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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
ifat_afekHi :-)08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 28 08:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vitrage'08:00
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annarezHi :)08:00
eyalb\o/08:00
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yujunzHi all08:00
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ifat_afek#topic Status and Updates08:03
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alexey_weylHello :)08:03
AlonHi :)08:03
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ifat_afekFirst update: yujunz was promoted to the vitrage-core team. Welcome Yujun!08:03
alexey_weylWhoooooo08:04
annarezcongrats!!!!08:04
idan_hefetzCongrats!08:04
eyalb@yujunz congrats08:04
alexey_weylCongrats!!!08:04
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alexey_weylMazal Tov :)08:04
danoffekYou quit ? He just got in !08:04
ifat_afekA reminder regarding Sydney CFP:08:04
ifat_afek#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/call-for-presentations/08:05
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ifat_afekPersonally I didn’t progress with the proposals… feel free to add your ideas to the etherpad below. The CFP deadline is July 14th.08:05
danoffekI vote not to continue till all contributors rejoin08:05
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ifat_afek#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-sydney-cpf08:05
yujunzThank you all08:05
danoffekCongrats !!! And thanks for your latest review.08:05
ifat_afekAnother update: Weekly IRC meetings are no longer required by the TC.08:06
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462077/08:06
ifat_afekIt’s up to us now whether we want to continue meeting once a week. The only issue is that if we meet, no matter when, we must make it public and logged.08:06
ifat_afekYour thoughts?08:06
danoffekWe can start with bi-weekly, and see from there08:07
ifat_afekMaybe I’ll send an email about it, so we can all give it some thought08:07
danoffekSo I just wrote the last line for nothing ?08:07
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ifat_afek:-)08:07
ifat_afekMy update: I’m implementing the external actions spec, as a first step to support the integration with Mistral08:08
ifat_afek#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/+spec/support-external-actions08:08
ifat_afekWho’s next?08:08
yujunzMy brief update08:09
yujunzProposed a blueprint about osprofiler support08:09
yujunz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476462/08:09
ifat_afekI approved, we need someone else to review it08:10
yujunzAnd start reviewing code from other member08:10
ifat_afekThanks!08:11
yujunzIs there any mandatory rules for review and merge?08:11
ifat_afekWhat do you mean?08:11
yujunzSomething like two +2 from different committers or don't merge too fast so other's will have chance to have a look08:11
ifat_afekThere should be two +2 from two core reviewers before merging08:11
ifat_afekWe usually don’t wait, if two reviewers approve then we merge08:12
yujunzOK, I'll observe for a while to get sync with the team conventions :-)08:12
ifat_afekSometimes we try to get review from someone specific, who knows this code best. In other cases, we just ask whoever is available08:12
ifat_afek:-)08:13
yujunzThat's all08:13
ifat_afekThakns08:13
ifat_afekThanks08:13
alexey_weylI will update08:13
alexey_weylWe had some problems in the gate for a couple of days08:13
alexey_weylafter checking the problem, I have talked with the Nova people08:14
alexey_weyland they have found that one of their latest commits has caused the problem because they have splitted the notification to different cells and to different queues etc..08:15
ifat_afekWas it a problem in other projects tempests as well?08:15
alexey_weylthey have reversed the commit and it is working now. They are thinking how to make it work with backward comitability08:16
alexey_weylAnother issue that I am continuing to work on is the DB Dao08:16
alexey_weylit will include basic data and API in the begining08:16
alexey_weylThats it for now08:17
alexey_weyl:)08:17
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alexey_weylI dont know.. Do other projects listen to Bova notifications in tempests?08:17
alexey_weyl*Bova=Nova08:18
ifat_afekI don’t know08:18
ifat_afekDoesn’t matter, I guess08:18
ifat_afekAnyone else likes to update?08:18
idan_hefetzSure08:18
idan_hefetzI posted a new blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477550/08:19
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idan_hefetzfor parallel evaluation of templates, to add worker processes where each runs a portion of the templates08:20
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idan_hefetzI hope this solution  will boost our run time significantly08:21
idan_hefetzBTW thanks yujun for the review!08:22
idan_hefetzThat's that08:22
ifat_afekSounds great, I hope it will really help08:22
yujunzYou are welcome idan_hefetz08:22
ifat_afekAnyone else has an update?08:23
ifat_afekLet’s close the meeting then08:25
ifat_afekBye :-)08:25
yujunzBye08:26
annarezbye bye08:26
eyalbbye08:26
ifat_afek#endmeeting08:26
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suzhengweihello, just for test09:27
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alex_xu#startmeeting nova api13:00
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alex_xuwho is here today?13:00
gmann_o/13:00
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alex_xugmann_: looks like just two of us13:01
