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| anand | Hello I have a barbican question. | 04:00 |
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| anand | I am at : dding support for configuring number of async worker processes Adding new config parameter to control number of async worker processes. Also removing existing parameter 'workers' as its not used and was currently defined under DEFAULT config section. Change-Id: I04af9d012ca86227171eecebdbf43999dd667ac5 Closes-Bug: #1519159 | 04:00 |
| openstack | bug 1519159 in Barbican "Barbican number of workers configuration does not work" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519159 | 04:00 |
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| anand | and | 04:01 |
| anand | # Number of asynchronous worker processes. # When greater than 1, then that many additional worker processes are # created for asynchronous worker functionality. asynchronous_workers = 6 | 04:01 |
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| anand | in my barbican.conf | 04:01 |
| anand | but i still dont see 6 worker processes | 04:01 |
| anand | I see just 1 | 04:02 |
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| anand | is there anything I am missing? | 04:03 |
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| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 14:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
| avarner | o/ | 14:00 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:00 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 14:01 |
| kairat | o/ | 14:01 |
| ninag | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | ok, I'd call that a quorum :D | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | There, as usual | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | where is agenda? :) | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | Everything that's not in the agenda, let's keep it for Open Discussion | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | ah | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | there | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | I forgot to update the date | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | yup, that's better | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Updates Glare | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates Glare (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:02 | |
| mfedosin | okay, let's begin | 14:02 |
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| mfedosin | first, as it was promised the spec is here | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | after that I have several meetings with folks from murano and app-catalog | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | they gave me several advice, but in general they like the proposal | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | today we're going to join api-wg meeting with Nikhil | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | ok, We can start reviewing those specs in a couple of weeks from now. As soon as FF is over and we have a tag | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | that sounds great | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | joining the API-WG meeting is definitely good | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | after that I'll update the spec based on all comments | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | second, Ina Vasilevskaya is back after maternity leave | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | And she's happy to join Glance/Glare team again | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | w0000h000, glad to have her back :D | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | there are several administrative issues | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | but should get better next week. | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | ok, got it! All good news | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | thanks for working on the spec | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | np, it's my job :) | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | let's know the feedback from the api-wg | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 14:07 |
| nikhil | there was some ping | 14:07 |
| nikhil | about plugins requirement from murano | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | there is a couple of minor things | 14:07 |
| nikhil | and that hard coding was tough for them | 14:07 |
| nikhil | but that's still in discussion I sup? | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | plugins as in API extensions ? | 14:08 |
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| mfedosin | about plugins and API extensions | 14:08 |
| nikhil | hm, not exactly. loosely coupling of the code with those of the artifacts types | 14:08 |
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| mfedosin | We don't like it | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | currently we want that all plugins will be placed in glance/objects folder | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | mmh, understood. I'll have to read their request a bit better | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | like oslo.vo requires | 14:09 |
| nikhil | I just wanted to point this out, I did not intend to start a discussion (ftr) | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | but Murano needs some external | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | let's move on. We can discuss this further on the spec | 14:09 |
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| mfedosin | I'll told you about our decision after this meeting in glance channel | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic updates nova v1->v2 | 14:10 |
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| flaper87 | There's not much to update here | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | This work was moved to Newton | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | yeah | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | the one thing I did want to mention is that we need to schedule a session or something with the nova team | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | code is still there, no review at all | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: ++ | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | Also, we need to start the work on glanceclient to have that compatibility layer | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: is it a final decision? | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: what part? | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | compatibility layer | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | oh, yeah. I mean, we were going to do it anyway. The thing is we wanted to postpone it for after the nova migration happened | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | We need to work on a compatibility layer that favors v2 and doesn't break v1 | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | and then release it in glanceclient so we can move nova to v2 in N-1 | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | The sooner we start this, the better | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | I see | 14:13 |
| kairat | So we need to change Mike's code, do we? | 14:13 |
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| mfedosin | kairat: I hope no | 14:13 |
| kairat | And implement migration from scratch> | 14:13 |
| kairat | Ok | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | no | 14:14 |
| kairat | That's good | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | we can take the code from Nova and put in the client | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | The compatibility layer should (hopefully) fit into what Mike did | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: sorta, we might want to change it a bit | 14:14 |
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| mfedosin | we just need to replace several utilities | 14:14 |
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| flaper87 | anyway, that's the gist | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | We should have a spec for this, tbh | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | who wants to take this on? | 14:15 |
| * mfedosin hides | 14:15 | |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: I won't let you >.> | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | you have too many things on your plate | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | no one? | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | ping? :D | 14:15 |
| nikhil | I want to do it | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | Cyril's here? | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: w000h000 | 14:15 |
| nikhil | but don't think people will like my dir in first place | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: he's not here, I could ping him | 14:15 |
| Steap | mfedosin: yeah | 14:16 |
| Steap | not the right nick though | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | oh, he is | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: it was fast | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: why's that? | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | Steap: interested in taking the compatibility layer on? | 14:16 |
| nikhil | flaper87: I would like to know the details on putting the decision to add compat layer to client | 14:16 |
| kairat | ++ to nikhil | 14:16 |
| Steap | Wasn't there a feature freeze that blocked us on this ? | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | Steap: writing the spec, actually | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | Steap: it's newton work | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | we need to write the spec | 14:17 |
| nikhil | is this going in Nova or Glance? | 14:17 |
| nikhil | seems like we need at both places | 14:17 |
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| Steap | or glanceclient ? | 14:17 |
| Steap | nikhil: why would we have the compatibility layer in both places ? | 14:17 |
| nikhil | it's common for client | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: not really. On reason I'm asking for a spec is to also formalize this discussion | 14:17 |
| nikhil | Steap: I meant a spec in both places | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | There have been several discussions about this | 14:18 |
| Steap | nikhil: oh right | 14:18 |
| nikhil | flaper87: gotcha | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | especially on IRC | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | but nothing is in a place we can reference | 14:18 |
| nikhil | oh | 14:18 |
| Steap | nikhil: a "define the layer" spec in glanceclient and a "use the layer" in Nova ? :p | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | so, this would be a good way to do that | 14:18 |
| nikhil | dates would work! :) | 14:18 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: ah kk | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | I'm on the side that thinks this should go into glanceclient | 14:18 |
| Steap | makes sense to me | 14:18 |
| nikhil | Steap: I think nova is worried about long term eval of this | 14:18 |
| nikhil | and for client it's mostly about how to structure the code | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | and nova shouldn't have any knowledge of this (a.k.a nova.images.glance shouldn't exist) | 14:19 |
| Steap | nikhil: what do you mean ? | 14:19 |
| nikhil | it will be impact on developers | 14:19 |
| Steap | flaper87: yeah | 14:19 |
| Steap | flaper87: it should be abstracted in glanceclient | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | Steap: yup, that's what we need to work on in glanceclient | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | ok, let's move on | 14:19 |
| nikhil | I am skeptical to put this in client tbh (but will have to read the logs) | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | WE can discuss this further in -glance | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: I wish I remembered when this was discussed, really. :( | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | I remember some in-person discussions | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | np | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | And also over the reviews of mike's work | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | and IRC with other nova folks | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | We need to formalize this discussion | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | hence the request for a spec | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | #topic Cross prj updates | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 14:21 |
