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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 18 14:00:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:00 |
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| tellesnobrega | waiting for shuyingya to show hands | 14:00 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | i'll need to leave at 45-50ish minutes past | 14:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | ok, we might not have too long meeting today | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| tosky | cleaning few reviews, sent the review which enables the build and upload of oozie on tarballs (please review!), some various testing | 14:02 |
| shuyingy_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm working on file transfer bug that we talked about in Denver, during the work I found out that we have a swift - keystone v3 problem that I found a quick solution, I will send a patch soon on that | 14:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | not much new to say, just trying to wrap up the client stuff (1 week till client freeze) and also finishing up force delete | 14:04 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | oh right, and s3_hadoop fixes | 14:05 |
| shuyingy_ | working on image build bugs and xenial image python issues as jeremyfreudberg suggested. also fix downstream tempest tests etc, it also affects upstream | 14:05 |
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| tellesnobrega | sounds we all have our hands full, we have 1 week until Q3 | 14:06 |
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| tosky | and then bugfixes all way | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | anymore news? | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | purposely trying to not turn my news into a big question/discussion | 14:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | please proceed | 14:08 |
| tosky | oh, it will be the next point I suspect | 14:08 |
| tosky | :) | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | cool (rushing so we can fit all we need) | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic APIv2 (a.k.a jeremy's show and tell) | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "APIv2 (a.k.a jeremy's show and tell) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:08 | |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, you have the floor | 14:08 |
| tosky | I have a question in fact | 14:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | go ahead | 14:09 |
| tosky | it's a follow up to the discussion that we had yesterday | 14:10 |
| tosky | the conclusion was that the form of the endpoints does not matter, and that we should update the devstack code with the unversioned endpoint after the saharaclient patch lands | 14:10 |
| tosky | and only the unversioned endpoints, if I understand it correctly | 14:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | the unversioned endpoint should come when a v2-compatible saharaclient is on pypi | 14:11 |
| tosky | yes, but what about the old client? | 14:11 |
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| tosky | it is true that the new saharaclient will be able to deal with the new endpoint | 14:12 |
| tosky | but shouldn't we make sure that old clients still continue to work with v1 if the old endpoints are exposed? | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | if you remember, monty's email suggested old deployments keep versioned url in catalog until a long time from now | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | new deployments have the unversioned | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | when i talk about devstack, i treat it as a fresh (not long lived) deployment | 14:12 |
| tosky | that's an interesting question, but given that sahara/queens will depend on the new saharaclient, it should not be a problem | 14:13 |
| tosky | but on the other side we should check grenade, so that the new endpoints are added too | 14:14 |
| tosky | I don't know the internals of grenade too much, and our jobs are still failing now, but I hope to have them fixed for the PTG | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | (btw, i'm assuming that vendors will provide the latest saharaclient with queens, if we don't get our minimum requirements bump in) | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes - keep an eye on grenade for sure | 14:15 |
| tosky | yes, that should happen; I was just concerned about the backward compatibility | 14:15 |
| tosky | but it seems it should work then - thanks | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks for clarification jeremyfreudberg | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | any more on this topic? | 14:17 |
| tosky | should we ping mordred? :) | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | probably | 14:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we should | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | already did I guess | 14:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i mean, the client will work as it is but i'm sure mordred would prefer the endpoint code to be more proper there | 14:18 |
| tosky | and to easy his search in the log, we are talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533066/ | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | yes, thanks tosky was getting that | 14:18 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | indeed, it's a bit early in most of the USA, he's probably not around yet | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | since mordred is not around right now, we can move on and when available we can talk @ #openstack-sahara | 14:19 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Dublin PTG | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dublin PTG (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:20 | |
