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nikhil#startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team14:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 23 14:01:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team'14:01
nikhil#topic meeting cancellation14:02
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mfedosino/14:02
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nikhilPSA: in the event of a clash with the Glance review/bug day today, we are cancelling this meeting. Please reach out to me, mfedosin or anyone on #openstack-glance channel for any questions, concerns or comments. Thanks!14:03
mfedosinthanks!14:03
nikhilHave a good day!14:03
nikhil#endmeeting14:03
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-11-23-14.01.html14:03
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-11-23-14.01.txt14:03
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-11-23-14.01.log.html14:03
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mriedemttx: my system is a bit wonky this morning so if i randomly drop that's why14:59
dhellmanno/15:00
Daviey_ttx: I'm driving.. so if i don't respond it is because i have crashed and died.15:00
ttxo/15:00
ttx#startmeeting stable15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 23 15:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'stable'15:00
ttxDo we have Jokke_ ?15:00
Jokke_o/15:01
ttxyes we do15:01
Jokke_yeah I'm here15:01
ttxalright, so my goal for this meeting is to make sure we agree on team scope and a few other details, then see who is still up for PTL15:01
ttxLet me explain what I think the team should do, see if you all concur15:02
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flaper87o/15:02
apuimedo#startmeeting kuryr15:02
openstackapuimedo: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.15:02
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ttxoops.15:02
apuimedooops15:02
flaper87oh mmh, overlap?15:02
fawadkhaliqSeems like a conflict.15:02
ttxwell, not on the calendar15:02
ttxdamn15:02
apuimedothat's odd15:02
* mestery lurks15:02
mriedemwhy don't we just move the stable meeting to stable15:02
fawadkhaliqI thought this was Kuryr meeting15:03
* ttx is fine moving to #openstack-stable15:03
mesteryHa!15:03
mesteryI wanted to lurk in BOTH of these meetings :)15:03
* mriedem moves15:03
ttxstable -> move to #openstack-stable15:03
ttx#endmeeting15:03
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2015/stable.2015-11-23-15.00.html15:03
apuimedobanix: is it possible that you changed the meeting instead of alternating?15:03
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2015/stable.2015-11-23-15.00.txt15:03
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2015/stable.2015-11-23-15.00.log.html15:03
apuimedo#startmeeting kuryr15:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 23 15:03:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kuryr'15:03
apuimedoHi all and welcome to yet another kuryr meeting15:03
apuimedowho's up for the party?15:03
mesteryo/15:03
digao/15:03
vikaso/15:03
fawadkhaliqhello!15:03
banixapuimedo: no; someone else had done that; I corrected it15:03
apuimedobanix: cool, thanks15:04
apuimedolet's check what happened later15:04
apuimedoirenab: ?15:04
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irenabapuimedo: hey, sorry just joined15:04
apuimedo:-)15:04
apuimedo#info mestery diga vikas fawadkhaliq banix, irenab and apuimedo in the meeting15:05
apuimedoI guess taku prefers the alternate time :P15:05
apuimedothank you all for joining15:05
mesterythanks for running this apuimedo :)15:05
apuimedo#info mestery was kind enough to register #openstack-kuryr as a separate channel15:06
apuimedolet's hangout there15:06
mesteryyay!15:06
apuimedowhen not in meetings15:06
fawadkhaliqawesome!15:06
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apuimedo#topic getting started15:06
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apuimedoit is clear that it's not very easy to get kuryr up and running for development nor for trying it out15:07
mesteryheh :)15:07
apuimedolast week I was at dockercon demoing kuryr and I managed to do it with devstack15:07
apuimedodoing some modifications to gsagie's devstack plugin15:08
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fawadkhaliqDevStack plugin ftw!15:08
banixapuimedo: how was that received? May be can talk about it later15:08
apuimedo#action get devstack plugin merged and finished this week15:08
apuimedoI already got it working but I'm refinining it15:08
apuimedoin principle I change it to make it work without nova, cinder, glance, etc15:09
apuimedowhat do you guys think?15:09
apuimedoI was thinking of making nova and others optional15:09
fawadkhaliqFor minimal installs, yes, makes sense.15:09
apuimedofor when you want to test interaction between VM and containers in networks15:09
irenabapuimedo: in a view of our previous discussion, maybe we need to keep nova15:09
irenabor at least if Horizon is enabled, have nova enabled as well15:10
apuimedoirenab: good point, I'll test it and propose a follow up patch after gsagie's15:10
irenabapuimedo: great, thanks15:10
banixapuimedo: sounds reasonable; so we shouldprobably have a full flege OS install or the minimal needed for Kuryr: Neutron and Keystone?15:10
apuimedo#action apuimedo to make devstack nova inclusion configurable in the sample local.conf15:11
banixfeldged15:11
apuimedobanix: I think ajo will update the vagrant contrib to use the new devstack15:11
banixgreat15:11
apuimedowe should also improve the devref15:11
vikas_apuimedo: agreed15:12
apuimedo#action apuimedo add docker network creation commands to devref15:12
apuimedoanything else about getting started issues?15:12
apuimedoalright, moving on15:14
apuimedo#topic blueprint maintenance15:14
