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| gsagie | #startmeeting dragonflow | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 09:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gsagie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| gsagie | Hello all | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:00 |
| gsagie | Who is here for Dragonflow meeting :)? | 09:00 |
| gampel | Hi everyone | 09:00 |
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| dingboopt | o/ | 09:01 |
| oanson | Hi | 09:01 |
| gsagie | gampel: if you can please ping DuanKebo | 09:01 |
| gampel | ok i will | 09:01 |
| nick-ma | hi | 09:01 |
| gsagie | #info gampel, nick-ma, oanson, dingboopt, gsagie in meeting | 09:02 |
| gsagie | yuli_s. Shlomo here? | 09:02 |
| yuli_s | Yes | 09:02 |
| Shlomo_N | yes | 09:02 |
| gsagie | #info yuli_s in meeting :) | 09:02 |
| gsagie | #info Shlomo_N in meeting :):):):):):) | 09:02 |
| Shlomo_N | :0 | 09:02 |
| gsagie | lets wait a minute or two for DuanKebo and we can start | 09:03 |
| gsagie | #topic announcements | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:03 | |
| gsagie | As we mentioned last week, Dragonflow submitted a request to be added as a big-tent project | 09:04 |
| gsagie | gampel will be our PTL for the first round, the discussion about it in the TC meeting is suppose to be tomorrow | 09:04 |
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| gampel | we will have standard election in April | 09:05 |
| gampel | so this is only intermediate stage | 09:05 |
| gsagie | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee TC irc meeting | 09:05 |
| gsagie | if anyone is interested to join in | 09:05 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: raofei is here btw? | 09:05 |
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| gsagie | another announcement is we decided and voted to let nick-ma join Dragonflow core-team, nick-ma has been a huge help for us in reviews and in patches and is leading our DB-consistency efforts and i am sure he will continue to be great help to Dragonflow | 09:07 |
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| gsagie | so welcome to the team nick-ma | 09:07 |
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| gampel | :)welcome nick-ma | 09:07 |
| nick-ma | thanks. | 09:07 |
| dingboopt | i just notified him | 09:07 |
| Shlomo_N | welcome nick-ma | 09:07 |
| gsagie | #topic security groups and port security | 09:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "security groups and port security (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:08 | |
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| gsagie | dingboopt: the stage is yours | 09:08 |
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| gsagie | keep everyone in the loop :) | 09:08 |
| dingboopt | I write most the code | 09:08 |
| dingboopt | and test it by the way | 09:08 |
| dingboopt | everything looks ok | 09:09 |
| gsagie | okie, so by next week we should have most/all of the code merged right? | 09:09 |
| dingboopt | yes | 09:09 |
| gsagie | we also would like to do performance testing for it (Shlomo can assist with this) | 09:09 |
| dingboopt | ok | 09:09 |
| gsagie | to see the overhead of security groups | 09:09 |
| dingboopt | i see | 09:09 |
| gsagie | okie great, good job on that front | 09:09 |
| gsagie | #action dingboopt upload all security groups app code for review | 09:10 |
| gsagie | we also need to test it and see it works for all cases | 09:10 |
| gsagie | including multi node setups | 09:10 |
| dingboopt | ok | 09:10 |
| gampel | dingboopt: we need to make sure we add fullstack test | 09:10 |
| gampel | for sg | 09:11 |
| dingboopt | I see | 09:11 |
| gsagie | okie great, please let us know if you encounter any problem or need our help | 09:11 |
| dingboopt | keep all related people updated | 09:11 |
| gampel | please look at the patch omer send for ARP responder testing | 09:11 |
| gsagie | i want to see the overall pipeline once its merged, we are going to have many changes to the pipeline now with all the new features and we need to make sure | 09:11 |
| gsagie | everything integrate good together | 09:11 |
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| gsagie | yes, you can talk with oanson about the new testing infrastructure added | 09:12 |
| dingboopt | yes | 09:12 |
| gsagie | will be good to add security group and port security tests using that | 09:12 |
| gsagie | ok | 09:12 |
| dingboopt | I see | 09:12 |
| gsagie | thank you dingboopt | 09:12 |
| gsagie | #topic DB consistency | 09:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB consistency (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:12 | |
| nick-ma | ok | 09:12 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: the stage is yours | 09:12 |
| nick-ma | i uploaded the source code that I wrote last several days and updated the spec to reflect the design. | 09:12 |
| nick-ma | the current code is under manual testing. | 09:13 |
| dingboopt | Only version number, no jounal db table? | 09:13 |
| gsagie | #info DB consistency patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282290/ | 09:13 |
| nick-ma | version number and SQL lock db table. | 09:14 |
| gsagie | #info DB consistency spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268005/ | 09:14 |