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| tellesnobrega | I don't know if you all have seen, but we were allocated Thursday and Friday in Dublin | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | sadly I discovered that my flight leaves Dublin at 17:40h, so I probably won't be able to be around Friday afternoon, but I believe it should be enough time | 14:21 |
| tosky | you can leave shortly after lunch | 14:22 |
| tosky | around 14:00 should be enough | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | that is the plan | 14:22 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, i think we can squeeze enough into that day | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | whatever is left I'm more than sure that tosky and jeremyfreudberg and work it out | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | also, we have the etherpad up, lets start feeding it | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | that closes PTG, any questions there? | 14:24 |
| * tosky has no questions for now | 14:25 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | we can move on | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:25 | |
| tellesnobrega | I guess that is the last topic we have | 14:25 |
| tosky | the queue of incoming reviews is better, and all the tiny doc patches have been reviewed and were merged or waiting for some action from the submitter | 14:26 |
| tosky | well, some of them are waiting a +2 | 14:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, a lot of small patches recently | 14:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i guess people want to get their name in before freeze | 14:27 |
| tosky | we are running out of http and spelling errors :) | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | getting very close | 14:27 |
| jeremyfreudberg | the other thing to mention, about s3_hadoop | 14:28 |
| tosky | after the oozie generation (thanks! let's see if it does what it should), now I'm personally waiting for the +1->+2 by jeremyfreudberg on the MapR review | 14:28 |
| tosky | oh, right, s3_hadoop | 14:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think i need to fix it in two patches, right? one which is the minimal fix that we can backport to pike | 14:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | and finally release 7.0.1 (which is desperately needed downstream) | 14:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | and then a bigger fix for master only | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | sounds about right | 14:29 |
| tosky | yes, the patch to fix vanilla, we have a bug for that | 14:29 |
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| tosky | that's more urgent; the rest can be postponed between queens-3 and the final release | 14:29 |
| tosky | in the bugfix phase | 14:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, exactly | 14:30 |
| jeremyfreudberg | my point is: we can backport something easy to pike that might not totally support s3 functionality but just gets clusters to work | 14:30 |
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| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:31 |
| tosky | yes | 14:31 |
| jeremyfreudberg | btw, shuyingy_ what is happening with hbase element for vanilla image? | 14:31 |
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| shuyingy_ | I don't have hands to take care of vanilla upgrade and habse integration. | 14:33 |
| shuyingy_ | vanilla upgrade is very close to finish. I will update them asap | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingy_, I would say focus on vanilla upgrade | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | we need that asap | 14:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, i would say vanilla upgrade is priority | 14:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we could get FFE for hbase maybe | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | probably | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | depends on its state and probability to break stuff | 14:35 |
| shuyingy_ | vanilla has last step to push is that oozie webUI need two jar packages conflict with tomcat. | 14:35 |
| jeremyfreudberg | java dependency hell is not fun | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | never | 14:35 |
| shuyingy_ | I will remove them when starting cluster. | 14:35 |
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| tellesnobrega | is that the best solution? | 14:37 |
| shuyingy_ | FYI: The method getJspApplicationContext(ServletContext) is undefined for the type JspFactory. | 14:37 |
| shuyingy_ | I have tried to remove it from SIE. | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | didn't work I suppose | 14:38 |
| shuyingy_ | but found it doesn't have these files. these files are decompressed when executing "oozied.sh start" | 14:38 |
| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingy_, makes sense | 14:38 |
| shuyingy_ | yep | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, that makes sense then | 14:39 |
| shuyingy_ | so we have to remove /opt/oozie/oozie-server/webapps/oozie/WEB-INF/lib/servlet-api-2.5.jar and jsp-api-2.0.jar from sahara side | 14:39 |
| tosky | s/dependency hell / | 14:40 |
| shuyingy_ | crazy :( | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | let us know if it works | 14:40 |
| shuyingy_ | the dawn is coming | 14:40 |
| shuyingy_ | it works now. | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | awesome lol | 14:41 |
| jeremyfreudberg | \o/ | 14:41 |
| shuyingy_ | that's all | 14:41 |
| jeremyfreudberg | another quick topic: is anyone proposing for the next summit? | 14:42 |
| jeremyfreudberg | in may | 14:42 |
| * tosky is not | 14:42 | |
| tellesnobrega | not right now, do you have anything in mind? | 14:42 |
| jeremyfreudberg | not sure if i will propose anything, but i do have a lot to say about part-time contributions and attending university concurrently, stuff like that | 14:43 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 14:43 |
| tellesnobrega | it would be interesting | 14:43 |
| tellesnobrega | I've done my share of that | 14:43 |
