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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  6 15:00:45 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
Swamihi15:01
mlavallehi Swami15:01
tidwellrhi15:01
mlavallehey tidwellr , nice to see you!15:01
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tidwellrmlavalle: I hope to be back more often going forward :)15:01
Swamimlavalle: tidwellr is back15:02
mlavalletidwellr: that's great! do you have a topic to propose today?15:02
mlavallefor discussion today15:02
mlavalle?15:02
tidwellrmostly eavesdropping today15:03
mlavalleok, later I will ask you a question15:03
tidwellrI do have a brief update on "fast-entrance", but nothing else15:03
davidshaHi15:03
mlavallewelcome anyways!!!!15:03
mlavallehi davidsha15:03
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mlavalleok let's get going15:03
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:03
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mlavalleFirt, as you all know, the PTG is next week in Denver15:04
mlavalleIt is my understanding this will be the last PTG15:04
mlavallethat is why the Stein cycle is a little longer than normal15:04
mlavallebecause we are moving everything back to the Summit again15:05
Swamimlavalle: Is that good or bad15:05
mlavalleI think it is good in that it makes the meetings available to everybody15:05
Swamimlavalle: Yes summit is loosing momentum on the openstack nowadays.15:05
mlavallewith the current scheme people have to choose15:05
mlavalleI now it will be clear that you have two trips a year15:06
Swamimlavalle: agreed15:06
mlavalleIn this etherpad I have schdule all the proposed topics for discussion:  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-stein-ptg15:07
mlavalleStartring at line 13215:07
manjeetsso berlin summit still will not have any design sessions ?15:07
mlavallemanjeets: I expect it to have some forum session, like the past 2 summits15:07
mlavallebut that's really up to us15:08
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mlavalleif we propose sessions for the forum15:08
manjeetsah ok !15:08
mlavalleOur next milestone is Stein-1, Oct 22 - 2615:09
mlavalleany other announcements?15:09
mlavalleahhh, I have another one....15:10
mlavalleDue to the PTG, next week's meeting will be cancelled15:10
mlavalleok, let's move on....15:10
Swamimlavalle: Do you have online sessions for PTG15:10
mlavalleSwami: I have planned specifically for that..... I can attemot what I did last yeat with the camera, if there is interest15:11
mlavallehaven't^^^^15:11
davidsha<- interested in a live stream :)15:12
Swamimlavalle: ok sure. I will be intereseted in attending remote15:12
* tidwellr is interested as well15:12
mlavalleok, I'll bring the camera with me and see what I can do.... since you are all ganging up on me.... LOL15:12
davidsha:D15:13
mlavallelet's move on15:13
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:13
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mlavalleSwami: please, fire away15:13
SwamiSure15:13
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/179008415:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1790084 in neutron "ERROR pyroute2.netns.nslink" [Undecided,New]15:13
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SwamiThis is a new bug that is being filed against the 'DVR_NO_EXTERNAL' agent mode. It seems that there is an error log in the logs seen when it tries to remove the namespace. It seems that the namespace delete is going to a wrong node. ( compute node in this case ). I will triage it further and update the bug.15:14
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178627215:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1786272 in neutron "Connection between two virtual routers does not work with DVR" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)15:15
SwamiThere is a wip patch. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/597567/15:15
* haleyb will lurk, was in downstream meeting15:16
Swamii have been testing this patch actively, but still there is some issue with this patch and I am updating my review comments on this patch.15:16
slaweqhi15:16
njohnstonhi15:16
slaweqSwami: I will push new PS for it in few minutes15:16
slaweqcan You test this one?15:16
Swamislaweq: sure, I tested the one till yesterday15:17
SwamiI did see that the routers that are not supposed to be in the compute node was also started, so I was debugging that.15:17
Swamislaweq: But I will test your update today as well.15:17
slaweqahh, that I didn't test yet15:17
slaweqI was currently focused on testing if case described in bug works with it15:18
slaweqand at least this looks that is working for me fine15:18