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apuimedobanix: I approved https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/kuryr-config15:14
apuimedobanix: you already sent a patch for this that was merged some time ago15:15
apuimedois there more work remaining before we can mark it as "implemented"15:15
banixapuimedo: I will upload a final patch to make our script use config files when present shortly15:15
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apuimedothanks15:15
banixapuimedo: a bit more work to do15:15
apuimedo#action banix to finish implementation of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/kuryr-config15:15
apuimedodiga: banix: what's the state on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/vif-binding-and-unbinding-mechanism15:16
banixdiga: please comment15:16
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digaapuimedo: I am working on this, will submit next patch by15:17
digatomorrow15:17
digabut I need to discuss about OVS hybrid binding15:17
apuimedo#action diga to submit the ovs binding patch by ~ 2015-11-2415:17
banixdiga: lets get the basic in first15:17
banixwe can do the hybrid as a follow on15:18
digaokay15:18
apuimedodiga: hybrid binding is postponed until we know if mitaka will use conntrack15:18
digaokay15:18
fawadkhaliqapuimedo: on ovs conntrack15:18
apuimedodiga: fawadkhaliq was checking with jlibosva about it IIRC15:18
digaapuimedo: okay15:18
fawadkhaliqReached out in the mailing list and Kuba (libosvar) is working on the support. Here's a link to the bug ID with details. As it seems right now, it is expected to land in Mitaka.15:18
apuimedodiga: you can find him on #openstack-neutron15:18
fawadkhaliq#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/146100015:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1461000 in neutron "[rfe] openvswitch based firewall driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Jakub Libosvar (libosvar)15:18
banixapuimedo: we could still have hybrid without ovs conntrack; how we do it wth ovs driver right now15:18
digasure apuimedo15:19
apuimedobanix: you mean setting the linux bridges?15:19
banixapuimedo: yes15:19
apuimedoI'll get ahold of kuba and ask him when he thinks it will be ready in devstack15:19
apuimedo*master15:19
apuimedoif it's early enough maybe it's not worth it15:19
apuimedobanix: otherwise I fully agree15:19
apuimedothanks fawadkhaliq15:19
banixapuimedo: agree. the effort for adding hybrid is very minimal; so not a big work item.15:20
apuimedo#action check with kuba for an estimation on when we'll have conntrack in master15:20
apuimedotrue15:20
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fawadkhaliqbanix: +115:20
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banixDo we want to have a closer look at the os_vif api?15:21
apuimedobanix: you mean the new library thing?15:21
banixand see if we can use that rather than going on a different way?15:21
irenabbanx: I think so15:21
digaapuimedo: fawadkhaliq: banix : thanks15:21
banixapuimedo: yes15:21
apuimedoI guess it's worth a shot15:21
irenabI can take a look during the week15:22
apuimedoanybody with the link handy?15:22
fawadkhaliqyes15:22
apuimedohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/193668/5/specs/mitaka/approved/os-vif-library.rst15:22
apuimedoright?15:22
banixapuimedo: that apimay be in flux but worth have a look and see iif we can use as is15:22
fawadkhaliq#link  https://github.com/openstack/os-vif15:22
fawadkhaliqits pretty much empty right now15:22
apuimedo#action irenab to check re-usability of https://github.com/openstack/os-vif https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193668/5/specs/mitaka/approved/os-vif-library.rst15:22
apuimedoit'd be nice if we can re-use it15:23
irenabapuimedo: agree15:23
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apuimedovikas: irenab: fawadkhaliq: thanks for the discussion at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/external-network-connectivity15:23
apuimedo#info some more discussion has been going on at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/external-network-connectivity15:24
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banixa  bit more on what may be coming here: https://github.com/jaypipes/os_vif15:24
fawadkhaliqah I see. thanks banix15:24
apuimedobanix: yes. I expect most of it to make it from there15:24
apuimedo#link https://github.com/jaypipes/os_vif15:25
irenabbanix: I think there was also ethrpad from design summit, need to find it15:25
apuimedoas I wrote, I basically agree with fawadkhaliq in that we should not perform the implicit creation15:25
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banixirenab: yes, linked on the wiki from last week meeting15:25
apuimedoonly that I think that external connectivity should be optional and we could just log when not configured15:25
apuimedoor when not specified15:25
fawadkhaliqapuimedo: agree15:25
apuimedoand I think that it is something that belongs to a network15:26
apuimedothe decision whether to connect to the external router15:26
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apuimedoanybody with a different view on that?15:26
irenabapuimedo: you expect this requirement to be passed via tg?15:27
banixapuimedo: the router is an existing router?15:27
apuimedoapropos banix, did the network --opt finally make it to the docker 1.9 api?15:27
banixapuimedo: yes15:28
apuimedobanix: yes. I expect that just like one can set a default pool15:28
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banixI see15:28
apuimedoone could also set a router for external connectivity15:28
apuimedoand specify it15:28
apuimedoby uuid or by name15:28
irenabapuimedo: by talking to neutron directly?15:28
apuimedoirenab: yes, this is environment configuration15:28
