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| gsagie | oanson? | 09:02 |
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| gsagie | anyone here for Dragonflow IRC meeting? | 09:02 |
| nick-ma | I'm here | 09:03 |
| DuanKebo | I'm here | 09:03 |
| oanson | Hi | 09:03 |
| oanson | Sorry I'm late | 09:03 |
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| oanson | #startmeeting Dragonflow | 09:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 09:03:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:03 |
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| oanson | #info gsagie, nick-ma, DuanKebo is in the meeting. | 09:04 |
| oanson | Is anyone else here for the Dragonflow meeting? | 09:04 |
| oanson | All right, then let's get started | 09:05 |
| oanson | #topic Roadmap | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:05 | |
| oanson | Reminder, the Newton roadmap link is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dragonflow-newton | 09:05 |
| oanson | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dragonflow-newton | 09:05 |
| oanson | I'll start with my update about packaging and distribution: Sadly I wasn't able to make much progress. | 09:06 |
| oanson | I am in China this week for openstack days china and collaborating with DuanKebo and team, so I probably won't have it ready for next week either. | 09:06 |
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| oanson | I'm waiting a second for the others to join. Then we can talk about DB synchronisation, ML2, and VLAN. | 09:08 |
| oanson | If anyone wants to take the floor, it's available | 09:08 |
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| oanson | hujie, wangyongben, liuhaixia, are you here? | 09:09 |
| oanson | hujie says he commited a patch. The link is: https://review.openstack.org/336377 | 09:11 |
| oanson | He'd be happy for reviews. | 09:12 |
| oanson | liuhaxia also made the ML2 patch smaller. It contains only L2 for ML2. It is available here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334798/ | 09:12 |
| oanson | Patches for vxlan, vlan, and flat networks will come later. vlan and flat will depend on vxlan, so they may come after it is merged (or at least passes a few review cycles) | 09:13 |
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| oanson | wangyongben uploaded the L3 plugin to here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316785/ . It also needs reviews. | 09:14 |
| hshan | hshan is online, there are not only omer himself having meeting :) | 09:14 |
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| oanson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316785/ | 09:15 |
| oanson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334798/ | 09:15 |
| oanson | #link https://review.openstack.org/336377 | 09:15 |
| oanson | Any other updates someone wants to share? | 09:15 |
| gsagie | not here | 09:16 |
| oanson | All right. | 09:16 |
| oanson | #topic Barcelona Summit | 09:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona Summit (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:16 | |
| oanson | The call for presentations end this week | 09:17 |
| oanson | If you want to submit a talk, you need to prepare your title and abstract as soon as possible | 09:17 |
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| oanson | It is highly recommended to go if possible. We can meet and attract new people to work on dragonflow. | 09:17 |
| oanson | I guess the talks might be interesting as well :) | 09:18 |
| oanson | Anyone has anything to add on this topic? | 09:18 |
| nick-ma | I was thinking of the talks, not sure about which topics can cover the whole 40 minutes. | 09:19 |
| nick-ma | in the last summit, we did one for general introduction. | 09:19 |
| oanson | nick-ma: Each of the talks I'm submitting is comprised from 3 smaller titles that I tied together. | 09:20 |
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| oanson | nick-ma: I think oshidoshi may have a few ideas that are still missing submitters. | 09:22 |
| gsagie | i think we can take this offline | 09:22 |
| nick-ma | yes. | 09:22 |
| oanson | agreed. | 09:22 |
| oanson | Anything else here? | 09:23 |
| oanson | #topic Performance Testing | 09:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Performance Testing (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:23 | |
| oanson | yuli_s: I understand you have done some work here? | 09:23 |
| gsagie | not sure he is here | 09:24 |
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| gsagie | ahh yes | 09:24 |
| gsagie | he is | 09:24 |
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| oanson | His user is here | 09:24 |
| gsagie | yuli_s is working on implementing end-to-end enviorments | 09:24 |
| gsagie | to test both control and data plane performance | 09:25 |
| gsagie | so instead of only testing the DB backends we can tests it all | 09:25 |
| oanson | How is he setting up the environments? | 09:25 |
| gsagie | he is checking ansible/vagrant now to do the env installation | 09:25 |
| gsagie | with your project | 09:25 |
| gsagie | or with openstack-ansible | 09:26 |
| oanson | That's great. I'll sit with him and collaborate when I get back. | 09:26 |
| oanson | The best solution would be to use both - my project to set up VMs using vagrant, and openstack-ansible for installation. | 09:27 |
| oanson | This will push the deployment project forwards as well. | 09:27 |
| DuanKebo | If we want to do the large scale test, we need lots of servers | 09:27 |
| oanson | DuanKebo: openstack-ansible should be usable on both virtual and physical servers | 09:28 |
| nick-ma | can be simulated? | 09:28 |
| oanson | However, we need these physical servers somewhere. | 09:28 |
| hujie | In the discussion last time, we said we will have 20 servers for redis db cluster, not for the local controller server, it that enough?? | 09:28 |
| hujie | for simulation | 09:29 |
| oanson | hujie: I think it's enough for a start. Enough to test the deployment and get initial results. | 09:29 |
| hujie | good :) | 09:29 |
| oanson | But the best thing would be as many servers as possible to run a real test, and be able to prove we scale to as many nodes we say we scale. | 09:29 |
| DuanKebo | I'm not sure, but i think simulated ways may be more viable for large scale test. | 09:30 |
| DuanKebo | thinking about how to test DC with 10,000 servers. | 09:31 |
| nick-ma | :-) | 09:31 |
| oanson | DuanKebo: That's where ansible comes in - it should allow us to provision the servers from a single location. | 09:31 |
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| hujie | the deployment is not bottleneck for DC with 10,000 servers. | 09:32 |
| oanson | hujie: So wher's the bottleneck? | 09:32 |
| DuanKebo | problem is we can deploy so many servers. | 09:33 |
| nick-ma | so you have 10,000 real servers in single location for testbed? | 09:33 |
| DuanKebo | * can not | 09:33 |
| oanson | DuanKebo, hujie, the deployment is or is not the bottleneck? | 09:33 |
| DuanKebo | isn't | 09:34 |
| oanson | If we have a deployment solution, is there anything else that's blocking us (provided we have the servers) | 09:34 |
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| gsagie | oanson: i think what hujie and DuanKebo are saying the deployment tool is not a problem | 09:34 |
| gsagie | its only physical resources | 09:34 |
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| hujie | the test method and the control and data plane performance is more important I think :) | 09:34 |
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| oanson | This is something yuli_s and Shlomo_N are working on. | 09:35 |
| hujie | yes, the deployment tool is good itself and for dragonflow :) | 09:35 |
