Thursday, 2018-02-01

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toskyokidoki, let's workaround PTL's internet troubles14:01
tosky#startmeeting sahara14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  1 14:01:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tosky. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
tosky#chair tellesnobrega14:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)"14:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'14:01
openstackCurrent chairs: tellesnobrega tosky14:01
tellesnobregao/ thanks tosky14:01
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tosky#topic News/Updated14:02
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toskywe are in the process of releasing queens-314:02
tellesnobregaI'm trying to fulfill my goal to clean up bug list14:03
tosky(with some delays due to zuul flackiness, but that's a shared problem for all openstack)14:03
tellesnobregaalso doing some downstream work14:04
jeremyfreudbergpast few days i've not been doing much - just orbiting two bugs at the moment: s3_hadoop fixes and the dashboard thing14:04
toskyI'm personally still fighting with ambari, and babysitting the zuulv3 jobs (the ones for sahara-tests and python-saharaclient can be merged when a openstacksdk regression is fixed)14:04
shuyingyasome patches to fix oozie sharelib dependency issue on Monday. quite busy with downstream stuff. also help a colleague to finish keypair inject task14:05
tellesnobregashuyingya, that patch looks good, I was reviewing it earlier today, will test it out14:06
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shuyingyathanks tellesnobrega.14:06
toskytalking about oozie, I have few questions and a note - can I briefly switch topic, or do we have other more important topics?14:06
jeremyfreudbergyes, i need to review that patch, i do have some comments to give, but it mostly looks good14:06
jeremyfreudbergabout shuyingya's patch i mean14:07
jeremyfreudbergs/shuyingya/shuyingya colleague14:07
jeremyfreudbergtosky, you can talk about oozie if you want14:07
tosky#topic oozie and artifacts14:07
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shuyingyatosky, I saw your comment. but didn't get the two patch together. I am ok to put them together14:08
toskyshuyingya: yes, that was my question :)14:08
toskyif they are so connected (i.e. the first one does not work without the second), it makes sense IMHO to merge them14:08
toskyso that we don't commit something that it does not work14:08
toskyapart from that, if the job passes, I'm fine with merging it (and backporting it, as the queens branch was created14:09
jeremyfreudbergyes, i'd agree that we need the right amount of atomicity/granularity of commits14:09
shuyingyaok. I will move them togrther right now14:09
jeremyfreudbergi am also slightly confused about how it's hadoop-openstack dependenc, but it needs to be added to the oozie build14:09
toskyapart from that, I have some updates on the artifacts; I wrote something on the channel but better also have it in the meeting minutes14:10
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jeremyfreudbergshuyingya, do you have some insight on my question, before we move on?14:11
shuyingyaAnd I can post another new patch to sahara-image-elements to build the 2.8.2 image.14:11
shuyingyajeremyfreudberg typing14:12
jeremyfreudbergshuyingya, no problem, take your time :)14:12
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shuyingyalet's move on. I will answer jeremyfreudberg later14:14
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toskyoki, so briefly: before the switch to zuulv3, and the automatic conversion of the zuulv2/jjb jobs, the artifacts were published to
shuyingyaI need test something to clarify  some filename14:14
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jeremyfreudbergshuyingya: no problem14:15
jeremyfreudbergtosky: continue14:15
toskynow the jobs (legacy, but it would be probably the same with native jobs) publish to
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toskyI asked infra people (namely the poor Monty who I'm nagging a lot lately) how to proceed: whether have a way to publish to the old location, or to add a symlink, or to change the URL where we use it14:16
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toskybecause, of course, it's a new special case, unmet before :)14:17
tellesnobregawe are full of those :)14:17
toskyso that's the story - I'm waiting for this to complete the removal of sahara-files14:17
toskyend of the story14:17
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jeremyfreudberggood story14:17
jeremyfreudbergi think we all agree that having the old url would be great14:18
tellesnobregaI'm not sure monty saw my suggestion, but it makes sense to me (allow to publish if the base name is the same)14:18
toskylet's see what will be the result, but it's moving at least14:19
toskyanything else on the topic?14:19
tellesnobreganot from me14:19
toskyok, I was going for the PTG, or do you have other suggestions?14:20
