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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 13:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| tojuvone | Hi | 13:00 |
| gmann_ | hi | 13:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:01 |
| sfinucan | o/ | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 13:01 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | hello everyone, and let's start the meeting | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic API Priorities | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Priorities (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:01 | |
| *** iberezovskiy_ is now known as iberezovskiy | 13:01 | |
| alex_xu | For API ref, I think the framework already merged | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: any more update for api ref, I didn't see anything more yet | 13:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:02 |
| sdague | we're still working on the converter and the initial dump | 13:02 |
| sdague | I'm hoping we'll have a new dump of files this week | 13:03 |
| sdague | that will be close enough to run with | 13:03 |
| sdague | auggy and karen are doing the various converters there | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | converters should a hard work | 13:03 |
| sdague | and the sphinx extension will probably need some updates to match the new data format | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the WADL to rst? | 13:04 |
| sdague | yeh, but they are quite close | 13:04 |
| sdague | yes | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 13:04 |
| sdague | it's actually 2 bits | 13:04 |
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| sdague | there is a wadl2rst project that is making the rst stubs | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | cool | 13:04 |
| sdague | then a different bit of modified fairy slipper which builds the parameters.yaml | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK, got it | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | after that, then we probably can try some microversion doc | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | sounds cool | 13:05 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300264/ | 13:05 |
| sdague | as an example of some of the parameter dumps | 13:06 |
| gmann_ | yea, that will be nice but have we decided the doc structure for microversion? | 13:06 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: that is autogenerated ? | 13:06 |
| sdague | gmann_: those files are | 13:06 |
| sdague | from the wadl sources | 13:06 |
| gmann_ | sdague: ohh, cool | 13:07 |
| sdague | so, on microversions, the current POC is that parameters introduced at certain versions are tagged as such | 13:07 |
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| sdague | and that adds some css that makes it easy to hide them | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we can do a similar tag for removals? | 13:08 |
| sdague | right | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | we also have new api and removed api, but i guess that won't be hard | 13:08 |
| sdague | honestly, I have some vague ideas here but it's hard to really POC that until we get more of our content into a maleable format | 13:08 |
| oomichi | sdague: as the doc, will we write URLs with project-id or without project-id? | 13:09 |
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| * johnthetubaguy is excited he can ee glimmers of light at the end of the tunnel | 13:09 | |
| sdague | oomichi: for right now, project-id is still in | 13:09 |
| oomichi | sdague: oh, ok. | 13:09 |
| sdague | lets decide about when we stop having it there after we get all the content in place | 13:09 |
| oomichi | sdague: yeah, +1 | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 13:10 |
| gmann_ | sdague: oomichi but doc for v 2.18 onwards we can hide | 13:10 |
| gmann_ | yea, that we can decide later. | 13:11 |
| sdague | gmann_: right, but we need to be careful how we explain all that to users so it's not hugely confusing | 13:11 |
| sdague | I've got the rough structure of an introduction to urls and versions in my head that should go into the API ref document, but I want to wait until we've got the stub content over | 13:11 |
| gmann_ | yea that's key point | 13:11 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | ok, sounds cool at here, if no more question, let's move on | 13:12 |
| sdague | +1 move on | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | for another priority item is policy discoverable, but i guess Andrew and claudio_ not here | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | two specs i saw at here | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/289405 | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/290155 | 13:13 |
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| sdague | it's early for laski, claudio is in this TZ, maybe we can poke him to join next time | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there was discussion in channel | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I really like us moving the policy defaults into the code | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | From the discussion, the embed policy one sounds good, the policy api one have some discussion how to present it. | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | sdague: +1 | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so folks run with an empty policy config file | 13:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and we can generate a sample file, with all the rules commented out | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we get that done this cycle, I think we are in a better position | 13:15 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 13:15 |
| sdague | yeh, agreed | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was talking to dolph and he supported the idea, seems like jaminelennox liked it too | 13:16 |
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| sdague | I believe that most of the keystone folks are on board with it | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure they agree which release that happens in, but yeah, seems to be a good level of agreement on that | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | sdague: that is good news | 13:16 |
| sdague | so, honestly, I think from a feature perspective we should focus on that one this cycle | 13:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 13:16 |
| sdague | because I think if we got us all involved there, we could maybe get it done in a cycle | 13:17 |
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| sdague | and it would be nice to have everyone working on nova api stuff working on kind of the same feature and making progress | 13:17 |
| sdague | alex_xu, gmann_ what do you think? | 13:17 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: yea, i'm in | 13:18 |
| gmann_ | sdague: totally agree. +1 | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am hoping some of the OSIC folks might have time to help with the policy heavy lifting | 13:18 |
| sdague | so next step please provide review on the specs. Lets try to get those close by summit | 13:18 |
| sdague | we're going to have a dedicated session there on them | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am trying to write up my crazy thoughts around moving to oslo_config for the policy stuff, it seems less crazy when I think about it more | 13:19 |
| gmann_ | yea that will be nice, hope that session does not conflict with QA ones:) | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: +1, a lot of folks from OSIC :) | 13:19 |
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| sdague | gmann_: we can work with oomichi to make sure | 13:20 |
| mriedem | hmm | 13:20 |
| gmann_ | yea, oomichi is here for that. | 13:20 |
| mriedem | right now where i have it penciled in for nova it does, we'll have to adjust that | 13:20 |
| mriedem | last 2 sessions on wed | 13:20 |
| mriedem | we can move some though | 13:20 |
| oomichi | nova sessions always run on the summit.. | 13:21 |
| oomichi | yeah, we can arrange it | 13:21 |
| mriedem | thurs morning might work | 13:21 |
| mriedem | there are no QA sessions on thurs until 11:50 | 13:21 |
| mriedem | oomichi: should we plan on thurs morning then? | 13:22 |
| mriedem | 9 and 9:50 | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | the api was in Wed | 13:22 |
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| oomichi | mriedem: can we talk about it later, need to check my sched more | 13:22 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: i just moved it | 13:23 |
| mriedem | oomichi: sure | 13:23 |
| oomichi | mriedem: thanks | 13:23 |
| mriedem | fyi https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 13:23 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yea, i just saw that | 13:23 |
| mriedem | bottom of there is the draft nova schedule | 13:23 |
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| gmann_ | yea Thurs morning is nice | 13:23 |