Swamiok no problem, my test case was there was an additional router and I did see that router namespace also poped up on all compute nodes.15:18
slaweqbut there can be other "side effects" which I will have to fix still15:18
slaweqthx for info, I will check that also15:19
Swamislaweq: Good work, so far. Yes it solves the bug description. But it tries to create all router namespace now.15:19
slaweqalso, I pushed patch with scenario test to cover this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/598676/15:19
Swamislaweq: we should probably filter only based on the connected routers and not all routers.15:19
slaweqplease take a look if You will have time15:19
Swamislaweq: Yes I did see that test patch passed15:19
slaweqSwami: ok, thx for feedback and testing it15:20
Swamislaweq: I will test your current patch and will post my reviews.15:20
slaweqI will continue work on it and try to fix this issue with additional routers15:20
slaweqthx Swami :)15:20
Swamislaweq: thanks for your help.15:20
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/177445915:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1774459 in neutron "Update permanent ARP entries for allowed_address_pair IPs in DVR Routers" [High,Confirmed]15:20
Swamimlavalle: slaweq: I need some l2 experts to take a look at the proposal. I will try to post a WIP patch for this.15:21
SwamiRight now I am having some trouble in forwarding the packet to the 'tap' interface.15:21
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mlavallehaleyb proposed this topic for discussion in the PTG. There is a session, L3 topics, on Thursday, weher this is scheduled to be discussed15:22
SwamiI will post a wip patch and then we can discuss about the forward motion on this. In the mean time if there is any other efficient way of tapping the GARP packets, that would help me speed up the process.15:22
Swamimlavalle: Sure then it would be great.15:22
mlavalleso if you leave as much feedback in the bug as possible, that will enrich the conversation15:23
mlavallehang on....15:23
Swamimlavalle: Sure, I will do it.15:23
SwamiThat's all I had for today with respect to the DVR bugs.15:24
mlavalleSwami: that session is split in two, before and after lunch.... The first half is from 11:45 to 12:15, which will be 11:45 to 11:15 your time. Is that a good time for you?15:24
mlavallesince we are going to try to do remote session, you might as well participate15:24
Swamimlavalle: That should be good. I can join.15:25
mlavalleI maenat 10:45 to 11:15 your time15:25
Swamimlavalle: yes if the remote session is on I will join.15:25
Swamimlavalle: no problem.15:25
mlavalleI still advise to leave as much feedback in the bug itself, in case we have technical difficulties15:26
Swamimlavalle: sure I will do as much as possible.15:26
mlavalleyou know, stupid computers not always do what you want ;-)15:26
Swamimlavalle: understood.15:27
Swamimlavalle: that's all I have.15:27
mlavalleThanks Swami15:27
mlavalleI have the following bugs....15:28
mlavalleFirst https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178800615:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1788006 in neutron "Tests fail with "Server [UUID] failed to reach ACTIVE status and task state "None" within the required time ([INTEGER] s). Current status: BUILD. Current task state: spawning."" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:28
mlavallefor this one we have concluded that we need help from the Nova team15:28
mlavalleslaweq and I talked to Matt a couple days ago and he said he will help out15:28
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mlavalleso on hold for the time being on this one15:29
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mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178943415:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1789434 in neutron "neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_migration.NetworkMigrationFromHA failing 100% times" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:29
mlavallethe problem here is that we have a scenario test to migrate from HA to {legacy | DVR | HA-DVR}15:30
mlavallethe test assumes that after settin the router admin_state_up to False, prior to the migration, all the router ports go down15:31
mlavallehaleyb did some testing a couple of days ago, that conflicts with my result of yesterday15:31
mlavallelet me explain....15:31
mlavalleI start with a HA router, excatly like the scenario test15:32
mlavallewhen I set admin-state_up to False, all the ports state active15:32
mlavallehaleyb: in you case, I think I understoof you started with a DVR router.... Is my understanding correct?15:32
haleybmlavalle: yes, it was dvr originally15:33
mlavallehaleyb: ok, I will test that case and see if I get the same result as you15:33
