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| ttx | #startmeeting large_scale_sig | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 08:00:18 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' | 08:00 |
| ttx | #topic Rollcall | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 08:00 | |
| belmoreira | o/ | 08:00 |
| ttx | belmoreira: hi! | 08:00 |
| belmoreira | hi ttx | 08:01 |
| ttx | amorin mdelavergne ping | 08:01 |
| mdelavergne | hi ! | 08:01 |
| amorin | hello! | 08:01 |
| ttx | I don't see masahito connected yet | 08:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 08:02 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting | 08:02 |
| ttx | #topic Information from PTG sessions that are relevant to the SIG | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Information from PTG sessions that are relevant to the SIG (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 08:02 | |
| ttx | Did anyone attend any PTG session relevant to this SIG? | 08:02 |
| ttx | I did attend the Oslo track and gave a sTatus report on progress toward oslo.metrics | 08:02 |
| ttx | We agreed that once the initial code is posted, it will be reviewed for suggestions on making it more Oslo-like, if needed | 08:03 |
| ttx | Warned oslo-core people to expect it in the coming month | 08:03 |
| ttx | Anyone else with news from the PTG to share ? | 08:03 |
| ttx | belmoreira: were you able to attend the scientifig SIG session? | 08:04 |
| mdelavergne | I only had time to go to the Edge PTG | 08:04 |
| ttx | amorin: did you find time for ops meetup? | 08:04 |
| amorin | nop, I wasnt able to follow it | 08:05 |
| belmoreira | yes, I attended the scientific sig | 08:05 |
| ttx | anything related to large scale to share? | 08:05 |
| belmoreira | nothing special... trying to find the etherpad | 08:05 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/victoria-ptg-scientific-sig | 08:06 |
| ttx | ? | 08:06 |
| belmoreira | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/victoria-ptg-scientific-sig | 08:06 |
| ttx | I win! | 08:06 |
| belmoreira | :) | 08:06 |
| ttx | Looks like it was set up more as Q&A | 08:07 |
| belmoreira | one interesting thing that came up, was billing | 08:07 |
| belmoreira | but inside openstack we don't have anything native to solve this question | 08:07 |
| belmoreira | I'm sure that at large scale we all have a different way to do it | 08:08 |
| ttx | yeah, the state of metrics gathering / billing is not optimal | 08:08 |
| ttx | That was raised in TC discussions too | 08:09 |
| ttx | Anything else on PTG? | 08:09 |
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| belmoreira | maybe that is something that this group can give some feedback | 08:09 |
| ttx | belmoreira: yes I could see how we could help amplify that concern from the scientific SIG | 08:10 |
| ttx | waiting to see how/if the TC picks up that ball | 08:10 |
| belmoreira | not only that, but how we are workaround the problem | 08:10 |
| ttx | belmoreira: how about we add a section to our documentation etherpad asking our members how they solve it (custom code, ceilometer, monasca, something else...) | 08:12 |
| ttx | see if trends emerge | 08:12 |
| belmoreira | I think that would be good. Because we all must be doing a different thing | 08:13 |
| ttx | ok so I added line 33 on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-documentation | 08:13 |
| ttx | I'll log an action for us to document briefly how we do it (if that's something that can be publicly communicated) | 08:14 |
| ttx | #action all to describe briefly how you solved metrics/billing in your deployment on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-documentation | 08:14 |
| ttx | OK since we already talk about it, moving to next topic | 08:15 |
| ttx | #topic Progress on "Documenting large scale operations" goal | 08:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Progress on "Documenting large scale operations" goal (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 08:15 | |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-documentation | 08:15 |
| ttx | The patch against Nova doc was posted: | 08:15 |
| ttx | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/729190/ | 08:15 |
| ttx | The initial reaction is a bit negative, mostly due to the linked page containing so little information | 08:15 |
| ttx | I was wondering if we should improve the content on the wiki page a bit, before pushing again | 08:15 |
| amorin | yes, I agree with that | 08:16 |
| ttx | I think we can make a good case that it is a first step, and that something is better than nothing | 08:16 |
| ttx | But maybe we should improve the examples on the wiki page before we actually do that... | 08:16 |
| amorin | I can try to improve the wiki page | 08:16 |
| amorin | I have some content to push there, based on what we have in the etherpad | 08:16 |
| amorin | it's mostly a matter of doing it | 08:17 |
| ttx | ok, once you are done let me know and I'll help push it on the review | 08:17 |
| ttx | #action amorin to add some meat to the wiki page before we push the Nova doc patch further | 08:17 |
| ttx | Is there any other parameter we could document ? With two the benefit would be more obvious | 08:18 |