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| sdague | ok, cool, next topic? | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | cool, oomichi, if you get detail from you sched, you probably can reach to mriedem directly | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | #topic Nova Microversion testing in Tempest | 13:25 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: your turn | 13:25 |
| gmann_ | sure | 13:26 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: yeah, will do that | 13:26 |
| gmann_ | so v2.10 tests are merged and running in gate | 13:26 |
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| gmann_ | v2.20 one i need to update. | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: mriedem, thanks | 13:26 |
| gmann_ | So overall we have all framework in and doc also how to implement microversion tests | 13:26 |
| gmann_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/microversion_testing.html | 13:26 |
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| oomichi | gmann_: cool | 13:26 |
| gmann_ | hope i documented those well | 13:27 |
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| gmann_ | so we can start implementing all now. | 13:27 |
| mriedem | are those going in order? | 13:27 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: where is > v2.20, it needs more people to help on? | 13:27 |
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| gmann_ | I will keep implementing those and try to finish all M version in N cycle at least | 13:27 |
| oomichi | gmann_: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/microversion_testing.html#microversion-tests-implemented-in-tempest doesn't contain v2.10 | 13:27 |
| gmann_ | oomichi: ops, i will add :) nice catch | 13:28 |
| oomichi | need to fix later ;) | 13:28 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea that will be always nice, if we get more people on that | 13:28 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks | 13:29 |
| alex_xu | but i think if people are interesting on that, free to help on that | 13:29 |
| gmann_ | only hard thing there can be response schema versioning | 13:29 |
| cdent | Is there a spec or document somewhere that describes why microversion testing in tempest versus in functional or otherwise in-tree tests? | 13:29 |
| sdague | cdent: can you rephrase the question? | 13:30 |
| sdague | because I'm not sure I understand the alternative | 13:30 |
| cdent | The essential question is: Why test multiple microversions in tempest? | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so i intended to describe that here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/test_strategy.html | 13:31 |
| gmann_ | cdent: we have tempest spec which describe the testing need in tempest but not exactly the things vs in-tree | 13:31 |
| gmann_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/qa-specs/blob/master/specs/tempest/implemented/api-microversions-testing-support.rst | 13:31 |
| cdent | With the secondary question of: How is it better than having those tests in functional tests? | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, wait, thats a different question, we did write that somewhere | 13:31 |
| cdent | thanks gmann_ | 13:31 |
| sdague | cdent: ok, so example. We add a parameter to a resource in 2.25 | 13:31 |
| sdague | are you suggesting that tempest now only tests that resource with the new parameter? | 13:31 |
| sdague | which means now tempest fails on all clouds not on 2.25? | 13:32 |
| cdent | I'm not really suggesting anything in particular, just trying to get a more clear picture. | 13:32 |
| sdague | tempest is a test suite that tests all active branches of openstack | 13:32 |
| cdent | If anything I would expect tempest to do microversion discovery on the cloud in question and "do the righ tthing" | 13:32 |
| sdague | which is kind of what it does | 13:33 |
| gmann_ | cdent: along with single project version tests, tempest microversion testing can help in cross projects microversion testing too | 13:33 |
| gmann_ | i mean conbination of microversion supported by different services | 13:33 |
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| sdague | there are specific tests that are annotated for the microversions that they work on, and are only run if you specify your cloud is supposed to work with those | 13:34 |
| cdent | What my brain is attempting to clarify is if tempest is attempting to validate artibtrary clouds against multiple microversions when it runs. | 13:34 |
| cdent | Sounds like it is doing something akin to the right thing, so that's cool. | 13:34 |
| sdague | right | 13:34 |
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| gmann_ | yea | 13:34 |
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| sdague | I honestly feel like jay just sent a random email about it without looking into what was actually happening | 13:35 |
| sdague | we did think this through a bit :) | 13:35 |
| gmann_ | :) | 13:35 |
| cdent | The overlap or lack thereof with in-tree tests is still something I'd like to know more about but if that can come from something I can read that would be great. | 13:36 |
| cdent | Oh, I wasn't even thinking about jay's email, I had forgotten about that. | 13:36 |
| sdague | sorry, your question was very much like his email | 13:36 |
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| cdent | The genesis of this was latent "we should really let old stuff break more often, people are resilient" | 13:36 |
| sdague | cdent: our experience is that they aren't :) | 13:37 |
| cdent | s/are/(should be|must be)/ | 13:37 |
| * cdent is mean | 13:37 | |
| sdague | yeh, that just drives people to other platforms | 13:37 |
| * cdent holds his tongue so as not to distract the topic even more | 13:38 | |
| sdague | :) | 13:38 |
| sdague | beer talk | 13:38 |
| gmann_ | heh | 13:38 |
| oomichi | this is logged ;) | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | ok, so that means let move on? :) | 13:38 |
| cdent | :) | 13:38 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yep | 13:38 |
| gmann_ | yea, we can move i think, | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:38 |
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| alex_xu | Spec review for project_id validation with keystone: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294337/ | 13:39 |
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| alex_xu | mriedem: your turn | 13:39 |
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| cdent | so vaguely related to previous topic: sileht has figured out how to make gabbi work with tempest, which might be relevant for future api-in-tempest work if people are into that sort of thing | 13:39 |
| mriedem | i don't have much to say about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294337/ - i'm just advertising it here | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: or it is just a review request | 13:40 |
| mriedem | when i went through it there were several times that i said, 'you should probably ask the api subteam about this' | 13:40 |
| mriedem | it is a re-proposal from a previously approved spec and auggy is picking it up | 13:40 |
| gmann_ | cdent: oh, do you have any link,poc etc for that. anyways let's catch that later | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: ok, cool, i remember was approved long time ago, it's worth to revisit again | 13:40 |
| mriedem | and there are a bunch of bugs that have been duplicated against this, so it is semi priority from a UX perspective | 13:40 |
| sdague | mriedem: how do we have enough credentials to do this for quota changes, for instance? | 13:41 |
| cdent | gmann_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301585/ | 13:41 |
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| mriedem | sdague: not sure i understand your question | 13:41 |
| sdague | how do we know if a project_id is valid without giving nova keystone admin credentials | 13:42 |
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| sdague | which... let nova delete arbitrary users as well | 13:42 |
| mriedem | sdague: that's part of the proposed change | 13:42 |
| mriedem | see the security impact section | 13:42 |
| sdague | do we have keystone folks looking at that spec yet? | 13:43 |
| mriedem | it's not proposing admin creds, from what i can tell, it's more of a service account | 13:43 |
| mriedem | i added bknudson | 13:43 |
| mriedem | but i haven't been loud about it in their channel yet | 13:44 |
| sdague | it would be interesting to understand the implications of asking for an existance test for normal users | 13:44 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to get some keystone people to review spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294337/ | 13:44 |
| sdague | GET /project_id/444444444444444 | 13:44 |
| sdague | being always an allowed thing | 13:44 |
| sdague | I wonder how bad the security would be on that | 13:45 |
| mriedem | yes, and since we have default quotas we return them if the project doesn't exist | 13:45 |
