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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 09:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 09:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 09:00 |
| acabot | hi | 09:00 |
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| jed56 | hello | 09:00 |
| gzhai2 | hi | 09:00 |
| jinquan | hi | 09:00 |
| vtech | hi | 09:00 |
| acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#05.2F25.2F2016 | 09:00 |
| dtardivel | hi | 09:00 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 09:01 | |
| acabot | #info we will submit Watcher to the big tent today, its still time to review the commit msg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-big-tent-commit-msg | 09:02 |
| acabot | #info Watcher puppet repository creation currently in still in review | 09:02 |
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| vincentfrancoise | hi | 09:03 |
| acabot | #info sballe started a scope benchmark between Congress/Watcher/Craton, feel free to complete slides https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1B_Wa_xSqj-Ovf_qTMdpFt7NrwobB2UhHcmwCTApk2OY/edit?usp=sharing | 09:03 |
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| eil397 | o/ | 09:03 |
| acabot | #info next mid-cycle will be announced next week on the ML and we will have only 10 seats so if you plan to join, please register asap on https://www.eventbrite.com/e/watcher-newton-mid-cycle-developer-meetup-tickets-25267323244 | 09:04 |
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| acabot | #info gzhai2 & sballe also started a discussion about infra requirements to test Watcher at the end of the Newton cycle, discussions are in an etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-test-environment-specifications | 09:05 |
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| acabot | #info a discussion has been started on the ML regarding Nova deprecated APIs that are needed by Watcher http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095726.html | 09:07 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: I'll give hardware spec | 09:07 |
| acabot | #action gzhai2 complete required hardware specs in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-test-environment-specifications | 09:07 |
| acabot | any other announcement ? | 09:07 |
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| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 09:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 09:08 | |
| acabot | Watcher specs | 09:08 |
| acabot | #info Specs for plugins-parameters & Airflow event based migration strategy spec have been merged | 09:08 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : do you plan to work on Airflow event based migration strategy implem ? | 09:09 |
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| acabot | or is it junjie ? | 09:09 |
| gzhai2 | acabot:yes | 09:09 |
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| acabot | #action gzhai2 assign the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/uniform-airflow-migration-strategy to you | 09:10 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ is still in merge conflict | 09:11 |
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| acabot | gzhai2 : can you rebase it asap, I'd like to have it merged EOW | 09:11 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: should be ok on tomorrow. | 09:11 |
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| acabot | #action gzhai2 rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ | 09:12 |
| acabot | #info Audit parameters should be persistent in Db needs review from core | 09:12 |
| acabot | #action acabot jwcroppe sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317130/ | 09:12 |
| acabot | Add Watcher Continuosly Optimization spec, Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center & Consolidation of multiple Action-plans into a single one need reviews | 09:12 |
| acabot | the priority is on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315551/ | 09:13 |
| acabot | who wants to review it ? | 09:13 |
| jed56 | I can | 09:13 |
| acabot | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315551/ | 09:13 |
| jed56 | thanks | 09:14 |
| acabot | #action acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315551/ | 09:14 |
| acabot | #info Cluster model objects wrapper work items are still missing | 09:14 |
| acabot | #action tpeoples complete work items on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ or free this BP for our next meeting | 09:14 |
| acabot | Watcher | 09:15 |
| acabot | #info Add Overload standard deviation strategy needs a new PS | 09:15 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin add a new PS on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ | 09:15 |
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| acabot | #info Workload balance migration strategy implementation needs a new PS | 09:15 |
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| alexchadin | Already added new PS | 09:16 |
| acabot | alexchadin : sorry | 09:16 |
| jed56 | ah yes Updated 7 minutes ago | 09:16 |
| jed56 | :) | 09:17 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : is junjie available to submit a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ ? | 09:17 |
| alexchadin | soory for offtop: will agenda always be at 9:00 UTC? | 09:17 |
| gzhai2 | i'll ask him | 09:17 |
| gzhai2 | alexchadin: biweekly | 09:17 |
| acabot | alexchadin : no only on odd weeks | 09:17 |
| alexchadin | acabot, gzhai2: thank you | 09:17 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : can you check with junjie that we will be able to have this strategy merged for Newton-1 (next monday) ? | 09:18 |
| acabot | #action gzhai2 junjie add a new PS to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ (we will merge it by EOW) | 09:19 |
| gzhai2 | acabot:sure. | 09:19 |
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| acabot | #info more reviewers are needed to complete plugins parameters https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/plugins-parameters | 09:19 |
| gzhai2 | If no other big comments, it should be ok. | 09:19 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : ok thx | 09:20 |
| acabot | alexchadin : could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/plugins-parameters ? | 09:20 |
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| alexchadin | acabot: I can, a little bit later though | 09:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: thanks, I appreciate :) | 09:21 |
| acabot | we need reviews by end of week to release Newton-1 version | 09:21 |
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| acabot | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/plugins-parameters | 09:22 |
| acabot | Watcher client | 09:22 |
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| acabot | #info most of the openstackclient-plugin has been merged https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:bp/openstackclient-plugin | 09:22 |
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| acabot | gzhai2 : we still have a merge conflict on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297557/ | 09:23 |
| dtardivel | acabot: about openstackclient-plugin related doc updates will be merged ASAP | 09:23 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel merge openstackclient-plugin related doc updates asap | 09:24 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: It should be ok with watcher changes by tomorrow | 09:24 |
| acabot | ok thx | 09:24 |
| dtardivel | FYI, commands are now : | 09:24 |
| dtardivel | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5x3ZfH1I/ | 09:24 |
| acabot | #action gzhai2 rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297557/ | 09:24 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 09:25 |
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| acabot | #info Newton-1 is due to May 30th https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-1 | 09:25 |
| acabot | we have 7 BPs in code reviews | 09:26 |
| sballe_ | Hi sorry for being late | 09:26 |
| acabot | does any of your assigned BP cannot be delivered by next monday ? | 09:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | well | 09:27 |
| vincentfrancoise | I have my efficacy-indicator blueprint | 09:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | it is 80% done | 09:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | but I need the blueprint on perisistent-audit-parameters to do the remaining 20% | 09:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | So given the deadline, I think it would be best to postpone mine for n-2 | 09:29 |
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| acabot | ok and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/persistent-audit-parameters has been postponed to Newton-2 | 09:29 |
| acabot | ok that makes sense | 09:29 |
| acabot | #action acabot postpone https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/efficacy-indicator to Newton-2 | 09:29 |
