Thursday, 2018-03-15

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tellesnobrega#startmeeting sahara14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 15 14:01:34 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'14:01
tellesnobregaI guess we are all here14:02
tellesnobrega#topic News/Updates14:02
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jeremyfreudbergo/14:02
shuyingyao/14:02
tellesnobregaI'm currently working on plugins split from sahara core, I got a working version, probably need some more work14:02
jeremyfreudbergi'll need to leave a bit early, maybe at 47-48 minutes past the hour, if we make it that far14:03
tellesnobregaI'm also writing the spec for it right now14:03
shuyingyaI would like to introduce a new sahara contributor to you all :) zchkun14:03
tellesnobregathat is great news shuyingya14:03
tellesnobregahi zchkun :)14:03
tellesnobregawelcome14:03
jeremyfreudbergawesome! welcome zchkun14:03
zchkunhi all14:03
toskyo/14:03
jeremyfreudberganyway, for my update, i'm working on the whole "admin manage everything" thing.... it's actually already coming along, i have a working prototype already (that was fast)14:04
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, great to hear :D14:04
toskyI'm testing few patches (by Telles and Elise) that fixes the support for RHEL - and at least one is ready for merge14:04
toskyas news: the storyboard migration is coming... tomorrow14:05
tosky(if there are no issues)14:05
tellesnobregaI think shuyingya just merged the soci* one14:05
shuyingyaI am working on finishing the tasks about hbase support. need install a master branch env to test patches.14:05
jeremyfreudbergshuyingya, thanks for that14:05
shuyingyatosky, cool14:05
toskyor at least he tried to merge, because THE GATES ARE BROKEN!14:05
tellesnobregayes14:05
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toskysome regression happened, infra people are waiting for zuul people14:05
tellesnobregaonce this patch merges I'm proposing a few backports on it14:06
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tellesnobregaany more news? updates?14:07
toskyin case people didn't notice (even if there is a report on the list), yesterday we had the virtual PTG14:07
toskyto complement and complete few points from the in-person PTG14:08
tellesnobregaI was going to talk about it on a separated topic14:08
shuyingy_zchkun try to understand about hadoop 2.8.2 upgrade patches. He is going to do the hadoop 3.0.0 upgrade.14:08
toskyah, oki14:08
shuyingy_does anyone want to work on 2.7.5 upgrade14:08
jeremyfreudbergi can grab it14:09
tellesnobregathanks jeremyfreudberg14:09
shuyingy_if not, I think it would be a great opportunity for zchkun to understand the step to upgrade14:09
tellesnobregaif zchkun has the time and is willing to do it, that would be great14:09
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jeremyfreudbergyeah, i'd say it comes down to who has more time.... although i'm certainly happy to do it14:10
tellesnobregaof course he can do it as a learning step and than work on 314:10
zchkunyes,I have14:10
tellesnobregaso better option is14:10
tellesnobregazchkun, you take upgrade to 2.7.5 and if you need help you can reach out to jeremyfreudberg14:10
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tellesnobregais that ok with you both?14:11
tellesnobregaand shuyingy_ can also help out14:11
jeremyfreudbergthat sounds right to me14:11
zchkunok, no problem14:11
tellesnobregathanks14:11
jeremyfreudbergthanks zchkun14:11
shuyingy_:) thanks zchkun14:11
tellesnobregamoving on to the next topic then14:11
tellesnobrega#topic Dublin/Virtual PTG14:12
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toskyand for the future we should try to support minor versions (x.y.z) more and more for the same x.y of the plugin (if the plugin declares that it does not break the compatibility)14:12
tosky(sorry)14:12
tellesnobregatosky, no problem14:12
tellesnobregathat is true14:12
tellesnobregayesterday we held a virtual PTG to cover the topics that weren't fully covered in Dublin due to jeremyfreudberg not being able to make it (flight cancellations)14:13
tellesnobregathe outcome of that can be found here14:13
tellesnobrega#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-rocky-VIRTUAL-ptg14:13
tellesnobregathe outcome of PTG is here:14:14
tellesnobrega#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-rocky-ptg14:14
jeremyfreudbergyes, and thanks all for participating, i think it was a success14:14
tellesnobregaI have also written a summary of the PTG to openstack-dev, please read and ask question if necessary14:14
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, it was, we can think on working a couple more of those through out the cycle to keep tabs and sync14:15
tellesnobregathings to think about it later on14:15
jeremyfreudbergnot a bad idea14:15
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toskywe can convert most of them in stories (with tasks) from next week, with storyboard14:16
toskyif there is no story/bug yet14:16
tellesnobregatosky, yes14:16
jeremyfreudberg+114:16
toskythe storyboard team will probably implement epics at some point - but for now we should leave just with stories and their tasks14:16
