Thursday, 2018-09-27

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tellesnobrega#startmeeting sahara14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 27 14:01:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'14:01
tellesnobregatosky?14:01
toskyo/14:01
tosky:D14:01
tellesnobrega:)14:01
tellesnobregajeremy is not showing up today14:01
tellesnobregaso I believe it will be just the two of us14:01
tellesnobregalets see if zchkun joins as well14:02
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tellesnobrega#topic News/Updates14:04
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zchkuno/14:05
toskyI'm still fighting with the s3 support for scenario tests in sahara-tests, but I'm slowly progressing (pushed an updated testing patch)14:05
tellesnobregaI'm still working on plugins split, it is close to an end, hopefully patch coming soon14:05
toskyI'm also trying to debug (since the PTG) the failure of the image building jobs, which seems to go away if we use curl instead of wget14:05
toskyand I sent out the hopefully final version of the documentation patch which restructures the image building sections14:06
tellesnobregatosky, I will review14:06
toskyit's huuuuge14:06
toskyif anyone else (especially the new people around in the channel) would like to check it, I'd be more than happy :)14:07
tellesnobregatrue14:08
guimaluftosky, I'm still using pike... otherwise I would appreciate to help14:08
tellesnobregaguimaluf, you can help with reviews for sure14:09
guimaluftellesnobrega, ok :)14:09
guimalufwhat is the url?14:09
toskyguimaluf: https://review.openstack.org/60418714:10
toskyit also touches sahara-image-create14:10
tellesnobregaguimaluf, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/sahara14:10
guimaluf:thumbsup:14:10
tellesnobregayou can check this for all patches related to sahara14:10
tellesnobregalet me know if you need some help with gerrit14:10
toskyat least sahara.git, then there few other repositories14:10
toskythe idea of that doc change is to move the instruction on image building in just one place, while now they are scattered around in plugin documentation14:11
tosky(and not all plugins)14:11
tellesnobregayes14:11
tellesnobrega#topic #Open Discussion14:13
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tellesnobregaI don't have any specific topics for today14:14
toskysooo, we have this fix for unit tests on newer distributions with openssl 1.1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605028/14:14
toskyso far Telles verified it, and RDO people checked it too on Fedora14:14
toskyshould we wait for Jeremy's second ack? In any case, it would be nice to have it merged before the end of the week14:15
toskyor at least soon14:15
toskyI can probably trigger at least the experimental multinode scenario job just to be sure14:15
tellesnobregalets do the following, I will ping jeremy for a review14:16
tellesnobregaif he doesn't comment before the end of the day I will merge it14:16
toskythis is the validation from RDO (see also the comments): https://review.rdoproject.org/r/#/c/16425/14:16
tellesnobregathanks14:17
toskyoh, I got feedback also from the Debian packagers, they already added that patch to the downstream rocky packages14:19
tellesnobreganice14:19
toskytalking about patches (nothing else on my side on that one, question for guimaluf14:20
toskyit looks like it was you that send the patch to add gentoo support ot sahara-image-elements: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603268/14:20
toskyapart from the small pep8 issue, it would be probably more future-proof to add the support to sahara-image-pack instead14:21
guimaluftosky, yes. but seems like sahara-image-builder is not in use anymore, right/14:21
tellesnobregaguimaluf, we are slowly dropping support to it14:21
toskyit's still used for the 3 plugins with no sahara-image-pack support (spark, storm, vanilla), but the plan is to implement the new building support for them too14:21
tellesnobregain favor or sahara-image-pack14:21
guimalufinteresting... I've not the opportunity to check and use sahara-image-pack since I'm using pike version14:22
toskydo you plan an upgrade soon-ish? :)14:22
guimaluftosky, I also did two inclusions within sahara-image-builder14:23
guimalufI've add an extra-elements option14:23
guimalufand include spark-bench as a new element14:23
guimalufbut I didn't submit it since the plan is to migrate to sahara-image-pack14:23
guimaluftosky, not that soon :/14:24
tellesnobregais your setup a production openstack?14:24
toskyif you have improvements that could be added to the spark image (or to the vanilla + spark image), like new services, please create a story on storyboard14:25
toskyso we don't forget to add it14:25
toskyor at least we know that we should add it14:25
toskyone of the question that we always ask ourselves (and discuss during the PTG) is how to find out which additional services are needed by Sahara users14:25
tellesnobregafeedback from real users like you is always really welcome and is what drives our direction14:26
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guimalufI thank you for this encouragement14:29