| mriedem | even worse, we create stuff in the nova db quotas tables for the invalid id | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | if that return a 403 or something like that... | 13:45 |
| sdague | I mean on the keystone side | 13:45 |
| bknudson | nova has a service user so we can use that (although I think it's given admin by default) | 13:45 |
| sdague | bknudson: ok, maybe this is the audit role | 13:45 |
| sdague | or something | 13:45 |
| sdague | because we are litterally asking for 2 things. Is this project_id valid, is this user_id valid | 13:46 |
| sdague | we don't even need info about them | 13:46 |
| sdague | we just need to know they exist | 13:46 |
| bknudson | this is for cases where the user is referencing another user or a different project? | 13:46 |
| sdague | yes | 13:47 |
| bknudson | because if it's the same user or the scope of the project it's in the token | 13:47 |
| sdague | where the admin is adjusting quota, for instance | 13:47 |
| sdague | that's the canonical case | 13:47 |
| bknudson | sounds easy enough | 13:47 |
| sdague | but there are some other ones where the admin is doing a thing to a user's resource | 13:47 |
| sdague | and it's really easy to typo the user_id | 13:48 |
| sdague | and end up not doing the thing you expect | 13:48 |
| sdague | and not knowing until way down the road | 13:48 |
| mriedem | i don't think it's all admin | 13:48 |
| sdague | bknudson: maybe just pile on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294337 | 13:48 |
| mriedem | e.g. "compute_extension:quotas:show": "rule:admin_or_owner", | 13:48 |
| sdague | mriedem: sure, but owner is easy | 13:49 |
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| mriedem | umm | 13:50 |
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| mriedem | "os_compute_api:os-quota-sets:defaults": "@", | 13:50 |
| mriedem | that takes a project id | 13:50 |
| mriedem | and anyone can run it | 13:50 |
| sdague | but, you can't change another users' thing if you aren't the admin | 13:51 |
| sdague | it's caught later | 13:51 |
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| mriedem | i think defaults probably doesn't matter anyway | 13:51 |
| mriedem | since that's the global defaults i think | 13:51 |
| sdague | the crux of the problem is really an admin or super prived user in nova doesn't mean it's keystone admin | 13:51 |
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| sdague | super prived nova user should be able to ask whether certain keystone things exist though | 13:52 |
| sdague | conceptually | 13:52 |
| sdague | then this becomes just code in nova | 13:52 |
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| sdague | but I think that's keystone changes to make it sane | 13:52 |
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| * breton -1d the spec | 13:53 | |
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| sdague | breton: I don't understand how your suggestion fixes anything | 13:54 |
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| mriedem | i don't either, i replied inline | 13:56 |
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| mriedem | let's move this to the spec | 13:56 |
| mriedem | bknudson: can you take a look at that one at some point? | 13:56 |
| bknudson | mriedem: yep, it's on my short list | 13:56 |
| mriedem | thanks | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | so any more opens, otherwise we will close the meeting in 3 mins | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | 3... | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | 2.. | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | 1. | 13:57 |
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| alex_xu | ok, thanks for all! | 13:58 |
| gmann_ | Thanks all | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 13:58:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
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| jed56 | hi everyone | 14:00 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| AndChat|176409 | Hi | 14:00 |
| tkaczynski | hi | 14:00 |
| jed56 | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#04.2F06.2F2016 | 14:00 |
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| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jed56 | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| tkaczynski | is jed56 the new acabot? :) | 14:01 |
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| jed56 | tkaczynski: acabot is in holidays :) | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | Hi | 14:01 |
| jed56 | #info we released Watcher mitika-rc-final yesterday with some delay with official schedule. | 14:02 |
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| jed56 | The April 1st was finally a joke ;) | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | great job everybody | 14:02 |
| alexchadin | Great! | 14:02 |
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| jed56 | The RC-final details are available at #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/mitaka-rc-final | 14:02 |
| jed56 | There is three new watcher packages | 14:02 |
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| jed56 | watcher v0.26.0 python-watcherclient v0.22.0 and finally watcher-dashboard v0.2.0 | 14:02 |
| jed56 | The documentation of watcher has been updated (0.26.0) #link https://factory.b-com.com/www/watcher/doc/watcher/index.html | 14:03 |
| jed56 | thanks everyboy! | 14:03 |
| jed56 | everybody | 14:03 |
| jed56 | any other announcement ? | 14:03 |
| sballe_ | the slides for the summit are close to being done. I have an Intel person review the slides next week | 14:04 |
| jed56 | sballe_: great! you share again the link please | 14:05 |
| jed56 | can | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | let me find it | 14:05 |
| jed56 | thanks | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | Here it is: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pGaimFOkpZ66bWH8wWkc5eZLvxFovUj2V3YfZsQMKHE/edit#slide=id.p4 | 14:05 |
| tkaczynski | it would be good to share some agenda for the summit, especially in context of watcher | 14:06 |
| tkaczynski | where/when do we meet etc. | 14:06 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: yes it is a good idea, can we organize when acabot will return ? | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | so my understanding is that we were going ot meet on Tuesday afternoon. But I agree let's have acabot organize that agenda | 14:07 |
| tkaczynski | of course, as long as this happens before the summit | 14:07 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: yes of course :) | 14:07 |
| jed56 | #topic Review Action Items | 14:08 |
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| jed56 | There are many specifications which have been reviewed several times. IMHO, we can merge some of them to start the implementation. | 14:08 |
| jed56 | I would like that these specifications are merged as soon as possible: | 14:08 |
| jed56 | Watcher Scoring Module #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:08 |
| jed56 | Provide efficacy indicators #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ | 14:08 |
| jed56 | Add Overload standard deviation #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ | 14:08 |
| tkaczynski | jed56 +2 ! | 14:08 |
| jed56 | Who could take some time to look at these reviews in priority, please ? | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | I will review the scoring engine today | 14:09 |
| jed56 | sballe_: awesome! | 14:09 |
| tkaczynski | I can have a look at the other two if my limited knowledge helps | 14:09 |
| sballe_ | it takes a long to to review because it is big so I wont; get to the next on euntil tomorrow | 14:10 |
| jed56 | #action sballe review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:10 |
| vincentfrancoise | I'll try and review some of them as well | 14:10 |
| gzhai2 | I can review Provide efficacy indicators | 14:10 |
| jed56 | #action tkaczynski reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ | 14:11 |
| jed56 | #action ghzai2 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ | 14:11 |
| jed56 | We also need to have more more reviews for on Airflow event based migration strategy #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:11 |
| jed56 | tpeoplesvacation: When you plan to send a new patchset for WIP: Cluster model objects wrapper https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | I will look at at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:12 |
| jed56 | #action tpeoplesvacation send a new patchset WIP: Cluster model objects wrapper https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:12 |
| jed56 | #action sballe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:12 |
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| jed56 | We have two new specs from Grigorios Katsaros that need first reviews | 14:13 |
| jed56 | Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center | 14:13 |
| jed56 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ | 14:13 |