| jeremyfreudberg | good way to advertise myself as well | 14:44 |
| shuyingy_ | +1 would be interesting | 14:44 |
| tellesnobrega | of course | 14:44 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm thinking on topics, but nothing came to mind yet | 14:44 |
| tellesnobrega | anything else? | 14:46 |
| tellesnobrega | I think jeremyfreudberg is almost leaving, if we don't have anything more to discuss I will close the meeting | 14:46 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes - i am almost leaving | 14:47 |
| tosky | and we are not far from the end of the hour anyway | 14:47 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:47 |
| tellesnobrega | lets keep up the work, we have 1 week to finish all features. | 14:48 |
| tellesnobrega | see you all around | 14:48 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:48 |
| jeremyfreudberg | bye | 14:48 |
| shuyingy_ | bye | 14:49 |
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| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 18 14:49:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-01-18-14.00.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-01-18-14.00.txt | 14:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-01-18-14.00.log.html | 14:49 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 18 15:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi there! | 15:01 |
| david_chou | Hi! | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | david_chou: let's give the others a couple of minutes | 15:03 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's get going | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| mlavalle | First of, next week is the Q-3 milestone | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Keep in mind two additional dates: | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | RC1 target week is Feb 5 - Feb 9 | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | and finel RC is Feb 19 - 23 | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | Also reminder of the upcoming PTG: Feb 26 - Mar 2 | 15:08 |
| * mlavalle looking forward to see haleyb in Dublin | 15:08 | |
| mlavalle | The last announcement is that I sent a message to the ML with an etherpad to start proposing topics for the PTG: | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-rocky | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | For the time being, it is free format. We will prioritize and put together an agenda as we get closer to the event | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | any other announcements? | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:13 | |
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| * haleyb hopes Swami is here :) | 15:13 | |
| mlavalle | During the last CI meeting the following bug was brought up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717302 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:13 |
| haleyb | that is still on my plate, i have not had enough time to dig into it | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | cool. we will be asked next Tuesday about it. Hopefully we can make some progress by then | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I don't have any other bugs from the non dvr side | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | do you have any other bugs to bring up? | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | I don't see Swami around, so we will skip DVR bugs this morning | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | #topic dvr_openflow | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dvr_openflow (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:18 | |
| haleyb | i can look, browser acting up | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | #undo | 15:18 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic dvr_openflow | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | cool haleyb | 15:18 |
| david_chou | he base ovs-dpdk deployment and instances launching works for vlan tenant network, I will do more validation, Then test base DVR with ovs-dpdk, then DVR_openflow with ovs-dpdk. | 15:19 |
| david_chou | The base | 15:19 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i don't see any new dvr bugs this week, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1744062 is "new" | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1744062 in neutron (Ubuntu Bionic) "L3 HA: multiple agents are active at the same time" [High,Triaged] | 15:20 |
| haleyb | so don't know whether further work is necessary there | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | it seems at least we need to take a further look | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | although the report is specific to Ubuntu | 15:23 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: there might be a small timing window there, fixable with just config knobs | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | could you comment in the report? | 15:24 |
| haleyb | yes, will do after meeting | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | cool, thanks | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | #topic dvr_openflow | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dvr_openflow (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:25 | |
| david_chou | The base ovs-dpdk deployment and instances launching works for vlan tenant network, I will do more validation, Then test base DVR with ovs-dpdk, then DVR_openflow with ovs-dpdk. | 15:26 |
| david_chou | That's all I have today. | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | david_chou: thanks for the report | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:28 | |
| mlavalle | any other topics we should discuss today? | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | ok guys, this will be a short one | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | have a nice weekend! | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
