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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 15:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| sweston | o/ | 15:01 |
| krtaylor | who's here for third party ci working group? | 15:01 |
| patrickeast | hi | 15:01 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:01 |
| asselin_ | hi | 15:01 |
| marcusvrn | Hi | 15:01 |
| BobBall | o_ | 15:01 |
| BobBall | That's a mostly. | 15:01 |
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| ja | 3pci | 15:02 |
| krtaylor | hi everyone! looks like we have a good group today | 15:02 |
| krtaylor | here's the agenda | 15:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#6.2F10.2F15_1500_UTC | 15:02 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:03 | |
| asselin_ | BobBall, are you double-booked? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Yup! | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Always am... But moving the other meeting (as it happens :) ) | 15:04 |
| * BobBall is also in #openstack-meeting :) | 15:04 | |
| krtaylor | The cinder volume driver deadline is June 19th, coming up | 15:04 |
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| krtaylor | re: double booking, I am hoping to fix that, we'll discuss in a bit | 15:04 |
| krtaylor | any other quick announcements or reminders? | 15:05 |
| asselin_ | cinder deadling is actually June 12th for CI to start posting 1 week before June 19th to be merged | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | ah, thanks for that clarification asselin_ | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | if nothing else, on to active work items then | 15:06 |
| krtaylor | #topic Monitoring dashboard status | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Monitoring dashboard status (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:07 | |
| krtaylor | just to level set, we had a good initial discussion in the Monday office hours meeting | 15:07 |
| krtaylor | the spec for the dashboard has stalled | 15:07 |
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| krtaylor | there are several instances of the scoreboard being seen around | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | Any examples worth sharing? | 15:08 |
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| krtaylor | so the question is, either we need to get support behind the existing spec | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Do these scoreboards look at all CIs or just their own? | 15:09 |
| krtaylor | yes, links coming | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | Also spec link would be good :) | 15:09 |
| krtaylor | spec: | 15:09 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/ | 15:09 |
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| krtaylor | I just had the scoreboard link, one sec | 15:10 |
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| asselin_ | patrickeast commented to use the scoreboard he setup | 15:10 |
| sweston | this spec has been difficult to move forward ... every time I think we are about to get a +2, somebody posts another review that stalls it. Reminds me of the charlie brown football. | 15:11 |
| sweston | http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack%2Fcinder&user=&timeframe=24 | 15:11 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, do you have that link handy? | 15:11 |
| sweston | ^ link for scoreboard | 15:11 |
| krtaylor | thats it, thanks sweston | 15:11 |
| sweston | krtaylor: yup | 15:11 |
| BobBall | "This web page is not available" | 15:11 |
| BobBall | does it work for others? | 15:11 |
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| asselin_ | works for me | 15:12 |
| mmedvede | wfm as well | 15:12 |
| BobBall | Stupid corporate firewall! | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | do we need a spec to do the scoreboard? | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast made one w/o a spec | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | so I'm questioning the purpose of the spec really.... | 15:12 |
| patrickeast | sry, i keep dropping off the meeting (on my phone) | 15:13 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, good question, but the initial radar was also made w/o spec | 15:13 |
| patrickeast | asselin_: i was wondering about that too | 15:13 |
| asselin_ | I was looking at this unrelated spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188574/ | 15:13 |
| krtaylor | I can see where sweston would think that was somewhat unfair | 15:13 |
| asselin_ | and basically, someone set something up, and wrote a spec afterwards to host it by openstack | 15:13 |
| krtaylor | since sweston had to go through the painful spec process | 15:13 |
| patrickeast | i agree 100%, its kind of backwards | 15:14 |
| asselin_ | I think we should do something similar for the dashboard | 15:14 |
| patrickeast | but on the other hand… we need something | 15:14 |
| patrickeast | whether its my scoreboard, or sweston’s dashboard, or radar or whatever | 15:14 |
| sweston | yup, this is the circle we've been in for months | 15:15 |
| asselin_ | get something working, iterate, and once we're happy, copy that spec outline to have it hosted by infra | 15:15 |
| patrickeast | and i think i’m not alone in saying that waitin for another round of spec hmm-hawing isn’t going to get us anywhere | 15:15 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, +1 | 15:15 |
| krtaylor | agreed, so the question is, do we stay with the new radar? | 15:15 |
| patrickeast | unless our goal is to revisit it again in M | 15:15 |
| sweston | radar should be the permanent solution ... the scoreboard is good for adhoc reporting, but does not help the understanding of history and trends | 15:16 |
| asselin_ | M is for Maybe | 15:16 |
| patrickeast | sweston: +1 | 15:16 |
| patrickeast | one thing im wondering is if maybe we are having this conversation in the wrong venue | 15:17 |
| patrickeast | since clearly even if we all agree on something it wont make it happen | 15:17 |
| patrickeast | we kind of need the infra cores to back it | 15:17 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, no we don't | 15:17 |
| patrickeast | aren’t they the +2’s we need on that spec? | 15:17 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, you didn't to create the scorecard | 15:17 |
| patrickeast | true | 15:18 |
| krtaylor | so, I'd propose, abandoning the spec, having infra host scoreboard for a tactical solution, then radar for the strategic way forward | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, goes back to what I was saying...why do we need the spec at all? | 15:18 |
| patrickeast | asselin_: haha yea, fair point | 15:18 |
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| krtaylor | exactly, stand up one, patch to have it hosted, that would be the spec | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | so, we do need a spec to have infra host scoreoard | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | or host radar | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | I'd say no, else we would have had an approved spec long ago | 15:19 |
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| asselin_ | and if we want a spec, it should be in third-party-specs where we can +2 it ourselves | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | hm, good point | 15:20 |
| sweston | krtaylor: I like your plan. I am reluctant to abandon the spec, as in my opinion I don't think the spec should be related to infra hosting the solution | 15:20 |
| sweston | asselin_: yes, that would be a good solution, +1 | 15:20 |
| krtaylor | sweston, it can remain actually, or we can have a third-party-specs copy | 15:21 |
| wznoinsk | sweston: sorry to inject out of nowhere here, would nagios check and bothering alert email be just enough? you can pull report from nagios on how many times the check failed/what status of the check was (like CI name that was suspected) ? | 15:21 |
| krtaylor | wznoinsk, lets have that discussion in the open discussion at the end of the meeting | 15:21 |
| asselin_ | wznoinsk, I think we need something more visual to compare all 3rd party cis | 15:22 |
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| krtaylor | oh, as an alternative, understand now | 15:22 |
| sweston | wznoinsk: no problem ... nagios needs data to run against, the dashboard is for the collection of the data | 15:22 |
| krtaylor | yes, we know email will be ignored | 15:22 |
| sweston | krtaylor: hehe | 15:22 |
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| krtaylor | so, do we have an agreement? | 15:23 |
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| asselin_ | krtaylor, can you summarize just to be clear? | 15:23 |