tellesnobregaand we thank you for your feedback14:29
guimalufI've two production environments with openstack, and we are beggining with spark...14:29
guimalufso I hope to contribute more closely to sahara project14:30
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guimalufnot spark* sahara*14:30
guimalufwe still use spark inside vms and manualy configured14:30
tellesnobregasahara will help with that14:32
tellesnobregayou can count on us to help out14:32
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guimalufI'm already counting and all your help are very usefull! :)14:32
tellesnobrega:D14:33
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tellesnobregaI guess we can close for now14:34
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tellesnobregathanks tosky and guimaluf14:34
tellesnobregasee you all at sahara channel14:34
guimalufcya!14:34
toskyo/14:34
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tellesnobrega#endmeeting14:37
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 27 15:00:38 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
mlavalleHi Swami15:00
tidwellr_hi15:00
mlavallehey tidwellr_15:01
haleybhi15:01
mlavalleis it getting cold in Minneapolis yet?15:01
slaweqhi15:01
tidwellr_yep, it's kind of depressing :)15:01
mlavalleThis morning, for the first time I had to wear a sweater to walk my dog in Austin15:02
Swamihi15:02
davidshaHi15:02
tidwellr_mlavalle: I see 3 foot snow drifts in my future15:02
mlavalleLOL15:02
mlavalleok, let's get started15:02
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:02
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mlavalleFirst one is a reminder that our next milestone is Stein-1, October 22 - 2615:03
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mlavalleSecond announcement is to highlight, for those who might not seen it, that I sent to the ML a summary of the PTG:15:04
mlavalle#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/135032.html15:04
davidshaThank you!15:05
mlavalleI hope I captured the discussion accurately15:05
mlavallePlease ping me or respond to the message if anything needs to be amended15:05
mlavalleFinally, we are within 45 days from the Summit in Berlin. I know because my employer allows us to do travelling arrangements once we are inside that window15:07
mlavalleso maybe some of you have to start making reservations as well15:07
mlavalleHope to see many of you in Berlin15:08
mlavalleAny other announcements?15:08
mlavalleok, let's move on15:08
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:08
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mlavalleSwami: please go ahead15:09
SwamiSure15:09
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/179249315:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1792493 in neutron "DVR and floating IPs broken in latest 7.0.0.0rc1?" [High,Triaged]15:09
mlavalleahh nice that you picked that one up15:10
mlavalleI was going to ask about it15:10
SwamiThis bug is not very clear as to what is causing this problem. Either the configuration of the external bridge or something else.15:10
Swamimlavalle: do you have the history behind this bug15:10
mlavalleno, I was triaging bugs in preparation for this meeting and I just looked at it15:10
Swamimlavalle: is it reproduceable15:10
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mlavalleI don't know. I am working on another bug right now. This bug would be the next one I try15:11
Swamimlavalle: one of the comment in there states about the unique MAC address and I think the bug reporter is confused between the host DVR Mac and the router macs.15:11
mlavalleunless someone yanks it forcibly out of my hands, of course15:11
SwamiAlso he had mentioned configuring the provider network with the right bridge might have solved his problems. I will give it a try.15:12
SwamiI am not sure what he mentioned about teamed vlan interfaces.15:12
mlavalleok, I will assume you are looking at that one then15:12
Swamimlavalle: Sure I will test it.15:12
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SwamiThe next one in the list is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/179430515:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1794305 in neutron "[dvr_no_external][ha] centralized fip show up in the backup snat-namespace on the restore host (restaring or down/up)" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)15:13
SwamiThere was patch up for review on this bug.15:13
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/60535815:14
SwamiPatch needs review. The fix is pretty trivial.15:14
SwamiThe next one in the list is15:14
mlavalledoes it look good to you?15:14
mlavalleI mean the fix15:14
Swamimlavalle: yes15:15
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/179352915:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1793529 in neutron "[dvr][ha][dataplane down] router_gateway port binding host goes wrong after the 'master' host down/up" [Undecided,New]15:15
SwamiThis one needs triaging.15:17
SwamiIt requires a HA setup and 4 node setup to test it. If anyone has a handy HA setup they can test it.15:17
