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| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 26 08:00:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 08:00 |
| alexchadin | o/ | 08:01 |
| TuanVu | Hi Alex | 08:01 |
| TuanVu | have a nice day :) | 08:01 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: you too! | 08:02 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: how are you? | 08:02 |
| TuanVu | I'm doing fine, thank you very much :D | 08:02 |
| TuanVu | I'm doing some tests for watcher live migration feature in my local environment | 08:03 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: what strategy do you use? | 08:03 |
| TuanVu | I intend to test the ability to migrate VM from 1 compute node to another when host's workload (eg: CPU) is too high | 08:05 |
| TuanVu | it should be "workload balance migration" strategy, right? | 08:06 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: I'd recommend you to use workload stabilization strategy | 08:06 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: we test this strategy on production clusters | 08:07 |
| TuanVu | thank you, Alex | 08:08 |
| TuanVu | however, I don't see your mentioned strategy on this list | 08:08 |
| TuanVu | https://docs.openstack.org/watcher/latest/strategies/index.html | 08:08 |
| TuanVu | could you please point out exactly it is which one? | 08:09 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: Workload Overload standard deviation | 08:09 |
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| TuanVu | awesome! thanks | 08:10 |
| TuanVu | as I can see, it requires metrics from ceilometer | 08:11 |
| TuanVu | are there anyway for it to work with metric from "Monasca"? | 08:11 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: that's right, it's recommended to use ceilometer+gnocchi | 08:11 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: I haven't tested this strategy with Monasca yet, I'm not sure if Monasca provides SNMP metrics | 08:12 |
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| TuanVu | thanks for your recommendation, I'll test this strategy in my environment | 08:13 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: do you have any other question regarding Watcher? | 08:16 |
| TuanVu | that's all I have for now :) | 08:16 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: you don't use ceilometer+gnocchi in your env? | 08:17 |
| TuanVu | yes, I do use ceilometer+gnocchi, but just want to test out monasca as well | 08:19 |
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| alexchadin | TuanVu: great :) this strategy works with CPU and RAM metrics. You can use them both or separately | 08:21 |
| TuanVu | thank you, that's awesome! | 08:21 |
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| alexchadin | TuanVu: unfortunately, other core developers haven't come today on meeting | 08:25 |
| TuanVu | so ... we can finish the meeting here, I guess? | 08:27 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: I suppose so | 08:29 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: thank you for attending! | 08:29 |
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| TuanVu | it's my pleasure :) Thanks for your sharing, Alex | 08:29 |
| TuanVu | it means a lot for me, I really appreciate your kindness | 08:29 |
| TuanVu | see you next time :) | 08:30 |
| alexchadin | TuanVu: see you! :) | 08:30 |
| alexchadin | #endmeeting | 08:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 26 08:30:27 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-09-26-08.00.html | 08:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-09-26-08.00.txt | 08:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-09-26-08.00.log.html | 08:30 |
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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 26 15:00:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| witek | Hello everyone | 15:01 |
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| koji_n | hello | 15:01 |
| witek | hi koji_n, hi pandy | 15:01 |
| pandy | Hi witek:) | 15:01 |
| joadavis | hi | 15:01 |
| witek | hi | 15:02 |
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| witek | the agenda is pretty full again today | 15:02 |
| witek | that's nice :) | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:02 |
| witek | let's start with leftovers | 15:02 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| witek | #topic pre-upgrade checks | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pre-upgrade checks (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:02 | |
| witek | we have started this actually last week | 15:03 |
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| witek | there is a new component in oslo for this | 15:03 |
| witek | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.upgradecheck | 15:03 |
| witek | should we use this one? | 15:03 |
| joadavis | I didn't grab the oslo.upgradecheck code because it was still being worked on last week. It would be nice to use something consistent, but the code is still developing | 15:04 |
| joadavis | so I thought it would be good to have a very simple start then refactor it later to use the library when it is available | 15:05 |
| dougsz | The library certainly seems very green | 15:05 |
| joadavis | Also, the code I wrote will likely need to be moved to a good place for deployment | 15:06 |
| witek | Matt has left you some comments in review | 15:06 |
