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| tosky | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 14 14:01:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tosky. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| shuyingya | o/ | 14:01 |
| tosky | hi! Telles may not be around, so I will chair this time | 14:01 |
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| tosky | it looks like it may be quick, but let's see | 14:02 |
| tosky | #topic News/Updated | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updated (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| tosky | Telles told me that he is working on ambari 2.3 and mapr 5.2 images (image-pack), and also fighting with the UI support for decommissioning nodes | 14:03 |
| tosky | I will have a bit more of free time to fix the zuul jobs, the remaining failing CLI tempest job, and hopefully adding new jobs | 14:03 |
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| shuyingya | hi tosky, still working on vanilla upgrade, and cluster works now, but has some problem right now. Maybe affects 2.7.1 too | 14:04 |
| tosky | oh, it's the first meeting with shuyingya as core, congratulation again! | 14:04 |
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| shuyingya | haha, thanks tosky | 14:04 |
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| tosky | one of the reason why I'm watching closely the progress on native zuul multinode jobs, is to have at least a proper vanilla test and prevent regressions | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ hey guys, made it a little bit late but made it | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | col | 14:06 |
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| tosky | oh, good! | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | cool | 14:06 |
| tosky | tellesnobrega: so we just shared the updates, I wrote down what you told me (image-pack for two plugins and UI for horizon | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | please keep going, you are in charge today tosky | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:07 |
| shuyingya | :) | 14:07 |
| shuyingya | tosky, we don't have sahara-ci anymore? | 14:07 |
| tosky | shuyingya: not the old one | 14:08 |
| tosky | there is some work in progress both on the scripts to set up (Evgeny sent a stream of reviews some time ago) and, more important, the hardware | 14:08 |
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| tosky | Jeremy knows better the status of the hardware | 14:08 |
| tosky | but even without the sahara-ci we can set some jobs on the main infra | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | I sent out the requested email to MOC people but haven't got a response | 14:09 |
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| tosky | I guess we may go quickly through the status of the plugins | 14:10 |
| tosky | #topic Plugin update status | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Plugin update status (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:10 | |
| tosky | shuyingya just mentioned the upgrade of vanilla | 14:10 |
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| shuyingya | most of the task has been finished. | 14:11 |
| tosky | Spark 2.2 was merged | 14:11 |
| shuyingya | still some bugs need further investigate | 14:11 |
| tosky | oh, no, Spark 2.2 is still not merged in s-i-e | 14:12 |
| tosky | no, sorry, misread | 14:12 |
| * tosky rewinds | 14:12 | |
| tosky | Spark 2.2.0 and Storm 1.1.1 merged | 14:12 |
| tosky | shuyingya: something that can be fixed in few days of work? | 14:12 |
| shuyingya | about vanilla, do you have any idea about the version of other services like hive, oozie, spark on yarn? | 14:13 |
| shuyingya | tosky, sure. | 14:13 |
| shuyingya | I think it can be fixed in next few days if there is no new bugs :) | 14:14 |
| tosky | perfect! | 14:14 |
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| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, you mean what versions should be on vanilla for those services? | 14:15 |
| shuyingya | I would like to enable vanilla 2.8.2 includes: hive -> 1.2.2 oozie -> 4.30 and spark -> 2.2.0 | 14:15 |
| tosky | about the other services, I'm not sure; my personal idea is: the most recent stable version that works with that version of vanilla and all the versions of the other components | 14:15 |
| shuyingya | yes | 14:15 |
| tellesnobrega | I agree with tosky, just make sure the the version is supported | 14:16 |
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| shuyingya | ok, I will confirm it tomorrow. | 14:16 |
| tosky | anything else about the plugin versions? | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | I haven't started working on ambari yet | 14:17 |
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| tellesnobrega | will take a look on that hopefully by next week | 14:17 |
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| tosky | yeah, and hopefully we can unify the version of ambari (spawning different HDP with the same ambari) | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, HDP/Ambari always confuses me | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | but will read on it | 14:19 |
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| tosky | eheh, that's why I think that using only one ambari version would be better for everyone | 14:20 |
| tosky | ok, if there is nothing else on this topic, I would (ab)use my chair position for an unexpected topic | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | go for it | 14:21 |
| tosky | #topic Longer OpenStack release cycles? | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Longer OpenStack release cycles? (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:21 | |
| tosky | soo, really quick | 14:22 |
| tosky | there is an big discussion (>=40 emails in 1 day) about changing the release schedule of OpenStack to 1 year | 14:22 |