tellesnobregaI guess we can close this topic and move on to talk about storyboard a little14:16
jeremyfreudbergyup14:16
tellesnobrega#topic Storyboard14:17
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tellesnobregaNot sure if you are all familiar with Storyboard, but it will be our new tracking system starting next week14:17
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tellesnobregastoryboard team is working on migrating sahara this friday so we can start monday14:17
tellesnobregabug numbers will remain the same from launchpad14:18
shuyingy_tellesnobrega just my question.14:18
shuyingy_where to find the bug number14:18
tellesnobregaI recommend we all take some time to read storyboard documentation and learn about all the storyboard features so we can make the best of it14:18
tellesnobregashuyingy_, in storyboard?14:18
shuyingy_yes14:18
shuyingy_I should read the storyboard documentation first14:19
tellesnobregashuyingy_, as we all should for sure14:19
jeremyfreudbergyes, and there are new commit message anchors as well14:20
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tellesnobregashuyingy_, if you go to stories, the list shows the number before the name14:20
jeremyfreudbergStory: (which will work the same as closes-bug, i think)14:20
jeremyfreudbergand I think there is Task: as well14:20
jeremyfreudbergnot sure how partial and related bug will carry over (tosky?)14:20
SotKStory: is meant to leave a comment on the story when the patch is sent/updated/merged, Task: updates the task status (to Review, and then to Merged)14:22
tosky(SotK is from the storyboard team)14:22
SotKStory: also links to the story when viewing the commit message in Gerrit14:22
SotK(I say "meant to" as the commenting functionality is currently broken and being investigated)14:22
jeremyfreudberg(we know SotK well from how many times they are accidentally pinged by tellesnobrega )14:22
tellesnobregatrue :)14:23
jeremyfreudbergand the answer on related-bug partial-bug, how it will work on storyboard/14:23
jeremyfreudberg?14:23
SotKI'm not familiar with what those two do in relation to Launchpad14:24
* SotK reads14:24
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tellesnobregabasically they mark a patch partially fixes a bug, it doesn't mark it as done when merged but it shows up as part of the work14:25
SotKsounds similar to what just including Story: and not Task: does14:26
toskywell, maybe it means that we need to create more granular tasks14:26
toskyor what SotK wrote14:26
jeremyfreudbergyes, exactly, the bot will comment about a related patch / partial patch being proposed/merged, but not update the final open/closed result of the bug14:26
jeremyfreudbergso pretty close to what SotK says, in fact14:26
tellesnobregacool14:26
SotKyeah, having more granular tasks would be my recommendation here I think14:26
tellesnobregathanks SotK14:26
tellesnobrega(this time was not accidental)14:27
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SotKsince sb allows you to have more than one task (think bugtask in launchpad) against a given project14:27
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SotKbut either approach is fine, whatever works best for you :)14:27
SotKheh, yw14:27
jeremyfreudbergthanks SotK14:28
toskythanks!14:28
tellesnobrega#action all team to read up on storyboard documentation14:28
tellesnobregalets move on14:28
tellesnobrega#topic Open Discussion14:29
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tellesnobregaI don't have anything specific to discuss here, anyone?14:29
jeremyfreudbergi encourage everyone to vote on the S naming poll14:29
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, yes14:30
jeremyfreudberghttps://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_40b95cb2be3fcdf1&akey=8cfdc1f5df5fe4d314:30
jeremyfreudbergi proposed a few good ones (in my opinion)14:30
tellesnobregaSummit will be held in Berlin, names are mostly in German, but some are nice14:30
jeremyfreudbergyes, this is the first time we will have a name that really feels foreign14:31
jeremyfreudberg(previously we had mitaka and ocata as foreign names but those didn't feel too foreign to me)14:31
jeremyfreudbergany other topics to bring up now?14:32
shuyingy_I don't have anything to talk here :)14:33
toskyyes, just to be sure:  vanilla/2.8.2 image generation, should we merge now and backport to queens? What did we decide? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/542184/14:33
tellesnobregatosky, good question14:33
jeremyfreudbergit would be nice to backport, if that's kosher14:33
tellesnobregawe can merge and backport it14:33
toskyshuyingy_: any comment on ^^ (your patch :)14:34
tosky?14:34
shuyingy_I think it is ready to merge. feel free to +2. haha:)14:35
tellesnobregawe have 2.8.2 on queens, it is best to have it on SIE as well14:35
tellesnobregashuyingy_, done14:35
jeremyfreudberg\o/14:35
shuyingy_thanks, guys14:35
toskyof course, after a recheck when the gates are fixed14:35
tellesnobregaactually, my patch merged, so it might be fixed14:36
tellesnobregalets see14:36
toskyoh14:36
toskyit depends on the job14:36