jeremyfreudbergwe can talk about that next, sure14:21
tellesnobregaptg should be fine14:21
tosky#topic PTG14:21
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tellesnobregaabout the doc stuff, the last meeting we agreed that we should have a pre-PTG doc day14:22
toskymakes sense14:22
tellesnobregaiirc monday and wednesday are the best days for jeremyfreudberg, does that work for you tosky?14:22
tellesnobregaif so we can schedule for next Wednesday14:23
jeremyfreudbergsounds good14:23
toskywhole day? Sure14:23
tellesnobregawe can start early and see how far we need to go14:24
shuyingyaI received a message today that foundation didn't approve my tsp. so I have to attend PTG remotely again.14:24
jeremyfreudbergshuyingya, sorry to hear that14:24
tellesnobregathe idea is to fix simple stuff and have a list of stuff that we need to discuss at PTG14:25
tellesnobregashuyingya, that is too bad :(14:25
shuyingyano worry. I will try to talk with you in channel or etherpad :)14:25
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tellesnobregaanything else on the topic?14:27
toskyapart from doc day, thanks to a lot of brave souls that updated the rocky etherpad, it's definitely a list of work items now14:28
tellesnobregait does14:28
tellesnobregaI believe that brave soul tracks back to jeremyfreudberg14:28
toskybetter remind the link14:28
tellesnobregathanks jeremyfreudberg14:28
jeremyfreudbergi think the etherpad is full enough now, once again it's a packed schedule (but manageable)14:28
tellesnobregawe will do our best14:29
shuyingyaI read it today, really good. I may fill etherpad next week.14:29
shuyingyathanks jeremyfreudberg14:29
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jeremyfreudbergshuyingya: np. look forward to your suggestions too14:29
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toskyany other topic, or open discussion?14:31
tellesnobregaopen discussion and we can talk about the point release of client that jeremyfreudberg talked about14:31
jeremyfreudbergso, tosky can go ahead and change the topic14:32
tosky#topic Open Discussion14:32
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tellesnobregathe floor is yours jeremyfreudberg14:32
jeremyfreudbergso, for context, this is about , proposed patch to sahara-dashboard14:32
jeremyfreudbergyou'll recall that because apiv2 really exists now, and because of how version discovery works, we are recommending new deployments to put an unversioned sahara endpoint in the service catalog14:33
jeremyfreudbergthat poses a tiny problem for the dashboard14:33
jeremyfreudbergnamely, that the way horizon works, is that it gives you some token to authenticate your saharaclient with14:34
jeremyfreudbergour problem is that saharaclient in its current state can take this token input, but for historical reasons only accepts token input with hardcoded sahara endpoint14:34
jeremyfreudbergin other words, it doesn't let token input and version discovery mix14:34
jeremyfreudbergso if the user has unversioned endpoint in the catalog, and no changes to sahara-dashboard, all will fail with 40414:35
jeremyfreudberghope that made sense14:35
jeremyfreudbergthere's two-ish possible solutions:14:35
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jeremyfreudbergfix on the dashboard side, by providing a session object to saharaclient instead, a known and normal case which allows version discovery to work14:36
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jeremyfreudberg2) fix on the saharadashboard side, by allowing direct token input not to require hardcoded endpoint14:36
jeremyfreudbergboth 1 and 2 are equally valid, but with their own set of minor issues14:37
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jeremyfreudbergfixing on dashboard side, the problem is transient dependency on keystoneauth (in horizon requirements but not in s-d requirements), and also that we probably want to make this fix for all users, not just dashboard things14:37
jeremyfreudbergfixing on the saharaclient side, the problem is that we need a new release, and a minimum bump to requirements, and there's potentially red tape there14:38
jeremyfreudbergnote that when we released saharaclient 1.5.0 last week i specifically said not to bother with the bump14:38
jeremyfreudbergand now with 1.5.1 looming i am changing my mind14:39
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, I like the client fix better, but we can talk with release people and see if this is a big no no14:39
jeremyfreudbergoption 2A is fix it on dashboard side, but do it carefully and temporrarily14:39
toskygiven the experimental status of v2, in order to avoid a respin of the stable client and a dependency bump, in the worst case we could simply go for 2) in queens and then 1) in rocky14:40
jeremyfreudbergthat is to say, with big TODOs and FIXME comments, and try/except on the import of keystoneauth just in case something happens and someone magically runs sahara-dashboard separately from horizon14:40