| tosky | or in general extending it, but 9 months is not possible due to the ongoing preparation for the Summit in the next 2 years | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | yeah, a bit overwhelming | 14:23 |
| tosky | if you haven't seen the discussion, please take a look at it | 14:23 |
| tosky | it would be interesting to hear from the "not-usual" contributors | 14:23 |
| tosky | for example, shuyingya and all the people that he is trying to bring aboard | 14:24 |
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| tellesnobrega | exactly what I thought when I first read some of the ideas at the thread | 14:24 |
| tosky | my really personal view is that I'd welcome a longer release cycle, but without reducing the requirements for features freeze | 14:25 |
| tosky | it would give me more time to work properly - but that's me :) | 14:25 |
| tosky | so if you want to share your ideas now, feel free to | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | I like the idea of a longer cycle as well | 14:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | BUT, I fear that longer cycles with no structure can delay a lot development because we just have more time | 14:26 |
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| tellesnobrega | it would take a little more effort from PTLs, core team to keep the work flowing smoothly | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | not sure what the solution is | 14:27 |
| shuyingya | I am not reading it carefully, but it would be good for core team or ATC who focusing on it. | 14:27 |
| tosky | I agree about the structure: that's why I would prefer 9 months, because it gives "just" the more time needed from some stabilization, reducing the fixed costs associated with each releases | 14:28 |
| tosky | but 9 months is not possible, so... | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | true | 14:28 |
| tosky | (anyway, I miscounted, more than 80 emails in the thread) | 14:30 |
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| tosky | any other comments on this topic? And also: any other topics before the Open discussion? | 14:31 |
| tellesnobrega | not from me | 14:33 |
| tosky | #topic Open Discussion | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:33 | |
| tosky | tellesnobrega: quick question about the UI support for the job removal; if it's linked to v2, don't we need saharaclient v2 support first? Or are you evaluating how to add it regardless of the API? | 14:34 |
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| tellesnobrega | job removal? | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | instance removal, right? | 14:35 |
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| tellesnobrega | I'm evaluating how to add regardless of the API, but you are right, we need APIv2 first | 14:35 |
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| tosky | instance removal, yes | 14:37 |
| tosky | ok, I guessed so :) | 14:37 |
| tosky | landing an experimental 2.0 in Queens, if Rocky is going longer, we can probably kick it out from experimental status in one cycle only maybe | 14:38 |
| tosky | but let's see | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | that would actually be good | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | as I said to you, but making it official here, jeremey is working on adding APIv2 discovery on the client | 14:39 |
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| tellesnobrega | I want to officially welcome shuyingya to the core team | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | congrats and well deserved :) | 14:41 |
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| tosky | yep :) | 14:42 |
| tosky | anything else to share? | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | not from me | 14:42 |
| shuyingya | thanks for your warm welcoming :) | 14:43 |
| shuyingya | just get a phone call. not from me too | 14:44 |
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| tellesnobrega | I guess you can close tosky | 14:46 |
| tosky | yep, I was waiting for the 5-minutes timeout | 14:46 |
| tosky | but we are good enough | 14:46 |
| tosky | thanks all, see you on the normal channel | 14:46 |
| tosky | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 14 14:47:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-12-14-14.01.html | 14:47 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks tosky for covering for me | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-12-14-14.01.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-12-14-14.01.log.html | 14:47 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 14 15:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| janzian | o/ | 15:00 |
| reedip_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| david_chou | o/ | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | Nice to see you guys! | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| mlavalle | We are on the final stretch of the Queens cycle | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | The Q-3 milestone will be the week of January 22 - 26 | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | with the end of year holidays, we will get to Q-3 before we realize it | 15:04 |
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| reedip_ | yeah, seems to be like that ... | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Reminder to register for the Rocky PTG in Dublin, February 26 - March 2 | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | hoping to see you all out there | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Finally, there is a ML thread about changing the release cycle | 15:07 |
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| reedip_ | yeah, 1 release per year ... | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125473.html | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | lots of people chiming in | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | any other announcements? | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:10 | |