| sweston | krtaylor: can you clarify what is on the table now | 15:24 |
| krtaylor | I think we all agree on scoreboard immediately, radar long term | 15:24 |
| asselin_ | +1 | 15:24 |
| sweston | can we vote? makes me feel important ... | 15:24 |
| sweston | ;-) | 15:24 |
| krtaylor | hehheh sure | 15:24 |
| asselin_ | let's see if it works this time | 15:24 |
| krtaylor | #startvote | 15:25 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | lol | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | nope | 15:25 |
| asselin_ | #help | 15:25 |
| sweston | ah, well, most fun I've had all week. | 15:25 |
| sweston | +1 for scoreboard short term, dashboard long term | 15:25 |
| patrickeast | +1 | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | #startvote scoreboard immediately, radar long term | 15:25 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 15:25 |
| ja | +1 | 15:25 |
| marcusvrn | +1 | 15:26 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 15:26 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, use #help | 15:26 |
| asselin_ | +1 | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | #help startvote | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | #help | 15:26 |
| BobBall | +1 | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | lol | 15:26 |
| asselin_ | or not :) | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 15:26 |
| BobBall | I don't see any -1s though! | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | I can show it this way | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | #topic Vote on scoreboard immediately, radar long term | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vote on scoreboard immediately, radar long term (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:27 | |
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| krtaylor | #topic Vote results: 7 voting +1, 0 voting -1 | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vote results: 7 voting +1, 0 voting -1 (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:27 | |
| asselin_ | Example: #startvote Should bshum be the release manager from now on? Yes, No | 15:28 |
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| krtaylor | #startvote scoreboard immediately, radar long term? yes, no | 15:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: scoreboard immediately, radar long term? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:28 |
| BobBall | #vote yes | 15:28 |
| krtaylor | #vote yes | 15:29 |
| asselin_ | #vote yes | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | #vote yes | 15:29 |
| sweston | #vote yes | 15:29 |
| marcusvrn | #vote yes | 15:29 |
| BobBall | You're right sweston - it does make me feel important. | 15:29 |
| krtaylor | yea, we figured out the vote | 15:29 |
| sweston | BobBall: right? ;-) | 15:29 |
| patrickeast | #vote yest | 15:29 |
| openstack | patrickeast: yest is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no. | 15:29 |
| patrickeast | #vote yes | 15:29 |
| patrickeast | whew | 15:29 |
| krtaylor | hahhahaaaa | 15:29 |
| patrickeast | almost missed it and paniced | 15:29 |
| krtaylor | anyone else? | 15:30 |
| patrickeast | panicked even | 15:30 |
| krtaylor | #topic Monitoring dashboard | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Monitoring dashboard (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:31 | |
| sweston | I hate to get stuck on this, but I do not feel that we've solved the second issue of what to do about the current spec | 15:31 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, need to #endvote | 15:31 |
| krtaylor | last call | 15:31 |
| BobBall | Was going to say, shouldn't it be finished ;) | 15:31 |
| krtaylor | #endvote | 15:31 |
| openstack | Voted on "scoreboard immediately, radar long term?" Results are | 15:31 |
| openstack | yes (7): asselin_, krtaylor, sweston, BobBall, marcusvrn, mmedvede, patrickeast | 15:31 |
| krtaylor | cool, so the question is: what to do with the spec? | 15:32 |
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| asselin_ | I think we need a new spec to get scoreboard hosted by infra | 15:33 |
| krtaylor | do we want a third-party-specs | 15:33 |
| krtaylor | do we need a spec for that? I guess infra should answer that | 15:33 |
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| asselin_ | do we need a new repo? or just add a folder to out exiting? | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, yes we do | 15:34 |
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| krtaylor | folder in thrid-party-ci-tools? | 15:35 |
| krtaylor | third | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, yes | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, or a new third-party-ci-tools-spec repo? | 15:35 |
| krtaylor | that would give us a place for the existing spec, sweston 's | 15:36 |
| sweston | I think the other factor is, that this spec should have been closed a long time ago, but there has not been a +2 quick enough from a core, and then additional questions get posted to it. We had agreement on this spec a month ago | 15:36 |
| sweston | so I am inclined to move it to a place where we can approve it | 15:37 |
| krtaylor | yes, and we have 2 topics here | 15:37 |
| krtaylor | 1) spec 2) hosting | 15:37 |
| sweston | yes, may we vote, again on 1, and then we can vote on 2 | 15:37 |
| krtaylor | how about we just make a dir under the tools repo for now, we can always pull it out into a new repo | 15:38 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, +1 | 15:38 |
| sweston | krtaylor: +1 | 15:38 |
| krtaylor | so the proposal is: move the existing radar spec to a /spec dir under the third-party-ci-tools repo | 15:38 |
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| asselin_ | #agree move the existing radar spec to a /spec dir under the third-party-ci-tools repo | 15:39 |
| krtaylor | #startvote move the existing radar spec to a /spec dir under the third-party-ci-tools repo? yes, no | 15:39 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: move the existing radar spec to a /spec dir under the third-party-ci-tools repo? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:39 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | #vote yes | 15:39 |
| sweston | #yes | 15:39 |
| krtaylor | now I am abusing the start vote tool :) | 15:39 |
| mmedvede | #vode yes | 15:39 |
| sweston | ah .. | 15:39 |
| sweston | #vote yes | 15:39 |
| mmedvede | #vote yes | 15:39 |
| krtaylor | #vote yes | 15:39 |
| marcusvrn | #vote yes | 15:39 |
| ja | #vote yes | 15:40 |
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| sweston | krtaylor: feels good, though ... right? | 15:40 |
| krtaylor | lol | 15:40 |
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| krtaylor | last call | 15:40 |
| krtaylor | #endvote | 15:41 |
| openstack | Voted on "move the existing radar spec to a /spec dir under the third-party-ci-tools repo?" Results are | 15:41 |
| openstack | yes (6): asselin_, krtaylor, sweston, marcusvrn, mmedvede, ja | 15:41 |
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| krtaylor | cool, so, last is, spec for hosting or just patchset | 15:41 |
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| krtaylor | let's see if a patch will do it, pointing to a running copy of scoreboard, that might be spec enough | 15:42 |
| krtaylor | comments? | 15:42 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, not sure we have an option....or I'm misunderstanding | 15:42 |
| sweston | I am not following either, a patch to what, exactly | 15:43 |
| krtaylor | not sure either, the process of hosting vs spec | 15:44 |
| krtaylor | do vs. talk about it | 15:45 |
| mmedvede | getting it hosted by infra vs hosting ourselves? | 15:45 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, we can't just 'do' if we want infra to host it | 15:46 |
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| krtaylor | yes, thats the question | 15:46 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, but if we host it ourselves, no spec needed | 15:46 |
| mmedvede | I think it is better for infra to host it | 15:46 |
| krtaylor | ok, now I understand your comment | 15:46 |
| krtaylor | yes, we want infra to host | 15:46 |
| asselin_ | if scoreboard is shorterm, we can consider hosting ourselves | 15:46 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast already has one hosted | 15:47 |
| krtaylor | but where is that hosted? | 15:47 |
| krtaylor | ourselves is infra :) | 15:47 |
| asselin_ | amazon lol :) | 15:47 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 15:47 |
| sweston | yeah, but infra hosting it has the benefit of standardizing on the url, one supported place for everyone to go | 15:47 |