toskyI don't think that there is even a use case of running any dashboard outside horizon14:40
toskythey all relies on core horizon classes14:40
jeremyfreudbergtosky, true14:41
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tellesnobregaI like tosky's idea, but lets make it a priority to fix it asap in rocky14:42
tellesnobregaso we don't forget14:42
jeremyfreudbergi can prepare patches both for client and dashboard, but not rush to release the client, just put some todo in the dashboard to remove unnecessary code when client bump14:42
tellesnobregathat works nicely14:42
toskyalso we need to be careful: the patches would go to sahara-dashboard master; if we want to backport them, we need to manually test the dashboard properly14:43
jeremyfreudbergtosky: the amount of people running pike sahara-dashboard against a new deployment with unversioned endpoint in catalog 'should' be zero14:44
toskybackporting to queens14:44
jeremyfreudbergugh, right, it's already that time14:45
jeremyfreudbergworth noting that this fix should be in before i update the docs and such to recommend unversioned endpoint14:45
jeremyfreudbergnot sure when i want to land that doc patch, actually14:46
jeremyfreudbergwe'll talk about that some other time, though14:46
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jeremyfreudbergwell, it seems like we are all board with what i've said, that's good, usually when i have the floor during the meeting it's for transparency's sake and so you know what the heck i'm actually doing, so good14:47
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tellesnobregathanks for the work there jeremyfreudberg14:48
tellesnobregaanything else to discuss?14:48
toskyapparently not14:49
jeremyfreudbergthat's it from me14:49
tellesnobreganot from me either14:49
tellesnobregawe all get 10 minutes back14:49
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shuyingyano special from my side14:50
shuyingyaI just wanna answer jeremyfreudberg's question14:50
jeremyfreudbergsure - we can do that now, if you want14:51
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shuyingyaI am not sure you still remember we talked about the httpclient ClassNotFound before, when we execute the oozie command, it need a workflow.xml, and it has some properties to specify the input dir and output dir14:52
shuyingyaIf we use swift to store data or j-binary14:52
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shuyingyaI think oozie will use hadoop-openstack to get data from swift14:53
shuyingyawe should provide the depended package in sharelib for oozie.14:55
jeremyfreudbergbut my tricky question, wouldn't the dependent package already be inside hadoop-openstack.jar?14:56
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jeremyfreudbergor i might be wrong14:57
shuyingyawow, let me check :) I didn't realize it14:58
jeremyfreudbergyour fix might be needed, i'm not sure if oozie can find hadoop-opentack.jar in the classpath14:58
jeremyfreudbergit is a tricky thing, for sure14:58
jeremyfreudbergi just wanted to point out my concern so that we are certain about the fix14:58
jeremyfreudberg30 seconds left in the meeting, i don't think will resolve it instantly14:59
tellesnobrega#action shuyingya to make sure the fix is needed and updates us all14:59
shuyingyawill do14:59
tellesnobregasee you all next week, on Wednesday for our pre-PTG doc day15:00
tellesnobregaI will send out an email15:00
tellesnobregathanks tosky for the help running the meeting15:00
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shuyingyasee you :)15:01
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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mlavalleHi there!15:01
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mlavalle#topic Announcements15:02
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mlavalleWe are in the RC1 period of Queens15:03
mlavalleThese are the bugs we are targeting for RC1:15:03
mlavalleWe are in the period of PTL nomination:15:04
mlavalleI will submit my candidacy soon15:05
haleybmlavalle: thanks, i'll vote for you :)15:05
mlavallehaleyb: thanks :-)15:06
mlavalleWe are 4 weeks away from the Dublin PTG15:06
david_chou1mlavalle: I will vote for you too.15:06
mlavallethanks david_chou1 :-)15:07
mlavallemuch appreciated15:07
mlavallegoing back to the PTG, this is the etherpad to submit topics for discussion:15:07
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mlavallehaleyb: you staying in Dublin Friday night of that week?15:08
haleybyes, leaving saturday morning15:08
mlavallecool, let's plan something for that evening :-)15:09
mlavalleany other announcements I might be missing?15:09
david_chou1I can't make to PTG, but Isaku Yamahata from our group will attnd DVR discussion.15:09
mlavallegood to know that he will be there also for that topic15:10
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:10
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mlavallehaleyb: do you want to cover DVR bugs?15:11
haleybmlavalle: sure15:11