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| joadavis | yes, I've been working some bugs and haven't incorporated his comments yet, but they were good feedback | 15:07 |
| joadavis | s/bugs/unrelated bugs/ | 15:07 |
| witek | :) | 15:07 |
| witek | so, you want to continue to work on this, or prefer to come back to this later? | 15:07 |
| joadavis | I don't think it is top priority, but can tinker with it when i have time | 15:08 |
| joadavis | If someone else is interested they are welcome to take it up | 15:08 |
| witek | ok, thanks | 15:09 |
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| witek | #topic monasca-notification clean-up | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "monasca-notification clean-up (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:09 | |
| witek | the first change should probably be the schema update | 15:10 |
| dougsz | So we hit some issues configuring plugins via Oslo | 15:10 |
| dougsz | Yeah - agreed | 15:11 |
| dougsz | It would be nice to push those old patches through | 15:11 |
| witek | yes, we need them | 15:11 |
| witek | I've seen you've added this to our board | 15:11 |
| witek | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/111 | 15:11 |
| dougsz | I 've got enough feedback from Johannes to fix up the alembic migration | 15:12 |
| witek | great | 15:12 |
| dougsz | Thanks to Johannes + Amir for the review | 15:12 |
| dougsz | So that's probably it on this for now - I will focus on the old patches in the little time I have at the moment and circle back around to Charana's ones when those are done. | 15:13 |
| witek | is there a particular sequence in which the changes should be merged? | 15:13 |
| dougsz | Also, thanks Witek for taking a look! | 15:13 |
| dougsz | I will add a 'depends on' to the commit message | 15:13 |
| witek | thanks | 15:14 |
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| witek | btw. during ptg we've agreed to create a second board for tracking bug fixing | 15:15 |
| dougsz | ah, ok | 15:15 |
| witek | I think the last two changes from your set would be good candidates | 15:15 |
| witek | I haven't created the board yet though | 15:15 |
| dougsz | Sounds good, I can look at moving it when we have the board | 15:15 |
| witek | will do tomorrow | 15:15 |
| dougsz | thanks | 15:16 |
| witek | thanks Doug for working on this | 15:16 |
| witek | #topic new Grafana image | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new Grafana image (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:16 | |
| dougsz | np | 15:16 |
| dougsz | pandy? | 15:17 |
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| pandy | Hi Witek, I have requested two features to be in grafana like getting "OK" & "UNDETERMINED" state in notification and fix "save" in one click | 15:17 |
| pandy | it was fixed by Charana & Dougz verified and pushed to master https://github.com/monasca/monasca-grafana/commit/85b7eb46c1cbb561e6c7737b3ee75271fa83af7b | 15:17 |
| witek | we have pushed the new image today | 15:17 |
| witek | https://hub.docker.com/r/monasca/grafana/ | 15:17 |
| dougsz | Nice - I thought I saw that fly past my inbox | 15:18 |
| pandy | It will be great if we udpate this grafana enhancement to new image, currently, i did rebuild in my own dockerhub repo | 15:18 |
| witek | pandy: happened today | 15:18 |
| pandy | oh great :) | 15:18 |
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| witek | https://hub.docker.com/r/monasca/grafana/tags/ | 15:18 |
| witek | 4.0.0-1.5.1 | 15:19 |
| pandy | Sure i will check it :) Thats it related to monasca- grafana, let me know can i start my next topic in agend which is lsited at bottom now or will wait ? :) | 15:19 |
| witek | let's go in the sequence please | 15:20 |
| witek | #topic Stein prios | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stein prios (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:20 | |
| witek | I have put together the results of our priorisation game | 15:20 |
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| witek | as we discussed earlier, I didn't want to put too many tasks | 15:21 |
| dougsz | I started writing the Merge APIs spec earlier will have it finished today, then I can add a link to the doc. | 15:21 |
| witek | great, I just wanted to ask you folks to add the descriptions :) | 15:22 |
| dougsz | :) | 15:22 |
| dougsz | Will do. | 15:23 |
| witek | also, if you think there is anything important we should add there during the cycle | 15:23 |
| witek | we're free to do so | 15:23 |
| witek | #topic Kafka config opts in monasca-api | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kafka config opts in monasca-api (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:23 | |
| dougsz | It looks like some refactoring left these behind | 15:24 |
| dougsz | Just wanted to check I hadn't missed something before removing them? | 15:24 |
| witek | also, that will probably change anyway during the work with confluent-kafka client | 15:24 |
| dougsz | Yeah - envisaged some overlap | 15:25 |
| witek | I want to finish my Kafka spec this week | 15:25 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/601268 | 15:26 |
| witek | so I will go through these options as well | 15:26 |
| witek | and will leave you a comment in story | 15:26 |
| dougsz | Awesome, thanks witek. | 15:26 |
| dougsz | I guess we could backport any small patch to remove them to avoid confusing people with the generated config file from tox | 15:27 |
