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| mfedosin | where's Glance meeting? | 14:02 |
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| nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 14:03:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:03 |
| tsymanczyk | \o | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:03 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:03 |
| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 14:03 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:03 |
| wxy | o/ | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | \o | 14:03 |
| nikhil | for some reason my previous message did not go through | 14:03 |
| * nikhil had to restart irc | 14:04 | |
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| jokke_ | ah | 14:04 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | let's beging then | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:04 |
| kairat | o/ | 14:04 |
| nikhil | Small agenda today | 14:04 |
| nikhil | some people haven't read my mails | 14:05 |
| nikhil | Let's get to that later. | 14:05 |
| nikhil | #topic Updates | 14:05 |
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| nikhil | #info Glare updates ( mfedosin , nikhil ) | 14:05 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | we finished the spec and waiting for reviews :) | 14:06 |
| croelandt | o/ | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | there are a lot of use cases and examples, that should help you (in theory) to understand how API works | 14:07 |
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| mfedosin | so if you have time leave your comments there | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | thanks in advance :) | 14:07 |
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| mfedosin | also we are working on tests for Glare | 14:08 |
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| mfedosin | I think we will present code for review on 6th of June | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | if you have any questions I'm happy to answer | 14:09 |
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| nikhil | I have a few things to update/add | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: shoot :) | 14:10 |
| nikhil | that I've mentioned to mfedosin | 14:10 |
| nikhil | #1. Let's work on only a POC | 14:10 |
| nikhil | #2. All things upstream to help engage community in discussion and code. So, no internal discussions after a POC and openstack usualy channels based communication and development. | 14:11 |
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| nikhil | #3. Dissolving the ownership quotient -- since this is not a feature and entire service, we need everyone on the same page and ability to contribute. Let's provide a platform for that. | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: also we decided that API will be marked as 'experimental' initially | 14:12 |
| nikhil | #4. Newton priority for Glare should be bare-bone code that will be used by a couple of early adopters that will help us evolve the API. By newton-3 we need to target a stable API. | 14:13 |
| nikhil | #5. Stop all discussions on extra features and work on builing the community right after a POC is ready for review. (something not a WIP and set up in small patches easier to review and contribute as applicable) | 14:13 |
| nikhil | #6. All bugs and stabilization should be done using LP and Mike was going to help setup a etherpad for that to enable pick up tasks/bugs to contribute. | 14:14 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: right, the 'experimental' within newton but Current by newton-3 | 14:14 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: anything else? | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | #7. Glare should be awesome | 14:15 |
| nikhil | ++ | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | ^ it's the basic requirement :) | 14:15 |
| nikhil | It will be -- all awesome people work in Glance. | 14:15 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | thanks nikhil | 14:16 |
| nikhil | #info Nova v1, v2 (mfedosin, sudipto) | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | okay, I added unit tests there | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321551/ | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | now there are 1750 LOC :) | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | today I'll upload code for XEN | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | then we have to wait for reviews | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | yesterday multinode gates were broken and Jenkins put -1 for that reason | 14:18 |
| * nikhil can be added to the reviews when they are posted/ready | 14:19 | |
| mfedosin | nikhil: sure, in a couple of hours | 14:19 |
| nikhil | np, that's in general | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | ok, let's move on then | 14:20 |
| nikhil | Thanks mfedosin | 14:20 |
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| mfedosin | I'll add Matt, Sean and other Nova team members then | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | well you'd ask them before you add | 14:21 |
| mfedosin | as reviewers | 14:21 |
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| mfedosin | but I have to mention... | 14:21 |
| mfedosin | it's the final time I rewrite this code :) | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | my changes for devstack are still pending review | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I'll probably start pinging ppl aggressively | 14:22 |
| tsymanczyk | i think that's reasonable. | 14:22 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: give us the link | 14:22 |
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| jokke_ | mfedosin: not blaming you for that | 14:22 |
| nikhil | flaper87: ++ | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315190/ | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: it's a devstack review, I'll start pinging devstack folks | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: you're fine | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | ... for now | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:23 |
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| jokke_ | flaper87: you give us the link, we keep it at the top of the list with nagging comments :D | 14:23 |
| mfedosin | I don't want to rewrite it from scratch again :( | 14:24 |
| nikhil | ok, let's move on here | 14:24 |
| nikhil | #topic Releases (nikhil) | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (nikhil) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:24 | |
| nikhil | #info newton-1 next Tuesday May 31st | 14:24 |
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| nikhil | So, if anyone sees anything outstanding that needs to go in newton-1 let me know _today_ | 14:25 |
| nikhil | there's no release liaison in newton so, I am handling releases | 14:25 |
| nikhil | Also, I think we can take the opportunity to propose a release for the client and store next week around Thursday | 14:26 |
| nikhil | that way glance reviewers will have focus on knocking out release specific stuff | 14:26 |
| nikhil | the release itself may not go through until later (as and when release team gets time to get those released) | 14:26 |
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| nikhil | moving on | 14:27 |
| nikhil | #topic Announcements (nikhil) | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (nikhil) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:27 | |
| nikhil | I sent a Best practices for meetings email | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: does Newton-1 (supposed) wirk with the latest release of store? | 14:27 |
| * jokke_ haven't check | 14:27 | |
| nikhil | jokke_: me neither. but that's a detail. we can time the releases to make stuff work (whether to release store before or after newton-1) | 14:28 |
| nikhil | on my note about meetings: | 14:28 |
| nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095599.html | 14:28 |
| nikhil | please read that carefully | 14:28 |
| nikhil | try to be faster in updates (and precise) | 14:29 |
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| nikhil | any doubts or concerns? | 14:29 |
| kairat | Please make sure you add your discussion topic at least 24 hours before the scheduled meeting. | 14:29 |
| kairat | Can we make exception for request for reviews? | 14:30 |
| nikhil | nope | 14:30 |
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| flaper87 | I'd actually like to avoid using the meeting to request reviews | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | unless the review requires some actual discussion | 14:30 |
| nikhil | ++ | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:30 |
| kairat | So do we have an etherpad where we can track that | 14:30 |
| kairat | Maybe I missed that | 14:31 |
| nikhil | what? | 14:31 |
| nikhil | kairat: you are asking for tracking reviews? | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | my advice would be to reach out to the people you need reviews from if really needed. | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | or ping out at #openstack-glance | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | Also, keep in mind that pinging/requesting reviews so frequently is not really nice | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | but that might be just me | 14:31 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: yes and no | 14:31 |
| nikhil | flaper87: sometime people want/need reminders if they get busy with internal stuff | 14:32 |