toskydevstack jobs (for sure devstack-tempest jobs) are affected14:37
jeremyfreudbergthe gate queue for SIE is basically a no-op, it's just pep8 (everything else is non-voting and therefore excluded)14:37
toskyright14:37
toskyoki14:37
tellesnobregaanything else for today?14:37
jeremyfreudbergnothing from me14:38
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shuyingy_me neither14:39
tellesnobregatosky?14:39
toskynothing from me14:40
tellesnobregaI guess we can close for tday14:40
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, we did make it in time :)14:40
shuyingy_see you14:40
jeremyfreudbergyup14:40
jeremyfreudbergthanks all14:40
toskyo/14:40
tellesnobregathanks all14:40
tellesnobregasee you14:40
tellesnobrega#endmeeting14:40
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 15 15:00:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
mlavalleHi there!15:00
haleybhi15:01
mlavalleback to normal haleyb?15:01
mlavalleafter the storm15:02
haleybif normal is 5 foot snow banks at every intersection, perfectly normal :)15:02
mlavallehopefully this is the lst storm of this season15:02
mlavalleSpring starts next week15:03
haleybsupposed to be another next week, only 8" of snow maybe15:03
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haleybgroundhog did see its shadow15:03
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:03
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mlavalleOur next milestone is Rocky-1, April 16 - 2015:04
mlavalle#link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html15:04
mlavalleI posted the PTG summary here:15:05
mlavalle#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128183.html15:05
mlavalleAny other announcements?15:06
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mlavalleok15:08
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:08
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mlavalleGoing through DVR bugs in launchpad, we have some15:10
mlavalleFirst is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171730215:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:10
haleybyes, a couple of new ones from last week too15:10
mlavalleany progress on this one?15:11
haleybno progress.  i need to rebuild my setup to try again15:11
mlavallelet me know if I can help15:11
mlavalleIf you feel too swamped and are willing to give me some guidance, I can take a shot at it15:12
haleybif you have cycles and a multinode setup just trying to recreate it would help15:12
mlavalleI have a multinode setup, but without DVR15:13
mlavalleI can start adding DVR and HA to it though15:13
mlavalleNot necessarilly swiming in available cycles, but I can try15:14
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mlavalledo you have any sort of scripts that you use to create your environment?15:14
mlavalleIf you do, if you share them with me, I'll adapt them to the Vagrant scripts I use15:14
haleybjust the regular dvr config, don't have a simple HA one15:15
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mlavalleok, I will see what I can do. Most likely, I will bug you with questions :-)15:16
haleybnp, thanks for helping15:16
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mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171539515:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1715395 in neutron "FWaaS: Firewall creation fails in case of distributed routers (Pike)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:17
mlavalleIs this the one that Swami was working with SridarK?15:18
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/501570/15:18
haleybyes, swami updated that15:19
mlavalleok, cool, let's keep an eye on that patch15:20
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171146315:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1711463 in neutron "TestNetworkBasicOps.test_network_basic_ops failed with "Timed out waiting for 172.24.5.8 to become reachable"" [High,Confirmed]15:21
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mlavalleDoesn't seem that much has happened with this one since August15:23
mlavalleso I'll take a look over the next few days and decide what to do with it15:23
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160840015:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1608400 in neutron "Neutron should not add ARP entry for allowed-address-pair-fixed-ip in DVR router" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:25
mlavalleThere is a fix proposed for it here:15:25
mlavalle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550676/15:25
haleybi reviewed that over the past week+, looked good, just needs another reviewer15:26
mlavalleit has a +2 from haleyb. Thanks! I will look at it fter the meeting ends15:26
mlavalleyeap, I'll review it15:26
mlavalleso those were the bugs I had15:26
haleybthere were two more15:26
haleybhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/175524315:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1755243 in neutron "AttributeError when updating DvrEdgeRouter objects running on network nodes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Daniel Gonzalez Nothnagel (dgonzalez)15:27
