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| acabot__ | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 14:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| acabot__ | hi | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| seanmurphy | hi all | 14:00 |
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| jed56 | (O_O) | 14:00 |
| brunograz | hi | 14:00 |
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| tkaczynski | hi | 14:00 |
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| acabot__ | meeting agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#02.2F24.2F2016 | 14:00 |
| vtech_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:00 |
| tpeoples | o/ | 14:01 |
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| gzhai | hi | 14:01 |
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| acabot__ | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| dtardivel | hi | 14:02 |
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| acabot__ | #info dtardivel nominates vincentfrancoise as a Watcher core contributor | 14:02 |
| acabot__ | we had a couple of +1 on the ML | 14:02 |
| jed56 | even a +2 | 14:03 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:03 |
| gzhai | +1 | 14:03 |
| acabot__ | does anybody "dont want" vincentfrancoise as a core ? :-) | 14:03 |
| gzhai | vincent did a great job. | 14:03 |
| acabot__ | I also think so | 14:04 |
| tpeoples | +1 | 14:04 |
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| acabot__ | #action dtardivel set vincentfrancoise as core contributor on watcher, python-watcherclient & watcher-dashboard | 14:04 |
| dtardivel | acabot__: done :) | 14:05 |
| acabot__ | #info mid-cycle highlights have been shared through the ML | 14:05 |
| vincentfrancoise | I was already core on watcher-dashboard since I was the one creating the project :) | 14:05 |
| acabot__ | if I missed something important in the list please reply to it | 14:05 |
| acabot__ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087174.html | 14:06 |
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| vincentfrancoise | BTW, maybe we should discuss on who is to be core on watcher-dashboard at some point | 14:06 |
| acabot__ | true, do we have any candidate to become core on watcher-dashboard ? | 14:07 |
| acabot__ | or we can do it through the ML | 14:07 |
| acabot__ | today we only have vincentfrancoise right ? | 14:07 |
| vincentfrancoise | FYI, dtardivel and I are the only core on watcher-dashboard | 14:07 |
| acabot__ | ok | 14:07 |
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| acabot__ | tpeoples gzhai : do you want to be part of the watcher-dasboard core ? | 14:08 |
| acabot__ | we can wait for more contributors related to horizon stuff | 14:09 |
| gzhai | I want more time for watcher... | 14:09 |
| tpeoples | doubtful, i'm not all that interested in UI side / JS. let me have more of a look and get back to you | 14:09 |
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| acabot__ | ok lets continue with vincentfrancoise & dtardivel as core for now | 14:10 |
| acabot__ | any other annoucement from the team ? | 14:11 |
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| vincentfrancoise | It's just that we need to make sure we take this new project into account whenever writing new BPs | 14:11 |
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| tpeoples | for sure vincentfrancoise | 14:12 |
| gzhai | I'll attend openstack hackathon in Chengdu, China. And ask for a slot for watcher presentation:) | 14:12 |
| acabot__ | gzhai : great ! | 14:12 |
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| gzhai | Will use some previous slides to introduce watcher to China openstack community. | 14:13 |
| vmahe | hi | 14:13 |
| dtardivel | watcher-dashboard tagged 0.0.1 available ( + online doc, + docker container image watcher/dashboard) | 14:13 |
| tpeoples | i apologize for my lack of activity in the past week and a half. that is going to change.. jfyi if you were wondering where the heck i've been :( | 14:13 |
| acabot__ | #info gzhai will try to introduce Watcher to an openstack hackathon in Chengdu, China | 14:13 |
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| acabot__ | tpeoples : yes we thought you were in vacation :-D | 14:14 |
| dtardivel | gzhai: +1 | 14:14 |
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| tpeoples | i had to move offices, lots of other stuff going on. like i said, it will change | 14:14 |
| tpeoples | if not kick me out | 14:15 |
| tpeoples | :) | 14:15 |
| acabot__ | dtardivel shouldn't we align versions between watcher, watcher-pythonclient and watcher-dashboard at some point ? | 14:15 |
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| tkaczynski | tpeoples: no worries, I did the code review in the meantime and added some comments | 14:15 |
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| dtardivel | gzhai: what will be the number of your attendees ? | 14:16 |
| gzhai | 30~40 in last year. | 14:16 |
| acabot__ | #topic Review Action Items | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:16 | |
| gzhai | big company in china, like Huawei, 99cloud. | 14:16 |
| dtardivel | acabot__: not necessary ... | 14:17 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai: nice! | 14:17 |
| acabot__ | gzhai : I'm on the Huawei booth right now at Mobile World Congress ;-) | 14:17 |
| gzhai | :) | 14:17 |
| tpeoples | dtardivel: because they should be able version agnostic? e.g., python-watcherclient should be able to interact with a watcher backend of a different version? | 14:17 |
| gzhai | Huawei put a lot of resources for openstack. | 14:17 |
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| acabot__ | tpeoples : as think that until we are in version 0.x, you need to get the latest version of each component to run Watcher, right ? | 14:20 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: python-watcherclient should support different version of watcher API. | 14:20 |
| vincentfrancoise | tpeoples: I guess we just need to stabilize watcher-dashboard a little more before aligning the versions | 14:20 |
| acabot__ | vincentfrancoise ok | 14:20 |
| acabot__ | lets move on watcher specs | 14:20 |
| tpeoples | acabot__: i think that is only true in these early stages where we aren't worrying about backwards compatibility. in the future that shouldn't be necessary | 14:21 |
| jed56 | vincentfrancoise : we don't have to align the version | 14:21 |
| tpeoples | +1 vincentfrancoise | 14:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | The 0.0.1 tag was put just so we can generate the docker containers, otherwise we wouldn't have tagged it | 14:21 |
| jed56 | we can but this is not mandatory | 14:21 |
| jed56 | since we have the api compatibility | 14:21 |
| acabot__ | i'm just concerned about the distance between 0.0.1 & 0.23 :-) | 14:21 |
| jed56 | this is a problem ? :) | 14:22 |
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| vincentfrancoise | I reckon we can deal with in Newton if needed | 14:22 |
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| acabot__ | jed56 : not really, just that 0.1 could have been better ;-) | 14:22 |
| dtardivel | acabot: watcher, python-watcherclient and watcher-dashboard are independent project, with independent life-cycle. We just implemented and pushed a beta PROD version of the dashboard, so this is the reason of version 0.0.1 today. | 14:23 |
| jed56 | yes but our 0.1 is quite stable | 14:23 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:23 |
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| acabot__ | jed56 dtardivel : Ok i'm fine with that guys | 14:23 |
| jed56 | one commit => 0.0.1 : ) | 14:24 |
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| jed56 | two commit 0.1 | 14:24 |
| jed56 | lol | 14:24 |
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| acabot__ | #info Efficacy indicators specs has been merged too fast and we realized that it needs improvements | 14:24 |
| jed56 | three commit 1.0 stable | 14:24 |
| gzhai | :) | 14:25 |
| acabot__ | so there is a new review open https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/, sorry for the confusion | 14:25 |
| acabot__ | we have 2 specs open for a long time now (ZHAW strategy & workload balance strategy) | 14:25 |
| gzhai | acabot__: I'm looking at this. | 14:25 |
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| acabot__ | I suggest to merge them by EOW | 14:26 |
| acabot__ | seanmurphy vtech : what do you think ? | 14:26 |
| seanmurphy | to merge the 2 strategies? | 14:26 |
| seanmurphy | i saw this in the agenda | 14:26 |
| seanmurphy | we are doing our implementation as you might have seen | 14:26 |
| seanmurphy | there is the point that they seem to be contradictory | 14:27 |
| seanmurphy | at least at the initial glance | 14:27 |