gmann_yea.13:01
alex_xuand actually I don't have too much thing13:01
alex_xu#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking13:02
alex_xugmann_: ^ I listed all the API related patch in that etherpad13:02
alex_xuthere are few very close13:02
gmann_alex_xu: thanks, i will keep doing review on those13:02
gmann_alex_xu: i need to update mine for quota class13:02
alex_xugmann_: thanks13:02
alex_xugmann_: cool, let me when it's ready13:02
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gmann_alex_xu: currently m stuck with showing the 'networks' in quota class sample file13:03
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gmann_alex_xu: it is little bit tricky as Quota.resources are loaded at initi time13:03
gmann_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467999/6/nova/api/openstack/compute/quota_classes.py@4313:03
alex_xuah...I remember that one which controllered by conf13:03
gmann_alex_xu: yes13:03
gmann_alex_xu: i will give try tomorrow and ping you for your help if needed13:04
alex_xugmann_: free to ping me when you need help13:04
gmann_alex_xu: may be your idea of hard coded quota will help here but let's see13:05
gmann_hard coded quota resources13:05
alex_xuyea, worth a try13:05
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alex_xugmann_: we don't network quotas for quota-sets API also13:06
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alex_xulooks like it should be a change before quota-class13:06
gmann_alex_xu: in sample file?13:06
alex_xugmann_: yea13:07
gmann_alex_xu: yes and even not in tempest response schema also13:07
gmann_i will push all those fix tomorrow and we can see how they looks like13:07
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alex_xugmann_: the network qutoas should be removed in 2.3613:09
alex_xusince we deprecate all network proxy API13:09
gmann_alex_xu: ah i see. but we did not do that for quota class13:09
gmann_alex_xu: any specific reason you remember?13:10
alex_xuno, I'm afraid we forget that...13:10
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gmann_alex_xu: oh13:10
gmann_alex_xu: but now we cannot do for 2.36.13:11
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alex_xuyes13:11
gmann_alex_xu: how about fixing that in this microversion (quota class fix)?13:11
alex_xugmann_: yes, I'm thinking about samething13:11
alex_xugmann_: maybe we need an email13:12
alex_xuand update the spec13:12
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gmann_alex_xu: ok13:13
gmann_alex_xu: i can do that tomorrow and based on feedback we can proceed13:13
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alex_xugmann_: thanks13:14
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alex_xusigh, new mistake13:14
alex_xuanyway, that is all I have13:14
alex_xugmann_: anything more you have?13:15
gmann_alex_xu: quota class is too hidden API :)13:15
alex_xugmann_: yea :)13:15
gmann_alex_xu: that's all from my side.13:15
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alex_xugmann_: ok, let us close the meeting, thanks13:15
gmann_alex_xu: yea13:15
gmann_alex_xu: thanks.13:16
alex_xu#endmeeting13:16
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alexchadin#startmeeting watcher14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 28 14:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'watcher'14:00
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alexchadinhi!14:00
adisky__hi14:00
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hidekazuhello on tme14:00
hidekazutime14:00
Yumeng__Hi14:00
alexchadinhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#06.2F28.2F201714:00
alexchadinthis is agenda for today14:01
alexchadin#topic Announcements14:01
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alexchadinSydney Summit presentations call is open! Submit your presentation by 14 July. #link https://www.openstack.org/summit-login/login?BackURL=%2Fsummit%2Fsydney-2017%2Fcall-for-presentations%2F14:02
alexchadinbefore you submit it, please leave some info here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-Sydney-meetings14:03
alexchadinI will fill up https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-watcher-ptg and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-Sydney-meetings during the following weeks14:04
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alexchadinYumeng Bao is promoted as core developer, please vote +1/-1 on ML.14:05
hidekazu+1 i will send email tomorrow14:06
Yumeng__Thanks Alex! Thanks hidekazu !14:06
alexchadinI plan to end up voting by next Wednesday14:07
adisky__congrats Yumeng :)14:07
alexchadinso please give your vote :)14:07
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alexchadinBuild baremetal data model in watcher spec has been merged!14:07
Yumeng__adisky__: Thanks!14:07
alexchadinYumeng__: congratulations!14:08
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Yumeng__alexchadin: Thanks! I will submit codes after saving energy's code is completely submitted. :)14:09
suzhengweicongratulations to Yumeng Bao14:09
Yumeng__alexchadin: suzhengwei: Thanks! Oh Alex, we got new contributor suzhengwei14:09
Yumeng__Welcome suzhengwei!14:09
hidekazusuzhenwei: welcome!14:10
alexchadinsuzhengwei: nice to meet you!14:10
Yumeng__Would you like to introduce yourself?14:10
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alexchadinsuzhengwei: you are welcome14:10
hidekazusorry suzhengwei14:10
suzhengweiok.14:10
sballe_Hi sorry for being late14:10
Yumeng__sballe_: hi!14:11
