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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance Drivers | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 14:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita, mclaren, dhellmann, jokke_ | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | who's around? | 14:01 |
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| * flaper87 gives some time for ppl to show up | 14:02 | |
| sigmavirus24 | I am | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: w000h00 | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | lets see if we have quorum, otherwise we'll move things to next week | 14:03 |
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| flaper87 | one more minute and I'll end the meeting for lack of participation | 14:03 |
| * sigmavirus24 nods | 14:04 | |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil: rosmaita | 14:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | Is stuart a driver? | 14:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Did that ever happen?) | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I did a courtesy ping | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita, mclaren, dhellmann, jokke_ | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: it happened | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't see Stuart around | 14:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: I believe it :D | 14:04 |
| nikhil | o/ | 14:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | 3 | 14:04 |
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| flaper87 | We've enough people to do it | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | so, lets get this going | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:05 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | As usual, our agenda is there! | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | :D | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | #topic Remove Glance downgrades: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232364/2 (flaper87) | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove Glance downgrades: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232364/2 (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:06 | |
| flaper87 | nikhil: glad you're here since that one requires your attention | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | I commented on it but it could use a review from you | 14:06 |
| nikhil | oh, I think I commented and forgot to come back ? | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: probably, yup :) | 14:06 |
| nikhil | oh, right I commeneted on the BP and no the spec | 14:07 |
| nikhil | ack | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | (sorry, was sitting in #glance by mistake) | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: lol :D | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | welcome | 14:07 |
| nikhil | any tl'dr', attn, speecifics? | 14:07 |
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| flaper87 | no other than it seems straightforward to me | 14:07 |
| nikhil | gotcha | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | but I remember you having concerns about it so your vote is important | 14:08 |
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| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:08 |
| nikhil | Thanks flaper87 | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | #topic Glance spec freeze period (flaper87) | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance spec freeze period (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:08 | |
| flaper87 | I think we should have a spec freeze. One thing that I definitely think should not happen again is to get to the second milestone with specs still waiting to be discussed. Therefore, I think we could have a freeze at mid M-2 (that's between M-1 release and M-2 release) on week from November 28th and December 1st. | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | We can have a short Spec Freeze Exception (SFE) that closes at the end of the week from the freeze 4-8. | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | This should give enough time for late specs to be implemented before the feature freeze and it'll allow the rest of the team to focus on reviewing code. | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | thoughts? | 14:08 |
| nikhil | DOes this mean that specs are allowed after the freeze ? | 14:09 |
| nikhil | it | 14:09 |
| nikhil | it's a soft-freeze? | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | Specs coming after the freeze should target the next release | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | I mean, we could go soft with it | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | As in, evaluate every case | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | what about non-approved specs under discussion before the freeze? | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | but no big features | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ideally, we shouldn't get there | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | true | 14:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: I kind of like this | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | i think it's a good idea | 14:10 |
| nikhil | hmm, so feeze at mid M2 means basically specs have about 8weeks after the summit? | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | besides, if it doesn't work, we can always change | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, nova's freeze is even before the first milestone | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | but let's start with announcing a hard deadline and see what happens | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | I think that's enough time, tbh. | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | we can be more flexible because we don't have that many specs | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | but mid M-2 is quite late to have new specs proposed or even other specs approved | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | ideally, when M-2 is out, we should have patches up for most of them | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | not saying merged but at least under review | 14:12 |
| nikhil | I don;t mind though if we have possibility of some of the more complicated specs then I think we may need more time | 14:12 |
