to happen. | 16:16 |
| mugsie | it took long enought to get it in use, I think changing is will just mean that it will be ignored | 16:16 |
| cdent | mugsie: yeah, sad but true. | 16:16 |
| gildub | mugsie, I understand, that's fair enough, but I suppose that's okay, just use the other way around then? | 16:16 |
| edleafe | gildub: agree with cdent. If there is an interest, then they need to show up to help with the design and eventual work | 16:16 |
| cdent | assuming that some automatic extraction to yaml could happen, what would then be done with it? | 16:16 |
| gildub | cdent, edleafe, when I look at google cloud API, I feel like running away and hide behind a stone!!! | 16:17 |
| edleafe | gildub: :) | 16:18 |
| cdent | I feel like running away and hiding behind a stone pretty much all the time | 16:18 |
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| dtantsur | ++ | 16:19 |
| cdent | Should we try to enumerate some of the use cases here, or if we can’t do that shall we move on? | 16:20 |
| edleafe | I would prefer to see them in the spec | 16:20 |
| gildub | cdent, edleafe, having the API schema being more consumable opens possibilities, and obviously beside this topics we did get much traction from SDKs consumers on any topics, so that doesn't prove anything, I have the need for this and I have people behind me supporting it | 16:21 |
| gildub | cdent, edleafe, ^ s/we did get/we didn't get/ | 16:21 |
| cdent | given the latency involved in changing the api-ref, I think a productive avenue of exploration would be seeing if there is a way to formalize/structure the extraction of some machine readable from api-ref as it is currently formed. I know you do this already gildub, but I’m not clear to what extent it requires human involvement or tweaking? | 16:23 |
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| gildub | mugsie, can you help clarify this ^ | 16:23 |
| cdent | gildub, mugsie is that something the two of you can continue to explore, as time allows? | 16:23 |
| mugsie | From what I can tell, we have the entire API in a tree structure in sphinx already when we publish. I think we could take that and write a sphinx publisher that outputs it to yaml / json / $FOOLANG | 16:24 |
| mugsie | cdent: yeap, I will comment on the review with details | 16:24 |
| cdent | alright, in that case, perhaps we should move on? | 16:25 |
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| cdent | #action mugsie to explain api-ref automation potential | 16:25 |
| cdent | any other new biz? | 16:25 |
| gildub | Fantastic, thank you! | 16:25 |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:26 | |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:26 |
| cdent | only recent activity is gildub’s new review, discussed above: | 16:27 |
| cdent | #link schema stub https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524467/ | 16:27 |
| cdent | everything else is in the same state as last week | 16:27 |
| cdent | anyone have anything to say about guidelines? | 16:27 |
| edleafe | not I | 16:27 |
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| * dtantsur is busy with OMG URGENT stuff, so he cannot get to writing a microversions guideline he promised | 16:28 | |
| cdent | noted | 16:28 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:28 |
| cdent | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:28 | |
| cdent | no new bugs | 16:29 |
| gildub | I wonder about discover-ability | 16:29 |
| gildub | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/discoverability.html | 16:29 |
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| gildub | how to progress on this one, doesn't seem like there is anything in the PRs | 16:30 |
| gildub | cdent, sorry I missed the boat! | 16:30 |
| cdent | gildub: is okay. there is a pending review for discoverability: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459405/ | 16:30 |
| cdent | that’s part of a stack of things that mordred is working on for both service and version discovery | 16:31 |
| gildub | cdent, true but this is more about version and the discovery real topic is not touched: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459405/28/guidelines/discoverability.rst | 16:32 |
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| gildub | cdent, not *really* touched ;) | 16:32 |
| cdent | gildub: do none of these address your concerns? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/api-wg+owner:%22Monty+Taylor+%253Cmordred%2540inaugust.com%253E%22 what’s missing? | 16:33 |
| gildub | cdent, not on how to discover an API consistently, did I miss something? I guess that's a *big* and *old* topic which requires *more* discussion | 16:35 |
| gildub | cdent, I know this has been evoked before in PTGs | 16:35 |
| cdent | gildub: I’m not sure what you mean in this case by “discover an API”? | 16:36 |
| gildub | cdent, what the guideline document says: "This topic document serves to provide guidance on how to have a public REST API expose the URIs and resources to end users in a machine-readable way" | 16:38 |
| cdent | gildub: if there’s something missing from that stack of stuff, and it is not covered by the schema concept, please feel free to either make a stub guideline explaining what it is, or make a bug | 16:38 |
| cdent | gildub: yeah, and the service catalog and the root version document provide the first and second entry points to that. are you after the third? | 16:39 |
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| cdent | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:41 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:41 |
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| cdent | we were going to make dtantsur do this, but I reckon since he’s OMG URGENT that might be unfair | 16:41 |
| gildub | cdent, I suppose I'm after the overall guidance and also the 3rd, I'll add comment to the PR | 16:41 |
| dtantsur | cdent: yep, and I have to run soon after.. | 16:41 |
| cdent | edleafe: you wanna, or is it on me? | 16:41 |
| edleafe | elmiko's not here, so I volunteer him :) | 16:42 |
| dtantsur | lol, fair | 16:42 |
| edleafe | I think you did last week, so I guess I'll do it | 16:42 |
| cdent | thanks edleafe, I’ll be around for a proof | 16:43 |
| edleafe | ok, I'm finishing up something, so it'll be a few minutes | 16:43 |
| cdent | shall we close it up then? thanks for coming gildub, I feel like we weren’t really able to address your concerns, but I hope it gets some brain cells moving in more people. | 16:44 |