alexchadinwell, let's move on then14:12
suzhengweiI am cloud engnieer, recently focus on drs(watcher). I am also interested nova/libvirt/ceilometer.14:12
sballe_hi14:12
alexchadinhi sballe_14:12
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alexchadinsuzhengwei: do you work with Yumeng__?14:12
suzhengweino.14:13
suzhengweibut we are in the same country.14:13
alexchadinsuzhengwei: thank you for your contributions :)14:14
alexchadinmove on14:14
alexchadinNoisy Neighbor Strategy has been merged!14:14
alexchadin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454359/14:14
suzhengweiWe has known each other.14:14
sballe_alexchadin: thx :-)14:15
alexchadinit's time to say BIG thanks to Susanne and Pru for their strategy :)14:15
Yumeng__Congrats! Lots of work for noisy neighbor!14:15
hidekazucongrats!14:15
alexchadinsballe_: BTW, there are still some things to do14:15
hidekazuended long road.14:15
sballe_thx everybody for your reviews14:15
alexchadinsballe_: gnocchi supports and Bin Zhou comments at least14:16
alexchadinThere are new changes in manuals #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html#proposed-change14:16
sballe_I understand the issue is that Pru has moved on to DBaaS. I will see what can be done to address the two comments.14:17
alexchadinif I understand these changes right, every project will keep its manual inside the repos14:18
adisky__alexchadin:  yes i have seen this, install guide gate jobs cannot be merged because of this.14:18
alexchadinadisky__: should we just wait for better times?14:19
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hidekazualexchadin: can we do after pike-3 about that?14:19
vincentfrancoiseo/14:19
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hidekazuvincentfrancoise: hi14:19
vincentfrancoisesorry for being late14:19
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alexchadinhidekazu: Foundation asked to do all the things before Pike release (before pike-3 if it's possible)14:20
alexchadinhi vincentfrancoise14:20
adisky__alexchadin: we need to restructure it in our own repo, and afterwards there will be single gate job for all docs14:20
adisky__alexchadin: I will try14:20
hidekazualexchadin: i see..14:20
Yumeng__vincentfrancoise: hi14:20
alexchadinYumeng__: have you already done something like adisky__ said in python-watcherclient repo?14:21
alexchadinYumeng__: I've seen you have bunch of patch sets about doc migration14:21
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alexchadinseems that Yumeng__ moved away...14:24
adisky__alexchadin: There are series of patches in many components with topic "doc-migration"14:24
alexchadinadisky__: I know14:24
Yumeng__alexchadin: Back again... slow network14:24
Yumeng__alexchadin: I haven't done doc-migration concerning installation14:24
alexchadinYumeng__: you have provided new structure here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:doc-migration14:25
Yumeng__yep14:26
alexchadinokay, now it makes sense14:26
alexchadinany other announcements?14:27
alexchadin#topic Review Action Items14:28
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alexchadinWatcher specs14:28
alexchadinAdd Volume migrate action spec needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468817/14:28
Yumeng__adisky__: let's discuss doc-migration after meeting14:28
hidekazuplease review, because code is not small.14:28
adisky__Yumeng__: ok14:29
alexchadinYumeng__, adisky__ thanks a lot!14:29
alexchadinhidekazu: I will continue my reviewing since next week, a lot of work during this one14:29
alexchadinwho wants to review this spec?14:30
hidekazualexchadin: thanks.14:30
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Yumeng__alexchadin:  add me on it. Since I have reviewed once14:31
alexchadinYumeng__: thanks!14:31
alexchadin#action Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468817/14:31
hidekazuYumeng__: you already +1 though.14:31
alexchadinupdate action description needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459529/14:31
Yumeng__ hidekazu :Ohh.. then maybe I can ask licanwei to review this again!14:32
hidekazuYumeng__: thanks!14:32
alexchadinseems that licanwei isn't here14:32
alexchadinadd name for audit needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474865/14:33
alexchadinsuzhengwei: is it ready to be reviewed?14:33
adisky__i will review it14:33
suzhengweiyes14:33
Yumeng__alexchadin: no worries. I will talk to him tomorrow14:34
hidekazuYumeng__: you can review code as well :)14:34
Yumeng__hidekazu: ok14:34
hidekazualexchadin: i will review it.14:34
alexchadinsuzhengwei: FYI, please mark commits with [WiP] tag if they are still in progress14:34
alexchadin#action adisky__ hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474865/14:35
vincentfrancoisealexchadin: I have another meeting right now... I have to leave but can you guys add me on the things you want me to review in priority?14:35
alexchadinadisky__, hidekazu thank you!14:35
hidekazuvincentfrancoise: please cinder data model14:35
alexchadinvincentfrancoise: yeap, cron audits are waiting for you :D14:36
alexchadinwe will come for it a little bit later14:36
alexchadinmove on14:36
alexchadinSupport visualizing workload fingerprints needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/14:36
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alexchadinunfortunately Ananth Narayan S don't attend our meetings14:37
alexchadinwho would like to review it?14:38
sballe_add me.14:38
sballe_I will be able ot spend some time reviewing spec and code this week14:38
alexchadinsballe_: thanks!14:39