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| dingboopt | agree | 09:14 |
| gsagie | hi raofei, welcome! :) | 09:14 |
| nick-ma | introduce one db table for versioned object; another db table for distributed lock. all are implemented by SQL. | 09:14 |
| nick-ma | you can check the updated spec. | 09:14 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: would be great if you can review it as well and provide feedback | 09:14 |
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| dingboopt | yes | 09:14 |
| dingboopt | will do | 09:15 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: ok sounds great, any help that you would like to have oanson help with? | 09:15 |
| gsagie | err any task | 09:15 |
| nick-ma | the testing result is that I concurrently creates 10 subnets and it works. But it may bring overhead on sql backend due to isolation level | 09:15 |
| nick-ma | problem | 09:15 |
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| nick-ma | neutron by default sets isolation level to REPEATABLE READ. but it is not good for SQL lock statements. the mysql official suggests to use READ COMMITTED which is by default in postgresql. but neutron core team refused during some mailing list discussion. this problem is also in nova team. | 09:16 |
| nick-ma | there are no solution in the upstream because this is the common problem for almost all the projects. | 09:17 |
| gampel | i see wnats the process to change that is it in the code or configration | 09:17 |
| dingboopt | changing the isolation level may cause problem to exsting neutron code | 09:18 |
| nick-ma | code conversion. lots of db codes are assumed under REPEATABLE READ. | 09:18 |
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| nick-ma | yes | 09:18 |
| nick-ma | dingbo is right. | 09:18 |
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| gsagie | you mean the seperation of network and subnet? | 09:18 |
| gsagie | to two objects in dragonflow model | 09:18 |
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| gampel | OK there some connectivity issues for gal | 09:19 |
| nick-ma | no, currently i don't change the schema. | 09:19 |
| dingboopt | transaction isolation leve | 09:19 |
| dingboopt | l | 09:19 |
| nick-ma | i think if the code is working for the current schema. it is also working for changes in the later stage. | 09:19 |
| gampel | next stage is to to the compare and swap ? will then the DB setting effect the performance | 09:20 |
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| gampel | nick-ma: you mean the effect is when you lock the version table | 09:21 |
| nick-ma | compare and swap is based on what Db backends we use. ETCD provide compare-swap for value. zookeeper provides compare-swap for internal version. if we need it, i can provide another spec on that. | 09:21 |
| nick-ma | yes, lock statements are working, but not optimal. | 09:22 |
| gampel | I see, I think that the end goal is to do the compare and swap | 09:22 |
| gampel | but i agree we need to do small steps and make sure we understand the problems | 09:22 |
| nick-ma | another test is also needed for Galera clustering to demonstrate the sql lock mechanism. | 09:22 |
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| gampel | Ok we will try to set it up here, you are using Galera clustering in your solution ? | 09:23 |
| nick-ma | i'll do it this week and try to finish the current work using sql lock to protect concurrent writes on DF DB. | 09:23 |
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| gampel | thats great i will try to review your patch today | 09:24 |
| nick-ma | no, i'll evaluate and test the code under Galera to see the effect. | 09:24 |
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| nick-ma | you can review them tomorrow. i'll update it this evening. | 09:24 |
| gsagie | ok sorry | 09:24 |
| gampel | Ok will do | 09:24 |
| gsagie | we have internet problems here :) | 09:24 |
| gsagie | gampel, nick-ma: problem solved? | 09:24 |
| gsagie | err i mean topic :) | 09:25 |
| gsagie | #topic publish-subscribe | 09:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "publish-subscribe (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:25 | |
| gsagie | anything open on DB consistency? | 09:25 |
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| gampel | I think we coverd this topic with action items form me and nick-ma to test under Galera | 09:25 |
| yuli_s2 | I am back | 09:25 |
| gsagie | #action nick-ma, gampel test DB consistency under Galera | 09:25 |
| nick-ma | yes. if you have any problems or questions, please review my spec. | 09:26 |
| gsagie | okie great | 09:26 |
| gampel | and we need to understand better the effect of the DB setting EPEATABLE READ/ READ COMMITTED | 09:26 |
| nick-ma | i'll make sure the spec and code are consistent. | 09:26 |
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| gsagie | gampel: anything on the publish-subscribe? | 09:26 |
| gampel | we merged the API | 09:26 |
| gsagie | too bad DuanKebo is not here, as we need to sync regarding redis :( | 09:27 |
| gampel | currently all teh publishing is done via the neutron server | 09:27 |
| gsagie | we will schedule meeting for tommorow to discuss it | 09:27 |