| nikhil | Just a small update | 14:21 |
| nikhil | The Cross prj initiative on quotas has started getting momentum | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | watch out! | 14:22 |
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| nikhil | initial spec | 14:22 |
| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284454/ | 14:22 |
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| nikhil | and a weekly meeting | 14:22 |
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| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284478/ | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | that's good news | 14:22 |
| nikhil | I will announce to ML in a few | 14:22 |
| nikhil | Nothing to discuss on the spec itself yet | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | nice, glad to see this moving forward | 14:23 |
| nikhil | if there is interest, I can make it a point to buzz you prior to mtg :) | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | it's been a long standing open task for several projects | 14:23 |
| nikhil | (done) | 14:23 |
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| nikhil | agreed | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | I'm interested but I don't think I've the bandwidth to follow that mtg too :( | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | plus, you'll update us anyway | 14:24 |
| * flaper87 ducks | 14:24 | |
| * flaper87 ducks two times | 14:24 | |
| flaper87 | ok moving on | 14:24 |
| nikhil | heh | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | #topic Design Summit sessions allocation | 14:24 |
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| flaper87 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087433.html | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | Sent that email... yday I htink | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | think, even | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | pls, if you have an opinion, do chime in | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: proposed we increase the number of workrooms to 6 | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | we had 5 in tokyo | 14:25 |
| nikhil | I did | 14:25 |
| nikhil | What are the tentative FB sessions for us? | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | OTOH, I guess it'd be something like Import Refactor, Quotas and something else (perhaps the compat layer so we can invite osclient folks ) | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | but again, nothing has been discussed yet on this | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | Maybe Glare will require 2 :) | 14:26 |
| nikhil | hmm | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | I'd love to talk more with ppl that are going to run for the PTL position | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | it's better to plan that way | 14:27 |
| nikhil | I think we will need 1/2 Workroom session for tasks (tbh) | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: I think Glare can use a workroom session | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | In tokyo, we made a very good use of the meetup time | 14:27 |
| nikhil | flaper87: he meant 2 W for Glare (I think) | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | we split the time and the team | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | mfedosin: oh, ok. weeeeeeell, I guess we could use 1 and some meetup time | 14:28 |
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| flaper87 | It's quite blury still. I'll start putting more serious thoughts on this and come up with a plan for next week | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | Since next week is FF anyway | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | I wanted to have a session about Glare architecture and another one with murano, app-catalog and heat | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | That said, I want us to be very very careful with requesting more time as there are more projects this time around | 14:28 |
| nikhil | oh then , prolly 1 FB and 1 W | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | so, just trying to be a good citizen | 14:29 |
| nikhil | yes, makes sense | 14:29 |
| nikhil | I was trying to be cautious that we didn't miss on imp topics | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: in tokyo we shared the meetup time with app-catalog too | 14:29 |
| nikhil | we are making some changes to glance and they are big ones! | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | it was on Friday | 14:29 |
| nikhil | for example a lot of folks ask me about tasks | 14:29 |
| nikhil | and image sharing | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | Also, considering the size of the glance team, there's so much we can plan for Newton, which means limiting the number of session might end up being good | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: nikhil: is friday set aside for working meetings like in tokyo? | 14:30 |
| nikhil | I think the contri meetup is on friday | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | That said, we should also use the time at the summit to discuss things that *must* be discussed face to face | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: yes | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: we have a full day | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | just like in tokyo | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | ok, everyone please make travel plans so that you can spend a full day | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | ah yeah, that too | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | do not live on friday at 8am | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | we got a lot done in tokyo (though you wouldn't know it from the import refactor) | 14:31 |
| nikhil | leave* | 14:31 |
| nikhil | but surely live :D | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | lol, leave* | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: thanks :D | 14:31 |
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| nikhil | ;) | 14:31 |
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| flaper87 | my brain is full of Freudian slips | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I agree | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | I found the meetup in Tokyo to be super super helpful | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | put some thoughts | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | I'll start an etherpad and send an email so we can start collecting topics | 14:32 |
| nikhil | I think the next week in Austin is some sort of festival | 14:32 |
| nikhil | so that might be worth considering as well | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | The week after the summit? | 14:32 |
| nikhil | I think so | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | nnnnnice, good thing I'm booked for like a gazillion of days there | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | hahahaha | 14:33 |
| * nikhil double checking (remembers vaguely) | 14:33 | |
| flaper87 | anyway, moving on | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | #topic Non client libraries freeze | 14:33 |
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| flaper87 | Unfortunately, I think I forgot to mention this last week but this week is the non client libraries freeze | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | This means that this week libraries like glance_store can be released for the last time during the Mitaka timeframe | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251851/ | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | Some patches landed yday | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | so kairat work with Swift driver moved to Newton | 14:34 |
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| mfedosin | it's sad | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | but there are 2 big ones for the "trusts" work that still can make it | 14:34 |
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| flaper87 | mfedosin: check the link >.> | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: ah | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | We have until tomorrow to release it | 14:35 |
| nikhil | oh sorry, I was too tired last night to review that one | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | I never do releases on friday but I'm happy to stay "on call" during the weekend in case things go south | 14:35 |
| nikhil | flaper87: is that still on? | 14:35 |
| nikhil | (I'll be online during the weekend too) | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | not sure if sabari is around but there was also the vmware on python-requests one | 14:35 |
| kairat | i got some comments from mclaren, but nothing more then. | 14:35 |
| kairat | so it would be perfect to have some comments tomorrow | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | kairat: it's a big one :) | 14:36 |
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| kairat | I am personally will try to review all patches for glance_store tomorrow | 14:36 |
| mfedosin | actually big two | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | I'll review them with my limited knowledge of how the swift store works | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: right | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | it's always a problem with big patches | 14:36 |
| mfedosin | here's the second part https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251850/11 | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | no promises made, it's possible they won't make it | 14:36 |
| nikhil | can we have a list of the ones we are targeting ? | 14:37 |
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| flaper87 | mfedosin: I posted the top most one | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: I think just that one, TBH | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | I don't think we've bandwidth for anything else today/tomorrow | 14:37 |
| nikhil | great | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | #topic Preparing for Feature Freeze | 14:38 |
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| flaper87 | Now, next week is FF | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | yup, it's that time of the cycle again | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | crazy, isn't it? | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | Anyway | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | we don't have that many pending features in glance | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | filters | 14:39 |
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| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248359/ | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: I said "that many" | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | there are 6 filters :) | 14:39 |
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| flaper87 | hahahha | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | jokes apart | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | yeha, filters is perhaps the biggest one we have now | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | so, I wanted to propose having a review sprint on Monday (as early in the week as possible) | 14:40 |
| kairat | ++ to review day | 14:40 |
| mfedosin | filters review day :))) | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | In addition to that day, I was thinking we should have reviews days every week until the end of the cycle | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | but I'll let that for open discussion | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:41 |
| kairat | I would love it personally | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | All that said, I'm hoping to cut M-3 on Wednesday so, let's target that as a deadline | 14:41 |