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| acabot | ghzai2 alexchadin junjie : are you confident with your BPs ? | 09:30 |
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| acabot | jinquan : are you confident with your BP ? | 09:30 |
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| gzhai2 | acabot: i'm ok. Think junjie should be ok | 09:31 |
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| acabot | ok so I will keep a 6 BPs list for Newton-1, keep in mind that your code must be merged by next monday | 09:31 |
| jinquan | acabot: i thinkit's ok | 09:32 |
| acabot | #action ghzai2 alexchadin junjie jinquan we will merge your code by next monday so please be ready to review and patch your code | 09:33 |
| sballe_ | Is junjie on IRC? I sent him a reminder to come to the meeting | 09:33 |
| acabot | sballe_ : he is not right now | 09:33 |
| gzhai2 | seems no | 09:33 |
| gzhai2 | I'll ping him offline | 09:33 |
| sballe_ | Ok thx | 09:33 |
| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 09:34 |
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| acabot | I dont have any topic today in the agenda, does anyone wants to open a discussion ? | 09:34 |
| sballe_ | Please sign up for the mid cycle so we know how many people will come | 09:34 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: pls. provide more details of the watcher test case | 09:35 |
| acabot | #action acabot jed56 sign up for the mid-cycle | 09:35 |
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| acabot | gzhai2 : what do you mean by watcher test case ? the infra needed ? the strategy we want to test ? | 09:35 |
| gzhai2 | strategy. | 09:36 |
| gzhai2 | what to test | 09:36 |
| acabot | ok so for now the idea is to validate that all strategies we have implemented in Watcher scale | 09:36 |
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| acabot | and if not, find a way to make them scalable | 09:37 |
| gzhai2 | We'll have concrete plan later, right? | 09:37 |
| sballe_ | acabot: we'll need to write down the command we want to run | 09:37 |
| acabot | we will look at what we can do with Rally to stress the infrastructure | 09:37 |
| sballe_ | Maybe we can start writing down everything on the ether pad | 09:38 |
| acabot | sballe_ : ok | 09:38 |
| alexchadin | oh | 09:38 |
| alexchadin | about Rally | 09:38 |
| alexchadin | I know boris-42 personally | 09:38 |
| alexchadin | If You have any questions, I may ask him | 09:39 |
| sballe_ | I am assuming that gzhai2 is talking about the intel system in September | 09:39 |
| dtardivel | alexchadin: +1 | 09:39 |
| sballe_ | We won't have rally | 09:39 |
| acabot | alexchadin : and do you know if Rally would be a good tool to validate Watcher ? | 09:39 |
| acabot | alexchadin : I mean testing strategies | 09:39 |
| acabot | sballe_ : why ? | 09:40 |
| alexchadin | I don't think it is probably good for strategies testing | 09:40 |
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| acabot | alexchadin : why ? | 09:40 |
| gzhai2 | sballe_: yes. | 09:40 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I don't think we'll have access to rally on the system in September | 09:41 |
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| alexchadin | It works better with atomic operations like create keystone user, project, etc | 09:41 |
| alexchadin | We tested it with nova vm create | 09:41 |
| alexchadin | It fails after 100 vms created | 09:42 |
| acabot | sballe_ : you mean that it will not be possible to deploy Rally on your infra ? | 09:42 |
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| acabot | alexchadin : ok | 09:42 |
| alexchadin | I will introduce him in watcher and ask if there could be any problems with strategies | 09:42 |
| alexchadin | BTW | 09:42 |
| acabot | alexchadin : the idea is to use Rally to load the infrastructure and then run Watcher strategies | 09:43 |
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| sballe_ | gzhai2: can ask | 09:43 |
| acabot | alexchadin : if you can discuss that case with boris-42 it would be great | 09:43 |
| alexchadin | acabot: I will discuss it by EOW, ok? | 09:44 |
| gzhai2 | sballe_: Rally is also one project. Deploying it should be ok | 09:44 |
| acabot | sballe_ : when you said that we should write down all commands, do you mean we wont have access to the infra outside of Intel ? | 09:44 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I know the lab people will deploy openstack for us | 09:44 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: there are 2 options: OSIC and intel internal. | 09:44 |
| gzhai2 | latter is more feasible. | 09:45 |
| alexchadin | I got huawei server today, will try to run sd-strategy on it | 09:45 |
| acabot | #alexchadin ask boris-42 if he thinks that we can use Rally to load the infra and test Watcher strategies | 09:45 |
| alexchadin | to have stress test | 09:45 |
| gzhai2 | don't know if you guys requested OSIC nodes. | 09:45 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : do you want me to do it in parralel ? | 09:46 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I was assuming that the internal system would it be available from outside | 09:46 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: yes. | 09:46 |
| acabot | sballe_ : ok and is it still the case ? | 09:46 |
| alexchadin | I'm sorry, I should leave meeting | 09:46 |
| sballe_ | acabot: yes let's do Osic in parallel | 09:46 |
| alexchadin | goodbye everyone! | 09:46 |
| gzhai2 | goodbye | 09:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 09:46 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I meant NOT available | 09:47 |
| eil397 | bye | 09:47 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : can you complete the OSIC form ? (I think it will better if it comes from Intel) | 09:47 |
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| sballe_ | gzhai2: will do that | 09:47 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: should be better come from outside intel. | 09:48 |
| acabot | :-) | 09:48 |
| acabot | ok | 09:48 |
| gzhai2 | It's for community work. | 09:48 |
| gzhai2 | :) | 09:48 |
| acabot | #action acabot submit a request to OSIC to get a test cluster | 09:48 |
| acabot | any other topic ? | 09:49 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I am worried that the internal cluster can only be accessed from inside so Osic is better for community work | 09:49 |
| acabot | sballe_ : ok | 09:50 |
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| sballe_ | acabot: do we still want it? | 09:50 |
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| sballe_ | In September that is | 09:50 |
| acabot | sballe_ : actually, I will do the same request on bcom side :-) with the same concern that it will not be available from the outside | 09:51 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : so lets do 3 requests and see what we have in September :-D | 09:51 |
| sballe_ | Make sense | 09:51 |
| sballe_ | gzhai2: and I can ask to have rally installed and see what they say | 09:52 |
| acabot | can we close the meeting ? | 09:52 |
| sballe_ | Yes | 09:53 |
| gzhai2 | yes | 09:53 |
| acabot | thank you guys | 09:53 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye everyone :) | 09:53 |
| acabot | bye | 09:53 |
| sballe_ | Bye | 09:53 |
| gzhai2 | thank you | 09:53 |
| gzhai2 | bye | 09:53 |
| jinquan | bye | 09:53 |
| vtech | bye | 09:53 |
| eil397 | bye | 09:53 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 09:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 09:53:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-25-09.00.html | 09:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-25-09.00.txt | 09:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-25-09.00.log.html | 09:53 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 13:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| cdent | hello | 13:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 13:00 |
| sdague | though there is a plumber, so I might have to disappear at any point to deal with that | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | sdague: no problem | 13:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | ok, i think we can start the meeting | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic API Priorities | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Priorities (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:01 | |
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| alex_xu | For the api-ref, looks like we already merge versions and metadata | 13:02 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:02 |
| oomichi_ | hi | 13:02 |
| sdague | yeh, I need to finish servers, I will try to do that soon | 13:02 |
| sdague | there is still a pretty good flow of reviews coming in, I would encourage people to stay on top of them | 13:02 |
| sdague | http://burndown.dague.org/ - we're down to about 50% of tags left | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | good news! | 13:03 |
| Kevin_Zheng | alex_xu: did you guys decide on how to work with microversioned sample files? | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: i guess no, sdague do you have idea abou that? | 13:04 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: not yet | 13:04 |