| nikhil | like the upload retry one | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | #vote Mitaka spec freeze on November 28th and December 1st yes,no,abstain | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | #help vote | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | stupid bot | 14:13 |
| nikhil | SO, best to raise this at the summit and let people know that since API work is #1 priority it's less likely that their spec/patches are possible | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | At least for mitaka, right? | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | #startvote Mitaka spec freeze on November 28th and December 1st yes,no,abstain | 14:13 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | #startvote Mitaka spec freeze on November 28th and December 1st | 14:13 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: I think you need spaces between options | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | And maybe a ? | 14:13 |
| nikhil | #startvote Mitaka spec freeze on November 28th and December 1st yes,no,abstain | 14:13 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | we're getting closer! | 14:14 |
| nikhil | ha | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | I tried w/ commas and it didn't work | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | '#startvote Should we have a mitaka spec freeze on November 28th and December 1st? Yes, no, abstain' | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | #startvote Mitaka spec freeze on November 28th and December 1st? yes,no,abstain | 14:14 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Mitaka spec freeze on November 28th and December 1st? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 14:14 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | way to go sigmavirus24 ! | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | ah, the `?` is the key | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | #vote Yes | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | #vote yes | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | #vote yes | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: yeah, thank debian =P | 14:14 |
| nikhil | I am fine by either. | 14:15 |
| nikhil | So you can take it they way it works and it's majority already! | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: you can abstain :D | 14:15 |
| nikhil | oh, so the abstain is me abstaining :P ok! | 14:15 |
| nikhil | #vote abstain | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | I'll announce it in the mailing list anyway | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | #endvote | 14:16 |
| openstack | Voted on "Mitaka spec freeze on November 28th and December 1st?" Results are | 14:16 |
| openstack | yes (3): sigmavirus24, rosmaita, flaper87 | 14:16 |
| openstack | abstain (1): nikhil | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | #topic Spec lite (or no spec) (continued) http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-10-06-14.01.log.html (flaper87) | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec lite (or no spec) (continued) http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-10-06-14.01.log.html (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:16 | |
| flaper87 | Last week we discussed a bit this process and I proposed doing something similar to what Nova and Keystone are doing. That is, have an approval process for small features where no spec is required. This would require a launchpad blueprint to be filed and the drivers team to review it. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | After looking a bit more into this, I still think it's a good idea but Nikhil raised a good concern about the discoverability of launchpad blueprints that I think is important as well. Therefore, I would like to propose using whishlist bugs for this. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | The assumption is that if a "small feature" requires a blueprint and therefore it requires a priority, impact, more formal approval, then it might as well have a spec. Bugs are easy to track, point to, comment on and the description can be clear and concise, which is all we need. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | These bugs can be targeted, tracked, linked on reviews and they can also be marked as `Invalid` if we don't think that request is a good fit for Glance. One other reasoning behind this is that most folks are already familiar with bugs *and* the cases we've had so far have been features that were filed as bugs but then ended up being a feature request. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | TL;DR: Lets use whishlist bugs, discuss them as specs and agree if whishlist is enough or if a full spec is needed. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | thoughts? | 14:16 |
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| rosmaita | i like it | 14:17 |
| nikhil | That sounds good to me. Pretty straightforward process and easy to deal with. | 14:17 |
| nikhil | THough, how do we prevent other wishlist bugs from getting marked as spec-lite? | 14:17 |
| nikhil | triage prolly? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | yeah, we'll have to do some serious triage! I'm planning to do that next week or after the summit | 14:18 |
| nikhil | What I was implying is -- should we have a official tag called "mitaka-lite-specs" for filtering? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | ah, sorry! missed it | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | I think we could use the tag, yes. Although, I don't think we need the release name there | 14:19 |
| nikhil | sounds good. | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | If it needs to be targeted to a release, then it probably should have a spec | 14:19 |
| nikhil | I suggested release name for the sake of indexing . | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | Also, bringing those to meetings (glance/drivers) is totally fine | 14:19 |
| nikhil | cool! | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | but then we'll have to re-tag all of them when new releases start, I'd guess | 14:20 |
| nikhil | it should also help with bug triage as a side-effect! | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | for the sake of formality, lets vote | 14:20 |
| nikhil | heh | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | #startvote Use whishlist bugs as a way to propose lite-specs? Yes, No, Abstain | 14:20 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Use whishlist bugs as a way to propose lite-specs? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 14:20 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | #vote Yes | 14:20 |