haleybthere were no new DVR bugs this week that i saw15:12
haleybwe do have some thing in progress15:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1741411 in neutron "Centralized floating ip Error status" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:12
haleybi will review that today15:13
mlavalleyeah, seems ready for review15:13
mlavalleI will take a look as well15:13
haleyb is another15:14
haleyblet me get bug15:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1728665 in neutron "Removing gateway ip for tenant network (DVR) causes traceback in neutron-openvswitch-agent" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:14
haleybi was going to raise that to high since i've heard other reports and the fix is easy15:14
haleybplus when you get in that state the ovs agent is dead15:15
haleybmlavalle: so i might ask for that to be on rc1 list.  Swami's -1 is old and i think i answered his questin15:16
mlavalleI was about to ask about both things15:16
haleybif i see swami online i'll ask him to look again15:17
mlavallewhat if at that point we move it to RC1?15:17
mlavalledoes that work?15:17
haleybmlavalle: yes, that's fine15:17
haleybmlavalle: and there is of course my on-going bug, 171730215:18
haleybbug 171730215:18
openstackbug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:18
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haleybi am still working on recreating that15:19
haleybit's my white whale as they say15:19
mlavalleis there a logstash search in the bug?15:20
mlavalleI can spend some time looking at logs if that helps15:21
haleybdon't think so, and since we marked it unstable not sure what would show up15:21
haleybmlavalle: +1 :)15:21
mlavallewell, I'll try to take a look and if I see something interesting I will share with you15:22
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haleybthat's all i have for bugs, if any other reviews come together i'll ping you in-channel15:23
mlavalleok, will take a look15:23
mlavalleI understand that this one is closed:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1744359 in neutron "Neutron haproxy logs are not being collected" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:23
mlavalleI just want to formalize the fact in the bug report15:24
mlavalleyou ok if we close it haleyb?15:24
haleybyes, i had thought there would be a follow-on so didn't tag the change correctly15:24
mlavalleok, closing it15:24
mlavallemoving on then15:25
mlavalle#topic Openflow DVR15:26
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david_chou1Still working on the fix for ovs-dpdk with dvr_openflow mentioned last week.15:26
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david_chou1That's all I have today.15:27
mlavalledo you have the patch url handy?15:27
david_chou1Just moment.15:28
mlavalleis this it:
mlavalleok cool15:30
mlavalleI will be looking at it over the next few days15:30
mlavallemoving on15:31
mlavalle#topic Routing traffic based on subnet15:31
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mlavalleThere is a spec in the works for this topic:15:31
david_chou1I didn't submitted my fix yet, since I still work on it.15:31
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic Routing traffic based on subnet15:32
mlavalledavid_chou1: that is ok. I just want to have the code fresh in my mind if we are going to talk about this in Ireland15:32
david_chou1After I submit the patch, I will request your review.15:32
mlavallethat will also be fine15:33
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mlavalleMoving on then15:33
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mlavalle#topic Routing traffic based on subnet15:33
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mlavalleThere is a spec under review for this topic:15:33
mlavalleThe topic has been discussed a couple of times during the drivers meeting15:34
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mlavalleI've been reviewing the spec and think it is still rough on the edges. I think the use cases descriptions need improvement to make the need clear. If you have some cycles available to help with this, please take a look15:36
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:36
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mlavalleany other topics we should discuss today?15:36
* haleyb shrugs, nothing here15:37
david_chou1nothing from me either.15:38
mlavalleok, enjoy the rest of the day15:38
mlavallethanks for the updates15:38
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cdent#startmeeting api-sig16:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  1 16:02:53 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at
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cdent#chair dtantsur elmiko edleafe16:03
openstackWarning: Nick not in channel: elmiko16:03
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko16:03
cdentsorry about the slight delay, lost track of time16:03
cdent#link Agenda
cdent#topic old biz16:03