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| gsagie | hujie: for data plane performance we dont need many servers | 09:35 |
| oanson | Shlomo_N has a patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304470/ | 09:35 |
| gsagie | for control plane testing we will do a simulated tests | 09:35 |
| gsagie | we will of course try to squeeze as much "local controllers" as possible in one server | 09:35 |
| oanson | yuli_s has a control plane test here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309948/ | 09:35 |
| DuanKebo | we haven't so many servers. So we have calculate the control plane and data plane traffic, and simulate it. | 09:35 |
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| gsagie | usually its best to run them 1 per core so we wont get into scheduling problems | 09:35 |
| DuanKebo | Yes, Gal | 09:36 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: lets start with what we have | 09:36 |
| gsagie | we dont need to start with 10,000 | 09:36 |
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| gsagie | how many do we have? | 09:36 |
| hujie | I think for DC with 10,000 servers, deployment is necessary and good thing, but it's not what we truely worried :) | 09:37 |
| gsagie | including your servers | 09:37 |
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| oanson | obviously. As I said, the 20 servers is definitely enough for a start | 09:37 |
| yuanwei | DuanKebo: If we have 20 servers? | 09:37 |
| DuanKebo | Yes, we have | 09:37 |
| gsagie | around how many cores each? | 09:37 |
| gsagie | 12, 14? | 09:37 |
| DuanKebo | 16 maybe | 09:37 |
| gsagie | ok so thats 320 local controllers | 09:38 |
| gsagie | that we can run on them | 09:38 |
| oanson | gsagie: Some of them should be compute nodes | 09:38 |
| gsagie | lets say less | 09:38 |
| oanson | If we want to test end-to-end and not just controll plane | 09:38 |
| gsagie | so we have around 200 | 09:38 |
| oanson | Some should also be database. | 09:38 |
| oanson | I think perhaps we should construct a testing plan, and then decide how many nodes of each we need. | 09:39 |
| DuanKebo | Yes, I worry about db and pub/sub performance | 09:39 |
| oanson | We can say that we have 320 simulated servers for now, but I don't think it's that important. | 09:39 |
| oanson | Let's get the testing framework and deployment finished first. | 09:39 |
| nick-ma | if the computing resource is containers we can save much resource. | 09:40 |
| DuanKebo | Omer, we are working on the test plan | 09:40 |
| hujie | OK, we can move on to do the deployment work and design the test plan :) | 09:40 |
| oanson | I'll step on deployment it next week. I'll also help yuli_s to get the testing framework finished as soon as possible. | 09:40 |
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| oanson | nick-ma: I think that's the direction yuli_s is taking. | 09:40 |
| gsagie | the problem with containers is OVS | 09:40 |
| oanson | DuanKebo: Great. I'd be happy to see it after the meeting. | 09:41 |
| gsagie | we will need to do work to "simulate" the kernel module | 09:41 |
| gsagie | since it will be shared | 09:41 |
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| oanson | gsagie: Can be worked around, maybe with a OVS bridge per container. | 09:41 |
| DuanKebo | It's not ready yes.^o^ | 09:41 |
| DuanKebo | not ready yet | 09:41 |
| oanson | DuanKebo: Sorry. I'm enthusiastic :) | 09:42 |
| oanson | gsagie: Can the OVS+container be worked around with an OVS bridge per container? | 09:42 |
| nick-ma | ok, get it. | 09:42 |
| gsagie | oanson: we need to think about it, because we will need something that creates the ports and connect them to each container | 09:42 |
| gsagie | and simulate the OVSDB events | 09:43 |
| gsagie | so it can work but it need some work | 09:43 |
| oanson | gsagie: So we'll do the work :) | 09:43 |
| DuanKebo | maybe we need kuryr to do this ? | 09:43 |
| gsagie | it might be faster to just use user space OVS part and not use the kernel module as we only checking the control plane | 09:43 |
| gsagie | yuli_s is suppose to check it | 09:44 |
| gsagie | soon | 09:44 |
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| gsagie | DuanKebo: we will need kuryr | 09:44 |
| gsagie | for this | 09:44 |
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| gsagie | if we use Docker | 09:44 |
| oanson | gsagie: I thought we're checking end to end. | 09:44 |
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| gsagie | oanson: "end-to-end" as in using Dragonflow controller full code, but we can still ignore the part that install flows to OVS given that can help | 09:45 |
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| gsagie | but again yuli_s will check it | 09:45 |
| gsagie | and hopefully provide some insights next week | 09:45 |
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| oanson | All right, let's wait till next week. We'll also figure out what end-to-end means once the test plan is ready :) | 09:46 |
| oanson | Anything else in this topic? | 09:46 |
| oanson | #topic Bugsw | 09:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugsw (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:46 | |
| oanson | #topic Bugs | 09:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:46 | |
| gsagie | the meaning is not end-to-end as in test the entire system but test the controller instead of just the DB | 09:46 |
| gsagie | which is what was done till now | 09:47 |
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| oanson | All right. | 09:47 |
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| nick-ma | the fullstack is.failed due to arpresponder.test.simple.response. but it really works in my local machine. | 09:48 |
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| oanson | nick-ma: Yes. It works locally for me as well. | 09:48 |
| nick-ma | also the ryu 4.4 | 09:48 |
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| nick-ma | ryu breaks secgroup. | 09:49 |
| oanson | About ryu | 09:49 |
| oanson | yamamoto and iwamoto say that the change should be reverted in ryu | 09:49 |
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| oanson | They brought this up in their mailing list, but I didn't see any progress yet. | 09:49 |
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| nick-ma | i suggest we first revert to 4.3 if.possible. and wait for the upstream change | 09:49 |
| oanson | We can't revert, because we are locked to the openstack requirements | 09:50 |
| nick-ma | got it. | 09:50 |
| oanson | I though of aligning ourselves, and reverting if the upstream changes. | 09:50 |
| oanson | It's more work for us, but at least our code will work. | 09:50 |
| oanson | and I don't know if and when the upstream will change. | 09:50 |
| nick-ma | that is the problem | 09:50 |
| oanson | I will try and catch Yamamoto offline and discuss it. See what he thinks, what our chances are, and what is the expected change in ryu. | 09:51 |
| oanson | because any change will either break ryu 4.4, or keep <=4.3 broken. | 09:51 |
| oanson | Due to the API changes they have made. | 09:52 |
| nick-ma | ok. | 09:53 |
| oanson | nick-ma: I see you opened a bug about the ARP responder test. | 09:53 |
| nick-ma | i am trying to figure out why. we didn't change any codes related | 09:53 |
| nick-ma | to it | 09:53 |
| oanson | I suspect the gate test will have to be debugged. | 09:54 |
| nick-ma | yes. | 09:54 |
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| oanson | Any other items here? | 09:55 |
| nick-ma | by the way, suggest we clean up the bug list of launchpad, lots of them are out of date. | 09:55 |
| oanson | Yes. Each bug should be verified, and marked invalid if appropriate. | 09:56 |
| DuanKebo | Yes, nick | 09:56 |
