Wednesday, 2018-06-06

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witek#startmeeting monasca15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  6 15:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)"15:00
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dougszhey all15:00
joadavisGood day15:00
witekcongratulations joadavis ! :)15:01
joadavisah, thanks, you must have heard about my new family addition. :)15:01
witekwe have few items in agenda today15:02
witeklet's start15:02
witek#topic reviews15:02
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witekI quickly went through it15:03
witekhave just given +115:03
witekmore reviewers very welcome15:04
witekand if not, joadavis feel free to merge if you think it's ready15:04
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joadavisI've been through it with Ashwin and think it is ready to merge, but it is big enough that any additional eyes are welcome. Thanks for looking at it15:05
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witekthat's pretty straight forward15:06
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joadavisyes, I'd meant to throw and on the list as well.  All seemed reasonable to me15:07
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witekthanks joadavis15:08
witekin general we have some backlog of changes in review15:08
joadavisI attempted to tox test 565165 but it failed to set up correctly on my devstack, and didn't have time to debug why15:08
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pandy_Hi All15:09
mayankkapoorHi everyone15:09
witekit would be great, if we could invest some more time in reviews and try to get them merged15:09
witekpandy_: mayankkapoor: hello15:09
dougszhmm, i also did the joadavis, and it ran all the expected tests15:09
joadavisI suspected it was my system, so didn't see it as a blocker15:10
joadavisif it had passed, I would have +215:10
joadavis'd :)15:10
pandy_would like to know suggestions for deploying monasca on large scale production setup, mainly looking forward handling kafka15:11
joadavisgreetings, pandy_.  Yeah, that's on the agenda15:12
witekpandy_: please hold on, we're on the first agenda item15:12
witekto end up with review topic: I've sent a nomination for dougsz to join the core team15:12
pandy_witek, sure, waiting for my turn15:12
joadavis+1 for adding dougsz :)15:13
witekhe actively contributes to log-api and kolla15:13
witekand reviews actively15:13
jgrassler+1 :-)15:13
witekI see no objections; congratulations dougsz! I'll add you to the list after the meeting15:14
witek#topic monasca-ceilometer publisher15:14
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dougszthank you all :) it's privilege to join. I look forward to helping to keep things moving along15:15
joadavisJust a quick update on that.  The publisher contribution has stalled in ceilometer.15:15
witekYes, I've noticed15:15
joadavisI chatted with two of the Telemetry guys, but was told effectively that ceilometer is in maintenance mode and I could take it up with the tc or take over ceilometer myself15:16
witekwith whom have you talked?15:16
joadavischat history in #openstack-telemetry last week if anyone is curious15:16
joadavisjulien and gordon15:16
joadavisSo I wanted to see if you witek had any sway. :)15:16
witekdoes TC know that?15:17
witekI mean they're adding new publishers theirselves15:17
joadavisI don't know if tc or openstack at large is aware of the lack of developers for telemetry projects15:17
witekprometheus being the recent example15:18
joadavis(and yes, the fact that a new publisher was added two months ago did invalidate that argument)15:18
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joadavisI'm not sure if i just asked the wrong question, or if having the name "monasca" on it automatically gets a negative reaction from the telemetry team. :P15:19
witekI don't know15:19
witekI'll go through the logs15:19
witekcould you point me to them?15:19
joadavisMAy 28 and 29th15:19
witekfor now, I have left you some cosmetic comments in review15:20
witekI though about writing to them on openstack-dev mailing list15:20
witekbut want to read the logs first15:20
witekI think we can sync on this offline joadavis15:21
joadavisthanks.  I have been pondering other long term options, but all would take some work involved that I don't think we have resources to sign up to do15:21
witekany other votes on this?15:21
witek#topic log-api15:22
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witekdougsz: your turn15:22
dougszSo this is pretty close. I've made a monster patch here:
dougszI can split that into two patches if people would prefer - one to add the ElasticSearch repo, and the other for the API15:23