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| marcusvrn | and how can we contribute to the patrickeas's scoreboard? | 15:48 |
| mmedvede | But patrickeast is paying for it, and it would not be enough once it would get a lot of hits | 15:48 |
| patrickeast | haha yea its a very small vm on ec2 | 15:48 |
| patrickeast | it couldn’t handle much more load than it gets now | 15:48 |
| krtaylor | agreed, infra needs to host so that all projects can use it as a reference for CI system reliability | 15:48 |
| marcusvrn | I cloned the scoreboard and added more CIs, for example | 15:48 |
| sweston | patrickeast should have some ads at the top for revenue generation | 15:48 |
| patrickeast | it is technically sponsored by Pure Storage | 15:48 |
| sweston | hehe | 15:48 |
| patrickeast | i’m using my work account | 15:48 |
| asselin_ | +1 for ad support :) | 15:49 |
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| patrickeast | lol | 15:49 |
| mmedvede | haha | 15:49 |
| marcusvrn | lol | 15:49 |
| asselin_ | we'd get a lot of hits for sure | 15:49 |
| krtaylor | marcusvrn, you can patch the third-party-ci-tools/scoreboard for improvements | 15:49 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://github.com/stackforge/third-party-ci-tools/tree/master/monitoring/scoreboard | 15:50 |
| asselin_ | I can help write a spec to get it hosted by infra | 15:50 |
| krtaylor | ok, so the proposal is to have infra host the scoreboard for an immediate solution | 15:51 |
| krtaylor | another vote ? :) | 15:51 |
| sweston | whohoo, one more abuse of the voting? | 15:51 |
| asselin_ | let's vote to vote | 15:51 |
| sweston | I say go | 15:51 |
| marcusvrn | krtaylor: ok | 15:51 |
| krtaylor | any no's? | 15:51 |
| krtaylor | (running out of time) | 15:52 |
| krtaylor | last call | 15:52 |
| krtaylor | ok, asselin_, you have the pen on that spec? | 15:52 |
| asselin_ | sure | 15:52 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, I'll be happy to help, I'm sure others will review as well | 15:53 |
| krtaylor | sweston, any other thoughts? | 15:54 |
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| sweston | krtaylor: nope, you've got them all for the moment | 15:54 |
| krtaylor | sweston, again, I want to thank you for all the hard work on the spec and radar code, it was a great effort | 15:54 |
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| krtaylor | we'll keep this moving | 15:54 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Meeting frequency and time | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting frequency and time (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:55 | |
| sweston | krtaylor: you're welcome! and thanks for the appreciation, feels good | 15:55 |
| marcusvrn | krtaylor: short term means how much time for scoreboard? | 15:55 |
| krtaylor | quickly, I want to mention that I have proposed moving this meeting time and day | 15:55 |
| asselin_ | marcusvrn, until radar is ready | 15:55 |
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| krtaylor | here is the proposal: | 15:55 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190221/ | 15:56 |
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| krtaylor | please review | 15:56 |
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| krtaylor | oops it failed, gotta fix that | 15:56 |
| krtaylor | anyway, I'll also follow up with email | 15:56 |
| marcusvrn | krtaylor: agreed! This meeting is at my lunch time :P | 15:57 |
| krtaylor | the proposal is to move for less neutron and cinder conflicts, eliminate poorly attended 0400UTC time | 15:57 |
| sweston | jenkins checks ical files now? but my coffee maker is still broken ... | 15:57 |
| krtaylor | we are also discussing TPCIWG items in the Monday meetings now, so I see less need for this time every week, move to every other | 15:58 |
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| * patrickeast should start going to monday meetings again | 15:58 | |
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| mmedvede | me too | 15:58 |
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| krtaylor | we can continue to have deeper dives on topics here | 15:59 |
| krtaylor | almost out of time | 15:59 |
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| krtaylor | thanks everyone, really good meeting today | 15:59 |
| sweston | yes, thanks all | 15:59 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 16:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-10-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-10-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-10-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| rhallisey | #startmeeting kolla | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 16:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhallisey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:01 |
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| rhallisey | #topic rollcall | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| rhallisey | hello | 16:01 |
| pdb | hi | 16:01 |
| Kupo24z | hi | 16:01 |
| jpeeler | hi! | 16:01 |
| mstachow | hi :) ! | 16:01 |
| SamYaple | here i am | 16:01 |
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| juggler | o/ [visiting..] | 16:01 |
| Slower | o/ | 16:01 |
| sdake | yar folks o/ | 16:01 |
| sdake | hey juggler visiting :) | 16:02 |
| juggler | yello sdake! | 16:02 |
| rhallisey | hey hall | 16:02 |
| rhallisey | hey all | 16:02 |
| kevsi_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| loth | hey | 16:02 |
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| rhallisey | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:03 | |
| rhallisey | Ok so we are looking to do a mid cycle meetup | 16:03 |
| rhallisey | #link http://doodle.com/su62amktdrp5mrez | 16:03 |
| rhallisey | lets take ~2min to check that out | 16:04 |
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| rhallisey | it will be help in San Jose | 16:04 |
| sdake | help is the right word :) | 16:04 |
| rhallisey | held* | 16:04 |
| rhallisey | ha | 16:04 |
| jasonsb | are you interested in having new people attend or is it more of a working session? | 16:05 |
| rhallisey | any Kolla dev is welcome, it looks like we will have good participation | 16:05 |
| sdake | jpeeler around? | 16:05 |
| sdake | i also invited the operators | 16:05 |
| sdake | i get mandre can't make it from europe | 16:05 |
| jpeeler | i'm here | 16:05 |
| sdake | curious what your conflicts are for the second two weeks | 16:06 |
| sdake | is it like a pto thing? | 16:06 |
| pdb | it would be cool if you could do some hangouts as part of it | 16:06 |
| rhallisey | jasonsb, I would say it's a working session, but there are lots of new people so I would say anyone is welcome | 16:06 |
| pdb | for us who can't make it across the water | 16:06 |
| jasonsb | rhallisey: awesome | 16:06 |
| jpeeler | sdake: i'm going to be on my honeymoon! | 16:06 |
| jpeeler | but i doubt there's travel funds for me anyway | 16:06 |
| sdake | jasonb absolutely midcycles are open to the public | 16:06 |
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| sdake | oh no shit | 16:06 |
| sdake | well grats to ya ! | 16:07 |
| rhallisey | daneyon, hey | 16:07 |
| daneyon | hey | 16:07 |
| sdake | jpeeler I may have to schedule you out of the meeting looking at the current poll stats unfortunately | 16:07 |
| bmace | +1 pdb. not sure if you are having this stuff in a room that has video-conf tech for remote folks. | 16:07 |
| sdake | hey dnayeon | 16:07 |
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| sdake | we will likely have full telepresence via webex | 16:07 |
| sdake | but I can't confirm until I have dates | 16:08 |
| sdake | that is why it wasn't in the announcement post | 16:08 |
| rhallisey | I'm sure we can accommodate | 16:08 |
| jmccarthy | Did I miss rollcall ? | 16:08 |
| jpeeler | sdake: thanks! it's ok - not sure about funding like i said | 16:08 |
| rhallisey | jmccarthy, yes, that's ok :) | 16:08 |
| jmccarthy | I'm here =) | 16:08 |
| juggler | I think the bot recorded you jmcc :) | 16:08 |
| rhallisey | ok next, there has been a suggestion to change the time of this meeting from 1600 UTC to 1700 UTC | 16:09 |
| * jpeeler just saw the telepresence comment | 16:09 | |
| SamYaple | no | 16:09 |
| rhallisey | if you have an issue with that or you like that idea please respond on the email thread with a +1 or a -1 | 16:09 |
| SamYaple | i can barely stay up for this one | 16:09 |
| pdb | yeah I already replied on the mailing list but it would be a -1 from me | 16:09 |
| sdake | samyaple do you usually make the 2200 meeting? | 16:10 |
| SamYaple | no | 16:10 |
| juggler | SamY curious, what is the localtime for you? | 16:10 |