| acabot__ | no no sorry | 14:27 |
| seanmurphy | one focused on consolidation and one focuses on even distribution of load iiuc | 14:27 |
| acabot__ | not merge the 2 strategies into one but having both specs merged in gerrit :-) | 14:27 |
| seanmurphy | ok | 14:28 |
| acabot__ | my sentence is confusing :-) | 14:28 |
| seanmurphy | i don’t understand the advantages/disadvantages of this tbh | 14:28 |
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| seanmurphy | i did not read the spec for the workload balance strategy | 14:28 |
| gzhai | Who can help to review workload balance? | 14:29 |
| acabot__ | seanmurphy : could you have a look at it by EOW ? | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | form our selfish perspective, we would say ‘what is the benefit of this?' | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | and also ‘does it mean we would have to change our implementation | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | for sure i can look | 14:29 |
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| acabot__ | seanmurphy : not sure to follow you, are you taking about the process of merging the spec in watcher-spec repo ? | 14:30 |
| seanmurphy | not that we don’t want to be constructive, but i’m just unclear on what the point is/what the benefit is | 14:30 |
| seanmurphy | ah - sorry | 14:30 |
| seanmurphy | confusion - my bad | 14:30 |
| seanmurphy | so you’re not talking abt merging them into each other | 14:30 |
| seanmurphy | right | 14:30 |
| seanmurphy | ok - if it’s just a q of whether our strategy can be merged by eow | 14:31 |
| seanmurphy | then this is doable | 14:31 |
| acabot__ | seanmurphy: ok back on our feet | 14:31 |
| jed56 | woah I was lost :) | 14:31 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 | 14:31 |
| seanmurphy | regarding the workload balance issue - we can provide a review of this | 14:32 |
| acabot__ | #action seanmurphy acabot review specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271028/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276586/ by EOW | 14:32 |
| jed56 | you can add me | 14:33 |
| acabot__ | gzhai : I think we need more reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274688/, what do you think ? | 14:34 |
| acabot__ | #action jed56 review specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271028/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276586/ by EOW | 14:34 |
| gzhai | +1 | 14:34 |
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| acabot__ | vmahe I think we should look at the impact we discussed on efficacy indicators on the input parameters specs | 14:36 |
| jed56 | +1 | 14:36 |
| vmahe | + | 14:37 |
| vmahe | +1 | 14:37 |
| acabot__ | #action vmahe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274688/ | 14:37 |
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| acabot__ | we have a couple of BPs with high priority that needs specs | 14:37 |
| acabot__ | tomasz is setting up devstack before starting the scoring module | 14:38 |
| acabot__ | tpeoples: what about the objects wrapper ? | 14:38 |
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| jed56 | tomasz: did you success to setup devstack ? | 14:38 |
| tpeoples | acabot__: i *will* get a spec for that in next 2 days | 14:38 |
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| tpeoples | i saw tomasz' comments on the devstack review... i will make a few more updates there | 14:39 |
| acabot__ | #action tpeoples submit a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-model-objects-wrapper | 14:39 |
| acabot__ | thx | 14:39 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: I will review it after | 14:40 |
| acabot__ | I will submit a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/select-destinations-filter | 14:40 |
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| tkaczynski | jed56 I'm very close. I have controller + compute nodes, able to boot vm, but live migration is not working. troubleshooting it now, got some help from other openstack contributors here in Gdansk | 14:40 |
| acabot__ | #action acabot submit a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/select-destinations-filter | 14:40 |
| dtardivel | tkaczynski: maybe, we can help you on live migration. Is it on NFS setup ? | 14:41 |
| tpeoples | tkaczynski: are you using multiple virtualbox VMs? just curious | 14:41 |
| acabot__ | we can jump to devstack doc improvements ;-) | 14:41 |
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| tkaczynski | yes, NFS is working fine. there was some unclear error in the n-cpu logs, we suspect libvirt or qemu problem, but need to investigate | 14:42 |
| tpeoples | tkaczynski: did you set up SSH keys? | 14:42 |
| tkaczynski | yes, of course. and confirmed with ssh to/from stack/root | 14:43 |
| tpeoples | hmm ok | 14:43 |
| tkaczynski | and yes, using 2 virtualbox VMs | 14:43 |
| tpeoples | cool | 14:43 |
| acabot__ | #info 17 bug fixes are in review, so we need reviewers | 14:44 |
| tkaczynski | once I have it configured, I plan to setup the whole thing again and document it, so I can repeat that process | 14:44 |
| tpeoples | #action tpeoples review | 14:44 |
| acabot__ | I assume that with vincentfrancoise as core it will be easier to merge them | 14:44 |
| tpeoples | tkaczynski: that would be awesome if we add that to our docs | 14:44 |
| acabot__ | tpeoples: +1 | 14:45 |
| acabot__ | nothing new on python-watcherclient | 14:46 |
| acabot__ | #info initial commit for watcher-dashboard has been merged | 14:46 |
| acabot__ | #action acabot set-up launchpad for watcher-dashboard | 14:46 |
| acabot__ | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:47 |
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| brunograz | tkaczynski: we have an old blog post about setting live migration in Openstack - it might be helpful #link https://blog.zhaw.ch/icclab/setting-up-live-migration-in-openstack-icehouse/ | 14:48 |
| acabot__ | we need to start implementing workload balance strategy if we want to demonstrate it in Austin | 14:48 |
| acabot__ | gzhai : do you have any update on junjie stuff ? | 14:48 |
| tkaczynski | brunograz thanks, I'll definitely have a look there | 14:48 |
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| gzhai | acabot__: He is working on the specs. | 14:49 |
| gzhai | we are preparing the algothm to start working on workload migration spec. | 14:49 |
| acabot__ | did he starts implementing or not yet ? | 14:50 |
| gzhai | acabot__: not yet. We will start soon. | 14:51 |
| gzhai | And want to more review for the spec to avoid unnecessary work:) | 14:52 |
| jed56 | gzhai i will | 14:52 |
| gzhai | jed56: thanks | 14:53 |
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| jed56 | ping acabot_ | 14:54 |
| acabot_ | back | 14:54 |
| acabot_ | sorry wifi disconnection | 14:54 |
| acabot_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:54 |
| acabot_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:54 |
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| acabot_ | ping jed56 | 14:55 |
| seanmurphy | we have a blog post which we’re writing in which we mention watcher and the fact that we’re contributing to it - it’s for an eu proj | 14:55 |
| acabot_ | seanmurphy: looks great | 14:56 |
| acabot_ | #info seanmurphy will write a blog post mentionning Watcher contributions | 14:56 |
| seanmurphy | yep - it’s already drafted - it will go out this week | 14:56 |
| dtardivel | acabot_: is implementation of Watcher policy.json file mandatory for m3 ? | 14:56 |
| acabot_ | dtardivel: no its not | 14:57 |
| acabot_ | not in my mitaka-3 list... | 14:57 |
| acabot_ | you mean this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-policies ? | 14:57 |
| acabot_ | its not targeted yet so Newton | 14:58 |
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| dtardivel | acabot_: yes I do | 14:58 |
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| acabot_ | thank you guys | 14:59 |
| tpeoples | ttyl | 14:59 |
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| seanmurphy | ttyl | 14:59 |
| acabot_ | bye | 14:59 |
| brunograz | bye | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | adiós Antoine | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:59 |
| gzhai | bye | 14:59 |
| jed56 | bye | 14:59 |
| edleafe | bye | 14:59 |
| acabot_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| tkaczynski | bye | 14:59 |
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| edleafe | acabot_: you have to #endmeeting with the same nick you started it with | 15:01 |
| edleafe | e.g., 'acabot__' (two underscores) | 15:01 |
| acabot_ | right | 15:02 |
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| acabot__ | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 15:02:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-24-14.00.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-24-14.00.txt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-24-14.00.log.html | 15:03 |