| nikhil | #vote yes | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: ^ | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ^ | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | #vote no | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | :( | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | sorry, saw something shiny | 14:21 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Well | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't know. I think my vote is maybe | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: elaborate, please | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: please, elaborate | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | So, I think we'll need to communicate outwards that wishlist in glance is to only be set by drivers | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | As in, we'll want to be sure we "approve" something as a wishlist/lite-spec that way | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | And we currently have bugs that are marked as wishlist bugs | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | And we'll be overloading the term from general openstack | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I feel like we're going to confuse people and that it might not be a great idea but it *might* work | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: yup, that's the "serious triage session" I mentioned above | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I was a bit distracted looking into a possible glance bug for a teammate | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I'm on the fence | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | #vote abstain | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | imho, there's only one way to know if it'll work. | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | Try it | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | I know | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | I got some feedback from Keystone | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | and it seems that they have a mix of LP blueprints and whishlist | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | I'd rather just have 1 | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i like nikhil's idea of a special tag to separate the regular wishlist from the spec-lite wishlist | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: yes! | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | The rest of the whishlist bugs we have need to be triaged as well | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | if they require spec then lets mark them as invalid, if they don't then lets triage them | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | i think it's worth a try | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | Leaving the current status aside, lets think about how this could work | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy to clean up whatever mess there may be | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: you haven't voted | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | oops | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | #vote yes | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | coolio, I'll announce this on the mailing list as well | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | i am very agreeable today | 14:26 |
| nikhil | sigmavirus24: so, do you prefer to use just BP instead? | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | #endvote | 14:26 |
| openstack | Voted on "Use whishlist bugs as a way to propose lite-specs?" Results are | 14:26 |
| openstack | Yes (3): nikhil, rosmaita, flaper87 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Abstain (1): sigmavirus24 | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil: I think that might be less of an overloading | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | but I don't have very strong feelings on it | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | Mostly because I doubt I'll get any more time in Mitaka to work on Glance than I did in Liberty | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to move on real quick onto the next topic and I'll get back to this one | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: fine by me | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | #topic Image import reloaded https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/ (flaper87) (time permitting) | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | rosmaita: there seems to be quite some discussion going! | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | that's awesome | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | I wanted to know what's your plan for the next 2 weeks on it | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | do you plan to have an update on the spec before the summit? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | yes | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | or just keep the current, commented, version | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | ? | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | aewsome! | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i think we should come close to settling the issue of /tasks or /images | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | or at least have a good understanding of the pros/cons | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | agreed | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | so my plan is to give a few more days, then upload a revision | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | if there's something i disagree with, i will include it as a "note" in RST | 14:28 |
| nikhil | how about re-upload on mon, wed (only)? | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | What do you think about discussing this on the mailing list? The /tasks vs /images part, I mean | 14:28 |
| nikhil | re-upload == new PS | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | so it will still be there | 14:29 |