| nikhil | so, please check with individuals you are asking for reviews | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: note that I said "so frequently" ;) | 14:32 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: ok, thanks :-) | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | I didn't generalized | 14:32 |
| kairat | Ok, I was talking about etherpad with priority reviews for that week like for example Heat does | 14:32 |
| nikhil | flaper87: perfect | 14:32 |
| nikhil | kairat: ok, thanks for that clarification | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | kairat: +1 , more work for nikhil but would be really helpful | 14:33 |
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| nikhil | I used to do that before but many times people didn't pay attention | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | I'm fine without one extra etherpad I forget to follow ;) | 14:34 |
| nikhil | I can look into that process a bit more. It's a bit of maintenance by itself. | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | Unless people make checking the ehterpad an habit, I believe it's not really useful | 14:34 |
| nikhil | yeah, people have their own preferences | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | The dashboard helped a lot during Mitaka (IMHO) and for the cases it didn't, I used to chase people down | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: or maybe a demo of good gerrit practices -- i have mostly "folk knowledge" of gerrit, i'm sure i don't use it effieciently | 14:34 |
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| nikhil | rosmaita: noted | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | like, i guess i should look at flaper87 's dashboard more often | 14:35 |
| hemanthm | can we do something on the dashboard to reflect the importance? | 14:35 |
| kairat | ++ to hemanthm | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | hemanthm: yes and no | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: add the repos you need as followed under your settings, never go past page 2 unless you're bored and wanna clean up ;) | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | I mean, it can be done but it's a bit hacked in as there's no support for proper hashtags in our version of gerrit | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | What I did in mitaka is tag reviews with "Mitaka Priority" or something like that | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | and have the dashboard run a regex there and group those | 14:36 |
| kairat | It looks like too long discussion | 14:36 |
| kairat | we can discuss that in e-mail I guess | 14:36 |
| nikhil | ok, let's see if we can come up with something offline | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | topics would work but they are overwritten on every new ps | 14:36 |
| * flaper87 stf | 14:36 | |
| flaper87 | u | 14:36 |
| hemanthm | thanks flaper87 | 14:36 |
| nikhil | flaper87: mind taking a action item for what all you did in mitaka? | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | sure, I can write all that down if that helps | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:37 |
| nikhil | thanks, that's what we were looking for | 14:37 |
| nikhil | we can share knowledge on this | 14:37 |
| nikhil | on the meetings' etherpad best practices section | 14:38 |
| nikhil | look at our agenda pad starting line 21 right now | 14:38 |
| nikhil | I can take questions offline | 14:38 |
| nikhil | #topic Deleting images that arebeing used by Nova: do we want the same behaviour for raw and qcow2 images? (croelandt) | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deleting images that arebeing used by Nova: do we want the same behaviour for raw and qcow2 images? (croelandt) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:39 | |
| nikhil | croelandt: floor is yours | 14:39 |
| croelandt | so :) | 14:39 |
| croelandt | At Red Hat, we have a customer that complains about the following issue: | 14:40 |
| croelandt | 1) They create an image in glance | 14:40 |
| croelandt | 2) they boot a VM in Nova using the image created in 1) | 14:40 |
| croelandt | 3) they try to delete the image in glance | 14:40 |
| croelandt | Now, depending on the format of the image, it may or may not be deleted | 14:40 |
| croelandt | if it is a raw image, it is considered "in use" and cannot be deleted | 14:40 |
| croelandt | if it is a qcow image, it can be deleted | 14:40 |
| croelandt | We were wondering whether the behaviour should become more "consistent" from a user point of view | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | So, lemme try to expand on this a bit more, if you don't mind. | 14:41 |
| mfedosin | do they delete image with Nova? | 14:41 |
| croelandt | Even though we might have to use some tricks to make it happen in glance | 14:41 |
| croelandt | flaper87: sure | 14:41 |
| croelandt | mfedosin: no, they use "glance image-delete" iirc | 14:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | == flaper87 | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | The customer is using ceph and therefore, on raw images, ceph is doing a COW and basically marking the image as in-use | 14:41 |
| * sigmavirus24 was catching up sorry | 14:42 | |
| flaper87 | I think this is a ceph specific case and I'm not sure we should expose it through the API. | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | I don't think this happens with other sotres, at least. | 14:42 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: correct | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ++ | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | So, is the question: We should forbid deleting glance images if there's an instance running? | 14:43 |
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| flaper87 | well, I failed to ask that with proper english | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | but you got it | 14:43 |
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| mfedosin | but it's a big security issue | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | ceph puts a lock on the file and prevents the deletion on that level | 14:43 |
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| flaper87 | I'd say no as I don't think we should have that sort of dependencies | 14:43 |
| mfedosin | if image is public and it cannot be deleted | 14:43 |
| mfedosin | if somebody uses it | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: exactly, plus a bunch of other things | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | that would imply adding support for "force" deletes and who knows what else | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: that means that someone has failed on the deployment as glance clearly does not own the image data | 14:44 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: frankly speaking we have a bunch of those issues from our customers as well with ceph | 14:45 |
| nikhil | I'd a chat with nova folks on this ceph case | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: that's fine but I think it's a ceph specific case | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | I don't think it's Glance's problem, TBH | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: flaper87 ++ | 14:45 |
| nikhil | the reason they want to support this off-the-band on-line usage of the image data in ceph pool as it's a popular way | 14:45 |
| hemanthm | Dealing with this on the glance side means glance now has to keep track of image usage, which really shouldn't be a concern for Glance. | 14:46 |
| nikhil | and they have some in-tree workarounds to keep consistency with glance constructs | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | hemanthm: right and we should also consider multi-clouds | 14:46 |
| kairat | ++ to hemanthm | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | I mean, in general, I don't think Glance should get in the business of tracking this | 14:47 |
| nikhil | so, like flaper87 and hemanthm are saying it's an edge case and should not be a top level feature in glance. | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | Now, we do want to provide a better story for this, though. Is the scrubber the answer for this? Just have delayed deletes enabled and deal with this on the scrubber side ? | 14:47 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_ mentioned the scrubber is buggy but that's something we can work on to fix if it's | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: in Glare we're going to use shadow copy + delayed delete | 14:48 |
| croelandt | We'd have to know exactly *how* it is buggy, first :) | 14:48 |
| nikhil | I am not sure atm how I feel about scrubber | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | croelandt: ++ :) | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | it works for the general case from what I have seen | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | croelandt sure, that's why I'm pinging jokke_. He probably has more info | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | however, I don't know how scrubber can ensure there is no image usage anymore | 14:49 |
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| nikhil | we need to move on | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | hemanthm: it doesn't. It just tries to delete the data | 14:49 |
| nikhil | croelandt: did you get a direction? | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | hemanthm: it'll keep retrying until it manages to delete it | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | prolly not the right solution, though | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: I think the idea behind that was to get user off from the synchronous delete and let scrubber fail as long as storage reports back busy | 14:50 |