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| flaper87 | It'd be awesome to be able to do it on Tuesday but that might be too tight | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | Questions ? | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | otherwise we can move on | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | #topic Spec lite proposal | 14:43 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282517/ | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: wrote this | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:43 |
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| flaper87 | The proposal is quite small | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | and easy to review and adopt | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | LEt's drop comments there | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | if there are no complaints, I'll proceed with approving it | 14:44 |
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| flaper87 | ok, unless there are comments, I think we can go into Open Discussion | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | or as I prefer to call it: "Go nuts section" | 14:45 |
| mclaren | do we say why we're changing the spec lite process? | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: I think it's in the commit message | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | if it's not, we can then put it there | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | unless I misunderstood your question and you're actually asking why we're changing it | 14:46 |
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| flaper87 | mclaren: ^ | 14:47 |
| bunting | I'm intrested why | 14:47 |
| mclaren | I don't see anything in the commit message. It adds overhead, so explaining the advantages would be useful | 14:47 |
| kairat | Perhaps it is worth mention in spec itself | 14:48 |
| kairat | to explain future supporters why it was chosen | 14:48 |
| kairat | and not to spent their time | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | The TL;DR is: Using bugs doesn't seemed to work. Triaging them was sometihng we did in the drivers meeting which we don't have anymore. Using specs encourages a more distributed review process across core reviewers | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | but yeah, I think we should have this in the spec | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | let's just slap that into the commit message | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | erm, commit message | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | I don't think we need to put this in the contributions guidelines | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | +1 to keep out of guidelines | 14:49 |
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| flaper87 | I'll ping jokke_ and ask him to write this down | 14:50 |
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| jokke_ | also ... moving it to the glance-specs repo, we get all our specs listed in the same website | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | maybe not using his words because we know what that commit message will look like | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: oh, HAI! | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:50 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: ah listing, that was the other one. That one is actually super useful | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | ok, 10mins left | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | so one does not need to go hunting closed bugs and merged specs to figure out what new functionality has gone in | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:51 |
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| mfedosin | what about deprecating use_user_token? | 14:51 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237742/ | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | So, I mentioned that I'd like to have 1 review day per week until the end of the cycle | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | I obviously don't expect everyone to sign up for this | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | but it'd be cool to establish a day for this. | 14:52 |
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| flaper87 | The upcoming weeks will require bug fixing and reviews like crazy | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i guess monday is as good as any | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | ops | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:53 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: that's a breaking change afaict | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | on another note, a CVE fix broke something on how locations work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280789/ | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | we need to help reviewing that fix | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ^ | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I'm aware of that :( | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: :( | 14:54 |
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| kairat | do we have trusts now to avoid using that option? | 14:54 |
| kairat | mfedosin, ^ | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | yes | 14:54 |
| kairat | Ok, good | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | this option was introduced to work with registry | 14:54 |
| nikhil | kairat: I think in some deployments may not be able to use trusts | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | when token expires | 14:54 |
| nikhil | correct | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | but it doesn't work | 14:55 |
| nikhil | so there's a dependency here | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | if you disable it, you cloud will die | 14:55 |
| kairat | Also v2 is deprecated already | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | because every person will behave as an admin | 14:55 |
| nikhil | it works for when the operation is concise (like trusts) performed using nova | 14:55 |
| kairat | we need to consider that during Newton | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | please read | 14:56 |
| mfedosin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OSSN/OSSN-0060 | 14:56 |
| nikhil | for long running operations if the token is invalid and then this will allow the image to go to active (given you have the right setup) | 14:56 |
| nikhil | but there's no getting rid of it yet so those who are using it will keep using it | 14:57 |
| nikhil | is the intention to remote it in Mitaka like the OSSN says? | 14:57 |
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| nikhil | and that's what I am aiming to talk about | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | no | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | sorry to interrupt, but looks like we are running out of time ... please open your browsers to: | 14:58 |
| nikhil | if we remove it then we need to send proper communication that people need to adopt trusts | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | we will remove it in Newton | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087519.html | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | it will take you 3 minutes to read, there's a link to an etherpad with more stuff if you want to dig, but it would be good to have a consensus on what the recommended behavior should be, since it's different in v1 and v2 | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | in Mitaka we deprecate it | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | I need to take a better look at mfedosin's patch | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:58 |
| nikhil | I remember that bug (btw) | 14:59 |
| nikhil | and I think hemanthm agreed with the deprecation | 14:59 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita: yeahm thanks. we need to remember about it in compat layer | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | ok, that's it | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | thank you all! | 14:59 |
| nikhil | I am just not sure the wider impact on this so removing in newton might be okay, let's start the broadcast on the deprecation this release | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | tty next week | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | and REVIEW ALL THE PATCHES | 15:00 |
| nikhil | ok, thanks | 15:00 |
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| flaper87 | PRETTY PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! | 15:00 |
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| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| kairat | heh | 15:00 |
| kairat | thanks | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 15:00:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-02-25-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-02-25-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-02-25-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 15:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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| RickA-HP | o/ | 15:01 |
| yingjun | hi | 15:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
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| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | hey | 15:01 |
| TravT | how is everybody this fine day? | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | brb ... too much coffee during glance meeting | 15:02 |
| TravT | and that answers that... :-P | 15:02 |
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| TravT | ok, agenda here | 15:02 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
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| TravT | #topic Client Release | 15:03 |
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| TravT | Final release for client libraries: Mar 2 (we will tag no later than March 1 - next Tuesday) | 15:03 |
| TravT | There are a couple of minor reviews out. | 15:03 |
| TravT | please take a look | 15:03 |
| TravT | I've also been wondering if we needed any additional doc for it. | 15:03 |
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| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-searchlightclient+status:open | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | usage type docs? | 15:04 |
| TravT | yeah | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | i can take a look at what other clients do (and where to put it) | 15:04 |
| TravT | steve martinelli put in a request for us to do a few extra things on a patch review i put up awhile back | 15:05 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270984/ | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | ah, ok. i can take a look today | 15:05 |
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| TravT | cool | 15:06 |
| TravT | looks like might need to modify the patch i already put up. if so, just go ahead and amend | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | will do | 15:07 |
| TravT | awesome. | 15:07 |
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| TravT | i'll look to tag on Tuesday, if not Monday | 15:07 |
| TravT | 0.2 | 15:07 |
| TravT | #topic Searchlight Panel status | 15:07 |
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| TravT | we presented searchlight concepts with some cool additions on Tuesday at the horizon mid cycle | 15:08 |
| TravT | went over very well. | 15:08 |
| TravT | we've landed a couple changes already this week that better enable it. | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | excellent | 15:08 |
| TravT | still have a few dependency patches to go | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | you’re good at cracking the whip in person! :) | 15:09 |
| TravT | :) | 15:09 |
| RickA-HP | TravT: Are there any blockers to completing this work? | 15:09 |
| TravT | yesterday and today are basically review-a-thons | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, the midcycles are good for geting crazy amounts of reviews in | 15:09 |
| TravT | searchlight enablement is on the list of things (among many) that are on the review priority list. | 15:10 |
| TravT | getting the panel itself in will take a FFE on horizon. | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | it’s almost better at the end of a cycle; gives some time to avoid the backlog of reviews piling up before release | 15:10 |
| TravT | i hadn't formally requested that yet | 15:10 |