| jed56 | Consolidation of multiple Action-plans into a single one | 14:13 |
| jed56 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/ | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | jed56: are these for now or later release? | 14:13 |
| jed56 | later release | 14:13 |
| jed56 | i think | 14:13 |
| jed56 | but this is my opinion | 14:14 |
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| sballe_ | I'll give link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ a quick loook but want to focus on things we want to get merged ASAP | 14:14 |
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| sballe_ | jed56: I agree with you on the later | 14:14 |
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| jed56 | sballe_: yes we should focus our effort | 14:15 |
| jed56 | Since we have released the watcher mitika final the specs are open for Newton | 14:15 |
| jed56 | #action acabot sballe jwcroppe review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301753/ | 14:15 |
| jed56 | #topic Blueprint/Bug | 14:15 |
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| alexchad_ | i've uploaded bug fix | 14:16 |
| alexchad_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301190/ | 14:16 |
| jed56 | Many bugs have been merged in mitika-rc-final thanks to everybody! | 14:16 |
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| jed56 | alexchad_: thanks i will take a look | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | :) | 14:17 |
| jed56 | We realized that the blueprint get-goal-from-strategy have some lacks in the specification. | 14:17 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: I gave it a +2 | 14:17 |
| jed56 | We will push a new patchset in the watcher-specs asap to tackle the issue of goal syncing and watcher DB schema for goal (the uuid and id problems). | 14:17 |
| * edleafe is fighting network connectivity today... | 14:17 | |
| jed56 | We noticed that the attribute id is used by oslo.db to handle soft delete feature. | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | and this one fix is coming very soon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1532843 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1532843 in watcher "Can create Audit with invalid parameters" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Alexander Chadin (joker946) | 14:18 |
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| jed56 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301774/ | 14:19 |
| jed56 | this is a WiP | 14:20 |
| jed56 | gzhai2 tpeoplesvacation we will add uuid and id https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301774/8/doc/source/images/get_goal_from_strategy_class_diagram.png,unified | 14:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: In this, we add back the ID and UUID just like tpeoplesvacation was requesting + clarified how we sync goals and strategies with the Watcher DB | 14:21 |
| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: Great! | 14:21 |
| jed56 | gzhai2: thanks for your reviews | 14:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | I actually started to work on making these changes | 14:22 |
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| vincentfrancoise | So you can work on your BP asap | 14:23 |
| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: My BP? | 14:23 |
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| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: yes https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/optimization-threshold | 14:25 |
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| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: you mean I rebased my patch against your patch set？ | 14:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: because your BP has a dependency on mine | 14:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | on yours* | 14:26 |
| gzhai2 | ok. you mean change the spec accroding to your spec, right? | 14:26 |
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| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: when I will be done, yes | 14:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: no just your code I mean | 14:27 |
| gzhai2 | got it. | 14:27 |
| jed56 | any other bugs or blueprints ? | 14:27 |
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| jed56 | okay let's continue | 14:29 |
| jed56 | #topic open discussion | 14:29 |
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| jed56 | We have to postpone some blueprints and bugs from mitaka to newton. | 14:30 |
| jed56 | Do we need to retarget blueprints from Mitaka to Newton in watcher-specs ? | 14:30 |
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| jed56 | IMHO, every can move his own blueprint to newton | 14:30 |
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| jed56 | *everybody | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:31 |
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| gzhai2 | ok | 14:31 |
| jed56 | you can rebase your patchset to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301753/ | 14:31 |
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| jed56 | or you can wait that this patchset is merge | 14:31 |
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| jed56 | #action acabot sballe jwcroppe review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301753/ | 14:32 |
| jed56 | Before the Openstack Summit in AUSTIN, we should run a battery of tests on watcher to be sure that everything is working (Watcher and the available strategies). | 14:32 |
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| jed56 | Who could take some time to deploy on test watcher on their own infrastructure ? | 14:32 |
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| vincentfrancoise | I actually test every single changeset against a multinode devstack | 14:34 |
| jed56 | vincentfrancoise: did you try every strategies ? | 14:34 |
| vincentfrancoise | Yes apart from the outlet temp one since I don't have the IPMI metrics | 14:34 |
| gzhai2 | I can cover outlet temperature strategy | 14:34 |
| sballe_ | gzhai2: +1 | 14:35 |
| jed56 | #action gzhai2 test watcher with outlet temperature strategy | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | I try strategies sometime | 14:35 |
| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: You need one Node Manager machine:) | 14:35 |
| vincentfrancoise | for the vm_workload_conslidation, I just ran it once | 14:35 |
| jed56 | What is the strategy we wants to show at Openstack Summit ? | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | I have test cluster with 4 nodes | 14:35 |
| vincentfrancoise | only 2 nodes on my side | 14:36 |
| jed56 | alexchadin: great! how many VMs ? | 14:36 |
| alexchadin | now about 10, can raise up to 100 | 14:36 |
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| vincentfrancoise | I am currently waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299809/ to be merged so we can have mutinode tempest tests on the gate | 14:36 |
| alexchadin | it's just work env | 14:36 |
| jed56 | #action acabot organize the agenda for the Openstack Summit (where/when/) | 14:37 |
| jed56 | someone wants to add something ? | 14:38 |
| gzhai2 | who can review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:39 |
| jed56 | #action jed56 vincentfrancoise https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:40 |
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| gzhai2 | thanks! | 14:41 |
| tkaczynski | #endmeeting :) | 14:42 |
| jed56 | yes i think so | 14:42 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:42 |
| jed56 | bye | 14:42 |
| jed56 | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 14:42:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-04-06-14.00.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-04-06-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-04-06-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
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| alexchadin | bye | 14:42 |
| tkaczynski | bye. thanks jed56 for being acabot today :) | 14:42 |
| gzhai2 | bye | 14:42 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:42 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: it something weird : ) | 14:42 |
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| tkaczynski | jed56 I can imagine :) | 14:43 |
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| sdake_ | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 16:30:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| sdake_ | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| vhosakot | o/ | 16:30 |
| akwasnie | hi | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:30 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:30 |
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| mandre | o/ | 16:31 |
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| rhallisey | hi | 16:32 |
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| sdake_ | giving it a ouple mins until everyone shows up :) | 16:32 |
| dave-mcc_ | o/ | 16:33 |
