Thursday, 2020-04-23

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gibi#startmeeting nova16:00
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openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 23 16:00:32 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
gibio/16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'16:00
stephenfino/16:00
bauzas\o16:00
gmanno/16:00
lyarwoodo/16:00
melwitto/16:00
gibiwhat a nice crowd16:01
artom~o~16:01
dansmitho/16:01
gibi#topic Last meeting16:01
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gibi#link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-16-16.00.log.html16:01
gibiwe agreed not to bump compute RPC to 6.0 in Ussuri16:01
gibianything else we need to bring back from last meeting?16:02
aarentso/16:02
gibi#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)16:02
*** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)"16:02
gibiNo Critical bugs16:02
gibi#link 53 new untriaged bugs (-18 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New16:02
bauzas51 even ;)16:02
gibi\o/16:03
gibi(my data is from my morning)16:03
gibiwe need to keep an eye of possible regressions as Ussuri release is in 3 weeks16:03
gibi         RC critical bugs are tagged with ussuri-rc-potential #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ussuri-rc-potential16:03
gibibut don't have any at the moment16:03
gibianything else about bugs?16:03
gibi#topic Release Planning16:05
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gibiTODOs are tracked in the etherpad #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-ussuri-rc-potential16:05
gibiThe work on bp policy-defaults-refresh has been finished. This was the last feature we wanted for Ussuri.16:05
gibiWe will cut Ussuri RC1 today16:05
gibiReno prelude patch merged. Thanks bauzas.16:06
bauzasnp16:06
gibia small follow up for the prelude is on the gate16:06
bauzasthe FUP is on its way16:06
melwitt++16:06
gibicompute RPC alias patch has been merged. thanks takashi16:06
gmann++16:06
melwittto add the policy doc link right16:06
gibimelwitt: right16:06
bauzaswe need a second core for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718630/216:06
melwittcool16:06
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gibiWe still need to merge the revert of the turned off DB unit test https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718630/16:07
bauzasyup, this16:07
gibiyinx16:07
gibi:)16:07
melwittah yes, I can look at that16:07
bauzasand then we can cut RC116:07
gibiyes. that is the last patch I track16:07
gmannpolicy doc link on nova highlight for ussuri  is also merged16:07
bauzasgmann: yup, hence the FUP patch for the reno prelude16:07
gibigmann: thanks for that as well16:07
bauzasoh this16:07
bauzasmy bad16:07
gibiif anybody has anything that holds of RC1 then please tell me16:08
gmannnp!16:08
gibiLast possible RC date for Ussuri is 8th May, two weeks from now.16:08
gibiI'm not tracking any RC2 potential issues at the moment16:08
gibiPlease tag any RC critical bug with ussuri-rc-potential tag in launchpad16:08
bauzasonly regressions FTW16:08
gibiyes16:09
artomNoob question - is there doc that says what's rc critical?16:09
bauzasartom: tl;dr: only Ussuri regressions16:09
artomUnderstood16:09
sean-k-mooneywill it break upgrades or a new regreesssion16:09
melwittand if we have something like a regression, we usually also take the opportunity to add missing docs if there are any, fwiw16:09
bauzasthat and gate failures of course16:10
gibigood summar16:10
gibiy16:10
gibihtanks16:10
gibizigo will start debian packaging as soon as RC1 is cut so we might get feedback from there16:11
bauzasie. hold your stable/ussuri backports until GA, please :-)16:11
gibi+ ^^16:11
artomUnless it's rc ;)16:11
artom(right?)16:11
gibiright16:11
artom\o/16:12
gibiRC2 potential fixes needs to land on master first then backported to stable/ussuri16:12
gibianything else about the upcoming release?16:12
gibi#topic Stable Branches16:13
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gibistable/train 20.2.0 has been released16:13
gibilyarwood: anything else worth to mention from stable?16:14
bauzasshould we also tag stable/stein ?16:14
lyarwoodgibi: we have a few stable/stein reviews to go before releasing a version there as well16:14
bauzasah16:14