| gildub | cdent, thanks, well we are progressing since we are discussing it, I guess :D) | 16:45 |
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| gildub | cdent, oh by the way what about adding another meeting session? It's 3:45 am down under right now! | 16:45 |
| cdent | gildub: I was waiting to see if there was more response to the mailing list thread that you and elmko were participating in and there’s not been | 16:46 |
| gildub | cdent, and I woke up a bit by accident, I was like "good timing, the API SIG is now!" | 16:46 |
| edleafe | gildub: :) | 16:46 |
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| cdent | I think the inevitable outcome is simply this: If we want to be inclusive we need to use email more and if we’re not getting participation in email, then that’s a signal. | 16:46 |
| gildub | cdent, makes sense | 16:47 |
| edleafe | gildub: cdent: maybe try a meeting at 2200 UTC? | 16:47 |
| gildub | cdent, but I usually don't get much traction on emails, maybe it's just me :( | 16:47 |
| edleafe | cdent: that's too late for you, but I could make it | 16:48 |
| cdent | If people do want to try another meeting, that’s fine with me, but it’s unlikely I’ll show up, which is fine. | 16:48 |
| edleafe | gildub: would 2200UTC work for aussies? | 16:49 |
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| gildub | cdent, better for me, then I can push *hard* the machine readable features | 16:49 |
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| cdent | :) | 16:49 |
| gildub | edleafe, yes | 16:49 |
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| edleafe | #action edleafe to investigate open meeting times at 2200UTC | 16:50 |
| edleafe | I'll see what I can do | 16:50 |
| gildub | edleafe, thanks | 16:50 |
| dtantsur | 23:00 is a bit brutal for me, but I guess we can alternate :) | 16:50 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: I was thinking in addition to this time | 16:51 |
| edleafe | just to see if there is interest | 16:51 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 16:51 |
| cdent | seems reasonable | 16:52 |
| gildub | dtantsur, sorry the only other option is another meeting but I'm not sure how we reconcile the two meeting, some project have that to be able to cover the planet TZs | 16:52 |
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| dtantsur | yeah, we had two meeting in ironic. did not work well, but milage may vary | 16:53 |
| gildub | Seems there are not that many people involved in Asia/Pacific... | 16:53 |
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| edleafe | gildub: well, if we get enough APAC interest, we may be able to get a core out of it to run that meeting | 16:54 |
| gildub | edleafe, ok, let's see | 16:54 |
| edleafe | ok, are we done? | 16:55 |
| cdent | On that note optimism, let’s close. Thanks everyone for coming | 16:55 |
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| gildub | cdent, edleafe, dtantsur, mugsie, thank you for your time & help | 16:55 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 7 16:55:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-12-07-16.01.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-12-07-16.01.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-12-07-16.01.log.html | 16:55 |
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| tbachman | As an FYI — GBP IRC meeting is pushed 30 minutes | 18:00 |
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| annakk | hello! | 18:01 |
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| tbachman | annakk: hi! | 18:10 |
| annakk | tbachman: hi, looks like no meeting? | 18:11 |
| tbachman | hi annakk! Sumit sent an email not too long ago. Just pushed 30 mins | 18:11 |
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| tbachman | so, half-past | 18:11 |
| annakk | oh, thanks! didn't notice | 18:12 |
| tbachman | np! | 18:12 |
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| tbachman | rkukura: hi! | 18:31 |
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| tbachman | brb | 18:31 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry i am late | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:34 |
| tbachman | np! | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: hi | 18:34 |
| annakk | hi! | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 7 18:34:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:34 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:35 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mainly wanted to provide an update on the Pike sync work, and also discuss the outstanding patches | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets start with rkukura’s patch | 18:35 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526158/ | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for doing this, it looked good to me | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | was just waiting for zuul to report | 18:36 |
| rkukura | I will probably have a minor update | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will vote on it shortly | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah good to know | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this patches hopefully fixes some of the long standing issues we have had with running UTs independently | 18:37 |
| rkukura | The back-port to newton is non-trivial, and it turned up that all_models.py was not importing some models used for testing | 18:37 |
| rkukura | I’d like to get to where any combination of tests passes on all the active branches | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that later was my thought as well, i wanted to check if it indeed does import everything | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: whats the issue with newton? | 18:37 |
| rkukura | one was that the apic_mapping driver didn’t exist on newer branches, and needed fixing | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah, painful | 18:38 |
| rkukura | that one is easy | 18:38 |
| rkukura | but my attempted back-port turned up some missing DB table type errors again, so that got me tracking down what I might have missed first time | 18:39 |
| rkukura | I’ve been the entire set of UTs, and each UT module individually, but should also be testing each directory of UTs | 18:39 |
| rkukura | s/been/been testing/ | 18:40 |
| rkukura | so I hope to have working patches for all three branches today | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice, been on that path of testing those combinations, its painful | 18:40 |