| TravT | but will probably do that today | 15:10 |
| TravT | i have not created the repo (in case it doesn't go in) | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | we can do that quickly if need be | 15:11 |
| TravT | just been too busy. | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | or i can do it | 15:11 |
| TravT | yeah, i think we'll know by tomorrow | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | i feel like a secretary | 15:11 |
| TravT | i'd rather think of you as superman | 15:11 |
| TravT | :) | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | he was a faster typist than me | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | ok, so hold off til the end of the horizon midcycle on that? | 15:12 |
| TravT | yeah, can let you know tomorrow morning. | 15:12 |
| TravT | there is a swift panel rewrite that will be a heavy focus today. | 15:12 |
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| TravT | i integrated in the latest swift patches and tested with UI | 15:12 |
| TravT | it works, but has caused me to see some shortcomings with navigation | 15:13 |
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| TravT | but in talking with r1chardj0n3s who is writing it, he definitely wants to add to his dedicated swift panel the ability to do searches with searchlight | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | as you know i’ve been talking to the swift team about this too | 15:14 |
| TravT | but that would be newton to integrate that | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | they seem more open to discussing adding notifications to swift core than was the case in tokyo | 15:14 |
| TravT | yes, i mentioned this to him and he said he has a swift core he works with. he said he'd mention it to him as well. | 15:15 |
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| TravT | i'll try to talk to him more about that | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i’ve spoken to HP’s team so they keep an ear open at the swift meetup next week | 15:15 |
| TravT | cool | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | on the plus side, the patch i have does seem to work | 15:15 |
| TravT | lakshmiS: your patch doesn't seem to actually even try to listen to the notification steve's patch generates | 15:16 |
| TravT | right? | 15:16 |
| TravT | or did i miss something? | 15:16 |
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| lakshmiS | yeah its not linked yet. will update the patch today | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | ok. let me know if i need to tweak anything with it, it’s not set in stone | 15:16 |
| TravT | ok | 15:18 |
| TravT | that's all i have for search panel. the mid cycle has been very productive. great group of people at it. | 15:18 |
| TravT | #topic REVIEWS!!!! | 15:19 |
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| sjmc7 | haha | 15:19 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255E.*searchlight.*+status:open,n,z | 15:19 |
| TravT | Let's just pound these out | 15:19 |
| TravT | there are some small easies ones | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | ok, which to start wiht? | 15:19 |
| RickA-HP | I'm rebasing the Zero Downtime patch and will update it today. | 15:19 |
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| TravT | This is priority order I propose | 15:20 |
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| TravT | Can we do a virtual (using hangouts possibly review hackathon on 3/1/2016 - http://everytimezone.com/#2016-3-1,180,cn3) | 15:20 |
| TravT | Remove extra infomation from ID field | 15:20 |
| TravT | Fix role based indexing for designate | 15:20 |
| TravT | Zero Downtime Re-indexing changes. | 15:20 |
| TravT | Per resource policy control | 15:20 |
| TravT | Neutron | 15:20 |
| TravT | Cinder | 15:20 |
| TravT | Swift | 15:20 |
| TravT | Zaqar notification forwarding | 15:20 |
| TravT | First one just because it is small | 15:20 |
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| TravT | get it out of the way | 15:21 |
| TravT | but let's tackle some now | 15:21 |
| TravT | and i propose at review-a-thon next Tuesday at the time I listed | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | yep, i can do that | 15:22 |
| RickA-HP | The review-a-thon works for me. | 15:22 |
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| rosmaita | i can attend review-a-thon, but probably only intermittently | 15:23 |
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| TravT | ok, i can do hour later too | 15:24 |
| TravT | anyway, i guess just start looking over reviews above and we can chat as needed | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | yingjun: you’re right, my suggestion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283424 was terrible :) | 15:26 |
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| yingjun | so i take your second suggestion, ensure _source[‘id’] always there | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | yep - given that it should always now be there, could line 117 be shortened? | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | i guess it’s a little safer that way if there is no id defined | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | either way - this looks good to me, will test it again quickly | 15:28 |
| yingjun | it could be | 15:29 |
| yingjun | yeah | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | not really a big deal | 15:29 |
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| sjmc7 | this works fine; i’m happy to +2 it as it is | 15:31 |
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| yingjun | ok, thanks | 15:31 |
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| TravT | i looked at the code this morning as well. | 15:32 |
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| TravT | was waiting for your input steve | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | i’m honoured | 15:33 |
| TravT | since you had the concerns. | 15:33 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, i’m fine with it - it’s the same approach you’re using in the UI? | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | i think we can make it part of the contract that there’s always an “id” field | 15:34 |
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| TravT | well, ui falls back to using the _id | 15:34 |
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| TravT | but prefers source.id | 15:34 |
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| TravT | the table row generation needs a unique identifier | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | would you be happier doing that in the CLI too? | 15:34 |
| TravT | i don't know if CLI needs it for same reason UI needs something | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | right now it would make no difference; everything has an id. conceivably we might have something in the future that doesn’t | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | no, it’s just for display | 15:35 |
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| TravT | yeah, see in angular when you ng-repeat, if you have a unique identifier that you can track by, it improves performance when updating search results | 15:36 |
| TravT | so, i have to have something in the id field that is unique | 15:36 |
| TravT | or else it will just break and leave you angry and depressed. | 15:36 |
| TravT | :) | 15:36 |
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| sjmc7 | :) i think if we can say there will always be a source[“id”] then the cli patch is good | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | otherwise maybe we need the fallback logic | 15:38 |
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| TravT | if it makes sense to add in a safeguard, then we could | 15:38 |
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| TravT | #chair sjmc7 | 15:40 |
| openstack | Current chairs: TravT sjmc7 | 15:40 |
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| TravT | sjmc7 i have to leave in a couple minutes | 15:40 |
| TravT | i'm the carpool driver to the horizon meeting | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | i’m drunk with power | 15:41 |
| TravT | use it wisely | 15:41 |
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| rosmaita | just don't be drunk with driving | 15:42 |
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| sjmc7 | ok. we’ve got 20 minutes of everyone in the same place, so if anyone has questions about any of those reviews this is a great time to ask | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | rosmaita: i work from home, i don’t leave the house monday to friday, so no chance of that | 15:42 |
| rosmaita | did you ever see the move "Raw Deal"? "You should not drink and bake!" | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | hahaha | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | no, that cultural touchstone passed me by | 15:44 |
| rosmaita | you need to see it, arnold's best movie, lots of casablanca references | 15:44 |
| rosmaita | plus, they never explain why this small-town sheriff has an outrageous austrian accent | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | i don’t know how i missed it | 15:45 |
| rosmaita | ok, so at least i did a movie review | 15:46 |
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| TravT | thx guys, i'm out of here. thanks a ton for any reviews you can do! | 15:49 |
| rosmaita | TravT: enjoy the midcycle | 15:50 |
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| rosmaita | and drive carefully | 15:50 |
| TravT | thx | 15:50 |
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| sjmc7 | ok, if nobody’s got anything else they want to discuss i guess we can end here | 15:52 |
| rosmaita | ok, see you tuesday, i guess | 15:53 |
| RickA-HP | I have nothing else. | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | aye. we’ll be in #openstack-searchlight if there’s anything else | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | thanks all! | 15:53 |
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| sjmc7 | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 15:54:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-02-25-15.01.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-02-25-15.01.txt | 15:54 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 16:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda and roll-call | 16:00 |
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| automagically | o/ | 16:00 |
| spotz | \o/ | 16:00 |
| izaakk | o/ | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:02 |
| KLevenstein | o/ | 16:02 |
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| mattt | \o | 16:02 |
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| prometheanfire | hi | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | Hi everyone, welcome back after the week of absence due to the mid cycles. | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | There were no action items in our last meeting. | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Define core team expectations/Add non-Rackspace cores | 16:05 |
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| * odyssey4me hands the mic to automagically :) | 16:05 | |
| automagically | odyssey4me: Thanks! I added an agenda item about core expectations and the addition of non-Rackspace cores as I and others outside of Rackspace have a growing dependency on the fine work that you Rackers and the rest of the community have done here | 16:06 |
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| automagically | So, wanted to raise the issue of documenting expectations for core contributors and assess the groups thinking on recruiting/adding Rackspace-external cores | 16:07 |
| automagically | Action items would be: wiki doc explaining core responsibilities and process for gaining/losing core status | 16:07 |
| automagically | Thoughts? | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | I like the idea of documenting expectations for cores and reviewers overall. I've also been wanting to document expectations of the PTL. We can perhaps also document what the launchpad drivers group should be doing. | 16:07 |
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| hughsaunders | o/ | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | I'd prefer it not to be wiki doc - I'd rather see it join the contributor guidelines in the docs. | 16:08 |