| nikhil | flaper87: it feels like a hack | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | just an idea, that's the best I can come upwith right now | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: it is a hack | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:50 |
| nikhil | one can write a crop job | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | but, the question is: Can we make it not a hack? | 14:50 |
| hemanthm | it's a decent workaround | 14:50 |
| nikhil | that runs a script in periodic intervals doing "image-delete" | 14:50 |
| croelandt | nikhil: well, I guess I could discuss this with jokke_ and flaper87 | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | Can we support this use case through the scrubber ? | 14:50 |
| croelandt | and re-submit our findings for another meeting | 14:50 |
| nikhil | cron* | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | please no | 14:50 |
| * flaper87 stfu and lets the meeting to move on | 14:50 | |
| hemanthm | jokke_: yes, makes sense | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | for the support | 14:51 |
| nikhil | let's discuss offline | 14:51 |
| nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | I really feel like that's can of worms we really don't want to open | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: I didn't mean support of the dependency use case but the delete retries (I'm done, I swear) | 14:51 |
| mfedosin | Alex asks for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320912/ | 14:51 |
| nikhil | so, kairat you posted a late request | 14:51 |
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| kairat | So oslo.log folks are going to remove verbose option | 14:52 |
| kairat | we need to be prepared for that | 14:52 |
| kairat | nikhil, yep, I know | 14:52 |
| kairat | That's why I asked about clarification | 14:52 |
| nikhil | (but I guess we can ignore that for this week as you'd questions) | 14:52 |
| nikhil | cool | 14:52 |
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| kairat | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317579, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317556 - please review that, oslo.folks asked to remove that a month ago | 14:53 |
| kairat | flaper87, jokke_ , hemanthm nikhil rosmaita ^ | 14:53 |
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| nikhil | thanks kairat , good heads up. guess we can try to get that in by n-1 | 14:54 |
| nikhil | same is the case with rosmaita (late request) | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | same request as last meeting | 14:54 |
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| jokke_ | kairat: not against the change itself nor it's reasoning ... I'm sure oslo folks will follow standard deprecation so it's not huge rush ... but what I'd like to have is reference to that deprecation in the commit messages | 14:54 |
| kairat | See "[openstack-dev] [oslo][all] oslo.log `verbose` and $your project" for more information | 14:54 |
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| rosmaita | would like to get the v1 api-ref in-tree soon, will make it easier to make corrections | 14:54 |
| kairat | jokke_, ok, will do | 14:54 |
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| hemanthm | ++ jokke_ | 14:55 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: perfect | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: can we not introduce that as we're deprecating the api | 14:55 |
| * jokke_ ducks | 14:55 | |
| nikhil | lol | 14:56 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: unfortunately, at the moment, it's "supported" | 14:56 |
| nikhil | jokke_: I hope that was not a serious question? | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | which includes providing docs | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: that is quickly fixed | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | I think flaper87 has patch waiting | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | yes, one way to get people to not use it is to hide the docs! | 14:57 |
| nikhil | well, we need to have API ref | 14:57 |
| nikhil | doesn't matter current, supported or deprecated | 14:57 |
| nikhil | no, we do not want to do that | 14:57 |
| nikhil | we want to increase the docs | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | I actually do | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:57 |
| nikhil | last thing we need is another set of angry customers who do not have a reference | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | I don't see point ot hold hand how to use something we don't want anyone to use | 14:57 |
| nikhil | even for the sake of migration | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:58 |
| nikhil | so, docs docs docs! | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: trade you a review of your slide deck for a review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312259/ ! | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: deal | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | excellent! | 14:58 |
| nikhil | looks like those are the things for today? | 14:58 |
| nikhil | let's close this early to help setup the virtual sync | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | i will revise my timeframe and look at the deck this afternoon | 14:58 |
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| * flaper87 is ready for the virtual meeting | 14:59 | |
| * rosmaita is not | 14:59 | |
| nikhil | Thanks all. | 14:59 |
| nikhil | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 14:59:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-26-14.03.html | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-26-14.03.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-26-14.03.log.html | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: are you eveR? are you? | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:59 |
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| jokke_ | me has 4min clock pending | 15:00 |
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| sjmc7 | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 15:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | morning all | 15:01 |
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| lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
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| rosmaita | sjmc7: i am on vacation this week, will not be attending | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | but yet..! | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | thanks for letting me know, have a nice break! | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | travis is also out, so i’ve got the wheel this week | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | we’ll give it a few minutes | 15:03 |
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| yingjun | :) | 15:03 |
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| sjmc7 | ok, will get started. others may drift in | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | #topic newton-1 milestone | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton-1 milestone (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:04 | |
| sjmc7 | Sometime next week is the newton-1 milestone | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | i think our aim is to have any blueprints/specs that we expect to get implemented approved by then or soon after | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | so if anyone’s got anything they would like to see, it’d be good to get something written up in the next week | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | lei-zh: the pipeline one is the only big architectural one taht came to mind | 15:05 |
| lei-zh | I'll update pipeline spec soon | 15:06 |
| lei-zh | and we can have further discussion | 15:06 |
| RickA-HP | Are there any others that folks are thinking about? Or need help with? | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | ok. yeah, hopefully we can get that moving | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | the other high priority BPs we have are mostly plugins, but we’ll review next week | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | ok, moving on | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Request for mentoring | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Request for mentoring (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:07 | |
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| sjmc7 | there was some traffic on the mailing list over the last week | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095921.html | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | we do already have some contributors that we’ve been semi-officially mentoring, but if anyone would like to officially put themself forward for it, that’s the information | 15:08 |
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| sjmc7 | as i understand it it’s intended to be a few hours a month of answering questions and being a contact for the person in the program; it’s not meant to be a full-time internship kind of thing | 15:09 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | ah, hi Kevin_Zheng | 15:10 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Sorry | 15:10 |
| Kevin_Zheng | To be late | 15:10 |
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| sjmc7 | ah, no worries. i think most of the people here are in china so thanks for attending at a late hour | 15:10 |
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| sjmc7 | #topic Lei Zhang is now core | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Lei Zhang is now core (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:10 | |
| sjmc7 | thanks lei-zh ! | 15:11 |
| lei-zh | it's my honor : ) | 15:11 |
