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| raildo | #startmeeting oslo-config-plaintext-secrets | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 5 15:00:34 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raildo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo_config_plaintext_secrets' | 15:00 |
| moguimar | o/ | 15:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 15:00 |
| moguimar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-config-plaintext-secrets | 15:00 |
| raildo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-config-plaintext-secrets | 15:00 |
| moguimar | first =P | 15:00 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 15:01 |
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| raildo | ping dhellmann, spilla, bnemec | 15:01 |
| moguimar | spilla is here already | 15:01 |
| raildo | ops | 15:01 |
| spilla | np :D | 15:01 |
| bnemec | o/ | 15:02 |
| raildo | #topic Current status | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:02 | |
| raildo | so, based on our work items list in that etherpad, the items 1-6 are "done" just waiting for reviews | 15:03 |
| raildo | so, would be great to get any review on those patches | 15:03 |
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| raildo | so it still remaining to do the last topics from 7 to 9 | 15:04 |
| moguimar | the remaining working items are | 15:04 |
| moguimar | 7 - examples generator | 15:04 |
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| moguimar | 8 - caching external values | 15:04 |
| moguimar | 9 - documentation | 15:05 |
| moguimar | 7 - sample generator* | 15:05 |
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| raildo | also, I forgot, please welcome redrobot :) or for the humans, Doug Mendizabal, he was a Barbican PTL a few cycles ago, and whe joined Red Hat recently and will be helping us on this feature as well :) | 15:06 |
| redrobot | thanks for the introduction, raildo! :D | 15:06 |
| spilla | o/ redrobot | 15:06 |
| redrobot | hi everyone! 👋 | 15:07 |
| raildo | so, as far as I understood, the item 7 looks to be easy to be done, we just need to add the ini driver in the _list_options_for_discovery() | 15:07 |
| moguimar | so, in order to close phase 0, can we finish those 3 items and go through reviews this week? | 15:08 |
| moguimar | is it feasible? | 15:08 |
| raildo | moguimar, since we're dealing with this stuff as a kind of "feature branch", I believe that we will need to ask for a Feature Freeze exception, for all the patches, but any review is appreciated at any moment :) | 15:09 |
| raildo | bnemec, do you know any detail about the item 8 in that list, that can help us? "add a separate cache for values coming from external sources" | 15:10 |
| raildo | bnemec, I saw that we have some cache definition in the cfg file, but it's focus on cache the cli options, that can be reuse somehow to point for external options? | 15:11 |
| raildo | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/master/oslo_config/cfg.py#L2940-L2952 | 15:11 |
| raildo | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/master/oslo_config/cfg.py#L2280-L2336 | 15:12 |
| bnemec | This was the option cache that gets invalidated when the mutable config functionality is activated. | 15:12 |
| raildo | ah, got it | 15:12 |
| bnemec | We needed a separate one for drivers because we were not going to support mutability in the initial implementation. | 15:12 |
| bnemec | I would guess this was referring to https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/master/oslo_config/cfg.py#L2366 | 15:13 |
| raildo | bnemec, right | 15:14 |
| raildo | #topic Talk about option=value -> option=reference | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Talk about option=value -> option=reference (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:15 | |
| raildo | moguimar, ^ | 15:15 |
| moguimar | ok | 15:15 |
| moguimar | right now we only fetch values from external sources that are not declared in the local ini files | 15:16 |
| moguimar | at some point we talked about having | 15:16 |
| moguimar | [some_group] | 15:16 |
| moguimar | password="secrets:{ref-id-to-external-source}" | 15:17 |
| moguimar | but then how do we know that an option value is a reference instead? | 15:17 |
| moguimar | we came up with: the prefix should be "group_name:" | 15:18 |
| moguimar | where group_name was defined in | 15:18 |
| moguimar | [DEFAULT] | 15:18 |
| moguimar | config_sources=group_name | 15:18 |
| moguimar | and then, oslo.config will poke that source directly instead of trying to retrieve the value from the list of sources | 15:19 |
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| moguimar | in case we have the ref | 15:19 |
| moguimar | thoughts on this? | 15:19 |
| bnemec | So this would just be a short-circuit for the normal source search process. | 15:20 |
| moguimar | yep | 15:20 |
| moguimar | as some external sources relly on a key to fetch some value | 15:20 |
| moguimar | the we will have | 15:20 |
| moguimar | option="group_prefix:external_key" | 15:21 |
| moguimar | instead of the option value itself | 15:21 |
| moguimar | one question that I had is, will it work with all the option types? | 15:21 |
| moguimar | like int, float, boolean? | 15:21 |
| moguimar | if we try to parse the value for a reference before doing the type conversion | 15:22 |
| moguimar | something like, does value contains ':'? and if so, is prefix in external sources? | 15:23 |
| * dhellmann slips in the back late | 15:23 | |
| dhellmann | why do we want to have a special syntax to refer to a secret? | 15:24 |
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| moguimar | since the castellan driver will require an id to retrieve the value | 15:25 |
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| dhellmann | we talked about having those IDs in a separate file, mapping option names to IDs | 15:25 |
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| dhellmann | one of the main points of doing this work using drivers was to avoid having special syntax | 15:25 |