| nick-ma | i went through most of them, but lots of.them are assigned, so not sure the progress | 09:56 |
| oanson | I suggest that everyone go over the bugs they are assigned, and verify them. | 09:57 |
| oanson | Bugs that haven't been updated in a while, or owners that have been inactive for a while should be pinged. | 09:57 |
| nick-ma | afaik, lots of.them are invalid due to testing | 09:57 |
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| oanson | I see also that there are many undecided importance bugs. | 09:59 |
| oanson | yuli_s, as our bugmaster: Will you rate them? | 09:59 |
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| oanson | He might still not be here. | 09:59 |
| oanson | All right. That's our time. | 10:01 |
| oanson | Thanks everyone. | 10:01 |
| oanson | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 10:01:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-07-11-09.03.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-07-11-09.03.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-07-11-09.03.log.html | 10:01 |
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| DuanKebo | thanks, bye! | 10:01 |
| nick-ma | bye | 10:01 |
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| jimbaker | #startmeeting craton | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 14:59:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jimbaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'craton' | 14:59 |
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| jimbaker | today's agenda can be found here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/craton-meetings | 14:59 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, hi | 14:59 |
| jimbaker | sarob cannot make it | 15:00 |
| sulo | o/ | 15:00 |
| jimbaker | o/ | 15:00 |
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| sigmavirus | o/ | 15:00 |
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| jimbaker | #topic user stories | 15:01 |
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| jimbaker | we have been working against the user stories: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/proposed/fleet-management.html | 15:02 |
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| jimbaker | kencjohnston and KrishR have curated these stories, and we have agreed they are broadly applicable to fleet management and craton specifically | 15:03 |
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| jimbaker | because the stories are high level, to make them actionable i believe we need to focus on representative stories; define acceptance criteria; and build out accordingly | 15:04 |
| jimbaker | turvey, o/ | 15:04 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, o/ | 15:04 |
| cmspence | o/ | 15:04 |
| turvey | o/ | 15:05 |
| jimbaker | the specific story that seems to be most straightforward for us to work on is FLT005 | 15:05 |
| jimbaker | FLT005 - As a cloud operator, I need to check my deployed physical resources against a set of policies and rules, so that I can meet security, availability and other requirements | 15:06 |
| jimbaker | i believe auditing with the OSA security role lets us go deep. also we can work with mhayden on it | 15:06 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, we are pretty close to having OSA container modeling working against craton inventory, right? | 15:07 |
| sulo | yeah | 15:07 |
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| sulo | so that .. and in general a model to allow network devices too | 15:08 |
| sulo | so we can do things that are raised here :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N3f_H3bjZ1a08wkxRLCMt5ANXRGmFAOEUZ_mtI3BYxw/edit | 15:08 |
| sulo | i.e being able to use switches / cabs | 15:09 |
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| sulo | that is useful for osa as well btw | 15:09 |
| jimbaker | sulo, so your PR re device hierarchies is essential for this to happen? | 15:09 |
| sulo | yes | 15:09 |
| jimbaker | with respect to OSA containers? | 15:09 |
| jimbaker | ack | 15:09 |
| sulo | jimbaker: so like i was discussing with you in #craton | 15:10 |
| sulo | the question is: do we want to model each of these as separate models vs doing how i did in that par .. with a column tracking host_type | 15:10 |
| jimbaker | sulo, my questions for you and the team, and not necessarily something we can decide on now | 15:10 |
| jimbaker | sulo, yeah, that's an additional question to mine then :) | 15:11 |
| sulo | jimbaker: yeah .. we can resume that discussion in craton | 15:11 |
| sulo | jimbaker: my point is as soon as we agree on a model . . i think we can solve for both those items | 15:11 |
| jimbaker | no worries, we just want to publicly capture these questions | 15:11 |
| jimbaker | i would add: 1) do we fully capture as a DAG? | 15:11 |
| jimbaker | 2) do variables inherit in this hierarchy? | 15:12 |
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| jimbaker | (if we model as a DAG, we get much closer to oneops core modeling, which will help convergence there) | 15:12 |
| jimbaker | anyway, i think we should resolve these questions this week | 15:13 |
| jimbaker | so that seems like an action item to me | 15:13 |
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| sulo | so DAG model is close to what we are trying to do through devices like the pr right now ? | 15:14 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, yes | 15:14 |
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| sulo | jimbaker: so what does fully capturing DAG involve ? | 15:15 |
| sulo | just trying to understand really | 15:15 |
| sulo | are we missing something on that .. ? | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | sulo, sure - you just need a src, dest associative table | 15:16 |
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| jimbaker | and outside of the db you need to support computing things like transitive closure | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | and ensuring it's actually acyclic | 15:16 |
| sulo | ok | 15:17 |
| sulo | jimbaker: but we also need variable hierarchy right ? so i guess we do both ? | 15:17 |
| jimbaker | it seems more complicated if we want to have variable overrides participate in the DAG, so my question of whether we need that modeling power | 15:17 |
| jimbaker | sulo, right, we are obviously thinking of similar things :) | 15:18 |
| jimbaker | so i don't know the answers. just want to ask the questions to we can model the things we care about | 15:18 |
| jimbaker | anyway, two action items here | 15:19 |
| jimbaker | #action define acceptance criteria for FLT005 | 15:19 |
| jimbaker | #action jimbaker define acceptance criteria for FLT005 | 15:19 |
| jimbaker | #action jimbaker sulo finalize modeling of device hierarchy, considering DAG, variables | 15:20 |
| jimbaker | look good? | 15:20 |
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| sulo | yes | 15:20 |
| jimbaker | #topic inventory fabric | 15:21 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, this is a term i started using to explain to stakeholders what craton is trying to do in terms of managing sources of truth for inventory | 15:22 |
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| sulo | jimbaker: heh, cool | 15:22 |
| jimbaker | it's not trying to do everything... but perhaps it can integrate with arbitrary other systems, via plugins | 15:23 |
| sulo | jimbaker: so i've had a few meetings with osa folks last week on how we can achieve this | 15:23 |
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| sulo | there is a good discussion going on here also :https://github.com/rackerlabs/craton/issues/12 | 15:24 |
| jimbaker | so if we have a network inventory system like arista; or nova is managing the scheduling of VMs to hosts... that's the role of the fabric | 15:24 |