| haleyb | back to the grindstone :) | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 18 15:30:11 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-01-18-15.00.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-01-18-15.00.txt | 15:30 |
| david_chou | Bye. | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-01-18-15.00.log.html | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: LOL, yeap | 15:30 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting api sig | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 18 16:00:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | a small cozy party :) | 16:00 |
| edleafe | This should be quick without cdent and elmiko :) | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:01 | |
| edleafe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-01-11-15.59.html | 16:01 |
| edleafe | There was just one for elmiko | 16:02 |
| edleafe | elmiko add thoughts to health check review about becoming an api-sig guideline | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | he did, and the response is "rather no" | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531456/ (comments) | 16:02 |
| * edleafe was just about to paste that link - dtantsur is too fast! | 16:03 | |
| edleafe | #topic open mic and ongoing or new biz | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and ongoing or new biz (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:03 | |
| edleafe | Nothing on the agenda | 16:03 |
| edleafe | Got anything on your mind, dtantsur? | 16:03 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: we can argue about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532814/ :) | 16:04 |
| edleafe | sounds like fun! | 16:04 |
| edleafe | How about just saying "we don't recommend writing low-level SDKs"? | 16:05 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: cool, but not overly helpful | 16:05 |
| dtantsur | we have a lot of them, realistically | 16:05 |
| dtantsur | and they're not going away, not in the near future at least | 16:05 |
| dtantsur | I mean, we can say that, but I'd prefer not to drop recommendations related to them | 16:06 |
| edleafe | Yeah, I would argue that they aren't SDKs - they are CLI wrappers, and exist for CLI work | 16:06 |
| edleafe | They shouldn't be used programmatically, as an SDK would normally be | 16:06 |
| dtantsur | well, they're used as SDKs.. nova uses ironicclient, tripleo uses ***client | 16:07 |
| dtantsur | changing this will be a large challenge. we can start with writing a paragraph in this guideline on why we would want people to move to "high-level" SDKs | 16:07 |
| edleafe | ...and we should say that's a Bad Thing | 16:07 |
| dtantsur | no objections :) I'm only concerned with not providing guidance for low-level "SDKs" that exist today | 16:08 |
| dtantsur | because we need it right now for ironicclient and consuming it in Nova | 16:08 |
| edleafe | How about we just change the wording: | 16:08 |
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| edleafe | High-level SDK -> SDK. Low-level SDK -> CLI wrapper | 16:08 |
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| edleafe | We don't want people to develop their software with CLI wrappers | 16:09 |
| edleafe | Anyway, we can have more fun with this when the rest of the gang is here | 16:10 |
| edleafe | #topic guidelines | 16:10 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:10 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z | 16:10 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: I don't think we'll get any buy-in for calling things "CLI wrappers" | 16:10 |
| edleafe | There was one frozen guideline last week: | 16:11 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531914/ | 16:11 |
| dtantsur | anyway, I'll add a note and we'll see where we can get from it | 16:11 |
| edleafe | There have been no objections | 16:11 |
| dtantsur | merge it? or wait for the folks? | 16:11 |
| edleafe | Nah, why wait? | 16:11 |
| edleafe | It's pretty tiny | 16:11 |
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| edleafe | Done | 16:12 |
| edleafe | I went through the others this morning | 16:12 |
| edleafe | Most are close, but need a bit of fixing/clarification | 16:13 |
| edleafe | I just hate to see all the stuff mordred did just sit there | 16:13 |
| dtantsur | yep | 16:13 |
| edleafe | I'd take them over if a) I had time and b) I knew that stuff like he does | 16:13 |
| dtantsur | ENOTIME is a common error code | 16:13 |
| edleafe | No, it's the normal state. EHAVETIME is the error | 16:14 |
| edleafe | :) | 16:14 |
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| edleafe | #topic bug review | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:14 | |
| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:14 |
| edleafe | No new bugs | 16:14 |
| edleafe | So that brings us to... | 16:15 |
| edleafe | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:15 | |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:15 |
| edleafe | I can do that this week | 16:15 |
| edleafe | I'll ping you in -sdks when it's ready | 16:15 |
| dtantsur | cool! | 16:16 |
| dtantsur | this time I may even be present :) | 16:16 |
| edleafe | Anything else before I shut this thing down? | 16:16 |
| edleafe | ok, then, back to work! | 16:17 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:17 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 18 16:17:13 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-01-18-16.00.html | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-01-18-16.00.txt | 16:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-01-18-16.00.log.html | 16:17 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| annakk | hi! | 18:00 |
| tbachman | annakk: hi! | 18:00 |
| tbachman | rkukura: hi! | 18:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: rkukura annakk: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have any specific agenda for today’s meeting, open to any discussion | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 18 18:01:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| annakk | Do we want to discuss the potential talk in vancouver summit? | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: sure | 18:02 |