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cdentthere was no meeting last week16:03
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cdentand the week before had no action items16:04
cdent#topic new biz16:04
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cdent#link action apis thread:
dtantsura chance to say what we think about such actions? :)16:05
cdentthat ^ was a thread on the dev list that invited our input on dealing with "actions" in uris. our input was invited but I think everyone was sufficiently distracted that they mimssed it16:05
cdentsure, if you like16:05
dtantsurprobably not overly constructive though16:05
cdentperhaps, but I do think the thread deserves a bit of attention, even though it is somewhat old now16:06
edleafe\o (sort of)16:06
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elmikosorry, missed the calendar bing16:07
* edleafe is on a phone meeting16:07
cdentelmiko: no worries, the only reason I remembered is because dtantsur was on the ball16:07
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cdentwe were discussing how this thread invited our attention16:07
cdentbe we haven't given it any (yet)16:08
dtantsurI kinda agree that if we do actions, we should make them explicit in the URL16:08
elmikoooh, action resources, my favorite =)16:08
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dtantsurbecause, discoverability, all the things16:08
elmikodtantsur: like explicit url to a resource based action?16:09
dtantsurelmiko: like, using /<object>/actions/<action> not just /<object>/actions16:09
dtantsurI mean, both are evil, but the former is a lesser one IMO16:10
edleafeso are they saying "let's not get tied up with this RESTy stuff"?16:10
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edleafei.e., don't use POST /resource with an action in the body?16:10
dtantsuredleafe: not sure I get you, but they're picking between several non-REST approaches :)16:10
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elmikoimo, i like the idea of tightly scoped urls to define the action, but then having the actions be resources based for tracking and asynch behaviors16:10
edleafedtantsur: yeah, that's my point. They are considering everythine *except* the REST way16:11
dtantsurwhich gets us down the rabbit hole of how to express e.g. a server stop in a restful way :)16:11
mugsiewe track these sort of things as tasks, which are resources in their own right16:12
dtantsurmugsie: right, this is the best approach IMO16:12
mugsie ->
dtantsurbut if we're speaking about existing APIs, this means a complete rewrite16:12
mugsieor ... 2 ways of doing the same thing at least temporarily16:12
elmikoi don't think we should accept the non-resource based style for a guideline simply because it's a lot of old code16:13
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edleafemugsie: what is the conceptual difference between 'action' and 'task'?16:13
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elmikoi know it's a tough pill to swallow, but we can't advise folks to use the non-resource methodology16:13
mugsieedleafe: nothing - it was just our word choise16:14
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dtantsurelmiko: I agree. I'm trying to imagine how we can lead this conversation to not end up with "- You should do X. - No way"16:14
edleafemugsie: ok, that's what I thought16:14
mugsiebut we diud make sure we kept track of old tasks, and they all get an ID, and have a status that progresses as the task /action  is performed16:14
elmikodtantsur: ack16:15
elmikothat's a tough problem to solve, i'm not sure how we make a good guideline without upsetting some folks16:15
edleafeelmiko: I think the approach should be: "Use this RESTful approach. Until you can get there, this non-RESTful approach is the least sucky, so try for that"16:15
elmikoyes, give folks a way to get there16:15
cdentDoes someone want to volunteer to join the thread?16:15
edleafeIOW, never endorse a non-RESTful approach as our recommendation16:16
cdentor even some ones16:16
dtantsuredleafe: that's what I would say, yes16:16
edleafecdent: I guess I can reply16:16
elmikocdent: i can join, might not be today though16:16
dtantsurI can jump on it too16:16
edleafewell, let16:16
edleafelet's not repeat ourselves16:16
edleafewe should really just have one API-SIG response16:17
elmikothat's fair16:17
cdent#action edleafe to jump on the email thread16:17
cdentAny other new biz or open discussion?16:17
edleafecdent: with my knees, I think I'll step lightly :)16:17
cdentit's a soft landing16:18
* elmiko chuckles16:18
cdentOne open discussion topic might be "oh hey, that PTG thing is coming round again"16:18
* dtantsur has applied for a visa.. fingers crossed16:18
cdentyou need a visa dtantsur ? bummer16:19
cdentanybody definitely not going?16:19
dtantsurcdent: sucks to have such a passport :(16:19
elmikocdent: i don't think i'll be there16:19
* dtantsur mumbles something about the foundation considering visas when deciding on a venue16:19