| mlavalle | haleyb: do you want to start with DVR? | 15:10 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: sorry, wasn't ready, let me go second if you have "regular" l3 bugs ready | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | The only non DVR bug we are tracking is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1706750 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1706750 in neutron "FlushError for automatic IPAllocations when subnet create is retried" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys is working on it | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | he hasn't posted any updates lately | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | given that, I will spend some time with it over the next few days | 15:14 |
| haleyb | The one DVR bug i'm working on now is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717302 - we talked about it at CI meeting, I need to put a skip decorator for the east-west tests | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | I was going to bring that one up | 15:15 |
| haleyb | the neutron-tempest-plugin repo needs a version of the decorator, i was working on it this morning | 15:15 |
| haleyb | i don't see any other new DVR bugs, but there are a number in the review pipeline | 15:16 |
| haleyb | s/number/number of fixes | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: do you have links handy? if not, we can talk about it in the Neutron channel | 15:18 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/525842 | 15:19 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i'll go through them all later and look for any that need attention | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | ok, cool | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | It seems to me that Swami is having a lot of work to do downstream | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | so we need to re-think the handling of the DVR bugs | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | I'll ping him over the next few days | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | when I find him, I'll loop you in, haleyb and let's talk how to re-distribute this work | 15:22 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, i've been busy as well, should be slowing down | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | any other bugs we should discuss today? | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | if not, let's move on | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | #topic Kick ass DVR | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kick ass DVR (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:24 | |
| mlavalle | david_chou: that is what we have been designating the effort you are leading ^^^^ | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | would you rather have another name? | 15:25 |
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| davidsha_ | I'll vote to keep it the same :) | 15:26 |
| david_chou | Yes, I am picking up. I don't really understand what you mean another name? | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | ahhh, davidsha_ lurking | 15:26 |
| davidsha_ | mlavalle: yup | 15:27 |
| davidsha_ | david_chou: do you want to change the topic to dvr_bridge or keep it as dvr_kickass? | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | david_chou: that's the name we give to this section of the meeting: Kick Ass DVR | 15:27 |
| davidsha_ | or dvr_openflow? | 15:27 |
| david_chou | I prefer dvr_openflow as davidsh_ recommended | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | #topic dvr_openflow | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dvr_openflow (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:28 | |
| mlavalle | david_chou: there you go. dvr_openflow it is form now on | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | any updates this week? | 15:29 |
| david_chou | I have duplicate some tests for dvr_openflow under davidsh_'s help. Other than that, still ramping up. | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | ok, cool | 15:30 |
| davidsha_ | I'm working on breaking out the router_info_base, should have that up tomorrow | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | thanks for continuing this effort | 15:31 |
| davidsha_ | Np! | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | It is not urgent stuff, but both haleyb and me think it is very important for the future evolution of DVR | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | so let's keep it up | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | let's move on | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | #topic Floating IPs port forwarding | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Floating IPs port forwarding (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:33 | |
| mlavalle | reedip_: do you want to talk about this? | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | well I do | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | over the past week, we got a good amount of feedback on the spec | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470596/ | 15:35 |
| reedip_ | well bzhao and I have been working on it | 15:35 |
| reedip_ | and we would need reviews from you guys, so that we can target the spec in Q-3 | 15:35 |
| reedip_ | ( I am being VERY optimistic, but then thats how life goes ) | 15:35 |
| reedip_ | mlavalle: yeah, and thanks for your review comments... :) | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | the spec improved significantly since last week | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | we got feedback from frickler brenda_tian and others | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | I did another pass yesterday and fixed some nits | 15:36 |