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| annakk | do we want it to be demo-like? for both aim and nsx? | 18:03 |
| tbachman | #topic Vancouver Summit | 18:03 |
| tbachman | #topic-fail :( | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Vancouver Summit | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Summit (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:03 | |
| annakk | maybe with focus on NFV since its in trend | 18:03 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thx! | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #chair tbachman rkukura annakk | 18:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SumitNaiksatam annakk rkukura tbachman | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks :-) | 18:04 |
| tbachman | rkukura: SumitNaiksatam: we should talk next week about the summit | 18:04 |
| rkukura | tbachman: sure | 18:04 |
| * tbachman and rkukura will be in SJC next week | 18:04 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: sure | 18:04 |
| annakk | BTW I will be in PA Feb 5-8 | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: when are the proprosals due? | 18:05 |
| tbachman | annakk: are you going to propose a talk? | 18:05 |
| tbachman | PA as in Pennsylvania, or PA as in Palo Alto? | 18:05 |
| annakk | I don't know, probably soon | 18:05 |
| annakk | Palo alto :) | 18:05 |
| tbachman | :) | 18:05 |
| rkukura | due Feb 8 | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: good to know | 18:06 |
| annakk | I have to confess I'm very bad with talks in front of big audience :) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | feb 8 gives a reasonable amount of time to plan | 18:06 |
| tbachman | annakk: I’m most certainly worse | 18:06 |
| annakk | I tend to change colors and forget english words | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lol | 18:06 |
| tbachman | I tend to forget english words as well, even though it’s my native tongue | 18:06 |
| annakk | :) | 18:07 |
| tbachman | I even do that when I’m not nervous :P | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: dont worrry about it you will be fine | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: so are you doing anything with GBP+NSX+NFV on the product side? | 18:07 |
| annakk | Not yet, I was dragged out of openstack lately, but hopefully will be back to it in couple of months | 18:08 |
| annakk | So hopefully we'll have something to show in may | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay | 18:08 |
| tbachman | Seems like services, NFV, etc. are certainly hot | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: were you able to test GBP/Pike with NSX? | 18:09 |
| annakk | not yet unfortunately.. | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am just trying to get a baseline of where we stand | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i think we can safely assume that at least GBP/Pike+NSX will work at the time of the summit | 18:10 |
| annakk | yes | 18:11 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam, tbachman: Where do we stand on GBP/Pike+APIC testing? | 18:11 |
| tbachman | rkukura: I believe we have pike artifacts, but no installer yet | 18:11 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: is that correct? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are waiting for the installer | 18:11 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the coverage at this point is the devstack AIM gate job | 18:12 |
| tbachman | annakk: I haven’t checked, but is there a VMware gate for pike? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yes there is, but not for master/pike | 18:13 |
| annakk | no, I'll move it from ocata to pike once its tested | 18:13 |
| tbachman | annakk: thx! | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so i think we should at least be ready with pike to show for the summit | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, the community would already have moved to Queens by then | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but i think we should still be okay with Pike, agree/disagree? | 18:15 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: unless you have a secret Queens branch in your back pocket ;) | 18:15 |
| annakk | was GBP in sync with the community in previous talks? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: mostly yes, but it depends on what we want to show | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we want to show integration with product older release in perfectly fine | 18:16 |
| annakk | ok | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my hope is that queen’s sync might be easier, but i havent tried | 18:18 |
| annakk | will it help someone to get travel approvals if he proposes the talk? I don't need travel obviously | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we are good | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if talk gets accepted we should be able to travel, at least one of us | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (most likely more than one though) | 18:19 |
| annakk | ok | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman: right? | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least we dont have visa issues | 18:20 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: I’d think so — we’ll obviously need to talk w/folks out there next week | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right, but i think it shoud be fine | 18:21 |
| tbachman | I think topics is going to be the biggest question. | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we havent done this for a bit, so it should be okay | 18:21 |
| tbachman | It’s 5/21-24? | 18:21 |
| tbachman | Vancouver is just a puddle-jumper for you all in SJC ;) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we might have other things lined up as well, so this probably be in addition to that | 18:21 |