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irenabapuimedo: my question is regarding user actions. User uses both neuron and docker API?15:29
apuimedovikas: thoughts?15:29
apuimedoI believe setting the external router is something for the admin15:30
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apuimedospecifying it when creating a network (which is docker api) belongs to the user15:30
irenabSeems maybe we need spec for this blueprint, to make sure use case is captured15:30
apuimedoI agree with having a spec15:30
fawadkhaliqirenab: +115:30
apuimedobanix, vikas, mestery, diga ?15:31
* irenab : sorry, have to go. Will check the log later 15:31
fawadkhaliqvikas: mentioned he will write a spec once discussion reaches a certain point. I think we are there :-)15:31
mesterySeems like a spec would allow for more discussion here15:31
banixirenab: agree; the work flow is important here; with —opt we can do whatever but we have to work it through15:31
banix+1 yes we need more discussion15:32
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apuimedo#action vikas to move external connectivity to spec with the assumption of no default action15:32
apuimedothat phrasing I just did was not the best :P15:33
apuimedoI meant no router creation15:33
fawadkhaliqlol15:33
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apuimedo#topic IPAM15:34
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digaapuimedo: I think user uses both docker & neutron api, we need more discussion on this thread15:34
apuimedodiga: absolutely15:34
apuimedoit's one of the great things of kuryr, that it puts the neutron api at the hand of the container user15:34
apuimedohowever, when the user does not touch it, we should have usable behavior15:35
digaI will go through it once again & work with vikas on this15:35
apuimedoI think we can close this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/ipam15:35
digayep15:35
apuimedothe ipam driver changed things enough that it deserves a new spec or bp15:36
diga+115:36
apuimedobanix: irenab: mestery: fawadkhaliq: ^^15:36
fawadkhaliq:-)15:36
banixapuimedo: +115:37
fawadkhaliq+!15:37
fawadkhaliq+115:37
mestery+115:37
apuimedoI liked the +!15:37
apuimedoit's more assertive :P15:37
banixyeah an excited +1!15:37
mesteryrofl15:37
fawadkhaliqLOL15:37
apuimedothere, obsoleted15:38
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vikassorry folks, had some connectivity issue15:39
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apuimedo#action vikas tfukushima to work on the ipam as a spec or new bp15:39
apuimedovikas: any news about the ipam driver?15:40
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vikasapuimedo: ipam driver is ready rom design/approach perspective.This week i will be completing along with unit tests.15:40
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apuimedovikas: great news!15:40
apuimedolooking forward to review :P15:41
vikasapuimedo: sure :)15:41
apuimedoon a related topic15:41
vikasapuimedo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248042/15:42
apuimedohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/241134/15:42
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apuimedoI'd really like to get this merged, either as is, or removing the dhcp option for now and adding it only when we have the ipam driver ready15:43
fawadkhaliq#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248042/15:43
apuimedoas I feel this can be blocking people right now when using devstack with docker 1.915:43
fawadkhaliqapuimedo: +115:43
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apuimedovikas: oh, not ready for merge, but for code review... I'll definitely take a look :P15:43
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banixsounds reasonable15:44
apuimedoI don't really mind one way or another banix, irenab, vikas15:44
apuimedoI think fawadkhaliq feels the same way about it15:44
fawadkhaliqexactly15:45
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fawadkhaliqsince this a stop gap solution, I am okay with it.15:45
apuimedoyup15:45
banixapuimedo: well this can be just a stop-gap measure; it looks (and is) something not to do but i think we all agree on that15:45
apuimedo#action irenab, tfukushima and banix to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241134/ and either make it change to disabled-not-configurable or approve15:47
apuimedo:-)15:47
fawadkhaliqapuimedo: +115:47
apuimedo#topic open floor15:47
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apuimedoAlright, we covered some ground today :-)15:47
apuimedowho has more topics?15:47
banixapuimedo: can you tell us a bit about how Kuryr was received at dockercon eu15:47
apuimedooh sure!15:47
fawadkhaliqbanix: +115:48
apuimedothere's two kinds of people in the audience15:48
apuimedothose that run docker at home or in small environments for development15:48
banixgood ones, and bad ones!15:48
fawadkhaliqgood news and bad news kind of stuff? :-)15:48
apuimedothose didn't see the point15:48
apuimedothe people operating and with users liked the approach a lot15:48
mesterycool!15:49
apuimedothere was more than one that loved the idea of having OSt and containers in the same environment as well15:49
mesteryapuimedo: Even better :)15:49
fawadkhaliqvery nice!15:49
apuimedoI think the isolation and api for routing, sg, fwaas, etc is really important15:49
apuimedoalongside multi tenancy15:49
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banixyes indeed. cool.15:49
apuimedoit sets kuryr apart from other container networking IMHO15:49
mestery++15:50
vikascool :)15:50
apuimedoand more importantly15:50
apuimedothe food was good15:50
apuimedo:-)15:50
vikas:D15:50
fawadkhaliqah the most important thing15:50
apuimedoI was completely stuffed15:50
fawadkhaliq:-)15:50