mlavalleI have 3 nodes setup, but I can rapidly add a fourth one15:18
Swamimlavalle: ok can you check this out.15:18
mlavalleright now I have allinone/controller, compute1 and network15:18
mlavallewhat do I have to add? another compute?15:18
haleybliuyulong has also been good at proposing patches, sometimes before we can even triage15:18
Swamimlavalle: you need two network node for HA.15:19
mlavallethat I already have, becasue my allinone is also network node15:19
haleyband compute needs to be in mode dvr_no_external15:19
liuyulong3 nodes is enough for this bug.15:19
Swamihaleyb: yes, I did see I think he is currently extensively testing the dvr_no_external with DVR HA and finding all these issues.15:19
Swamiliuyulong: there you go.15:19
haleybliuyulong: thanks for all the bugs and fixes15:20
mlavalleliuyulong: ack, I'll try to test it15:20
Swamiliuyulong: So two network node and one compute is all is required?15:20
liuyulongbug 1793529 may involve with l2.15:20
openstackbug 1793529 in neutron "[dvr][ha][dataplane down] router_gateway port binding host goes wrong after the 'master' host down/up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179352915:20
liuyulongSwami, yes15:20
mlavalleliuyulong: if I get stuck I'll ask you questions in the bug15:21
Swamiliuyulong: thanks15:21
liuyulongSwami, np15:21
SwamiThe next one in the list is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178627215:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1786272 in neutron "Connection between two virtual routers does not work with DVR" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:21
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liuyulongmlavalle, OK15:21
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/597567 - patch is up for review.15:22
Swamihaleyb: slaweq: I have a question on this patch.15:22
haleybslaweq has been working on that, i had an update to help deal with a possible race condition15:22
SwamiI added a comment on what is still remaining in this patch.15:22
slaweqI didn't had time today to look into it yet15:23
slaweqI also had to remove my dvr env where I was testing it15:23
mlavalleand liuyulong left some comments last night.... well afternoon his time ;-)15:23
Swamihaleyb: Deleting a port with connected routers seems to be complicated.  With the existing logic, if we have more than one subnet and more than two routers connected together deleting is an issue.15:23
SwamiWe may have to retain all the router namespaces in the agent for all the connected routers, until the last Service port or VM from the compute related to all these routers is gone.15:24
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Swamihaleyb: slaweq: what is your opinion on that.15:24
haleybSwami: to avoid a race condition?15:25
Swamihaleyb: no it is a different topic.15:26
Swamihaleyb: the current 'get-routers_to_remove' function in the l3_dvrscheduler_db.py  has to be refined for the statement that I made above.15:26
slaweqTBH I don't know this code as good so I don't know :/15:27
SwamiI fixed a part of it, but still when we have multiple subnets and more than two connected routers we may have some problem, were it might delete the router namespace or the connected routers namepace and so the network will be broken.15:27
haleybSwami: yes, that seems ok, i would have to look at the code again15:27
slaweqI will need to take a look at the code and check then15:27
Swamislaweq: haleyb: I need to spend another day or two to refine that function a bit.15:28
Swamislaweq: I will update you on my findings.15:28
slaweqSwami: ok, thx a lot15:28
Swamislaweq: haleyb: Meanwhile if you can work on the race condition on the agent the liuyulong pointed out that might be ok to me.15:28
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slaweqk15:28
haleybSwami: i had a first pass, will look at the comments15:29
Swamihaleyb: thanks15:29
SwamiLet us move on.15:29
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/177445915:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1774459 in neutron "Update permanent ARP entries for allowed_address_pair IPs in DVR Routers" [High,Confirmed]15:29
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/60133615:30
Swamimlavalle: haleyb: slaweq: The patch is still work in progress.15:30
SwamiThis is based on the discussion we had at the PTG to send the packet to the ryu controller for processing with GARP.15:31
mlavalleyeap15:31
SwamiI have some code to handle the packet_in handler.15:31
Swamimlavalle: I had some questions on my approach, may be if anyone of you can check it out and let me your early comments on it.15:31
SwamiThat would be great.15:32
mlavalleare the questions in the patch?15:32
SwamiYes.15:32
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mlavalleack. will look at it15:32
SwamiIs yamamoto here?15:32
mlavallewell, he is connected, but he might be asleep15:32
mlavallebut chances are that he will be in tomorrow's drivers meeting15:33
mlavallethat's at 7am your time15:33
Swamimlavalle: ok no problem, since he was the original author of the native openflow controller, I thought he can also add his comment.15:33