| tbachman | nice time to visit there, too | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: you bet | 18:22 |
| annakk | yes :) | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i forget had you done the OpenStack @ Vancouver last time? | 18:22 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: alas, no | 18:22 |
| * tbachman has only been to the (2nd) Austin summit | 18:22 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | then you should definitely go | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | really loved Vancouver, rkukura what say? | 18:23 |
| * tbachman used to visit Vancouver when he grew up in the PNW | 18:23 | |
| rkukura | definitely would like to go back! | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: oh of course, i forgot about that! | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: so apart from the “NFV” integration, what would be other things that you would like to highlight? | 18:24 |
| annakk | just the fact that we have a new driver | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, tactically speaking #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-categories/ | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay :-) | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: did garyk have something specific in mind? | 18:25 |
| annakk | I'll talk with him | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: do you work on the container’s side at all? | 18:26 |
| annakk | no, its the other part of the team | 18:26 |
| annakk | I'm currently involved with terraform.. | 18:27 |
| annakk | btw maybe we should write a terraform provide for GBP :) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: nice | 18:27 |
| annakk | *provider* | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: good pointer, will look | 18:29 |
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| annakk | I hear field is shifting to terraform from heat | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | apart from the NFV track, i was wondering if this “Container Infrastructure” was fit | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: ah okay | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its clear that we are fishing a bit here | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i think its fine, we brainstorm a bit, and go back and think | 18:30 |
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| annakk | do you have use cases with containers? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: yes with containers, but have to think about GBP | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: does your team work on cloud foundry? | 18:33 |
| annakk | I never thought of combining gbp with nsx container solution, will have a think about that | 18:33 |
| annakk | yes | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: your thoughts? | 18:34 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Definitely would like to participate, but we need to put some thought into possible topics | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think where we are mostly at is, we have focussed less on new features in the past few cycles and more on the production side | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so most of the shiny new features have already been presented | 18:36 |
| rkukura | Does it make any sense to kick-off trying to make GBP an official project? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:37 |
| annakk | rkukura: do we need to be in sync with the release cycle for that? | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: i would imagine | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps the talk/presentation can serve as a springboard for that as well | 18:37 |
| rkukura | Agreed we don’t have much in the way of new features. But we might want to talk about GBP’s NFP vs. Neutron’s SFC | 18:37 |
| annakk | Can you say a few words about sfc integration? I've seen the commit | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: to your point, there might some procedural effort involved to get it to the point of applying | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: this is mostly on the aim driver side for now | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we would need to discuss the GBP mapping | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that discussion can hopefully happen in this meeting/community | 18:39 |
| annakk | ok | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: but we can definitely discuyss that patch if you are interested | 18:40 |
| tbachman | assuming some of us go, would we want to procure a meeting room for a GBP breakout dev session? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can check if Ivar can join the meeting, better to hear it from the author | 18:40 |
| tbachman | I’ve gotten confused about the different summit tracks again | 18:40 |
| tbachman | is there a dev session associated with this? | 18:40 |
| tbachman | is it all dev? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: if they do provide space for unofficial projects, we should (assuming we are still not official until then) | 18:41 |
| annakk | tbachman: I think the talk and the dev session are not related | 18:41 |
| tbachman | thx! | 18:41 |
| rkukura | I haven’t been to a summit in a while, but I don’t think there are official development meetings for projects anymore | 18:42 |
| tbachman | rkukura: I think you’re the most recent summit-attendee from our group | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: even showing the mere integration, say GBP+NSX is a good demo | 18:42 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | wait annakk did sydney, right? | 18:43 |
| tbachman | right — meant from our SJC group | 18:43 |
| rkukura | thought so | 18:43 |
| tbachman | sorry | 18:43 |
| annakk | tbachman: in australia there were quite a few for neutron, I think they are called workshops or something like that | 18:43 |