| rhallisey | express your concern via mailing list and we will address that time in two weeks | 16:10 |
| SamYaple | Central/US, but im thirdshift juggler | 16:10 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: will do | 16:10 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, thanks | 16:10 |
| rhallisey | #topic Manifesto Definition Finalization | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Manifesto Definition Finalization (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:11 | |
| rhallisey | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-manifesto | 16:11 |
| juggler | SamY ouch, thanks for being here then :) | 16:11 |
| SamYaple | no thank YOU juggler | 16:11 |
| rhallisey | last week we voted on this | 16:11 |
| rhallisey | I just wanted to see if we can come to a final consensus | 16:11 |
| juggler | may i make two observations of feedback? | 16:12 |
| sdake | juggler no | 16:12 |
| juggler | ok :) | 16:12 |
| sdake | you mean on the manifesto? | 16:12 |
| juggler | sure | 16:12 |
| juggler | actually 3 | 16:12 |
| sdake | which feedback, if its the stuf we did last week no | 16:13 |
| sdake | if its the stuff in lines 5-20 yes :) | 16:13 |
| juggler | the stuff in line 5 | 16:13 |
| sdake | ok feel free :) | 16:13 |
| juggler | and line 1 | 16:13 |
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| juggler | line 5: I think the "is" should be an "are" | 16:14 |
| rhallisey | anyone who hasn't approved/disapproved leave a +1/-1 below line 5 | 16:14 |
| juggler | line 5: I think "production ready" should be "production-ready" | 16:14 |
| rhallisey | juggler, leave your feedback as a comment | 16:14 |
| sdake | juggler this is what he voting is for :) | 16:14 |
| rhallisey | I think most of the community is voted, but anyone who hasn't yet you have 2 min | 16:15 |
| juggler | line 1: Although Manifesto is a valid word, it does weigh some possibly controversial connotations. Perhaps considering a different word, such as "framework" or "action plan" might be suitable considering the open source community experience | 16:15 |
| inc0 | community's manifesto... | 16:16 |
| juggler | just some outside observations :) | 16:16 |
| bmace | manifesto is fine. just because some people have had some odd / questionable ones doesn't make the word invalid :) | 16:16 |
| sdake | bmace+1 voice of reason ;) | 16:17 |
| rhallisey | It seem like the general idea and most of the wording is in agreement | 16:18 |
| rhallisey | that is good progress | 16:18 |
| sdake | can we finalize the wording ? :) | 16:18 |
| pdb | when do we get the tshirts? | 16:18 |
| SamYaple | pop the champange | 16:18 |
| juggler | pdb lol | 16:18 |
| bmace | how do you want to do that sdake? have folks write out the full thing with final wording and then vote on those? | 16:18 |
| juggler | rhallisey indeed | 16:19 |
| sdake | bmace seems to heavyweight | 16:19 |
| rhallisey | sdake, yes, but we need to make another draft | 16:19 |
| sdake | bmace there is one bone of conflict, the use of is vs are | 16:19 |
| bmace | or come up with a summary of the micro-changes to the existing one and then people vote on those? the is vs. are thing is a common one. | 16:19 |
| SamYaple | i say git commit and let the patches decide | 16:19 |
| sdake | both is and are are wrong here imo | 16:19 |
| bmace | sure, i think there are several suggestions to yank or re-order a couple of words, some for the sake of minimum verbosity. | 16:19 |
| sdake | what would be best is which, which removes the plurality | 16:20 |
| pdb | danehans suggestion is perfect imo | 16:20 |
| rhallisey | I agree with danehans suggestion also | 16:20 |
| pdb | I think that part came from my original suggestion, my intention was it was the OpenStack that results from kolla that is fast/stable etc. | 16:20 |
| sdake | danehans suggestion sovles problem | 16:20 |
| sdake | can someone make a new draft above the old draft (rhallisey?) with the suggested change so we can read i t in full glory | 16:21 |
| rhallisey | ya I got it | 16:21 |
| sdake | ok quick check for errors | 16:22 |
| sdake | i dont think we need to revote or anything since the wording doesn't materially change the mission | 16:22 |
| rhallisey | fine with me | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | yup | 16:22 |
| rhallisey | any objections.. let me look at other comments | 16:22 |
| juggler | how about production-ready ? | 16:23 |
| sdake | juggler that is probably better | 16:23 |
| rhallisey | I'm fine with that | 16:23 |
| rhallisey | jmccarthy, you had another comment? | 16:23 |
| rhallisey | anyone else? | 16:24 |
| juggler | just from what i've seen in industry :) | 16:24 |
| jmccarthy | Not intentionally - just the one | 16:24 |
| rhallisey | jmccarthy, I like having fast as an adjective for kolla | 16:24 |
| jmccarthy | Ok I have no major gripe with it, I was just trying to find something to chop | 16:25 |
| sdake | agree i like fast | 16:25 |
| pdb | +1 on fast | 16:25 |
| rhallisey | ok cool | 16:25 |
| bmace | +1 for trying to be fast at least :) | 16:25 |
| rhallisey | good work on that | 16:25 |
| rhallisey | lots of community input | 16:25 |
| sdake | trying to be fast lol :) | 16:25 |
| rhallisey | moving on | 16:25 |
| sdake | ya brain melt making that one happen ;) | 16:25 |
| rhallisey | #topic Continuous integration | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Continuous integration (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:25 | |
| sdake | I'll update the wiki with it soon | 16:25 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, jpeeler any updates? | 16:25 |
| SamYaple | i have not been able to provice jpeeler with an aio networking deal yet | 16:26 |
| jpeeler | no, i've been waiting on the networking changes ow baremetal installs to communicate properly | 16:26 |
| SamYaple | linux-bridge agent is messing with the l2 stuff | 16:26 |
| SamYaple | i can get ovs to work | 16:26 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, any idea for a time frame? | 16:26 |
| SamYaple | honestly i dont know if linux bridge can work with a single nic | 16:27 |
| * sdake groans | 16:27 | |
| SamYaple | yea my reaction too | 16:27 |
| rhallisey | :( | 16:27 |
| sdake | samyaple what about with that mosnterof a script i pasted using bridges | 16:27 |
| * SamYaple groans | 16:27 | |
| sdake | could that be in some way used even if it were hacky | 16:28 |
| SamYaple | if it can be hacky, then creating a few vlxan interfaces hsould work | 16:28 |
| SamYaple | but it will be hacky for sure | 16:28 |
| sdake | i think we are good with hacky | 16:28 |
| jpeeler | really just want signle nic solution | 16:28 |
| bmace | hacky > impossible | 16:28 |
| SamYaple | i cant get floating ips to work is the issue here | 16:28 |
| sdake | what does it take teo create vxlan interfaces | 16:28 |
| juggler | bmace +1 | 16:28 |
| SamYaple | i mean with a single interface, im not sure about vxlan | 16:28 |
| rhallisey | ok needs further investigation.. noted | 16:29 |
| sdake | well dont care how its done, but needs to be done - if you can't do it, I'm not really sure what the next step is | 16:29 |
| sdake | because I tried andfailed, fang tried and failed, you tried and resultspending :) | 16:30 |
| sdake | your our last great hope :) | 16:30 |
| harmw | hi guys! | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | why can we not use two or more interfaces again? | 16:30 |
| rhallisey | harmw, hey | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 16:30 |
| sdake | samyaple the gate machine only has one interface I think | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | ok | 16:30 |
| sdake | its not like we get to say "hey I want 4 routed interfaces" to infra | 16:30 |
| sdake | jpeeler, can you double check that tho | 16:30 |
| jpeeler | and i'm sure others only have one nic too | 16:31 |
| sdake | it maybe we get two interfaces | 16:31 |
| harmw | my coreos dockervm has only 1 nic, and that 'just works' so I'm interested in what the issue is | 16:31 |
| sdake | beyond the gate problem alot of ofolks want to quickly run kolla | 16:31 |
| jpeeler | right | 16:31 |
| sdake | and quikcly and neutron don't go hand in hand | 16:31 |
| rhallisey | indeed | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | i mean, if neutron is using infra, then they have to either have multiple interfaces or solved this issue | 16:31 |
| jpeeler | devstack works with just one nic. surely docker can | 16:31 |
| pdb | SamYaple: thats what I was thinking | 16:31 |
| sdake | devstack uses ovs jpeeler | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | jpeeler: right, but with linuxbridge? | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | ovs i can do in my sleep | 16:31 |
| pdb | and we cant use ovs because? | 16:32 |