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mlavalleoh, I'll ask him to look at the pacth tomorrow15:33
Swamimlavalle: ok, if I am not there you can update him on this discussion.15:33
SwamiOk Let us move on to next.15:34
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/179352715:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1793527 in neutron "[dvr_no_external][ha][dataplane down]centralized floating IP nat rules not install in every HA node" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)15:34
Swamithere is also a patch for this bug.15:34
Swami#link  https://review.openstack.org/60409415:35
SwamiReviews are ongoing on this patch, so nothing much to discuss.15:35
SwamiBut I might have a question to liuyulong on this patch15:35
Swamiliuyulong: are you there15:35
liuyulongyes15:35
SwamiSo when you update the floatingip nat rules into the SNAT namespace of the HA routers, are you still checking if the floatingip is intended for the centralized for the distributed?15:36
Swamithat one was not clear to me.15:36
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liuyulongYes, the check is needed, since we can't install policy route rules and iptables rules at same time.15:37
Swamiliuyulong: Ok I will test it out and give my feedback.15:38
Swamiliuyulong: thanks15:38
liuyulongSwami, np, : )15:38
Swamimlavalle: that's all I had for today. Back to you.15:38
mlavalleThanks15:38
mlavalleI have some other bugs15:39
Swamimlavalle: sure go ahead15:39
mlavallehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/179198915:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1791989 in neutron "grenade-dvr-multinode job fails" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)15:39
mlavalleany updates on this one, slaweq?15:39
slaweqmlavalle: still no15:40
mlavalleok, cool15:40
slaweqhaleyb said on Tuesday that he will add some extra logging there15:40
slaweqbut I don't know if he test something already15:40
haleybslaweq: yes, i'll get to that, haven't added it yet15:40
slaweqok :)15:40
mlavallethanks for the update :-)15:41
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178943415:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1789434 in neutron "neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_migration.NetworkMigrationFromHA failing 100% times" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Manjeet Singh Bhatia (manjeet-s-bhatia)15:41
mlavalleI don't see manjeets around15:41
mlavalleI'll ping him later today15:41
mlavalleI see slaweq is marking the related tests as unstable15:42
slaweqthis patch with marking tests as unstable is merged already I think15:43
mlavalleyeap15:43
mlavallejust making the point15:43
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178791915:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1787919 in neutron "Upgrade router to L3 HA broke IPv6" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:43
mlavalleI am currently working on this one15:43
mlavalleI was talking to the submitter in channel while we were in this meeting15:43
mlavalleI clarified a few things15:44
mlavalleand I'll continue working on it15:44
mlavalleThe last one I want to bring up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/179290115:44
openstackLaunchpad bug 1792901 in neutron "subnet pool can not delete prefixes" [Medium,New]15:44
mlavalleThis is not a bug. It might be a RFE. But before going that router, I would like to ask tidwellr_ if he can leave a comment as to why it is currently this way15:45
mlavallesince he is the author of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14869815:46
tidwellr_I'll take a look, there was a good reason15:46
mlavalleand the commit message explicitely mentions "Prefixes cannot be removed from the pool once added"15:46
tidwellr_I don't remember what it was :)15:46
mlavalleyeah, I was struggling with it last night. That's why I am asking for help15:47
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mlavalleI was hoping to find a comment where the exception is raised15:47
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mlavalleany other bugs we should discuss today?15:48
slaweqI reported one today15:48
slaweqhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/179480915:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1794809 in neutron "Gateway ports are down after reboot of control plane nodes" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)15:49
slaweqso I want to mention it here :)15:49
mlavallethanks15:49
mlavalleok, let's move on15:49
mlavalle#topic On demand agenda15:50
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slaweqit looks that when control plane is e.g. booting up it may happen that L3 agent is already up and tries to bind gateway ports but L2 agent is still down and ports are binding_failed15:50
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mlavalleAre there any other topics to discuss today?15:50
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mlavalleok, thanks for atteding! Have a great weekend15:51
liuyulongslaweq, IMO, the root cause is similar to bug 1793529.15:51