haleybthat is in progress, just updated, but needs a test15:27
mlavalleahh, from "Danny el pregunton"15:27
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haleybit might be a different daniel15:28
haleybi think15:28
mlavalleyeah, you are right15:28
haleybhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1753434 is the other one15:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1753434 in neutron "Unbound ports floating ip not working with address scopes in DVR HA " [Undecided,Confirmed]15:28
haleybthat needs further triage to see if it's fixed on master15:29
mlavalleit's DVR and HA, right?15:30
mlavalleso since I will be working with DVR + HA, I'll take a look at it :-)15:30
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haleybyes, thanks15:30
haleybthat's the only dvr bugs i had15:31
mlavalleok, cool15:31
mlavalleI don't have any more bugs15:31
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mlavalleeither15:31
mlavalle#topic Port Forwarding15:32
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mlavalleOn this topic, I just want to point out that there are two WIP patches already:15:33
mlavalle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533850/15:33
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mlavalle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/535647/15:33
mlavalleThey are still too green15:34
mlavalleI just wanted to give the team early visibility of them15:34
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:34
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mlavalleAny other topics we should cover today?15:34
mlavalleok, thanks for attending haleyb15:36
mlavalle#endmeeting15:36
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mlavallehaleyb: 8 inches of snow is more that we got in Dublin, right?15:36
haleybmlavalle: ack, have a good one15:36
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haleybmlavalle: yes, and some of this will melt, already lost about 6 inches from sun15:37
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mlavalle8in is not a major disruption in MA, right?15:38
mlavallelife continues normally15:38
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haleybonly if it happens at rush hour, otherwise just fodder for coffee talk :)15:39
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elmiko#startmeeting api sig16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 15 16:00:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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edleafe\o16:00
elmiko#chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur16:00
openstackWarning: Nick not in channel: cdent16:00
dtantsuro/16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko16:00
elmiko#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda16:01
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cdentsigh. tc again16:01
elmikowelcome, sir16:01
elmikonp16:01
elmiko#topic previous meeting action items16:01
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elmikoi missed last meeting, looks like no action items?16:02
dtantsurwell, continue with the PTG items16:02
elmikoack16:02
elmikoany status on those?16:02
edleafeI haven't done mine yet16:02
edleafejust finally published my PTG blog yesterday :)16:02
cdenti have a question about one of mine, but it is listed elsewhere in the agenda16:02
dtantsurI have updated the versions-in-SDKs guideline16:03
elmikofair16:03
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dtantsuraccordingly to what we discussed back then16:03
dtantsur* according16:03
elmiko++16:03
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edleafedtantsur: have it open in a tab, only got through the first two paragraphs so far16:03
dtantsurah, the ones that were not changed :D16:04
edleafeheh16:04
elmikoi need to review mugsie's stuff still, i will get that in the next week16:04
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elmiko#topic open mic and ongoing or new biz16:05
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elmikoanyone wanna comment on what is missing from the http methods doc?16:05
elmiko#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/http.html#http-methods16:05
edleafecdent: was that yours?16:06
cdentyeah16:06
cdentso I had an action to write up a field guide to the http methods16:06
cdentand went to check what we already had, which is pretty complete16:07
cdentso thought I would check to see what's missing before I try to fix anything16:07
elmikothat sounds worthwhile to me16:07
edleafeare you thinking like a high-level summary?16:07
cdentwell I dont know, because it is already a pretty high level summary16:07
edleafesomething like "You want to update a foo. You should do it this way: ..."16:07
cdentso I'm wondering if maybe nothing needs to be done16:07
elmikokinda sounds like that16:08
elmikomaybe increase the visiblity for that section?16:09
edleafeNothing is jumping out at me16:09
cdentI still have a different action which is a sort unabridged table of contents to the guidelines, which would probably help the visibility problem16:09
elmiko++16:10
cdentIf we think the content that's currently there for methods is okay, I'll focus on the different actin instead16:10