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dougszMy major question is around common code. I started off by trying to factor of common methods from the monasca API into monasca common so that I could use them in the log-API15:24
dougszBut then, after adding a voluptuous schema, I had to change these methods a bit15:24
dougszSo I wonder if I should confine the log-api change to log-api repo, and address the common code in later commits15:24
dougszTo keep things simpler15:25
jgrasslerI'd vote for that (take care of the monasca-common adjustments later).15:25
dougszGoing one step further, I seriously wonder if combining the monasca-api and monasca-log-api might make it easier to maintain15:25
jgrasslerI'm not a huge fan of "let's add this and let's also include that" - it's got a way of never ending :-)15:26
dougszYeah - the change is already pretty big.15:26
witekI understand dougsz meant it for longer term15:26
witekI basically like the idea of joining these two repos15:28
witekwhich would also be valid for events-api15:28
witekbut would prefer to plan it for the next release15:28
dougszsounds good15:29
witekI think it could reduce the maintenance effort15:29
witekother thoughts?15:29
jgrasslerYes. From a packaging point of view, I'm all for it...15:29
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joadavissounds like a good plan15:30
dougszok, cool15:30
dougszSo i will make the log-query-api all in one place, and leave the refactoring for later15:30
witekwe should take a closer look though what issues could occur15:31
witekI mean, when joining15:31
jgrasslerYes. This definitely warrants a spec.15:31
dougszMaybe I can start by throwing some observations into one15:32
witekgood idea15:32
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dougszok, thanks all, that's it from me15:32
witekfolks, please review :)15:33
jgrasslerFor one, operators will no longer be able to separate log and metrics APIs (and given the amount of traffic that goes through them that might be desirable :-)15:33
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dougszit'd certainly be nice to collect use cases. From our point of view, we always deploy them together.15:35
jgrasslerI guess that could be taken care of through the service catalog.15:35
jgrasslerYou just run multiple instances of the unified API services and designate one as "this is for logs" and the other as "this is for metrics"15:36
dougszthat makes sense to me15:36
witeklet's write up a spec for this, so we can go through all this in review15:37
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dougszsounds good, i'll start one15:37
witekthanks dougsz15:37
witek#topic large deployments15:37
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witekpandy_: sorry, that you had to wait15:38
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witekpandy_: so you wanted to have some advice on Kafka configuration, right?15:39
pandy_witek, thanks for adding our topic in agenda, mayankkapoor_ will explain15:39
mayankkapoorSome brief context. pandy_ and I work together in Reliance Jio. Jio is a telecom startup, and we have our own Openstack private cloud.15:39
mayankkapoorIn Inida15:39
witeknice, have we met in Vancouver?15:40
mayankkapoorUnfortunately both pandy_ and I couldn't attend. Harshit from our team was there.15:40
mayankkapoorHe has attended the Monasca update session I think15:41
mayankkapoorSo long story short, we have about 2000 bare-metals running Openstack, and about 200 running Kubernetes now15:41
mayankkapoorOur openstack deployments are 500 nodes each (400 computes, 100 odd storage nodes)15:42
mayankkapoorTill now we haven't enabled ceilometer for VM level monitoring due to scaling issues. We currently run Ocata.15:42
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mayankkapoorWe reviewed Monasca architecture and liked it a lot. So the question is: Would you help point us to configuration and deployment settings meant for large scale clouds?15:43
witekhow do you want to deploy?15:44
mayankkapoorOur current plan is to deploy on bare-metals, running docker swarm15:44
mayankkapoorSome issues with Kafka running on docker swarm have led us to separate out the Kafka cluster and run in on bare-metals directly.15:44
mayankkapoorWe have earmarked 3 bare-metal nodes in our control plane for Monasca15:45
witekmonasca-helm deploys Kafka together with other components in Kubernetes cluster15:45
witekHPE and OP5 use it15:45
dougszmayankkapoor: From my side (StackHPC) we haven't scaled up to anything that size yet, but we're working on a 600 node deployment on the Darwin cluster at Cambridge uni, so we should have some experience in a few months.15:46
witekdougsz: how do you deploy?15:47