alexchadin#action sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/14:39
alexchadinextend-node-status needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/14:39
Yumeng__+114:39
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alexchadin#action Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/14:40
alexchadinWatcher14:40
alexchadinNew cron type for audit interval needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471379/14:40
alexchadinhidekazu, vincentfrancoise, licanwei: thank you for your review!14:41
hidekazualexchadin: i will review again.14:41
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alexchadin#action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471379/14:42
alexchadinAdd action description notification needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/14:43
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hidekazualexchadin: this code did not work in my env.14:43
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hidekazualexchadin: we needs another reviewer.14:43
Yumeng__ hidekazu :I would like to have a try14:44
alexchadinhidekazu: I will assign vincentfrancoise14:44
alexchadinand Yumeng14:44
Yumeng__hidekazu: will test in my English14:45
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Yumeng__Envy not English14:45
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Yumeng__env14:45
Yumeng__:)14:45
hidekazuYumeng__: please , api is under wsgi.14:45
alexchadinvincentfrancoise, Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/14:45
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hidekazuYumeng__: if any problems, call me in irc.14:46
Yumeng__hidekazu: OK14:46
alexchadinAbort operation for live migration needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474568/14:46
hidekazualexchadin: i will review14:46
hidekazuadisky__: sorry late reviewing.14:47
alexchadinI'd like to review it too ASAP14:47
alexchadinhidekazu, alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474568/14:47
alexchadinname for audit bunch of patch sets should be reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/add-name-for-audit14:47
adisky__hidekazu: no worries, alexchadin : thnks14:48
adisky__alexchadin: will review14:48
alexchadinI'd propose not to merge any watcher/cli patch sets before spec14:48
adisky__alexchadin: +114:49
hidekazualexchadin: this is openstack.14:49
hidekazualexchadin: +114:49
Yumeng__alexchadin: +114:49
alexchadinadisky__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/add-name-for-audit14:49
alexchadinCinder model integration needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450642/14:50
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alexchadinhidekazu: unfortunately, I can't help with it yet14:50
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alexchadinhidekazu: will review once I have some free time14:50
hidekazualexchadin: if any problems, call me anytime..14:50
alexchadinhidekazu: sure14:50
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alexchadinextend-node-status needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464557/14:52
Yumeng__+114:53
alexchadin#action Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464557/14:53
alexchadinWatcher CLI & Dashboard14:53
alexchadinswitch to openstackdocstheme should be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477512/14:53
alexchadinYumeng__: take a look at error14:53
alexchadinmessage14:54
Yumeng__Ok. Will do14:54
alexchadinAdd support for cron syntax needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473865/14:54
alexchadinfeel free to review it, but don't push it to workflow until main part is merged14:55
suzhengweiI will review it later.14:55
alexchadinsuzhengwei: thanks!14:55
hidekazuvincentfrancoise left comment.14:55
alexchadin#action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473865/14:55
alexchadinhidekazu: oh I see14:55
alexchadinhidekazu: forgot about it14:55
alexchadindoc migration bunch of patches needs to be reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:doc-migration14:56
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hidekazui will study and review them :)14:56
adisky__alexchadin: will review14:56
alexchadinhidekazu, adisky__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:doc-migration14:56
alexchadinthank you for coming! I appreciate your contributions the most!14:57
adisky__alexchadin: what about PTG??14:58
alexchadinadisky__: write on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-watcher-ptg if you come14:58
adisky__alexchadin: ok14:59
alexchadinadisky__: we will see how many people will come14:59
hidekazualexchadin: 2 days or 3days?14:59
alexchadinadisky__: I'll do additional notification about it14:59
alexchadin2 days14:59
adisky__alexchadin: ok got it, thanks14:59
alexchadinhidekazu: wed and thu14:59
hidekazualexchadin: o14:59
hidekazuk14:59
Yumeng__Ok.14:59
alexchadintime to end up this meeting14:59
alexchadinhave a nice day!15:00
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alexchadinbye15:00
Yumeng__Bye!15:00
hidekazusorry onemore,,https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477204/15:00
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alexchadin#endmeeting15:00
hidekazubye..15:00
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serverascode#startmeeting operators_telco_nfv15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 28 15:01:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv'15:01
serverascodehi all :)15:01
shintarohi serverascode15:01
ad_rien_o/15:01
ad_rien_hi serverascode15:01
ad_rien_hi shintaro15:01