| jpeeler | i missed why we must use linux bridge (not a networking guy) | 16:32 |
| sdake | that is all we got atm jpeeler | 16:32 |
| SamYaple | OVS container doesnt exist yet | 16:32 |
| harmw | we don't have ovs yet | 16:32 |
| sdake | but ideally we should have ovs and linuxbridge as options | 16:32 |
| SamYaple | Im going to submit on top of fang to get that finished | 16:32 |
| rhallisey | ya OVS is WIP | 16:32 |
| sdake | those are the two that peope lwant | 16:32 |
| jpeeler | so maybe we have a new pre-req? | 16:32 |
| inc0 | by the way...whats up with ovs? this one is kinda critical... | 16:32 |
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| SamYaple | inc0: i was waiting on fang, but i see no progress for a while. ill check with fang and patch ontop | 16:33 |
| pdb | its blocked waiting for docker 1.7 afaik | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | inc0, feng has been working on it, I believe he said it works | 16:33 |
| SamYaple | he is 90% done | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | or close to | 16:33 |
| SamYaple | pdb: it is not | 16:33 |
| pdb | oh, disregard then :) | 16:33 |
| harmw | docker 1.6 was neutron magic, 1.7 cinder magic | 16:33 |
| harmw | or something :) | 16:33 |
| sdake | we are not blocked on docker 1.7 for anything atm but cinder and we are good there with the dev versions | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | ya 1.7 is required for cinder :) | 16:33 |
| SamYaple | cinder/neutron namespace propogation | 16:33 |
| harmw | yep | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | ok we're getting a little off topic, let's move on | 16:34 |
| sdake | if ovs sovles this gating problem | 16:34 |
| sdake | I guess I would be good with it | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | carry over the discussion | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | #topic Liberty Priority Review | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | aye aye | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty Priority Review (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:34 | |
| sdake | would be nice to gate on linuxbridge tho ;) | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | sdake, agreed | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | first BP: Add a HA container for RabbitMQ | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: that souldnt be a seperate container | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | was someone working on this? | 16:35 |
| inc0 | mstachow will, correct Michal? | 16:35 |
| inc0 | after Galera | 16:35 |
| mstachow | That's correct | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | rabbitmq _is_ HA, it just needs configuration | 16:35 |
| harmw | mirroring, right? | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | just an fyi, we're going to go through these BP's quickly | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | you have to tell the other nodes how to join the cluster, thats it really | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | 30sec ea | 16:35 |
| mstachow | That means we will have updated rabbitmq container ;) | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, next you have two | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | Generate ini-type configuration files dynamically | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | Run with one Interface with Neutron | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | can you update the status of those? If anything has changed | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | generate ini waiting on the spec sdake wrote | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | jpeeler, Use tempest to gate our built infrastructure same to you | 16:37 |
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| SamYaple | it will tweak how its finally commited as | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | ok thanks | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | inc0, Turn galera into a container | 16:37 |
| sdake | rhallisey was that gating thing a milestone 1 blueprint? | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | I saw your review is up | 16:37 |
| mstachow | That's me - not inc0 | 16:38 |
| inc0 | its mstachow's , but yeah | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | oh woops | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ya | 16:38 |
| sdake | imo we should move that out | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ok | 16:38 |
| inc0 | (he is also Michal, be careful!) | 16:38 |
| sdake | too much blockage | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | mstachow, change you status as needed | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | lets see I have a few Cinder BPs | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | they just need reviews, which would be greatly welcomed | 16:39 |
| sdake | reminder: date is June 25th | 16:39 |
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| sdake | for deadline | 16:39 |
| harmw | rhallisey: again? guess I missed that | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | harmw, I haven't updated yet I'm on pto | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | next week | 16:39 |
| harmw | ok, cool | 16:39 |
| jpeeler | i need to write on up for ironic, will do that today | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | the final BP's look good they all have code reviews up | 16:40 |
| sdake | jpeeler write up what a blueprint? | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | so folks keep up on the code reviews as best as you can | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | there's lots to look at | 16:40 |
| jpeeler | sdake: yeah | 16:40 |
| sdake | jpeeler there is already a blueprint | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | jpeeler, I thought there was one | 16:40 |
| jpeeler | oh my bad | 16:40 |
| sdake | jpeeler if you want to take it over feel free :) | 16:40 |
| sdake | I'm not sure whos working on it | 16:41 |
| sdake | or if its being worked on | 16:41 |
| rhallisey | I don't think anyone has worked on it yet | 16:41 |
| inc0 | ironic will be required for contenerizing tripleo's undercloud, so I'd opt for bumping priority up | 16:41 |
| jpeeler | yeah i'll take it over if nobody is... | 16:41 |
| rhallisey | inc0, it would be yes | 16:41 |
| rhallisey | jpeeler, cool thanks | 16:41 |
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| sdake | so quick thing about these priorities | 16:41 |
| jpeeler | inc0: that's why :) | 16:41 |
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| sdake | there are a million containers we could produce | 16:42 |
| sdake | well not really, more like another 20 or so for various services | 16:42 |
| sdake | this would require packaging the big tent | 16:42 |
| sdake | I think we have a solid kset of serivces to start with | 16:42 |
| sdake | if there are some gaps for things like tripleo, lets get those done | 16:42 |
| sdake | but i'd like to see us focus more on the deploy side of things in the short term | 16:42 |
| sdake | rather then packaging the big tent | 16:43 |
| sdake | that is a job for RDO | 16:43 |
| sdake | or source base installs when we get to it | 16:43 |
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| harmw | +1 on deployment for starters | 16:43 |
| jpeeler | agreed | 16:43 |
| pdb | +1 | 16:43 |
| harmw | plus multihost | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | ok cool | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | on that note.. | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | #topic Ansible Deployment Tooling | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ansible Deployment Tooling (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:44 | |
| sdake | anyway something to thing about re why things are prioritized the wayt hey are and organized into various liberty-xyz | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189157/ | 16:44 |
| sdake | nice 30 comments! | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | this is the current spec for ansible | 16:45 |
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| inc0 | there is quite a discussion about external configs | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | enough so i believe it warrants existing as an option | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | thanks for the comments everyone... If we want to have any further discussion about the spec we can do that now | 16:45 |
| sdake | external configs and 56-57 seem to be the hot areas on the config | 16:45 |
| sdake | on teh spec | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | sdake, I think external config is a great feature | 16:46 |