| reedip_ | yes, and HA and DVR has been addressed in the spec | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | so ot would be highly appreciated by the small team working on this if we can get some additional feedback | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | as reedip_ said, it woul be great if we can merge this spec this cycle | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:38 | |
| mlavalle | I wanted to poll the team about vacation plans during the December Holidays | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | we are going to cancel the meeting on the 28th | 15:39 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: I am out starting next Wed or Thur until next year, how about yourself? | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: I'll be around the entire time | 15:40 |
| haleyb | :( | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | but if nobody is going to be around the 21st | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | I'll cancel | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | I can play it by ear | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | I can start the meeting and if nobody shows up, I'll just close it | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: how about on January 4th? | 15:41 |
| haleyb | we have a company shutdown at Christmas, so other red hatters might not be around for other meetings | 15:41 |
| davidsha_ | I'll be on leave from Monday till Jan 8th | 15:41 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i'll be back by the 4th | 15:41 |
| davidsha_ | but I can pop on if the meeting is going ahead. | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | davidsha_: happy Holidays. for wahtever reason, Christmas elves come from Ireland in my mind :-) | 15:42 |
| davidsha_ | Lol, You'r thinking of Leprechauns I think ;P | 15:42 |
| reedip_ | I would be here till 27th | 15:42 |
| reedip_ | and then back on 31st :P | 15:43 |
| reedip_ | in case it helps :) | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | ok, so let's give a try on the 21st | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | and we resume for sure on January the 4th | 15:43 |
| reedip_ | +1 | 15:44 |
| davidsha_ | +1 | 15:44 |
| david_chou | +1 | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | Happy Holidays! | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 14 15:44:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-12-14-15.00.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-12-14-15.00.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-12-14-15.00.log.html | 15:44 |
| davidsha_ | Thanks, See ya! | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | davidsha_: yeah, it must be the Leprechauns | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | I need to deepen my knowledge on that type of creatures | 15:45 |
| janzian | lol | 15:45 |
| davidsha_ | Lol! | 15:46 |
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| reedip_ | lol | 15:50 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting api sig | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 14 16:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:00 |
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| edleafe | Sorry if I'm a bit distracted today. Following the discussion in #opensatck-tc about the year-long release cycle | 16:01 |
| edleafe | cdent is also busy there | 16:01 |
| edleafe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| elmiko | i can drive things here edleafe, if you'd like | 16:01 |
| edleafe | it's ok | 16:02 |
| edleafe | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:02 | |
| edleafe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/ | 16:02 |
| edleafe | two items from last week | 16:02 |
| edleafe | mugsie to explain api-ref automation potential | 16:03 |
| edleafe | edleafe to investigate open meeting times at 2200UTC | 16:03 |
| edleafe | I've sent two emails to the dev list requesting people respond to a survey about what day would work for them | 16:03 |
| mugsie | damn, I did not do that | 16:03 |
| elmiko | on the latter, nothing ever came from the survey =( | 16:03 |
| * mugsie adds to todays list | 16:03 | |
| elmiko | unless you made a new survey edleafe | 16:04 |
| edleafe | So far only 2 people have responded | 16:04 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:04 |
| elmiko | sounds like the other survey... | 16:04 |
| edleafe | Another (based in India) has said that 2200UTC is too early | 16:04 |
| elmiko | ouch | 16:05 |
| elmiko | but hey, at least a couple are responding | 16:05 |
| edleafe | But if we made it later, that would be tough for me' | 16:05 |
| edleafe | Two people don't really justify holding a meeting | 16:05 |
| elmiko | right, same problem we had last time we did this | 16:05 |
| elmiko | i missed you email, was the second meeting time proposed as a meeting or more like open office hours? | 16:06 |
| edleafe | a meeting | 16:08 |
| edleafe | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125304.html | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | just wondering aloud if doing the latter might help people out, but also be less compute intensive ;) | 16:08 |
| elmiko | thanks for the link! | 16:08 |
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| edleafe | I'm not sure. IMO, most of the things we could cover in office hours would be better in email | 16:09 |
| cdent | office hours is potentially a good idea, but I'm not sure we are doing enough lately to warrant it? | 16:09 |
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| cdent | jinxish | 16:09 |
| elmiko | good points | 16:09 |
| edleafe | Well, it's clear that there isn't an overwhelming demand for APAC meetings | 16:10 |
| edleafe | Let's maybe hold off until the new year and revisit this | 16:10 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:10 |
| * cdent concurs | 16:10 | |
| dtantsur | yep | 16:11 |
| edleafe | #agreed Revisit APAC meetings in January | 16:11 |
| * edleafe is glad he gave cdent an opportunity to concur | 16:11 | |