| gampel | he told me he will join shortly | 09:27 |
| gsagie | okie great, oanson is adding monitoring thread | 09:27 |
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| gsagie | oanson: hi, just in time :) | 09:27 |
| gampel | yes we are adding a publisher service | 09:27 |
| gsagie | would like to describe the monitoring threadas | 09:28 |
| gsagie | for tables | 09:28 |
| gsagie | ? | 09:28 |
| oanson | Sure | 09:28 |
| oanson | The plan is to add a separate service, i.e. separate process, for publishing info. | 09:28 |
| gsagie | #info pub-sub service https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281336/ | 09:28 |
| oanson | On this service, we plan to run a thread monitoring the distributed db for changes | 09:28 |
| gsagie | #info pub-sub api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282879/ | 09:29 |
| oanson | This means that the monitor will only run once on a neutron server, and not once per CPU/core | 09:29 |
| oanson | A serivce is necessary in most cases, since binding the socket (for TCP/IP communications) can only be done from a single process | 09:29 |
| gampel | it is impotent to note that q-svc is forked per core, so currently we run it multiple time in the same machine | 09:30 |
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| oanson | We'll make the inter-process and network communications pluggable, so in case a published event doesn't need to go through the service (e.g. UDP), it can bypass it and go directly out the network | 09:30 |
| oanson | In that case, the service will only be for DB table monitoring. | 09:30 |
| gsagie | okie, good work oanson, you believe it can be done this week? we do need to see how we help on the redis part as well, to have it act similar to this | 09:31 |
| oanson | Definitely will be up for review this week | 09:31 |
| gsagie | #action oanson pub/sub service patch for review | 09:31 |
| gsagie | ok great, thanks | 09:31 |
| gampel | we currently think to call it publisher service , if there are any other suggestion it will be great | 09:31 |
| gsagie | db-publisher-service | 09:31 |
| gampel | sound good to me | 09:32 |
| gsagie | publisher service sounds good either way | 09:32 |
| gsagie | gampel: anything else open on this front? we do need to start test it | 09:32 |
| oanson | df-publisher-service, in case it ever publishes non-db related events | 09:32 |
| gsagie | more often | 09:32 |
| gampel | yes i need to add the service discovery table for all the publishers | 09:32 |
| gsagie | #action gampel add service discovery DF table for publishers | 09:33 |
| gampel | and will address all the comments on teh spce please review | 09:33 |
| gsagie | yes, in general i think we want to have all/most of our configuration from the DB | 09:33 |
| gsagie | less use of configuration files | 09:33 |
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| gsagie | will make updates/upgrades/deployments easier | 09:33 |
| gsagie | and of course managment | 09:33 |
| gampel | #info: :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263733/ | 09:33 |
| gampel | yes | 09:34 |
| gsagie | #info pub-sub spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263733/ | 09:34 |
| gsagie | please review everyone | 09:34 |
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| gsagie | #topic distributed DNAT | 09:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "distributed DNAT (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:34 | |
| gsagie | raofei: the stage is yours :) | 09:34 |
| gsagie | any update? | 09:34 |
| gsagie | #info dnat patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279434/ | 09:35 |
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| raofei | This week I will start the DNAT app coding, maybe i can commit it this week. | 09:35 |
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| gsagie | raofei: okie great, regarding the spec you sent, maybe consider changing the name | 09:35 |
| raofei | sorry, I'm attending a meeting with somebody just now. | 09:36 |
| gsagie | to be more specific for the title as we already have distributed dnat spec | 09:36 |
| gsagie | raofei: okie np, lets take this offline and on the review | 09:36 |
| raofei | OK, please commit your comments, thanks. | 09:36 |
| gsagie | #topic selective proactive | 09:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "selective proactive (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:36 | |
| gsagie | DuanKebo here? | 09:36 |
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| gampel | he is in another meeting, let me check | 09:37 |
| gsagie | the spec was merged, we talked and decided to not move the functionallity from the controller | 09:37 |
| gsagie | but have seperate module just for the selective/proactive part, and then when everything is done maybe we can consider rafactoring | 09:37 |
| gampel | OK | 09:38 |
| gsagie | reason is there are many people working on the same code and we dont want to introduce major | 09:38 |
| gsagie | code refactoring that are not needed, personally i dont think they are right | 09:38 |
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| gsagie | but we can re-look when everything is done | 09:38 |
| gsagie | the OVSDB monitor events are sent to the DB changes queue and the controller will react accordingly | 09:38 |