apuimedobut, as I was saying in #openstack-kuryr earlier15:51
fawadkhaliqthanks apuimedo mestery for setting this up!15:51
banixagree; docker itself maybe going toward doing some of this but I think we still have a good value to add15:51
apuimedowe need to work with kubernetes, mesos, swarm to interoperate15:51
fawadkhaliqalready on it!15:51
mestery:)15:51
apuimedoswarm should just work15:51
apuimedoso somebody should just try it :P15:51
ttxSo it looks like there is an issue with the meeting schedule15:51
apuimedokubernetes is working on adding multitenancy15:51
banixapuimedo: would be doing a demo with swarm hopefully very soon15:52
apuimedoand we may be able to reuse cni15:52
fawadkhaliqbanix: nice!15:52
apuimedobanix: great!15:52
apuimedomake a video15:52
apuimedoand put it on planet openstack ;-)15:52
banixapuimedo: will do15:52
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ttxapuimedo: the ICS shows you at 0300 UTC tomorrow15:52
fawadkhaliqapuimedo: for the times when demo fails? ;-)15:52
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apuimedofawadkhaliq: you have to use the source, Luke15:52
fawadkhaliq:D15:52
apuimedottx: it seems we screwed up the time change15:53
apuimedothat's our alternating time15:53
banixttx: the updated version got merged last week15:53
apuimedothat was last week15:53
banixttx: we have themeetings on alternate days/times15:53
ttxapuimedo: ok -- so should we alternate odd/even on the repository ?15:54
apuimedoso yeah, we have to look at CNI and mesos ipam and isolators and make a bp15:54
ttxor will you just have the meetign at the same hour next week ?15:54
banixttx: at some point someone (that I do not know) made the change on git to use only our 2nd time slot; probably then you picked up our current time slot15:54
apuimedottx: next week is the 03:00 utc15:54
vikasapuimedo: aure15:54
vikas*sure15:54
banixttx: ours should be already reflected in the repo as odd/even15:54
apuimedo:-)15:54
apuimedoI'm going to try to look into it this week15:55
apuimedoAny other topic?15:55
apuimedo(5min remaining)15:55
ttxbanix, apuimedo: yeah, probably need to switch between odd and even15:55
apuimedo#info kuryr was demoed from devstack at dockercon eu with routers, sg, etc15:55
banixttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245868/15:56
banixapuimedo: cool15:56
banixthe sessions were recorded?15:56
banixapuimedo: do you have a link?15:56
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apuimedomeh... It seems the snow took my connection down for a moment15:58
apuimedodid I miss something?15:58
fawadkhaliqback just in time15:58
apuimedootherwise...15:58
ttxbanix: yes, this week is an even week, so this needs an additional change15:58
apuimedofinishing in 315:58
apuimedofinishing in 215:59
apuimedofinishing in 115:59
banixttx: ok will update15:59
apuimedo#endmeeting15:59
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banixapuimedo: link to your presentation?15:59
openstackMeeting ended Mon Nov 23 15:59:18 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:59
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-11-23-15.03.html15:59
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-11-23-15.03.txt15:59
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-11-23-15.03.log.html15:59
apuimedoThank you all for joining15:59
fawadkhaliqbye everyone!15:59
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ttxbanix: just swap the two frequency lines :)15:59
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banixttx: will do shortly. thanks15:59
Sukhdev_Hello folks time for Ironic-Neutron meeting16:00
yhvhhi16:01
sambettsHey Sukhdev_ o/16:01
baoliHi16:01
jrollmorning :)16:01
Sukhdev_#startmeeting ironic_neutron16:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 23 16:01:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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Sukhdev_Good morning everybody!!16:01
kevinbentongood morning16:01
Sukhdev_#topic: Agenda16:02
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Sukhdev_#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_November_23.2C_201516:02
Sukhdev_#topic: Announcements16:02
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Sukhdev_M1 will going sometime next week16:02
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Sukhdev_I do not have announcement - does anybody want to announce anything?16:03
Sukhdev_I have a very focused agenda this morning16:03
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Sukhdev_Lets dive into it then -16:03
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Sukhdev_#topic: CI discussion16:04
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lazy_princeo/16:04
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Sukhdev_This is the main thing I would like to get a concensus on, if possible16:04
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Sukhdev_lazy_prince and I had a chat about coming up with a plan for it -16:05
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Sukhdev_I also had a chat with kevinbenton (most of you know him) from neutron core team about this16:05
Sukhdev_so, I invited kevinbenton to join us this morning to participate in this discussion as he is very familiar with the OVS and L2 agent part16:06
Sukhdev_having said that - lets dive into the discussion.16:06
lazy_princeand were you to reach some conclusion..?16:06
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Sukhdev_no - we did not conclude anything - we thought we do that here16:07
Sukhdev_first lazy_prince can you please start with your findings16:07
Sukhdev_based upon what you have tried and the road block you hit16:07
lazy_princeSo basically, when we use flat network to test network flipping,16:08