| jimbaker | and presumably virtualized variables | 15:24 |
| jimbaker | https://github.com/rackerlabs/craton/issues/109 | 15:24 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, so any updates from OSA on this from that email thread? | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | (it | 15:25 |
| sulo | well lots of feedback during my meeting .. and on that issue i posted above | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | sure, just wanted a summary here | 15:26 |
| sulo | but the main point to start with is : being able to support config data such that we can generate a ansible inventory to run a playbook | 15:26 |
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| sulo | and to do that we need to address quite a few issues | 15:26 |
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| sulo | like 1. this should be templated enough that inital variable generation | 15:27 |
| sulo | and host and group generation is super easy | 15:27 |
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| sulo | 2. we support variable override in the way you have captured in various issues already | 15:27 |
| sulo | 3. we support containers and deives as in my pr | 15:28 |
| sulo | so we are moving towards it | 15:28 |
| sulo | but there is some more work to be done .. mostly on config/variables side | 15:28 |
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| sulo | so the plan is for us to get the base set working | 15:28 |
| sulo | then demo to them and go from there | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | sulo, yeah. it seems to me this will start impacting OSA, with respect to templating | 15:29 |
| sulo | oh yeah .. and 4. support handling secrets ;) | 15:29 |
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| jimbaker | seems reasonable. i think handling secrets should not be so bad, we can adopt a vault-style model | 15:30 |
| jimbaker | (ansible vault) | 15:31 |
| jimbaker | but definitely details there to get right | 15:31 |
| sulo | yeah | 15:31 |
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| jimbaker | on my side, i spent some time on the variable refactoring. it should work, and it almost does, but i'm missing something on the sqlalchemy side in terms of how relationships get converted to the appropriate collection type | 15:32 |
| jimbaker | anyway, i'm sure it will be easy enough to fix | 15:33 |
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| sulo | jimbaker: does that include variables blame support ? | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | sulo, yeah, that would just work once i have it refactored | 15:33 |
| sulo | cool | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | i'm just trying to preserve k,v access through a dict mapping, as opposed to seeing a list of variables | 15:34 |
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| jimbaker | anyway, i know much more about sqlalchemy at this point :) | 15:34 |
| jimbaker | let's move on | 15:35 |
| jimbaker | #topic audit workflows | 15:36 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, so the OSA work is a good complement here, since it enables the actual FLT005 stuff with OSA security role | 15:37 |
| sulo | jimbaker: yeah, so i did test this a little bit | 15:37 |
| jimbaker | at this point, we need to take gus' work on taskflow integration | 15:37 |
| jimbaker | and really start building it out | 15:37 |
| sulo | we need to discuss the architecture a bit more detail in one of the dev meeting | 15:37 |
| jimbaker | sulo, sounds good to me | 15:38 |
| jimbaker | i know gus looked into TF's jobboard, and that seems the right approach for scale; but i'm more concerned about task generation/scheduling | 15:39 |
| jimbaker | since we only have this as TODOs so far | 15:39 |
| jimbaker | should we just have that as the focus of this thurs dev meeting, with research this week? | 15:40 |
| sulo | +1 | 15:40 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, sigmavirus, turvey - any thoughts? | 15:41 |
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| jimbaker | #topic integrations | 15:41 |
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| cmspence | jimbaker: +1 | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | i talked with mike tamayo from OSIC/intel | 15:42 |
| turvey | Works for me | 15:42 |
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| jimbaker | (sounds good!) | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | and he will be committing resources to help on horizon integration, which will be optional for operators | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | but certainly useful for all sorts of use cases, even if many operators will often want to use the CLI or python client | 15:43 |
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| sigmavirus | sorry jimbaker, got stuck in another meeting | 15:43 |
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| jimbaker | sigmavirus, no worries | 15:43 |
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| jimbaker | so we are looking at wireframes by july 23 | 15:43 |
| sulo | jimbaker: details on this integration work ? is this going upstream etc ? | 15:44 |
| jimbaker | re oneops integration, after a good meeting with walmart labs on june 28, we are waiting to follow up. sarob will help organize | 15:45 |
| sulo | what are we expecting on horizon end? | 15:45 |
| jimbaker | sulo, it should be a horizon plugin that can consume craton's REST APIs | 15:45 |
| sulo | ok | 15:46 |
| sigmavirus | I really think that should be put off until we have a stable API | 15:46 |
| sulo | yeah agree | 15:46 |
| jimbaker | sigmavirus, i understand your concern, however we are getting stakeholder feedback to do this earlier than later | 15:46 |
| turvey | We'll make sure that those implementing understand the API is still in flux | 15:47 |
| jimbaker | turvey, +1 | 15:47 |
| sulo | jimbaker: so even if we use the current api what is horizon going to show ? basically a UI for inventory to start with ? | 15:47 |
| jimbaker | sulo, yes, and then augment with say being able to use the workflow APIs, as we develop those | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | so being able to inspect the environment, config vars, etc; then as we add workflows, kick those off | 15:48 |
| sulo | right, yeah in general sound good, given it takes UI work away from this team ;) | 15:49 |
| jimbaker | interesting points here is that we will need to consider how to show say audit results - what convention/config makes it possible to flag things | 15:49 |
| jimbaker | sulo, correct, we want this work done | 15:49 |
| jimbaker | and it is a separate team of resources :) | 15:49 |
| jimbaker | having good APIs is our responsibility regardless | 15:50 |
| turvey | It also gives is an early consumer of the API, which could be useful. | 15:50 |
| jimbaker | going back to FLT005 - this will help in completeness on that story. also on demoable things for barcelona :) | 15:50 |
| jimbaker | turvey, +1 | 15:51 |
| jimbaker | time to move on! | 15:51 |
| jimbaker | #topic admin | 15:51 |
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| jimbaker | we need to reschedule the dev meeting on thurs | 15:51 |
| jimbaker | sulo cannot make it at all, and i believe it would be best to accommodate gus by my doing a 1:1 with him | 15:52 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, sigmavirus, sulo, turvey - i'm proposing something around 1600 UTC, no earlier than 1530 UTC on thursdays | 15:53 |
| sulo | sounds good to me | 15:53 |
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| jimbaker | i will send out a doodle poll on the list to get specific times. but would this basically work for all of you? | 15:53 |