| acabot__ | edleafe : thx | 15:03 |
| edleafe | acabot__: no worries | 15:03 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 16:30:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
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| SamYaple | o/ | 16:30 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:30 |
| akwasnie | hi :) | 16:30 |
| britthouser | 0/ | 16:30 |
| sdake | yo folks | 16:30 |
| pbourke | so close to being first | 16:30 |
| pbourke | cheers SamYaple | 16:30 |
| pbourke | :p | 16:30 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:30 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ hola | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | so you know what they call almost winning pbourke ? | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | losing | 16:30 |
| pbourke | lol | 16:30 |
| sdake | age before beauty pbourke ;) | 16:30 |
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| rhallisey | hello | 16:31 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 16:32 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:32 |
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| sdake | 1. meeting times have changed, even weeks are 16;30, odd weeks are 23:00 | 16:32 |
| carolbarret | #openstack-meeting | 16:32 |
| carolbarret | #openstack-meetings | 16:32 |
| sdake | ISO weeks - to find the week run date "+%V" | 16:32 |
| akwasnie | 1630 timezone? | 16:32 |
| akwasnie | ah, ok | 16:33 |
| SamYaple | akwasnie: UTC | 16:33 |
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| sdake | carolbarret is there an issue with meeting conflct? | 16:33 |
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| sdake | the meetings are staying in the channel openstack-meeting-4 | 16:33 |
| sdake | the irc channel gate sorts out conflicts and -1's the patch if its wrong ;) | 16:34 |
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| sdake | 2. we need to get cracking on our austin summit sessions - ttx has requested the info in the next few weeks | 16:35 |
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| sdake | so the next two meetings, we need to sort that out | 16:35 |
| vhosakot | sorry, I'm late | 16:35 |
| vhosakot | o/ :) | 16:35 |
| sdake | 3. mitaka releases between 2nd-4th of march, 1 week to go - and we got a ton of work to do | 16:35 |
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| sdake | 4. I am going to kick all medium/low blueprints to newton if they are not in the good progress stage, so please make it so in launchpad - if you dont' have permissions ping me and i'll add you to the drivers group to change your blueprint states | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | sdake: you mean mitaka-3 right? | 16:36 |
| sdake | SamYaple yes mitaka-3 | 16:36 |
| sdake | then we have 1 month for stablization via rcs | 16:36 |
| sdake | the final date I believe is aprril 13th, but not certain - i'll double check and get backt o folks that want o know our actual release date | 16:36 |
| sdake | any announcements from community folk? | 16:37 |
| sdake | #topic Kolla Austin Summit topics [timebox 15 minutes] | 16:38 |
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| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-summit | 16:38 |
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| elemoine_ | o/ | 16:43 |
| xionglingfeng | hi everyone :-) | 16:43 |
| elemoine_ | sorry for being late, I thought there was no meeting | 16:43 |
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| dave-mccowan | we're collaborating in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-summit | 16:44 |
| xionglingfeng | So this conference is only about the design of Newton cycle? | 16:45 |
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| vhosakot | dave-mccowan: add your name under "Contributors" at the top | 16:47 |
| xionglingfeng | me? | 16:48 |
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| vhosakot | xionglingfeng: you too :) | 16:49 |
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| xionglingfeng | I am still thinking what shall I write on the pad LOL | 16:49 |
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| sdake | wheee :) | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | xionglingfeng, anything you want to discuss | 16:49 |
| sdake | ok lets keep going until the hour mark or until we run out of ideas ;) | 16:50 |
| xionglingfeng | Im struggling about the cinder NFS thing :-( | 16:50 |
| xionglingfeng | since nova_compute and nova_libvirt r split into two component, it is really difficult to make cinder NFS working | 16:51 |
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| xionglingfeng | any suggestions on this? | 16:52 |
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| sdake | ok folks | 17:00 |
| sdake | we went past our timebox and our extended timebox | 17:00 |
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| sdake | lets finish this up next meeting | 17:00 |
| sdake | #topic risk item status | 17:00 |
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| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-midcycle-roadmap | 17:01 |
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| sdake | elemoine_ akwasnie1 diagnostics status? | 17:02 |
| sdake | I know heka is msotly merged | 17:02 |
| akwasnie1 | elasticsearch is merged | 17:02 |
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| elemoine_ | what remains is integrating the two | 17:02 |
| akwasnie1 | we will start integration this week, i think | 17:02 |
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| akwasnie1 | yup :) | 17:02 |
| elemoine_ | I created a wip CR for that | 17:02 |
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| elemoine_ | I hope akwasnie1 and I can collaborate on it | 17:03 |
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| xionglingfeng | quick question: since we already have ELK and heka for logs, why we still keep rsyslog? | 17:03 |
| akwasnie1 | sure :) | 17:03 |
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| akwasnie1 | rsyslog is removed | 17:03 |
| xionglingfeng | cool | 17:03 |
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| sdake | we have EHK - special snowflakes ftw ;) | 17:04 |
| xionglingfeng | LOL | 17:04 |
| xionglingfeng | What is the time schedule for kolla release? | 17:04 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l reconfig | 17:04 |
| xionglingfeng | I mean, what time is feature freeze, something like this? | 17:04 |
| elemoine_ | makes me wonder if we should rename the enable_elk var to something else | 17:04 |
| sdake | feature freeze is theoretically march 2nd-4th | 17:04 |
| sdake | i say theoretically because we are on releease-indepndent schedule | 17:04 |
| elemoine_ | I guess it could just be enable_elasticsearch in fact | 17:05 |
| xionglingfeng | okok got u | 17:05 |
| sdake | so we set our own schedules and release criteria | 17:05 |
| xionglingfeng | ok. Is there any page for the schedule? | 17:05 |
| sdake | however, i'd like to follow upstream release-managed as much as possible | 17:05 |
| xionglingfeng | sure | 17:05 |
| sdake | xionglingfeng google for openstack mitaka schedule | 17:05 |
| elemoine_ | sdake: makes sense to me | 17:05 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l ping re reconfig | 17:05 |
| sdake | inc0 your up on infrastructure upgrades | 17:05 |
| inc0 | HAProxy is up for review | 17:06 |
| xionglingfeng | I have OS time schedule. Because you mentioned kolla has own schedule so I just wondering if it is documented. | 17:06 |
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| inc0 | rabbitmq is inprog | 17:06 |
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| inc0 | mariadb is on SamYaple | 17:06 |
| sdake | keepalived is also in the haproxy review | 17:06 |
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| sdake | ceph remains | 17:06 |
| inc0 | we need upgrades of logging stuff, but that's lower priority | 17:06 |
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| sdake | what else? | 17:06 |
| xionglingfeng | what about n-1 support? | 17:06 |
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| SamYaple | xionglingfeng: that is unlikely to ever happen | 17:07 |
| xionglingfeng | lol | 17:07 |
| xionglingfeng | kk | 17:07 |
| sdake | xionglingfeng add to the etherpad for austin summit discussion | 17:07 |
| inc0 | but elemoine akwasnie1 you might want to check on this one, hopefully is as simple as rebuild containers | 17:07 |
| sdake | its not going to happen in mitaka - mitaka needs more capacity or less features | 17:07 |
| elemoine_ | inc0: I can have a log at upgrade of logging stuff, although I am not sure what that implies at this point | 17:07 |