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jrollSukhdev_: side note, updating some patches, can you press "restore" on this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213264/16:09
lazy_princewe have one issue.. once a port is created, the dhcp agent will start serving the ip address ir-respective of port bound or not..16:09
lazy_princeso when nova boot is called, it will create a port for the tenant network..16:10
lazy_princewhich will be in unbound state..and then ironic will create another port on provisioning network whihc will be bound.16:11
lazy_princeso there will be two ports with the same mac id on two different flat network. which means we get into race condition of who servers the ip address first..16:12
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kevinbentonlazy_prince: so these flat networks are wired together to be on the same bridge then?16:12
lazy_princeI hope I made my point.. did I..?16:12
lazy_princeyes.. as its VM in ci/devstack16:13
kevinbentonack16:13
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sambettslazy_prince: this shouldn't happen in a real env right? because of vlan separation?16:14
kevinbentonso can someone give me a quick explanation of what it is that we are trying to validate with this test?16:14
lazy_princeright.. but this is CI job specific issue that we are talking about..16:14
kevinbentonsambetts: yes, normally two neutron networks wouldn't land on the same broadcast domain16:14
Sukhdev_kevinbenton : basically the network flip logic16:14
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sambettslazy_prince: can't we replicate the vlan separation with the OVS tags?16:15
jrollkevinbenton: tl;dr attempting to test isolated networks in devstack16:15
lazy_princeWe want to stay in the limits of openstack and OVS plugns doesn not support baremetal at the moment..16:16
kevinbentonjroll, Sukhdev_: right, but if we put everything on the same flat network, how will we be testing isolated networks?16:16
jrollkevinbenton: I have the same question :D16:16
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lazy_princekevinbenton: good point...16:16
jrollcould we just drop an iptables rule between the two networks?16:17
lazy_princeit a L2 thing.. iptables i think plays in L3..16:17
lazy_princeI could be wrong too...16:17
kevinbentonbut i'm still not sure what this test is validating, is it validating neutron, or just ironic's calls to neutron?16:18
jrollthe latter16:18
sambettscould we set the tags on the ovs ports then the flows will just drop packets for the wrong network?16:18
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kevinbentonbut if we are doing a bunch of manual wiring here, i'm not sure what we are validating...16:19
lazy_princekevinbenton: +116:20
Sukhdev_kevinbenton and I discussed another idea - kevinbenton, can you describe it for benefits of all16:20
kevinbentonso what i was discussing with Sukhdev_ is to make an adjustment to OVS/ML2 to be able to bind ports added to vswitch based on the switch_info dict16:20
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kevinbentonthe idea is that we add a port to OVS with some arbitrary name (e.g. IRONICP1)16:21
kevinbentonthen create ports with switch info populated with a chassis ID of the hostname of the compute node and the port name of IRONICp116:22
kevinbentonthen when the OVS agent is doing lookups to the server to find corresponding Neutron port objects to the interfaces, we can lookup based on the switch_info16:23
lazy_princebasically adding support for baremetal in ovs mech driver/agent..16:23
kevinbentonright now the lookup is based on the mac, a port UUID, or fragment of the UUID16:23
kevinbentonlazy_prince: yes16:23
sambetts+116:23
lazy_prince+116:23
kevinbentonif we go this route, we are testing everything16:24
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sambettsthis is what I expected us to do16:24
lazy_princeHow is neutron community going to react to this idea..? do we have there blessings..?16:24
jrollsambetts: +116:24
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jrollkevinbenton: so is the change purely in the ml2 thing for ovs, or also in ovs itself16:24
kevinbentonit will require a change to the ML2 plugin because right now the port lookup stuff is hard-coded and not dependent on the driver16:25
jrollnod, seems fine to me16:25
kevinbentonjroll: definitely no OVS change, but possibly a modification on the OVS agent (i assume that's what you meant)16:25
kevinbentonjroll: mainly a server-side change16:25
jrollkevinbenton: nah, I meant ovs itself, just to be sure :)16:25
kevinbentonlazy_prince: i can help push this forward16:25
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kevinbentonlazy_prince: there has been a TODO in the code for a while to move some of the port lookup logic into the ML2 drivers16:26
lazy_princekevinbenton: that would be awesome.. a new bp or soec is needed..?16:26
lazy_princes/soec/spec/16:26
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kevinbentonlazy_prince: might need a small spec16:27
kevinbentonlazy_prince: i coded up most of the server changes yesterday and they aren't too invasive16:27
kevinbentonlazy_prince: but it's a new ML2 driver API so it's probably good to have a spec for it anyway16:27
Sukhdev_kevinbenton : ha ha and you told me that you might not be able to get to it :-)16:28
kevinbentonSukhdev_: i didn't get it clean enough to push up as gerrit reviews yet16:28
lazy_princekevinbenton: let me know when its ready for testing.. I would like to test it..16:28
kevinbentonlazy_prince: yes, so i was planning on getting it pushed up as a WIP patch today so people could try it out16:29
lazy_princedoes anyone sees any other blockers other than this to get it included in ci..?16:29
Sukhdev_lazy_prince good question16:29
kevinbentoni have a quick question16:30