| Kevin_Zheng | OK | 13:04 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | can we have both? | 13:05 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | but if there are multiple the samples will be too much? | 13:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think all the current ones match v2.1, I guess we could hide some newer samples, if there have been changes to the API, we test every edge, so we could have a sample for each edge? | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: does work with only the newest api sample file? as we marked some field only available in new version | 13:06 |
| sdague | I need to start poking at a few other microversion UX things in the code | 13:06 |
| sdague | I will try to start in on that this week | 13:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: feels like we need to experiment with keypairs or something, to see what works | 13:07 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, agreed | 13:07 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes | 13:07 |
| sdague | that's going to be largely os-api-ref work | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool | 13:07 |
| sdague | as it will include javascript that changes visibility | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 13:07 |
| jichen | cool~ | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | ok, so i think that is all for api-ref for now? | 13:08 |
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| sdague | yep | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | let's move on | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | for policy discovery | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/289405 | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | I saw claudio_ updated spec for show policy discovery in nova-manage | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | not sure people reviewed it. looks like it needs nova-manage to validate the user just like python-novaclient. | 13:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wonder if we just pass in a keystone token for now? | 13:10 |
| sdague | I have not reviewed that yet, I will add it to my list | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | currently nova-manage just use a fake admin context | 13:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | although I guess we can use that keystone lib we use elsewhere now | 13:11 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ... will a token get us anywhere? | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: still need to get the role of user form keystone? | 13:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was thinking from the token fetch the roles, etc | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | s/form/from/ | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could just pass the info you get back from keystone, I guess, like the role and tenant, etc | 13:11 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: lots of token types don't include all that embedded info, you need the round trip | 13:12 |
| sdague | honestly, maybe this should be a dedicated tool | 13:12 |
| sdague | nova-policy-check | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | it does feel different to nova-manage | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | a new cmd seems cheap | 13:12 |
| sdague | just to keep us from doing ugly things in nova-manage | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: good idea | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | if we put in python-novaclient, sounds more easy | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats too end user facing, we need access to deep bits of nova | 13:13 |
| sdague | alex_xu: it can't really be in nova client, it needs access to nova code | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | ah, yea, forget that point | 13:13 |
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| sdague | this tool only works on the machine where you nova api install is | 13:13 |
| sdague | but, yeh, let's just do it as a dedicated tool | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that seems a reasonable assumption | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could make it use the same params/env variables as python-novaclient though | 13:14 |
| sdague | claudio_: sound reasonable to you? | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. do a full auth | 13:14 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure, but that's mostly about keystoneauth1 | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 13:14 |
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| alex_xu | is it ok just pass role manually by operator? | 13:15 |
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| alex_xu | or it can't show all the worksflow for us | 13:15 |
| sdague | alex_xu: maybe as a follow on, lets get something more automatic first | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok | 13:15 |
| sdague | ok, who wants to provide the feedback to the spec? | 13:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so its open in a tab, I can do that | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | #action johnthetubaguy feedback the decision on separated tool for policy discovery back to the spec | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | anything more for policy? otherwise let's move on | 13:17 |
| sdague | on the flip side, a bunch of the oslo.policy changes landed | 13:17 |
| sdague | the policy generator is still outstanding I think | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/309153 | 13:18 |
| sdague | right, so we need to close on that | 13:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we had some discussions on ops requests, but I think we got to the bottom of that now | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | ok, encourage people help on the review | 13:18 |
| sdague | we should also probably figure out who else on the oslo side should be engaged on review | 13:19 |
| sdague | dhellman has been doing a bunch | 13:19 |
| sdague | but seems like we want additional eyes as well so this doesn't get stalled after he's happy with it | 13:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | good point | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wonder if dims is feeling keen about policy | 13:20 |
| sdague | maybe I'll ask dhellman about that | 13:20 |
| alex_xu | ok, so sdague just is action for you? | 13:21 |
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| sdague | yeh | 13:21 |
| sdague | #action sdague to follow up with dhellman to find the right additional reviewers for oslo.policy changes | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks :) | 13:22 |
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| alex_xu | ok, i think we can move on | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | let talks about remove legacy v2 | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-legacy-v2-api-code | 13:22 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: have concern on removing the old policy checks | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so the policy checks in compute.api.py | 13:23 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: so we expect fill the target param for the policy check? | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | they include the target | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | which is useful | 13:23 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: but those aren't work with v2.1 API, due to the skip_policy_checks flag | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | (and sdague was telling me about the operator thread on wanting to have policy based on user_id) | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, oops | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, we skip those | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, well, just take that out then | 13:24 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right, so I think maybe we talk about this issue now though | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | s/aren't works/doesn't work/... | 13:24 |
| sdague | because it impacts the v2 legacy remove, a little | 13:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets touch on the wider issue | 13:25 |
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| sdague | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-May/010526.html | 13:25 |
| sdague | for people that haven't read it yet | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, thanks, thats it | 13:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so its a horrible thing that arguably breaks our API semantics, but it worked before, and now it fails | 13:26 |
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| alex_xu | ah, really have people using "user_id:%(user_id)s" | 13:26 |
| sdague | right | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:26 |