| rkukura | takes time :( | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: actually i had a patch earlier where i was trying to eliminate the calls to create_tables | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but it kept failing | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the reason was that i was not importing everytning | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (after looking at your patch) | 18:42 |
| rkukura | could be | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had attempted this about a year back, i obviously gave up! | 18:42 |
| rkukura | at least the (internal) AIM stuff and the NFP stuff are separate | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so thanks for doing this | 18:42 |
| rkukura | no problem, but I do need to get back to the AIM validation/repair work | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:43 |
| annakk | +1 thanks, it will help! | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the pike sync | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514864/ | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the above patch, i will fix the pep8 error | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it creepd in after rebase | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: i responded to your comment, and incorporated rkukura’s comment which came later | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so hopefully once i uploaded the pep8 fix you guys can take a quick look again | 18:44 |
| rkukura | will do | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding the sync patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518183/ | 18:44 |
| annakk | yes, you're right, since subnet pools might have added in current session, its important to keep the session | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am down to 75 failures | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so couple of things to discuss about that | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most of the failures i am seeing now pass locally | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are a couple of tests which fail locally as well | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and my current theory is that those tests are not cleaning up if they fail | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and hence configuration gets carried over | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and causes other tests to fail | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i am trying to get to the bottom of this | 18:46 |
| rkukura | the heirarchy if UT TestCase classes is a mess! | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the other thing is, i would like to draw your attention to this ugly (temporary) hack: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518183/14/gbpservice/neutron/plugins/ml2plus/plugin.py | 18:47 |
| * tbachman nods | 18:47 | |
| rkukura | hierarchy of … | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | refer to L261 | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the right hand side | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i tried to debug this, and i couldnt tell where else a delete was being callled, but when it hits this point of code, some UTs complain that the “NetworkSegment” object has already been addded for deletion | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if i just ignore this exception, the UTs pass | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you guys have thoughts on this please do let me know | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | a way to reproduce this would be to remove this try-except block and run the UT that i mention in the comments there | 18:49 |
| annakk | looks suspicious :) | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: yeah, it doesnt look good | 18:50 |
| rkukura | I have thoughts, but they are not productive ;) | 18:51 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am trying to get to a point where i can get all the UTs to pass (albeit with this hack) and then we can perhaps use our collective wisdom to crack this one | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: lol | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you can let us decide that | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have anything more on this, happy to discuss the patch in the time that we have (assuming you got a chance to look at it at all) | 18:52 |
| rkukura | The neutron team took ML2’s concept of network segments and both promoted it to the core and hijacked it for the routed-networking stuff, which is entirely inconsistent with ML2’s concept | 18:52 |
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| rkukura | so I’m not surprised its causing trouble now | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah okay, good data point, so perhaps might need a bit more offline discussion with you | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so far this happens only with the NetworkSegment DB object | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: tbachman: anything you would like top bring up at your end? | 18:54 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: nothing from me | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks, one more patch from you coming? | 18:55 |
| annakk | not from me | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: thanks | 18:55 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ACK. I have one more fix in GBP for EP updates | 18:55 |
| tbachman | that will likely post tomorrow | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: ok thanks, will look for it | 18:55 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thx! | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if nothing else from you, we can wrap up for today! | 18:55 |
| rkukura | sure | 18:55 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:55 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:56 |
| annakk | thanks, bye! | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
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| rkukura | bye | 18:56 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 7 18:56:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-12-07-18.34.html | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-12-07-18.34.txt | 18:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-12-07-18.34.log.html | 18:56 |
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