| sdake_ | #topic announcements | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:33 | |
| sdake_ | we have 14 slots at openstack summit | 16:33 |
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| sdake_ | 4 o them are fishbowl 10 are design sessions | 16:34 |
| sdake_ | this is a huge haul for us | 16:34 |
| sdake_ | we also have a full day contributor meetup to handle overflow | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | so please try to attend friday as well | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | tuesday is the operator summit, i'd suggest attending that, since those folks are our target audience | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | monday is ops summit | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | tuesday is cross project summit | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | if your a core reviwer and wont make it to summit please let me know | 16:36 |
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| sdake_ | #topic rc3 | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rc3 (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:36 | |
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| sdake_ | #undo | 16:36 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xb0f6a90> | 16:36 |
| sdake_ | #topic 2.0.0 | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2.0.0 (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:36 | |
| sdake_ | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/2.0.0 | 16:37 |
| sdake_ | lots of bugs to fix | 16:37 |
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| sdake_ | our original deadline is april 8th | 16:37 |
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| sdake_ | however, we are apparently release indepndent so we hae no official deadline | 16:37 |
| sdake_ | i'd rather get the release right then wrong | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | i find it unlikely we will finish the bugs left in the 2.0.0 release by friday | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | i | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | i propose slipping a week | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | to give us more time to solve these critical last minute problems | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | any thoughts? | 16:39 |
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| rhallisey | agree | 16:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | agreed. | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | no thoughts | 16:39 |
| akwasnie | agree | 16:40 |
| jpeeler | sounds good | 16:40 |
| vhosakot | slipping a week means end of day April 15th ? | 16:40 |
| mandre | also thinks it's better to polish the release | 16:40 |
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| sdake_ | vhosakot something like that | 16:40 |
| vhosakot | ok | 16:40 |
| sdake_ | in the meantime need people to stay focused on reviews | 16:40 |
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| sdake_ | so we can get the patches that are in progress in the queue merged and backported | 16:41 |
| sdake_ | also there are many ununowned bugs | 16:41 |
| sdake_ | anyone have spare cycles top ick some up? | 16:42 |
| rhallisey | ya I'll grab a few | 16:42 |
| vhosakot | sdake_: I will pick some | 16:43 |
| sdake_ | ok, only assign yourself if you think you can get it fixed by the 15th | 16:43 |
| mandre | I also should be able to pick some | 16:43 |
| sdake_ | there are some esy ones, like documenting /etc/hosts | 16:44 |
| sdake_ | and hard ones ;) | 16:44 |
| sdake_ | #topic backport plans | 16:44 |
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| sdake_ | the email thread kind of fizzled out | 16:45 |
| sdake_ | not sure what to do about that | 16:45 |
| sdake_ | here is what i' mthinking | 16:45 |
| sdake_ | inc0 is working on backports | 16:45 |
| pbourke- | I thought it was a go | 16:45 |
| sdake_ | he can continue to do so | 16:45 |
| sdake_ | pbourke- i think what the plan is is unknown atm :) | 16:45 |
| sdake_ | let inc0 focus on backport planning and sorting | 16:46 |
| sdake_ | and once he is done | 16:46 |
| sdake_ | as soon as we cut mitaka | 16:46 |
| sdake_ | we focus on the liberty backport as a team | 16:46 |
| sdake_ | distributing the work as necessary | 16:46 |
| sdake_ | i'd like mitaka done first, then liberty, all befoe summit starts ;) | 16:47 |
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| sdake_ | mission impossible ftw ;) | 16:48 |
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| vhosakot | have we finalized the list of things that will be back-ported.. I dont see it in inc0's latest mail http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/091045.html | 16:48 |
| sdake_ | vhosakot my plan was to copy mitaka to liberty | 16:48 |
| sdake_ | and then fix liberty to point at the correct locations for sources | 16:48 |
| vhosakot | ah cool | 16:48 |
| sdake_ | and modif ythe templates as necessary to make it work and revert the keystone bootstrap change | 16:48 |
| sdake_ | i think folks wer ein general agreement with this | 16:49 |
| sdake_ | this is pasth of least resistance | 16:49 |
| sdake_ | and leverages our testing on mitaka and liberty | 16:49 |
| sdake_ | it kind of makes 1.0.0 a dead tag | 16:49 |
| vhosakot | sdake_: we are not backporting upgrades.. right ? | 16:50 |
| sdake_ | copy everything | 16:50 |
| vhosakot | ok cool | 16:50 |
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| sdake_ | #topic demo slot at summit | 16:51 |
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| sdake_ | akwasnie has a demo slot at summit | 16:51 |
| sdake_ | for logging | 16:51 |
| sdake_ | i think to mke that compelling we need a dashboard | 16:51 |
| akwasnie | yes with elemoine and inc0 | 16:51 |
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| mandre | sdake_, will the initial backport be one giant commit or a rebase? | 16:52 |
| sdake_ | akwasnie any luck on the dashboard? | 16:52 |
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| sdake_ | mandre one giant commit i think | 16:52 |
| sdake_ | mandre i am really looking or a plan out of inc0 as to execution | 16:52 |
| sdake_ | he is leading the effort | 16:52 |
| mandre | that's also what I think is the easiest | 16:53 |
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| sdake_ | it may be one giant commit plus a bunch of fixups | 16:53 |
| akwasnie | we were working on slides and did not manage to make a good dashboard, but hope we will do it soon | 16:53 |
| sdake_ | to address the locations and templates and ervert of bootstraping of keystone | 16:53 |
| sdake_ | akwasnie cool - folkks like to see something flashy in demos, so highy recommend spending time on a dashboard of some sort ;) | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | if you show them just kibana they will go "huh" | 16:54 |
| akwasnie | sdake_: yeah, you are right | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | i would coommit to helping ou but unfortunately i will be heavily involved in this backport effort | 16:55 |
| sdake_ | and getting our summit sessions in order which takes a couple days | 16:55 |
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| sdake_ | #topic our performance | 16:56 |
| akwasnie | sure, np - I understand | 16:56 |
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| sdake_ | so folks, we totally rock | 16:56 |
| sdake_ | our team is one of the strongest teams in openstack | 16:56 |
| sdake_ | not that its a competition | 16:56 |
| sdake_ | however, we are very strong, and I just want to remind everyone, what we have built together is fantastic | 16:57 |
| vhosakot | so, kolla needs a logo now ;) | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | we have found a bunch of latent bugs kind of at the end | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | vhosakot make one ;) | 16:57 |
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| sdake_ | of our dev cycle | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | so dont sweat that, thats normal | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | lets get it fixed | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | kolla is well liked, but will be judged by how we handle our liberty backport and how well liberty and mitaka function for operators | 16:58 |
| sdake_ | 3 more weeks to go until summit | 16:58 |
| sdake_ | keep up the steam - then we can have some rest ;) | 16:58 |
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| sdake_ | #topic open discussion | 16:58 |
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| sdake_ | anyone blocked anywhere? | 16:59 |
| vhosakot | our centos gate has been continously failing to boot a nova VM... http://logs.openstack.org/34/299534/2/check/gate-kolla-dsvm-deploy-centos-binary/41abd22/console.html#_2016-04-05_16_13_10_608 | 16:59 |
| vhosakot | this issue is not seen in Ubuntu gate | 16:59 |
| sdake_ | centos binary or centos source? | 16:59 |
| sdake_ | qemu 2.3 fixes that ithnk ;) | 16:59 |
| mlima | binary | 16:59 |
| vhosakot | yes.. centos binary | 17:00 |