| sdague | now, in some cases, I don't think they need it | 13:26 |
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| sdague | people were basically just building catchall projects so they didn't have to create projects | 13:26 |
| sdague | because users will get autocreated from AD | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | now it turns out the DB code hard codes the tenant_id check, so most of the policy rules that check the tenant_id right now are misleading | 13:27 |
| sdague | but CERN has a more middle ground use case | 13:27 |
| sdague | though they still haven't responded with all the details | 13:27 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right, we filter by context on project_id | 13:27 |
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| sdague | so there is an overlap there | 13:27 |
| alex_xu | we can match the v2 api behaviour with quick fix by adding target param, then later fix on db layer hard-code. | 13:28 |
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| sdague | I actually think that user_id: only works in a subset of calls anyway | 13:28 |
| sdague | because of things like this | 13:28 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: the real question is what set of things do we do this across | 13:28 |
| sdague | or do we do it at all | 13:29 |
| sdague | I'm very on the fence | 13:29 |
| alex_xu | ok, got it | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am tempted to actually filter the objects we pass as a target | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we just pass user_id and project_id | 13:29 |
| sdague | and feel like we still don't really have enough details on the policy changes and use cases here | 13:29 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : sdague : there's only one in the queue - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.policy+is:open | 13:30 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: and change the meaning of GET /servers ? | 13:30 |
| sdague | dims: that's the only one outstanding, it requires a spec as well | 13:30 |
| sdague | dims: the oslo.policy changes are pretty compact | 13:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so by default there is no change in the API, it just allows people to break the API | 13:30 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: that seems... problematic | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | my thinking is we then deprecate user_id, and work out how to support those usecases another way | 13:31 |
| sdague | that's actually why mtreinish pushed back really hard on people testing this | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | your quota idea, could be part of that, but it feels like there are other things | 13:31 |
| sdague | right, so the thing is, I feel like we need a lot more engagement on the operator side to figure out those details | 13:31 |
| sdague | I've asked for them a few times in the ML, and really haven't seen detailed answers | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | we do, we will need to go to ops meetups with ideas and get feedback, etc | 13:32 |
| * dims notes mikal has oslo core privs :) | 13:32 | |
| johnthetubaguy | they seems talkative when pin them down in a room | 13:32 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: well, we need this info sooner than that | 13:32 |
| dims | sdague : johnthetubaguy : will review the spec and that review today | 13:32 |
| * johnthetubaguy makes a note of dims note | 13:32 | |
| sdague | dims: thank you | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have lots of policy things in flux, if we get the default policy thing, we can start output warning when people have deprecated "rule params", like user_id | 13:33 |
| sdague | sure | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | at that point, I think we have they system by which we can sensible message to people we can remove the feature | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels like we are stuck with it till then :( | 13:34 |
| sdague | but we will ship a release where their rules will not work at all | 13:34 |
| sdague | delete of v2 legacy removes all these features | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | in my head I was thinking this release, we add in the target everywhere, to smooth the transition | 13:34 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: that means it needs to be tested everywhere | 13:34 |
| sdague | the reason this broke is no tests | 13:34 |
| sdague | that's actually a pretty big effort | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that true it is | 13:35 |
| sdague | so, it's definitely a spec | 13:35 |
| sdague | and it needs people | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | it is something I can get some of the OSIC folks to help with, I suspect, but we clearly shouldn't do that lightly | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it needs a spec | 13:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | can anyone see another way to dig out of this problem? | 13:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | other than just not fixing it | 13:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, putting a spec up gives us all time to think about it more | 13:36 |
| sdague | well, the other thing is to go through the details that people did and figure out much narrower targets | 13:37 |
| sdague | like, if this is only for server state change actions, that's one thing | 13:37 |
| sdague | it's like 6 actions that are probably important, and that's all we do | 13:37 |
| sdague | but right now it's just "we need this generically supported in policy" | 13:37 |
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| sdague | which is huge | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, starting with server actions, adding user_id and project_id as the target, seems like a scope | 13:38 |
| sdague | and I only want to fix specific ones that people can't live without | 13:38 |
| edleafe | If it can be done for just those few cases, that would be preferable | 13:38 |
| sdague | and try to figure out a different way around for all of them | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK... I just worry about the folks that haven't spoken up | 13:38 |
| sdague | because, server locking seems like it solves a ton of that | 13:38 |
| edleafe | That will give time for them/us to figure out an alternative | 13:38 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure... but honestly, we can't just keep guessing in the wind :) | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats a good point, server locking does | 13:39 |
| sdague | you have to speak up if you want a voice | 13:39 |
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| sdague | we are not mind readers | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | true, I was more coming from the, oops, lets follow the deprecation cycle properly | 13:39 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: well, this was never deprecated because "no one knew it was a feature" | 13:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its not that clear cut, we did deprecate the code that supports all this | 13:40 |
| sdague | like, we litterally didn't put this code into the v3 stack at all | 13:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: ack | 13:40 |
| sdague | it's effectively not existed in new code in 3 years | 13:40 |
| sdague | and all these calls of "please go try this" | 13:40 |
| sdague | kind of ignored until the week before deleting all the legacy v2 code | 13:41 |
| edleafe | It's the downside of running Juno/Kilo | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | well its about now folks are using the thing where we made v2.1 the default, but agreed its not idea | 13:41 |
| edleafe | when we're working on Newton | 13:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I am +1 getting a list of places where it matters, and just fixing that | 13:42 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, how do we get that? | 13:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | with a note saying, we need to get you off this thing | 13:43 |
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| sdague | because my asks on the ML aren't | 13:43 |
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| sdague | they don't seem to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-May/010531.html | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe we just add a reno note about the new policy not supporting any target info, and we update the default policy to make that clear? | 13:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if someone comes forward with specific cases (I think we have that old patch on the bug), we consider adding it? | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can tell them that on the ML, and hope for the best? | 13:45 |
| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: +1 for clarifying that on a reno, and we will be able to get real feedback/requirements | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | actually, we need to update all our docs, as it turns out we documented this as an option | 13:45 |