| sdake | sounds like diags is not really in risk any longer | 17:08 |
| inc0 | elemoine_, at very least implement naive redeploy with serial plz | 17:08 |
| sdake | sounds like infrastructure upgrades is not at risk any longer | 17:08 |
| inc0 | ceph is still for the taking | 17:08 |
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| inc0 | ceph upgrades | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | nah ceph is fine | 17:08 |
| sdake | migration path - pbourke ? | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | im working on it now | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | its not doing storage infrace properly | 17:08 |
| sdake | SamYaple can you assign the blueprint to yourself | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | i did at one point... | 17:08 |
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| sdake | and set the state to started or good progress | 17:09 |
| elemoine_ | inc0: I can have a look, but IÂ need to get more familiar with the exact needs | 17:09 |
| sdake | i unset them at midcycle because we moved around who was working on what | 17:09 |
| inc0 | elemoine_ I'm here to help | 17:09 |
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| sdake | vm functional testing no longer at risk | 17:09 |
| sdake | so that leaves reconfig | 17:09 |
| elemoine_ | inc0: ok, I'll ping you on IRC then | 17:09 |
| sdake | #info reconfig is at risk and essential blueprint for mitaka | 17:09 |
| elemoine_ | inc0: any container I should look at as a model? | 17:10 |
| inc0 | elemoine_, keystone is the simpliest, nova is most complex | 17:10 |
| elemoine_ | is reconfig related to upgrade? | 17:10 |
| inc0 | not really | 17:10 |
| sdake | elemoine_ sort of but not really | 17:10 |
| elemoine_ | or are the two independent? | 17:10 |
| sdake | they are two seprate actions | 17:10 |
| xionglingfeng | reconfig? | 17:10 |
| elemoine_ | ok, I'll figure it out | 17:10 |
| xionglingfeng | do u mean that modify the configuration files then redeploy the containers? | 17:11 |
| elemoine_ | xionglingfeng: reconfig == restart container after config change | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | hey i really dont like "reconfig" is there opposition to "reconfigure"? | 17:11 |
| xionglingfeng | Or i misunderstood | 17:11 |
| xionglingfeng | okok got u | 17:11 |
| inc0 | reconfig means I want to keep my containers as they are but change config files | 17:11 |
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| elemoine_ | SamYaple: reconfiguration, sorry :) | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | elemoine_: i meant for the name | 17:11 |
| elemoine_ | SamYaple: I agree with you | 17:11 |
| sdake | reconfigure is a bit long but i dont care as long as it works ;) | 17:11 |
| inc0 | updtading_configuration_files_to_the_latest_version_based_on_what_is_currently_in_ansible_templates | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | reload | 17:11 |
| elemoine_ | we don't have short names elsewhere | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | i dont care, just the partital short name is annoying | 17:12 |
| xionglingfeng | reconfig==write new version of configuration files and restart containers, isn't it? | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | xionglingfeng: yes | 17:12 |
| xionglingfeng | So the risk is? | 17:12 |
| elemoine_ | that it's not finished before mitaka I guess | 17:12 |
| sdake | the risk is there is only one patch in the queue to do the job and it ahsn't been updatedd in 5 days | 17:12 |
| sdake | and there needs to be a role for every service | 17:13 |
| sdake | i'll speak to Jeffrey4l offline about it, he must be asleep ;) | 17:13 |
| sdake | ok, any questions, or shall I move on? | 17:13 |
| elemoine_ | sounds worrying… | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | sdake: its been updated... | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | its fairly active right now | 17:13 |
| sdake | SamYaple cool - i'll check it out | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | looks good | 17:13 |
| rhallisey | well once there's a template the rest should fly up there | 17:13 |
| sdake | SamYaple I haven't looked at the queue this morning yet | 17:13 |
| rhallisey | we told him to make sure one merges first | 17:14 |
| xionglingfeng | hav to leave meeting conflict | 17:14 |
| xionglingfeng | see u guys :-) | 17:14 |
| rhallisey | see ya | 17:14 |
| sdake | xionglingfeng ttyl | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | thanks xionglingfeng | 17:14 |
| elemoine_ | xionglingfeng: bye | 17:14 |
| sdake | #topic essential blueprint status | 17:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "essential blueprint status (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 17:14 | |
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| sdake | https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 17:15 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 17:15 |
| xionglingfeng | BTW, I think I have some spare time working on both core components and trove/murano in the following months. So if anything I can help, just let me know | 17:15 |
| xionglingfeng | :-) | 17:15 |
| sdake | essential is looking good | 17:15 |
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| sdake | we have many in the not started state however | 17:15 |
| sdake | so lets focus on those first | 17:15 |
| sdake | mariadb lights out recovery | 17:15 |
| elemoine_ | xionglingfeng: trove logs are not collected | 17:16 |
| sdake | SamYaple ^ | 17:16 |
| sdake | also playbook for neutron playbook for openvswitch for upgrades ^^ | 17:16 |
| elemoine_ | xionglingfeng: it would be good to add that, and that should be pretty straightforward | 17:16 |
| sdake | are those not started state as well, or are they started? | 17:16 |
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| SamYaple | they are started | 17:17 |
| sdake | remember, we have 1 week ;) | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | i need to push them up for review | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | im testing multinode neutron | 17:17 |
| sdake | cool, mind i set them to started? | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | it _seems_ to be working | 17:17 |
| sdake | if they are ready to review, then theyare probably good dprogress | 17:17 |
| sdake | or ready for review | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | yea in neutrons case its basic service upgrade template | 17:18 |
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| sdake | SamYaple would you mind setting the state for those 3 to what you think is appropriate? | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | mariadb is harder, still idempoteizing it | 17:18 |
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| sdake | nihilifer you ahve several upgrade blueprints in started state | 17:19 |
| sdake | I see they have reviews up | 17:19 |
| sdake | and your blocked on multinode testing | 17:19 |
| sdake | folks - please don't block on mulitnode testing just test single node and we can sort out multinode qa in the rcs | 17:19 |
| sdake | iwith qualifier (if you can't test multinode) | 17:20 |
| sdake | the goal is to get things from not started->started->good progress->ready for review->implemented | 17:20 |
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| sdake | I leave it to you to judge what state your work is in | 17:20 |
| sdake | but I can't read your minds, so please set the tracker appropriately so operators don't have a heart attack when they look at our tracker | 17:21 |
| sdake | upgrade playbook for heat, half done | 17:21 |
| sdake | rest are all good progress | 17:21 |
| sdake | I'd define good progress as *it will be implemented by march 2nd-4th* | 17:21 |
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| inc0 | how are we doing on Grand-Backport? | 17:22 |
| sdake | inc0 lets get mitaka-3 out of the way first | 17:22 |
| sdake | I had planned to discuss high prioirrty blueprints | 17:22 |
| sdake | but there isn't enough time | 17:22 |
| sdake | so :) | 17:22 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:22 |
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| sdake | inc0 you have the floor | 17:22 |
| elemoine_ | inc0: grand backport == backporting thin containers ? | 17:22 |
| sdake | elemoine_ no the first part of the proposal | 17:23 |
| vhosakot | I have something to talk in open discussion.. should we add docker version and ansible version as well in requirements.txt ? | 17:23 |
| elemoine_ | ah ok | 17:23 |
| inc0 | elemoine_ thin containers and named volumes | 17:23 |
| sdake | the containers backport hasn't hit its voting deadline yet | 17:23 |
| elemoine_ | got it | 17:23 |