shintarohi ad_rien15:01
serverascodeok I'll just give it another minute or so and we can get started15:02
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serverascode#topic What to do with this working group?15:03
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serverascodeok so the only thing I have on the agenda is what to do with this owrking group15:03
serverascodewe just haven't quite ever got the attendance of openstack operators doing nfv work15:03
serverascodewhich isn't necessarily a bad thing15:03
serverascodewe gave it a shot15:03
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shintaroI think it is valuable to have a place to discuss about NFV topics15:03
shintarojust we need more attendance, I agree15:04
serverascodeshintaro: sure, but the original idea was for operators, and they just don't really come to these kind of meetings15:04
PerfectChaosHi all15:04
ad_rien_Maybe a last tentative can consist in contacting the OpenSTack Foundation (Ildiko for instance)15:04
serverascodewe can do something else, but I don't think the orig idea is quite owrking out15:04
ad_rien_in order to ask whether telcos want to join/participate/contribute to this WG.15:04
ad_rien_It seems telcos invest a lot in OpenNFV15:05
serverascodemy initial thought was to perhaps move to being a subgroup of LCOO15:05
shintaroThere use to be many telco ppl in the summmit15:05
ad_rien_so maybe knowing the position of the OpenStack foundation regarding that point can be valuable15:05
serverascodead_rien_ good piont15:06
serverascodealso the whole change working groups into SIGS is going on too15:06
shintaroI know LCOO has AT&T, Orange, NTT at least15:06
ad_rien_serverascode:  I saw a couple of exchanges but not sure I got the whole idea of SIGs yets15:06
ad_rien_s/yets/yet sorry15:06
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shintarome neither15:07
serverascodeI don't completely understand it either, but my impression is that they want to rebrand working gruops as SIGS15:07
ad_rien_I mean SIG is just another way to entitle a WG (i.e. a group of persons that are common interests)15:07
serverascodeand I don't know what that would end up looking like15:07
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serverascodedo people think having a meeitng like this is worthwhile? but perhaps under different conditions?15:08
shintaroWhat I heard in the forum was SIGs are focused on one topic and after finishing the goal, they finish the SIG15:08
ad_rien_More generally, I get the feeling that the issue of attracting recurrent people in WGs is a shared issue?15:08
ad_rien_ok15:08
ad_rien_shintaro: I heard that also15:08
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ad_rien_once again, I think we can make an email to the OpenStack foundation to ask whether they have also seen that trends15:09
ad_rien_(or if it is just related to some WGs)15:09
ad_rien_The performance meetings are less dynamic/efficient/fruitful that what we used to have for the last two cycles15:10
ad_rien_for instance15:10
serverascodead_rien_ so you think an email to the foundation to find out what to do with working groups?15:10
ad_rien_I also took part to the Large Scale meeting last week15:10
ad_rien_we were three15:10
ad_rien_not minutes15:10
ad_rien_not sure what will be the outputs of those meetings15:10
ad_rien_I can be wrong but I have the feeling that several meetings can be merged to have more fruitful exchanges15:11
ad_rien_i.e. less meetings but more effective ones15:11
serverascodead_rien_ I have that feeling too15:11
shintaroagree, too15:11
ad_rien_s/not minutes/no minute (once again sorry for typos)15:11
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ad_rien_so we can write an email to Thierry, Marc, Jonathan, Ildiko just to get their feelings.15:12
ad_rien_Once we get their feedbacks and according to their answers we can send an email on the dev mailing list?15:12
serverascodeok I like that idea15:12
serverascodewho wants to take that on?15:12
serverascode:)15:12
ad_rien_I can do it15:13
shintarocross WG meeting isn't happening yet. I wonder hat happened.15:13
ad_rien_(I mean I plan to have an informal meeting with ttx to deal with all those questions, including the cross wg meeting Shintaro is highlighting)15:13
ad_rien_we can use the next slot and invite TTX15:13
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ad_rien_or we can iterate by mail and I can put you in CC15:14
ad_rien_?15:14
serverascodeso ask him to come to the next occurance of this meeting?15:14
ad_rien_yes, this can be the solution (keeping in mind that we are going to start the vacation period). Maybe the attendance/contributors issue is just related to general WGs.15:14
ad_rien_Are Core component WGs still active?15:15
serverascodehmm, perhaps email would be better15:15
ad_rien_According to the dev mailing It seems that there is still lot of traffic/discussions/...15:15
ad_rien_From our side (FEMDC WG), we have defined two (three) activities and things are moving forward, slowly but forward...15:16
ad_rien_but the same, with more particpants we can do better stuff15:16
shintaroLCOO is starting to push several items forward, too, but yes it would be better if we have more people15:17
serverascodeok, I think this is good timing to make some changes15:17
ad_rien_This cross meeting is really something that can help us to move forward15:17
serverascodeI think it would be best to start some kind of email exchange15:17
serverascodeand not try to get people to a meeting15:18