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| alex_xu | that sounds a plan | 13:47 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, do you have the action to go update those docs? | 13:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think I do, yes | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try find someone to own this, and help them through it | 13:48 |
| * alex_xu not sure how to write this action... | 13:49 | |
| sdague | ok, johnthetubaguy can you write the action | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try sort out the policy user_id mess | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | or something like that? | 13:50 |
| sdague | and we should make sure to revisit all old actions next meeting | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea | 13:50 |
| sdague | #action johnthetubaguy to update policy docs to remove user_id references to server actions | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | also | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | #action alex_xu will revisit all old actions next meeting | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | :) | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to reply on bug and ML about the ops issues with user_id | 13:50 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | i think we can move on | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | anything we want to talk about deprecation? | 13:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | of the user_id? | 13:52 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sorry, you mean? | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, I was meaning, what bits of deprecation did you want to talk about? | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | the deprecation proxy api was merged | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | another thing is about extension | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, proxy APIs, gotacha | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | i guess no update for deprecate proxy api for now. | 13:54 |
| alex_xu | and not hurry | 13:54 |
| alex_xu | sorry, i didn't get time to work out a spec for extension also. people can free to take this task also | 13:54 |
| alex_xu | if we didn't have anything for those, let jump to open? there are two opens didn't get chance last week. | 13:55 |
| alex_xu | ok...3 mins left | 13:56 |
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| cdent | before we scoot off, just want to say this ought to be ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/300077 | 13:57 |
| cdent | that's support for both microversion headers | 13:57 |
| Kevin_Zheng | can we talk a little about the hard-stop feature? | 13:57 |
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| cdent | the main sticking points will be the docs | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | cdent: yea | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: go ahead | 13:57 |
| cdent | as it is hard to know what's best | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | i guess just for advertis your item... | 13:57 |
| Kevin_Zheng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293790/ | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: seems like the docs are failing to build right now? | 13:58 |
| sdague | cdent: I'll add https://review.openstack.org/300077 to my review queue | 13:58 |
| sdague | and suggestion docs | 13:58 |
| Kevin_Zheng | really hope this can merged, | 13:58 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: feh | 13:58 |
| cdent | I'll fix that | 13:58 |
| Kevin_Zheng | really close to non-priority spec freeze | 13:58 |
| cdent | thanks sdague | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries, appreciate the extra doc entires on that one, its looking close | 13:58 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293790/8/specs/newton/approved/allow-user-defined-shutdown-for-stop.rst has some remarkable overlap to - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234219/ shutdown_termination part | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | sorry....let's back to openstack-nova | 13:59 |
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| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| cdent | johnthetubaguy: looks like git fetch failures... :( | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 13:59:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-05-25-13.00.html | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-05-25-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
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| therve | #startmeeting heat | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 15:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| therve | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 15:00 |
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| therve | Hola people of Heat | 15:00 |
| ramishra | hi | 15:00 |
| jaimguer | o/ | 15:00 |
| jdob | [T]/ | 15:00 |
| zaneb | \o | 15:00 |
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| ochuprykov_ | hi | 15:01 |
| ananta | Hi | 15:01 |
| duvarenkov | hi | 15:01 |
| skraynev | hey | 15:01 |
| therve | Alright | 15:02 |
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| _prazumovsky | Hi all! | 15:02 |
| therve | #topic Adding items to agenda | 15:02 |
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| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-05-25_1500_UTC.29 | 15:02 |
| ananta | magnum and sahara gate jobs with convergence engine | 15:03 |
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| therve | Can you add to the wiki? :) | 15:03 |
| ananta | sorry i couldn't add the wiki was asking for a question | 15:03 |
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| ananta | will try | 15:03 |
| shardy | o/ | 15:03 |
| therve | No worries we'll talk about it in next topic anyway | 15:04 |
| therve | #topic Newton-1 status | 15:04 |
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| therve | So! | 15:04 |
| therve | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/newton-1 | 15:04 |
| zaneb | ananta: updated the wiki | 15:04 |
| skraynev | yeah :) | 15:04 |
| ananta | zaneb: thanks :) | 15:05 |
| therve | We have a bunch of bugs in progress | 15:05 |
| therve | Nothing that should block the release, AFAICT | 15:05 |
| therve | Objections on bugs? | 15:05 |
| skraynev | nope | 15:06 |
| skraynev | Probably the same for BP ? | 15:06 |
| therve | So BP | 15:06 |
| therve | Conditionals started getting in | 15:06 |
| shardy | What's the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1570983? | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570983 in heat "raw_template files duplication wastes DB space and memory" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Crag Wolfe (cwolfe) | 15:06 |
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| shardy | I'm fine with it slipping to n-2, but that's kind of a big deal for TripleO I think | 15:06 |
| therve | It is, but tripleo uses master anyway :) | 15:07 |
| zaneb | just re-reviewing as we speak, but it looks basically ready | 15:07 |
| shardy | therve: we'll be cutting releases for n-1 too FWIW | 15:07 |
| therve | I think the dependent patches got in, so we'll be able to move I think | 15:07 |
| shardy | zaneb: ack, thanks, I'll pull it and give it a test locally too | 15:07 |
| zaneb | ++ | 15:08 |
| cwolferh | yeah, i also think it is about ready | 15:08 |
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| shardy | cwolferh: thanks for all the work on it :) | 15:08 |
| zaneb | I'll trigger check experimental when I review | 15:08 |
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| therve | I hope conditionals with be rebased, so that we can review it | 15:08 |
| cwolferh | shardy, np, i've liked this one | 15:09 |
| therve | yaql got in yesterday, fwiw | 15:09 |
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| therve | We'll talk convergence on the next topic :). Anything else? skraynev as you added the topic? | 15:09 |
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| skraynev | therve: we have one week before N1, so potentially Conditions can land, if guys tell, that it looks ready | 15:10 |
| skraynev | therve: only this one ^ ;) | 15:10 |
| therve | OK cool | 15:10 |
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| therve | #topic Magnum and Sahara gate jobs with convergence engine | 15:10 |
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| therve | ananta so where are we? | 15:10 |
| ananta | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316073/ | 15:10 |
| ananta | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316667/ | 15:11 |
| ananta | the gate jobs look good | 15:11 |
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| skraynev | therve: p.s. I forgot to ask you: will you move all necessary bugs, BP to N2 or I need to help ? | 15:11 |
| ananta | I had to push some fixes but they are running fine now | 15:11 |