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| turvey | Sure | 15:54 |
| cmspence | ya, that should be fine | 15:54 |
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| jimbaker | sigmavirus, ? | 15:54 |
| jimbaker | the other item here is that sarob has basically completed the project patch | 15:55 |
| jimbaker | we need to do a final review | 15:55 |
| sulo | oh its not complete .. i just https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332470/4 | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus | jimbaker: I have a weekly meeting Thursday mornings, I probably won't make that either | 15:55 |
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| sulo | i was going to ping him on that | 15:55 |
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| jimbaker | sigmavirus, then we need to figure a time to make it work for you | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus | jimbaker: meh | 15:55 |
| sulo | jimbaker: sigmavirus: different day ? | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus | I'm not on the project full time for more months | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus | we can shift if necessary then | 15:56 |
| jimbaker | sigmavirus, yeah, i just want to make sure that you, sulo, cmspence, turvey and me can make it | 15:56 |
| sulo | jimbaker: sigmavirus: as long as its not very late UTC time i am fine with any date btw. | 15:56 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, thanks for being flexible! | 15:57 |
| jimbaker | we just didn't want to push it too much | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus | Let's go with thursday for now. I'm doing mental utc math | 15:57 |
| sulo | heh | 15:57 |
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| jimbaker | sigmavirus, so i am making it work with jason c's meeting | 15:57 |
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| jimbaker | we should be in our staff meeting :) | 15:58 |
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| sigmavirus | jimbaker: I'm not in your staff meeting though =P | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | ok, then it's just sulo and i have to be there | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | but regardless, let's find a time over on #craton, then put it out there on the mailing list to finalize | 15:58 |
| sulo | we are running out of time here .. move this to #craton ? | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | yes, time to end meeting | 15:59 |
| jimbaker | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 15:59:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-07-11-14.59.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-07-11-14.59.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-07-11-14.59.log.html | 15:59 |
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| Sukhdev_ | Folks, time for Ironic-neutron meeting | 16:00 |
| mjturek1 | hey o/ | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev_ | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 16:01:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:01 |
| hshiina | o/ | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev_ | We'll for a minute to give others time to join in | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev_ | jroll sambetts devananda: are you here? | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev_ | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev_ | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_July_11.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev_ | I kept the previous agenda - as we did not have a meeting last week | 16:03 |
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| sambetts | o/ | 16:04 |
| TheJulia | jroll is not available today | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev_ | If anybody wants to add to the agenda, feel free to add | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev_ | TheJulia : thanks for update | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev_ | lets keep going in that case | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev_ | #topic: Announcements | 16:05 |
| devananda | o/ | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev_ | We skipped last week's meeting and I missed the previous week's | 16:05 |
| sambetts | I think the biggest Annoucement of all is we missed the nova FF with a major patch to get the networking stuff done | 16:06 |
| TheJulia | 297895? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev_ | sambetts : I noticed that | 16:06 |
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| sambetts | TheJulia: yup | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev_ | sambetts : what happened? I thought it was going to go in - | 16:06 |
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| TheJulia | It seems like ironic can navigate around the issue though, since essentially there is already a bug in the behavior that wouldn't change nova setup/configuration in a production deployment. I think ironic just needs to see if the port already exists, delete it in neutron, and then re-create it as part of the deployment process. | 16:07 |
| mjturek1 | I thought it was said during mid-cycle that we weren't aiming for nova feature freeze anymore? sorry if I misunderstood | 16:08 |
| sambetts | mjturek1: we thought we didn't have any patches that would affect the current work, but it seems like we missed one :( | 16:08 |
| mjturek1 | dang :( | 16:09 |
| TheJulia | visibility was not raised until last week :( | 16:09 |
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| sambetts | My concern is that I'm not sure if the code already merged in nova might cause us problems too, because the code already merged is actually incorrect now too | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev_ | and, I take it nova does not allow exceptions | 16:10 |
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| sambetts | Sukhdev_: they wouldn't give us one because we didn't have the Ironic stuff merged | 16:10 |
| sambetts | as I understand it | 16:10 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: good point, but I thought it was minimal, I'm likely wrong though | 16:11 |
| devananda | sambetts: can you elaborate on "the code already merged is actually incorrect" ? | 16:11 |
| sambetts | devananda: we already have code in Nova that expects the network_provider field, and none instead of network_interface and flat | 16:12 |
| sambetts | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297895/3/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py | 16:12 |
| sambetts | its a update patch | 16:12 |
| sambetts | :/ | 16:12 |
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| TheJulia | is it just network_binding_host_id ? | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev_ | sambetts: I do not believe that is incorrect code, is it? | 16:13 |
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| sambetts | it might be safe, because of the getattr, but its looking for a field name that doesn't exist anymore | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev_ | I do not see that patch merged though - did it merge as a part of different patch? | 16:15 |
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| TheJulia | https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/0e6e28aed74e8029e394bb16298436a239c7192e is where initial support went in to nova | 16:17 |
| TheJulia | Just that link to provide the diff view | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev_ | TheJulia : yes - that is the correct one - | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev_ | the one sambetts pointed out modifies this merged code - and, I have tested it - but, I do not believe it is merged | 16:21 |