| * tbachman meant no slight to annakk | 18:43 | |
| rkukura | ok | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: no my bad, didnt mean it that way :-) | 18:43 |
| annakk | np :) | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one way or the other, we are one happy OpenStack family | 18:44 |
| tbachman | :) | 18:44 |
| * tbachman queues Disney music | 18:45 | |
| annakk | :) | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay shall we table the discussion for today on this? | 18:45 |
| rkukura | sure | 18:45 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | may be chew on this a bit more and regroup over emails | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Pike Sync | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so thanks for all the reviews | 18:45 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for all your hard work! | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in my estimation all the work is mostly done, including some clean up | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but please do try to test it | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh one big thing | 18:46 |
| annakk | will do | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i actually watned to put it on the agenda, completely forgot | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so there is a quirk with rollbacks | 18:46 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: in pike only? | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yes | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so earlier: with session.begin(subtransactions=true) | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will create new nested transactions | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so in the innnermost transaction, if you fail (exception is raised), nothing is committed | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however with the new pattern: with context_manager.writer(context) | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | when you nest multiple of those, there is no new nested transaction | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the same transaction is preserved | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and some kind of a soft commit happens after the scope of each “with” ends | 18:50 |
| annakk | I think there was a thread in emails about making sub-transaction behavior default with new pattern | 18:50 |
| annakk | I can try to find it | 18:51 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Can you explain what you mean by “soft commit”? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you happened to raise an exception and caught that exception somewhere in the nesting, and did not raise it, the soft commits might actually get committed | 18:51 |
| rkukura | So the inner transaction might commit even when the outer transaction rolls back? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i was waiting for that question from you :-) | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so the outermost transaction actually did not rollback, because the exception was caught inside the outermost transaction | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the way this is different from using the older pattern, is that the soft commit would not happen in the first place with the exception being raised from the inner transaction | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding soft commit - i meant update of sqlalchemy data structures (which it uses for bookkeeping) | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we saw this happen in Ivar’s patch with the UTs | 18:54 |
| rkukura | So if the exception is raised in the inner TX and not caught in either the inner or outer TX, do both inner and outer TX roll back? | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was hoping to explain with that specific example, but sorry i didnt do my prep work, so i dont have it ready to copy-paste here | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, that case works fine | 18:55 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Are you saying the datastructures reflect updates that are not committed in the DB? | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and those are eventually committed if the exception is not re-raised | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so at the face of it might seem thats how it should work | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but its different from how it used to work | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it might not actually have a deployment implication, but at least manifested in tests | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and good to understand the different in the usage patterns | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we got around this by nesting the older pattern with the newer pattern | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | more details next time | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are out of time | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else urgent? | 18:58 |
| rkukura | ok, thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:58 |
| rkukura | nothing urgent from me | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i meant difference in usage patterns | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: annakk tbachman: thanks for joining | 18:58 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: bye! | 18:58 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | keep the discussion going on the summit talk | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 18 18:59:07 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2018/networking_policy.2018-01-18-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2018/networking_policy.2018-01-18-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2018/networking_policy.2018-01-18-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
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