| sdake | lines 56-57 | 16:46 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, thing is, I'm reluctant on having 2 methods of configs | 16:46 |
| sdake | for lines 56-57 should we just tell people to piss off :) | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | anyone want to voice their opinion? | 16:46 |
| SamYaple | inc0: were going to have 2 period | 16:46 |
| pdb | the thing to note here is that SamYaple has come up with a way that may satisfy both sides | 16:46 |
| SamYaple | crudini is one of them | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | the bind/env methods are very simliar, enough to count as one in my opinion | 16:47 |
| pdb | it essentially allows external configs while maintaining the idempotency requirement | 16:47 |
| sdake | pdb you mean immutability requirement | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | the lines of code bind ands would be 10-20, maybe | 16:47 |
| pdb | SamYaple: yes sorry | 16:47 |
| pdb | so my current vote is to support that + crudini | 16:48 |
| sdake | so re two sources of truth | 16:48 |
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| harmw | will we be pushing full cfg files with this? or just the bits that apply to a shipped config-dist? | 16:48 |
| sdake | samyaple your proposal doesn't solve that problem? | 16:48 |
| sdake | harmw that is covered inthe spec | 16:48 |
| harmw | ok | 16:48 |
| pdb | hmm it does not :( | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | one bonus of having 2 configs is when we get to deploying the many setups of neutron/cinder, it will be easier to generate those containers from a config file someone has already created | 16:49 |
| bmace | i think there is an option that we discussed, i don't know if it is in the spec yet.. but there would be a flag that controls if kolla pushes out configs at all.. after the initial set up the user can just manage all their configs however they want, puppet, chef... vi + rsync, whatever. | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | sdake: i dont know if it solves that since i dont fully understand "two sources of truth", but it is a very big deal to most people and _not_ a required method | 16:49 |
| bmace | i believe sdake is concerned about having multiple places "in charge" of the config data. | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | bmace, exactly | 16:49 |
| bmace | which is why it needs to be clearly either a) kolla control or b) user control. | 16:50 |
| sdake | samyaple reading your 7:09 proposal atm | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | i believe I can tie env/bind/users own config all together | 16:50 |
| inc0 | rhallisey, at some point we might want to have different configs on several nodes, so you'd need to use different containers with just one option that differs? | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | it dont believe it will add that much extra work, it certianly wont be dokcer start commands | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | extra* docker start commands | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | inc0, kolla as a tool can be used to build and run containers | 16:52 |
| pdb | out of interest, am I the only one who is not a fan of the env method regardless of the internal/external debate? | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | the 3 cases as I see them | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | 1 env variables as spec describes | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | 2 ansible lays out configs and the get bind mounted into the container, local changes persist to config until ansible runs again | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | 3 user managed configs | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | so we can allow users to build their own or we can build them and they can run them | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | pdb: no, im not a fan. but i understand the argument | 16:53 |
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| inc0 | my suggestion: just expose /etc/myproject from host to container and have config there | 16:53 |
| sdake | this breaks immutability! | 16:53 |
| inc0 | I don't see why kolla should even care about config management? this is muddy place | 16:53 |
| SamYaple | sdake: i dont think anyone cares at that level | 16:53 |
| SamYaple | but you can keep immutability with the env option | 16:54 |
| sdake | is the env option you mean the docker moduels you created? | 16:54 |
| bmace | sdake at least it doesn't allow for the modification of the config file while the container is actually running, so better than a straight up bind / direct-read. | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | yes sdake | 16:54 |
| sdake | bmace agreed | 16:54 |
| sdake | so as I red your 7:08 proposal have 3 models | 16:54 |
| sdake | 1 is crudini | 16:54 |
| sdake | 2 is bindmount with immutability brekage | 16:55 |
| sdake | 3 is docker env without immutabilitybreakage | 16:55 |
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| SamYaple | yes. all user managed configs can be lumped in with 2 | 16:55 |
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| sdake | 2 results in two sources of truth as well | 16:55 |
| pdb | there's a variation on 2) that gives mutability | 16:55 |
| pdb | *immutability | 16:55 |
| pdb | :/ | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | pdb: there really isnt | 16:56 |
| sdake | i want to hear variation of 2 that gives immutability | 16:56 |
| harmw | immutability is something we shouldn't throw away easily.. | 16:56 |
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| pdb | container copies configs into itself on start | 16:56 |
| inc0 | pdb, changes of configs will be small pit in hell | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | pdb: yea but thats the same as doign it the env way, since ansible starts it | 16:56 |
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| bmace | with 2, either kolla blows down new config files and wipes out any local changes, or they configure an option to control all configs themselves.. so there is only one master, that is the intent at least. | 16:56 |
| pdb | SamYaple: you can drop your own configs on there for it to grab though | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | why can't we do 1 and 3 ( as optional)? | 16:57 |
| inc0 | also, we'll want services to be able to reread configs without restarting, and all these makes this impossible | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: would be my vote | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | 1 is our primary and 3 as optional | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | inc0: thats not possible anyway | 16:57 |
| harmw | should we move in complete configs, we'll be tasked with keeping those up2date as well... we shouldn't be bottered with that | 16:57 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, actually it is | 16:57 |
| inc0 | using oslo.config | 16:57 |
| inc0 | but what is lacking is way to call it inside service, but that's not that hard | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | inc0: are you saying sevices reread thier configs on the fly right now? | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | hey guys keep in mind we have 2min left | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | table that inc0 | 16:58 |
| harmw | (was about to say just that) | 16:58 |
| sdake | oslo.config is web scale | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | all of the users and admins I have spoken with want option 2 to exist | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | it doesnt need to be default, but it needs to be there | 16:59 |
| sdake | ok i would relaly like to get to the bottom of the config strategy, so can we overflow for a bit into #kolla since our time is out :) | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, why do they care about option 2 if you can offer 3? | 16:59 |
| inc0 | I come from ops background and yeah, ops will want it, immutability or not | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: #kolla | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | option 2 makes me think of devstack | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | ok out of time | 17:00 |
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| rhallisey | we will move over to #kolla | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | thanks all! | 17:00 |