| devananda | is the problem that, in ironic, it was decided to use a different field name inthe API, since that patch merged in Nova? (or have I misunderstood the issue?) | 16:21 |
| devananda | s/network_provider/network_interface/ ? | 16:21 |
| TheJulia | devananda: pretty much, plus ironic is coded to expect no network to possibly be attached, correct or not, upon the beginning of deployment | 16:22 |
| sambetts | devananda: right, a different field name in the API and a different stevedore name for the network interface that represents the existing network support | 16:22 |
| sambetts | s/none/flat | 16:22 |
| lazy_prince | o/ | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev_ | sambetts : so, I tested everything with this patch - did not test without patch - so, perhaps, it may be problematic | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev_ | so, I wonder if we merge ironic patches and go back to nova folks for exception on the basis that the merged code may be broken, we may be able to get one - | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev_ | jroll is guy I rely on for nova communications - wish he was here to answer | 16:24 |
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| sambetts | TBH as the orignal patch is merged, and its all our code is designed to be backwards compatible (as far as I can see) with the getattr etc I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to merge it with the Ironic side changes, (although that puts us in the same situation as before in regards to thinks might change) | 16:25 |
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| lazy_prince | sambetts: which patch has merged..? | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev_ | lazy_prince: the link posted by TheJulia | 16:26 |
| sambetts | lazy_prince: https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/0e6e28aed74e8029e394bb16298436a239c7192e | 16:27 |
| lazy_prince | aha.. | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev_ | sambetts : so, I think we may have a shot, if we can get ironic stuff merged - | 16:27 |
| sambetts | jroll is going the nova midcycle on the 19th of July, so I think we might need to work hard to get the ironic side merged to give him the best shot to convice them to give us a FFE | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev_ | that leads me to next point - how come we did not merge the ironic patches ? | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev_ | sambetts : right that gives us a week to get ironic stuff merged - | 16:29 |
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| lazy_prince | yeah.. i have the same question.. whats taking so long for the patches.. its almost three cycles.. | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev_ | what is barrier to get ironic patches merged - they have gone through so many revs | 16:29 |
| sambetts | So there was a couple of things that delays the patches again, the first was that we've changed the Ironic port model a little to support this logic better, Ironic ports now have an internal_info field to hold the data about ports created by Ironic, that merged pretty fast | 16:30 |
| lazy_prince | is there anything else..? | 16:31 |
| sambetts | there is currently some contention on the patch adding network_interfaces because of how it plays with the driver reform Ironic is currently working on | 16:31 |
| TheJulia | That is an agenda itemf or the next ironic meeting | 16:31 |
| sambetts | For reference: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/63/ironic/common/driver_factory.py | 16:31 |
| sambetts | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/63/ironic/common/driver_factory.py | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev_ | so, folks how do converge on these? - we have really gone through these so many times - we should not keep holding and keep making changes - | 16:33 |
| sambetts | other delays include the problems highlighted when trying to run this new code in Ironic standalone mode, which I hope are resolved now, and that Ironic wanted to have grenade upgrade testing before merging any of this code | 16:33 |
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| sambetts | which is done too | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev_ | TheJulia: are you planning on discussing the plan to merge these patches in ironic meeting? | 16:34 |
| TheJulia | AFAIK we are | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev_ | sambetts : as you had suggested once, perhaps we can set up a chat session for people to dial in and go over these to get merged? | 16:36 |
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| sambetts | Yeah I think it might be worth trying to organise a time and place to sync and push these in | 16:38 |
| sambetts | by place I mean the Jitsi audio call thing | 16:38 |
| TheJulia | agreed | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev_ | right - if that makes things move... | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev_ | we have to do it this week | 16:39 |
| TheJulia | It should, we just need to come to a consensus, and land what we have, and iterrate from there | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev_ | TheJulia : +1 | 16:40 |
| sambetts | +1 the only think out of all of it thats hard to interate on is the API | 16:40 |
| sambetts | thing* | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev_ | sambetts : what is the contention over api? | 16:41 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: Agreed, in the next meeting, lets discuss identifying a time to get on a call in the next day or two to work through the items | 16:41 |
| sambetts | right now there is contention over whether network_interfaces should be known as network_interfaces or not which affects how its represented in the API | 16:42 |
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| sambetts | because we have a new concept of *_interfaces coming, which is why we wanted to call them network_interfaces in the first place, but there are some new interactions between *_interfaces and the concept of a hardware_type we're adding which don't fit very well for the network_interfaces | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev_ | network will be always needed - so, the contention is to call it network_interface or something else? | 16:45 |
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| sambetts | the main one being that hardware_type have vendor specified defaults for each of the *_interfaces (power/managemnt) etc but network_interfaces are very environment specific and only in some cases (e.g. my out of tree driver) hardware specific | 16:45 |
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| devananda | sambetts: huh. also, network interface doesn't depend on the server's OOB management device in the same way that, say, power, RAID, etc do | 16:47 |
| sambetts | devananda: my out of tree one will but I'm special | 16:47 |
| devananda | network_interface could vary by server, but is logically decoupled from the physical server (expcet special cases where it isn't) | 16:47 |
| sambetts | exactly | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev_ | exceptions do not set the rules - I believe we will always need network | 16:48 |
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| sambetts | Sukhdev_: its not that we won't always need network, its that vendors can not set sane defaults on a hardware_type because its dependant on the environment its deployed in | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev_ | I see these two as orthogonal items - (perhaps I am missing something) | 16:49 |
| sambetts | and for all the other *_interfaces vendors set a sane/recomended default interfaces which is using unless overridden by the operator using Ironic | 16:49 |