| nikhil | I am saying as some comments can get lost :) | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | do you think discussing the endpoints on the spec would be enough? | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | I'm fine either way, tbh. | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | no, it probably needs a ML discussion | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | I'd probably prefer to keep the discussion on the spec now | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | but I know it'll take time | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | what i would like to do is revise and see what people thing | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | and a good email thread might help | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | *think | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | sounds perfect! | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | let's talk more on Thurs at the glance meeting | 14:30 |
| nikhil | ++ | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | It'd be great to get that thread started before the end of this week, if you have time | 14:30 |
| nikhil | small and concise ML "threads" | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i will try | 14:30 |
| nikhil | if it works | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: mind adding it to the glance meeting agenda? | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: if there's anything we can help with, please, do let us know | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | even if it's just sending an email out | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | I know you and Stuart got the spec covered | 14:31 |
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| rosmaita | ok, will do | 14:31 |
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| flaper87 | sweet | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | thanks for all your effort there! | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | we ran out of time! | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | np, i really want to see this work out | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | thank you all | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 14:32 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-10-13-14.01.html | 14:32 |
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| _ody | o/ | 15:00 |
| clayton | o/ | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic Review past action items | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | sbadia and jasondotstar signed up to help with kilo release (done, we're synced) | 15:01 |
| spredzy | o/ | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | continue globals topic on mailing list | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: ^ did you continue the discussion ? | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:01 |
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| yottatsa | hi | 15:01 |
| mwhahaha | no i don't think so | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: do you think we need to postpone it? | 15:02 |
| iberezovskiy | looks like topic has stalled | 15:02 |
| mwhahaha | i think there was an updated review, but i haven't had time to look at it. | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | same here | 15:03 |
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| richm | hello | 15:03 |
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| mwhahaha | let's review it next week | 15:03 |
| mwhahaha | i'll spend some time today to look at it | 15:03 |
| vinsh | o/ | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | #action continue "global topic" on ML | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | reviewers review 226862 and 229548 (not done by core reviewers, needs to be postpone) | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | #action reviewers review 226862 and 229548 | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | aglarendil to bring up openstackclient vs aviator on mailing list (done) | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | #link osclient vs aviator new thread http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/66423 | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | let's start the agenda | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | #topic puppet-keystone non backward compatible change | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "puppet-keystone non backward compatible change (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:04 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226624/ | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | mfisch, richm: hey | 15:04 |
| mfisch | hey | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | today I would like to find a consensus | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | we really need to go ahead about that patch, because it's blocking many others, that block our future 7.0.0 release | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | afik, until now, only mfisch disagreed on this change | 15:05 |
| mfisch | I'm willing to go change our code to support the domain stuff | 15:06 |
| mfisch | but I'm annoyed that this was done by fiat | 15:06 |
| mfisch | I guess we can close the topic since I'm the only one who objected | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: we are aware this is annoying though | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | richm: what would be the alternative? | 15:07 |
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| richm | leaving in the existing code, which no one wants to maintain | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | also, I would like to note that we're breaking backward compatibility only when a domain is not specified and the resources is unique among all domains | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | richm: fair enough | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | I'll let our team to vote in Gerrit for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226624/ | 15:08 |
| richm | right - we are breaking backward compatibility only in a special case | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | mfisch, richm: anything else we need to discuss about that? | 15:09 |
| mfisch | I dont think so | 15:09 |
| richm | nack | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | great | 15:09 |
| mfisch | as soon as we merge up to master I'll add domains to everything | 15:09 |
| mfisch | can't stop V3 forever I guess | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | #topic Tokyo topics grooming | 15:09 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/HND-puppet | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | I created a "tag" for each topic, so we can try to organize the sessions by tags | 15:10 |
| * _ody totally just added another because he got annoyed trying to review changes again last night | 15:10 | |