mayankkapoorYeah saw the helm chart. Ok we will defn try the helm install and report back.15:47
dougszAt the moment we have a hybrid deployment of Kolla Ansible + some legacy LXC containers15:47
dougszThe Kolla-Ansible deployment should be finished in a few weeks at which point we'll switch over to that entirely.15:47
joadavisAt SUSE we are still deploying to VMs using ansible or crowbar (containers will come soon :) )15:48
witekdougsz: with Monasca included in Kolla?15:48
jgrasslerActually Crowbar uses Ansible, too :-)15:48
dougszYeah that's right15:48
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mayankkapoorWe'll go ahead first with our bare-metal install, and then try the helm install. Thanks for the advice.15:50
witekmayankkapoor: it could make sense to dedicate own node(s) for TSDB15:50
mayankkapoor@witek: ok we can try that. We'll test first and see if there are any bottlenecks.15:51
witekhow many measurements do you plan to collect?15:51
mayankkapoorVery few: CPU, RAM, Storage are the critical ones. Currently we're using the default ones enabled, but will steadily turn unnece metrics off15:52
mayankkapoor*unnecessary metrics off15:52
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mayankkapoorNo further questions for now, thanks for listening15:54
pandy_as mayankkapoor will try helm, also looking for advise to handle kafka with better performance15:55
dougsz mayankkapoor: It'll be interesting to hear how you get on15:55
mayankkapoor@dougz: sure15:55
witekI'll ping OP5 folks, if they can give some advice from their deployment15:55
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witekI'm also very interested in your progress15:56
pandy_witek, thanks, looking forward op5 docs for deployment15:57
witekpandy_: mayankkapoor: thanks15:57
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witek#topic READMEs convertion15:57
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witekit seems we have to convert our main READMEs to rst15:57
witekotherwise we won't be able to create new releases15:58
witekI just noticed I have linked wrong story15:58
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witekthe right one:15:59
witekhere attempt to create one15:59
witekif you have some time please pick up a repo, add a task and convert16:00
witekI have to wrap up now16:00
witekthanks everyone16:00
witeksee you next week16:00
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dougszthanks witek16:01
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pandy_thanks witek, dougsz & all :)16:14
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pandy_witek, please share docs if received from op5 to my mail ID, will ping in person16:15
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dansmith#startmeeting nova-cells17:00
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dansmith#topic bugs17:00
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dansmithany bugs people want to highlight?17:00
mriedemthere was the one yesterday...17:01
openstackLaunchpad bug 1773945 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova client servers.list crashes with bad marker" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Surya Seetharaman (tssurya)17:01
tssuryathe revert fixes it ?17:01
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tssuryaor should we also log if there is a NULL cell_mapping ?17:01
mriedemthe novaclient revert fixes a specific problem in the client17:01
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dansmithyeah, I think it's legit to log an error if the mapping is null so that the operator can fix it up17:02
mriedemand raise 50017:02
dansmithbecause it's legit internal "we screwed up" error17:02
dansmithtssurya: are you going to do that or do you want me to?17:03
dansmithhappy to do it if you want,17:03
tssuryaI can to do it17:03
dansmithbut don't want to steal it away :)17:03
dansmithany other bugs?17:03
tssuryaI mean from my side no17:04
dansmith#topic open reviews17:04
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dansmithso the main one in my head is tssurya's down-cell spec17:04
dansmithwhich is up against the deadline tomorrow, right?17:04
tssuryaI am currently updating it17:04
dansmithokay cool, ping us when it's up so we can make sure to jump on it17:04
tssuryabased on mriedem's comments17:04
tssuryayep thanks!17:05
* bauzas just sits at the back 17:05
dansmithI didn't really have anything else to add to mriedem's comments after our discussion yesterday17:05
tssuryathis one:
melwittthere's my count quotas with placement spec (which needs an update) but, I thought we can't have that because of the lack of type/owner in placement. is that everyone else's understanding too?17:05
tssuryadansmith has already told his opinion17:05