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ad_rien_It would be great to get more information from jamey15:18
shintaroI think jamemcc should have some idea15:19
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serverascodehe mentioned he would be here today but doesn't seem to have quite made it15:19
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serverascodeso are we suggesting that the upcoming (?) cross wg meeitng is a good place to discuss this topic as well?15:20
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shintaro+115:20
serverascodeok, and we don't quite have all the details on that yet, is that right? I haven't seen anything but haven't been paying great attention15:20
ad_rien_same from my side15:21
serverascodeok, so I guess our first step is to get some information on that meeting :)15:22
serverascodeand I suppose the vacation times will get in the way a bit too15:22
ad_rien_jamemcc:  ?15:22
ad_rien_are you online?15:22
serverascodeok, so lets do this: 1) we will find out more information about the upcomming cross-wg meeting and 2) if that is not working out we will start some kind of email thread on how to make some changes to improve attendance and communication, perhaps by merging some meetings15:24
serverascodedoes that make sense?15:24
shintaro+115:24
ad_rien_I can send a first informal email to TTX just to have his feedback15:24
serverascodeok that's a good idea too15:24
ad_rien_putting you (serverascode) and shintaro in CC15:24
serverascodecool15:25
shintarothanks15:25
serverascodeI think that is a good start :)15:25
serverascodeanyone have anything else to discuss? thoughts? ideas?15:25
serverascodeotherwise I have no other topics and we can end the meeting15:25
ad_rien_Just let him know that we gonna probably stop the WG due to the lack of attendance and we have the feeling that this is an issue that appears in several WGs (at least the one we are used to participate in)15:26
ad_rien_no15:26
ad_rien_from my side15:26
ad_rien_It would be a pitty to stop this WG15:26
serverascodealso, thank you all for coming to these meetings, I really appreciate your time :)15:26
ad_rien_once agin15:26
shintaroI'm ok, thank you15:26
ad_rien_I mean we all know that NFV is an important use-case15:27
ad_rien_maybe there is another point that we should consider15:27
ad_rien_solutions like kubernetes?15:27
serverascodead_rien_ I don't think we'll completely stop it, just change it into something that works and ha the right mission15:27
serverascode*has the right mission15:27
shintaroBTW I'm planning to attend OpsMeetup in Mexico and I found one session proposal for NFV15:27
serverascodeyeah I put that in :)15:27
ad_rien_yes… but LCCO is also targetting extreme testing etc....15:27
ad_rien_I attended several workshops/events/conferences during the three last weeks15:28
shintaro+1 serverascode :015:28
shintaro:)15:28
ad_rien_Some people argued that OpenStack does not allow to deal with containers and thus is probably not the best player for NFV use-cases15:28
ad_rien_the other aspect is that ESTI considers OpenStack just as a simple VIM (Virtual Infrastructure Manager) and wants to reimplement the wheel on top of OpenStack15:29
ad_rien_i.e. they use OpenStack as libvirt15:29
ad_rien_i.e. start/shutdown a VM15:29
ad_rien_and all the advanced features is down at higher level on top of OpenStack15:29
shintaroyes, more effort are put on higher layer like ONAP15:29
ad_rien_yes… but if you dive into details15:30
ad_rien_you will see that they have to reimplement a lot of mechanisms that is already available at low levels...15:30
ad_rien_too weird...15:30
serverascodeyeah my impression is that kuberentes works best on top of IaaS like OpenStack15:30
ad_rien_because the higher level should deal with regions, load balancing, HA ….15:30
ad_rien_ok I wil write an email to TTX15:30
serverascodeawesome15:31
serverascodeok thanks for attending all :)15:31
serverascodeI will end the meeting15:31
shintarothank you!15:31
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serverascode#endmeeting15:31
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inc0#startmeeting kolla15:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 28 15:59:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:59
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:59
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)"15:59
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'15:59
inc0#topic w00t for Kolla!15:59
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inc0few minutes to show the love guys;)15:59
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duonghqwoot16:00
sdakeo/16:00
spsurya_w00t16:00
Jeffrey4l_woot16:00
egonzalezwoot!16:00
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sdakeresistance is futile?:)16:00
coolsvaphello guys o/ w00t!16:00
krtayloro/16:00
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sdakehey coolsvap how u been16:00
inc0welcome back coolsvap:)16:01
duonghqhi coolsvap16:01
spsurya_sup coolsvap16:01
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rwellumwoot16:01
jascott1w00t16:01
coolsvapi am all well its good to be back :)16:02
mandrewoot16:02
sdakehttps://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/a/ad/Drop_bear.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20050510111310&format=original16:02
mandreoh, hi coolsvap!16:02
ttxcoolsvap is back!16:02
inc0we're all very happy to see you Swapnil16:02
coolsvapthanks inc0 :)16:03
inc0ok, let's get to meeting16:03
spsurya_sdake: +116:03
inc0#topic Announcements16:03
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)"16:03