| EmilienM | for eath topic, there is an abstract, a leader and votes | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | note: the "votes" is here to get statistics about topics attraction | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | we have a few slots, we need to be effective I guess | 15:11 |
| clayton | maybe we should have a time goal for some of these? For example, the one I proposed I can't see taking very long. I suspect some of the others would be much longer | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | #action the group to look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/HND-puppet and vote for topics | 15:12 |
| mfisch | You'll need to use some judgement too | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | clayton: good idea | 15:13 |
| mfisch | more cores/faster reviews should be a major topic | 15:13 |
| mfisch | my healthcheck one is also 15 min | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: yes, it's a community thing | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: so we need to estimate timing for each topic | 15:13 |
| clayton | I think estimates and time limits are different things | 15:14 |
| mfisch | time limit is to prevent people from arguing about it for 3 hours | 15:14 |
| clayton | I'd estimate 5 minutes for mine, but to guarantee to move on after 15 | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | right, but before time limiting, we need to know the estimates, isn't? | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | ok, so maybe we can ask people to set both | 15:14 |
| clayton | I put both on mine, others can do the same if they like | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | #action tokyo topics leaders to add "estimate" and "limit" timing | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | clayton: awesome | 15:15 |
| clayton | the concept I want to discuss is pretty simple, I suspect people will either think it's a good idea, or want to move on | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | ok, so I'll let a few more days to let our team work on the etherpad | 15:15 |
| spredzy | We can probably reserve one of the slot for a bucket of topics to talk | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | and I think by the next week we can come up with an agenda | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: ? | 15:16 |
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| EmilienM | spredzy: a bucket of topics that are not in etherpad? | 15:16 |
| spredzy | what I mean is I see 5 slot of 40min | 15:16 |
| spredzy | let's keep one of those slot where we could prob. address several of the topics listed | 15:17 |
| mfisch | lots of those topics can be 2 per slot | 15:17 |
| mfisch | or 3 | 15:17 |
| spredzy | not a 1:1 mapping | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: of course not | 15:17 |
| mfisch | my topic and clayton's can share a slot for sure | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: a slot will contain different topics, that's why we're talking about timing here | 15:17 |
| spredzy | EmilienM, ack. Sounds good to me. | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | anything else about summit? (please have a look this week) | 15:18 |
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| EmilienM | great, let's continue the work on etherpad and we will define our agenda next week or so | 15:18 |
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| EmilienM | #topic puppet-murano: murano module in liberty | 15:19 |
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| EmilienM | aderyugin: yo | 15:19 |
| aderyugin | Hi! There was a thread in ML that murano module may not be released in liberty. So i'd like to know, what should be done to have a murano module in liberty. | 15:19 |
| * mfisch perks up too | 15:19 | |
| aderyugin | I've added some acceptance tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233591/, but I don't know how to enable acceptance job for murano module. | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | is it beaker-tested? | 15:19 |
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| mfisch | not yet I dont think | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | aderyugin: you need to patch openstack-infra/project-config | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | aderyugin: from where do you install packages? | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | to install murano? | 15:20 |
| mfisch | I poked Canonical and they're in UCA now | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | wow | 15:20 |
| mfisch | as of Monday | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | is it in RDO? | 15:20 |
| mfisch | I think so | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | no: http://trunk.rdoproject.org/f21/current/ | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | I'll poke RDO folks | 15:21 |
| angdraug | https://trello.com/c/we5K0deF/60-add-murano-and-ec2-api-in-rdo | 15:21 |
| angdraug | marked as blocked, asking for volunteers | 15:21 |
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| EmilienM | oh nice | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: not a blocker for us | 15:21 |
| mfisch | I think aderyugin needs help with acceptance based on what he said above | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | if we test at least on UCA, that's okay | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: he needs to patch infra | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | aderyugin: I can help with that | 15:22 |
| angdraug | thanks! | 15:22 |
| aderyugin | EmilienM: it will be great | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM & aderyugin patch infra to enable beaker jobs on murano module | 15:22 |
| degorenko | i think we can also find volunteers for package building | 15:22 |
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| EmilienM | anything else about murano? | 15:23 |
| mfisch | I started playing with Murano last night and also have a few comments if we have time | 15:23 |
| mfisch | mainly, the parameter names don't match what we use in other modules | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | we do have time | 15:23 |
| mfisch | especially all the rabbit stuff | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | that's a big deal | 15:23 |
| mfisch | since nobody is really using this module yet I'd like to get it fixed | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 15:23 |
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| mfisch | but maybe fuel is using it? | 15:23 |