kevinbentonso is the switch_info dict populated on both ports at the same time?16:30
kevinbentonor will ironic only populate it on the port that it wants to be active?16:30
lazy_princenope.. only on one at a time..16:30
kevinbentonexcellent. the logic would have been more complex if i had multiple results and had to determine which one was currently bound16:31
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kevinbentonoh, one more thing. was this using a different vnic_type, or was it just a different device_owner?16:31
jrolllazy_prince: fyi, it'll need to use a whole disk image because it won't be able to pxe boot the tenant image, but the disk image already exists in devstack so not a huge deal16:31
Sukhdev_kevinbenton : nova boot initiated call will not have host_id and will not have this information as well16:31
lazy_princejroll: thanks.. but I have that covered...16:32
kevinbentonSukhdev_: don't you pass a port to nova boot that contains the switch_info>?16:32
jrolllazy_prince: cool, just making sure :)16:32
Sukhdev_kevinbenton :no16:32
Sukhdev_kevinbenton : just the network where the BM needs to attach (i.e. tenant network)16:33
kevinbentonSukhdev_: so in a normal deployment, how is anything supposed to be wired up correctly at boot time?16:33
kevinbenton(a deployment with a real switch)16:33
lazy_princeSukhdev_: now you can share your ppt with kevinbenton16:34
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Sukhdev_lazy_prince : will do16:35
kevinbentonif we need to wire ports for bare metal servers, we will always need to provide the switch_info for where they are connected16:36
jrollkevinbenton: nova creates the tenant port, does not wire it up yet. ironic creates the port on the provisioning network with switch info, that's where we do the deploy. then we drop the provisioning port after deploy and wire up the tenant port16:36
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kevinbentonjroll: but the provisioning port must also have switch_info16:37
baolijust a quick thought, if a port is not bound, then the information shouldn't be populated in dnsmasq, right? So althought the tenant network neutron port is initially created, it shouldn't be added into dnsmasq when it's not bound.16:37
kevinbentonjroll: otherwise how will neutron put the port on the correct network?16:37
jrollkevinbenton: the provisioning port will have switch info16:38
sambettsbaoli: dnsmasq is populated whether on not the port is bound16:38
kevinbentonjroll: oh, i thought Sukhdev_ was telling me that it wouldn't. that was the confusion16:38
jrollkevinbenton: the port nova creates is the tenant port, and will initially not have switch_info; that's provided by ironic after the deploy is done16:39
jrollmake sense?16:39
lazy_princesambetts: I guess, baoli is proposing to change that behaviour..16:39
baolisambetts, would making a change like that solve the problem?16:39
kevinbentonjroll: but doesn't it need the network to deploy?16:39
sambettsbaoli: yes, but it wouldn't solve the problem that the networks aren't isolated16:39
jrollkevinbenton: yeah, that's the provisioning port that ironic creates16:39
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kevinbentonbaoli: we can't make that kind of change (i'll come back to that in a second)16:40
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kevinbentonjroll: so what's the initial port used for that nova creates?16:40
baolikevinbenton, sure.16:40
jrollkevinbenton: it's the tenant port, wired up after the deploy is done. the provisioning port only lives for the lifetime of the deploy16:41
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kevinbentonjroll: oooh, okay. it's ultimately the port you want to use16:41
jrollyep16:41
kevinbentonjroll: and you will update it with switch_info after everything else is done16:42
jrollyep16:42
kevinbentonmakes sense16:42
kevinbentonok, back to baoli's suggestion16:42
kevinbentonbaoli: first issue is that creating unbound neutron ports is a way to make DHCP reservations for stuff not managed by openstack16:43
kevinbentonbaoli: e.g. completely unmanaged bare metal16:43
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kevinbentonbaoli: or whatever someone might want neutron to give an address to on a provider network16:43
kevinbentonbaoli: so if we don't allow unbound ports to have dhcp reservations, we will break that16:44
kevinbentonbaoli: the second issue is that it means the DHCP agent has to understand the port binding process16:44
kevinbentonbaoli: which doesn't necessarily exist in all core plugins16:44
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kevinbentonbaoli: we could conceivably make a change to the dhcp agent to not offer leases to ports with admin_state_up set to False16:46
baolikevinbenton: yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's just a matter of when to put the lease in the config file to be offered.16:46
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sambettsstill doesn't solve that the machine can access both broadcast domains16:47
Sukhdev_baoli : we could end up changing the behavior in neutron for many plugin16:48
kevinbentonright, i would be much happier if we can have this testing more of a 'real' end-to-end setup16:48
baolior I'd say that we may not create the tenant network neutron port before the deploy is done if that's possible?16:48
jrollagree16:48
kevinbentonso if we have this bare metal like support in OVS. it's just like how it will work with a mech driver16:48
sambettsbaoli: thats would require reworking logic inside nova16:49
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kevinbentonbaoli: so going down that road is trying to make neutron work in a way that violates the assumptions about neutron networks (separate broadcast domains) so it will be hard to justify to the wider community16:50