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| sambetts | (sorry that was terrible english)... | 16:50 |
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| TheJulia | That won't be quite true with storage/boot from volume so there are some in which it makes sense, and some it does not, and it seems like we've already discussed that being the case | 16:50 |
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| TheJulia | (sorry for being slow responding, was on a call until a moment ago) | 16:50 |
| devananda | TheJulia: good point. this affects more than just network_interface | 16:51 |
| sambetts | :'( | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev_ | devananda : oppss...my fault - too late now :-) | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev_ | TheJulia : is the ironic meeting right after this meeting? | 16:55 |
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| sambetts | Yup, in openstack-meeting3 | 16:55 |
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| sambetts | Hopefully we can unsick this in the main Ironic meeting | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev_ | Yup I will stick around | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev_ | #topic Open Discussion | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev_ | devananda : ha ha I changed the topic :-) | 16:56 |
| sambetts | I believe this problem (no easy sane default) is the origial reason we it so network_interfaces had to be set on node create, and there was no default | 16:56 |
| sambetts | we made it so* | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev_ | didn't we used to have flat network as default? | 16:59 |
| lazy_prince | or the default from config file...? | 16:59 |
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| sambetts | I believe that we ended up with flat if you used an old client if I remember correctly | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev_ | time is up for this meeting - lets move over to other room | 17:00 |
| sambetts | ++ | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev_ | thanks for attending this meeting | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev_ | bye | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev_ | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 17:00:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-07-11-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-07-11-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-07-11-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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| gnuoy | #startmeeting charms | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 17:01:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gnuoy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'charms' | 17:01 |
| gnuoy | \o | 17:02 |
| beisner | o/ | 17:02 |
| thedac | o/ | 17:02 |
| tinwood | o/ | 17:02 |
| gnuoy | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review ACTION points from previous meeting (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:02 | |
| gnuoy | #subtopic gnuoy move meeting to openstack-meeting channel | 17:02 |
| beisner | Woot | 17:02 |
| gnuoy | Well, I did \o/ | 17:02 |
| tinwood | yay | 17:02 |
| thedac | \o/ | 17:02 |
| gnuoy | hurray for me. | 17:02 |
| beisner | yes :-) | 17:02 |
| gnuoy | #topic State of Development for next Charm Release | 17:02 |
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| gnuoy | So...*Thursday* | 17:03 |
| gnuoy | We need to be finishing features off or punting them for three weeks | 17:03 |
| gnuoy | Designate should be up for review tomorrow PM | 17:03 |
| gnuoy | I think Barbican should be done soonish too | 17:04 |
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| gnuoy | Anyone got any big changes up their sleeves that they want to come clean about? | 17:04 |
| tinwood | Barbican will hopefully be ready by Wednesday inc. some func tests. | 17:04 |
| gnuoy | kk | 17:04 |
| gnuoy | #topic High Priority Bugs | 17:04 |
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| gnuoy | Rabbit and Percona are the two big ones that have come up recently | 17:05 |
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| gnuoy | I believe thedac has crushed the percona one | 17:05 |
| gnuoy | I will grab that review | 17:05 |
| beisner | we do need to refactor the percona-cluster amulet tests to cover more than just trusty-icehouse | 17:05 |
| tinwood | nice thedac :) | 17:05 |
| gnuoy | and jamespage has fixed the rabbit one | 17:05 |
| thedac | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339823/ | 17:05 |
| beisner | yes big thx thedac | 17:06 |
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| gnuoy | beisner, shall we try and do that real-soon-now or in a few weeks? | 17:06 |
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| jamespage | o/ | 17:06 |
| coreycb | o/ | 17:06 |
| thedac | I verified jamespage's rabbit fix. It is good. | 17:06 |
| beisner | not sure if we can squeeze that in for 16.07 (pxc) ... i know i don't have bandwidth atm to take that on. but it does need to happen, sooner the better | 17:06 |
| gnuoy | beisner, ack, lets push it out then | 17:07 |
| jamespage | beisner, test for xenial? | 17:07 |
| beisner | jamespage, ack | 17:07 |
| jamespage | I might be able todo that - assign me the bug | 17:07 |
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| gnuoy | jamespage, general refactor | 17:07 |
| gnuoy | but xenial is defo needed | 17:07 |
| beisner | ref: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/percona-cluster/+bug/1546577 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546577 in percona-cluster (Juju Charms Collection) "pxc charm needs amulet test coverage refactor" [High,Confirmed] | 17:08 |
| gnuoy | #action jamespage add xenial tests to percona-cluster | 17:08 |
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| beisner | er um | 17:08 |
| beisner | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/percona-cluster/+bug/1546577 | 17:08 |
| jamespage | got it | 17:08 |
| gnuoy | ta | 17:08 |
| gnuoy | moving on ... | 17:08 |
| gnuoy | #topic Tox target for layers | 17:09 |
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| gnuoy | jamespage, beisner Ithink you said you were going to defer a discussion to here on that ? | 17:09 |
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| gnuoy | or am I imagining that? | 17:09 |
| jamespage | oh yes - that's right | 17:09 |
| jamespage | so this came up because the layer jobs are currently configured to run a build target as part of check/gate | 17:10 |
| beisner | ok, so do we want to require all layer repos to (a) have a build tox target; and (b) expect success in building ? | 17:10 |
| gnuoy | What does the build do ? | 17:10 |
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| jamespage | gnuoy, pulls the layer + its dependencies together | 17:10 |
| gnuoy | assemble the lower layers? | 17:10 |
| gnuoy | ack | 17:10 |
| tinwood | why would a layer have a build target? | 17:10 |
| jamespage | so if someone stuff in a bad interface or layer, this would gate that | 17:10 |
| jamespage | I think ideally we've have this are part of a layer lint tool | 17:11 |
| gnuoy | I feel a bit shruggy about it but I don't object | 17:11 |
| jamespage | layer proof or siuchlike | 17:11 |
| beisner | tinwood, that's the nature of the convo. i was also surprised by it. but jamespage pointed out that it is potentially a valuable test (to build it). | 17:11 |
| jamespage | but right now, the only way todo this is to 'build' the layer (and then throw it away) | 17:11 |
| beisner | aiui, the "src charm" is the only thing we'll ever build, deploy-test and publish, right? | 17:11 |
| jamespage | ack | 17:11 |
| gnuoy | yep, I think so | 17:12 |