| gampel | yes we have a lot of patch integration on the way | 09:39 |
| gsagie | anyone has anything to add on selective proactive? | 09:39 |
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| gsagie | we will discuss with DuanKebo tommorow, anyone that wants to join is welcome, come to #openstack-dragonflow | 09:39 |
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| gsagie | ok, for controller reliability no one is here to talk about | 09:39 |
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| gsagie | #topic controller reliability | 09:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "controller reliability (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:40 | |
| gsagie | we will need to make sure this is all good and works with current L3 | 09:40 |
| gsagie | application as it changes cookie for flows | 09:40 |
| gsagie | i think we should set the L3 proactive app as default for now | 09:40 |
| gsagie | any thoughts? | 09:40 |
| gampel | whats the namespace needed for the L3 how many bits | 09:41 |
| gsagie | there is one more optimization that is needed in the L3 app and thats not using flows from every subnet to every subnet but just | 09:41 |
| gampel | the cookie is 64 bit, if we use 32 bit for the reliability is it enough ? | 09:41 |
| gsagie | classifying the router id (giving it a register) and then having one flow per router interface | 09:42 |
| gsagie | gampel: for reliability even less is enough it basically only need to be 2-3 numbers | 09:42 |
| raofei | yes, I think so, using router id instead of subnet | 09:42 |
| gsagie | 2-3 options | 09:42 |
| gampel | yes we discuss this in the past how big effort an effort you think it is | 09:42 |
| gsagie | gampel: not big at all we already have everything in place | 09:42 |
| gsagie | i will start working on it | 09:43 |
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| gsagie | #action gsagie enhance L3 apps to use one flow per router interface based on router id | 09:43 |
| gsagie | then, i think we dont even need the cookie | 09:43 |
| gsagie | for the L3 proactive app | 09:43 |
| oanson | gsagie, you mean one flow from every subnet to every router? Or one flow from every subnet to each router, and then flows between routers? | 09:44 |
| oanson | to its* router, in the second question. | 09:44 |
| gsagie | oanson: regardless of proactive/reactive, i mean the flows at the first table, we will only need one flow per router interface | 09:44 |
| gsagie | right now we have from each router interface to all the other interfaces to check there is route | 09:45 |
| gsagie | for proactive, we will have to detect the destination port in the next table | 09:45 |
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| gsagie | we are running out of time so lets continue this offline | 09:45 |
| gsagie | Hi DuanKebo :) | 09:45 |
| DuanKebo | Hi | 09:45 |
| gsagie | we wont have enough time for all topics | 09:45 |
| DuanKebo | Sorry for late | 09:45 |
| gsagie | #topic RedisDB | 09:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RedisDB (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:45 | |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: np, we really feel we need to sync regarding redis DB implementation, both the DB and the pub/sub | 09:46 |
| gampel | DuanKebo ? are you here | 09:46 |
| gsagie | as its going to be the default implementation | 09:46 |
| DuanKebo | Eran has posted some comments about redis driver | 09:46 |
| DuanKebo | Feipeng will discuss them with Eran | 09:46 |
| gampel | yes he can ping me any time | 09:47 |
| gsagie | okie, we need to see maybe me or oanson can help with any task | 09:47 |
| gsagie | or someone else | 09:47 |
| gsagie | #action gsagie.gampel,DuanKebo,feipeng sync regarding redis db efforts and see we on schedule | 09:48 |
| DuanKebo | We also need to modify the df plugin to support redis db | 09:48 |
| gampel | yes make sure we are aligned with the db-publisher-service idea | 09:48 |
| DuanKebo | Yes, it will use the sub-pub framework | 09:49 |
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| nick-ma | does redis provide build-in pub/sub? | 09:49 |
| DuanKebo | Yes | 09:49 |
| DuanKebo | it does. | 09:49 |
| nick-ma | ok, get it. thanks. | 09:50 |
| gsagie | yes it has some nice features regarding selective proactive | 09:50 |
| gsagie | it also filter things in the publisher which is good | 09:50 |
| gsagie | okie | 09:51 |
| DuanKebo | Hi gal, we need the a "tanant_id" para in the north bound db interfaces. | 09:51 |
| nick-ma | okie | 09:51 |
| gampel | we need to test it in scale , zmq has a publisher XPUB but it does not scale when doing publisher side filtering | 09:51 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: i am adding this part right now, what do you see is missing? | 09:51 |
| gsagie | #action test redis pub/sub with publisher side filtering | 09:52 |
| gampel | in ZMQ we currently use PUB which is client side (we need to test the trade off network/server load) | 09:52 |
| DuanKebo | Great | 09:52 |
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| gsagie | DuanKebo: i add it to db_api, i think its already added and the selective proactive will also need to call the pub/sub "register_topic" with new tenant ids | 09:53 |