| bnemec | I would much prefer that over magic syntax. | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | you're all focusing on the secret store aspect of this, but there's nothing special about the fact that the first driver will be for castellan | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | in the past we talked about an etcd or hiera driver, for example | 15:26 |
| moguimar | I was thinking about this approach yesterday | 15:26 |
| moguimar | BEFORE nova.conf | 15:26 |
| moguimar | [DEFAULT] | 15:26 |
| raildo | ok, so all the secrets config that castellan will be taking care of will needs to be in external file, and then the castellan will just point for this file with all the references | 15:26 |
| moguimar | ... | 15:26 |
| moguimar | [db] | 15:26 |
| raildo | is that right? | 15:26 |
| moguimar | username=mysql | 15:26 |
| moguimar | password="secret123" | 15:26 |
| moguimar | AFTER nova.conf | 15:26 |
| moguimar | [DEFAULT] | 15:26 |
| moguimar | config_sources=secret | 15:27 |
| moguimar | [secret] | 15:27 |
| moguimar | driver=castelan | 15:27 |
| moguimar | ... | 15:27 |
| moguimar | config_refs="db:username={username_castellan_id}" | 15:27 |
| moguimar | config_refs="db:password={password_castelan_id}" | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | the castellan driver will need to define an option to specify the name of the file that maps config options to config ids. so in that [secret] section there might be a mapping_file option | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | then the castellan driver would read that file and save the results | 15:28 |
| raildo | ok, that should be fine | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | and any time it is asked for an option value, it would do the lookup it needs to figure out what ID that means and then call the backend with that value instead of the option name | 15:28 |
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| moguimar | so basically the same idea of this config_refs example but in a different file | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:29 |
| moguimar | good | 15:30 |
| raildo | #topic FFE deadline to request? | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FFE deadline to request? (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:30 | |
| bnemec | Although I wonder if we want config_refs, or just have the mapping file duplicate the structure of the main conf file. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | I think when we talked about it before we said we'd just use configparser for that file, so the format would look the same and group names and option names could map in the same way | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | right, what bnemec said :-) | 15:30 |
| bnemec | Yeah, the less syntax we have to invent the better. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | so | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | [db] | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | password=password-id-value | 15:31 |
| moguimar | agreed | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | that also isolates the "specialness" of the value mapping to the driver, and makes it the driver's responsibility to deal with it, instead of ConfigOpts | 15:32 |
| moguimar | that's what I thought codewise | 15:32 |
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| raildo | dhellmann bnemec do we already know the dates for FFE, so we can be aware of that? | 15:32 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | I don't see a specific oslo FFE date on the schedule | 15:33 |
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| dhellmann | the final release date is week R-6, which is in 5-6 weeks from now | 15:34 |
| bnemec | I vaguely recall that we froze oslo two weeks before general feature freeze. | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | that sounds about right | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | so that would be R-7 | 15:34 |
| raildo | ok, so let's working with something like Jul 09 - Jul 13 | 15:34 |
| bnemec | As anything that landed after that had little chance of being integrated into other projects anyway. | 15:34 |
| bnemec | Right. | 15:34 |
| raildo | ++ | 15:34 |
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| raildo | I'll prepare something email proposing the FFE for this feature, and explaining the reasons and the remaining work and I'll send to the openstack-dev mailing list | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | I will go through all of the existing reviews 1 more time today. Unless there are issues, we should do any additional work in new patches in the series. | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | well, you don't need an FFE if you get the work done by Jul 9 | 15:35 |
| bnemec | raildo: There's no FFE needed. We haven't reached feature freeze. | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | you would need an extension *after* that point | 15:35 |
| raildo | ah, ok | 15:35 |
| raildo | so, that should be fine :) | 15:36 |
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| raildo | #topic open discussion | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | yep, just keep working away :-) | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:36 | |
| raildo | anything else folks? | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 15:36 |
| moguimar | I'm cool | 15:36 |
| raildo | so, thanks everyone and have a awesome week! | 15:37 |
| raildo | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:37 | |
| moguimar | o/ | 15:37 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 5 15:37:22 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-06-05-15.00.html | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-06-05-15.00.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-06-05-15.00.log.html | 15:37 |
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