| sdake_ | my qemu 23 patch passed the centos gates | 17:00 |
| sdake_ | so here is the story on the gates | 17:00 |
| vhosakot | nice | 17:00 |
| mlima | ow | 17:00 |
| mlima | wow* | 17:00 |
| sdake_ | there are atleast 6 providers | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, in your link, the rabbitmq failed to start. | 17:00 |
| sdake_ | our gate scripts have to account for all of them | 17:00 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: yeah..it is seen in centos source many times in gate.. | 17:01 |
| vhosakot | sdake_: let me look at the gate results of qemu patch.. cool | 17:01 |
| sdake_ | vhosakot first step file a bug | 17:01 |
| vhosakot | yes | 17:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | yea. I have filed a bug and make some debug. still do not know the root cause. | 17:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, sdake_ i have done that. | 17:01 |
| sdake_ | ok sounds like Jeffrey4l has done that nm then | 17:01 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l found an issue where mariadb logs are cosuming disk space due to recent merge.. I am fixing it | 17:02 |
| sdake_ | lets see what hapepns after qemu 2.3 is in the gate | 17:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | just notice mandre take that bug. | 17:02 |
| mandre | I picked this bug, I'll be working on it | 17:02 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: do you have time after meeting to talk about general_log for mariadb | 17:02 |
| dave-mcc_ | i might be hitting the same problem. i'm working on the bug that steve opened "can't boot VM with TLS enabled", but i can't boot a vm without TLS either right now. (centos/all-in-one) | 17:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, np. But I still want to block it. | 17:02 |
| sbezverk | vhosakot current setting for mariadb logging will kill any prod environment | 17:02 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: let us block it... | 17:02 |
| sdake_ | dave-mcc_ i had that problem until i used qemu 23 :) | 17:02 |
| vhosakot | sbezverk: agreed | 17:03 |
| pbourke1 | vhoskat ol has the same rabbit problem | 17:03 |
| pbourke1 | Fyi | 17:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, any idea to solve the disk consume? | 17:03 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: looking into it now | 17:03 |
| dave-mcc_ | sdake_ is that config change? | 17:03 |
| sdake_ | dave-mcc_ patch (wip) | 17:03 |
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| sdake_ | dave-mcc_ i'll link it - you can rebsae it under your current work | 17:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | I am afraid not. moreover, log every query sql into the ELK is not a good idea. | 17:04 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: sbezverk let us talk after meeting... | 17:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | np | 17:04 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: yes, no need to log _every_ query | 17:04 |
| mlima | is there any idea about how we can implement multiple backends? | 17:04 |
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| sdake_ | mlima you mean pllugins? | 17:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | multi backends for what? | 17:05 |
| vhosakot | cinder | 17:05 |
| mlima | yes sdake_ | 17:05 |
| mlima | yes vhosakot | 17:05 |
| sdake_ | mlima we will have summit planning sessions on that topic | 17:05 |
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| vhosakot | what backends do you have ? lvm,ceph at the same time ? | 17:05 |
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| sdake_ | vhosakot cinder has 50 backends or more | 17:05 |
| mlima | ok sdake_ | 17:06 |
| Jeffrey4l | yea. that's not easy. how about launch multi cinder-volume container, each container support one backend? | 17:06 |
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| vhosakot | cool, we can discuss in session plaaninf in summit | 17:06 |
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| mlima | Jeffrey4l, yes | 17:07 |
| mlima | cinder-volume-lvm and cinder-volume-ceph | 17:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. something like that. | 17:07 |
| sdake_ | gets unwieldy | 17:07 |
| sdake_ | there are about 200 plugins we will have to deal with just with cinder, nova, neutron, and keystone etc | 17:08 |
| sbezverk | since we are on cinder topic, please try lvm2/iscsi, now it supports conditional volumes and should not break anything | 17:08 |
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| Jeffrey4l | Kolla need some plugin mechanism like devstack does. | 17:08 |
| sdake_ | you mean for other projects? | 17:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | delegate part of the image/ansible role to the project or the end-user may be helpful. | 17:09 |
| sdake_ | Jeffrey4l good idea bad timing ;) | 17:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake_, for other projects or the cinder backend case. | 17:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake_, yea. I know that. | 17:09 |
| sdake_ | there are 200 plugins for various projects we haveto deal with ata minimum | 17:10 |
| vhosakot | but, cinder-volume-ceph, cinder-volume-lvm, cinder-volume-<backend name>... is this a good idea ? | 17:10 |
| sdake_ | i think this model doesn't scale well | 17:10 |
| sdake_ | i'd rather have one container contain allt he plugins | 17:11 |
| mlima | we need not support all plugins sdake_ , let's leave that for anyone interested | 17:11 |
| vhosakot | yes.. and for plugins.. imagine... cinder-volume-netapp, cinder-volume-EMC... we need to dicuss in summit | 17:11 |
| sdake_ | ya irc is too low bandwidth to have an effective conversatoin about it | 17:12 |
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| vhosakot | when _one_ cinder-volume can handle multiple backends, why can't it be true when the cinder-volume process is in a container ? | 17:12 |
| vhosakot | agreed, we can talk later | 17:13 |
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| mlima | i think in one container for each backend | 17:13 |
| sbezverk | as long as "backend's binaries" can co-exist I do not see why not | 17:13 |
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| sdake_ | anything else? | 17:14 |
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| sdake_ | ok, we know what we need to do in priority order | 17:14 |
| sdake_ | 1. finish job on mitaka | 17:14 |
| sdake_ | 2. finish job on liberty backport | 17:15 |
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| sdake_ | 3. support our demo slot with a dashboard | 17:15 |
| sdake_ | lets get to it :) | 17:15 |
| sdake_ | thanks for coming | 17:15 |
| sdake_ | #endmeeting | 17:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 17:15:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-04-06-16.30.html | 17:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | pls stop to backport to liberty branch. Any PS to do this, pls -1 / -2 | 17:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-04-06-16.30.txt | 17:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-04-06-16.30.log.html | 17:15 |
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| rhallisey | thx | 17:15 |
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| mandre | thanks | 17:15 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 17:28 |
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| kevinbenton | hi | 17:29 |
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| HenryG | hi | 17:29 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 17:30:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:30 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 17:30 |
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| dougwig | any interest in carving out some lib hacking time during the summit? | 17:31 |
| HenryG | There will be a session for it | 17:31 |
| HenryG | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-lib-next-steps | 17:31 |
| HenryG | The etherpad ^^ | 17:31 |
| HenryG | Please submit ideas | 17:31 |
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| HenryG | I promised armax I would run the session | 17:32 |
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| dougwig | ok | 17:33 |
| dougwig | you have the link to all the sessions handy? | 17:33 |
| HenryG | We can also find some quiet space at other times to do some hacking on lib at the summit. | 17:33 |
| HenryG | dougwig: no, I think you'll have to ask armax for that | 17:34 |
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| dougwig | from the last neutron meeting logs: | 17:35 |
| dougwig | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 17:35 |
| dougwig | i saw your note on splitting your patch. eta on that? | 17:37 |
| HenryG | today-ish | 17:37 |
| HenryG | I have spent a lot of time trying to test it | 17:38 |
| HenryG | I need to isolate the moving parts a little | 17:38 |
| dougwig | have you done any test patches on the neutron side migrating the models to the new code? | 17:39 |
