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| raginbajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 14:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 14:00 |
| raginbajin | Notes from last meeting are found here: | 14:00 |
| raginbajin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-15-14.00.html | 14:00 |
| raginbajin | Hopefully more people will join as I sent out a message to the Operators Mailing list. I will do this again later tonight and hopefully next week too. | 14:01 |
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| raginbajin | Plan is to wait 15 minutes and if no one shows up, end the meeting. | 14:04 |
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| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 14:47:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-29-14.00.html | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-29-14.00.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-29-14.00.log.html | 14:47 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 17:04:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Hey folks - Who's about? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | lol - wrong room | 17:05 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting designate | 17:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 17:05:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-07-29-17.04.html | 17:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-07-29-17.04.txt | 17:05 |
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| jokke_ | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 20:01:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | Agenda for Wednesday 22th of July (20:00 UTC): | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | Attendance & courtecy calls | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | Action items update | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | empty fields in logs | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | incubator using projects | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | proposed talks for summit | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | Ongoing specs | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | latest updates from req ids | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | Ops midcycle planning | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | proposals for log_wg meeting time | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | Open discussion | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic attendance and courtecy calls | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "attendance and courtecy calls (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:01 | |
| jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder: jokke_, rockyg, dhellman, johnthetubaguy, nkrinner, bknudson | 20:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | hi there | 20:02 |
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| jokke_ | sorry for the flood at the start :( | 20:02 |
| Nikolay_St | hi | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | #topic ongoing specs - req id's | 20:02 |
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| * dhellmann is distracted with some release work | 20:03 | |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: understood and appreciated | 20:03 |
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| jokke_ | all, did you follow up yesterday's cross project meeting? | 20:03 |
| bknudson | at the meeting they said they finished their analysis | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | we got quick update from tpatil ... seems that the spec is pretty much on track finally | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | and the update was really quick | 20:04 |
| bknudson | and they thought there would be a problem with generators | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | I haven't seeb update on that spec yet, but hopefully it's something everyone can agee on finally | 20:04 |
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| bknudson | y, hopefully the spec will be updated with this new design | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | I'm not letting it land to glanceclient before it is :D | 20:07 |
| bknudson | I don't know if they plan to do all the work themselves | 20:07 |
| jokke_ | this has been such a long fight to get it figured out that, not gonna give up now | 20:07 |
| bknudson | maybe there will be something in oslo first. | 20:07 |
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| bknudson | there was an apiclient package for a long time but that petered out | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: I proposed a work-around for the generator issue on the mailing list | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | I haven't heard from Abhishek for a while so I'm not sure what's their current plan exactly | 20:08 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/openstack/common/apiclient -- it's still in oslo-incubator | 20:08 |
| bknudson | it's mostly deprecated... | 20:09 |
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| bknudson | and it's still hanging out in keystoneclient -- http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-keystoneclient/tree/keystoneclient/openstack/common/apiclient | 20:11 |
| bknudson | I think we need a 2.0 release to actually delete it | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | :) | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | we're such hoarders ... can't throw anything away :) | 20:12 |
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| jokke_ | rockyg: you found time after all? :) | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | ok moving on | 20:14 |
| jokke_ | #topic ops midcycle planning | 20:14 |
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| jokke_ | rockyg: anything from your side, dhellmann had pretty much plan to let the ops lead | 20:15 |
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| rockyg | in defcore meeting, but yeah. I'm kinda here. | 20:16 |
| rockyg | What I proposed to tom for Ops midcycle is a session or two of bug triaging with a focus of getting top log bugs identified and top five bugs for each project logging or not | 20:17 |
| rockyg | also possible to get a working group on fleshing out the sections of the error code spec that have comments on it | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | oh, sorry | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | cool, that sounds like good start | 20:18 |
| rockyg | Nah. It's ok. Just a bunch of folks debating what deserves getting a trademark | 20:19 |
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| bknudson | only the best loggers get a trademark | 20:19 |
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| rockyg | Yeah. I think I talked about something else with him, but I forget. | 20:19 |
| rockyg | bknudson: ++ lol | 20:19 |
| jokke_ | :) | 20:20 |
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| rockyg | might try a working session for other log wants, but we'll see. | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | I'd really like to see few of them joining us | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | those people seems to have lots of opinions and it would be great to get few of then joining us on these weekly talks | 20:21 |
| rockyg | talked about a bugs triage weekly and sending email to ops mailing list with minutes/agenda/etc | 20:21 |
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| jokke_ | sounds heavy | 20:23 |