| RickA-HP | Congrats! | 15:11 |
| yingjun | Congrats! | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | you and yingjun don’t have to wait til the next day for +2s now :) | 15:11 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Cong | 15:11 |
| lei-zh | haha, indeed | 15:11 |
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| sjmc7 | #topic Nova notification updates | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova notification updates (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:12 | |
| sjmc7 | couple of things here | 15:12 |
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| sjmc7 | first, I put a review up that reduces the number of calls to nova’s API from about 9 to 3 during boot | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317100/ | 15:13 |
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| sjmc7 | it’s a bit complicated because of some race conditions, so if people can test it that would be great | 15:13 |
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| sjmc7 | the other is that we’re still tracking nova’s move to versioned notifications | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | that spec has been approved (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286675/) so we’ll keep an eye on it | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | it looks like initially they’ll reimplment the current notifications as versioned ones, and then consider additions/changes | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | anyone else have any information or questions about that? | 15:15 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | Sure | 15:15 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | I'm working with them on that in nova | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | Kevin_Zheng actually works on nova so has real information on it :) | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | one thing that travis and i have requested once that initial work is done is making the notification payload look more like the API response since that helps us a lot with indexing | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | the nova team doesn’t seem that keen on it | 15:16 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Yes, have just started | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | but we’ll wait until the first implementation is done | 15:17 |
| yingjun_ | FYI, i uploaded the flavour notification spec today, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321336/ | 15:17 |
| Kevin_Zheng | The first one as example, so long way to go | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | ok. we’ll keep an eye on it | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | ah, excellent yingjun_. GB21 put up a patch for indexing flavors without notifications that i think you’ve been reviewing | 15:18 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Sure | 15:18 |
| yingjun_ | yeah | 15:18 |
| yingjun_ | and the hypervisor one needs one more +2 https://review.openstack.org/299807 | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i’ll ask around and see if i can find anyone available to look at it | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | it’s always a long process getting specs reviewed for the established projects :) | 15:19 |
| lei-zh | I can find some nova people to look at that spec | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | that would be great too | 15:19 |
| yingjun_ | great! | 15:20 |
| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy will be a good choice | 15:20 |
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| sjmc7 | ok | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | next up, and quite related... | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Nova microversioning | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | this is the reason Kevin_Zheng is here | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | correct me if i’m wrong - it sounds like nova’s removing the non-microversioned API at some point | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | so we need to support it sooner rather than later. i see you put a patch up today which i’ll take a look at later | 15:22 |
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| sjmc7 | this’ll also let us support some additional fields from later versions of the API | 15:23 |
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| sjmc7 | Kevin_Zheng: do you have a link for the nova work on that? | 15:23 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | I have | 15:25 |
| Kevin_Zheng | But I'm now using mobile device | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | ah :) | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | then no worries - if you could drop it in the searchlight irc room tomorrow that would be really useful | 15:25 |
| yingjun_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321375/1/specs/newton/support-nova-microversions.rst | 15:25 |
| Kevin_Zheng | And it seems I forgot to include the links | 15:26 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I will update the spec | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | ok, that’d be good as well, thanks :) | 15:26 |
| yingjun_ | is this one right? Kevin_Zheng | 15:26 |
| Kevin_Zheng | In a minute | 15:26 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Yes | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | it can wait til tomorrow, i know it’s late there | 15:26 |
| Kevin_Zheng | No warriors | 15:26 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Worries | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | thanks for jumping in on this - it’s hard for us to keep up with changes like this across so many projects | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | ok, moving on unless anyone has any more comments on that... | 15:27 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I was planning to add it but I was distracted by something | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | i know how that feels :) | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Open reviews | 15:28 |
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| sjmc7 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(project:openstack/searchlight+OR+project:openstack/searchlight-specs+OR+project:openstack/python-searchlightclient+OR+openstack/searchlight-ui) | 15:28 |
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| sjmc7 | if anyone’s got any experience with angular, reviews for the UI patches would be good | 15:28 |
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| sjmc7 | we do have some horizon cores that spend a little time on them, and i know yingjun_ has put some patches up | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | it’s not really my area of expertise | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | so i guess i should get better :) thanks to everyone for being on top of reviews though; we’ve done a good job of not letting things sit for too long | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | ok.. that was all i had on the agenda | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Open discussion | 15:30 |
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| sjmc7 | if there’s anything else people want to discuss, feel free to bring it up | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | otherwise i’ll give it a few minutes and let everyone get to bed. meetings are quick when people are away on vacation | 15:31 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7: or hiding in plain sight | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | :O | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | you’re just like my driving instructor; silent for 30 minutes then scaring me at the end | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | that was all wrong | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | ;) | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | i can already feel travis reading the transcript and shaking his head | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | in your test environments, are you doing any rate limiting on nova API? | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | no, because i think we’d hit it :) that’s why we’re desperately trying to reduce the number of calls we make | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | right | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | the move from 9 -> 3 is great | 15:33 |
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| sjmc7 | it’s still too many | 15:34 |
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| david-lyle | but 3 is still a lot | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | yes | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. we could remove another one | 15:34 |
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| sjmc7 | the pre-scheduling one | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | or do a partial document for that first one | 15:34 |
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| sjmc7 | maybe i’ll do that as well | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | i’ve always said though that we need to aim for no API calls at all | 15:34 |
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| david-lyle | I'm glad progress is being made | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. it’s definitely a very valid concern | 15:35 |
| david-lyle | that certainly should be the goal and if nova is going to point people to searchlight, seems like they should help with the notifications to make sure it works | 15:35 |