elmikoshould we take an action to review that section for content?16:10
cdentseems like a good idea16:10
dtantsurat least some grouping of the list of guidelines16:10
elmiko#action everybody read the http-methods guideline with an eye for missing content16:11
elmikoor should we make it hte whole http doc?16:11
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cdentmay as well be the whole doc?16:12
elmikoi'm good with that16:12
elmiko#undo16:12
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openstackRemoving item from minutes: #action everybody read the http-methods guideline with an eye for missing content16:12
elmiko#action everybody read the http guideline with an eye for missing content16:12
elmikoany other topics for open mic?16:12
cdentnot from me16:13
elmikomoving right along then16:13
elmiko#topic guidelines16:13
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elmiko#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z16:13
elmiko#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z16:13
elmikoi guess we need some reviews on the microservice and cache-control prs16:14
elmikoand maybe reach out Gilles about the schema thing? (i know that's tied up with the os-api-ref changes too)16:15
elmikoany other thoughts or comments here?16:16
dtantsurI might have missed some comments (e.g. IIRC cdent's) while updating my spec - please lemme know if they still apply16:16
cdentUnless someone wants to pick it up, we could consider abandoning sean's microversion history doc16:16
edleafeNone, other than when things get busy, my focus on the API-SIG stuff suffers16:16
dtantsurit's the case for all us, I guess16:16
elmikoi can take an action to look at sean's doc16:17
* mlavalle would like to ask question at the end of the meeting16:17
elmiko#action elmiko review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444892/ for relevance16:17
elmikomlavalle: sure thing16:17
dtantsurI dunno how I feel about that doc...16:18
edleafemlavalle: we now charge $5 to ask a question16:18
* elmiko chuckles16:18
mlavalleLOL16:18
dtantsurit seems a bit like an attempt to provide a justification for the already made decision16:18
elmikodtantsur: please add a comment to the review =)16:18
dtantsurhehe16:18
dtantsuryep, will do16:18
elmikothanks!16:18
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elmikoimo, sometimes it's nice to have the engineering history captured for newcomers to read up on, but i get what you are saying dtantsur16:19
edleafedtantsur: yeah, I remember a summit session or blog post or something like that from Sean that started this line of microversion explanation16:19
edleafeIt was more to explain *why* those decisions were made for those who came later16:19
elmikoi think that is worthwhile info to capture16:20
edleafeImagine if the US Founding Fathers had bothered to do that :)16:20
dtantsurlol16:20
elmikoi /may/ not be the best person for keeping that history from the doc, but i can at least review it and see if we can get there16:20
dtantsurwell, I'd prefer it also covered downsides...16:20
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cdentwoot, missed doing that16:21
elmikogiven the preference for microversions, is there a situation where we could actually advise a project *not* to use them?16:21
edleafedtantsur: wait - microversions have downsides?16:21
edleafe:)16:21
elmikoedleafe: ++16:21
dtantsurLOOOL16:21
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dtantsurelmiko: API barely ever changes?16:22
elmikoi'm cool with pointing out the downsides if we agree that in some cases we could advise that path16:22
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elmikodtantsur: yeah, seems like more work for little gain there16:22
dtantsurwell, the downsides (like complex implementation or being confusing as hell) exist even if we don't have better alternatives16:22
elmikowell, let's discuss it on the review. i think it would be good to capture this conversation there16:22
dtantsuryep16:23
elmikotrue16:23
elmiko#topic bug review16:23
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elmiko#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=016:23
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elmiko#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-sig/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=016:23
elmikoanything new here?16:23
elmikoi guess just the cache-control stuff16:24
elmikobut we are addressing that with the guideline?16:24
cdentdtantsur: speaking of complex microversion implementatins, you should totally lend your review to my active changes on microversion-parse16:24
elmiko++16:24
dtantsurcdent: /me adds to gertty16:24
elmikoanything else to say on bugs?16:25
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elmikook then16:25
elmiko#topic open mic, round 216:25
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elmikomlavalle: the floor is yours16:25
mlavallecdent was very nice to respond to our question here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128023.html16:26
mlavallethe implication is that Neutron has a buggy API as far as filters16:26
mlavallewe are going to fix it16:27