tssuryawould be nice to get the opinion of others17:05
tssuryaI agree its computing intensive17:06
dansmithmelwitt: yeah at this point, I think you're looking at a dependent spec for some placement api changes and can't really see that happening alongside all the stuff we discussed yesterday on the migrator thing17:06
* melwitt nods17:06
dansmithtssurya: let's ping jay after this to get him to weigh in on that17:07
tssuryadansmith: ack17:07
dansmithany other open reviews to highlight?17:08
dansmith#topic open discussion17:08
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mriedemheal_allocations CLI has a +2 from gibi and i just need to get jay to come back on it17:08
mriedemsounds like belmiro might already be using it?17:09
mriedemtssurya: ^?17:09
tssuryait fixed what we wanted to, thanks17:09
dansmithcern is already using rocky, they just don't want to call it rocky17:09
dansmithfrom the sound of it17:09
mriedemtssurya: i also wanted to find out about
tssuryadansmith: well said :)17:09
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mriedemthat was an attempt to optimize the scheduler pulling all instances from all hosts every scheduling request17:09
melwittI was wondering, have we got any info about the nova-net => neutron migration and whether or not it's okay for us to remove some nova-net REST APIs this cycle? or if we should defer those to stein?17:09
mriedemwhich you guys said was slower now17:09
dansmithmelwitt: I thought they said in yvr that they wanted us to wait?17:10
tssuryamriedem: we haven't had time to look at this recently, I will comment on the spec once we apply this17:10
dansmithmelwitt: but that we could do the api bits because they don't use those17:10
mriedemtssurya: i posted some test results in that patch and from my devstack env it didn't seem to make a difference, but i could maybe just need more computes or fake instances to hit the right scale to see a difference17:10
melwittdansmith: tssurya was going to double-check from what I remember last week?17:10
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tssuryamelwitt: for us after I asked belmiro he said he is ok to remove nova-net REST APIs17:10
mriedemyeah i'm also wondering about the nova-net specific APIs17:10
melwittabout whether the api bits are fair game and won't hurt the safety net17:10
melwitttssurya: okay, cool. thanks17:11
mriedemtssurya: has anyone at cern done an actual audit of the impacted APIs?17:11
dansmithwe asked belmiro about apis point-blank in yvr and he said he was cool with it17:11
mriedembecause it's not all os-fping17:11
tssuryamriedem: I pointed the etherpad to him, he said he will comment on each of it17:11
tssuryaI will remidn him again17:11
mriedemah ok17:11
mriedemthat's what i'm looking for, thanks17:11
mriedemlike, os-networks worries me17:11
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mriedemthe various os-floating-ips ones don't since cells v1 didn't support floating ips17:12
mriedemor security groups17:12
dansmithmriedem: none of those apis are enabled for multiple cells, and since they're working on v2, I can't imagine any of them get touched at all17:12
mriedemthis meeting is logged so i can say i warned everyone17:12
dansmithlike os-networks/add . can't possibly do the right thing17:12
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dansmithit won't add it in the right db, nor talk to the right nova-network daemon, etc17:13
mriedemmelwitt: so you're going to drop the -W from my os-fping patch?17:13
tssuryaspeaking of meeting being logged, I know I brought up nova service-list --cell yesterday, but my team wanted to know if there was an easy CLI way of knowing which cell the instance is in17:13
melwittthat's a good point. would still be reassuring the get belmiro's ack on that etherpad if he can spare any time17:13
melwittmriedem: yes17:13
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tssuryamelwitt: he is not here this week, I will ensure he gives his nod on MOnday17:14
mriedemdoes list_cells list instances too with an option?17:14
dansmithwill show the name and uuid of the cell17:14
dansmiththat the instance is in17:14
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tssuryadansmith: oh totally forgot we had that command17:15
melwittthanks tssurya17:15
dansmithokay, anything else?17:16
tssuryanot from me,17:16
tssuryaexcept thanks for the summit time praises17:16
dansmithoh jeez,17:17
dansmithmriedem was just fawning all over you to belmiro17:17
dansmithit was embarrassing17:17
tssuryaI heard you did too ;)17:17
dansmithmaybe :)17:17
tssuryaand so did melwitt17:17
tssuryathanks a lot!17:17
dansmithokay, mushy stuff aside, sounds like we're done...17:18
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