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| rhallisey | #endmeeting kolla | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 17:00:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-06-10-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-06-10-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-06-10-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tpatil | Is there is log working group meeting today? | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | I don't see Rocky... | 20:03 |
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| tpatil | ok | 20:03 |
| jokke_ | should we go on without her or give few more minutes? | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | I haven't received any agenda either so I'm not really up to speed what's going on | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | let's at least start a meeting to record that we were here, maybe we can use the time to figure out what we need to be doing | 20:05 |
| tpatil | I wanted to talk about the Request Id specs as mentioned in the agenda | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 20:05:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:05 |
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| dhellmann | #topic attendance | 20:05 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | who's here for the logging group meeting? | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:06 |
| tpatil | o/ | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic request-id spec | 20:06 |
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| dhellmann | tpatil: you're up! | 20:06 |
| tpatil | We have reached out on the openstack -dev mailing list to get consensus on any of 3 proposed solutions. | 20:06 |
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| tpatil | #1 Return tuple containing headers and body from : 3 +1’s | 20:06 |
| tpatil | #2 Use thread local storage to store 'x-openstack-request-id' returned from headers : 0 +1 | 20:06 |
| tpatil | #3 Unique request-id across OpenStack Services : 1 +1 | 20:07 |
| tpatil | Pros and cons of each of the above solutions is also discussed on the openstack-dev mailing list thread. | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: have you had any luck talking with the rally/osprofiler team about reusing the work they did? | 20:07 |
| tpatil | #link : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064842.html | 20:07 |
| tpatil | dhellmann: Not yet, We have to check how does that works. | 20:07 |
| tpatil | So far, Solution #1 is leading but still I don’t see any +1 on the specs | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: I think you're going to get much more traction with that | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | tpatil: no, I'm -2 on that approach because it breaks backwards compatibility with existing users of those clients and we can't do that | 20:08 |
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| tpatil | dhellman: You are correct | 20:09 |
| tpatil | dhellman:Based on your comment, we have come up with Solution #2. Please so far no have given +1 on the specs. | 20:09 |
| tpatil | We need some direction from the community. We are totally committed to implement this spec for Liberty. | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | ok, I have been waiting to see what the osprofiler discussion brings up, because we want to find a shared solution to this and they seem to already be doing it pretty well | 20:10 |
| tpatil | Another point is, If client api bindings are used in the third party applications, then there is no way for them to know the x-openstack-request-id so they might find it difficult to resolve the issue with the service provider. | 20:11 |
| tpatil | If x-openstack-request-id is made available as in Solution #1 and #2,then I think it could solve many such potential use cases. | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | we can fix that with documentation, though | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | yeah, changing the return type of all client API calls is really really not an option, so you need to look at the other solutions more closely | 20:12 |
| tpatil | dhellman: solution #2 is next closer solution then, but so far no response on that solution. | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: as I said, I am reserving judgement until I see the update discussion osprofiler. Please talk to boris-42 and the rest of the osprofiler team about it. | 20:13 |
| tpatil | dhellman: Sure , Thanks. I will understand about osprofiler till then. | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: ok, sounds good, thank you | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: you should also talk to the openstack sdk team about how best to expose request ids in the new python sdk | 20:15 |
| jokke_ | I'm wondering if I responded to that mail or not | 20:16 |
| tpatil | dhellman: Ok, I will do that. Thanks. | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | tpatil: excellent | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: ? | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic other pending action items | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | do we have anything else we need to be working on? | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | there is the message id spec to be updated, too, I wonder if we should find someone to help Rocky with those changes? | 20:19 |
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| jokke_ | I thin we should ... I unfortunately don't have the cycles to do it atm. due to internal commitments | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | think | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | I'm not the best advocate, since I'm not sure it's a good idea to begin with :-) | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 20:22 |
| jokke_ | Yeah ... these two are just the big things ops are crying from us ... and I totally understand why | 20:22 |
| jokke_ | has there been any continuation on that log formatting change we talked about in the summit? | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | is there anything we could act on? | 20:24 |
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| dhellmann | I've been bogged down with some other work, so haven't started that, yet. | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | there are a couple of parts of that | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | first, we need all projects to be using oslo.context as the base for their request context | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | that gives us a central place to make sure we have good values to be used in oslo.log default format strings | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | so if folks have time, and want to start with something, updating projects to use oslo.context would be a good first step | 20:25 |
| jokke_ | ok, it would be also nice to have the projects using oslo.log as well | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | yes, that's a good second step -- if a project is using neither, it may need to be updated to use both at the same time | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | ok, good to know ... I think there was some work done on Glance around that and I'll have a look where it's hanging | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | Swift is one good example IIRC they don't use oslo.log | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't expect them to adopt it | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | let's focus on the projects that are already using the incubated version of that code, first | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | aa ok | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | we have still those around as well? | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | I honestly haven't looked yet | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | no worries | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | as far as I know, we either have projects using incubated oslo logging code, oslo.log, or they are swift. | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | I don't think there are any other projects not using some form of that logging code | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | ok, do you know the reasoning behind swift being the special snowflake? | 20:29 |
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| dhellmann | history | 20:29 |
| notmyname | logging predates oslo.log, oslo logging has a lot of nova-isms (at least originally) and not enough other stuff (again, originally), and logs are as much an api as anything else | 20:29 |
| notmyname | or as dhellmann said, "history" ;-) | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not really interested in changing that situation right now -- we have a lot of other projects that we can work with to clean up their logs | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | swift's logs are good, they're just different | 20:30 |