| david-lyle | not have two hands working in opposite directions | 15:35 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, we’re hoping that is the case, although i’m not sure the two groups are working closely | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | well not to be solved here | 15:36 |
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| sjmc7 | no. we’ll keep working on them | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | ok, unless anyone had anything else, i’ll call it | 15:36 |
| * david-lyle is done | 15:36 | |
| sjmc7 | thanks everyone, especially where it’s 11pm! | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | congrats lei-zh | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
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| RickA-HP | Bye | 15:37 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 15:37:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-26-15.01.html | 15:37 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-26-15.01.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-26-15.01.log.html | 15:37 |
| lei-zh | thanks | 15:37 |
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| lei-zh | bye | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | g’night! | 15:37 |
| lei-zh | Zzzzz:) | 15:37 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 16:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Rollcall & agenda | 16:00 |
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| automagically_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 16:01 |
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| michaelgugino | hi | 16:01 |
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| spotz | \o/ | 16:02 |
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| jmccrory_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | alrighty, let's get going on it | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Review action items | 16:04 |
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| odyssey4me | I did request the releases for Liberty & Mitaka - they finally got processed today. | 16:04 |
| asettle | Bit late o/ | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | Our stable branch release requests now need to be reviewed by both the stable branch team and the release team. | 16:05 |
| evrardjp | asettle: that's rude | 16:05 |
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| evrardjp | oh you meant for being there, not for the release | 16:05 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:05 |
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| asettle | evrardjp: wow dude. ha. | 16:05 |
| evrardjp | ETA odyssey4me? | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #info All stable branch releases now require a minimum of a two day lead time as they require reviews by both the stable team and the releases team. | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp the last release requests got processed today - they were requested last week | 16:07 |
| evrardjp | now I understand | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | it's just FYI - the process is now quite onerous and I'm trying to work with both teams to make it go quicker. | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | Another action item on me was to retire the py_from_git repo - that's in progress: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:retire-repo | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | unfortunately a lot of -infra's reviewers have been in sprints for the last two weeks, so I'm not getting much traction on reviews | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | I have several waiting for reviews, and they're not getting attention even if I ask nicely: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:jesse-pretorius+status:open+project:openstack-infra/project-config | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | Anyway, I'll keep at that. | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Tests Repo | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | andymccr Do you have an update? | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | ok, we'll come back to it if he joins up | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Mid Cycle Planning | 16:11 |
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| odyssey4me | We discussed three options last week, and only two were of any sort of appeal. | 16:11 |
| asettle | odyssey4me: he's just logging on | 16:11 |
| asettle | laptop crashed. | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | 1 - Have a fully co-located mid cycle, most likely in the US. | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | 2 - Have a rolling mid-cycle over multiple time zones, with handovers between co-located groups. | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | Have we got any further thoughts or information regarding dates, venues, etc? | 16:13 |
| andymccr | o/ sorry for the delay - ready to loop back on test repos | 16:13 |
| automagically_ | I have not had a chance to determine which dates we could offer up to host in Philadelphia. Let me make a note to try to get that done this week | 16:14 |
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| odyssey4me | no worries andymccr - we'll get back to that shortly | 16:14 |
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| odyssey4me | ping jmccrory d34dh0r53 stevelle mattt hughsaunders andymccr mhayden re: mid cycle | 16:15 |
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| andymccr | no additional thoughts to last week - i think dates and ability to travel are the most important factor right now | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | ok, it seems like we don't have a decent quorum of cores here to make much of a decision either way, so I guess we'll have to defer that discussion to next week | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | k | 16:17 |
| stevelle | I'm here, no preset opinions on mid cycle | 16:17 |
| stevelle | I really just want to get dates first | 16:18 |
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| jmccrory | either option still works for me, but yeah, the sooner we can get dates to better to work around vacations or anything else | 16:18 |
| automagically_ | #action automagically to determine potential dates for hosting | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | thanks automagically_ | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Tests Repo | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | andymccr over to you | 16:19 |
| automagically_ | There was some discussion about hosting in San Antonio as well IIRC. Who owns the action item there for potential dates? | 16:19 |
| automagically_ | D’oh, sorry andymccr | 16:19 |
| andymccr | ok So. I have a PoC finished: https://github.com/andymcc/openstack-ansible-testing-core | 16:19 |
| andymccr | i ran into some blockers today with non-test related packaging issues | 16:19 |
| andymccr | but i confirmed that glance/swift/keystone all worked before today and nova was basically finished (i think i fixed it). | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to check on RAX hosting option in SAT, and dates | 16:19 |
| andymccr | regardless, the point is to show how i split it out, and to show some additional questions/discussion points that may arise and things we can consider | 16:20 |
| andymccr | tl;dr if people want to take a look at that repo and the links in the readme to see the changes and decide whether its a good idea or not, and and how we should do it and discuss! | 16:20 |
| stevelle | queued! | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | thanks andymccr - and thanks for describing the intents in the README :) | 16:21 |
| automagically_ | Looks cool, digging into the repo now | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | let's put this as an action point for next week? | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | #action all to take a look through, and ideally test https://github.com/andymcc/openstack-ansible-testing-core | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I think it's best we discuss it generally over the week in the channel and next week we can raise any more things | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Astara | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | Is Phil Hopkins around? | 16:23 |
| phil_h | THis is Phil | 16:23 |
| phil_h | I am here!! | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | hi phil_h - over to you :) | 16:23 |
| phil_h | Major has told me | 16:23 |
| phil_h | that you have been looking at Octavia as a loadbalancing solution | 16:24 |
| phil_h | I wanted to introduce you to Astara which can do the same thing | 16:24 |
| phil_h | Similar to Octavia it uses Vms as the loadbalancer | 16:24 |
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| automagically_ | mhayden and phil_h - Are we talking about what the use as the OSA “opinionated” out of the box implementation? | 16:25 |
| phil_h | But with the additional feature that it can implement routers in a VM also | 16:25 |
| automagically_ | s/the/we | 16:25 |
| automagically_ | Or what OSA will support and document? | 16:25 |
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| phil_h | I think for the future | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | phil_h it sounds good, and we're happy to assist someone working with us to instrument the deployment of whichever components Astara provides - but we would want someone who knows and understands Asatara and is prepared to build and maintain any instrumentation in OSA for it on an ongoing basis | 16:27 |
| phil_h | Astara can replace the standard neutron L# stuff and set up both routers and loadbalancers | 16:27 |