| gsagie | to register for pub/sub in addition to bringing the correct DB | 09:53 |
| gsagie | our Neutron plugin should already populate all objects with another parameter called "topic" which we pass to the DB_API | 09:53 |
| gsagie | thats the tenant id | 09:54 |
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| DuanKebo | Yes, it will can register-topic and unregister_topic | 09:54 |
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| gsagie | okie great | 09:54 |
| gampel | yes and unregister when deleting the Tenant VMs | 09:54 |
| DuanKebo | In addition to the sub/pub interface, | 09:54 |
| gsagie | we dont have time to talk about testing/bugs but lets agree that next meeting we going to put it first, Shlomo_N is doing some good work and with the community for us to compare results with DVR | 09:54 |
| gsagie | and understand L3 performance | 09:54 |
| DuanKebo | the query interface aslo need tenant_id para. | 09:54 |
| gsagie | yuli_s will soon start working on control plane testing and stretch tests | 09:55 |
| Shlomo_N | thanks gsagie :) | 09:55 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: what do you mean "query" ? you mean query from the DB? like "get_all_keys"? | 09:55 |
| DuanKebo | for example | 09:55 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: in master we already have this | 09:56 |
| DuanKebo | get_ports() | 09:56 |
| yuli_s2 | yup | 09:56 |
| gsagie | in the db_api | 09:56 |
| gsagie | we called it "topic", by default its None | 09:56 |
| gampel | #info: Yuli control plane spec (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282873/ | 09:56 |
| DuanKebo | OK, i will update my code | 09:56 |
| gsagie | #info: Yuli control plane spec (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282873/ | 09:56 |
| gsagie | cool didnt see this, will review | 09:56 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: ok, please let me know if anything is missing | 09:57 |
| gsagie | #topic open discussion | 09:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:57 | |
| gsagie | only 1-2 minutes left, anyone wants to add anything? :) | 09:57 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: we will have the meeting tommorow to furthur sync regarding redis db and selective proactive | 09:57 |
| DuanKebo | OK | 09:57 |
| gsagie | so if you guys have any questions.. | 09:57 |
| DuanKebo | I will book a meeting room in advance. | 09:57 |
| DuanKebo | Sorry for the inconvienent. | 09:58 |
| gampel | thank you everyone :) | 09:58 |
| gsagie | ok, thanks everyone for joining | 09:58 |
| nick-ma | in irc? | 09:58 |
| Shlomo_N | yes | 09:58 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: we will send you the ivnitation | 09:58 |
| nick-ma | okie. thanks. | 09:58 |
| gsagie | so you can join in | 09:58 |
| nick-ma | thanks, all. | 09:59 |
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| gsagie | ok thanks everyone! | 09:59 |
| gsagie | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 09:59:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-22-09.00.html | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-22-09.00.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-22-09.00.log.html | 09:59 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks Ironic-neutron meeting time | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 16:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:00 |
| jroll | ohai! | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Agenda (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:01 | |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_February_22.2C_2016 | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | Today's agenda is light | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:02 | |
| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcements? | 16:02 |
| jroll | we made good progress on the first api patch during the midcycle last week \o/ | 16:02 |
| jroll | unfortunately, we also agreed the second one needs some heavy rework :( | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : can you elaborate, please | 16:03 |
| devananda | o/ | 16:03 |
| jroll | so devananda probably is better with the words on this at this point | 16:04 |
| sambetts | o/ Hi all | 16:04 |
| jroll | but basically, the way the pluggability works and drivers are loaded, etc, needs to be refactored | 16:04 |
| jroll | which is the majority of the patch | 16:04 |
| vsaienko | \o | 16:04 |
| jroll | for reference, this is https://review.openstack.org/139687 | 16:04 |
| devananda | as it stands, that patch is adding a per-node setting (exposed in the API) to change what network provider that node uses | 16:04 |
| jroll | I was meant to work on this friday, but due to travel terribleness, did not get to it. I can hack on it tomorrow. | 16:05 |
| devananda | that is basically how we plan to handle driver composition | 16:05 |
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| devananda | however, the patch doesn't have a well-defined internal API, eg. to support out of tree network provider implementations | 16:05 |
| devananda | so we agreed to refactor it so that it does | 16:05 |
| devananda | and create a NetworkProviderInterface API (internally) -- much like we have a DeployInterface and BootInterface, etc | 16:06 |
| devananda | jroll: that about sum it up? | 16:06 |