| witek | so you mean, remove all of them now to be in sync with auto-generated, and then backport if needed? | 15:28 |
| dougsz | Yeah | 15:28 |
| witek | yes, it will work as well | 15:29 |
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| witek | #topic libvirt upgrade | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "libvirt upgrade (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:30 | |
| witek | joadavis: have you added this one? | 15:30 |
| joadavis | yes. | 15:31 |
| joadavis | I heard there was a plan for nova to update the libvirt and qemu version for the T release | 15:31 |
| joadavis | I just wanted to raise it as a sanity check here - I don't think it will be a problem | 15:32 |
| witek | do you have any reference to additional information about this upgrade? | 15:32 |
| witek | the problem with libvirt plugin is, that we don't have any automated testing included | 15:33 |
| joadavis | there was an email to the openstack-dev mailing list... | 15:33 |
| joadavis | Proposal -------- Looking at the DistroSupportMatrix[2], it seems like we can pick the libvirt and QEMU versions supported by the next LTS release of Ubuntu -- 18.04; "Bionic", which are: libvirt: 4.0.0 QEMU: 2.11 | 15:34 |
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| witek | should we add a task to the backlog for this? | 15:35 |
| joadavis | I think the Operating Systems will support it. It may be good for us to have a task to at least check the release notes for libvirt for any api changes or things that might need an update | 15:36 |
| joadavis | in monasca-agent | 15:36 |
| witek | also, only partially related, do you know if we could run tempest tests on bionic already? | 15:37 |
| joadavis | I don't know. Are other projects doing that already? | 15:37 |
| witek | haven't checked, just came to my mind | 15:38 |
| joadavis | good thought | 15:38 |
| witek | could you create a testing task for monasca-agent and add it to the board please? | 15:39 |
| joadavis | sure | 15:39 |
| witek | thanks joadavis | 15:39 |
| witek | I'll have a look at running devstack plugin on bionic | 15:40 |
| witek | #topic reviews | 15:40 |
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| witek | rpm-packaging change looks good to me | 15:41 |
| joadavis | :thumbsup" | 15:41 |
| witek | #topic bugs | 15:42 |
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| witek | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001593 | 15:42 |
| witek | to be honest, I haven't looked in detail into it, but don't like the sudoers idea | 15:43 |
| witek | it would make the installation/configuration even more complex | 15:43 |
| witek | other thoughs? | 15:44 |
| joadavis | Yeah, I was struggling with a good answer. Another engineer here is looking at the problem. It appears that in the rpm-packaging there are already a few programs set up for monasca-agent user which are granted in the sudoers file | 15:45 |
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| joadavis | I'm not sure how it works, but if it is possible to grant elevated permission to the monasca-agent user for just the ip command, that might be good. But as you said, it is a more complex configuration | 15:46 |
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| joadavis | I wanted to bring it up in case our monasca community has some other great ideas. :) | 15:46 |
| witek | we'll ping our team about it | 15:47 |
| witek | also, we'll add it to our new bugs board | 15:47 |
| joadavis | thanks | 15:47 |
| witek | I think we should try to find a nicer solution | 15:48 |
| witek | but if that doesn't work, we could set up sudoers | 15:48 |
| witek | #topic monasca-agent in large deployments | 15:49 |
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| witek | pandy: that's yours, right? | 15:50 |
| pandy | Hi | 15:50 |
| pandy | yes mine | 15:50 |
| pandy | quick explanation of my environment | 15:50 |
| pandy | Installed monasca using docker on 3 dedicated baremetals, Please note: used monasca docker images for monasca-api, grafana, notification, mysql, influxdb, where kafka & zookeeper used different version | 15:50 |
| pandy | for scaling and running on docker swarm mode | 15:50 |
| pandy | In 500+ compute installed monasca agent and did configuration using monasca-setup as per https://github.com/openstack/monasca-agent/blob/master/docs/Agent.md | 15:51 |
| pandy | Where added libvirt.yaml plugin to collect VM metrics and here configuration of libvirt.yaml http://paste.openstack.org/show/730940/ | 15:51 |
| pandy | Issue is some of monasca agent is hitting Neutron API very frequently | 15:51 |
| pandy | just suspected these parameters are causing issue so disabled it | 15:51 |
| pandy | ""vm_network_check_enable: false" "ping_check: false" "vm_ping_check_enable: false"" | 15:51 |
| pandy | Here my question: "Would like to know "Which Monasca agent plugins & parameters will hit Neutron API and whats the interval period ?" & "How can control hitting to Neutron API ?"" | 15:51 |
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| pandy | sorry i was prepared already, so sent messages in row. | 15:52 |
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| witek | is libvirt the only plugin, you've enabled on compute nodes? | 15:52 |
| pandy | by default it has given me process, cpu, network and i have added libvirt.yaml to it | 15:53 |
| pandy | default i have congestion, disk, load, network, process, cpu, memory, ntp. I have added "libvirt" into /etc/monasca/agent/conf.d | 15:54 |
| pandy | would like to know which plugin is hitting Neutron API ? | 15:54 |