| zaneb | so just waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317866/ | 15:11 |
| therve | skraynev, I'll try, I'll ask if I need help, thanks :) | 15:11 |
| therve | zaneb, Yep | 15:12 |
| skraynev | therve: ok. I'll be here ;) so welcome | 15:12 |
| therve | ananta, We need to recheck the sahara gate? | 15:12 |
| therve | It fails but it looks unrelated | 15:12 |
| ananta | yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317866/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319122/ | 15:12 |
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| ananta | yes unrelated | 15:12 |
| ananta | I didn't see heat jobs for trove and murano | 15:12 |
| therve | It'd be good to have a green build still | 15:13 |
| ananta | so I didn't add anything there | 15:13 |
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| therve | OK | 15:13 |
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| ananta | I probably need to rebase, some how it failed for last one | 15:13 |
| therve | shardy, What do we do for tripleo? Can you push a config change to force convergence to false? | 15:14 |
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| zaneb | ananta: can you clarify what you mean by "ddidn't see heat jobs for trove and murano"? | 15:14 |
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| therve | zaneb, They don't run heat in any gate job | 15:14 |
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| shardy | therve: yes we can do that - I'll look into it | 15:14 |
| ananta | zaneb: I went through their gate jobs but didn't see any heat service being configured or running | 15:15 |
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| therve | shardy, Ideally it'd be in tree so that we can test using it without changing project-config | 15:15 |
| zaneb | really? they don't run it at all? | 15:15 |
| zaneb | huh, that's surprising | 15:15 |
| skraynev | therve: I had a talk with guys from Murano and they asked me about enabling convergence. I suggested to add some tests job for it during n2 and be ready to switch on convergence by default after it ;) | 15:15 |
| shardy | therve: it will be a change to the puppet hiera defaults in instack-undercloud most likely | 15:15 |
| therve | shardy, Cool sounds good | 15:16 |
| shardy | we can then toggle that via overrides in tripleo-ci if we want to e.g have an experimental job with it enabled | 15:16 |
| ananta | zaneb: I can easily add one if we see if its not the case | 15:16 |
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| pas-ha | 0/ | 15:17 |
| therve | I mean I don't think we should add jobs to other project | 15:17 |
| therve | If they don't test it... They'll get the notice and hopefully test manually | 15:17 |
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| therve | So I feel we're on track to do it by n1, unless someone has an objection | 15:19 |
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| therve | Please review convergence patches :) | 15:19 |
| zaneb | DO IT | 15:19 |
| therve | ananta, Anything else? | 15:19 |
| ananta | nope | 15:19 |
| ananta | just that we need to get the patches reviewd :) | 15:19 |
| therve | Yep let's do this :) | 15:20 |
| ananta | it will ease me a lot :) | 15:20 |
| therve | #topic Abandoning old reviews | 15:20 |
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| therve | OK somewhat related :) | 15:20 |
| therve | We have 200+ patches in review | 15:20 |
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| therve | Obviously a good chunk will never land at this rate | 15:20 |
| therve | Many need rebase, a bunch are just rotting | 15:20 |
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| therve | I'd like to do a bit of cleanups, anyone has objections about that? | 15:21 |
| jdob | nope, i'm all for it | 15:21 |
| skraynev | +1 | 15:21 |
| ananta | there are many with one +2, those are easier to review | 15:21 |
| ramishra | What's the definition of old? | 15:21 |
| jdob | is there going to be a warning about abandoning them or just abandon if they are too old? | 15:21 |
| skraynev | I have one ;) will abandon it ;) | 15:21 |
| therve | ramishra, February I'd say? | 15:22 |
| jdob | feb of 2016? | 15:22 |
| therve | Yes | 15:22 |
| shardy | therve: we have a similar problem for bugs, with 364 open atm | 15:22 |
| jdob | that feels kinda short, I was thinking at least 6 months | 15:23 |
| zaneb | therve: yeah, that sound too short to me | 15:23 |
| shardy | I've been trying to tackle that for TripleO by a script that marks all bugs reported against EOL branches incomplete with a comment | 15:23 |
| shardy | nova are doing similar ref ML threads | 15:23 |
| jdob | ya, bugs are another area we should do this for | 15:23 |
| therve | I mean, if it's on page 3 of most gerrit people, it's not like it will get reviewed | 15:23 |
| therve | shardy, Can we talk about that separately :) | 15:23 |
| shardy | I agree ~3 months is probably too short | 15:23 |
| jdob | ya, but i've ha things take me months to get people to look at that i was trying to maintain | 15:24 |
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| ananta | but 6 months is too old | 15:24 |
| jdob | there is a bit of a lag in getting core eyes on stuff | 15:24 |
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| ananta | we will again be ending in same situation sooner if we keep 6 months | 15:24 |
| ananta | jdob: agree | 15:24 |
| therve | jdob, Sure, but you rebase them at that point | 15:24 |
| skraynev | I agree with definition of "old" as more then 6 month. | 15:24 |
| skraynev | therve: is it ok ^ ? | 15:24 |
| jdob | i like 6 months and then making this a release task | 15:24 |
| shardy | maybe abandoning patches that have negative feedback not addressed for >= 3months is OK | 15:24 |
| jdob | each new release, part of that fuzzy period before summit we do this again | 15:24 |
| therve | Let's say 5 and I cut 2015 :) | 15:25 |
| zaneb | shardy: +1, a lot depends on the status | 15:25 |
| shardy | we want to avoid abandoning anything rotting due to lack of reviews tho | 15:25 |
| shardy | (I bet there are some..) | 15:25 |
| jdob | i'm sure of it :) | 15:25 |
| zaneb | some relatively recent patches can be abandoned, and some very old patches should probably be kept around | 15:25 |
| ananta | agree with shardy | 15:25 |
| ramishra | yeah not being reviewed does not make patches old;) | 15:25 |
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| jdob | the low hanging fruit are "old" ones with a -1 that haven't been addressed | 15:26 |
| therve | ramishra, If it's in merge conflict though? | 15:26 |
| jdob | thats a pretty solid indication they aren't being maintained | 15:26 |
| jdob | i think you could make the same argument for merge conflict | 15:26 |
| therve | merge conflict put a -1 too | 15:26 |
| jdob | sorry, human -1 v. jenkins -1 | 15:26 |
| ananta | IMO, it all boils down to prioritizing the feature/bug | 15:27 |
| ramishra | yeah, we should give them a chance to rebase, may be a comment in the review and then do whatever we want. | 15:27 |
| zaneb | +1 | 15:27 |
| ananta | ramishra: agree | 15:27 |
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| therve | ramishra, You can still revive the patch when it's abandoned? | 15:28 |
| therve | That's kinda the point oo | 15:28 |
| therve | too | 15:28 |
| therve | "Hey we won't look at that until you do something" | 15:28 |
| jdob | ya, I think we just delay the inevitable in most cases | 15:28 |
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| jdob | if it gets abandoned and you want it back, just restore it | 15:28 |
| therve | Exactly | 15:28 |
| jdob | otherwise, it just makes it a longer two steps process for the heat cores | 15:29 |
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| pas-ha | also, if someone else wants to work on it (not the original owner) I believe cores can restore any patch | 15:29 |
| ramishra | it's quite subjective. IMO, I think the owner should be given a choice to decide. | 15:29 |
| therve | ramishra, Not sure what you suggest | 15:30 |
| therve | You always have the choice to rebase your patch :) | 15:30 |
| zaneb | in some cases though there are valuable fixes that contributors have given up on... we need people to take over those reviews and rebase them, not put them out of sight by abandoning | 15:30 |
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| zaneb | once reviews are abandoned, they're basically invisible | 15:30 |
| ramishra | I'm suggesting, we should not abandon others patches, may be leave a comment to rebase if there is no action, then we can abandon them. | 15:31 |
| therve | Well once they're on page 3 of heat reviews as well | 15:31 |
| therve | Frankly my point is mostly to revive patches, not kill them | 15:31 |
| therve | I don't really care that we have 200+ lying around | 15:31 |
| therve | But nobody will look at them as they are | 15:31 |
| zaneb | very true | 15:32 |
| ramishra | I am + on taking over some importtant patches, I see some of them good ones, started but ignored. | 15:32 |