elmikonot buggy, non-conforming to the guidelines ;)16:27
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mlavalleyeap16:27
elmikoand glad to hear it is helping provide a direction =)16:27
mlavallethe question is. Should we keep the previous API behavior?16:27
mlavallein other words, make the fixed one configurable and dicoverable16:28
edleafeIt can be a bug if the user thinks they are requesting things, but there is a typo and the server returns something other than what was expected16:28
mlavallebut let the user keep the previous one16:28
elmikowouldn't you need to keep the old for historical microversions?16:28
elmikoedleafe: good point16:28
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edleafeelmiko: if it's considered a bug, you should *not* keep the old behavior16:29
edleafeif it's considered a feature (flexibility!), then yes, you need to keep that option16:29
mlavallewe don't have bugs reported against the current behavior16:29
mlavallewe discovered the way it is behaving and want to make it consistent16:29
elmikoedleafe: 100% agree16:30
mlavallewith the guidelines16:30
elmikoso, i guess this kinda turns it back around to edleafe's point16:30
mlavalleso I am thinking that we should give users a way to keep the old behavior if they want to16:30
elmikois the old behavior considered buggy, even if none have been reported?16:30
edleafemlavalle: so is anyone *depending* on the current behavior that you know of?16:30
elmiko++16:30
mlavalleedleafe: we don't really know, but we don't want to potentially break tooling that accounts for the current behavior16:31
elmikothat sounds like a strong case for keeping it16:31
mlavalleyes, that's what I thought16:32
edleafeyou'd have to get the input from the tooling maintainers on that, then16:32
cdentI'm trying to imagine the tooling that adapts and I suppose things that do dynamic query generation might be impacted16:32
cdentmlavalle: what's the cost of keeping it?16:33
edleafeSo here's what I see: there is a valid parameter named 'foo', but a tool is now calling the API with 'f00'. You make the change, and all of a sudden they are getting 400s back. This makes them investigate, and that should reveal the bug on their side16:33
edleafeThey fix it, and everyone's happy16:34
mlavalleI don't the cost is much16:34
cdentedleafe: unless that tooling is on some locked down enterprisey system that can't change easily16:34
edleafecdent: sure, but then it's potentially a lot more serious, too16:35
cdentbut from their perspective it's been working (in a twisted sort of way)16:35
cdentI actually agree with you though I think we should break broken code more often than we do16:35
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dtantsurheh16:36
dtantsurwell, I can imagine people passing a wrong parameter just because somebody left it there 3 years ago..16:36
elmikototally16:37
elmikomlavalle: so, has this helped? XD16:38
mlavalleyeah, I guess we will give the user the option to keep the current behavior16:38
mlavalleand we are going to document the change profusely16:38
mlavalleso it becomes visible16:38
cdentmlavalle: out of curiosity how will you control that?16:39
edleafemlavalle: would it be possible to default to the new behavior, with the option to specify the old behavior?16:39
mlavallewe have the extensions mechanism in Neutron16:39
mlavalleso I am thinking of encapsulating the new behavior in an extension16:39
mlavalleand that's a pretty good idea edleafe :-)16:40
dtantsurwhy not microversion it? :)16:40
dtantsurI mean, if you default to new behavior, this is equivalent to removing the old completely16:40
edleafemlavalle: yeah, that way any new stuff written against the API will get the correct behavior16:40
elmikoyeah, i'd think microversion > extensions, per the guidelines16:40
mlavallewe don't handle microversions in Neutron16:40
elmikoah16:41
dtantsurbecause if people update their software to opt-out, they can well update it to stop relying on the old behavior16:41
dtantsuror am I missing something?16:41
* cdent puts on his sales ties16:41
* elmiko chuckles16:41
cdentIf there ever comes a time when you might need microversions, consider microversion-parse™ for all your microversion needs16:41
elmiko++16:41
mlavallecdent: will do....16:42
edleafe...and if you order now, we'll throw in this set of steak knives!16:42
mlavallethis has been helpful16:42
mlavallehow do I pay the $5?16:42
mlavallefee16:42
elmikoedleafe: LOL16:42
cdentcanadian beer16:42
edleafedtantsur: well, that goes to cdent's point about we don't break stuff enough16:42
elmikocdent: ++16:43
edleafemlavalle: send me some bitcoin16:43
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mlavalleok, I'll buy you guys a beer in Vancouver16:43
elmikoooh, now i have to get to vancouver!16:43
* dtantsur will skip Vancouver16:43
elmikook, anything else on this topic?16:44
mlavalleor at the first ocassion I see you... how about that?16:44
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mlavalleNo, I'm done, thanks16:44
elmiko++16:44
cdentdtantsur: :(16:44
elmikothanks mlavalle for bringing this up =)16:44
* edleafe will drink dtantsur's beer for him16:44
elmikoagreed with cdent16:44
elmikolol16:44