| palendae | automagically: I am all for people outside of Rackspace becoming core, but I do think you're right that the expectations need to be written down | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | I'd like the wiki to largely be a place that points at the docs we have. | 16:08 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: Location matters much less to me than getting it agreed upon and written down | 16:08 |
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| spotz | There's definitely groups out there who have documented out their criteria already that could be adapted or used for a start | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | I've also been wanting to suggest two new cores to the team. I have discussed them with the existing core members and there is a general agreement of approval. | 16:09 |
| automagically | Any ideas about how to best recruit/retain/attract cores from outside Rackspace? | 16:09 |
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| automagically | I’m thinking the Austin event could be a good time/place to recruit | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | Are we happy to discuss that now quickly, or would it be preferred that it's done through the ML (as is traditional). | 16:10 |
| automagically | spotz: Agreed | 16:10 |
| automagically | Believe you and I discussed https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/CoreTeam as a useful example | 16:10 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: I'd caution that the cores probably want to discuss before nominating someone on the public ML who might not get approved | 16:10 |
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| mattt | my personal opinion is that this project needs to be a bit more flexible and fluid when it comes to cores | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | in terms of recruiting cores - all cores need to start by being involved in the community first - we recruit new contributors at any events we are involved at | 16:11 |
| palendae | That's caused embarassment and hard feelings in the past | 16:11 |
| mattt | i don't think we're in a position to start setting down hard requirements | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | I'd be happy to have a session to discuss how better to grow our community at the summit | 16:11 |
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| odyssey4me | I'd like this to be a group effort | 16:11 |
| palendae | mattt: I don't think there should be hard requirements, but definitely a target for people who want to be core | 16:11 |
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| automagically | palendae: +1 | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, not hard requirements - just expectation setting | 16:12 |
| palendae | mattt: to help answer, "What should I do to get that status?" Be active in reviews, contribute code, etc | 16:12 |
| hughsaunders | +1 for more cores, regardless of employer, we should also be working towards the diverse-affiliation tag | 16:12 |
| mattt | palendae: i think you summarised it very well right there :) | 16:12 |
| automagically | hughsaunders: How would we do so? | 16:12 |
| spotz | +1 palendae and hughsaunders | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | being core is not a status - it is a responsibility and a role of service to the community | 16:12 |
| automagically | re: diverse-affiliation | 16:12 |
| palendae | odyssey4me's point is accurate | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | hughsaunders +1 | 16:12 |
| palendae | There is a bit more demand for a core reviewer | 16:13 |
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| hughsaunders | automagically: https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/team_diverse-affiliation.rst | 16:13 |
| automagically | thx | 16:13 |
| automagically | Ah, so that was very much my goal in raising this agenda topic | 16:13 |
| automagically | Nice to see it formalized in the manner within the broader community | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | hughsaunders automagically or better: https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/index.html | 16:14 |
| automagically | So #agreed that core contributor expectations be added to the project doc | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | +1 | 16:15 |
| mattt | can we move forward with bringing people on as cores or do we need further discussions, documentation, etc. in place first? | 16:15 |
| mattt | i'd really love to see us adding cores sooner rather than later | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | can someone do some research into prior art and propose something for review - then we can adjust to suit us? | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | mattt: +1 | 16:16 |
| automagically | #action - update contributor guidelines to describe core responsibilities/expectations and membership process | 16:16 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/CoreTeam#Membership_Expectations | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | automagically you need to have the first word be the person assigned to do so :) | 16:16 |
| automagically | mattt: My belief is that it may be hard to accept a nomination without a good understanding of the level of responsibility | 16:17 |
| spotz | odyssey4me I think that link to Heat's the automagically posted is pretty good. I can look for the Doc team's | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/core-reviewers.html | 16:17 |
| mattt | automagically: but i'm also not sure all our cores at the moment would meet any sort of level ... which is why i say we have to be more fluid | 16:17 |
| mattt | and as the project grows and our cores become more diverse we put down a proper framework for what this involves | 16:17 |
| automagically | mattt: I’m good with the expectations being lax given the reality of current cores | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, no worries - let's deal with the details in review | 16:18 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: Thx for the tip. So, who wants to own the action item on doc. spotz? you? | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | automagically can you put a suggested page together? | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | otherwise spotz :) | 16:18 |
| automagically | automagically #action automagically will submit patchset for review documenting core expectations | 16:18 |
| automagically | Whoops, thats a lot of automagicallys ;) | 16:19 |
| spotz | automagically poke if you need help | 16:19 |
| hughsaunders | such magic so auto | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | alright, let's move on from that | 16:19 |
| automagically | Happy to pass the mic, think the conversation went in a very useful direction | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | #topic New core proposals | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | I'd like to propose both jmccrory and automagically as new cores for OSA. | 16:19 |
| hughsaunders | I'd contest that this topic is the same as the last one. | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | They've both been regular committers, reviewers and been very helpful in identifying and fixing issues. | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | jmccrory: +1 | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | automagically: +1 | 16:20 |
| andymccr | +1 on both | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | I think they'd both make fine additions to the core team. | 16:21 |
| spotz | hughsaunders last one was proceedure/policy this one is voting | 16:21 |
| palendae | Not sure if only cores get a vote, but no objections to either | 16:22 |
| hughsaunders | +1 +1 | 16:22 |
| mattt | i'm +1 on both also | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | d34dh0r53 and stevelle aren't active/present, but that's a majority | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | so, welcome to both of you to the core team - I'll do the formalities afterwards? | 16:24 |
| * automagically whoot | 16:24 | |
| jmccrory | thanks | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Pinning pip and related dependencies | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-pip-conundrum | 16:25 |
| * cloudnull high fives jmccrory and automagically | 16:25 | |
| spotz | grats guys | 16:26 |
| mattt | jmccrory automagically welcome ! | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | OK, down to the business of improving repeatability. | 16:26 |
| automagically | Looking forward to continuing to contribute to such a great project | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | in recent days we hit two issues which uncovered a failing in our build methods | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | the genral idea we aim for is to ensure that whenever you build a tag, the result is the same | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | today we are failing in terms of the repo server build and everything related to python bits before that | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | in the solution options I've outlined some suggestion -but I'd like more discussion and ideas | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | questions, comments, etc | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | please add to the etherpad | 16:28 |
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| automagically | The first solution in pip_install role seems like the cleanest | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | it covers pip, wheels and setuptools - but it's a hard set. I'd like a neater way to do this. | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | the first is probably something we need as a stop-gap, the second seems like a better long term view | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | something that requires as little maintenance as possible is essential | 16:30 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: +1 on the low maintenance aspect | 16:30 |
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| cloudnull | cant we add this to the global-requirements.txt files in the main repo for the three branches | 16:30 |
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| automagically | The second solution begs the question of how a user/deployer might override if needed | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | then we dont have to mess with the package versions at the role level | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull the repo server install doesn't use any of the requirements set out anywhere | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | it only uses the bits in its own pip_packages list | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | we could change that | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | right. but if we set it in the global requirements pins it would get picked up everywhere as it pertains to an OSA isntall. | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | but maintaining requirements for the repo server which conflict with openstack requirements is also not ideal | 16:32 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull so the pinning is not actually an issue for any of the packages once the repo is built | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | the issue is in building the repo server itself | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | seems like the simiplest solution would be to add the lines here https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/global-requirement-pins.txt | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | it does not use global requirements, upper constraints, or anything like that | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | it does | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull how so? | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | the lookup plugin py_pkgs indexes everything which instructrs the repo | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | that is in building the repo, not installing the repo server | 16:34 |
| mattt | cloudnull: installing packages in the repo_server prior to building stuff | 16:34 |
| mattt | ie. to be able to build wheels you need wheel installed | 16:34 |
| jmccrory | these https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_server/blob/master/defaults/main.yml#L83-L92 ? | 16:34 |