| cdent | I feel pretty good about that too | 16:12 |
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| edleafe | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and new biz (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:12 | |
| edleafe | mugsie already said that he spaced out on the api schema thing | 16:12 |
| elmiko | i happned to talk with Melvin for a few minutes at kubecon, i basically was asking him about how we might get more engagement from the sdk side of the house | 16:12 |
| elmiko | he was very receptive to the idea of helping to open more communications there | 16:12 |
| edleafe | the other item is the SDK Certification proposal | 16:13 |
| edleafe | #link SDK Certification proposal https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cdzFeV5I4Wk9FK57yqQmp5JJdGfKzEOdB3Vtt9vnVJM/edit#gid=0 | 16:13 |
| edleafe | Is that something that we should steer? | 16:13 |
| elmiko | so, i think if we do make some moves towards attracting more sdk folks, we could certainly reach out with anything we might want help in distributing | 16:13 |
| elmiko | edleafe: hmm, that seems like a big step up for us | 16:14 |
| elmiko | but certainly in-line with newer objectives, i'm not sure | 16:14 |
| dtantsur | not sure I get the proposal, did I miss some ML thread? | 16:14 |
| cdent | dtantsur: I doubt, there's a lot of stuff going on lately that doesn't seem to be going on in email or adequately reflected there :( | 16:15 |
| * dtantsur #sadpanda | 16:15 | |
| edleafe | dtantsur: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2017-December/045844.html | 16:15 |
| dtantsur | thanks edleafe | 16:16 |
| mugsie | should the SDK certification be wider than just "core" projects ? | 16:17 |
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| dtantsur | for which defintion of "core"? nova,neutron,glance,cinder,keystone? | 16:17 |
| dtantsur | * swift | 16:17 |
| edleafe | mugsie: I ithink that's part of it | 16:17 |
| mugsie | nova + friends and swift | 16:17 |
| edleafe | IOW, what is the minimum aan SDK must support to be considered "official" | 16:18 |
| elmiko | seems like starting with the "core" is a reasonable first goal | 16:18 |
| cdent | am I seeing correctly that there were no responses to that thread? | 16:18 |
| mugsie | cdent: yes | 16:18 |
| edleafe | cdent: yeah, and not much on the spreadsheet | 16:18 |
| mugsie | elmiko: is it though? most of the SDK's support much more | 16:18 |
| edleafe | the SDK folks don't seem to be very lively | 16:18 |
| dtantsur | does it somehow related to the trademark business? | 16:19 |
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| dtantsur | like SDK for OpenStack is something that supports whatever trademark requirements are.. | 16:19 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: it's modeled on Interop, so I think so | 16:19 |
| elmiko | mugsie: i think for a cert program, getting the basics in the first draft is reasonable to me | 16:19 |
| mugsie | elmiko: I don't | 16:19 |
| elmiko | mugsie: i'm curious, what would your list include? | 16:20 |
| mugsie | LBaaS + DNS at the very least | 16:20 |
| mugsie | Orchestration as well actually | 16:20 |
| dtantsur | well, if we go beyond core, we're going to argue a lot :) | 16:21 |
| * dtantsur votes for ironic, of course | 16:21 | |
| elmiko | we probably need a better definition of "core" then, i see those are pretty fundamental to having a working openstack sdk | 16:21 |
| cdent | there's a map that ttx has created which tries to describe coreness, differently from what it was in the passed | 16:21 |
| mugsie | elmiko: well, core is currently a term used for compute-starter-kit / OpenStack Powered Platform | 16:22 |
| cdent | but it often seems different from "operational cloud" too | 16:22 |
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| elmiko | for clarity, i was thinking about things like sahara as not being needed for a first draft cert program | 16:22 |
| elmiko | mugsie: ack, my bad then | 16:22 |
| mugsie | elmiko: ah, OK - that makes sense :) | 16:22 |
| mugsie | I would like a new term that is "what I need to get my application on the internet" | 16:23 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:23 |
| edleafe | mugsie: and that will depend on the application, no? | 16:24 |
| mugsie | edleafe: yes, that is true. | 16:24 |
| edleafe | I'm really not sure of the value of this effort, though | 16:24 |
| edleafe | if an SDK can't do basic stuff, who would use it? | 16:24 |
| mugsie | "what I need to get 90% of applications on the internet" | 16:25 |
| edleafe | if an SDK does what you need well, who cares if it's "official"? | 16:25 |
| mugsie | edleafe: that is a good point. who is driving this? | 16:25 |
| elmiko | edleafe: ++ | 16:25 |
| edleafe | I would assume Melvin and the User Committee | 16:25 |
| elmiko | would be cool to know if there is a request for this from the users | 16:26 |
| edleafe | well, it *is* the User Committee... :) | 16:27 |
| edleafe | So let's just keep this on the radar. If it starts to gain support, we should definitely be involved | 16:27 |
| edleafe | Anything else for new biz? | 16:28 |
| cdent | I think the idea of the certification is not to certify, but to help SDKs improve in a guided fashion | 16:29 |
| dtantsur | I'm not sure we should guide everyone to concentrate on core projects.. | 16:29 |
| edleafe | cdent: that's a good point | 16:29 |
| elmiko | i think if we end up discussing this more, we should definitely reach out to Melvin in advance to see if we can drum up some interest from the user committee in attending our meetings | 16:29 |
| dtantsur | there may be more domain-specific SDKs | 16:29 |
| edleafe | I know that when I wrote the OpenStack SDK for Rackspace, my only guide was "support everything!" | 16:30 |
| dtantsur | heh, that's a good goal :) | 16:30 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:31 |
| edleafe | moving on... | 16:31 |