edleafeI'm coming, but IBM is dragging its heels on approving16:19
cdentelmiko: nooooooooooo!16:19
elmikoalthough, i'm willing to video call in if folks would like16:20
edleafeAlready bought airline tix16:20
elmikosorry cdent =(16:20
dtantsurelmiko: it may work depending on the room equipment16:20
edleafeelmiko: video Guinness isn't as good16:20
elmikohaha, yeah16:20
elmikodo we know what days are the api-sig stuff?16:21
cdentyeah, one sec16:21
elmiko(maybe i can make a case for a short journey)16:21
cdent#link ptg sched:
cdentyeah, only a day this time16:21
edleafeelmiko: isn't the airline tix the biggest cost? Or are they worried that you will be slacking off on your day job?16:22
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dtantsurfine, I'll have time to check out the city16:22
dtantsuron Tue, I mean16:22
cdentwithout microversions to discuss, we just don't have that much to say...16:22
elmikoedleafe: little of column a, little of column b16:22
dtantsurcdent: what do you mean by "without"? ;)16:23
dtantsurwe ALWAYS have microversions to discuss16:23
elmikoand not so much slacking, just that our group doesn't do any openstack anymore16:23
edleafeelmiko: so the $$ will be the same. You can just work remote on Tues, Wed, etc16:23
* dtantsur gently reminds about his SDK guideline to bike shed on16:23
elmikoi'll take one more pass at getting approval16:24
cdentdtantsur: I was meaning more that the great existential battles about microversions are behind us16:24
* dtantsur is less optimistic16:24
edleafecdent: We could bikeshed on what to rename "microversions" to!16:24
dtantsurif we ever try to push them to more projects, the past battle will seem just a shadow of the horrible present16:24
cdentthe battles weren't won, people just got fatigued and decided there were better things to do16:24
dtantsuredleafe: !!!16:24
dtantsurdo I remember it right that somebody proposed "microversion everything" as an openstack-wide goal?16:25
cdentI think it has been on the etherpad, but never made it past that16:26
edleafedtantsur: I think that was suggested, but goals are supposed to be achievable in one cycle16:26
dtantsur.. or ever ;)16:27
dtantsurokay then. if it ever becomes serious, we're gonna have a new round.16:27
mugsieand I suspect some projects would just outright refuse to do it :P16:27
edleafeIt does seem odd that the way to ensure that you don't break an API (via microversions) is only possible by breaking your API (by switching to microversions)16:27
dtantsuredleafe: why breaking?16:28
dtantsurI recall us switching quite smoothly (well... from this standpoint)16:28
edleafedtantsur: most projects that have objected have raised breakage as a reason for not wanting to implement16:28
dtantsurwe just declared whatever we had 1.1 or something like that16:28
dtantsurI was objecting because I find it confusing and error-prone16:29
edleafeSome have v1, v2, etc16:29
dtantsurwe had v1, so we just froze it at the point of switch. then we can v1+microversion for newer things16:29
dtantsurbut this is side-tracking a bit, sorry :)16:29
elmikoi wonder if the backward compatiblity nature of microversions scares ppl as well?16:30
cdentregarding the ptg, we should probably prepare some topics16:30
elmikohow about actions?16:30
cdentlet's do that at16:30
cdent#link ptg etherpad
dtantsurand I'm quite serious about microversions in SDKs, it's unlikely we merge them16:30
dtantsurand I'd probably meet people from SDKs before we do anyway16:31
edleafeI think with SDKs we're going to have the same problem as with "capabilities"16:33
edleafeThere are multiple levels that are all being called the same thing16:33
edleafedtantsur tried to separate the definitions16:34
edleafebut it does seem that there is more of a spectrum of SDK focus16:34
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cdentIt's question that's come up a lot, so we can do a service by providing some help with making it a real conversations16:35
cdent#topic guidelines16:35
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cdent#link pending guidelines,n,z16:35
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cdentdoesn't look like anything is ready for freeze, conversations continues on dtantsur's thing (a good starting point for the conversation)16:36
cdentthe schema thing is languishing a bit?16:36
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elmikore: ptg, seems like i'm getting some traction, so keep your fingers crossed16:36
elmikoi said you guys are getting really pushy16:36
cdentmordred's tome will probably come back to life eventually but not clear when16:36
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dtantsurelmiko: we haven't even started ;)16:37
mordredI keep getting distracted by other things16:37
dtantsurmordred: o/ anything to discuss at the PTG?16:37
* elmiko chuckles16:37
cdentelmiko: I think you can tell your boss you owe me a (very expensive) beer16:37
elmikocdent: LOL16:37
mordreddtantsur: I'd loe to chat with you about the sdk/microversion stuff at least16:37