| jamespage | so - build target in layers (to be superceeded by lint later) | 17:12 |
| gnuoy | ok, unless anyone objects lets go with a build target to check dependancies can be assembled | 17:12 |
| jamespage | is that agreed? | 17:12 |
| jamespage | +1 | 17:12 |
| gnuoy | +1 | 17:12 |
| thedac | +1 | 17:12 |
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| beisner | i'm good with that - please do document it somehow, perhaps a tox.ini #comment | 17:13 |
| gnuoy | kk. I'll take silence from others as 0 | 17:13 |
| beisner | my only holdback here is that a non-openstacker gets ahold of a layer repo, sees a build target, builds it, tries to deploy it, fails, etc. | 17:13 |
| gnuoy | beisner, agreed, lets spew out a comment/warning | 17:13 |
| jamespage | sure | 17:14 |
| beisner | or ... perhaps more confusingly ... an openstacker tries to create a layer which can be both a built charm AND a layer to consume. | 17:14 |
| beisner | i'm just looking for good ways to make it crystal clear. | 17:14 |
| jamespage | we're trying to avoid that situation :-) | 17:14 |
| beisner | i sniff the desire to do just that with the ceph-*s. | 17:15 |
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| jamespage | hmm | 17:15 |
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| tinwood | I thought that had been quashed and a thin src charm was the idea for the ceph-* | 17:15 |
| beisner | i think that is the right answer tinwood - while they layer "could" be a layer or a charm, it "shouldn't" | 17:16 |
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| tinwood | maybe 'quashed' isn't the right word for it. | 17:16 |
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| thedac | politely suggested? | 17:16 |
| tinwood | indeed. | 17:16 |
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| beisner | need to make sure everyone's in line with: for every layered charm we produce, there shall be a src charm. and, solved. :) | 17:16 |
| icey | my understanding is the same as tinwood, src charm that has a built layer on top of it | 17:16 |
| icey | the top layer for (for example) ceph-mon would be a layer that just includes the ceph-mon layer | 17:17 |
| gnuoy | kk | 17:17 |
| tinwood | can it be 'enforced' though? Only in the publish step, i would say? | 17:17 |
| beisner | where charm-ceph-mon is a src charm and charm-layer-ceph-mon is just a layer. beautiful. | 17:17 |
| thedac | We might want to disucss naming conventions. Ceph-mon layer vrs src charm should'b both be named ceph-mon | 17:18 |
| jamespage | tinwood, basically if you don't comply with the 'interface' which is to have src, your charm/layer won't work with the CI | 17:18 |
| icey | beisner: I think it'd just be charm-ceph-mon uses layer-ceph-mon | 17:18 |
| icey | ? | 17:18 |
| jamespage | we have to prefix due to a single openstack namespace | 17:18 |
| beisner | charm-layer-ceph-mon should be the namespace aiui | 17:18 |
| tinwood | jamespage, that is very sensible. | 17:18 |
| jamespage | ok - so build is OK | 17:19 |
| gnuoy | ok, I think we are in agreement | 17:19 |
| jamespage | this is not unchangeable btw | 17:19 |
| tinwood | yes, I've come around to the idea :) | 17:19 |
| gnuoy | ok, lets move on | 17:19 |
| jamespage | if we all hate it in two weeks time that ok | 17:19 |
| gnuoy | #topic 2 x +2 | 17:19 |
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| jamespage | yeah ok | 17:19 |
| gnuoy | another of jamespages | 17:19 |
| jamespage | so this came up in the governance review for project status | 17:19 |
| gnuoy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224797/ | 17:19 |
| jamespage | most openstack projects operate 2 x +2's prior to workflow +1 | 17:19 |
| jamespage | we're not operating that currently - just a single +2 is required for workflow +1 | 17:20 |
| jamespage | I *think* that we should do the 2x +2, but it will have a small overhead on throughput of changes | 17:20 |
| tinwood | Is it a blocker then? | 17:20 |
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| jamespage | no its not a blocker as far as we can tell | 17:21 |
| thedac | jamespage: Does +1 and then a +2 make more sense? Or does it have to be 2 x +2? | 17:21 |
| tinwood | ah, okay, so it's up to us. | 17:21 |
| beisner | i'm actually good with a single +2 given the size of our group | 17:21 |
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| beisner | additional +1s or +2s are always a good thing though | 17:22 |
| gnuoy | I'm leaning towards beisners view until the core reviewer base is bigger | 17:22 |
| jamespage | agreed - and maybe we do this on a per change basis - if its something contentious or a config flags or relation data change we do 2x | 17:22 |
| beisner | yah i think we've effectively done that, asking for cross-reviews for hairy changes. | 17:23 |
| gnuoy | kk, but its something we should keep an eye on | 17:23 |
| thedac | that makes sense and we have basically been doing that. Waiting for a second opinion on complex changes | 17:23 |
| beisner | indeed. we could sure do 2 x +2s if it's a thing or desired. | 17:23 |
| jamespage | I think that is fair as well - if/when we get a more diverse reviewer base, then this will be more powerful, ensuring that no single person could drive a change objective not aligned to the project | 17:23 |
| cholcombe | i agree, single +2 is enough for us. The reviewer base is too small | 17:23 |
| gnuoy | yep, that makes sense | 17:23 |
| jamespage | ok | 17:23 |
| gnuoy | ok, onwards and upwards | 17:23 |
| gnuoy | #topic Openstack talk submissions for ODS | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack talk submissions for ODS (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:23 | |
| gnuoy | When was that deadline again? | 17:24 |
| jamespage | this week | 17:24 |
| jamespage | thursday I think | 17:24 |
| gnuoy | ack, ta | 17:24 |
| beisner | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/call-for-presentations/ | 17:24 |
| * beisner quotes: JULY 13, 2016 AT 11:59PM PDT (JULY 14 6:59 UTC) IS THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT A TALK. | 17:24 | |
| gnuoy | Thanks beisner | 17:25 |
| jamespage | that's wednesday to be clear | 17:25 |
| gnuoy | yep | 17:25 |
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| gnuoy | Get your thinking caps on | 17:26 |
| gnuoy | #topic Open Events | 17:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Events (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:26 | |
| gnuoy | Any other Openstack and/or charm events coming up? | 17:26 |
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| gnuoy | Ok, moving on | 17:27 |
| gnuoy | #topic Open Discussion | 17:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:27 | |
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| gnuoy | Going Once | 17:28 |
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| gnuoy | Going Twice | 17:28 |
| beisner | Sold! thanks, gnuoy | 17:29 |
| gnuoy | #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announce next meeting date, time and chair (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:29 | |
| gnuoy | Two weeks time, on Monday at 17:00 UTC | 17:29 |
| gnuoy | Same place | 17:29 |
| gnuoy | chair thedac I believe | 17:29 |
| thedac | I am up | 17:29 |
| gnuoy | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 17:29:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2016/charms.2016-07-11-17.01.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2016/charms.2016-07-11-17.01.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2016/charms.2016-07-11-17.01.log.html | 17:29 |
| tinwood | thanks gnuoy | 17:29 |
| thedac | thanks gnuoy | 17:29 |
| jamespage | thanks gnuoy | 17:29 |
| gnuoy | yw | 17:29 |
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