| sdake | vhosakot one at a time :) | 17:23 |
| inc0 | sdake, but I think we have majority already | 17:23 |
| sdake | whoever has the floor drives discussion in open discussion | 17:23 |
| vhosakot | sdake: got it! | 17:23 |
| sdake | inc0 cool wedidn't yesterday i'll check ml and make it so | 17:23 |
| sdake | so inc0 anything to add re grand backport ? :) | 17:24 |
| inc0 | ok, I'd love to have 1.1.0 asap tbh...we need to really test this one | 17:24 |
| rhallisey | ya I think we hit the majority | 17:24 |
| inc0 | its more important (way more important) than Mitaka-3 imho | 17:24 |
| inc0 | I'm done | 17:24 |
| sdake | #action sdake to check for majority on thin container backport and post results on mailing list | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | i agree inc0 | 17:24 |
| sdake | inc0 we need to finish the features for mitaka by eadline atleast essential/high | 17:25 |
| sdake | I don't want features in the rcs if we can help it | 17:25 |
| sdake | we have 80 bugs in the tracker, which is about 40 too many to handle in the rcs | 17:25 |
| inc0 | ok, but I want to say that while noone will deploy mitaka for next few months, 1.1.0 will get deployed as first kolla on prod | 17:26 |
| sdake | vhosakot you have the floor | 17:26 |
| sdake | 3 minutes ;-) | 17:26 |
| vhosakot | sdake: thanks :) | 17:26 |
| vhosakot | I have something to talk in open discussion.. should we add docker version and ansible version as well in requirements.txt ? | 17:26 |
| * SamYaple begs for reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283887 | 17:26 | |
| sdake | inc0 ack that, i think we need to do that during rcs | 17:26 |
| SamYaple | that was holding up ceph upgrades ^ | 17:26 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, we are separating kolla-ansible from kolla | 17:26 |
| sdake | SamYaple will review after meeting | 17:26 |
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| inc0 | and we can't add docker version because it's not pip installable | 17:26 |
| vhosakot | inc0: ah, ok.. agreed.. cool | 17:27 |
| sdake | ansible can't be added to requiremetns.txt because of openstack policies | 17:27 |
| sdake | there is a bug in the tracker on this piont | 17:27 |
| inc0 | that too | 17:27 |
| sdake | i'll find it for you later if you want to read up on it | 17:27 |
| inc0 | ansible has wrong licence | 17:27 |
| vhosakot | sdake: thats it.. I will ping in #kolla channel about a feature I need to start or help with | 17:27 |
| SamYaple | ok im out guys | 17:27 |
| SamYaple | lunch | 17:27 |
| elemoine_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1547533 | 17:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1547533 in kolla "Tech-Debt: Namespace the Docker volumes" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:28 |
| sdake | any other open discussion? | 17:28 |
| elemoine_ | would love a decision on this | 17:28 |
| sdake | decision on what | 17:28 |
| elemoine_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1547533 | 17:28 |
| sdake | oh you rbug | 17:28 |
| elemoine_ | volume naming | 17:28 |
| sdake | i'll tak a look elemoine_ | 17:28 |
| sdake | I think we dont need namespacing on further thinking | 17:28 |
| elemoine_ | thanks, I've added a few ideas in the bug | 17:28 |
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| SamYaple | elemoine_: i know what youre asking, we can implement that in newton | 17:29 |
| elemoine_ | sdake: which means renaming kolla_logs to something else I guess | 17:29 |
| inc0 | if docker doesn't support volume rename | 17:29 |
| SamYaple | mesos has this thing | 17:29 |
| sdake | thanks for coming folks | 17:29 |
| SamYaple | inc0: it doesnt need to | 17:29 |
| sdake | our meeting time is up :) | 17:29 |
| elemoine_ | bye | 17:29 |
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| sdake | lets overflow into #kolla as needed | 17:29 |
| vhosakot | bye :) | 17:29 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
| inc0 | bye | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 17:29:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| rhallisey | byee | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-02-24-16.30.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-02-24-16.30.txt | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-02-24-16.30.log.html | 17:29 |
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| ajafo | bye | 17:29 |
| akwasnie1 | bye ! :) | 17:30 |
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| raginbajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 19:01:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:01 |
| klindgren | o/ | 19:02 |
| raginbajin | o/ | 19:02 |
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| raginbajin | I have an etherpad up and running for today's meeting. It pulls in the last meeting before the Mid-cycle that we had on 01/24/2016 - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160224 | 19:04 |
| raginbajin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160224 | 19:04 |
| raginbajin | I'll wait some time to see if people like j^2 balajin mdorman rockyg and a few others will be joining | 19:05 |
| j^2 | I’ve been informed that my priorities have changed :( | 19:06 |
| j^2 | I won’t be able to be as active as i used to be | 19:06 |
| j^2 | I fought to keep myself in this community, but it seems that I’m needed other places to work on things for Chef | 19:07 |
| j^2 | The last few weeks have been me attempting, and failing, at getting myself involved in both things, but Chef pays my bills so i have to do what they ask | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | Got it. It's not biggie. | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | I'll hit you up offline then. I have some questions and I hope I can fill your shoes going forward. | 19:08 |
| j^2 | rock on | 19:08 |
| raginbajin | Maybe you can just help guide me | 19:08 |
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| j^2 | absolutely, don’t ever hesitate to reach out | 19:09 |
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| balajin_ | yo | 19:09 |
| balajin_ | sorry, am late | 19:09 |
| mdorman | same here, thought meeting was in the ops channel. | 19:09 |
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| raginbajin | No problem guys.. | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | I think this may be as many as we will have so we can get started.. | 19:11 |
| balajin_ | yup | 19:11 |
| balajin_ | soryr about that | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | #topic Previous Business - Operator bits in the Community App Catalog | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous Business - Operator bits in the Community App Catalog (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:11 | |
| raginbajin | We agreed to focus on getting more validated and curated tools into the current repos first, then look for other ways to package and distribute. | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | Not sure if there is anything more on that one. Just going through the etherpad at this point. | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | #topic Previous Business - Mid-Cycle | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous Business - Mid-Cycle (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:13 | |
| raginbajin | Not sure how many of us were able to attend the mid-cycle | 19:13 |
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| raginbajin | It looks like we had some action items related to this that Mr mdorman was going to update the README files, which if I remember correctly was done. | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | We were going to do the following: | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | Ensuring that we let operators know that it is easy to contribute to the osops-contrib repos and that it is a good first step. | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | Ensuring that we let operators know that osops is out there for their monitors/scripts and other tool additions and consumption | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | Update the readme's on the repo's before the midcycle to ensure that people know what these are for. | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | Was anyone able to attend the mid-cycle? | 19:15 |
| raginbajin | I'm assuming that is a no then. | 19:16 |
| raginbajin | I did see some emails come across on the operators list that mentioned the OSOps repos. I also have seen some commits happening as well. | 19:17 |
| raginbajin | Does anyone have anything for previous business? | 19:19 |
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| klindgren | I do not | 19:19 |
| mdorman | nope | 19:20 |
| raginbajin | Then I open up the floor for new business | 19:20 |