inc0so happy day for our community, not only coolsvap is back, we also have new core member!16:04
inc0congratulations to spsurya_ and great job!16:04
rwellumCongrats spsurya_ !!16:04
coolsvapspsurya_: (y)16:04
duonghqcongrats spsurya_16:04
egonzalezcongrats spsurya_16:04
inc0any other announcements?16:05
inc0guess not:)16:05
inc0let's get to agenda16:05
spsurya_thanks all for votes and wishes16:05
inc0#topic Triaging of bugs for this week (spsurya)16:05
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inc0I took liberty of removing k8s tool from this topic as we have dedicated one next16:06
spsurya_https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-bug-triage-week16:06
inc0#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-bug-triage-week16:06
spsurya_this got few one which are ready to fix16:06
spsurya_if anyone like they can pick from this16:06
spsurya_to conitrubte16:06
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rwellumWhat does status 'ready to fix' mean exactly? It's a triaged as a valid bug and looking for an owner?16:07
spsurya_more interesting one16:07
spsurya_tested rwellum tool16:07
inc0rwellum: yeah16:07
spsurya_rwellum: yes looking for owner16:08
inc0spsurya_: hold that thought, we have rwellum tool topic after this one16:08
rwellumthanks16:08
spsurya_you can grab any if you like16:08
spsurya_to contribute more16:08
inc0also if anyone ever asks how to contribute16:08
spsurya_so on rwellum tool16:08
inc0this is great list to get people started16:08
* krtaylor looks16:09
inc0right, I'll just start the topic;)16:09
inc0#topic Question - upstream a tool (or not)? rwellum16:09
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spsurya_Intially found some imrovement in tools and communicated the same with rwellum.16:09
spsurya_thanks rewellum for keeping fix the monir issues.16:09
inc0rwellum spsurya_ go ahead16:09
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inc0https://github.com/jascott1/arboreal/ I16:09
spsurya_Successfully tested AIO on centos with 2 NICs, 16GB RAM, 50GB HDD, 4CPUs resources.16:09
inc0I'll add this one too16:09
inc0rwellum: mind pasting link to your rtepo please?16:10
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spsurya_inc0: IMO would be good if he push it to upstream and get some feedback more people16:10
rwellumyes was good to get another (core) use it - before sending to everyone.16:10
rwellumhttps://github.com/RichWellum/k8s16:10
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spsurya_Failed with 1CPUS as well as with 2 CPUs that should not happen.16:10
spsurya_This may be the issue in kubernetes 1.6.516:10
spsurya_as per rwellum IIRC16:11
inc0so let's discuss what we want to do in general16:11
inc0with this problem16:11
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spsurya_inc0: Need to test on Ubuntu 16.04 too which is left AIO16:11
inc0we have Arboreal that sets up k8s with terraform+ansible16:11
inc0we also have playbook for kolla there16:12
inc0we have rwellum's tool16:12
jascott1the terraform bits need a little more work but I am doing that now16:12
jascott1imean they work but arent as portable as could be16:12
inc0apperantly there is need for that stuff:)16:12
spsurya_jascott1:16:12
spsurya_rwellum: tool also need some work16:13
spsurya_to get into final shape16:13
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sdakei'd recommend focusing on one deployment mechanism rather than 3 parallel development paths :)16:14
inc0that too16:14
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sdakei'm personally a fan of the microchart ansible approach - very flexible and complete control16:14
inc0but since we have at least 2 different16:14
inc0problem is real16:14
rwellumYeah that's why I raised it in the first place as an agenda item.16:15
rwellumDon't want to deflect potential users and contributors from jascott1 excellent solution.16:15
spsurya_sdake: +1, yes we need one deployment mechanism16:15
rwellumI was mainly through developing this tool when I saw jascott1 was doing this.16:15
sdakesimple is good - i believe brad's approach is pretty solid - haven't looked at your solution jascott116:16
jascott1its the dev guide in ansible format16:16
inc0rwellum: neither are excellent, but I agree with sdake, we need good and easy method to move from clean k8s to kolla16:16
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sdakejascott1 there were some earlly reviews on brad's approach - and there was some desire to keep things "seprated"16:17
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inc0sdake: separated will be super easy when we have roles figured out16:17
rwellumI haven't seen 'Brads' tool sdake - I know there is also a shell-script - I thought that was the second tool.16:17
sdakewhat i'm saying in essence is jascott1 bradjones can you guys team up plz :)16:18
inc0#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473588/816:18
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jascott1at least between the two approaches we should have all/most of the functionality we need and be able to reference each16:18
inc0I'll also add this16:18
inc0#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474770/16:18
inc0at some point we'll run Brad's playbook from inside container16:18
inc0and this might be the container16:18
inc0we can create helm chart to run playbooks:)16:19
inc0helm install orchestration/generate-config16:19
rwellumSo these ansible approaches seem almost like they are heading towards production level usage? My tool is a simple single user, AIO on a VM. Good for learning k8s and kolla etc.16:20