lyarwood#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/stein16:14
lyarwoodiirc the top 416:14
bauzasb/c/ stable branches will be a bit on-hold for 2 weeks since stable/ussuri will only be there for regressions16:15
bauzasgood opportunity to focus on stable branches then :)16:15
gibilyarwood: thanks16:15
gibi#topic Sub/related team Highlights16:16
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gibiPlacement (tetsuro)16:16
gibiAPI (gmann)16:17
gmannone update - brin pushed the updates on delete-on-termination PUT (was PATCH) spec to match the implementation.  - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/722194/16:17
gmannwe can wait for moving the specs into implemented folder for this ^^16:18
gibigmann: good point16:18
gmanni think sean-k-mooney is going to do that ? if i remember16:18
sean-k-mooneysure16:18
gibisean-k-mooney: thanks!16:18
gmannthanks16:18
gmannthat's all from my side.16:18
gibi#topic Stuck Reviews16:18
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gibinothing on the agenda16:18
gibiany review to talk about?16:19
dansmithgibi: I had a bunch of comments on that d-o-t spec update, btw16:19
bauzasthen I wouldn't want to hold the specs implemented change from sean-k-mooney16:19
gibidansmith: thanks for the review16:19
dansmithwe could move all to implemented other than that one and then move it when it's finished16:20
bauzaswe could just have brin's change depending on sean-k-mooney's one16:20
sean-k-mooneybauzas: the train one is making it way through the gate https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706276/ but i need to rebase teh ussuri one anyway https://review.opendev.org/#/c/721278/16:20
gmanndansmith: +1 that also works16:20
bauzasI just feel it's good to just say what we've done asap16:20
bauzasand just fix things later16:20
bauzasbut just a 2cts16:21
sean-k-mooneyi wont have the ussuri one rebased today so ill do it on monday16:21
bauzasmoving on16:21
gibiOK16:21
gibi#topic Virtual PTG planning16:21
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gibisummary mail #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014148.html16:21
gibiI need to book slots in the common schedule so we need to know how much slots we need, and what time slots we want to use16:21
gibiPlease fill the doodle (link in the ML post)16:21
gibiCurrent PTG topics are in #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-victoria-ptg16:22
gibiPlease add your topics16:22
gibiI will ask each topic proposer to either start an ML thread or propose a spec for his/her topic before the PTG so that we can have focused discussion during the PTG16:22
bauzasgibi: well, how many slots are you thinking we should take ?16:23
bauzasfwiw, I personally raised the fact that a one-week schedule is tight16:23
gibibased on the current etherpad we need one nova-neutron cross slot16:23
gibiand expecting 2-3 for the reset16:23
gibirest16:23
bauzasand I'm afraid of any virtual PTG fatigue we would get16:23
gibidepending on how much we can close before the PTG and how much new topic will pop up16:24
gibibauzas: I'm open to have discusson after the week of the PTG too if more time is needed16:24
bauzasso, 4 slots meaning 4 hours of discussion ?16:25
gibithat is my current estimate but please challenge it16:25
sean-k-mooneybauzas: each slot is 4 hours i think16:25
gibisean-k-mooney: no, we can book hour by hour16:25
bauzassean-k-mooney: that's not what I see from the agenda16:25
gibiagenda #link  https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy16:26
sean-k-mooneyyes i know we can book hour by hour sorry i ment the windows16:26
sean-k-mooneythey windows are 4 hour blocks with gaps16:26
bauzasok, this sounds doable then16:26
gmanni think 4 hours is max any team can  book in a day16:26
bauzasper day indeed16:26
bauzasbut if we stick with 4 slots, I'd propose to only have 2 slots per day16:26
gibiI might try to do a booking like one hour meeting, one hour break, one hour meeting16:27
bauzasand we could think of a 3rd day with a 2-hour slots as extra time16:27
sean-k-mooneyby the way i created https://github.com/SeanMooney/ptg-cal to convert that spread sheet into ical files16:27
bauzasgibi: one hour is IMHO too much constrained16:27
sean-k-mooneyill need to update it slightly but once its popluated i can send out the slots16:27
gibisean-k-mooney: thanks16:27
