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danoffek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 12 08:00:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is danoffek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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danoffekHi everywone :)08:01
danoffekToday's agenda :08:01
nofarschhi!08:01
danoffek* Sydney summit08:01
danoffek* status and updates08:01
danoffek* Open Discussion08:02
danoffek#topic Sydney Summit08:02
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danoffekReminder: Sydney summit CFP. The deadline for submissions is July 14th08:02
danoffek#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/call-for-presentations/08:02
danoffekI'm replacing IfatAffek today08:02
danoffekSo I'l be doing all of the "wow!", "amazing!!" "Way to go!"08:03
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danoffekIn any case,08:03
danoffekOur current proposals are in the etherpad below, you can still add new proposals.08:03
danoffek#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-sydney-cpf08:03
danoffek14th is in two days. If any one has any last updates or proposals, please do so .08:04
nofarsch@danoffek lol08:04
danoffek@nofarsch Way to go !08:04
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danoffek#topic Status and Updates08:05
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danoffekSo I'll start my / Ifat's updates08:05
danoffekIfat is fixing a bug with Vitrage and Collectd08:06
danoffekOriginally we thought we only get Alarms from Collectd on Hosts, so we wrote Vitrage / CollectD accordingly.08:06
danoffekWe now know we can receive alarms on any item. And the bug was on "Ports"08:07
danoffekIfat wrote a fix and pushed it, we asked for a few changes on the fix, which she will do, and then it will be pushed / approved.08:07
danoffekAny questions about this bug ?08:07
danoffekNo ? Amazing !08:08
yujunz-zteAmazing +108:08
danoffek:)08:08
danoffekI'll update about rest / Http post development.08:08
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danoffekI finally had some time yesterday to work on it08:08
danoffekI did a basic httppost message of alarms to a "http  bin" (Henry's http post bin), and it worked .08:09
danoffekThis is basic code only, and it only sends "posts" on alarms. I need to adapt to send posts on any entity update / change / other08:09
danoffekFurthermore, I need to develop registration for filters / addresss / credentials08:10
danoffekThere are 2 rst which describe this development which were pushed some time ago08:11
danoffekAny questions ?08:11
danoffekWow !! This is going to be a short IRC meeting :)08:12
danoffekAny other updates ?08:12
danoffek@Yujunz-zte ?08:12
yujunz-zteSorry, in 3 meetings..08:12
yujunz-zteI don't have much progress last week08:12
danoffekJust trying to stall this IRC ending. You don't really have to write anything ;)08:12
yujunz-zteHope to continue working on RPC and the rest next week :-)08:13
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danoffekGood luck08:13
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danoffekA few additional updates to make it look like this meeting is long :08:14
danoffekClient libraries final releases (i.e. python-vitrageclient): July 2708:14
danoffekClient libraries final releases (i.e. python-vitrageclient): July 2708:14
danoffekClient libraries final releases (i.e. python-vitrageclient): July 2708:14
danoffekFeature freeze: July 2708:14
danoffekFinal Pike release: August 3008:14
danoffekIf you want to add or modify the API, you must do it by the end of this month. Same goes for adding new features. We can continue working on small improvements and bug fixes during August.08:14
yujunz-zteI want to ask about the progress on CFP08:14
danoffekTomorrow, Ifat will get back to working on Vitrage-Mistral integration08:15
danoffek#topic Open Discussion08:15
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danoffekVery hot weather here.08:15
danoffekAnyone else ?08:15
danoffek#endmeeting08:16
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul 12 08:16:20 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)08:16
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-07-12-08.00.html08:16
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-07-12-08.00.txt08:16
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-07-12-08.00.log.html08:16
nofarschbest meeting ever!08:16
danoffekThanks :)08:16
nofarsch@danoffek terrible weather08:16
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danoffek@nofarsch I agree. Air conditioning all day long08:17
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danoffekBye08:18
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alex_xu#startmeeting nova api13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 12 13:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
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alex_xuwho is here today?13:00
gmann_o/13:00
stephenfino/13:00
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alex_xuok, let us start the meeting13:01
alex_xu#link https://review.openstack.org/46799913:01