| pandy | Neutron.yaml here http://paste.openstack.org/show/730940/ | 15:55 |
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| witek | libvirt plugin communicates with Neutron, but I cannot answer your question about configuration option right now | 15:55 |
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| pandy | libvirt and ovs plugin only hits neutron | 15:56 |
| pandy | as per my understanding | 15:56 |
| koji_n | at this moment, ovs and libvirt plugin is using neutronclient | 15:56 |
| pandy | i am using libivirt, where disabling "ping_check" will stop hitting neutron API ? | 15:56 |
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| pandy | FYI, we are not using namespace in compute nodes, so i feel "ping_check" no need, other than that what are parameters inside libivirt will hit Neutron API | 15:57 |
| witek | koji_n: will you be able to check this? | 15:58 |
| koji_n | https://github.com/openstack/monasca-agent/blob/819822529422e68614dd4c3b95a9b530795e4bcf/monasca_agent/collector/checks_d/libvirt.py#L186-L192 | 15:58 |
| koji_n | probably, pandy is correct | 15:58 |
| koji_n | neutronclient is used only the above section in libvirt plugin | 15:58 |
| witek | that was quick, thanks koji_n :) | 15:59 |
| pandy | koji_n, whether "ping_check" only use neutron API ? | 15:59 |
| koji_n | np, but i didn't test it, so maybe it's wrong | 15:59 |
| pandy | How about "vm_network_check_enable" ""vm_ping_check_enable: false"" | 16:00 |
| witek | have to close the meeting | 16:00 |
| witek | thanks for joining everyone | 16:00 |
| dougsz | Thanks witek, bye all | 16:00 |
| joadavis | thanks all | 16:00 |
| witek | see you next week | 16:00 |
| pandy | witek, i need someone from libvirt to help out this | 16:00 |
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| witek | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 26 16:00:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-09-26-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-09-26-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-09-26-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| eglute | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 26 16:01:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:01 |
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| eglute | #chair hogepodge | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge | 16:01 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
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| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWhistler.19 | 16:01 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone! | 16:01 |
| eglute | Let me know if you are here for interop meeting! | 16:02 |
| eglute | hogepodge are you around? | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | o/ | 16:03 |
| eglute | Hello markvoelker! | 16:03 |
| eglute | #chair markvoelker | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:03 |
| eglute | looks like it is just the two of us here today | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | =) I say we assign all the action items to hogepodge and call it a day then. =p | 16:04 |
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| eglute | Sounds great to me! | 16:05 |
| eglute | #action hogepodge will do all the things | 16:05 |
| eglute | :D | 16:05 |
| eglute | thanks for submitting the nova update | 16:05 |
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| eglute | i left a comment, i worry it would impact public clouds | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | Hm, I'm curious about that. The capability isn't backend-specific so disabling it would be a policy decision, right? | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/601638/ Add compute-servers-create-multiple as advisory | 16:06 |
| eglute | yes, most likely policy? wonder if public clouds allow it | 16:07 |
| eglute | maybe a non-issue | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | hi! | 16:07 |
| eglute | hello Chris! | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | Do you know of public clouds that don't? | 16:07 |
| eglute | markvoelker i do not. i need to test it on rackspace cloud to see if they allow it | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | Ok, that'd be good...I can try to poke at a few public clouds I have accounts on too but seems like I recall using this before with them. | 16:09 |
| eglute | ah ok. i will check and update | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge you mentioned using compter-servers-create-multiple fairly regularly, right? Mostly on a private setup though? | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | yeah, I use it in my ironic lab | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | ah, ok | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | I also use terraform a lot, but I don't know if they do it as a batch or as a loop | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | So since eglute raised a concern about whether public clouds support this, I suggest taking a look around at a few and maybe pinging a few contacts we have. Worst case, it'll be advisory and operators will shout then so we can strike it before it becomes required. | 16:11 |
| eglute | sounds good to me | 16:12 |