| phil_h | I would be willing to help and I can recruit some of the Astara folks also | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | phil_h there is also similar instrumentation for PlumGRID and Nuage already, so there's a fair amount of prior art to work with | 16:27 |
| automagically_ | So, starting point would be an openstack-ansible-os_astara role | 16:27 |
| automagically_ | Perhaps? | 16:27 |
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| phil_h | Yes | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | automagically_ it depends... | 16:28 |
| phil_h | I have a simle ansible role that can convert to astara | 16:28 |
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| phil_h | which could be used as a basis | 16:28 |
| automagically_ | Well, right…I’m just browsing the docs and it looks like there is talk of using diskimagebuilder to produce an LB appliance... | 16:28 |
| phil_h | simle -> simple | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | both PlumGRID and Nuage maintain their own roles/playbooks to setup all their bits - we only have code to connect OSA with their bits | 16:28 |
| automagically_ | phil_h - Basing that off of http://docs.akanda.io/en/latest/loadbalancer.html | 16:29 |
| phil_h | I think that is correct | 16:29 |
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| phil_h | Astara does use diskimagebuilder | 16:29 |
| phil_h | to create VM images such as the loadbalancer | 16:30 |
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| phil_h | So what is the best way to proceed? | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | it appears that someone has registered a blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/add-support-for-astara | 16:31 |
| phil_h | I will talk to Eric about it | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | phil_h the best starting point is probably to put together an etherpad with notes on what the components are and where the touch points are with the OSA implementation | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | phil_h you can use the PlumGRID and Nuage implementations as a reference to see how they work to give you ideas | 16:32 |
| phil_h | I will get started on that and I will stay in touch with everyone | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | phil_h FYI http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/install-guide/app-plumgrid.html | 16:33 |
| phil_h | I will look at how they have things set up | 16:33 |
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| odyssey4me | phil_h also http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/install-guide/app-nuage.html | 16:33 |
| phil_h | Thanks | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | you'll see how that all works in the neutron role itself https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron and for nuage there's also a bit in the nova role https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | phil_h if you can make the next meeting with a prepared etherpad, then we can discuss it together and help work out the next steps with you | 16:34 |
| phil_h | OK, Thanks | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | of course you're also welcome to ask questions in #openstack-ansible at any time | 16:35 |
| phil_h | I will!!!! | 16:35 |
| phil_h | or bug Major!! | 16:35 |
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| odyssey4me | heh, of course - you'll find plenty of peopl in the channel are always happy to help | 16:35 |
| phil_h | understand, I just like to tweek him from time to time | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | alright, moving on | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Ubuntu 16.04 LTS support | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-ubuntu16-04 | 16:36 |
| automagically_ | odyssey4me: Don’t forget #topic Deprecation of pip_lock_down please ;) | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | heh, you snuck that one in after my last refresh automagically_ :) | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, so the only roles we haven't done the var moves for to cover the Newton-1 milestone are nova, rally, ironic and magnum | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | for rally there's a review that didn't pass the gate check | 16:38 |
| michaelgugino | cloudnull did an incredible amount of work in the last work | 16:39 |
| michaelgugino | *week | 16:39 |
| automagically_ | odyssey4me: Yeah, I need to circle back to that Rally one and debug the apt issue | 16:39 |
| michaelgugino | I've been MIA working on internal sprints, I'm hoping to pick up nova possibly | 16:39 |
| automagically_ | And rally isn’t really core now, i.e. not integrated into gate | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | do we have any volunteers to take on the nova, ironic and magnum roles? remember that the Newton-1 goal is simply to apply the var pattern and have it pass the Trusty gate check, nothing more | 16:39 |
| michaelgugino | unless someone else wants it | 16:39 |
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| jmccrory | i'll take magnum | 16:39 |
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| odyssey4me | please add your name to the etherpad, thanks jmccrory | 16:40 |
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| michaelgugino | <<< nova | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | thanks michaelgugino | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | and yeah, cloudnull did manage to cover a lot of ground in the last week - but thanks to everyone for pitching in | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | what is nice is that we now have some patterns to work with for systemd support, and I think all of the infrastructure roles are already working on at least Xenial | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | can we get a volunteer to do the ironic role? | 16:42 |
| andymccr | i'll take a look | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | thanks andymccr | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | cool, Newton-1 is next week Thu/Fri | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | right, let's circle back | 16:44 |
| automagically_ | Really sneaks up | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Deprecation of pip_lockdown | 16:44 |
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| odyssey4me | automagically_ over to you | 16:44 |
| automagically_ | Just wanted to get eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313890/ as the desirable pattern moving forward | 16:44 |
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| automagically_ | So we can unblock a whole raft of jmccrory patchs | 16:45 |
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| automagically_ | Looks like odyssey4me and mattt had objections, just want to see if we can clear those up | 16:45 |
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| * odyssey4me is reading the discussion again | 16:46 | |
| evrardjp | I'll read that too | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | I've just been wondering why we should specifically apply the var there? | 16:47 |
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| odyssey4me | why not just include the role as normal, then apply the lock-down in the playbooks | 16:48 |
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| odyssey4me | the trouble here is that we're adding yet another place to look for vars being set | 16:48 |
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| automagically_ | odyssey4me: I’d be okay with that, but we are always going to set it to true in the playbooks... | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | we already have role defaults, group_vars, playbooks and overrides | 16:49 |
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| automagically_ | Sure, but this one is not something deployers are going to need to view/override | 16:49 |
| jmccrory | we're doing this already a few other roles: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-galera_client/blob/master/meta/main.yml#L37-L39 https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_build/blob/master/meta/main.yml#L33 | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | automagically_ not always, I don't think - certainly not for the repo server | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | jmccrory is there a reason why those can't live in the defaults instead? | 16:50 |
| automagically_ | If we want to do it at the playbook level, than my earlier opinion on that review stands, which is that we should remove the hard role dependency altogether | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | the role defaults? | 16:50 |
| automagically_ | And pip install and config is a decision purely made at the playbook level | 16:50 |
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| automagically_ | There really _is not_ a hard dependency as such, more of an order of operations. I think order of operations ownership between roles is largely a playbook-level concern, rather than a role concern | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | automagically_ I agree with you, but I know that cloudnull disagrees strongly and he's not present. | 16:52 |
| automagically_ | Ah, alright, then this won’t be the meeting we solve this in then ;) | 16:52 |
| jmccrory | odyssey4me: they could, for the lock down case the same ternary could be a default as well. | 16:52 |
| jmccrory | if the main concern is where the variable is defined | 16:52 |
| automagically_ | Agreed jmccrory. My remove the dependency altogether argument is a far more wide ranging and invasive one | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | Could we analyse this and give feedback next week? | 16:53 |