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| jokke_ | fair enough | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: thanks :-) | 20:30 |
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| notmyname | for the record, I am interested in log compatibility | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | that's good to know | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | it would be good to collect a summary of how swift logging is different from oslo.log, and what features may be needed to reconcile the 2 | 20:31 |
| notmyname | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/logs.html | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | k, thanks | 20:32 |
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| notmyname | I too would be interested in that. if you have a summary at some point, i'd love to read it | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: you might find https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+spec/app-agnostic-logging-parameters interesting, although it does not yet try to directly address the swift case | 20:33 |
| notmyname | oh yes. the "instance" was one of my beefs with oslo.log | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we got that from nova, and we're working to get rid of it this cycle to be replaced with "resource" | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's move on | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 20:35 |
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| notmyname | I'm happy to take this up later. I won't jump in your meeting any longer ;-) | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | btw bit aside from the topic ... It's funny to follow this power battle between Swift and Nova from perspective where I haven't been involved that long that I would know all the history around | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have anything else to raise? | 20:35 |
| notmyname | but good to see progress :-) | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: no, thanks for dropping by, I appreciate the feedback and references | 20:35 |
| notmyname | jokke_: power battel? | 20:35 |
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| jokke_ | notmyname: oh yeah ... lots of folks expecting everyone else doing stuff in specific way because [swift|nova] does it that specific way | 20:36 |
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| jokke_ | it's quite funny in an annoying way | 20:37 |
| notmyname | jokke_: it's mostly independent organic growth and lack of communication (on all sides) that has gotten us to where we are today | 20:37 |
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| notmyname | but that being said, I'm not generally displeased with the state of most things where there are differences. there is room for improvement, of course | 20:38 |
| jokke_ | notmyname: yeah I kind of figured that out over past few months and it is easier to filter now. | 20:39 |
| notmyname | :-) | 20:39 |
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| jokke_ | notmyname: differencies are not bad in general (otherwise we could have just one project and recycle everything) ... they become a problem when people expects the history to drive the future (or the differencies are somewhere like in logs that makes the troubleshooting nightmare) | 20:40 |
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| jokke_ | which would be nice to get sorted ... I don't care what projects does per default but it would be nice to have easy way to uniform for those who do prefer it | 20:41 |
| notmyname | when people expect their view of history to drive someone else's future ;-) | 20:41 |
| notmyname | jokke_: yup. I agree with that | 20:41 |
| notmyname | mostly that's a question of prioritization | 20:42 |
| jokke_ | notmyname: I didn't want to get to that specifics ... next good step would be start picking names as examples ;) | 20:42 |
| notmyname | so to get eg logs to unify (ie the general topic of this meeting, AIUI), we need the ability in swift to configure the logged fields | 20:43 |
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| notmyname | and simply nobody has sat down and typed in that code | 20:43 |
| notmyname | but I'd definitely support someone who wanted to, and I'd be happy to review it | 20:44 |
| jokke_ | notmyname: so you wouldn't see a problem bringing oslo.log in swift it the default output would look like it is now (and the would be config option to turn it looking like rest of the OS service logs) and someone would actually do the work to get that done? | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | I hope to finish the projects I'm working on now in the next couple of weeks, and start working on some of this logging stuff then. | 20:45 |
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| jokke_ | notmyname: because if that's the case I probably could try at least to allocate the cycles for M to do that (for Liberty I have already too much on my plate) | 20:47 |
| notmyname | jokke_: I think a new dependency is a separate concern. suffice to say, maybe. but I'm not sure that would be necessary | 20:47 |
| notmyname | does oslo.log depend on oslo.config? | 20:47 |
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| dhellmann | notmyname: yes | 20:47 |
| notmyname | ah | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | that's how deployers configure the format string | 20:47 |
| notmyname | using oslo.config would be very painful for swift. unlikely to happen | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | even if it's just for the log settings? | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | notmyname: ah, didn't think of that, but perhaps we can work around it | 20:48 |
| notmyname | therefore log configuration would be done in a config format in swift's configs | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | yeah, as I said, we'll get further working with some of the other projects to start | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | sounds like a plan | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | My biggest wish atm is that on the next summit we would have some concrete out of this workgroup to secure the ops collaboration with us. If we don't get anything done why should they waste their (and we ours) time on this | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | yes, I think that's a valid concern | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | so far the 2 proposals being championed by this group don't have a lot of traction among developers | 20:52 |
| jokke_ | nope ... and I'm really sad about that because those have been the two biggest painpoints the actual deployers have brought to us | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | well, the request id thing just needs more work, but the message id proposal is going to cause a lot of developer pain the way it is now so I think that one needs to be very seriously rethought with that in mind | 20:54 |
| jokke_ | the third on same magnitude has been the log formatting | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | that's going to happen just as a matter of getting everyone to use the same log library, so I'm not as worried about that | 20:54 |
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| dhellmann | we're about out of time, is there anything else we should try to cover this week? | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | I think we're pretty set ... I'll try to reach Rocky before next meeting and sync up with her to see where she needs help | 20:57 |
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| dhellmann | sounds good | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | let's call it 2 minutes early, then | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 20:58:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-06-10-20.05.html | 20:58 |
| jokke_ | yeah, thanks | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-06-10-20.05.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-06-10-20.05.log.html | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | thanks, jokke_ | 20:58 |
| tpatil | Thanks,everyone | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | thanks, tpatil, I didn't realize you were still here :-) | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | nite all | 20:59 |
| tpatil | dhellman: I was on silence mode :) | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: I need to find the stealth mode switch in my irc client :-) | 20:59 |
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