gmannsean-k-mooney: nice.16:28
gibibauzas: would be better a 1.5 hour slot + 0.5 hour break?16:28
bauzasgibi: we did this a while ago with Design Summit fishblows16:28
bauzasand this was really strechy16:28
dansmithmm, fishblows16:28
bauzaswas it 50-min-ish ? can't exactly remember how long it was16:28
artomDolphins use fishblows16:29
gibilol16:29
bauzasbut anway, I was thinking we could try to have a productivity during 2 hours with a 10-min break without being too much strained IMHO16:29
sean-k-mooneywe can sub schdulin withing the slots once we book them so we can just put a break in the aggenda for that slot if we need too16:29
gibibauzas: my point is that I want to have breaks between slots to have a way to stretch16:29
bauzasoh lol, pardon my French16:29
artomgibi, ++ to that16:30
bauzasgibi: I'm just worried that being around for 3 hours could be challenging for some folks not in a good TZ16:30
gibiagree ^^ so please everybody fill the doodle :)16:30
bauzascompared to a 2-hour long meeting with a short break16:30
gibi2 hour slot in 50 + 10 + 60 split works for me16:31
gibiand then repeate that for two consecutive day16:31
gibiand have third overflow day16:31
bauzasthis sounds reasonable16:32
bauzasand the foundation told us we could continue discussing the week after if we really need - or we could just hangouts16:32
gibiyepp16:32
gibianything else for the virtual PTG?16:32
sean-k-mooneydo we know what tool we will be using yet16:33
sean-k-mooneyor is that still tbd16:33
bauzasI wish they would use Jitsi16:33
gibiI don't know about the tooling16:33
gmanntbd, zoom is most probably but not final yet16:33
sean-k-mooneythey were lookign in to jitsi yes16:33
gibiI can use hangouts / zoom / MS Teams or anything that is free16:33
sean-k-mooneygmann: i was assuming zoom was out due to the secutity issues recently raised16:34
sean-k-mooneyanywy if its TBD we can move on16:34
gibisure16:34
gmannyeah16:34
bauzasyeah and I'd be afraid they'd turn into proprietary software too16:34
bauzasfor a foundation named OpenDEv16:34
bauzasbut meh16:34
artomPresumably it'll have to be Chinese-firewall friendly16:34
gibi#topic Open discussion16:35
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gibibauzas: your turn16:35
bauzaswell, nothing big to propose16:35
bauzasI'm about to send a ML thread to the list asking for volunteers to run a libvirt subteam16:35
bauzaswe had a couple of open changes in the past but no connection between people16:35
bauzasI thought it would be nice to just give them a bit of organization16:36
bauzasnothing really official but rather following the subteam principles16:36
bauzas #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova#Nova_subteams16:36
aarentsyeah I would be happy to humbly participate if possible16:36
bauzascool thanks!16:37
bauzasthe idea is just to self organize and see what we need in terms of coordination16:37
bauzasI'm not a big fan of meetings16:37
bauzasbut we can do multiple things, depending on what participants want16:37
bauzasmaybe having a tracking etherpad would be a good start16:37
gibiI support your idea of the subteam16:38
gibiIf I can help it any way then let me know16:38
bauzasokay, then I'll setup the birds of a feather and send the email16:38
gibicool. I will add your subteam to the meeting agenda16:38
bauzasonce we gather a list of participants, we'll organize ourselves for the next nova meeting16:39
* gmann need to update API subteam meeting wiki with 'no separate API meeting now '16:39
bauzasgmann: yeah, honestly, we could run office hours16:39
bauzasI just feel that there should still be *some* live coordination16:39
gmanntrue16:39
bauzasI just don't want to paper over16:40
bauzasanyway, this is sold, I'll send an email after the meeting16:40
gibibauzas: thanks16:40
gibianything else to discuss?16:40
gibithen thank you for joining16:42
sean-k-mooneyo/16:42
gibi#endmeeting16:42
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Apr 23 16:42:17 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:42
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-23-16.00.html16:42
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-23-16.00.txt16:42
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-23-16.00.log.html16:42
bauzasthanks gibi16:42
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