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| raginbajin | #topic new business | 19:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new business (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:20 | |
| mdorman | yeah we have been getting a few reviews here and there in the repos, so it’s getting more attention. | 19:20 |
| raginbajin | Well that's good. | 19:23 |
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| raginbajin | It seems that we doing a good job with making sure we point out the osops repos as well. | 19:23 |
| mdorman | i think so | 19:23 |
| klindgren | So I take it noone here was able to go to the mid-cycle would have been interesting to hear feedback from that | 19:23 |
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| raginbajin | I wasn't able too. Out of country is pretty much a no-go especially for a mid-cycle | 19:24 |
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| raginbajin | Ok. | 19:25 |
| raginbajin | Does anyone else have any new things they would like to talk about? | 19:25 |
| raginbajin | If not, it seems that we can end the meeting and work on getting more topics to discuss in two weeks. | 19:26 |
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| raginbajin | I'll give everyone two more minutes or so and I'll end the meeting for this week. | 19:28 |
| klindgren | so you guys in two weeks | 19:29 |
| klindgren | s/so/see | 19:29 |
| balajin_ | +1 | 19:30 |
| raginbajin | Yep. | 19:36 |
| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 19:36 |
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| mdorman | fyi there were some upates re: mid cycle in the last LDT meeting. so you could look up the logs from that. | 19:36 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 19:36:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-02-24-19.01.html | 19:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-02-24-19.01.txt | 19:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-02-24-19.01.log.html | 19:36 |
| mdorman | ah, just missed it, haha. i didn’t have anything else anyway | 19:36 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 21:00 |
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| rockyg | anyone here for log_wg? | 21:01 |
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| rbradfor | rockyg, hi | 21:05 |
| rbradfor | sorry, had some oslo things in urgent review | 21:06 |
| rockyg | hey! Well. I guess I can start the show... | 21:06 |
| rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 21:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 21:06:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:06 |
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| rockyg | jokke_, !! | 21:06 |
| rockyg | #topic Ops midcycle | 21:07 |
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| rbradfor | rockyg, so how did it go | 21:08 |
| rockyg | Great midcycle. Turns out the docs lead for config ref was there | 21:08 |
| rockyg | We talked. I showed a bunch of ops the config output in the dev docs area. They were happy | 21:09 |
| rockyg | But most ops are still on icehouse/juno so doesn't do *as* much for them | 21:10 |
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| rockyg | Yet. | 21:10 |
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| rockyg | I asked format and presentation questions. They responded with preferences. docs lead loved it. | 21:11 |
| rbradfor | why would it not do as much, because they have not done upgrades? | 21:11 |
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| rockyg | Yeah. Still on the older stuff. *but* one of the most important section for ops that have been around a couple of releases is the section on changed opts: new, deprecated, and who knows, maybed defaults changed | 21:12 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, great you mentioned that. | 21:12 |
| rbradfor | I'm working on a spec to "Better identify configuration option lifespan" | 21:13 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Trying to make upgrades easier, so Reno, and those changes sections are critical. | 21:13 |
| rbradfor | so there are Released, Changed, Deprecated, Removal attributes per option, and those sections (expecially changed) are auto generated. | 21:13 |
| rockyg | I think we can get you ops comments on a spec like that. | 21:14 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, its good meta information that both adds developers and deployers/administrators. It's also a very low development cost when the support exists | 21:14 |
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| rbradfor | and when it removes manual documentation (including release-notes), you never miss anything. | 21:15 |
| rockyg | Excellent. What would really be cool, but just a nice to have would be a tool that could generate current install's opts and values and a diff of what will change with a selected "upgrade" release. So, if they skip a release, they can get the info in one place. | 21:15 |
| rbradfor | yes, that's a sub-part of it | 21:16 |
| rockyg | Wow! cool! The ops guys will definitely want to read the spec. | 21:16 |
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| rockyg | It was pointed out in the prod wg meetup that online retailers can't change site code from about August until after the new year. Except for fixing brokenness. | 21:17 |
| rbradfor | as part of removing two deprecated options in oslo.log this lead to talking to docs team about updating. | 21:17 |
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| rockyg | I saw that depracation. | 21:18 |
| rbradfor | good discussion with gpocentek on -doc about how in particular config sections are generated in documentation. | 21:18 |
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| rockyg | Wonderful. | 21:18 |
| rockyg | The syslog deprecations and config opts in oslo.log are very confusing for me. | 21:19 |
| rbradfor | it's in the same vein but I can see ways to make it quicker and easier to produce that content, and more closely align with the code that generate developer docs and sample config. converging the code to a source makes it easier to remove inconsistencies | 21:19 |
| rockyg | The documentation is there, but it doesn't really 'splain it. | 21:19 |
| rockyg | Yeah. One truth is more likely correct than multiple sources of truth | 21:20 |
| rbradfor | it's all intertwined as I am finding out. | 21:20 |
| rbradfor | having a means of generating the actual code content consistently, then puts more back on the documentators to format around that, different guides, master sections etc. | 21:21 |
| rockyg | Yeah. And those sample configs generated....ops would love that straightened out, too. | 21:21 |
| rockyg | Plus, you get quicker feedback from docs folks if something isn't clear to them. | 21:22 |
| rockyg | Shortens the feedback loop | 21:22 |
| rockyg | That's excellent. Also, I suspect at least some of what is happening for this release can be used more "standalone" as tools for ops on earlier releases | 21:24 |
| rbradfor | so, sample configs is from my work across a few projects, hugely inconsistent. | 21:24 |
| rbradfor | I believe there is more a goal to have these as part of docs, instead of in the code base. | 21:25 |
| rbradfor | I'm all for that, as it would be a more consistent location. | 21:25 |
| rockyg | Oh, yeah. About a year, year and a half ago there was tons of bitching about those. Problem was the projects needed to update in a different location when they changed something. So, they were always out of date. | 21:25 |
| rbradfor | and as you point out, having it each cycle enables the simple diff command to be your friend. | 21:26 |
| rbradfor | it's just yet another thing to want to make consistent and work through projects with it. | 21:26 |
| rockyg | Hmm. That's interesting. Opts located in docs.... | 21:26 |
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| rbradfor | sample configs in docs | 21:27 |
| rbradfor | which FYI are linkable (and therefore clickable) in the developer docs. | 21:27 |
| rbradfor | how are they in the manuals now? | 21:27 |
| rockyg | Oh, wow. You're gonna get sick of me saying wow. | 21:28 |
| rbradfor | its logical. now getting it done, that's political. | 21:28 |
| rockyg | They are mostly just in tables in the manuals. Just words. No hyperlinks | 21:28 |
| rockyg | You've gotta have a crossproject session at the summit. | 21:29 |
| rbradfor | what I'm also proposing for the docs, it would take zero extra time to also produce a sample config that manuals could injest if wanted. | 21:29 |
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| rockyg | So, what's the political part? | 21:30 |
| rbradfor | political in having all projects follow a set way of doing things. | 21:30 |
| rockyg | That's what cross project team is for. | 21:30 |