| amorin | plenty of params | 08:18 |
| ttx | (personally I think baby steps are good, but I'm not nova-core) | 08:18 |
| amorin | for exmaple the one related to db connection | 08:18 |
| amorin | or some others related to workers | 08:19 |
| amorin | rpc_workers, api_workers, etc. | 08:19 |
| ttx | yes those would be good. Also if we have a rule of thumb to apply to dimension those correctly, could be useful | 08:20 |
| amorin | yup | 08:20 |
| amorin | that's the hard part :p | 08:20 |
| ttx | OK. So I think the approach is still valid, it just needs to bring more information to be included | 08:20 |
| ttx | OK, anything else on this topic? | 08:21 |
| amorin | nop | 08:21 |
| ttx | I hope Opendev will allow us to collect more data and get more help to push this forward | 08:22 |
| ttx | #topic Progress on "Scaling within one cluster" goal | 08:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Progress on "Scaling within one cluster" goal (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 08:22 | |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-cluster-scaling | 08:22 |
| ttx | masahito is not around, and the code was not dropped yet | 08:22 |
| * ttx rechecks | 08:22 | |
| ttx | oh actually | 08:23 |
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| ttx | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/730753/ | 08:23 |
| masahito_ | o/ | 08:23 |
| masahito_ | sorry for the late. | 08:23 |
| ttx | I'll solve the merge conflict there | 08:23 |
| ttx | It's my fault as I put example content in | 08:24 |
| ttx | masahito_: I will get it in and notify oslo-core people | 08:24 |
| masahito_ | Thanks. Sorry for the slow sharing. | 08:25 |
| ttx | #action ttx to solve merge conflict and push initial oslo.metrics code in from https://review.opendev.org/#/c/730753/ | 08:25 |
| amorin | I will review it and maybe test it in our lab | 08:26 |
| ttx | I think adding tests will be the first thing to make it more openstacky | 08:26 |
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| ttx | #action all to review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/730753/ | 08:27 |
| ttx | Great to see progress there! Thanks masahito | 08:27 |
| ttx | anything else on this topic? | 08:27 |
| ttx | masahito_: I'll add you as oslo.metrics core so that you can help with +2 on the code reviews | 08:28 |
| ttx | as I expect some patches from oslo-core as they look into the code | 08:29 |
| ttx | and we should be in good shape to mention it during the opendev event | 08:29 |
| ttx | #topic Opendev event on Large scale operations, June 29 - July 1 | 08:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opendev event on Large scale operations, June 29 - July 1 (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 08:29 | |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LargeScaleOps_OpenDev | 08:30 |
| ttx | Registration is at: | 08:30 |
| ttx | https://opendev_largescale.eventbrite.com/ | 08:30 |
| ttx | Don't forget to register :) It's free | 08:30 |
| ttx | Schedule is up at https://www.openstack.org/events/opendev-2020/opendev-schedule | 08:31 |
| ttx | Questions? News? | 08:32 |
| belmoreira | some meeting ago I mentioned a blog regarding ironic scalability | 08:32 |
| ttx | yes I remember | 08:33 |
| belmoreira | we publish it like 2 weeks ago. for reference: https://techblog.web.cern.ch/techblog/post/conductor-groups/ | 08:33 |
| ttx | #link https://techblog.web.cern.ch/techblog/post/conductor-groups/ | 08:33 |
| amorin | nice | 08:33 |
| ttx | amorin: you are using custom code for bare metal instances, right? | 08:34 |
| amorin | yes, | 08:34 |
| amorin | we are using ironic in labs and plan to open it | 08:34 |
| amorin | but that's not yet ready | 08:34 |
| ttx | oh, great news! Will that ultimately replace your own system, or just be in addition to it? | 08:35 |
| amorin | anyway it's nice to see some scaled ironic deployment | 08:35 |
| amorin | I dont think it will replace it for now | 08:35 |
| amorin | but more be an addition, yes | 08:35 |
| ttx | we never replace, only add :) | 08:35 |
| ttx | #topic Next meeting | 08:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next meeting (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 08:36 | |
| ttx | Next meeting in two weeks... That's the week just before the Opendev event, so good timing for last-minute preparation | 08:36 |
| ttx | #info next meeting: Jun 24, 8:00UTC | 08:36 |
| ttx | Anything else before we close? | 08:36 |
| ttx | alright! Thanks everyone | 08:37 |
| belmoreira | thanks all | 08:37 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 08:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 08:37:08 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2020/large_scale_sig.2020-06-10-08.00.html | 08:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2020/large_scale_sig.2020-06-10-08.00.txt | 08:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2020/large_scale_sig.2020-06-10-08.00.log.html | 08:37 |
| masahito_ | Thanks | 08:37 |
| ttx | Talk to y'all in two weeks! Stay safe! | 08:37 |
| amorin | see you | 08:37 |
| mdelavergne | thanks everyone! | 08:37 |
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