haleybbrought down, changed ha, now it's in weird state regarding ports always active15:33
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mlavallehaleyb: ahhh, maybe, once you made it HA, you are in effect testing the same thing as I did15:34
haleybmaybe, yes15:35
mlavalleI'll play with these different paths15:36
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mlavallenow, what should it be haleyb and Swami? when I set a router (legacy, DVR, HA, HA-DVR) admin_state_down to False, all its ports should become inactive?15:37
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haleybi think so15:38
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mlavalleyes, that is my thinking as well, just making sure we are all on the same page15:39
Swamimlavalle: I agree15:39
mlavallecool15:39
slaweqit was like that when I was writing this check some time ago - when router was set to admin_state_up=False, all it's ports were set to be DOWN15:40
mlavalleThe last one I have is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178791915:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1787919 in neutron "Upgrade router to L3 HA broke IPv6" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:40
mlavalleThe submitter in note #10 proposes what the solution should be in his opinion.... before going down that way, I would like Swami and haleyb to chime in15:41
mlavallewould you?15:41
mlavallejust leave a comment there when you have some time15:42
haleyback15:42
Swamimlavalle: I will take a look at it.15:42
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mlavalleok, that's all I have for today in terms of bugs15:43
mlavalleany other bugs we should discuss today?15:44
mlavalleok, moving on15:45
mlavalle#topic Openflow DVR15:45
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mlavalledavidsha: since you are here, let me ask a couple of questions....15:45
davidshaSure, go ahead15:45
mlavalleFirst: as discussed a few weeks ago I created a blueprint, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/openflow-based-dvr, that I added to our Stein dashboard in https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/stein-115:46
davidshaFor a quick update We're working on rebasing the openflow_dvr POC ontop of the refactor15:47
mlavallehaleyb accepted to be the approver. Who should be the assignee?15:47
davidshaThank you!15:47
davidshaXubo should be the assignee15:47
davidshaI'm limited in how I can contribute but I'll help as much as I can15:48
mlavalleso if I type xubo in Launchpad, I get several options. It is diffcult to know which one15:49
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mlavalleahhh hang on////15:49
mlavallewould it be bo.b.xu@intel.com?15:49
davidshaxubo.zhang@intel.com is his email I believe, give me 1 sec to double check15:50
davidshaya it's xubo.zhang@intel.com15:50
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mlavalleok, I'll try to find that15:51
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mlavalleand the second question you answered. should we wait for that rebasing? or it has been accomplished?15:51
davidshaIt's in progress, the rough rebase is done it just needs to be tested to make sure we didn't miss something15:52
mlavalleok, so we will keep an eye for it15:52
mlavalleThanks!15:52
davidshathank you!15:52
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mlavalle#topic On demand agenda15:53
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mlavalletidwellr: this is where I wanted to ask you.... could you take a look at this RFE and help us triage it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1784590?15:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1784590 in neutron "neutron-dynamic-routing bgp agent should have options for MP-BGP" [Wishlist,New]15:54
tidwellrsure15:54
mlavallecool, thanks!15:54
mlavalleany other topics we should discuss today?15:54
tidwellrhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/581098/15:55
tidwellrI have working code for DVR-aware BGP announcements, this WIP though15:55
* cdent waves at mlavalle 15:55
tidwellrfeel free to take a look and offer feedback15:55
* mlavalle waves back ;-)15:55
mlavallethanks tidwellr. really cool15:56
njohnstonvery cool15:56
mlavalleand now looking at the patch, I know what Swami meant by "tidwellr is back". LOL15:57
Swamitidwellr: So this patch would completely open up the fast path entry.15:57
mlavallecongrats15:57
mlavalle!15:57
Swamimlavalle: yes I can share my workload with tidwellr now15:57
* tidwellr ducks15:57
mlavalleok guys. Thanks for attending. See you in two weeks....15:58
Swamibye.15:58
davidshasee you!15:58
tidwellrbye15:58
haleybbye15:58
mlavalleFor those going to Denver, safe travels!15:58
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mlavalle#endmeeting15:58