| rbradfor | as a side issue for example, projects should have migrated from oslo incubator to oslo libraries (releases ago), a number of (including TC approved projects have not) | 21:30 |
| rbradfor | agreed, but saying to do something and seeing it done would from my limited time around be very different things | 21:31 |
| rockyg | The spec goes to them, gets finalized, then we start getting project specs and bps added to it. | 21:31 |
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| rbradfor | that incubator point FWIW, is needed to push through standard logging format strings across projects | 21:31 |
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| rockyg | Oh, yes. Frinstance: glance v2 won't make it into nova this release. I think it's 4-6 releases and counting. Cinder v2, also. | 21:32 |
| rockyg | So, which projects are still using the incubator oslo_log? | 21:33 |
| rbradfor | so, there are several consistency things, they don't result in huge visible wins for operators, but are the foundation for more work. | 21:34 |
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| rbradfor | solum is one of them. it also lacked oslo.context (the important meaty bits) | 21:34 |
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| rbradfor | oslo.context chnage in solum just merged this week, log is getting there. | 21:34 |
| rockyg | Just knowing they're in the pipeline will make ops happier. Many skip a release between each upgrade, so they see the changes faster in some ways. | 21:35 |
| rbradfor | the next is Manila (that uses incubutor oslo context) | 21:35 |
| rockyg | Ah. | 21:35 |
| rockyg | More important for manila. | 21:35 |
| rockyg | Solum is close to single vendor. | 21:35 |
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| rbradfor | yeah, after the cutoff of oslo libraries for Mitaka (which is today), that's one of my top priorities (as I want it for a logging blueprint I'm working on) | 21:36 |
| rockyg | In fact, some of the TC thought it was dead until the past couple of weeks. | 21:36 |
| rockyg | Excellent! So, I have some good news around that, too. | 21:37 |
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| rockyg | Oslo has not been part of the roadmapping effort. But, I'm the CPL to get the infor for the roadmap from Oslo. and it's easy since you guys freeze early. | 21:38 |
| rockyg | We can highlight the efforts/timeline to get all projects onboard/up to date. | 21:38 |
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| rockyg | It might also serve to attract more dev attention through vendors who realize that some things move faster because of it. | 21:39 |
| rockyg | So, should I let you go to deal with deadlines? The one thing I'd love to see is a better description of what the default logformat gets you by way of an example. And how you specify syslog format.... | 21:40 |
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| rbradfor | rockyg, so for developers I've started to include examples of logging output, see http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/usage.html#olso-logging-functions (later example) | 21:44 |
| rbradfor | it's a pre-cursor to a more specific example that includes the differ types across nova for example (that passes instance info). | 21:44 |
| rockyg | Kewl! | 21:45 |
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| rbradfor | there needs to be more info on the actual possible attributes in the format strings (e.g. %(request_id), %(instance), even %(color). this is likely better in an operational document. | 21:46 |
| rockyg | I've told some folks that I have to get the reqIDs in log message spec out so I'm committed to it. We'll see if I can get it done before the summit. Hope to. | 21:46 |
| rockyg | Agreed. | 21:46 |
| rbradfor | yes, that's an example. | 21:47 |
| rbradfor | I'm working on the app agnositic parameters spec/bp. This is needed to provide both a consistency and a flexibility of the options in a logging string. There are several novaisms (as described in code). | 21:48 |
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| rbradfor | something to work towards for next cycle to have a operator docs portion (in say config reference) that can actually tell you what you can set and change) | 21:48 |
| rockyg | Oh, fyi, the ops folks have specifically said they want place holders [-] when an option is not used so parsing can be consistent. I don't know if that made it anywhere as a bit of lore/knowledge or not | 21:49 |
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| rbradfor | I'd like to know more on that. | 21:49 |
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| rbradfor | because specifically there are situations of a single [-], or [- - - - -] (5 for unknown user identity, or - for not specified), my earlier link actually shows these | 21:50 |
| rbradfor | but it's only for "context" details, not for all values | 21:50 |
| rockyg | Mainly, just don't drop a log message field if not in use or not pertinent. Fill it with - so the message parser doesn't have to be as complex. | 21:50 |
| rbradfor | well, actual examples of messages people see now, makes it easier for me to understand, and then vett if it's a specific release issue and no longer a problem. | 21:51 |
| rockyg | The other thing they bitched about was when a log message was passed inside another and all the duplications that arose in the payload from that, plus really long log messages | 21:51 |
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| rbradfor | I only have demo devstack environments, and I don't see the worst of these. Some will be project specific, but you should just start a etherpad and ask for real contributions (minus any company specifics) | 21:52 |
| rockyg | I can and will certainly do that. I have some of that from old summit sessions, but will open up a new etherpad to collect up more. | 21:53 |
| rbradfor | also, with regards to the [-], operators should provide the actual logging_context_format_string value used in the project also, because projects historically are inconsistent here. | 21:53 |
| rbradfor | if it was just mentioned, good to get people to be active again. | 21:54 |
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| rockyg | there is another big painpoint in that there are certain times when an exception happens that puts megabytes to gigabytes into a single log message. How to circumvent that from happening may take a bit of digging for more info, but I might be able to track down the specific ops who related the info. | 21:54 |
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| rockyg | Yeah. And with summit coming up, now is the time to get ops' attention and feedback. | 21:55 |
| rbradfor | I'm just guessing here, but it's the repetition of the exception trace that's the problem. | 21:55 |
| rbradfor | some error 1000 times with 1000 traces of x lines. | 21:55 |
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| rbradfor | how do you create a "reasonable threshold" of repeating messages, a lot like linux does (saying "message" repeated n times) in syslog | 21:56 |
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| rbradfor | I could only surmise that would be really hard btw. | 21:57 |
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| rockyg | Actually, it's not that hard, but the ops guys seemed to think the problem was more like a core dump into the log message rather than repeating. The repeating ones repeat nicely. | 21:58 |
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| rockyg | Thousands to millions of times. | 21:58 |
| rbradfor | something to be had sitting with a real operator to see what they see | 21:59 |
| rockyg | I've been socializing the idea of take a dev to work | 21:59 |
| rockyg | To the ops community. | 21:59 |
| rockyg | We can make that happen for you... | 21:59 |
| rbradfor | I've got a lot of code work ahead of me, I've only been at it full-time for a few months. lots to learn. | 22:00 |
| rockyg | Ah! time. Anything you want to get in quick? We can make the ops thing happen whenever you're ready. | 22:00 |
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| rbradfor | happy to listen to operators (I was one myself), but I can see without talking to them, some important foundational work needs to be done so I could legitimately say, I see that and I can fix that. | 22:01 |
| rbradfor | time to get back to it! | 22:01 |
| rockyg | Yup. Same here. The more I dig, the more I see missing ;-) | 22:01 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 22:01 |
| rockyg | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 22:01:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-02-24-21.06.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-02-24-21.06.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-02-24-21.06.log.html | 22:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | Good morning all | 22:10 |