| rockyg | nah. Mostly status on hot bugs and any new ones that should get priorities rased. | 20:23 |
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| rockyg | anybody else gonna be at the ops midcycle? | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | I can't | 20:25 |
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| jokke_ | maybe on the next one | 20:25 |
| rockyg | Yeah. So I'll rep us and do more recruiting. | 20:25 |
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| jokke_ | you need anything from us before that? | 20:27 |
| rockyg | anything else on the ops meeting? | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | anything we could help with? | 20:27 |
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| rockyg | take a look at the etherpad for planning and comment, maybe? | 20:28 |
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| rockyg | Any reviews I should highlight there? | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | ok, mind to share the link to the notes? | 20:28 |
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| rockyg | gimme a sec.... | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | I think that's https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | problem with etherpads, they are really difficult to find with google | 20:29 |
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| dhellmann | jokke_: yeah, that's on purpose to keep out spam bots | 20:30 |
| rockyg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup yup. what Doug said. | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | #info please comment on the ops etherpad if anything specific in mnd | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | moving on | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | #topic proposals for log_wg meeting time | 20:31 |
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| rockyg | Tom has all the etherpad since the first midcycle on a wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | we had that discussion earlier on, not a single response on the mailing list, so I assume we stick with this time | 20:31 |
| bknudson | this time works for me | 20:32 |
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| rockyg | I think we should make it earier, if possible. But, I can poll the ops meeting. and, we'll go an hour earlier when DST ends. | 20:32 |
| jokke_ | well give a poll, but as said no replies to the e-mail I sent to the dev list | 20:33 |
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| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 20:34 |
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| jokke_ | Anything else on your hearts? | 20:34 |
| Nikolay_St | well | 20:35 |
| Nikolay_St | I'd like to introduce a logging spec adoption for murano: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205200/ | 20:35 |
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| jokke_ | <3 | 20:37 |
| Nikolay_St | and that's all from my side, since we just migrate to oslo_log) | 20:38 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, Nikolay_St, I'll add that to my review queue | 20:39 |
| rockyg | kewl. I think I need more time to review, but this week? Might want a reference to syslog RFC and Python log guidelines. | 20:39 |
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| dims | fyi - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205779/ (Define TRACE logging level) in oslo.log | 20:39 |
| rockyg | So, can we discuss again next week. | 20:39 |
| Nikolay_St | dhellmann: thx) | 20:39 |
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| jokke_ | dims: \o | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | dims: ++ | 20:40 |
| rockyg | thanks, dims | 20:40 |
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| bknudson | dims: looks like it needs someone to wake up jenkins | 20:42 |
| bknudson | maybe another +W | 20:42 |
| dims | bknudson: y | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | dims: we should add that to the guidelines in the cross-project specs repo | 20:42 |
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| dims | dhellmann: once we get a release out and g-r updated? | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | dims: yep | 20:43 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: there's a bit of a backlog in the queue, but that job is being processed | 20:43 |
| dims | will do dhellmann | 20:43 |
| bknudson | what enables trace? | 20:43 |
| bknudson | trace level... e.g., verbose=True enables debug | 20:44 |
| bknudson | do I need logging.conf level=5 ? | 20:44 |
| bknudson | maybe change verbose= to allow verbose=trace ? | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | there's actually a proposal to drop verbose entirely and make info the default, I think | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206437/ | 20:45 |
| bknudson | that would be fine | 20:45 |
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| bknudson | oh, verbose is INFO | 20:46 |
| bknudson | it's debug=True | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 20:46 |
| bknudson | so could be debug=trace | 20:46 |
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| dhellmann | I think the idea is you wouldn't want to trace *everything* so you would use --default-log-levels to control the modules where you do want tracing | 20:47 |
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| dhellmann | maybe just oslo.messaging, for example | 20:47 |
| bknudson | that makes more sense | 20:48 |
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| jokke_ | anything else? | 20:50 |
| bknudson | what happens if I have both debug and verbose? | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | it's debugging | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: debug wins | 20:50 |
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| rockyg | as long as you put it globally. | 20:50 |
| rockyg | I think you can still do project level configs, though. On some projects, at least | 20:50 |
| bknudson | keystone also uses debug=True to indicate to work in insecure manner. | 20:51 |
| bknudson | should change that. | 20:51 |
| rockyg | bknudson: uh, yeah. | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | :) | 20:51 |
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| bknudson | I can work on that. should be ez | 20:52 |
| jokke_ | and then as with any other OpenStack project, deployers runs it all the time on debug :D | 20:52 |
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| rockyg | so another argument for error codes +requestid is that with both of those, debug could most likely be turned off ;-) | 20:53 |
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| jokke_ | most of the time yes | 20:55 |
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| jokke_ | ok last minutes ... use them wise | 20:57 |
| rockyg | Now I have a good justification for error codes! Finally. Something that is verbalizable. | 20:58 |
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| jokke_ | ahaa-moment? | 20:58 |
| rockyg | yup. | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | ok, thanks again everyone | 21:00 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 21:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 21:00:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-29-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-29-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| Nikolay_St | bye all | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-29-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
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