elmiko#topic weekly newsletter16:44
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elmiko#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter16:45
elmikovolunteers?16:45
cdentI haven't done it in a while16:45
cdentso I'm happy to do it16:45
elmikowinner winner, chicken dinner!16:45
elmikothanks cdent16:45
elmikothanks everybody16:45
elmiko#endmeeting16:45
dtantsur:D16:45
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cdentI shall fix a beverage and then ping for proof16:46
elmikocdent: sounds good!16:46
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: annakk: hi18:00
annakkhi!18:00
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: hi!18:00
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tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: I saw that the summit schedule was posted for Vancouver18:00
SumitNaiksatamannakk: sorry, i should have sent email reminder about the time18:01
annakknp18:01
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annakkour talk was rejected :)18:01
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: hi18:01
annakkjust received an email18:01
SumitNaiksatamannakk: :-(18:01
rkukurahi18:01
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 15 18:01:48 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy'18:01
annakkhi rkukura!18:01
SumitNaiksatam(continuing the discussion about summit)18:02
SumitNaiksatamannakk: did you have any other talks?18:02
annakkno18:02
SumitNaiksatambummer, but thats fine, its still in your backyard so you can attend regardless :-)18:02
annakkyes, hope to see you all there as well!18:03
SumitNaiksatam#topic Master branch gate breakage18:03
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SumitNaiksatamso I think this change is something that is causing an issue:18:03
SumitNaiksatam#link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/4a0200a2d4e9fdedfc1b74c12330b3b4ee1a70ed18:03
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SumitNaiksatami am wondering if we have to do the same thing in our project18:04
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: seems likely18:05
SumitNaiksatamso i will try it out, but hopefully the stable branches are not blocked (after anna’s patch was merged)18:05
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SumitNaiksatam*anna’s patches on the stable branches18:05
SumitNaiksatam#topic Pending patches18:06
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SumitNaiksatamhappy to see this new driver patch from anna’s team:18:06
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/55290218:06
SumitNaiksatamannakk: if you feel comfortable we can quickly discuss this now18:07
SumitNaiksatambut no pressure we can do it later as well on gerrit18:07
annakksure, just some context - the nsx policy platform is out with new version18:08
annakkold version APIs were marked experimental, so we'll not support them with gbp going forward18:08
SumitNaiksatamannakk: thats fine18:08
annakkthere were some significant changes on platform side, so we'll do some refactoring in gbp driver and in nsxlib which wraps platform apis18:09
SumitNaiksatamannakk: okay18:09
SumitNaiksatamannakk: you will be enabling the NSX gate job on the master branch?18:09
annakkthat's challenging, since gates are assuming that all components share same branch18:10
annakkbut hopefully we'll do that18:10
SumitNaiksatamother option is you immediately backport to stable/pike while still in review18:10
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SumitNaiksatamthat way we can see the result on stable/;pike18:10
annakkyes, that's the plan for now18:10
SumitNaiksatamokay cool18:11
SumitNaiksatamthat works18:11
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rkukuraannakk: Is your plan to move the stable branches to the new API or leave them on the old API?18:11
SumitNaiksatammy understanding is the old driver is being removed from the stable branches as well?18:11
annakkpike will go with new one, probably ocata as well18:11
rkukuraannakk: ok18:12
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SumitNaiksatami know rkukura  is not going to like it, but perhaps if this is not disruptive to anyone i am fine removing it from stable branches as well18:12
* tbachman wonders if there are are a lot of UTs for the old one18:13
annakkfew dozen UTs I think18:13
rkukuraI’m flexible18:13
tbachmank — just thinking whether we’ll save much gate time there :)18:14
annakkI think it should be easy enough to backport everything, hopefully we'll be only touching code under nsx*18:14
SumitNaiksatam(and when i say “rkukura not going to like it” i mean its all for very valid reasons)18:14
SumitNaiksatamthe other big patch pending review is rkukura’s #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529991/18:14
SumitNaiksatamalthough that one is apic specific18:15
rkukuraright18:15
* tbachman needs to review that patch, too18:15
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: sorry for asking again, but you earlier mentioned that your UTs are triggering this for now18:15
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: not sure what you are asking18:16