| automagically_ | Anyway, sounds like we #action all table pip_lock_down deprecation discussion til cloudnull returns | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | automagically_ yeah, that's my concern with that - so I'm more inclined to let this through even if I don't like it | 16:53 |
| automagically_ | odyssey4me: ++ | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | Agreed too | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | I would prefer the vars not being set in meta if possible - it just makes it that extra level more frustrating to figure things out | 16:54 |
| automagically_ | So odyssey4me - you’ll +2 if it moves to role defaults | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | but as jmccrory has noted, we already have precedent | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | the extra level is fine but for having a build dependencies system only IMO, not for using that directly | 16:54 |
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| evrardjp | but yeah, I'll analyse this further | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | automagically_ for this particular case, I really don't see why the role needs to activate the lock down at all | 16:55 |
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| automagically_ | I know…and I agree | 16:55 |
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| odyssey4me | for the other cases jmccrory pointed out, yes I think those could happily live in role defaults instead | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | then it's clearly a misuse of meta | 16:55 |
| automagically_ | But…may be worthwhile to take small steps here sufficient to drop the lockdown role | 16:55 |
| automagically_ | And then re-evaluate | 16:56 |
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| odyssey4me | automagically_ sure | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | jmccrory thoughts? | 16:56 |
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| jmccrory | i could see the lockdown var moved entirely to OSA's playbooks | 16:57 |
| automagically_ | jmccrory: And the role as well, or would you keep the role deps the way they are? | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | so if the var was set in the playbooks that need it, and the role still set as a dep then I'd be completely happy | 16:57 |
| automagically_ | We are nearly out of time, I didn’t expect this conversation to go so long | 16:57 |
| jmccrory | only pip_install in os_ role deps, OSA playbook would lock it down | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | automagically_ further suggestion to remove the role dep can be explored later | 16:58 |
| automagically_ | agree | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | ok, we're pretty much out of time | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | thanks all! | 16:59 |
| automagically_ | jmccrory: Will you propose that review to show that pattern? I think we like it | 16:59 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 16:59:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-26-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-26-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-26-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| LouisF | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 17:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| LouisF | hello all | 17:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
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| mohankumar | HI | 17:01 |
| iyamahat | hello | 17:01 |
| LouisF | i'd like to start by going over action items from last meeting | 17:01 |
| LouisF | #topic action item status | 17:02 |
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| LouisF | update of use cases to the wiki | 17:02 |
| LouisF | i see that Igor has added a use case | 17:02 |
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| LouisF | hi John | 17:03 |
| doonhammer | Hi Louis | 17:03 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: any success on adding your use case to the wiki? | 17:03 |
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| LouisF | pcarver: will you be able to add a use case to the wiki? | 17:04 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: hi | 17:05 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: hello | 17:05 |
| doonhammer | LouisF: Ubuntu said it is a bug in Openstack - opened case at support.openstack.org | 17:05 |
| LouisF | s3wong: going over adding use cases to wiki | 17:05 |
| pcarver | LouisF: I asked about use cases but I haven't been able to find any yet. I don't actually work with the VNFs, so I only have the abstract feature requirements, not concrete use cases for specific VNFs. | 17:05 |
| s3wong | LouisF: I see, AI from last week | 17:05 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: ok thanks | 17:05 |
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| LouisF | pcarver: ok thanks | 17:06 |
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| doonhammer | LouisF: I have them done - perhaps someone else can post them until I can fix my wiki access problem | 17:06 |
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| LouisF | I can post them it you send them to me | 17:07 |
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| doonhammer | LouisF: Will do | 17:07 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: thx | 17:07 |
| LouisF | next item I see is the flow classifier priority | 17:08 |
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| LouisF | mohankumar: i see there have been reviews | 17:08 |
| mohankumar | LouisF : I got little busy on other works | 17:08 |
| LouisF | of your patch | 17:08 |
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| LouisF | mohankumar: what is the patch? | 17:08 |
| mohankumar | LouisF: i ve raised WIP progress patch , may be update and open it for review | 17:09 |
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| LouisF | mohankumar: ok thanks | 17:09 |
| LouisF | pavel was also going to help with that | 17:09 |
| mohankumar | LouisF : yes | 17:09 |
| LouisF | is he on the channel? | 17:10 |
| LouisF | ok moving on | 17:11 |
| mohankumar | LouisF: By next week the patche will be in goos shape | 17:11 |
| mohankumar | *good shape | 17:11 |
| LouisF | mohankumar: great will review then | 17:11 |
| LouisF | regarding the path id generation - that work is under way | 17:12 |
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| LouisF | ok lets move on to agenda items we missed from last meeting | 17:13 |
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| LouisF | #topic SF insertion type/mode | 17:13 |
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| LouisF | we started discussing last week | 17:14 |
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| LouisF | we need to distinguish behavior of bump-in-the wire vs l2 insertion | 17:16 |
| doonhammer | LouisF: A question I had was who needs to be aware of the VNF mode , I think the SFF and/or the SFProxy. They need to have the awareness ? | 17:16 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: agree the SFF or SF proxy | 17:17 |
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| LouisF | i think this can be handled by attaching a parameter to the VNF (SF) and using a service_function_parameters attribute | 17:18 |
| LouisF | like 'insert-mode=bitw' for example | 17:19 |
| doonhammer | LouisF: So if we agree on that then we need to decide what needs to be done to support the various modes yes? | 17:19 |
| doonhammer | LouisF: Agree on mode | 17:19 |
| s3wong | LouisF: do you considered what we do today bump-in-the-wire or L2? | 17:19 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: you mean in our sfc ovs driver? | 17:20 |
| s3wong | LouisF: we are Neutron port based, so the VNFs all have Neutron port in some Neutron network | 17:20 |
| s3wong | LouisF: yes | 17:20 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: currently the ovs driver uses l2 mode | 17:21 |
| s3wong | LouisF: but OTOH, we set flow in higher precedent table such that the flow got forwarded to VNF via tunnel, so no need to enforce all SFs in SFC to be in same Neutron network | 17:21 |
| doonhammer | s3wong: bitw is fairly easy as it a passthrough, L2 and L3 get complicated as the VNF and SFF need to have an understanding | 17:21 |
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| s3wong | doonhammer: sure --- I just tried to picture if we switch to a different mode, how would the backend implementation (such as OVS) be different... | 17:23 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: how the backend driver actually handles this is really implementation | 17:23 |
| doonhammer | LouisF: by backend driver you mean ovs or ovs/ovn? | 17:23 |
| LouisF | we need to pass a hint to the driver as to the VNF behavior | 17:23 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: yes | 17:23 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: or some other driver | 17:24 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: sure, on API side it is just adding a parameter and pass it straight to driver | 17:25 |
| doonhammer | LouisF: Just thinking of how I would go about configuring a service chain implementation - especially at scale - how to comunicate all the info | 17:25 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: but at least you and I have to worry about the reference implementation :-) | 17:25 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: agree | 17:25 |
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| doonhammer | s3wong: LOL | 17:26 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: also, for L3, there is a RFE on L3 agent extension: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580239 | 17:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580239 in neutron "[RFE] Add agent extension framework for L3 agent" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Nate Johnston (nate-johnston) | 17:27 |