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| skraynev | therve: sounds like a work for next contrbutors meet-up session ;) fast review all patches ;) | 15:33 |
| skraynev | by whole team | 15:33 |
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| therve | OK, so it doesn't sound that we have a consensus :) | 15:34 |
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| zaneb | I think we have a consensus that we need to go through the review backlog, and that some of the patches in that backlog should be abandoned | 15:34 |
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| shardy | +1 | 15:35 |
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| skraynev | I agree with adding comment like "are you plan to work on it" for patches older then 6 month and if it will not get effect after 1 month - abandon them | 15:35 |
| skraynev | zaneb: how about this ^ ? | 15:35 |
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| therve | skraynev, Won't commenting on it "update" the review? | 15:36 |
| skraynev | therve: give a list, I will try to write a bot for it :) | 15:36 |
| jdob | a comment won't bump it up in the list though, will it | 15:36 |
| jdob | ? | 15:36 |
| jdob | or is that just how I have my dash setup | 15:37 |
| skraynev | doh. it's true, I forgot about it | 15:37 |
| therve | I believe it changes the "Updated" field, but maybe I miss something | 15:37 |
| skraynev | then it is a bad idea | 15:37 |
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| therve | OK, so review triage day it is? | 15:38 |
| jdob | oh shit, you're right, it does change the updated | 15:38 |
| zaneb | I'm looking at gertty, which lists patches in the order they were submitted... y'all would be surprised how few have not been updated since 2015 (I'd guess <50) | 15:38 |
| skraynev | therve: unfortunately is will push it on the top | 15:38 |
| skraynev | like her https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/heat | 15:38 |
| skraynev | *here | 15:38 |
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| zaneb | impressed we still have one 5-digit review number open :D | 15:39 |
| therve | zaneb, Yeah I know that's why I wanted to extend the deadline :) | 15:39 |
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| skraynev | wow. 225 patches in line and 10 of them from 2014 :) | 15:40 |
| therve | jdob, That's how I manage to keep my patches on top in other projects :D | 15:41 |
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| jdob | oh my god, i'm going to abuse the hell out of this knowledge | 15:41 |
| therve | Heh heh | 15:41 |
| skraynev | therve: I suppose, that right idea to be a good example for reviewers, let's start cleaning fro our own patches | 15:41 |
| therve | Anyway if everyone could take some time to look at the end of the list and see what's there, that'd be cool | 15:41 |
| skraynev | I abandoned 2 really old patches | 15:41 |
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| skraynev | p.s. it were my patches ;) of course | 15:42 |
| therve | shardy, And yeah we need to see what to do about bugs as well... Though it's a bit easier with milestones | 15:42 |
| therve | #topic Open discussion | 15:42 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: I see ,that you also have some old patch ;) | 15:43 |
| KanagarajM | will this help: (project:openstack/heat OR project:openstack/python-heatclient OR project:openstack/heat-templates OR project:openstack/heat-specs) status:open before:2016-01-01 | 15:43 |
| KanagarajM | before tag always see the time of summit of patch | 15:43 |
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| KanagarajM | so i feel even if review comment, it won't bother the 'before' tag | 15:43 |
| skraynev | therve: another known issue is - bugs targeted on heat-next or heat-future - we need to re-review them probably | 15:43 |
| therve | Yeah... | 15:44 |
| shardy | There's stuff like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110714/ which refers to an AFAIK still unfixed adopt bug | 15:46 |
| shardy | we probably need to either find someone to pick that up, or deprecate adopt and wontfix the bug | 15:46 |
| shardy | (I know we already disabled it by default) | 15:46 |
| zaneb | shardy: Drago is looking at the abandon/adopt stuff. but we agreed that abandon is a higher priority | 15:47 |
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| shardy | zaneb: ack, sure - it's just an example of some of the things we lose track of if we have a mechanical solution to abandon based on age | 15:48 |
| zaneb | agree | 15:48 |
| shardy | I guess we still have the bug in that case | 15:48 |
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| zaneb | true, and hopefully the bot has linked the review so it doesn't get completely lost | 15:49 |
| Drago | I understood adopt to be deprecated in the future and haven't looked into that at all | 15:49 |
| skraynev | zaneb: could you clarify for me: what does mean "looking" ? fix it or deprecating this staff ? | 15:49 |
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| therve | skraynev, Fixing it hopefully :) | 15:50 |
| zaneb | skraynev: I think he just answered your question ;) | 15:50 |
| therve | At least abandon *can* work | 15:50 |
| ramishra | lol | 15:50 |
| zaneb | AIUI abandon is going to get fixed | 15:50 |
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| zaneb | nobody cares a lot about adopt | 15:50 |
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| zaneb | and if we ever get external resources then we can abandon abandon too | 15:51 |
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| therve | It's almost there | 15:51 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yeah perhaps we deprecate and remove adopt in favor of the external resource thing | 15:51 |
| skraynev | zaneb: yeah I see :) | 15:52 |
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| skraynev | therve: deprecation - fixes everything, unfortunately it's not the best "fixing" | 15:52 |
| therve | :) | 15:52 |
| skraynev | shardy: IMO, sounds good | 15:52 |
| Drago | IIRC, the only bugs left in the abandon/adopt topic are for adopt | 15:52 |
| Drago | zaneb: So abandon may be fixed already :) | 15:53 |
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| zaneb | great :) | 15:53 |
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| therve | Alright | 15:54 |
| therve | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 15:54:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| therve | Thanks all! | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-25-15.00.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-25-15.00.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-25-15.00.log.html | 15:54 |
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| dougwig | hi all | 17:32 |
| boden | howdy | 17:32 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 17:32 |
| kevinbenton | Hi | 17:32 |
| HenryG | armax said he might lurk | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 17:33:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:33 |
| dougwig | hi all | 17:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:33 |
| armax | here | 17:34 |
| armax | and not here | 17:34 |
| dougwig | haha, hi armax. | 17:34 |
| dougwig | #topic Brief status | 17:34 |
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| dougwig | boden, how goes the agent stuff? | 17:34 |
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| boden | I have 3 patches out for review | 17:35 |
| boden | And a few more I could throw out there as well, but have been waiting for a few others to merge to reduce a (patch) dependency chain | 17:35 |
| boden | That’s what I got : ) | 17:35 |
| dougwig | are they all ready for review, or still wip? | 17:36 |
| boden | they are ready | 17:36 |
| HenryG | ok, I will start reviewing | 17:36 |
| boden | if a WIP I already try to put that in the commit subject | 17:36 |
| boden | ok thanks | 17:36 |
| dougwig | ok, good. | 17:36 |
| dougwig | henry, you were going to rebase your db stuff? | 17:36 |
| HenryG | the context & policy patch is rebased | 17:37 |
| boden | I think I had some outstanding comments on the your db patch HenryG | 17:37 |
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| HenryG | the db one I am still working on to avoid OVO implications | 17:38 |
| dougwig | alright, let's get to a fun topic | 17:38 |
| dougwig | #topic Gate jobs | 17:38 |
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| dougwig | we had the 0.2.0 release this week, and it busted neutron. | 17:39 |
| dougwig | armax and i discussed gating the lib on more of the neutron jobs. | 17:39 |
| dougwig | any objections or comments to that? | 17:39 |
| HenryG | +1 | 17:39 |
| boden | agreed +1 | 17:39 |
| dougwig | i have cycles to look at that next week, unless someone wants to pick up the torch sooner? but i'm dang well taking memorial day weekend off. :) | 17:40 |
| dougwig | what jobs should we add? definitely unit. we already do -full. | 17:40 |
| HenryG | not functional, too flakey | 17:40 |
| boden | dougwig I don’t mind helping where I can, but maybe a little slow to ramp-up | 17:40 |