inc0helm install orchestration/deploy-kolla16:20
sdakei like it  -based upon kfox1111 's review of brad's work - the config gen should be a seprate thing i htink16:20
sdakerwellum yes - these are production deployment tools16:20
sdake(or will be ;)16:20
inc0I kinda disagree, it has to be optional16:20
inc0but in kolla-ansible config gen is part of deployment16:20
inc0and I like that16:20
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inc0if you want to provide your own configs, fine16:20
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sdakehere is what i'd recommend with the approach to solving this problem16:21
sdakewe know for certain deployment is one type of "playbook" needed16:21
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sdakelets get that working well in a docker container launched by a helm install16:21
sdakeand then sort out the next part fo the solution next16:21
inc0that's what I propose...16:21
inc0and that's what this change is about..16:21
sdakeif we try to solve too many porblems at once, we end with sea salt production16:22
inc0what I'm trying to say16:23
inc0is when we have docker image with ansible in it16:23
inc0we can do all16:23
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sdakeright makes sense16:23
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inc0kfox1111 around?16:25
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inc0ok, I guess we need to get kfox1111 and Serguey on board16:26
inc0let's talk to them later today about that16:26
inc0in the meantime, I'll work on dockerfile part + configmap generation, that's coming on nicely16:26
inc0and Brad's playbook should be easy afterwards16:27
inc0to be put into container that is16:27
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inc0anything else on the topic?16:28
inc0guess not16:28
inc0#topic Open discussion16:28
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inc0one thing from me16:28
rwellumI guess with both ansible solutions floating around, the general consensus is my tool is probably not upstream-worthy at this point. So occasionally we have new folks on IRC struggling to bring up kolla-k8s. Like 'ddejog'. I should point him to jascott1 solution then?16:28
rwellumSorry inc0  - slow typer here16:29
sdakerwellum you can push a review - and then people can use it16:29
inc0rwellum: feel free to suggest your own tool, no worries about that16:29
rwellumOh ok then.16:29
inc0what we're sayin is it's a prothesis and we need something better which is in the making by Brad and myself16:29
sdakei think we have decided to boil this sepcific ocean with ansible however :)16:29
rwellumCheers guys.16:29
rwellumYes agree fully with that.16:29
inc0so let's focus on proper way to solve it is what we're saying;)16:30
inc0from me, I need these changes merged for docker registry people;) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475940/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475940/16:30
inc0https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475469/16:30
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inc0infra change is blocked on these 2 and whole dockerhub publisher is blocked on this16:31
inc0so can I have some reviews please?:)16:31
rwellumTwo of those links are the same inc0 ?16:32
inc0https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475940/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475469/16:32
inc0these two16:32
rwellumok16:33
rwellumWill take a look.16:33
inc0thank you16:34
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inc0anything else wants to say anything?16:34
inc0anyone*16:34
duonghqo/16:34
inc0go ahead Duong16:34
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duonghqon slim image effort, I saw this: https://dzone.com/articles/minideb-a-minimalist-debian-based-docker-image16:34
duonghqI think we can grab the idea which is clean up image after install anything?16:35
inc0duonghq: impossible if you have layers16:35
duonghqin general: we can have some script to wrapper thing like this16:35
inc0then you will just double cleanup size really16:35
inc0that'd be great when docker --squash is a thing16:35
duonghqhmm, another idea: will we use slim image like alpine?16:36
inc0package availability becomes issue16:36
coolsvapI think that was brought earlier as well16:36
coolsvapagree with inc016:36
inc0that being said, this creates wrapper around apt-get install it seems16:37
inc0so you install and cleanup in same layer16:37
duonghqyeah16:37
inc0which is cool, but might be longer16:37
duonghqbut I think it's worth if we can slim down the image16:37
inc0yeah, depends on priorities I guess, but definetly worth to try16:38
duonghqya16:38
inc0duonghq: wanna try to do it? I think it should be as easy as changing macro install packages and using base distro debian16:38
duonghqI think I'll give it a try16:39
inc0cool, thanks16:39
inc0cutting megs from our images is always good16:39
duonghqsure16:39
inc0after docker squash works we can get even better at it16:39
duonghqI'm waiting for it16:40
inc0great idea, thanks16:40
inc0another thing - with fresh images in dockerhub time of build becomes less of a factor16:40
inc0size become more16:40
inc0so if we can get slow building small images, as long as we build->upload them nightly16:41
inc0it's cool16:41
inc0so, anything else?16:41
duonghqfrom me: no16:42
inc0anyone?16:42
inc0ok, I think we can wrap it up:)16:42
inc0thank you all for coming!16:43
inc0#endmeeting kolla16:43
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