| jroll | devananda: yes, I think so | 16:06 |
| vsaienko | devananda: who is going to handle refactoring? | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | devananda, jroll: thanks for clarification | 16:07 |
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| jroll | vsaienko: I plan to get to it tomorrow | 16:07 |
| jroll | unless deva really wants to tackle it | 16:07 |
| jroll | probably start today but likely not finish | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : just for clarification, with this refactoring, will there be still need to specify network_provider in the config file? | 16:10 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: that was a default, if not specified on the node... I would think we would require it to be set on the node itself | 16:10 |
| sambetts | I think we'd still need a default to fall back too if the nodes network interface is None? | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | Got it | 16:12 |
| jroll | sambetts: if we're treating it as a driver, it should be a required field IMO | 16:12 |
| jroll | just like node.driver is required, probably need to do it in validate | 16:13 |
| * jroll needs to check if driver comp spec covers this | 16:13 | |
| sambetts | yup, that sounds good | 16:13 |
| * sambetts was wondering if we had an optional config parameter that set the network interface on a newly enrolled node to the default | 16:14 | |
| jroll | we do in the current patch, I'm not so sure if it's a good idea now though | 16:14 |
| jroll | devananda: ^ opinions? | 16:14 |
| devananda | jroll: I need to review the driver comp spec as well | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts: the default in the config will apply to all nodes including newly enrolled nodes as well, no? | 16:16 |
| devananda | honestly, I do not want to hold up the networking work for that spec, so if we don't get the internal API right, we can iterate -- but we have to get the REST API right | 16:16 |
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| devananda | jroll: I'll dive into the driver comp stuff today | 16:16 |
| jroll | devananda: sorry, my question was about your opinion on whether to require setting node.network_provider or allow a default specified in config | 16:17 |
| devananda | oh | 16:17 |
| devananda | sorry | 16:17 |
| sambetts | I think that node.network_provider should be a required field, but there should be an option to set the default one when you enroll the node | 16:17 |
| sambetts | just an idea | 16:18 |
| devananda | sambetts: that will be a cumbersome and breaking REST API change | 16:18 |
| jroll | ? | 16:18 |
| devananda | sambetts: everyone enrolling nodes would have to pas a new option | 16:18 |
| jroll | how does that break the REST API, this doesn't exist in the API yet | 16:18 |
| jroll | oh. ohhh. | 16:18 |
| sambetts | my idea prevents them from having to pass an option everytime | 16:18 |
| sambetts | e.g. if network_provider not passed, set the one from the config file | 16:19 |
| jroll | to be clear, even without the default, I'm not proposing an error on POST /nodes without network_provider set, but rather failing node-validate if not set | 16:20 |
| devananda | jroll: that is better | 16:20 |
| jroll | still kind of a workflow break though | 16:20 |
| devananda | jroll: not if the default is the no-op (flat) network provider | 16:20 |
| jroll | I don't mind a default in config, or even hard coding flat default | 16:21 |
| jroll | yep | 16:21 |
| devananda | since that's the default today (because there isn't an alternative) | 16:21 |
| jroll | nod | 16:21 |
| jroll | yeah, I can get behind that | 16:21 |
| * sambetts nods | 16:22 | |
| jroll | cool | 16:22 |
| jroll | let's plan on that then and move on? | 16:22 |
| devananda | +1 for now | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | this makes sense to me | 16:22 |
| devananda | I'm going to review dtantsur's spec in the meantime | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | In a way this is the current patch's behavior - | 16:23 |
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| jroll | sure, this isn't the problem with the current patch, to be clear :) | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : right - for a minute I thought it was being changed - but, now it is clear :-) | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | I plan on updating my system with the latest patches - seems like I should wait :-) | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | until this refactoring is done | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything else on the patches we want to cover? | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:29 |
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| sambetts | I'm concerned about the patch above the network provider patch adding logic to the deploy drviers | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | #undo | 16:29 |
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| sambetts | I'm a bit concerned that its making changes in functions that can't be overridden | 16:30 |
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| jroll | sambetts: got a link? | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | which one? | 16:30 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213262/72 | 16:30 |