| mwhahaha | yes we use it | 15:24 |
| mfisch | for example: "rabbit_os_user", "rabbit_own_host" etc | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | that's not compliant | 15:24 |
| mfisch | mwhahaha: how much of an issue is it to change these to match everything else? | 15:24 |
| _ody | parameters need to match. | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | aderyugin: can you make sure the module is using the right param names? | 15:24 |
| mwhahaha | it operates differently | 15:24 |
| mwhahaha | supporting two rabbitmq instances | 15:25 |
| mfisch | yeah that | 15:25 |
| mwhahaha | one for openstack and one for murano | 15:25 |
| aglarendil | yep, we need to make it compliant | 15:25 |
| mfisch | lets just look and see what can be improved and made compliant | 15:25 |
| mfisch | there are some special things in here for sure | 15:25 |
| mwhahaha | we can fix variable names, that's not too bad but we need to figure out how to fix it correctly | 15:25 |
| aderyugin | EmilienM: parameters names can be changed, and it will not cause dificulties | 15:25 |
| mfisch | thanks aderyugin I also sent you a few small patches yesterday | 15:25 |
| angdraug | agreed, as long as we keep the ability to have a dedicated rabbitmq instance for murano | 15:26 |
| mfisch | I will be using it over the next few weeks when I have time and may have some more fixes | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | #action aderyugin to make sure puppet-murano has compliant parameters | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: thanks for having looked at it | 15:26 |
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| EmilienM | anything else about murano? last call | 15:27 |
| mfisch | im done | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | #topic nova_admin_* options deprecation in Neutron | 15:27 |
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| EmilienM | skolekonov: hola | 15:27 |
| skolekonov | So currently we have nova_admin_* options in neutron.conf. They are deprecated since Kilo, so I propose to replace them. | 15:27 |
| skolekonov | The only problem is that we will have to use Keystone auth plugins, which differ from each other. So I propose not to just replace deprecated options | 15:27 |
| skolekonov | but let a user pass a hash with all parameters and use a provider to set them in a configuration file. | 15:27 |
| skolekonov | What do you think? | 15:27 |
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| EmilienM | hum, we don't do that anywhere else | 15:28 |
| skolekonov | It will probably let us to avoid adding a bunch of new parameters which will not cover all possible auth plugins. | 15:28 |
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| skolekonov | Something a bit similar was in Heat https://github.com/openstack/puppet-heat/blob/0e850373a8196b06e4387abb5f2fe81727dce1fb/lib/puppet/provider/heat_domain_id_setter/ruby.rb#L183 | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | skolekonov: where go the parameters now? in a keystone authtoken section or? | 15:28 |
| skolekonov | They are in DEFAULT if I'm not mistaken | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | https://github.com/openstack/puppet-neutron/blob/master/lib/puppet/provider/nova_admin_tenant_id_setter/ini_setting.rb#L191 | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | why not just updating the section, | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | does the parameter name also change? | 15:30 |
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| skolekonov | Yes, they've changed and also we can't cover all possible combinations of them | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | skolekonov: do you have some doc about it? | 15:31 |
| skolekonov | We can just switch to the 'password' plugin, but it's not universal I guess | 15:31 |
| skolekonov | For example here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-keystoneclient/authentication-plugins.html | 15:31 |
| skolekonov | It's possible to create a custom plugin | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | oh I see, ok | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | the password looks fine, isn't? | 15:33 |
| skolekonov | Yep. Should we support others? | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | richm: do you have thoughts? | 15:33 |
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| EmilienM | skolekonov: I think one should be fine | 15:34 |
| skolekonov | EmilienM, ok, than we can just switch to it | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | skolekonov: yes but I don't like the hash thing, it's a bit overkill, isn't? | 15:35 |
| aglarendil | skolekonov: EmilienM: why should we disregard token authentication here ? | 15:35 |
| EmilienM | it would be great to keep our interface backward compatible | 15:35 |
| richm | looking | 15:35 |
| EmilienM | if possible, keep the same parameters, and puppet-neutron would deal itself to configure the right section | 15:35 |
| skolekonov | aglarendil, we don't support it now, do we? | 15:35 |
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| aglarendil | skolekonov: but if we want to remove those deprecated options - it is better to support both password and token types, I think | 15:36 |
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| aglarendil | some people will still have only v2 keystone functioning for a while | 15:36 |
| aglarendil | and password seems to work only v3 according to this link | 15:36 |
| skolekonov | aglarendil, no, it should work | 15:36 |
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| skolekonov | and of course we will keep compatibility | 15:37 |
| richm | can nova use keystone_authtoken section, and keystone authtokenmiddleware? | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | richm: we're talking about neutron-server | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | (neutron.conf) | 15:37 |
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| richm | EmilienM: ok, sorry | 15:37 |
| richm | same question applies | 15:37 |
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| richm | s/nova/neutron/ | 15:38 |
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| richm | and yes, v2 password auth is still supported for at least another release, afaik, but the keystone guys can confirm that | 15:38 |
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| lazy_prince | jroll: regarding the ci for network-provider, you wanted to check the possibility of testing network flip using two networks... Would that not be a problem when the VM is connected to the bridge and two networks will be serving ip address to the vm..? | 15:39 |