| eglute | ok, since there are at least 3 of us here, would either markvoelker or hogepodge give a PTG summary? | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | sure | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropRefstackPTGDenver_2018 Denver PTG etherpad | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | Most of the morning we used as a working session to clear our backlog of reviews and discuss a few outstanding items | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | As a result, we merged several patches and submitted a few more follow-up patches which have also mostly merged | 16:14 |
| eglute | thanks for that! | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | These included some Cinder stuff, the most notable being the deprecation of the v2 API from the required list | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | We also decided to target the November BoD meeting for the next guideline approval | 16:15 |
| eglute | sounds good | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | Once we decide on the create-compute-servers-multiple patch I'll likely get a patch ready to create the formal document | 16:16 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | Later in the day we also chatted with Georg about NFV stuff, and I chatted again with Ildiko over breakfast the next day | 16:16 |
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| markvoelker | Neither Georg or I have had as much time as we'd have liked to work on an NFV program, and we're not currently seeing a lot of noise about from the community side either | 16:17 |
| eglute | ok. any other take aways from NFV discussions? | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | We are seeing, for example, a lot of telco requirements that have a lot of similarities and could be simplified if we could check a box stating compliance with an interop program, so feels like there's still some demand out there | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | We discussed that maybe a formal interop program isn't the way to get started though | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | Perhaps, for example, we might do some sort of event (imagine, for example, a sort of interop challenge where the workload was a VNF like Clearwater or some such) to drum up interest, then see who's willing to put some further work in | 16:19 |
| eglute | ok, so pause on the work on formal NFV program for now? | 16:20 |
| eglute | i do like the idea of an event | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | How to go about this would likely be a discussion we need to have with the Foundation folks and/or BoD, so we may want to talk about it at the November meeting | 16:20 |
| eglute | ok, that sounds good | 16:21 |
| eglute | thank you | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | We also chatted a bit about some different stakeholders that we havent' spent much time with so far...for example, VNF vendors | 16:21 |
| eglute | anything else from the PTG? | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | I think that's about it...we also chatted with gema a bit about ARM and some questions around image interop | 16:22 |
| eglute | what were the image interop questions? | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | can you call clouds interoperable if they can't boot the same image (arm vs x86) | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | Just about whether images themselves ought to be part of an interop test...e.g. if I have an x86 cloud, the cirros image I boot on it wont' work on my ARM cloud | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | But the API to upload it, boot a server from it, etc do work | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | Came down to a question of API vs the data you feed to it | 16:23 |
| eglute | right, that makes sense | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | my opinion is that any api that takes bad data will barf. arm image to x86 cloud is bad data | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | ++ | 16:24 |
| eglute | how many clouds are using arm? any idea? | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | Two as far as I know so far. | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | Linaro and Vexxhost | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | Linaro and vexxhost | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | *jinx | 16:25 |
| hogepodge | Aww, now I can't speak | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | =p | 16:25 |
| eglute | hahah | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | It's ok, it's IRC and you can still type | 16:25 |
| hogepodge | #link http://wondermark.com/378/ jinx | 16:25 |
| eglute | so how about VMs? they would face the same issue right, arm vs x86? | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | Not sure I follow? | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | kvm vs vmware vs xen, for example | 16:27 |
| eglute | true... i guess we dont address that right now anyways | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | We kind of covered that too. Discovery of expected image types is cloud specific, but there's no API to expose that implementation afaik | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | So it's up to the operator to provide that information. | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | Oh, ok....right. YEah, same deal: the API's work, but you can feed any API parameters that don't make sense and things break. | 16:28 |