| edleafe | #topic guidelines | 16:31 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:31 |
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| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z | 16:31 |
| edleafe | The only real change was that Gilles updated the API-schema doc | 16:32 |
| edleafe | I haven't looked at it yet | 16:32 |
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| * dtantsur neither | 16:33 | |
| cdent | not a huge change, provides a bit more context, needs still more justification about _why_ | 16:33 |
| edleafe | ok | 16:34 |
| edleafe | I'll try to oget to it later | 16:34 |
| edleafe | #topic bug review | 16:34 |
| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:34 |
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| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-sig | 16:34 |
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| edleafe | No new bugs | 16:35 |
| edleafe | Anyone want to discuss a bug? | 16:35 |
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| elmiko | i've always enjoyed the monarch butterfly... | 16:35 |
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| edleafe | I'm a Black Swallowtail man myself | 16:37 |
| edleafe | https://photos.app.goo.gl/KEKb0SJTaR3G0zIj1 | 16:37 |
| cdent | I had a bug in a house I once lived in that I called Early | 16:37 |
| cdent | Earl! | 16:37 |
| elmiko | edleafe: very cool! | 16:37 |
| edleafe | elmiko: raised that one from a caterpillar | 16:38 |
| elmiko | dude, so neat | 16:38 |
| edleafe | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:38 |
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| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:38 |
| edleafe | Any volunteers? | 16:38 |
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| elmiko | i can take it this week | 16:38 |
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| cdent | thanks elmiko | 16:39 |
| edleafe | cool, thanks | 16:40 |
| edleafe | Anything else? | 16:40 |
| * dtantsur has nothing | 16:40 | |
| elmiko | nothing here | 16:40 |
| cdent | do we want a meeting next week or the week after? | 16:40 |
| edleafe | ooh good point | 16:40 |
| cdent | or should we take a holiday break of some kind? | 16:40 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:41 |
| edleafe | Let's have our next meeting in 3 weeks | 16:41 |
| edleafe | Jan 4 | 16:41 |
| edleafe | Sounds good? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | i'm good with that | 16:41 |
| cdent | works for me | 16:41 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 16:41 |
| edleafe | #agreed Skip the next two meeting dates for the holidays | 16:41 |
| edleafe | So everyone enjoy your holidays, and we'll see you back here in January! | 16:42 |
| elmiko | likewise! =) | 16:42 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:42 |
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| edleafe | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: rkukura tbachman: hi | 18:29 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: you made it! | 18:29 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess we have crtitical mass, we can get started | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 14 18:29:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mostly wanted to report on my progress on pike sync | 18:30 |
| annakk | hi! | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: annakk: perhaps if you have some time, you can take a quick look at: #link https://review.openstack.org/514864 | 18:30 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: will have a look next week | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: we can delay the above if you think there are higher priority things | 18:30 |
| annakk | will do | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: annakk thanks | 18:31 |
| rkukura | that one and its backport have my +2 | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the other patch is this #link https://review.openstack.org/518183 | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have been trying to keep rebase repeatedly, but the current patch set is not the latest nor rebased | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hopefully we can merge the former patch next week, it will reduce pain of rebasing | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the above patch, unfortunately i still have some UTs which are not passing | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most notably, there are two classes of issues: | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | 1. gbpservice.neutron.tests.unit.plugins.ml2plus.test_apic_aim.TestAimMapping.test_shared_network_topologies | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is the problem i had reported last week also, and unfortunately i havent been able to crack it yet | 18:34 |
| rkukura | was this problem with the notifications? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issue is that somehow NetwrokSegment object gets added to the session prior to it being added for delete, and the delete fails | 18:35 |
| rkukura | oh, that | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: this is not the notification problem, i fixed that one | 18:35 |
| rkukura | there is nothing specific to segments in that test | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: on the notification problem, the issue was that the notification queue was getting reset on every call to getting the "writer” | 18:36 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so the notifications were not going out (as opposed to there being a mismatch) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: something to watch out for in the future as well | 18:36 |
| rkukura | glad you figured that out | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have simplified the patching considerably | 18:36 |