| skolekonov | This is how it works now (this section is only for interacting between neutron and nova). Other auth way will require some changes in Neutron, I guess | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | lazy_prince: wrong chan I guess :) | 15:39 |
| aglarendil | skolekonov: richm I think we will need to implement some better way than password auth. This is like an important part of inter-service communication in OpenStack | 15:39 |
| lazy_prince | just realized.. | 15:39 |
| skolekonov | aglarendil, we can support v2/v3 auth and token without using things like hashes with parameters | 15:40 |
| skolekonov | not too many new parameters I think | 15:40 |
| richm | aglarendil: skolekonov: How is this different than the problem which [keystone_authtoken] and keystonemiddleware solves? | 15:41 |
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| EmilienM | skolekonov: you can come up with a proposal (code or blueprint) (if code, don't write tests) so we can see which solution would be better | 15:41 |
| skolekonov | EmilienM, yes, I'm going to propose a patch | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | richm: I think that's 2 different things | 15:41 |
| skolekonov | Just wanted to clarify the first steps | 15:42 |
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| EmilienM | richm: keystone_authtoken is used by neutron to identify against keystone and manage network resources, while we need an auth to connect with nova | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | but I'm prob wrong | 15:42 |
| richm | keystone_authtoken is used to authenticate to Keystone and get a token to use with other OpenStack services | 15:42 |
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| richm | afaik | 15:43 |
| richm | but again, we can get someone from Keystone to answer questions | 15:43 |
| richm | that is, nova doesn't have a username/password database of its own that it uses to authenticate uses separately from Keystone | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | skolekonov: can you run the discussion on the ML | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | with [keystone] [puppet] [neutron] tags | 15:44 |
| skolekonov | EmilienM, I will | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | thank you | 15:44 |
| skolekonov | np | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | #action skolekonov to continue nova_admin_* options deprecation topic on ML | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage | 15:44 |
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| EmilienM | I would like to talk about the ruby library | 15:44 |
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| EmilienM | while I see a lot of advantages of using a ruby library, I'm still concerned by who is going to make it | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | as a long term solution, I would like to see first a real ruby library that would be usable by anyone (not only us) | 15:46 |
| aglarendil | EmilienM: we have a set of guys working at Mirantis here who are intersted in it | 15:46 |
| degorenko | i've already prepared patches for nova with new auth based on Openstacklib and client, i can also help with this activity | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | so if someone wants to work on a ruby SDK for openstack go ahead, but it will have to be in OpenStack, documented, tested, etc | 15:46 |
| richm | can we also have a complete oslo.config implementation in ruby so we can get rid of the "hacky" inifile? | 15:46 |
| aglarendil | EmilienM: not a problem - we have big contribution into OpenStack anyway | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | richm: what is the problem with inifile? | 15:47 |
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| richm | it doesn't handle some of the weird cases that oslo.config supports | 15:47 |
| aglarendil | richm: which use cases? | 15:47 |
| richm | so you end up having to hack around | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | it's very brave to think we're going to support a ruby SDK and follow openstack features | 15:47 |
| richm | e.g. you have to strip() values | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | all API changes, etc | 15:47 |
| aglarendil | EmilienM: we can have this client lagging a bit, but we can provide users with choice | 15:47 |
| aglarendil | 1) OpenStackClient which is slower | 15:48 |
| richm | I think there were some problems with sections with special characters in them e.g. [foo:bar] | 15:48 |
| aglarendil | 2) Ruby library with less features but faster | 15:48 |
| aglarendil | richm: oh, you are talking about multiparams | 15:48 |
| richm | yes | 15:48 |
| chem | EmilienM: true values | 15:48 |
| richm | maybe it would be easier to just call python directly from ruby . . . | 15:49 |
| chem | EmilienM: there are a lot broader in the oslo.config (y, n, 1, 0, ...) | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | openstack is hard to catch-up, and now we're going to write a new library? go ahead if you like, but good luck | 15:49 |
| chem | EmilienM: for instance | 15:49 |
| aglarendil | folks, can we bring up oslo.config vs inifile in ML ? | 15:49 |
| aglarendil | please? | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | ++ | 15:49 |
| aglarendil | we are mixing the discussion | 15:49 |
| richm | +1 | 15:49 |
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| clayton | EmilienM: it doesn't support the syntax needed for neutron service providers | 15:49 |
| chem | ok, I can do this | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | #action chem to run ML thread about oslo.config vs inifile | 15:50 |
| aglarendil | so, for ruby library - I propose we come up with library and provide users with a choice | 15:50 |
| aglarendil | and let the best man win | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | I'm not sure I understand the expression but anyway | 15:51 |
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| richm | IMO the biggest problem with openstackclient is that the distros lag so far behind | 15:51 |
| aglarendil | I mean let people decide which one they love the best | 15:51 |
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| richm | will this new ruby library have the same problem? | 15:51 |
| mfisch | how would it get deployed? | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | richm: I -1 your statement | 15:51 |