| JRobinson__ | We'll start the User Guide meeting for today | 22:10 |
| lwilliams_ | Hi Joseph o/ | 22:10 |
| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 22:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 22:11:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:11 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 22:11 |
| JRobinson__ | lwilliams_, hello! o/ | 22:11 |
| lwilliams_ | good morning to you! | 22:11 |
| JRobinson__ | and good afternoon :) | 22:11 |
| JRobinson__ | Apologies for the delay, I had trouble connecting a different computer to this meeting channel | 22:11 |
| lwilliams_ | oh no worries! | 22:12 |
| gmolson_ | Hi! | 22:12 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson_, good afternoon o/ | 22:12 |
| * rockyg waves from the back | 22:13 | |
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| lwilliams_ | hi rockyg! | 22:13 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Dashboard patches complete, Command Line Chapter goal | 22:13 |
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| JRobinson__ | rockyg, o/ | 22:13 |
| rockyg | o/ | 22:13 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282970/ | 22:15 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^With the two patchs merged, the dashboard giles are copied over now | 22:15 |
| JRobinson__ | ^files | 22:15 |
| lwilliams_ | nice! | 22:16 |
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| JRobinson__ | That leaves the command line chapters in the Admin User Guide to create a space for in the Cloud Admin Guide | 22:16 |
| gmolson_ | yay o/ | 22:16 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Next is create a Command line Chapter with index.rst file | 22:17 |
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| JRobinson__ | I've written out this as an action item since that seems to be the next logical step - creating cli-index.rst or similar file for tieing all the disparate cli chapters into a new section | 22:18 |
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| gmolson_ | JRobinson, ok, cool. Are you still thinking of pulling that OpenStack command-line clients section structure in the Admin User Guide, as-is into the Cloud Admin Guide? | 22:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson_, yes the first step would be copying as-is. Changing the structure is a goal for the next release cycle, I think. | 22:20 |
| gmolson_ | Do you know what the future goal of revising structure is about? | 22:21 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson_, I don't have a clear goal on that yet, no. | 22:22 |
| gmolson_ | ok, gotcha. thanks. | 22:22 |
| JRobinson__ | It's a bit more nebulous at the moment. The sub step to get to the point of forming a goal on improved structure is finding out how readers actually read and consult the user guides | 22:23 |
| JRobinson__ | the OpenStack foundation's User Survey from late last year is a useful starting point for that. | 22:23 |
| JRobinson__ | Anyway, | 22:24 |
| gmolson_ | right - ok. thanks. | 22:24 |
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| JRobinson__ | #action Copy OpenStack command-line clients section from Admin to Cloud Admin | 22:24 |
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| JRobinson__ | #action Add the cli related steps to the Task List | 22:26 |
| JRobinson__ | ^I'll get onto that after the meeting | 22:26 |
| JRobinson__ | So that was all I had for this week | 22:26 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 22:26 |
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| JRobinson__ | Questions or comments ? | 22:26 |
| gmolson_ | I can work on creating the cli-index.rst file | 22:27 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson_, thank you, that's great | 22:27 |
| gmolson_ | Sure! I don't have anything else to discuss today... | 22:28 |
| lwilliams_ | neither do I... thanks. | 22:28 |
| JRobinson__ | Okay, but any questions for the guides are okay now, or emailing me is fine. I sent a message out to the docs mailing list yesterday on this meeting. | 22:29 |
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| JRobinson__ | we can call it there then. Thanks everyone o/ | 22:29 |
| lwilliams_ | sounds good | 22:29 |
| lwilliams_ | o/ | 22:29 |
| JRobinson__ | shorter meeting today. | 22:29 |
| gmolson_ | have a great day, Joseph! | 22:29 |
| rockyg | bye! | 22:29 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson_, thanks you too o/ | 22:30 |
| JRobinson__ | rockyg, o/ bye for now | 22:30 |
| gmolson_ | o/ | 22:30 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 22:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 22:30:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-24-22.11.html | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-24-22.11.txt | 22:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-24-22.11.log.html | 22:30 |
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| asalkeld | mandre: SamYaple we are normally in here? | 23:03 |
| asalkeld | shrug, i don't have anything - just the novelty of a meeting I can attend :-O | 23:04 |
| mandre | asalkeld: that's what https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla says | 23:04 |
| mandre | let's wait a few more minutes, then we'll cancel it if nobody shows up | 23:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hello everyone, I'll start the APAC user guide meeting in a minute | 23:31 |
| berndbausch | good morning | 23:31 |
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| JRobinson__ | berndbausch, good morning o/ | 23:33 |
| JRobinson__ | #meetingstart docuserguides | 23:33 |
| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 23:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 23:33:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 23:33 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^sorry, had the irc bot syntax backwards. | 23:34 |
| JRobinson__ | Anyway, good morning all | 23:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | It's a short agenda today | 23:34 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Dashboard patches are done. Next is create a Command line Chapter with index.rst file | 23:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | berndbausch, thanks for completing the second dashboard patch. That merged rapidly | 23:35 |
| JRobinson__ | I spoke to the US team members early today, and gmolson is going to create an cli-index.rst chapter | 23:35 |
| JRobinson__ | #info copying the cli content from the admin to the cloud admin guide is set to begin within the next few days | 23:35 |
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| berndbausch | jrobinson: This one? http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide-admin/cli.html | 23:37 |
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| JRobinson__ | Yes, the plan is to move that section across. | 23:38 |
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| JRobinson__ | berndbausch, Having a new .rst file to copy the items into is a bit easier in this case - there is a target, or a place to copy the filenames into. | 23:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | So that was all for the reorganisation: combining the guides for this meeting | 23:46 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic open discussion | 23:46 |
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| JRobinson__ | Any questions or comment for this week? | 23:46 |
| JRobinson__ | #action JRobinson__ to update the task list | 23:47 |
| berndbausch | my only question was "what next". It's answered. | 23:47 |
| berndbausch | If the CLI chapters are as easy to move as the dashboard ones, it's going to be quick. | 23:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | berndbausch, that's good, and after the cli items moved, the final tasks are checking for any files that may have been left over, | 23:48 |
| JRobinson__ | and then working through the task list before April 15 | 23:49 |
| JRobinson__ | ^The Cloud Admin Guide has several places that need editing | 23:49 |
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| JRobinson__ | If that's all, I'll call it for this week | 23:51 |
| berndbausch | Thanks | 23:52 |
| JRobinson__ | np | 23:53 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 23:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 23:53:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-24-23.33.html | 23:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-24-23.33.txt | 23:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-24-23.33.log.html | 23:53 |
| JRobinson__ | berndbausch, thanks again | 23:53 |
| berndbausch | :) | 23:53 |
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