| mattt | all those packages at the minute are unconstrained | 16:34 |
| hughsaunders | jmccrory: yes | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | ah i see now. | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | so my suggestion is to do an upper constraints style thing | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | we take the output of a successful build, and publish it on openstack infrastructure | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | the repo install then needs to use that as an upper constraint | 16:36 |
| logan- | i would much rather see it included in the osa repo than published elsewhere and pulled down. easier for operators to override and also makes life easier for operators doing offline deployments. | 16:37 |
| automagically | logan-: +1 | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | logan-: +1 | 16:37 |
| * cloudnull was just writing that | 16:37 | |
| automagically | I think we definitely need a solution that allows override capabilities similar to what we have elsewhere | 16:37 |
| automagically | That said, I like the general approach of the upper bound constraints | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | then we have to regularly patch it to keep it fresh | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | I think thats just something we have to do . | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | my method can easily allow it to be optional -as was noted in the etherpad | 16:38 |
| automagically | WIth the force var? | 16:38 |
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| mattt | so is this effort better than just pinning a couple of packages in teh repo server role? | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | I'd rather stay away from implementing caps - especially ones that duplicate those in openstack. | 16:38 |
| mattt | will it really result in playing whack-a-mole | 16:39 |
| automagically | Thinking through this a bit, as a deployer how would I test a new set of constraints | 16:39 |
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| automagically | Just override the requirements file location var? | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | simple - set the var that ignores the upstream constraints | 16:39 |
| automagically | Right, but I’m talking about testing a new set of constraints | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | and the location would be a var too, so you could set differing constraints | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | mattt the trouble with pinning that package list is that it misses pinning the deps of those packages - that is what creates the whack-a-mole situation | 16:40 |
| automagically | Could we use a lookup with the requirements url, so if I didn’t want to publish my new set of requirements, I can just override the var with a list? | 16:40 |
| mattt | odyssey4me: in the last 2 days the issues have been with those packages specifically tho | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | I think we could add the same constraints in the repo server role as whats in the pip install role and be good. | 16:41 |
| automagically | ^ thinking out loud obviously there | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | I would rather we use our final complete pip repo version list as an upper constraint - it contains absolutely everything we use | 16:41 |
| mattt | we need to be careful of over-engineering this | 16:41 |
| mattt | because we've hit 2 problems in 2 days | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull whack-a-mole again then for the next time we find a gap like this | 16:41 |
| mattt | i don't recall this biting us until then | 16:41 |
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| cloudnull | I'd like to get the requirement / constraint files published too but idk tat it needs to be an integral part of the build process | 16:41 |
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| cloudnull | and if we pin them in the pip install role then the items here should already be resolved https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_server/blob/master/defaults/main.yml#L83-L92 IE wheel, setuptools. | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | we've had a lot of feedback from the infra and pypa crew that pinning these packages is not a good idea. | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | but we also need to ensure that we build the same thing every time and can rely on things to work | 16:43 |
| mattt | but you're pinning them using a constraints file right | 16:43 |
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| mattt | i don't see the difference | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | which is why I like the idea of updating requirements after successful builds | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | or perhaps doing a nightly that updates the thing | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | mattt the difference is that one gets updated manually by a review - the other is updated dynamically and automatically | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | as long as we're locking pip to a specific version i think we have to pin the packages and doing it in the pip install role makes the most sense | 16:44 |
| mattt | well | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | ok, if that's the way we think is best - that's fine | 16:45 |
| mattt | is there value outside of this specific problem to have our packages captured somewhere outside the env ? | 16:45 |
| mattt | if there is we should do this and we can use it when we install teh repo server | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | bear in mind that we then end up doing things differently from upstream | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | openstack tests all use the latest pip and the upper constraints for the rest | 16:45 |
| palendae | Are they using pip8 now? | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | palendae yes | 16:46 |
| mattt | yeah we're already doing something different now then | 16:46 |
| palendae | They must cause it breaks every time a new pip comes out | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | for stable/kilo and above | 16:46 |
| palendae | Yeah, makes sense | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | yes - which is why sigmavirus24 has already adviced us not to do what we're doing | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | looking at the global requirements the only named constraint they have is wheel | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | as have the infra crew | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/upper-constraints.txt | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/upper-constraints.txt#L376 | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull g-r has pip too | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | which is unpinned | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L139 | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | right | 16:47 |
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| sigmavirus24 | it looks as though we're leaning towards uncapping pip? | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | so i dont see the harm in pinning the other bits so long as we're allowing pip to move forward | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | *we're NOT allowing ... | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 no, the majority at this point want to cap pip, setuptools and wheel | 16:48 |
| hughsaunders | cloudnull: but thats how we ended up with the wheel > pip problem | 16:48 |
| * sigmavirus24 shrugs | 16:48 | |
| sigmavirus24 | Have fun figuring out why things break when those are capped with upstream having them uncapped | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 I would like to uncap these things and use a published upper constraint that's updated by the build process dynamically | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | hughsaunders: idk if this is a problem if we're using the latest pip 8 -- sigmavirus24? | 16:49 |
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| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: if what specifically is a problem? | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | if anything, I'd advocate blacklisting known bad versions | 16:49 |
| mattt | sigmavirus24: well they break when you leave them uncapped also | 16:49 |
| mattt | so what to do | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | (especially since the pip team is responsive to openstack breakage) | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 which is already done upstream | 16:49 |
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| sigmavirus24 | mattt: every version of pip has broken us? | 16:50 |
| mattt | sigmavirus24: no, but setuptools wasn't constrained and that broke a bunch of things yesterday | 16:50 |
| mattt | i don't see the issue if you pin the three in tandem | 16:51 |
| mattt | hand by tandem i mean the latest working version of all three at a point in time | 16:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | mattt: we can constrain the world in conflict with upstream openstack. we could help a resource starved project (setuptools). we could use an upper-constraints-like system as odyssey4me suggested | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | So the issue I have with capping is simple - openstack's testing all uses the current versions. There are no caps. If we do not follow that model, then we assume full responsibility of testing everything that the rest of openstack-ci has tested. | 16:51 |
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| sigmavirus24 | mattt: the thing is that bounding them all in tandem is kind of silly since they're all independent pieces | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | pip needs a modernish version of setuptools which doesn't have to be the latest | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | we need a version of wheel that will generate wheel names that our version of pip can install | 16:52 |
| mattt | right because we pinned pip without doing the same to wheel and setuptools | 16:53 |
| mattt | which is why we hit that issue | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | they're related, absolutely, but not deeply tied together by any stretch of the imagination. Is the problem with setuptools tracked on their issue tracker? Have we tried fixing things? | 16:53 |
| mattt | wheel was updated and wasn't compatible w/ pip | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | sigmavirus24: what would be the best solutuin knowing that we have locked ourselves to pip7.x ? | 16:53 |
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| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 a patch is in progress | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: we can cap the world, but it's a smell given that openstack itself isn't doing this | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | I would advocate for blacklists | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull we should not be locking ourselves to pip 7.x is the point | 16:53 |
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| sigmavirus24 | pip!=8.0.0,!=8.0.1 | 16:53 |
| mattt | so why did we pin pip to begin with and what could we have done to avoid that? | 16:53 |
| mattt | because that decision is the source of this problem here | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: we currently are though . | 16:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | mattt: 8.0.0 broke argparse | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | yes, but it raised a broader problem which is that what we deply today is not what we deploy tomorrow | 16:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | mattt: so the thing is that 8.0.0 wanted to remove support for uninstalling distutils installed packages | 16:54 |
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| odyssey4me | this is why I'd like to implement something to close the gap | 16:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | that broke installing things with pip that might have installations pre-existing based on standard library or system packaging | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | simply blacklisting does not solve that issue | 16:55 |