| dougwig | migrating might have been a poor choice of words in this case. | 17:39 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 17:39 |
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| HenryG | I have a test patch with lbaas | 17:39 |
| kevinbenton | will we have a neutron migration migration script? ;) | 17:39 |
| HenryG | please, my brain ;) | 17:40 |
| HenryG | it hurts | 17:40 |
| dougwig | it's neutron, your brain is used to pain. | 17:40 |
| HenryG | Some patches to neutron core will need to land first, which switch to using the lib. Otherwise the models don't get imported right. | 17:41 |
| HenryG | I have most of it lined up, will post patches soon. | 17:42 |
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| dougwig | yeah, i had that with exceptions too. need common ancestors, or i bet sqla gets angry | 17:42 |
| HenryG | I can't tell if it gets angry. It is quite passive aggressive about it though. | 17:43 |
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| HenryG | So anyway, I need to test quite a bit, because the patches to lib have to be published for core to use them, and if they are wrong then we have to re-publish to fix bugs, which feels wrong. | 17:45 |
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| dougwig | it's not wrong, it's just the annoyance of a library, and an incentive not to move the stuff that gets touched a lot. | 17:46 |
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| dougwig | do you have neutron reviews you need us looking at? | 17:47 |
| HenryG | On that note, folks are continuously updating the files that I am trying to move to lib. I wonder how that's going to work in the future. | 17:47 |
| kevinbenton | i'm not sure how we can motivate people to not do this | 17:48 |
| kevinbenton | since neutron-lib doesn't really buy anything for core neutron | 17:48 |
| HenryG | The changes are legitimate | 17:48 |
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| HenryG | But once the files are in lib, it will take a publish for core to get them. | 17:49 |
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| HenryG | I.e. merge to lib; publish lib; update g-r; wait for g-r bot | 17:50 |
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| HenryG | But I guess it's the same with oslo.* or any other lib | 17:51 |
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| HenryG | Folks will have to adjust | 17:52 |
| dougwig | i made a post to the ML about this, but there isn't ever going to be a clean break where it's one side or the other. it's always going to be a moving target. which i don't consider a bad thing. we don't want neutron development velocity defined by the lib. | 17:52 |
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| dougwig | that's just IMO. i think if the lib becomes critical path for neutron, we might as well give up, it's just going to frustrate people. | 17:52 |
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| kevinbenton | have any other projects started importing the lib yet? | 17:53 |
| HenryG | I am thinking about things like https://review.openstack.org/302329 and https://review.openstack.org/300017 | 17:54 |
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| dougwig | kevinbenton: just neutron and lbaas at the moment, on purpose. | 17:55 |
| HenryG | But those patches are the "feature" themselves. Not something that other features depend on. So I guess we are OK there. | 17:55 |
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| dougwig | if all of neutron.context moves, and something needs to go in there, folks will have to get used to deriving a neutron.context from the lib context and modifying that first. this is all doable in regular python, without the lib being a blocker. | 17:57 |
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| HenryG | yup | 17:57 |
| dougwig | i do wonder if that educational hurdle is too high, sometimes. | 17:58 |
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| HenryG | We should aggressively update the devref every time someone hits a problem and we help them. | 18:00 |
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| dougwig | my favorite pasttime. | 18:01 |
| HenryG | ask the helpee to update the devref | 18:02 |
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| HenryG | -2 their patch until they have updated the devref ;) | 18:02 |
| dougwig | oh, you want me to go full armax? | 18:03 |
| dougwig | there's no coming back from full armax. | 18:03 |
| HenryG | We learn from the best | 18:03 |
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| dougwig | alright, let's get out of here, and get some coding done. | 18:04 |
| HenryG | ack | 18:04 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 18:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 18:04:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:04 |
| kevinbenton | bye | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-04-06-17.30.html | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-04-06-17.30.txt | 18:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-04-06-17.30.log.html | 18:04 |
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| raginbajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 19:01:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 19:01 |
| raginbajin | o/ | 19:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 19:01 |
| raginbajin | Agenda - Can be found here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160406 | 19:01 |
| raginbajin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160406 | 19:01 |
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| raginbajin | Only real set of topics is the last email I sent out looking for ideas and help about how does OSOps help collect all the meetup and other data points. | 19:02 |
| raginbajin | and I may need to run early depending on a few things. | 19:02 |
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| raginbajin | #topic OSOps and Collecting Issues/Comments/User Stories | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSOps and Collecting Issues/Comments/User Stories (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:03 | |
| mriedem | i didn't see much response in the ops thread on that | 19:03 |
| raginbajin | :( | 19:03 |
| mriedem | some guy mentioned wanting scripts to migrate nova-network to neutron | 19:03 |
| mriedem | which is kind of not related to that thread | 19:03 |
| raginbajin | Yeah and another about coming to the Product Working Group to add user stories to their project. | 19:04 |
| raginbajin | Which is the end result of what I think we can do for Operators. | 19:04 |
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| mriedem | raginbajin: i don't think i've ever actually seen something come from the product working group into nova as a spec or a requirements | 19:04 |
| mriedem | maybe sideways via cross-project specs, which has it's own efficiency problems | 19:05 |
| mriedem | we need someone that can take the specs from the customer and bring them to the developers | 19:05 |
| raginbajin | Exactly | 19:05 |
| dansmith | lol | 19:05 |
| mriedem | someone with people skills | 19:05 |
| raginbajin | hehe.. Yeah That's exactly what I am thinking. | 19:06 |
| raginbajin | We create all these etherpads during our meetups | 19:06 |
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| raginbajin | how do we capture them and get them to you and other projects. | 19:06 |
| raginbajin | I can manually do it, but that's not the best way or any sort of efficient. | 19:06 |
| mriedem | this is why i was hoping to get an ops cross-project liaison for nova to attend ops things and funnel that back to the dev team | 19:06 |
| mriedem | melwitt and sdague and others have done that before, | 19:07 |
| mriedem | or at least by opening bugs in nova or relaying highlights (pain points) in the dev ML | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | I asked Tom F. for some some thoughts and we are going to catch-up in a day or two. | 19:07 |
| mriedem | ok. really just a rundown of highlights from ops meetups in the dev list is a good start | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | Hmm Ok.. That's an idea as well. See if I can get an Nova Ops liason going. | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | #idea Creating a Liason that would be the ops representative to particular projects and feed information back and forth. | 19:08 |
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| raginbajin | #idea Populating the highlights of the Ops Meetup Etherpads to the Dev List as a start. | 19:09 |
| mriedem | to be clear, it doesn't need to be an ops person, it could be a nova dev | 19:09 |
| mriedem | just needs to be someone that can funnel the info and prioritize it | 19:09 |
| raginbajin | gotcha.. | 19:09 |
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| mriedem | was there going to be a monday summit session about some of this? | 19:10 |
| raginbajin | Yes. There is | 19:10 |