dtantsurmordred: totally! I've proposed a topic on
mordredand would also like to talk with y'all and maybe public cloud folkks about the cloud profile thing I need to update16:38
mordreddtantsur: woot16:38
dtantsurif they don't send me to hell with my visa request ofc..16:38
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cdent#topic bugs16:39
dtantsurmordred: some details would not hurt16:39
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cdent#link bugs
cdentno new bugs, no progress on existing bugs16:39
cdentI reckon winter is the hardest api-sig season16:39
edleafeyes, especially feature FREEZE16:40
* elmiko facepalm16:40
cdent /o\16:40
cdent#topic newsletter16:40
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cdent#link newsletter
cdentany takers?16:41
edleafeI'm doing the email reply, so prolly not me16:41
elmikoi can take it16:41
* cdent cookies elmiko 16:41
elmikoi'll ping folks in like 15-2016:42
cdentanyone have anything to add to the record before I end the meeting?16:42
cdentokay then, thanks everyone for showing up, a pleasure as always16:42
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rkukurahi SumitNaiksatam18:00
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rkukurahi annakk18:01
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: annakk : hi18:01
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:02
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Vancouver Summit prep18:02
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tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: annakk rkukura hi!18:03
tbachmansorry I’m late18:03
rkukurahi tbachman18:03
tbachmanand thanks SumitNaiksatam for the kind reminder ;)18:03
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: not really, just started :-)18:03
SumitNaiksatamannakk: did you have your moment of epiphany with the talk abstract? :-P18:04
annakkI don't seem to have the inspiration. I have some text, but its standard stuff..18:05
SumitNaiksatamannakk: ok np, we still have time18:05
annakkif anyone has an idea of how to craft it so it catches attention, please share18:05
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman: any further thoughts at your end on this topic?18:05
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: alas no18:05
* tbachman just likes saying alas18:06
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: lol, we can try to be positive than that18:06
SumitNaiksatamannakk: whenever you feel comfortable sharing, please do18:06
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SumitNaiksatamand we can provide our input/contribute18:07
annakkI'll share what I have, maybe this will help it evolve18:07
SumitNaiksatamannakk: sure18:07
SumitNaiksatamokay moving on18:07
SumitNaiksatam#topic Pending patches18:07
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SumitNaiksatambefore that, just a quick update on the UI18:07
SumitNaiksatamwhile testing something else, i stumbled on some critical issues with the UI18:08
SumitNaiksatamfor pike that is18:08
SumitNaiksatami put the fixes in two patches and they have merged (thanks rkukura and tbachman for reviewing merging)18:08
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: np!18:08
SumitNaiksatamhopefully this makes the UI usable again, need to watch out though18:09
SumitNaiksatamon that point, annakk any luck getting your CI working?18:09
annakkyes, the nsx driver works with pike18:09
SumitNaiksatamannakk: ok nice18:09
annakkbut i discovered that CI reports success very optimistically :) nee dto fix that18:10
annakknsx CI, that is18:10
SumitNaiksatamah okay18:10
SumitNaiksatambut i am guessing you did not exercise the UI?18:10
SumitNaiksatamok good, so i beat you to it :-)18:10
SumitNaiksatamhopefully you will not see issues when you do18:10
SumitNaiksatamregarding the pending patches18:10
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks for adding the UT, didnt mean to create more work for you, i was just curious18:11
SumitNaiksatamwith reference to this patch #link
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: no, it was a good point18:11
SumitNaiksatami will vote shortly18:11
SumitNaiksatammost of these patches are apic/aim related, so annakk bear with us18:12
SumitNaiksatamkent seems to have gotten this out of WIP18:12
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: you were looking at this and Ivar’s patch #link ?18:13
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I will have some issues to file on Kent’s but probably not until Monday (I’m off tomorrow)18:13
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:14
SumitNaiksatamivar’s patch is still WIP, and so is yours #link
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: anything do discuss regarding your patch?18:14
rkukuraMine could be merged at any point, with followon work to complete it18:15
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: you have workflow -1 on your patch18:16
rkukurabut it will need some cleanup, so probably not until next week18:16