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| cloudnull | which would have to be an upper cap on setuptools and wheel so long as we have this https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-pip_install/blob/master/defaults/main.yml#L27 | 16:55 |
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| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: the issue of what we deploy today is not what we deploy tomorrow for the same version? | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | publishing the full pip requirements file from our repo per build will result in each tag having that set in stone | 16:55 |
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| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: in that case, why not have vars that are generated when we create a tag that represent the versions of everything when that tag was created | 16:55 |
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| odyssey4me | this is the best way to ensure that each tag deployed will always result in the same thing | 16:56 |
| mattt | odyssey4me: if you want to take that stance it has to be applied right through openstack-ansible, not just when it comes to deploying a specific container | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: capping will? | 16:56 |
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| automagically | sigmavirus24: Hmm, interesting middle ground on the vars generation | 16:56 |
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| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 I'm suggesting something similar to what upper-constraints does for devstack | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: I think we have similar ideas | 16:56 |
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| odyssey4me | if we can automate vars generation on every sha jump, tha'td do fine too | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm saying that we should let the gate do whatever. Only when we tag the release should we update those constraints. | 16:57 |
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| sigmavirus24 | See I also disagree with our sha bumps being a thing on stable branches that happens *after a tag* but that's just me | 16:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | I know I'm the only person who thinks we should trust the small team of dedicated upstream stable maintainers | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | we're almost out of time | 16:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | (This is also why I've kept out of these discussions) | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | so we need to close off and continue in #openstack-ansible | 16:58 |
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| cloudnull | cheers everyone ! | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | Thank you all for your time and participation. | 16:58 |
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| odyssey4me | #endmeeting#endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 16:59:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-02-25-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-02-25-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-02-25-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 17:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
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| LouisF | hi cathy_ | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | hi LouisF | 17:00 |
| fsunaval | hi cathy_ | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | hi fsunaval | 17:01 |
| LouisF | fsunaval: hi | 17:01 |
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| fsunaval | Hi LouisF | 17:01 |
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| vikram_ | hi | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | hi vikram_ johnsom mohankumar_ | 17:02 |
| mohankumar_ | hi | 17:02 |
| johnsom | o/ | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | hi minwang2 | 17:02 |
| minwang2 | hi | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | I have two topics for today. Any topic you would like to discuss today? | 17:03 |
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| pcarver | hi. I'm in simultaneous voice call. | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | hi pcarver raddaoui | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | #topic propose for governance under big tent | 17:05 |
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| mohankumar_ | cathy_ : could you elaborate the topic ? | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | Given recent discussion on the change of Neutron stadium scope, we are thinking about proposing the SFC project under OpenStack Big Tent governance | 17:07 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: means it won't be no longer neutron-official project? | 17:07 |
| johnsom | Almost every project under neutron will no longer be an "neutron-official project". | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar_: Last few weeks, there have been heated discussion on Neutron big stadium projects. Basically all big stadium projects are not out of Neutron governance | 17:08 |
| johnsom | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281628/ | 17:08 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281628/ | 17:08 |
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| cathy_ | johnsom: thanks for posting the links! | 17:09 |
| pcarver | There seems to be a circular line of reasoning that only projects worked on by "the Neutron team" will be part of Neutron, but the definition of "the Neutron team" is "the people who work on projects that are part of Neutron" | 17:10 |
| LouisF | pcarver: +1 | 17:10 |
| vikram_ | ok | 17:10 |
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| vikram_ | I can find Kuryr move to big tent also | 17:11 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280522/ | 17:11 |
| cathy_ | Yes, SFC and L2GW seem to be the last few that people are still debating, but given that Neutron is being stripped to a bare minimum according to the patch, we are thinking about applying for governance under OpenStack big tent. | 17:12 |
| LouisF | the discussion is around the overlap of neutron core members involved in sub-projects | 17:12 |
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| pcarver | So basically the "big tent" still exists but the "Neutron stadium" doesn't | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | Yes, so anyone has objection to applying networking-sfc for governance under OpenStack Big Tent? | 17:13 |
| pcarver | So if SFC isn't a core part of Neutron we should get it categorized as a distinct "big tent" project | 17:13 |
| amotoki | surprisingly enough I am still waking up. kuryr is a bit different situation. it is a consumer of neutron API. | 17:13 |
| pcarver | I suppose that means we need to come up with a cooler name than networking-sfc | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: welcome back! | 17:14 |
| amotoki | hehe | 17:14 |
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| vikram_ | pcarver: +1 | 17:14 |
| pcarver | So everyone start thinking analogies: Cinder is to block as ? is to chain | 17:14 |
| LouisF | dragonflow which is very closely related to neutron is also now in big tent | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: are you OK with applying for big tent? | 17:15 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: Yup.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277153/ | 17:15 |
| amotoki | cathy_: I am not sure on this. | 17:15 |
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| amotoki | kuryr is a consumer of neutorn api and dragonflow is one of back-ends of neutron. | 17:16 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: if not big tent, what other governance given existing Neutron inclusion result | 17:16 |
| amotoki | i haven't followed the dissussion in the reviews of bit-tent inclusion of kuryr and dragonflow. | 17:17 |
| amotoki | cathy_: i understand your concern. | 17:17 |
| amotoki | so I don't have a strong opinion just now... | 17:18 |
| pcarver | amotoki: I strongly feel that SFC (and BGPVPN) should be "part of Neutron" because Neutron should own the vendor/backend independent APIs. But there's a strong sentiment that Neutron should be defined by the list of people who contribute to a certain subset of networking functionality. | 17:18 |
| amotoki | pcarver: yeah, i know it. | 17:18 |
| vikram_ | pcarver: +1 | 17:19 |
| vikram_ | I also have same feeling | 17:19 |
| pcarver | so if the criteria ends up being "who contributes to which repos" then we need to figure out where to place networking-sfc | 17:19 |
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| amotoki | i wonder how much of contributor overlapping and variety are required for neutron inclusion. | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: pcarver for inclusion of Neutron, I would suggest that we take it to the Neutron channel or the Neutron inclusion patch. | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | since whatever we discussed here will be have any effect:-) | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | Now let's come back to the name of the SFC for Big Tent | 17:20 |
| pcarver | cathy_: I agree and have posted my comments to the patches, but it keeps coming round to the point of who the contributors are. | 17:21 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: I know and understand the frustration | 17:21 |
| vikram_ | IMO, it's a weird requirement | 17:21 |
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| pcarver | If the contributors to networking-sfc don't also contribute to the repos that constitute the "in Neutron" repos then networking-sfc isn't an "in Neutron" repo | 17:21 |
| amotoki | i can be involved in the project, but i am not sure how it helps the project. | 17:22 |
| pcarver | of course if the functionality of SFC API were considered a "part of Neutron" then the contributor overlap would be 100% by definition. But it isn't. | 17:22 |
| LouisF | pcarver: also if the neutron cores feel they don't have regular insight into the design and governance of networking-sfc | 17:24 |
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| vikram_ | I have a question .... if we have to follow big tent way then do we need to revisit the proposed CLI? | 17:24 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: you were once very involved in this project:-) Now matter whether it is under Neutron Stadium or OpenStack Big Tent, you are always welcomed to be involved:-) | 17:24 |
| amotoki | IMO contributor overlapping is one of big points, but layer overlapping with neutron is also a big point. | 17:24 |
| pcarver | amotoki: what exactly do you mean by "layer"? | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: no I don't think so. But we are always open to good suggestion | 17:25 |
| pcarver | I do think a high level of modularity should always be an objective regardless of which parts are "in" or "out" | 17:25 |
| amotoki | pcarver: (i haven't got an appropriate word) | 17:25 |
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| s3wong | sorry, very late | 17:26 |
| amotoki | pcarver: kuryr is a consumer of neutorn api and dragonflow can be a backend of neutorn, but networking-sfc is not ..... | 17:26 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: I asked this because all our current cli's starts with neutron * | 17:26 |
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| pcarver | so even if networking-sfc is "in Neutron" I think we're on the right path of plugging in via extension mechanisms that easily allow deployers to add or remove parts | 17:26 |
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| amotoki | we are covering the same layer (API) as neutron covers. | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: there is always space for API enhancement/extension. Actually for second phase feature support, we will extend the API. Good thing is that the API already has place holders for the extensions | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: OK, I see what you mean. But I guess that is OK. Even we need to change, it is not a big deal | 17:27 |
| pcarver | amotoki: I agree on that. I view networking-sfc as extending the functionality of the Neutron API | 17:27 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: ok .. just a query | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: hi | 17:27 |