kevinbentonSukhdev_: ack. so what i will do is push up my WIP code at the end of the day16:51
Sukhdev_Folks, in the interest of time - are we in agreement with the proposal16:51
sambettsI am16:51
jroll+1 from me16:51
Sukhdev_and I had already given +2 to it before the meeting :-):-)16:52
lazy_prince+116:52
Sukhdev_#action: Sukhdev to work with kevinbenton to get the spec and the patch worked up in neutron for the network flip logic16:52
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Sukhdev_Folks, this was the main agenda item on my mind to reach a conclusion on16:53
Sukhdev_#topic: Open Discussion16:53
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baoliI agree to the approach. some questions may be clarifed after seeing the code16:53
jrolljfyi, I updated the nova spec and rebased nova patches. hoping to find some time to hack on them to get them working this week16:54
Sukhdev_I am going to skip everything on agenda and open for discussion16:54
baoliSukhdev, I have a question on how the vPC config is injected into the tenant's image in your test.16:54
kevinbenton(sorry to eat so much time)16:54
Sukhdev_jroll : I answered some of the question on the review comments on the nova spec16:54
Sukhdev_kevinbenton : that was so nice of you to agree to join us and provide this help16:55
jrollSukhdev_: well, I updated the spec to answer them better as it was a pretty poor spec :P16:55
jrollkevinbenton: indeed, thank you!16:55
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Sukhdev_jroll ::-)16:55
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Sukhdev_baoli : I did not understand your question - I use the standard image16:56
baoliSukhdev: do you need to create a bonded interface after it's booted16:56
sambettsSukhdev_: are you using cloud-init to setup the bonded interfaces?16:56
Sukhdev_baoli sambetts : oh - I have not started to test the bonded interfaces yet16:57
Sukhdev_lazy_prince : have you done any such testing yet ?16:57
Sukhdev_Folks BTW, item 7 on the etherpad (under issues) still need a closure - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-neutron-mid-cycle16:58
jrollthere's work that needs to be done in nova to support vlans and bonds in configdrive/metadata16:58
lazy_princenope... not yet.. but I will be starting on this very soon... a bit busy for the time being..16:58
Sukhdev_lazy_prince : same here :-)16:58
baoliis the plan to use the Racker cloud-init that supports network.json?16:58
jrollSukhdev_: I hope to fix that patch for item 7 this week16:59
Sukhdev_jroll : cool - thanks16:59
jrollbaoli: the plan is to get those patches in cloud-init16:59
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baolijroll: when is that going to happen? and is there someone pushing for that to happen?16:59
Sukhdev_Folks time is up - I have to chair another meeting on this next - so, we have to close this - sorry :-)17:00
jrollbaoli: well, nova needs the vlan/bonding support first17:00
Sukhdev_Thanks for attending todays meeting - we had excellent discussion and closures...17:01
kevinbentonlater!17:01
baolijroll, ok, got it, if volunteer is needed, I can start looking into that.17:01
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lazy_princeand neutron needs support for trunk ports too...17:01
Sukhdev_#endmeeting17:01
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Sukhdev_Folks time for L2GW meeting17:01
oferbyhi17:01
Sukhdev_#startmeeting networking_l2gw17:02
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Sukhdev_oferby : hi17:02
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Sukhdev_lets give some time for others to join in17:02
oferbysure17:02
Sukhdev_armax : are you here?17:02
Sukhdev_#topic: Agenda17:03
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Sukhdev_#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/L2Gateway#Meeting_November_23.2C_201517:03
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Sukhdev_anybody here from india team?17:04
Sukhdev_oferby: sorry for the confusion last week17:05
Sukhdev_this meeting takes place every other week17:05
oferbyits OK. not a problem.17:05
oferbyaccording to the schedule, it should have been last week.17:06
Sukhdev_Oh really - probably some kind of screw up then - sorry about that17:07
Sukhdev_I was looking for armax, I can not find him17:07
Sukhdev_he is not responding - I was going to discuss with him the release plan for Liberty17:08
Sukhdev_I have logged a bug to kick off this some time today or during this week17:08
Sukhdev_#link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-l2gw/+bug/151879417:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1518794 in networking-l2gw "Release request for networking-L2GW for stable/liberty" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sukhdev Kapur (sukhdev-8)17:08
oferbyuntil all will join, I understand that in the meeting you had with Ayal in Tokyo you / armax requested IDL. I started to work on it.17:08
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Sukhdev_oferby : since armax is not here - lets get to the topic on the agenda to cover your use case17:09
oferbysure.17:09
oferbythe change it actually easy17:09
Sukhdev_#topic: L2GW as inter-cloud interconnect17:09
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Sukhdev_oferby : yes I met with the team in Tokyo17:10
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oferbywe need to add tunnel_key to Physical_Locator so we will be able to use single dst IP with multiple VNI17:10
oferbythe hardware_vtep spec state that it is optionaly in the future (at the time it was written)17:11
Sukhdev_oferby : correct - we discussed about it in Tokyo17:12