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep  6 15:58:39 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:58
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-09-06-15.00.html15:58
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-09-06-15.00.txt15:58
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-09-06-15.00.log.html15:58
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cdent#startmeeting api-sig16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  6 16:00:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'api_sig'16:00
cdent#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda16:00
cdent#chair edleafe elmiko dtantsur16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko16:00
cdentwho is here today?16:00
dtantsuro/16:00
elmikoo/16:01
edleafenot me16:01
elmikojust finishing another meeting16:01
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cdent#topic oldbiz16:02
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cdent#link minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-08-30-16.00.html16:02
cdentedleafe was to keep an eye on this api 3.0 stuff16:03
cdenthe did16:03
cdenthuzzah16:03
edleafeyay me!16:03
cdentcdent reorder some of his pending guidelines which somehow have bad dependencies16:03
cdenti did16:03
elmikoyeah, i was really curious about the openapi discussion that went on last time, but never got a chance to read the minutes. is there a quick summary?16:03
edleafeelmiko: just that it doesn't seem like anything we need to act on now16:04
elmikoack, thanks16:04
edleafeBut to keep an eye on it in case it develops momentum16:04
elmikoi have a selfish personal interest in the openapi stuff16:05
cdentthere was also an unnamed action to "reinvigorate version discovery and consumption guidelines", but I don't think that went anywhere16:05
elmikoi've been working on a tool for arbitrary code generation from openapi, no support for 3.0 yet, but i'm hoping to add it soon16:06
* dtantsur does not quite believe in code generation from schemas16:06
edleafeelmiko: interesting. How would such a tool be useful in the OpenStack community?16:06
cdentthat's a good way to put it dtantsur16:06
elmikoedleafe: i'm not sure that it would unless folks wanted to use more openapi for defining their api's16:06
edleafedtantsur: he did say "arbitrary", not "useful" :)16:07
dtantsurlol, okay16:07
elmikobut i've tried to build something that has a wide margin of applicapability by allowing the user to generate templates that get applied against the openapi data16:07
elmikoin essence you have the freedom to customize how the code is generated, which is something that current tools kinda lack16:07
elmikodtantsur: what's not to believe in, it works16:08
dtantsurelmiko: sure, I did not use "believe" in that sense16:08
elmikohahaha =)16:08
elmikonow is it /useful/? that's a different question16:08
dtantsurbased on my rust-openstacksdk experience, a literal SDK generated from our API would be quite unusable16:08
elmikoanyways, if folks are curious, https://gitlab.com/elmiko/deswag16:08
dtantsurmy favourite example includes using empty string for missing fields (hello nova)16:09
dtantsur* examples include16:09
elmikodtantsur: using a tool that makes all the code choices for you, i tend to agree16:09
dtantsurI'd be happy if something could generate https://github.com/dtantsur/rust-openstack/blob/master/src/network/protocol.rs#L198-L23616:09
dtantsurbut even this low-level structure required some conscious choices16:10
dtantsurelmiko: I'm not trying to diminish the value of your work, just sharing my experience :)16:10
elmikodtantsur: no worries, i think the field of auto-generated code has made some really bad steps in the past and that has left many people (myself included) highly skeptical about their value16:11
elmikoedleafe: to your question earlier, i'm not sure that openapi and code generators can necessarily help projects in openstack that already have established code bases16:12
elmikoi think it's more attractive for projects that are starting up16:12
cdentwhen ed and I are at the ptg we'll be sure to make code generation plans that ignore both elmiko and dtantsur16:12
dtantsur:D16:12
elmiko++16:12
edleafeelmiko: no last-minute travel approval?16:12
elmikoheh, sadly no16:12
cdentnot _yet_16:12
elmikoLOL16:12
dtantsurelmiko: I'm still thinking of generating some rust, then fixing it manually16:13
dtantsurbut it requires writing a generator :)16:13
elmikomy last-minute travel plans are trying to figre out which train i will take to come visit cdent =D16:13
cdent\o/16:13
elmikodtantsur: check out my project, you can make jinja templates that create code for you from the openapi schema. it might give you the flexibility you need16:13