| kevinbenton | Can we just add them all as periodic or experimental? | 17:41 |
| dougwig | boden: thanks, and no worries, you help with the reviews to get to know how those pieces work. | 17:41 |
| armax | dougwig: unit would suffice, HenryG and I thought about a couple of strategies | 17:41 |
| kevinbenton | We K | 17:41 |
| dougwig | armax/HenryG - shoot | 17:41 |
| kevinbenton | We only really need to pay attention at release | 17:41 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: i'd prefer that master was always pullable, IMO. | 17:41 |
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| armax | dougwig: one step is getting unit tests to co-gate | 17:42 |
| armax | dougwig: this is inline with what is suggested in the stadium spec too | 17:42 |
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| dougwig | armax: by co-gate, you mean running lib unit tests for neutron changes? | 17:42 |
| armax | dougwig: no, the otehr way around | 17:42 |
| dougwig | ok, yes, definitely. | 17:43 |
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| armax | dougwig: running neutron’s unit tests on neutron-lib changes | 17:43 |
| dougwig | arguably we should run all stadium project unit tests. | 17:43 |
| armax | dougwig: we could do so on a periodic basis rather than a check basis | 17:43 |
| armax | dougwig: but that’s splitting hair | 17:43 |
| dougwig | unit tests are cheap/fast compared to the -full that's already in there. | 17:43 |
| armax | dougwig: indeed | 17:43 |
| dougwig | we can also likely make a job that runs all the projects unit tests in one job. | 17:43 |
| armax | dougwig: however, when it’s time for a release | 17:43 |
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| armax | we may be potentially break other projects too like functional, fullstack, grenade, multi | 17:44 |
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| armax | dougwig: and it would be nice if we could figure out a way to test the whole lot at once before we pull the trigger during a release | 17:44 |
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| armax | eventually the level of decoupling will be adequate enough that we no longer need that | 17:45 |
| dougwig | sort of a 'check release' type thing? i'm sure we could abuse experimental for that. or run them all the time. | 17:45 |
| armax | dougwig: indeed | 17:45 |
| dougwig | will infra add a new pipeline for that, i wonder? | 17:45 |
| armax | dougwig: something along those lines, I think I need a little more brainstorming on the actual strategy though | 17:45 |
| dougwig | i'm not opposed to running all of the neutron jobs on every change, to be honest. | 17:45 |
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| armax | dougwig: we could gauge the appetite | 17:45 |
| armax | dougwig: they have an experimental-tripleo one | 17:46 |
| armax | dougwig: but it might not be necessary | 17:46 |
| armax | dougwig: for neutron-lib you mean? | 17:46 |
| dougwig | dhellmann: are you around? are there any provisions for doing an extra big set of test jobs prior to a lib release, or are they usually all just put into check/gate and run every time? | 17:46 |
| dougwig | armax: yes. | 17:46 |
| armax | dougwig: it seems like an overkill | 17:47 |
| armax | dougwig: until a new release any change is ineffective | 17:47 |
| dougwig | armax: unless you run master. | 17:47 |
| armax | dougwig: no-one would run neutron-lib master | 17:48 |
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| dougwig | i thought that about neutron, too. | 17:48 |
| armax | to start off running unit tests on check (or periodic) would suffice, then we can iterate and plug any remaining hole as it shows up | 17:49 |
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| dougwig | i'd vote for unit tests in check, because they're quick/cheap. | 17:49 |
| armax | in the meantime if we can figure out a way to check the effect of a new release on a ad hoc basis | 17:49 |
| armax | for all neutron’s jobs that’s a bonus | 17:50 |
| armax | dougwig: ok, I was going to put that together, unfornately it’s not that simple than adding a single line to project-config | 17:50 |
| HenryG | why not? | 17:50 |
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| dougwig | armax: no, because you need the repo on disk, and to not pull requirements. i know how to set those up, though. | 17:51 |
| armax | HenryG: ^ | 17:51 |
| armax | dougwig: ack | 17:51 |
| HenryG | hmph | 17:51 |
| armax | we’d need to do something like the periodic oslo jobs | 17:51 |
| armax | dougwig: right? | 17:51 |
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| dougwig | for devstack, you use LIBS_FROM_GIT. for unit, i forget what i did. but i usually use the oslo templates when i can (which is what the master/master job in neutron experimental is using.) | 17:52 |
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| armax | dougwig: ack | 17:52 |
| armax | so maybe you and I can reconvene later offline to agree on who does what | 17:53 |
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| dougwig | ok, sounds good. | 17:53 |
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| armax | dougwig: thanks | 17:53 |
| dougwig | my only invariant is that i *am* installing solar on the roof of my RV this weekend. | 17:53 |
| dougwig | :) | 17:53 |
| armax | dougwig: who said I was going to work over the weekend? | 17:53 |
| dougwig | that's been my last two months. | 17:54 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 17:54 |
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| dougwig | any other topics for today? | 17:54 |
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| boden | nothing from me | 17:54 |
| HenryG | Enabling depends-on: a neutron-lib patch in neutron | 17:54 |
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| HenryG | The whole tox_install.sh thingy | 17:55 |
| HenryG | Can it be done? | 17:55 |
| dougwig | so you run the units with non-pypi lib, i take it? | 17:56 |
| dougwig | it'd be easier to flip the arrow and put the jobs on the lib side, so we have that mess in one spot. | 17:56 |
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| HenryG | yeah, that makes sense | 17:59 |
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| HenryG | nothing else from me | 18:00 |
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| dougwig | ok, let's blast out of here. | 18:03 |
| dougwig | #endmeeitng | 18:03 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 18:03:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-25-17.33.html | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-25-17.33.txt | 18:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-25-17.33.log.html | 18:03 |
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| rockyg | hey! nanyone around for logging? jokke_ rbradfor ? | 20:00 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, I am around, however I have nothing of note to add from prior discussions. | 20:01 |
| rockyg | cool. I want to change the frequency of the meeting to either every other week or monthly. Which do you think is best? | 20:02 |
| rockyg | And I won't start a meeting for today, because I've got nutnin, either | 20:02 |
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| rbradfor | I feel having a monthly scheduled meeting with the opportunity to raise topic and suggest meeting more regularly is a moderated approach. | 20:03 |
| rbradfor | with a much smaller involvement of people and those not working on things all the time means reporting things is not as common | 20:04 |
| rockyg | Cool. I'll try and get my gerrit reconfigured so I can submit the patch. Thanks. | 20:04 |
| rbradfor | ok | 20:04 |
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| rhallisey | #startmeeting kolla | 23:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 23:15:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhallisey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:15 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 23:15 |
| rhallisey | #topic rollcall | 23:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:15 | |
| rhallisey | hello | 23:15 |
| vhosakot | o/ | 23:15 |
| rhallisey | 15min late. We'll see who's here | 23:15 |
| rhallisey | #topic Open Discussion | 23:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:16 | |
| rhallisey | anything you | 23:16 |
| rhallisey | you'd like to add vhosakot ? | 23:16 |
| rhallisey | looks like lbaas is going well | 23:17 |
| rhallisey | kolla-kubernetes is making solid progress | 23:17 |
| vhosakot | yeah.. lbaas is going good.. I'm testing it on Ubuntu... I'm working on fixing magnum | 23:17 |
| rhallisey | nice | 23:18 |
| rhallisey | I guess that's all then :) | 23:18 |
| rhallisey | thanks vhosakot | 23:18 |
| rhallisey | #endmeeting kolla | 23:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 23:18:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-25-23.15.html | 23:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-25-23.15.txt | 23:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-25-23.15.log.html | 23:18 |
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