openstackbug 1793529 in neutron "[dvr][ha][dataplane down] router_gateway port binding host goes wrong after the 'master' host down/up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179352915:51
davidshaThanks!15:52
liuyulongslaweq, I have some clue, if the router host is power on, the gateway port may plug again, then l2 agent may bind it to this host.15:53
mlavalleshould we mark one of those bugs as duplicate?15:53
slaweqliuyulong: I'm not sure, I clearly saw in logs that port was failed to bind and was marked with binding failed and it happens after host was rebooted15:53
liuyulongslaweq, if the port is not binding failed, you may see the gateway port binding host is back to this rebooted host.15:54
liuyulongmlavalle, I'm not sure, we need to find the root cause first. : )15:56
slaweqbut bug which I reported is related to problem when L3 agent is up and L2 is down, port is then binding_failed and gateway is not working fine15:56
slaweqliuyulong: I think that in my case I know root cause and I'm not sure if those are duplicates in fact15:56
mlavalleok, let's investigate further and discuss in channel and / or the bugs15:56
slaweqbut maybe I'm wrong15:56
mlavallelet carry on for the time being15:56
mlavallelet's not mark anything as duplicate15:57
liuyulongOK15:57
mlavallesee you next week15:57
mlavalle#endmeeting15:57
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 27 15:57:37 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:57
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liuyulongslaweq, I will test your scenario, : )15:57
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slaweqliuyulong: thx :)15:59
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elmiko#startmeeting api_sig16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 27 16:00:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'api_sig'16:00
cdento/16:00
elmiko#chair cdent dtantsur edleafe16:00
edleafedammit you're too fast16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko16:00
dtantsuro/16:00
elmikoi even typed that one without copy paste16:00
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edleafeI was just about to press Enter when I saw you already started things16:00
elmikohaha16:01
elmiko#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda16:01
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elmiko#topic previous meeting action items16:01
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elmiko#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/16:01
elmikodon't think we had any actions last time16:01
edleafeI was supposed to write something16:01
cdentaction was to shut this down16:01
edleafeThe "fault tolerance" doc16:01
elmikoahh, thank you edleafe16:01
edleafetotally didn't do it :(16:02
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elmikohappens to the best of us ;)16:02
edleafeWell the other unspoken action item was to determine when to hold our office hours16:02
elmiko#topic discuss office hours16:02
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elmikoso, i think it would make sense to keep this time as one of the hours16:02
edleafeI could certainly be present for most weeks16:03
elmikoany objection to just moving this meeting time over to -sdks?16:03
edleafeWell, not a formal meeting time16:03
elmikoright16:03
elmikojust the time slot16:04
edleafebut we'd have the office hours in -sdks, not here16:04
elmikoi think so, that way we can free up the meeting channel16:04
elmikoalthough it's probably not needed16:04
elmikoi guess we'll need to update the wiki meeting times, is there also a governance doc we need to update?16:05
edleafedtantsur: you are the lone outlier, timezone-wise16:05
dtantsuryeah16:05
edleafewhen would be a good time for you16:05
edleafe?16:05
dtantsurthis one is fine, but often conflicts with evening meetups.16:05
dtantsurlike, now it's 6:05pm16:05
edleafeI was thinking maybe your morning would be better for APAC people16:05
dtantsurhaving it within the previous 6 hours would be better16:05
dtantsurprobably?16:06
dtantsurwhat's the convenient time for, say, China or Japan?16:06
edleafeIs Thursday a good day for you? Or is there a better day of the week?16:06
dtantsurThursday is fine16:06
elmikoprobably early in dtantsur's day would make the most sense to hit apac16:07
elmikoalso, should we maybe alternate weeks?16:07
edleafeChina is 6 hours ahead of Europe16:07
edleafeelmiko: I don't think so.16:07
elmikoi'm really concerned about loading up too much on dtantsur too16:07
dtantsurokay, so my 11am is 5pm there16:07
edleafeHe's tough, he can take it :)16:08
elmikolol16:08
dtantsurelmiko: I'm concerned nobody will show up :)16:08
edleafedtantsur: exactly16:08
dtantsuralso yes, I used to be a PTL, I had to become tough :D16:08
elmikook ok, i'm just trying to help here16:08
elmiko=)16:08
dtantsurbut I can allocate 11am-12pm on Thu to talk to people if they arrive16:08
elmikodtantsur ++16:08
dtantsur(11am my time aka CET - I rarely show up earlier)16:09
edleafedtantsur: so maybe 10am your time? So it's not too late for Japan/Australia, too?16:09
edleafeah, a late riser16:09
dtantsuryeah16:09