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: how is this validation tool triggered?18:16
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rkukuracurrently, its just python code called from UTs18:16
rkukurabut there will be a basic CLI18:16
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: you CLI that calls a REST API?18:17
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SumitNaiksatam*you mean18:17
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rkukurano, its more like db_manage - it works against the DB18:18
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:18
SumitNaiksatamso the mechanism drvier, plugin, etc modules are used as a “library” by this utility18:19
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SumitNaiksatamthere were a couple of other small patches18:20
SumitNaiksatam“Remove SCREEN_LOGDIR from devstack”18:20
SumitNaiksatamso if you do happen to use devstack, starting with Pike, you will notice, that by default it no longer uses screen18:20
SumitNaiksatamit uses systemctl18:20
SumitNaiksatamhowever in Pike there is still an option to use the older screen based process launching18:21
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SumitNaiksatamwe can merge the above patch on the master, but not for pike18:21
* tbachman noticed that when trying to run devstack on his ubuntu system18:21
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: right18:21
SumitNaiksatami am more used the older model, so i was happy that an option existed to use screen18:22
rkukuraI never used screen18:22
tbachmanAh, good18:22
SumitNaiksatami find it easier to just open the log file in vim18:22
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: there is a setting in the local.conf, ping me if you need it18:22
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: I think there’s an issue b/c of systemctl in ubuntu?18:22
SumitNaiksatambut i guess we need to start getting used to the newer model18:22
tbachmanmeaning theer isn’t one in 14.0418:22
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: oh could be, i am  not aware, i have 16.0418:23
tbachmanso, screen will be helpful18:23
tbachmanin any case, I’ll get that from you at some later point18:23
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: that probably explains18:23
SumitNaiksatamAdd providing groups attribute of rule set in resource map”18:23
SumitNaiksatamanother small patch18:23
SumitNaiksatami think this is fine, i believe we are already populating providing groups in the dict18:24
SumitNaiksatami think that covers most of the pending patches18:24
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:24
rkukuraI was concerned that this defined an attribute but did not implement it18:24
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: its read only, like the other relationships18:24
annakkrkukura: i tested it18:25
rkukurabut is the value actually returned?18:25
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i believe so18:25
rkukuraAnd is it covered by a UT?18:25
SumitNaiksatamannakk: great, thanks18:25
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: agree, it can be added to the UT coverage18:25
rkukuraIf its been there all along and just wasn’t defined in the extension, then this may be all that is needed18:26
SumitNaiksatami think i had checked, but we were not validating other such relationships in the UTs as well, so i wasnt sure if we wanted to enforce in this case18:26
SumitNaiksatamideally we should have been testing all such relationships in the UTs (by UTs I am referring to the API level UTs)18:27
SumitNaiksatami had one tip to share18:27
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SumitNaiksatamperhaps you gusy already know it18:27
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SumitNaiksatamin Heat its possible to pass, what they call, a "value_spec”18:27
SumitNaiksatammeaning, if you have extended a resource, like say in neutron, you extend the network with a custom attribute (we have apic_dn with apic)18:28
SumitNaiksatamyou dont necessarily need to redfine the resource, you can pass a value_spec, which is essentially a key-value pair for that attribute18:29
SumitNaiksatam(thanks to ifti for discovering this)18:29
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tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: yeah, good find18:30
SumitNaiksatamof course you cannot do attribute validation in heat for this, but this is expedient in cases when you cant update the upstream heat resource definition18:30
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: credit goes to Ifti for finding it :-)18:30
SumitNaiksatamalrighty, anything else we want to discuss?18:31
SumitNaiksatamelse we can wrap up in 30 mins :-)18:31
annakknot from me18:31
rkukurame either18:31
SumitNaiksatamannakk: rkukura tbachman: thanks much for joining!18:31
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: thx!18:31
annakkthanks! bye18:31
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