| tbachman | tricky! | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | on the other problem, yes NetworkSegment is involved as a cascaded delete | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the problem is that it seems to get added to the session when a get is done | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and stays in the sqlalchemy’s “identity_map” even when the delete is call | 18:37 |
| annakk | sounds weird | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *called | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its not supposed to be there at that time | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and this does not happen in the case of an external segment | 18:38 |
| rkukura | is this happening on network delete? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but it doesnt happen all the time | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i did a lot of breakpointing in the sqlalchemy code to get some of these clues, but unfortunately i am still not able to fix the problem | 18:39 |
| rkukura | does it ever happen if just that single UT is run? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | always | 18:39 |
| rkukura | so sometimes it succeeds when run with other UTs? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | no it doesnt seem to ever succeed | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but there are other deletes in this test and other tests which seem to succeed | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this test seems to be taking it down a code path that is problematic | 18:40 |
| rkukura | thought you said “it doesn’t happen all the time” | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yes, i meant it doesnt happen with external networks for example | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but there is a “net1” in this test, and it’s delete always fails | 18:41 |
| rkukura | ok, so nothing intermittent about this specific test, run individually or with others? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe there are a few other tests also which fail predictably and on the network delete | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no not at all, at least its consistently reproducible, if its any consolation | 18:42 |
| rkukura | might be best to focus on the simplest test that always fails on network delete | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, makes sense | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will try to identify that | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | 2. gbpservice.neutron.tests.unit.services.grouppolicy.test_aim_mapping_driver.TestL2PolicyWithAutoPTG.test_auto_ptg_lifecycle_unshared | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in this test a update_policy_target_group is done, which is supposed to fail (shared attribute is attempted to be edited) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the operation fails as expected | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however the rollback does not happen | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if i try this operation in isolation, the rollback works | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so again, not sure what’s happening specifically in that test | 18:44 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: What exactly do you mean by “rollback does not happen”? Do you mean that the transaction gets committed? | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so its like this - in the update call we update the shared attribute first in the DB, then we do the check if the update is valid | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if its not valid, we raise an Exception, and the DB update is expected to rollback | 18:46 |
| rkukura | is it possible we don’t have an open transaction surrounding all of this? | 18:46 |
| annakk | sounds like another transaction sneaked in | 18:47 |
| rkukura | or autocommit | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: annakk: yeah thats my suspicion, but the check we are doing is in the UT, so perhaps some issue with the particular UT setup itself | 18:47 |
| rkukura | if there is no transaction open on this session, I think each change will get committed when a flush happens | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: all transactions autocommitted by default | 18:47 |
| rkukura | I’m suggesting the update might be happening outside any transaction | 18:48 |
| rkukura | and therefore auto-committed on the next DB query using the session | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah my suspicion as well, but to the extent i can tell its inside transaction :-) | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean the transactions are nested and not independent transactions | 18:49 |
| rkukura | definitely the same session? | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, like last week, i think i need to rebase and upload the latest patch set | 18:50 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that you will have a better feel for what i am referring to | 18:51 |
| annakk | ok, i will watch | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats it from me | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else we want to discuss today? | 18:52 |
| annakk | not from me | 18:53 |
| rkukura | not from me - thanks for merging the UT schema patches - working on AIM validation again | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for those patches | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, i will update you guys as soon as i have something more to share (will post the patch set shortly) | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most lilkely will be bugging you if i continue to hit a wall | 18:54 |
| rkukura | thanks | 18:54 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks rkukura annakk tbachman for joining | 18:54 |
| annakk | thanks, bye! | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:54 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:54 |
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