| aglarendil | richm: it depends on who well the package with this library is maintained | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | because we are developping liberty now, and osclient is up to date AFIK | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | the valid statement would be: we can't backport some patches because of osclient lag | 15:52 |
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| EmilienM | but we could have the same issue with the library | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | we will have to bump up the library in our stable branches | 15:52 |
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| EmilienM | which will increase the need of backward compatibility code between API changes | 15:53 |
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| mfisch | how does the library get pulled in? its not packaged right? | 15:53 |
| mfisch | gem? | 15:53 |
| richm | EmilienM: ok - but who knows what weird problem we will run into with trying to implement federation that can only be solved by another osc update . . . | 15:53 |
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| EmilienM | I think it would be a gem | 15:53 |
| aglarendil | EmilienM: could you please come up with these points in the ML? It is easier to read such long arguments in one place | 15:54 |
| mfisch | +1 | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | sure | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | I saw you guys took time to write during the meeting, I could not | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | I'll write my thoughts today | 15:54 |
| mfisch | is Vladimir here? | 15:54 |
| crinkle | the way we were doing it with aviator was the whole gem was vendored into its own module | 15:54 |
| aglarendil | Vladimir is me, btw | 15:54 |
| crinkle | we can't depend on a gem, for the same reason we can't depend on pip libraries | 15:54 |
| aglarendil | crinkle: there are good ways of continuous delivery of ruby gem packages | 15:55 |
| aglarendil | as well as pip libraries | 15:55 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: why can't we? | 15:55 |
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| angdraug | why can't we package it? | 15:56 |
| aglarendil | Folks, could I bring up another theme on openstacklib exception handling? | 15:56 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: you would be fine with depending on pip libraries? then why are we trying to use the openstackclient distro packages? | 15:56 |
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| richm | I think using gems is a non-starter for RDO, for example | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | aglarendil: it was not on the agenda, and meeting is almost done.. but go ahead.. | 15:56 |
| aglarendil | I wrinte an email, please look into it - it has spent several days without an answer | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: no I would not be fine using pip libraries | 15:57 |
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| aglarendil | #link http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/65977 | 15:57 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: gems are the same thing | 15:57 |
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| EmilienM | richm: such a change would indeed require some packaging work for RDO | 15:57 |
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| aglarendil | crinkle: could you please follow up this issue into ML ? I will provide my thoughts on it in response | 15:58 |
| crinkle | aglarendil: sure | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | #action the group to take care of openstacklib exception handling http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/65977 | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | thanks everyone, a lot of topics today | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 15:59:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-10-13-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-10-13-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-10-13-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 16:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:00 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 16:00 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:00 | |
| mugsie | so, who is around? | 16:00 |
| mugsie | i know dougwig said he may not make it | 16:00 |
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| dougwig | Walking into office. :) | 16:01 |
| mugsie | :) | 16:01 |
| xgerman | and you are on mountain time | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | run! | 16:01 |
| mugsie | hey, I am on PST these days nearly ;) | 16:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | mugsie start mid cycle planning | 16:02 |
| mugsie | I did (start it) | 16:02 |
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| mugsie | Are people OK with the idea of co-locating with L4-7 + Designate? | 16:03 |
| mugsie | it may be 2 days between the 2, or similar | 16:03 |
| mugsie | (I kinda have to be in attendance at the designate one :p) | 16:03 |
| dougwig | I'm good with it. Especially if it's in Hawaii | 16:03 |
| xgerman | just let Kiall handle it ;-) | 16:03 |
| mugsie | xgerman: :) | 16:04 |
| mugsie | dougwig: ++ to hawaii ;) | 16:04 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 16:04 |
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| mugsie | we do not have any real agenda items for this week, - is there anything off agenda ? | 16:05 |
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| dougwig | i propose that we do as the TC and skip the next two meetings, in light of the summit and travel. | 16:05 |
| mugsie | dougwig: if you could +A the specs, that would be great :) | 16:05 |
| mugsie | ++ | 16:05 |
| dougwig | mugsie: will look at that this morning. | 16:05 |
| mugsie | OK, I will send the email saying we are skipping the next 2 weeks | 16:05 |
| mugsie | anything else for this week? | 16:06 |
| mugsie | or will we have the quickest meeting ever? | 16:06 |
| dougwig | not from me. just reviews and summit coming. | 16:06 |
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| mugsie | cool. | 16:06 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 16:06:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-10-13-16.00.html | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-10-13-16.00.txt | 16:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-10-13-16.00.log.html | 16:06 |
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