Sukhdev_oferby : BTW, are you familiar with this bug -https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-l2gw/+bug/148909517:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1489095 in networking-l2gw "Switch to ovslib" [Undecided,New]17:13
Sukhdev_#link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-l2gw/+bug/148909517:13
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oferbywe can assign it to me. I already started to work on it17:14
Sukhdev_oferby : cool - thanks.17:15
oferbysure.17:15
Sukhdev_so, what armax and I discussed with the team was that we should start with a good foundation - and part of it was to switch to this library17:16
oferbythis is what I was told, so I already started and have the lib, connection and model ready. I'm not working on commands and than I will change the code to use the new lib.17:17
oferbyI'm now ....17:17
Sukhdev_oferby: So, what I was thinking is that we can release the liberty with its present implementation - then we can switch to the library and build upon it for Mitaka release17:18
Sukhdev_oferby : cool - so, you are ahead of me in that case :-)17:18
oferbyseems good idea to me too17:18
oferby:-) I think I will be ready with the IDL right after the liberty release ...17:19
Sukhdev_oferby : I think you are on the right path - keep working off the master branch. Once we cut the liberty release, then we can work on your patches17:19
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oferbysure17:20
Sukhdev_maruti is not here - I wish he was. He had pointed out one issue with the library -17:20
Sukhdev_give me a sec - let me look as to the issue he raised17:20
oferbyif there is something you would like to me look at, let me know.17:21
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Sukhdev_maruti states that python OVS library does not have support for manager table yet17:22
Sukhdev_and we use manager table in our present implementation17:23
Sukhdev_oferby : are you aware of this?17:23
oferbyI do not use the data model from the lib. I created a model for L2GW and I use the IDL for connection management and row manipulation17:23
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Sukhdev_for the connection management - who initiates the connection? server or the agent?17:24
oferbyagent17:25
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Sukhdev_oferby : ah ha - that is the issue then - we need it both ways17:25
oferbythis is for the writer. for the monitoring - I did not looked at yet.17:25
oferbywe will have something similar to the writer/monitor17:26
Sukhdev_present implementation supports both ways - through config17:26
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oferbyI would like the connection to be configured using api command instead of config file17:27
Sukhdev_anyways, he brought this issue to armax and my attention17:27
Sukhdev_for a generic implementation, we need to support both ways -17:27
oferbyin inter-cloud it is very important to be able to easily add gw17:27
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Sukhdev_so, when you add a gw, what are the steps you will take?17:28
oferbystate its connection string and it will connect. something like tcp:192.168.100.1:664017:29
oferbyan agent will be able to manage multiple connections to ovsdb servers17:29
Sukhdev_oferby : where will you set this connection string ?17:30
oferbyapi command17:30
Sukhdev_so, does this API write it into the OVSDB server DB?17:30
oferbyno. to the neutron db for persistence. the agent will read it when starting17:31
Sukhdev_got it17:32
Sukhdev_there was a patch recently pushed to support connection to multiple OVSDB servers - are you aware of it?17:32
oferbyno, but we are going to change to the OVS lib anyway so the connection will be different anyway17:33
Sukhdev_I just approved it yesterday :-)17:33
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Sukhdev_here it is just FYI - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222841/17:33
oferby:-)17:34
Sukhdev_so, coming back to the issue that I was describing -17:34
Sukhdev_there is a requirement (and we recently added support for it) to support the initiation of the connection from the server as well17:35
Sukhdev_most of the controllers work in that fashion -17:35
oferbyI must say that I'm not sure if there is support in the IDL for that. I will check.17:35
Sukhdev_i.e. you configure the IP of the agent in the OVSDB server and it will automatically connect17:36
Sukhdev_this makes deployment very easy for the operators17:36
Sukhdev_And, for that we use management table17:36
Sukhdev_Yes, please have a look17:37
oferbyI see. I will take a look17:37
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Sukhdev_In order to keep things backward compatible, we need to ensure that present functionality is not broken17:37
oferbysure17:37
Sukhdev_other than that I do not have anything to share17:38
Sukhdev_unless you have anything else to discuss, we can call it off now.17:38
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oferbyI will wait with inter-cloud after I will finish the IDL. ok?17:39
Sukhdev_I will follow up with armax off-line and get the release logistics worked out and will post on the ML17:39
Sukhdev_oferby : sounds good17:39
oferbyok. so we can call it a off.17:39
Sukhdev_oferby : BTW, can I ask you for a favor17:39
oferbysure17:40
Sukhdev_there were couple of link to the inter-cloud that your folks provided in Tokyo -17:40
Sukhdev_I can't seem to find them ( I probably deleted it accidently) - can you share those?17:41
Sukhdev_I would like to put them on the L2GW wiki for the benefit of others17:41
oferbysure. I will do that tomorrow my morning.17:41
Sukhdev_cool - thanks17:41
Sukhdev_Thanks for joining - have a wonderful day17:42
Sukhdev_bye17:42
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oferbyyou too. bye.17:42
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