cdento/13:01
alex_xugmann_: thanks for the quota-class fix13:02
alex_xu#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/api-no-more-extensions-pike13:02
gmann_alex_xu: we need client side support also for 2.50?13:02
gmann_alex_xu: for quota fix microversiob13:03
alex_xugmann_: ah, right,13:03
gmann_ok, ll push tomorrow13:03
gmann_tempest tests not needed as it is just api layer level changes only13:03
alex_xugmann_: thanks13:03
alex_xugmann_: ok13:04
alex_xugmann_: so we need tempest tests when it is more complex functional change?13:05
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gmann_alex_xu: mainly for integration tests where more services involved or it is more complex involving multiple layer till hypervisor etc13:06
alex_xugmann_: got it, thanks13:06
gmann_for api and db layer changes we avoid13:06
alex_xuthe functional test and unittest will cover that13:07
gmann_yea13:07
alex_xufor the api-no-more-extension, I addressed one of -1 and rebase the patches13:08
alex_xustephenfin: some of patches may need another round review, appreciate if you can help13:08
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alex_xuand hope I can catch sdague to help on the review13:08
stephenfinalex_xu: Yup, I saw them this morning. They're all in my backlog for once I finish the doc-migration rework13:08
alex_xustephenfin: thanks13:09
stephenfin(Would appreciate reviews on that series too :))13:09
stephenfinalex_xu: np13:09
alex_xuok, there is item from Matt13:10
alex_xuhe sent an email this morning13:10
alex_xu#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119581.html13:10
alex_xuBut I think I didn't describe clearly in the patch review. I agree with idempotent, I'm just ask about saving db call if there is nothing changed in real13:11
alex_xuonly one of things I think that may not right.13:11
alex_xuWhen the user enabled a serivce, and specified a disabled_reason, the patch just ignore the disabled_reason sliently. I think we should return 400 explicitly13:12
gmann_alex_xu: oh, is it13:13
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alex_xuthat confuses the user13:14
gmann_alex_xu: yea, all those go through single update method13:14
alex_xugmann_: yea13:15
cdentI had a look at that briefly. Ed's response was right for what Matt said, but your clarification alex_xu changes things a bit13:15
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alex_xucdent: ah, so 204 should return a empty body?13:16
cdentif the response is 204, then the body should be empty13:16
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cdentbut I was meaning more about the desire for put to be idempotent13:17
gmann_cdent: alex_xu yea 204 seems like different status on same API depends on what state resource was13:17
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gmann_+1 for idempotent13:17
gmann_but it should be single status code13:18
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* cdent looks at the review13:19
alex_xuis it worth to change that?13:19
alex_xuso what nothing in the request body, the patch return 400, it is worth to return 204 and empty body?13:20
alex_xus/what nothing/what about/13:20
cdentunder what circumstances is 400 being returned?13:20
alex_xucdent: a empty request body like '{}'13:21
gmann_cdent: if enable or disable without host and binary13:21
gmann_#link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/schemas/services.py#L2813:21
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cdentthat sounds like a bad request, so 400 is correct?13:21
gmann_current schema ^^13:21
cdentyeah, if there is a schema violation, 40013:22
cdenthow would 204 come into that?13:22
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alex_xuyea, that should be 400, I just think idempotent as nothing change, that is different case13:22
alex_xuanother question, if disabled_reason specified in the request, but without specified the status as enabled or disabled, should we return 400? or just think it is ok, because it just update an attribute of the resource?13:26
gmann_alex_xu: 'without specified the status as enabled or disabled' but it has to be either as action13:27
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gmann_alex_xu: got it, you mean other than disable-log-reason13:28
alex_xugmann_: the new version proposal the API just like a update of resource https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464280/21/nova/api/openstack/compute/schemas/services.py13:28
gmann_yea13:28
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alex_xucdent: do you have any opinion?13:31
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cdentI would think that disabled_reason without 'status' is a 400?13:32
alex_xuIf we just think about PUT is action update the attributes of the resource13:33
alex_xuthe code will be easy. But probably enable some useless usecase.13:33
stephenfin(side note: all the bp/api-no-more-extensions-pike patches are reviewed now, alex_xu)13:35
alex_xuso I think we agree that we should return 204 with empty body, right?13:35
alex_xustephenfin: thanks13:35