| amotoki | l2gw, sfc and (possibly bgp stuff) are in the similar situations. | 17:28 |
| vikram_ | pcarver: +1000 | 17:28 |
| s3wong | cathy_: sounds like we are talking about moving out of Neutron to the tent? | 17:28 |
| LouisF | s3wong: yes | 17:28 |
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| pcarver | s3wong: more specifically, I think we're saying that if we're not allowed to stay in the stadium we'll have to move to the tent | 17:29 |
| s3wong | pcarver, LouisF: I see | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | folks, let's come back to the name of project. | 17:29 |
| amotoki | as my hat of an operator i would like to see networking-sfc as a part of neutorn. we don't want to see SFC as a different layer :-( | 17:29 |
| vikram_ | me to | 17:30 |
| LouisF | amotoki: +1 | 17:30 |
| pcarver | My vote is that things that add new networking APIs to Neutron should be part of Neutron, but the discussion is focussing heavily on who the people are who make up the Neutron team | 17:30 |
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| s3wong | I agree with pcarver and amotoki here --- networking-sfc is network plumbing APIs that logically should be part of Neutron | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | As to Neutron inclusion, I suggest that we take it to the Neutron patch and post your comments there. | 17:30 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: do you have the link handy? | 17:30 |
| johnsom | I think any code that is outside of the core neutron repo is going to be out of neutron | 17:31 |
| LouisF | suggest we all post comments on that patch | 17:31 |
| amotoki | discussion here thinks me a lot :-) | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: amotoki could you post your comments in that Neutron inclusion patch? | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: +1 | 17:31 |
| amotoki | cathy_: sure | 17:31 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281628/ | 17:31 |
| s3wong | cathy_: sure | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: what link? | 17:31 |
| vikram_ | johnsom: thanks | 17:32 |
| johnsom | cathy_ Sorry, I have to leave the meeting now, I have a conflict. | 17:32 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: johnsomhas provided ;) | 17:32 |
| cathy_ | johnsom: thanks | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | johnsom: sure. | 17:33 |
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| cathy_ | any good name suggestion for this project? | 17:33 |
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| amotoki | as long as we focus on SFC (service function chaining), networking-sfc sounds good to me. it is clear and describes what we focus on. | 17:34 |
| vikram_ | +1 for SFC | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: sorry I missed that. What is the name? | 17:35 |
| amotoki | isn't it good? | 17:35 |
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| cathy_ | SFC or ServiceFunctionChain? | 17:35 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: I was looking for #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281628/ , johnsom provided | 17:36 |
| pcarver | amotoki: It's too descriptive, unlike most OpenStack project names | 17:36 |
| vikram_ | hmmm | 17:36 |
| Farhad | networking-sfc or networking-neutron-sfc or neutron-sfc to specifically say we are neutron based | 17:36 |
| LouisF | catenate, catena (italian for chain)? | 17:36 |
| amotoki | hmm.. i got your point, but... | 17:36 |
| pcarver | I like that Cinder relates to block and Glance to images, but most distinct OpenStack projects have a name that is not directly descriptive of what they do. | 17:36 |
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| vikram_ | SFC might not convey the idea | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: Actually I think it is good to be descriptive | 17:37 |
| vikram_ | I feel little bit of description would be better | 17:37 |
| amotoki | is there any name which assoicate traffic flows? or water flows :-) | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | Otherwise new people or users will have a hard time searching for info they need | 17:37 |
| vikram_ | amotoki; ;) | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: +1 | 17:38 |
| mohankumar_ | catena ... lgtm ! | 17:38 |
| pcarver | cathy_: I do to, but you have to admit that it's not common for OpenStack project names | 17:38 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: maybe we can give it a descriptive name. If the TC thinks we should have another name, then we can come up with another one | 17:38 |
| -amotoki- time keeping. iirc we have another topic in the agenda | 17:38 | |
| vikram_ | How about "Flow" | 17:39 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: ok, that's fine with me | 17:39 |
| vikram_ | I may sound stupid ;) | 17:39 |
| pcarver | Actually I kind of like Flow | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | Given that SFC is discussed in many forums and seems like a very desired feature, we would like people to know that OpenSTack also has support for SFC | 17:39 |
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| amotoki | we cannot use 'ryu' (which means "water flows" in japanese) :-) | 17:39 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: hehehe | 17:40 |
| amotoki | 'ryu' also means 'dragon' | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: :-) | 17:40 |
| LouisF | amotoki: what is chain in japanese? | 17:40 |
| amotoki | with different japanese character. | 17:40 |
| amotoki | kusari is chain in japanese. hard to pronounce. | 17:41 |
| s3wong | amotoki: yes -- -that is my understand via the 'Ryu' character in street fighter (that his name is "dragon") | 17:41 |
| amotoki | s3wong: famous game! | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | how about FlowChain | 17:41 |
| amotoki | good candidate | 17:41 |
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| mohankumar_ | cathy_ : +1 | 17:41 |
| vikram_ | Flow somehow holds the notion of chain implicitly.. | 17:42 |
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| pcarver | How about "Foxtail"? It's a type of chain used in jewlery. Sort of like Cinder is a type of block. | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: I don't feel Flow holds the notion of chain. | 17:42 |
| LouisF | cathy_: +1 | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | For me Flow just means the traafic flow | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | traffic flow | 17:42 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: Different opinions ;) | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: :-) | 17:42 |
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| fsunaval | cathy: I like FlowChain | 17:44 |
| pcarver | Here's an image of a few types of chains https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/dc/2a/71/dc2a71cd3a3068c72bc080e694f65752.jpg | 17:44 |
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| vikram_ | Till now, I am also okay with FlowChain | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: pcarver amotoki OK with FlowChain? | 17:45 |
| s3wong | cathy_: +1 | 17:45 |
| amotoki | np for flowchain | 17:45 |
| pcarver | vikram_: I'm ok with FlowChain too, just trying to think along the analogy lines of Cinder and Glance | 17:45 |
| vikram_ | pcarver: go ahead.. we can find something more interesting and attractive ;) | 17:46 |
| -amotoki- thinks we are enjoying terminology puzzle | 17:46 | |
| cathy_ | Ok, let's go with FlowChain for now. If anyone think of a better name, we can exchange via email. | 17:46 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: :-) | 17:46 |
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| cathy_ | #topic features for second phase | 17:47 |
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| vikram_ | this is real fun ... I m loving it | 17:47 |
| pcarver | I really like Barbican actually, that's a good name for a security related project. I'd like to come up with something that's unambiguously related to chains | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | we have touched this a little bit before. Let me summarize them | 17:47 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: good exercise for you:-) | 17:48 |
| LouisF | pcarver: daisy as in daisy-chain? | 17:48 |
| pcarver | LouisF: maybe | 17:49 |
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| LouisF | a bit whimsical ;) | 17:49 |
| cathy_ | We know that networking-sfc has completed integration with ONOS controller path and OVS driver Path. In second phase we got suggestions to integrate with more SDN Controllers via our southbound common driver API interface so that we can provide a unified API for end users no matter what SDN Controllers is plugged into the southbound | 17:50 |
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| cathy_ | Another area is to support a mixed chain of VM, container, physical devices | 17:51 |
| amotoki | in addition, northband integration with projects like tacker (or possible MANO in NFV context) | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: yes | 17:52 |
| pcarver | especially physical devices. We need to figure out how much of the problem is solved by l2gw project | 17:52 |
| vikram_ | pcarver: good point | 17:52 |
| LouisF | pcarver: ironic provides the physical device integration | 17:52 |
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| cathy_ | Tacker PTL joined the meeting before and he will work with us for that. | 17:53 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: so no change for us? | 17:53 |
| amotoki | we also need to check the progress of various things which networking-sfc requires | 17:53 |
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| amotoki | including l2gw and container integration | 17:53 |
| LouisF | vikram_: i think phy ports appear as neutron ports | 17:53 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: yes | 17:53 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: Ok then no problems for us | 17:54 |
| LouisF | vikram_: need to validate | 17:54 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: Will do | 17:54 |
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| fsunaval | nested container support in kuryr will help us with integrating containers inside VMs | 17:54 |
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| vikram_ | Better to list all the requirements as per priority... | 17:55 |
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| vikram_ | amotoki: It's very late for you | 17:55 |
| LouisF | vikram_: you had a suggestion on classifier enhancements | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | fsunaval: yes, there is another mechanism called somethinh like VLAN Aware port for adding Neutron port to containers | 17:56 |
| vikram_ | LouisF | 17:56 |
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| vikram_ | LouisF: Yes | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | time is up. Let me summarize the second phase features | 17:57 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: OAM | 17:57 |
| mohankumar_ | cathy_ : horizon | 17:57 |
| LouisF | cathy_: can we discuss in more depth at next meeting | 17:58 |
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| cathy_ | 1. support integration with more backend SDN controllers, 2. support of a mixed chain of VM, container, physical device, 3. integration with upstream Tacker, 4. enhancement of Flow Classifier, 5. Horizon, 6. OAM | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | wow, a lot on the plate:-) | 17:58 |
| vikram_ | 7. Heat | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: yes | 17:59 |
| LouisF | cathy_: tempest tests | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | We need to assign people investigating each area and come up with a design spec for review. So please think about which area you have interest and would like to lead the design of that piece. | 17:59 |
| vikram_ | 1 min remaining ;) | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | 8. tempest tests | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | Ok, let's continue the discussion next week. think about which piece you would like to take and lead the design. Thanks everyone. It is a good discussion. | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | Bye now | 18:00 |
| LouisF | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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