dtantsurI certainly will, await pull requests :)16:14
elmikoalso, it's very alpha currently. so yeah...16:14
elmikohehe ++16:14
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dtantsurI wish we had an example schema for at least one project16:15
dtantsur(one microversion of one project)16:15
dtantsurthis conversation could be much more constructive if we had something real16:15
cdentI guess gilles was gonna do that, but then got distracted by graphql16:15
elmikowe might be able to transpile one of the sphinx schema things into openapi16:16
elmikoi had thought that's what graham was building up to16:17
cdentgraham had a change of circumstances16:17
elmikoah, ok16:18
elmikohope everything is well for him16:18
cdentyes, I think so, just less time for "fun" openstack things16:18
elmikoack16:19
cdentShall me move on or is there more to say about openapi and graphql?16:19
elmikonothing more from me16:19
edleafeput a fork in it16:19
cdent#topic open mic and ongoing or new biz16:20
cdent#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-stein-ptg16:20
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cdentso hey, monday we gonna meet up with some folk and chat about some stuff16:20
cdentthat etherpad is sort of an agenda, but more than likely we'll talk about whatever people in the room want to talk about16:20
cdentdo we need to drive it more than that?16:20
elmikoi think what is proposed sounds good16:21
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elmikohopefully you'll have a nice crowd and the agenda will set itself ;)16:21
edleafeWe have microversions mentioned, so we should have a good crowd16:22
elmikohahaha16:22
edleafeAdd something about k8s, and it'll be standing-room only!16:22
elmikoyou'll have a crowd, not sure how "good" it will be XD16:22
elmikoooh yeah, good point16:22
dtantsurand edge, edge!16:22
elmikoserverless!16:22
elmikoblockchain!16:22
cdenti think we might all be getting a bit jaded16:23
edleafe"Running your serverless microversioned blockchain in Kubernetes"16:23
elmikohahaha16:23
elmikocdent: you /think/...16:23
elmikoXD16:23
* cdent calls the VCs about edleafe's idea16:23
elmiko++16:24
edleafeI thought that this was under NDA16:24
* cdent points and laughs16:25
* edleafe feels like the Winklevoss twins 16:25
elmikohaha16:25
dtantsur:D16:27
cdentAnything else on the ptg?16:27
elmikohave fun and represent!16:27
edleafeWe'll save a seat for elmiko16:27
edleafe'Cause you know he'll show up16:27
elmiko=D16:27
cdentgood planning16:27
* elmiko would love to come strolling in on monday16:28
cdentelmiko is playing the long con16:29
cdent#topic guidelines16:29
cdent#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z16:29
*** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api-sig)"16:29
* edleafe isn't fooled16:29
cdentI don't think we've had any changes, other than me unblocking some stuff that got stacked when it didn't need to16:29
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cdentobpromise: more work on guidelines soon!16:30
elmiko\o/16:31
cdent#topic bug review16:31
cdent#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/103916:31
*** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api-sig)"16:31
cdentno changes here either16:31
cdentwhat is it this sig does, anyway?16:31
dtantsurchats with awesome people once a week?16:32
elmikowe hold some of the best meetings in the entire openstack community damnit!16:32
edleafemake jokes16:32
dtantsursee, solidarity!16:32
elmiko=D16:32
cdentword16:32
cdentcommunity building16:32
cdent#topic weekly newsletter16:33
cdent#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter16:33
*** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api-sig)"16:33
cdentwhoever does the letter (not me), can you say there will be no meeting next week?16:33
edleafeSure, I'll do it16:33
elmikothanks edleafe !16:34
cdenthuzzah16:34
edleafeI'll send the usual ping in -sdks16:34
elmikohuzzah16:34
cdentanything else from any one?16:34
elmikopour one out for me at the ptg, i'll miss you guys =)16:35
cdentyeah yeah16:35
elmikohahaha16:35
* cdent remembers take extra cash for elmiko's drinks16:35
* edleafe thought you were gonna say "roll one up..."16:35
elmikoedleafe: ++16:35
edleafeIt *is* Colorado, after all16:35
elmikotru dat16:35
dtantsurand a beer or two for me16:36
elmiko++16:36
cdentheadline: api-sig lights up masive doobie, decides REST sucks, goes back to xmlrpc16:36
elmikoLOL16:36
cdentand with that16:36
cdent#endmeeting16:36
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep  6 16:36:39 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:36
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cdentthanks all for coming16:36
elmikothanks cdent16:36
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