SumitNaiksatamin a real deployment, how will this validation and repair kick in?18:16
rkukurainitial plan is for a CLI that is run manually, or could be run from cron, etc.18:16
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SumitNaiksatamso those dont need to be part of this patch and/or posted in parallel, so that say, we can exercise it from the AIM gate job?18:17
rkukuraI’m trying to get it to the point where validation would pass for a neutron-only (no GBP) deployment18:17
rkukuraI do think we will want to run it from the AIM job when it is ready to handle everything deployed in that job18:17
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rkukuraI’d prefer to merge the initial version without the CLI, hopefully begining of next week18:18
rkukurathen add the CLI, and eventually call the CLI from the AIM gate job18:18
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: so by that you mean, if GBP is triggering creation of Neutron resources, the current state of the tool will not be able to validate/repair those Neutron resources?18:19
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rkukuraThere are cases where GBP PD modifies AIM resources owned by Neutron resources, and those would fail18:20
SumitNaiksatamokay18:20
rkukuraAnd where GBP creates AIM resources that would be unexpected from Neutron’s point of view18:21
rkukuraone point might be worth mentioning18:21
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rkukurathere is a test_aim_validation UT class that tests that all the various AIM resource types can be validated and repaired18:22
SumitNaiksatamokay18:22
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: so the aim gate job runs an exercise script and cleans up the resources after that18:23
rkukuraBut I am also adding _validate() calls to many existing AIM UTs. These don’t attempt to break/repair anything, just make sure everything passes validation18:23
SumitNaiksatamso potentially you could your own testing after that18:23
SumitNaiksatam*could add18:23
rkukuraThese _validate() calls will add some execution time to those UTs, but I think this is better than duplicating complext scenarios in the test_aim_validation UTs18:24
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: In the AIM gate job, I think the main goal would be to make sure things we already do pass validation, not necessarily to test repairs. That might be added later.18:25
SumitNaiksatamso keeping in mind the running time of the py27 gate job, if adding this validation tips it over, it might be something you can consider adding to the aim gate job instead18:26
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: Agreed, but we need to make sure UTs catch changes that would break validation when possible18:27
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SumitNaiksatamgood point18:27
SumitNaiksatamthe other patches we have in review are related to the effort around integrating with SFC but still centered around apic18:27
SumitNaiksatamthese are mostly bug fixes18:27
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:28
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SumitNaiksatamanything else we need to discuss today?18:28
annakknot from me18:28
tbachmanI’m good18:28
SumitNaiksatami was working on optmizing the execution time of at least one of our critical functions18:29
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SumitNaiksatamhad a good chat with rkukura  on taht18:29
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: Any chance we’ll be able to get either more CPU cores or more time for stable branch gate jobs?18:29
SumitNaiksatamwas surprised some of the unnecessary things we do18:29
SumitNaiksatamwill report more details next time around18:29
SumitNaiksatamthings will can run in milli seconds are running in the order of seconds18:29
SumitNaiksatamanyway18:29
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: honestly, i have never tried18:30
annakkSumitNaiksatam: sounds promising!18:30
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SumitNaiksatami have a physcological barrier asking that question :-(18:30
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: We definitely treat the stable branches differently than other projects, so I understand18:31
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman lets discuss that when you guys here, next week?18:32
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: we’re there the following week18:32
tbachmanthe week of the 25th18:32
rkukuraright18:32
SumitNaiksatamah okay, cool18:32
SumitNaiksatamalrighty, lets wrap up for today then18:32
rkukuraMonday-Thurday for me18:32
SumitNaiksatamthanks for joining18:32
rkukuraThursday18:33
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tbachmanrkukura: sam18:33
tbachmansame18:33
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: thx!18:33
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman great18:33
SumitNaiksatambye!18:33
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:33
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rkukurabye, and thanks18:33
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annakkbye!18:33
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