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| LouisF | if we pass 'insert-mode' to the driver is can then do the right thing | 17:27 |
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| doonhammer | LouisF: Yes that is the first step | 17:28 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: if we have agreement we can move forward with that | 17:29 |
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| doonhammer | LouisF +1 | 17:30 |
| LouisF | others? | 17:30 |
| s3wong | +1 | 17:30 |
| LouisF | ok I will open a bug for this | 17:30 |
| pcarver | +1 | 17:30 |
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| doonhammer | LouisF: it will be a port-pair parameter or port-pair-group | 17:30 |
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| mohankumar | +1 | 17:31 |
| s3wong | doonhammer: presumably port-pair-group --- the entire group should have the same insertion mode, I would imagine | 17:31 |
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| LouisF | probably better on the PPG as I don't see a case for a mix of bitw/l2/l3 devices | 17:31 |
| doonhammer | LouisF +1 | 17:32 |
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| LouisF | ok that meeans adding this to the PPG parameters | 17:32 |
| doonhammer | Not sure if it is possible be but would be nice to enforce the same VNF in a group | 17:32 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: +1 | 17:32 |
| doonhammer | but probably too much | 17:33 |
| LouisF | need add PPG parameter - but that has been discussed before | 17:33 |
| LouisF | #action Louis to add bud to add PPG parameter to specify insert-mode behavior for all PPs in a PPG | 17:34 |
| LouisF | bug | 17:34 |
| doonhammer | LouisF: may also need some info for load-balancing there too | 17:34 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: agree | 17:34 |
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| LouisF | ok moving on | 17:36 |
| LouisF | that next item is adding 'nsh' encap to the chain parameter | 17:36 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: long email thread on that on openstack-dev... | 17:37 |
| LouisF | #topic nsh encap specification in chain-parameter | 17:37 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: yes | 17:37 |
| mohankumar | LouisF , yes | 17:37 |
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| LouisF | from the api perspective this is simple - today the encap is mpls and we can easily add nsh | 17:38 |
| LouisF | the issue is the reference implementation | 17:39 |
| doonhammer | Was Kyle not correct when he pointed Uri to the OVS mailing list | 17:39 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: agree | 17:39 |
| doonhammer | Until there is some agreement there not much we can do apart from try and push - use cases and requirements? | 17:40 |
| doonhammer | not sure how else to push? | 17:40 |
| LouisF | Kyle was definitely said the openstack CI did not want patches | 17:40 |
| s3wong | LouisF: so Uri basically just wants us to define NSH parameters at our API level? | 17:40 |
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| doonhammer | I have OVN working without NSH - I am not sure moving NSF into networking-sfc or networking-ovn is the right approach | 17:41 |
| doonhammer | there is a new carrier service-chaining IETF RFC that is BGP focused | 17:42 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: I think Uri just wants nsh encap to be added to networking-sfc | 17:42 |
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| s3wong | doonhammer: and I am sure in near future some other people would raise us not having support for BGP based SFC to be slowing down the industry... | 17:42 |
| doonhammer | if networking-sfc is a good abstraction it should support different approaches | 17:42 |
| doonhammer | s3wong: LOL | 17:43 |
| LouisF | networking-sfc is an abstract API it does not deal with dataplane implementation | 17:43 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: +1 | 17:43 |
| doonhammer | LouisF +1 | 17:43 |
| s3wong | LouisF: our reference can't support it at this point... | 17:43 |
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| igordcard | if you are goijg to support nsh, it would be preferable to allow nsh to do what it was intended to | 17:44 |
| doonhammer | So I am with Kyle and we support what ever the drivers support | 17:44 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: we can add nsh to the ovs driver but depends on the nsh supported by ovs | 17:45 |
| mohankumar | We having ONOS +openstack reference implemention with OVS NSH , ONOS community supporting NSH | 17:45 |
| LouisF | right now we use mpls encap as a proxy for nsh | 17:45 |
| s3wong | LouisF: we can add NSH encap as optional parameters, one which would be implemented by ODL backend (once that is ready)... and the reference would return 'not implemented' exception --- doesn't look too clean though... | 17:45 |
| s3wong | mohankumar: so ONOS also uses a forked version of OVS? | 17:46 |
| mohankumar | s3wong , yes | 17:46 |
| doonhammer | In real production deployments the encap is going to be different - e.g. carrier versus data center so we need to be agnostic | 17:46 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: are there other cases in neutron where some drivers do not provide complete functionality for an api? | 17:46 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: +1 | 17:47 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: for reference? Can't think of any. Because normally adding support in reference implementation is part of the job of extending APIs | 17:47 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: so the reference implementation always supports all options offered by the api? | 17:48 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: I believe so... can't think of any exception from top of my head... | 17:49 |
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| pcarver | It would be good if the reference implementation could support everything, but the problem is that it means that you have to bypass OpenStack for anything that's only supported by some backends. | 17:50 |
| s3wong | LouisF: and it is a good rule of thumb anyway, as it is difficult for user to try out new APIs but the default keeps returning 'not implemented' exception | 17:50 |
| LouisF | s3wong: ok if that is the case the ovs driver needs to support nsh | 17:51 |
| pcarver | It's a high bar for the reference implementation to have a superset of all possible features, so what's more likely is that we would lack an API for some things that multiple SDN controllers each have their own API for | 17:51 |
| s3wong | LouisF: correct... unfortunately... | 17:51 |
| LouisF | the ovs driver is our reference implematation | 17:51 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: for analogy --- for a long time, OVS has no conntrack, and therefore security group's reference is iptables on Linux bridge hooking up with OVS | 17:52 |
| LouisF | s3wong: good case in point | 17:53 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: our problem is we need to have the same network driver as core driver for SFC to work, so even using a non-core supported fork of OVS is not acceptable | 17:53 |
| LouisF | s3wong: +1 | 17:54 |
| LouisF | ok we will monitor the email exhange between Kyle, Armando and Uri to see there is any compromise/resolution | 17:54 |
| doonhammer | Perhaps framing it as what use cases we can support with each driver - and then ask the driver team for support in solving the other issues? | 17:54 |
| doonhammer | helps to make it more specific | 17:55 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: i think the ref implementation should support most if not all use cases | 17:55 |
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| doonhammer | LouisF: Agree but we are between a rock and a driver place :-) | 17:56 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: lets see what is decided | 17:57 |
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| LouisF | ok i don't want to start a new topic | 17:57 |
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| igordcard | I can't resolve the question about nsh in the API vs. ref arch, but I don't mind doing a PoC of NSH via networking-sfc (with the latest yi yang's patch) demonstrating how SFC Encapsulation can be achieved (which requires changes to the API) | 17:58 |
| s3wong | doonhammer: yeah... as cores. TBH, we are willing to entertain adding this if the community feels very strongly about it --- I mean, ODL and ONOS are both OSS projects anyway; but we are Neutron stadium, and we are subjected to be governed by Neutron driver team also | 17:58 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: nsh can be supported by simply adding 'correlation-nsh' in the chain-parameters | 17:59 |
| igordcard | LouisF: please see my use case at the wiki | 17:59 |
| LouisF | igordcard: ok | 17:59 |
| LouisF | ok thats it folks | 18:00 |
| LouisF | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | thanks, guys! | 18:00 |
| mohankumar | bye | 18:00 |
| igordcard | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:00 |
| pcarver | bye | 18:00 |
| LouisF | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| doonhammer | bye | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 18:00:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-05-26-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-05-26-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-05-26-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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