| raginbajin | Basically the same thing we are discussing now. I'm hoping to have more ideas maybe with help from Tom a few others to have more to talk about then | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | I'll be running that session then and then also the OSOps one as well, but that is hopefully going to be about more that OSOps and Operators can do. | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | I think there isn't much to discuss about this more since we are the only two talking about it this week and last. | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | :) | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | I'll keep on the operators to see if I get any more feedback from them | 19:12 |
| mriedem | yeah, i just want to make sure that markus_z is at the right session | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | I'm going to create an etherpad once I get more info about when and where. I know the times for some sessions moved around. | 19:13 |
| raginbajin | You have anything else for this one. | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | ? | 19:14 |
| mriedem | nope | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | cool | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | #topic Nova has removed the default flavors for new deployments. | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova has removed the default flavors for new deployments. (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:14 | |
| mriedem | just an fyi really | 19:14 |
| mriedem | there was the favorable ops thread | 19:14 |
| mriedem | and one in the dev list which is a bit more colorful | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | Yeah.. This one got some decent conversation on our list. | 19:14 |
| mriedem | #link default flavor removal ops thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-March/010045.html | 19:14 |
| mriedem | #link default flavor removal dev thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091434.html | 19:15 |
| raginbajin | I'm still in the camp that we should have an option that people could run to add those back in during an install, but I see what everyone else is saying. | 19:15 |
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| mriedem | i think that's a choice for the deployment scripts at this point | 19:16 |
| mriedem | and always should have been | 19:16 |
| klindgren | we must be in the minority that use slightly modified defaults | 19:16 |
| klindgren | but I think for us - puppet is taking care of it - so it should be good. | 19:16 |
| raginbajin | klindgren: apparently so.. Yeah. We create ours as well, but sometimes you just need an example quickly for something. Going from nothing to something is sometimes hard, which I why its ok and could have just been a file someone ran to add them | 19:17 |
| dansmith | raginbajin: you mean like sometimes you just need a sample image to test with? | 19:18 |
| clayton | klindgren: if puppet is taking care of it for you, then you're probably carrying local patches | 19:19 |
| clayton | unfortunately puppet-nova can't manage flavors currently | 19:19 |
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| bauzas | I think people misunderstand the difference between a source and a deployment | 19:19 |
| clayton | we have some home grown stuff for managing flavors via puppet that I'd love to throw away | 19:19 |
| bauzas | removing flavors from source doesn't mean that deployers won't provide them | 19:20 |
| bauzas | so, we agreed on providing flavors for devstack, but deployers can still provide the same flavors than devstack too | 19:20 |
| clayton | sure, but it's an extra step that has to be taken now. | 19:20 |
| bauzas | like puppet, Fuel or OSP... | 19:20 |
| bauzas | that's why we have release notes | 19:20 |
| clayton | it'd be nice if the script for creating the flavors was part of the nova repo in tools/ or something, instead of part of devstack | 19:21 |
| dansmith | clayton: but presumably you wouldn't want us to seed a default image right? | 19:21 |
| clayton | no, but you've never done that before either | 19:21 |
| dansmith | clayton: what if we seeded a default instance so that `nova show` worked right out of the box? :) | 19:21 |
| dansmith | clayton: right, we never should have done this either | 19:21 |
| clayton | I think flavors are inherently less opinionated than images | 19:21 |
| raginbajin | Setting up an image is much different than flavors. | 19:21 |
| raginbajin | clayton: agreed. | 19:21 |
| bauzas | nova provides APIs, not items | 19:21 |
| dansmith | it's data in the database | 19:21 |
| dansmith | yeah | 19:22 |
| clayton | to clarify, I'm fine with the change. it doesn't effect us at all, but I understand where other people are coming from | 19:22 |
| clayton | it probably feels gratitutous if you do use them. | 19:22 |
| bauzas | so, if people want to use API resources for creating items, that's a deployment case | 19:22 |
| raginbajin | agreed.. It's already been approved and this was just an FYI more than anything in the meeting. | 19:22 |
| raginbajin | I'd like to see if there is any new business to talk about | 19:22 |
| bauzas | I don't see a burden for deployers adding flavors tbh | 19:23 |
| raginbajin | #topic New Business | 19:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Business (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:23 | |
| klindgren | @clayton you are correct apparently uts part of our tools setup that stored in puppet and is just a bash script | 19:23 |
| clayton | I remember that mdorman contributed a patch for doing it that wasn't accepted that I thought should have been :) | 19:23 |
| klindgren | and slack has forever damaged me with the use of a @ infront of peoples names | 19:23 |
| clayton | bauzas: clearly it's a burden, it's just a very minor one. | 19:24 |
| bauzas | clayton: exactly like any other upgrade change we do | 19:24 |
| klindgren | as long as flavor creation works in cells v2 | 19:24 |
| sdague | clayton: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/5df868e83d2761fec9cdfba1c04df17c6a766fb4/lib/nova#L947-L951 is exactly what you need | 19:24 |
| klindgren | since it was horrible horrible horrible broken in cellsv1 | 19:24 |
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| dansmith | klindgren: it will, unless tenant.name == klindgren :P | 19:25 |
| raginbajin | Can I ask someone to take over as the admin.. I have to leave but want this conversation to keep going. | 19:25 |
| dansmith | klindgren: literally, this change came from making flavors proper cellsv2 citizens, by the way | 19:25 |
| bauzas | yup | 19:25 |
| mriedem | raginbajin: i can | 19:25 |
| klindgren | w00t w00t - +100 | 19:25 |
| klindgren | then | 19:25 |
| raginbajin | #addchair mriedem | 19:26 |
| bauzas | #chair rather | 19:26 |
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| raginbajin | #chair mriedem | 19:26 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mriedem raginbajin | 19:26 |
| raginbajin | Thanks! | 19:26 |
| raginbajin | Sorry about that.. Thanks guys.. our next meeting will be at the Summit.. I"ll send out notes once I get back online | 19:27 |
| mriedem | klindgren: clayton: others - did anyone else have anything new to go over? | 19:27 |
| clayton | sdague: again, I don't have a problem with them being removed, but at the bottom of a nearly 1000 line shell script in a repo most operators never look at it's very discoverable :) | 19:27 |
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| clayton | isn't very discoverable I mean :) | 19:27 |
| mriedem | there is nothing else in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160406 | 19:28 |
| mriedem | i say we wrap this up then | 19:28 |
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| mriedem | not hearing anything, i'm going to end the meeting, thanks everyone | 19:29 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "npm lint jobs are failing due to a problem with npm registry. The problem is under investigation, and we will update once the issue is solved." | 19:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 19:29:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-04-06-19.01.html | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-04-06-19.01.txt | 19:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-04-06-19.01.log.html | 19:29 |
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| JRobinson__ | Good Morning all | 21:04 |
| JRobinson__ | Depending on attendance, I'll start the User Guides Meeting | 21:04 |
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| JRobinson__ | Second call, User Guide meeting will run based on attendance. | 21:12 |
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| JRobinson__ | Okay, thanks all for you're patients. I'm rescheduling the User Guide meetings for this week. | 21:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^patience, sorry, it's early morning in my timezone right now. | 21:23 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hi everyone, similar to the US user guide meeting, the APAC meeting will also be rescheduled for this week. | 23:36 |
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