| eglute | right | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | We actually mentioned things like image conversion that work for the hypervisor case, fwiw. Not so much for the processor architecture case. | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | But the main point was that the API's are available and work and the tempest tests pass. | 16:29 |
| persia | Regarding architecture: images are supposed to set architecture, and nova scheduler does the right thing. When folk upload images without architecture hints, they are scheduled on the default architecture for the cloud. Accidents should only happen for misconfigured cloudds. Interop probably benefits from setting architecture on images to avoid the problem. | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | This is an instance where clouds may behave differently. Some clouds do conversion in the background. | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | Do tests exist in tempest to exercise that capability persia? | 16:30 |
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| persia | hogepodge: That I don't know. Sadly, somewhere between Grizzly and Queens, we lost track of architecture, and all the docs stopped recommending setting it: I don't know if the tempest multiarch tests degraded. For Rocky we now have the concept of a "default" architecture for a given cloud to work around that bug, but I don't know that any tempest tests were added to test that bit. | 16:31 |
| eglute | i am doing migrations now from old openstack versions to newer ones, and in some cases have to rely on glance images working properly. however, have not had to deal with different architectures. other than that, i must say that openstack is mostly interoperable between different openstack providers/deployers/operators as far as i have seen | 16:31 |
| eglute | i have not been setting architecture for images i dont think. I am not even sure you can pass architecture as a parameter on image create | 16:34 |
| persia | Note that it *is* possible to construct an UEFI image that can boot for multiple architectures, but I don't think glance supports this (other than by not specifying architecture). | 16:34 |
| persia | eglute: You very much can pass architecture on image storage in glance: it's one of the core properties. | 16:35 |
| eglute | thanks persia i will need to look a little more into it | 16:35 |
| eglute | persia i am not seeing it in the api. is that part of glance.conf, or something else? https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/image/v2/index.html#images | 16:36 |
| persia | eglute: Feel free to ask me (probably in #openstack-dev) if you have questions about it. | 16:36 |
| eglute | thanks persia | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | eglute: https://docs.openstack.org/glance/latest/admin/useful-image-properties.html | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | On my queens cloud arch is required. I did have to set hypervisor type on flavors for baremetal. I wonder if defaults are x86 centric | 16:38 |
| hogepodge | meant to say arch is not required | 16:38 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:38 |
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| persia | eglute: Look under "show detail" in GET /v2/schemas/images | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | So let's see....past that I think about the only thing open is "make consistency job gating" patch that hogepodge was working on.... | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/601633/ Make consistency job gating | 16:39 |
| eglute | thanks persia!! makes sense | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: just chugging along iterating on patchsets, looks like? | 16:40 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge for creating the patch | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | Once this lands (I just sent an update to address the issues this morning), we can add to Tempest. Talked with gmann and they're ok with making it a job in their repo once it's running. | 16:40 |
| eglute | great, thanks hogepodge | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | hopefully I got my ansible/yaml variable syntax right | 16:41 |
| eglute | hogepodge do you think there will be keystone or swift updates for the next guideline? | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | I'm not expecting any, but I haven't given it the attention it deserves. | 16:43 |
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| eglute | ok... i expect no major changes, but would be good to check | 16:44 |
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| markvoelker | anything else today? | 16:44 |
| eglute | markvoelker anything for heat? | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | Nope, not expecting anything. Chatted with Rico a bit in the hallway. Since we're not doing resource validation this cycle there's not likely to be any changes. | 16:45 |
| eglute | great thank you | 16:46 |
| eglute | i think that is it then unless someone has anything else for today | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | I should add: no changes in terms of new stuff being added, though we probably do need to promote some of the advisory stuff | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | I have an AI to do that but didn't get to it before dashing home for the hurricane | 16:47 |
| eglute | thanks | 16:47 |
| eglute | markvoelker hopefully no more hurricanes for you this year | 16:47 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 16:48 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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