dtantsur11am for me should be 6pm for them - not ideal, but better than what we have now for sure :)16:10
dtantsurand I think they tend to stay late anyway..16:10
elmikoso, we are talking about 0900-1000UTC and 1600-1700UTC for office hours then, is that accurate?16:10
elmikoaccounting for dst, of course16:10
dtantsuryeah, DST messes up everything :)16:11
dtantsurbut I guess it's fine16:11
edleafeNot with UTC!!16:11
dtantsurwell, my time has DST, so it will oscillate between 10am and 11am for me16:11
elmikoyeah, i just didn't want dtantsur to think we were trying to make him wake up for a 10am ;)16:11
elmikoright16:12
elmiko0900UTC == 1100CET16:12
elmikoright now16:12
dtantsuryep, we're on summer time16:12
cdentI think besides announcing the office hours, if we put a "and any other time just ask in #openstack-sdks" we don't have to be super attentive to being around every week16:12
dtantsuranyway, it's okay16:12
elmikocdent ++16:12
dtantsurI work for home, so these things are slightly more flexible16:12
cdentin fact the whole point of office hours is to avoid forced schedules16:12
dtantsurs/for/from/ (though also for ofc)16:12
elmikoi'm thinking about what we need to update16:14
elmikois it just these 2:16:14
elmiko#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG16:14
elmiko#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/16:14
elmiko?16:14
edleafeI'd like to maintain some semi-formal structure16:14
edleafeEven if people rarely seek us out16:14
elmikome too edleafe, i think advertising the "official" hours is a good thing16:15
edleafeI mean, how many times have we had anyone other than us (and maybe mordred) attend our meetings?16:15
elmikobut i also would like to encourage to just ping if they have a question16:15
elmikoedleafe ++16:15
edleafeelmiko: Sure, just like they can do now16:15
elmikoyeah, good point16:16
elmikoany thing else on this topic?16:16
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edleafenope16:17
elmikoi can take an action to propose changes for the schedule repo and wiki16:17
elmiko#action elmiko update scheduling information about office hours16:17
elmiko#topic open mic and ongoing or new biz16:18
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elmikodo we need forum space in berlin?16:18
elmikodtantsur are you going to hold a bof session or something?16:18
mordrededleafe: how often am I even anywhere?16:19
edleafeI filled out the spreadsheet and did not request space16:19
edleafemordred: too often16:19
elmikoedleafe: ah, great. thank you16:19
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elmikoany other topics folks want to bring up?16:20
edleafeNope16:20
edleafeNothing from the GraphQL folks (shock!)16:20
elmikoheh16:20
cdentno way16:20
elmiko#topic guidelines16:21
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elmiko#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z16:21
cdentbtw, I was going to be bring virtual booze but I virtually forgot16:21
elmikodon't think there has been any change here16:21
elmikocdent: it's virtual! you can go back in time and grab some =)16:21
edleafecdent: no worries; I'm already virtually drunk16:21
elmikoLOL16:21
cdentcongrats!16:21
elmikowhat do we do about guidelines going forward, just work on them as needed?16:22
edleafeyeah, sounds about right16:22
elmikok16:22
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edleafeIf an issue comes up that needs discussion, there's always email16:22
elmikoyeah16:23
edleafe(and office hours!)16:23
elmiko=)16:23
elmiko#topic bug review16:23
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elmiko#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/103916:23
elmikosame story here, i don't think there is anything new16:23
elmiko#topic weekly newsletter16:23
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elmiko#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter16:23
elmikoi think it's only appropriate that i take the last one16:24
elmikounless someone else wants it =)16:24
edleafeOoh, goody - lots of grammar corrections!16:24
elmikohahaha16:24
elmikoare you volunteering then?16:24
elmikoXD16:24
cdentthanks everyone. I need to dash into town, but will be back on teh internets at the top of the hour16:24
elmikolater cdent o/16:25
edleafeciao16:25
cdentit's been real16:26
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elmikowell, if edleafe isn't going to fight me for the last newsletter, i suppose we have reached the end of this meeting =)16:26
elmikoanybody wanna drop some last words?16:26
edleafeThe end of *all* meetings16:26
elmiko#endmeeting16:26
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 27 16:26:35 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:26
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elmikothat seems poetic enough ;)16:26
elmikothanks again edleafe and dtantsur, it's been fun getting to see you both on a regular basis =)16:27
dtantsur\o/16:27
elmikoonce my tears dry up, i'll have a newsletter for edleafe to hack apart16:27
dtantsurelmiko: somehow missed your question: I did not plan anything16:27
elmikodtantsur: ack16:28
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