| jroll | at first glance, I think the refactor will fix that given it will call driver.network.blah | 16:31 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213262/72/ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py | 16:31 |
| sambetts | the finish deploy function ^ | 16:31 |
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| devananda | jroll: just finished reading the composable driver spec. it's still incomplete | 16:32 |
| devananda | jroll: doesn't really define any of the APIs yet | 16:32 |
| jroll | sambetts: what pieces do you think would need to be overrideable there? or rather what would you like to see? | 16:32 |
| jroll | devananda: oh fun :) | 16:32 |
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| sambetts | jroll: for our oob network driver we have to unconfigure the networking with the machine still turned on for the programming on the BMC to work, right now this shuts it down before that call happens, so I'd love to override that but can't because its a separate function outside the iscsi class, so I have to override the whole passthru function below that | 16:35 |
| jroll | oh, yikes | 16:35 |
| jroll | so, that isn't ideal, but it is also fixable later | 16:36 |
| jroll | or we could quickly move it into the driver class so it's overrideable | 16:36 |
| devananda | fix seems straight forward: make those module-level methods into class methods | 16:36 |
| devananda | right | 16:36 |
| jroll | yeah, seems sane, not much to discuss here :) | 16:37 |
| jroll | sambetts: leave a comment on the patch and it should get done | 16:37 |
| sambetts | :) cool, will do | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else? | 16:38 |
| sambetts | something else I noticed is that depending on the ramdisk your using prepare instance happens either before or after local boot is configured, not sure if that will be affected by the networking work | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : so, you are concerned about the timing of the flip? | 16:44 |
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| sambetts | yes, I'm not sure if its problem or not in this case | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : it seems you are testing these patches - if you notice any issue, it will be good to know | 16:47 |
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| sambetts | Sukhdev: I'm working on some custom out of tree network providers so I'm probably hitting weird things that come from that | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | :-) | 16:49 |
| devananda | sambetts: you're still going through neutron, but just changing the order of calls, making some extra hardware calls, etc -- right? | 16:49 |
| sambetts | yeah | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : changing the order of calls to neutron - or making extra calls - I hope it the latter.... | 16:51 |
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| * Sukhdev time check 8 min remaining | 16:52 | |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets continue to discuss sambetts issue, but, also open up for Open Discussion as well - since only few min left | 16:53 |
| sambetts | making extra calls, a good example of the sort of thing we ran into is this: because we have to have the node on to configure the networking/bmc, the agent deploy driver complains that it can't soft power off the node because it can't access it | 16:53 |
| sambetts | once we configure the tenant networks | 16:53 |
| sambetts | and go to reboot it | 16:53 |
| sambetts | tbh most of these issues are down to our crazy stuff rather than the existing code | 16:54 |
| sambetts | anyway, RE our conversation 2 weeks ago, I've now posted this | 16:55 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277853/ | 16:55 |
| sambetts | and we had a good discussion about it during the Ironic mid-cycle | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277853/ | 16:55 |
| jroll | ++ | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : can you add the link to etherpad, please? | 16:56 |
| sambetts | and I've now got this WIP patch up to show the Ironic side changes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282431/ | 16:56 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: the midcycle one? | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : yes - that is where I track all these patches - makes it lot easier - | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282431/ | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : this is good stuff - thanks | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : I will review it - but, is it in line with the nova/neutron work? | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | i.e. main port as access port and sub-ports as tagged ports? | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | this will be very useful for service BMs | 16:59 |
| * Sukhdev time check | 17:00 | |
| Sukhdev | Folks, we are out of time | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | This was very useful discussion - thanks for participation | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ thanks all | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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