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alex_xugmann_: ok, I saw your email reply :)13:36
alex_xuI think we can just move the discussion to the maillist13:37
gmann_alex_xu: i replied not to return 204. i mean same status code with same response as on first request13:37
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cdentsorry I need to depart early13:38
* cdent waves13:38
gmann_alex_xu: otherwise as user i have to take care of multiple status code on API depends on first or further call13:38
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gmann_alex_xu: yea we can move further and discuss on ML13:39
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alex_xugmann_: but I guess 204 is signal about there is nothing change13:39
alex_xugmann_: yea, let us move to the ML13:39
alex_xuso we can close the meeting now? that all I have13:40
alex_xuok, let us close the meeting13:41
alex_xuthanks all!13:41
alex_xu#endmeeting13:41
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gmann_alex_xu: thanks13:41
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alexchadin#startmeeting watcher14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 12 14:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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alexchadinhi14:00
Yumeng__Hi14:00
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alexchadinwhen it starts at 14:00 utc, there are less people than at 13:00 utc14:01
alexchadinhi hidekazu suzhengwei14:01
alexchadinhi Yumeng__14:01
suzhengweihi14:01
alexchadintoday we have the following agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#07.2F12.2F201714:01
alexchadin#topic Announcements14:02
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alexchadinwatcher repo has prepared docs. watcher-dashboard and python-watcherclient are still on the way.14:02
alexchadinwe've made almost all required steps to reach new docs standards14:02
alexchadinYumeng__ thank you for your help with doc-migration14:03
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lakerzhoulakerzhou14:03
suzhengweihi, lakerzhou14:03
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Yumeng__My pleasure . I noticed that we have lots of bugs in dashboard14:03
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lakerzhouHi, Suzhengwei14:04
Yumeng__We should fix those bugs and then we can be able to merge doc-migration in watcher-dashboard14:04
alexchadinYumeng__: yeah, I'm working on it14:04
Yumeng__alexchadin: great!14:05
alexchadinThree presentations have been submitted #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-Sydney-meetings14:05
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alexchadinDon't hesitate to submit your own14:05
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alexchadintwo of three are in the same category14:06
hidekazu_alexchadin: sorry i missed write to etherpad.14:06
adisky__Hi sorry for late14:06
alexchadinhi adisky__ !14:06
alexchadinhidekazu_: no worries, just don't forget to do it ;)14:06
Yumeng__And I have one idea to share with you guys!14:07
lakerzhouYumeng is on all three talks!14:07
hidekazu_Yumeng__: three is max.14:08
alexchadinI hope they won't be at the same time14:08
Yumeng__yep14:08
alexchadinas it was in Boston :)14:08
alexchadintwo watcher presentations at the same time14:09
alexchadinsome kind of magic14:09
Yumeng__Sorry to disturb you. I noticed that recently we have quite a few patches waiting for review but only have limited developers to do the review.14:09
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Yumeng__So I would suggest that we give different priorities to the patches and review according to their priorities.14:10
Yumeng__Here I proposed a example on etherpad, please take a look14:10
Yumeng__https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-review-priority14:10
hidekazu_Yumeng__: personally i am reviewing for pike-314:10
Yumeng__hidekazu_: Good!14:11
alexchadinYumeng__: I try to review as much as I can, but there are a lot of deals with Foundation's crew14:11
hidekazu_Yumeng__: now only milestone is important.14:11
alexchadinhidekazu_: +114:11
hidekazu_https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/pike-314:12
alexchadinif all milestone patches needs new PSs, we may review other ones14:12
Yumeng__ hidekazu_ :+1. It's just a personal idea! Leave any comment on etherpad.14:12
Yumeng__alexchadin: +1. I remember Vincent suggested that we give him a priority  about reviewing.14:13
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alexchadinso14:14
alexchadinany other announcements?14:14
suzhengweieverybody, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468261/ this spec is important to watcher. It need your review.14:14
alexchadinsuzhengwei: IMHO, you should attract an attention of nova's folks to be sure that it's not -2 commit14:16
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hidekazu_suzhenwei: this is nova spec, you need nova help.14:16
hidekazu_s/suzhenwei/suzhengwei/14:17
alexchadinsuzhengwei: we will review it, but I personally will do it only when nova team are agreed with it14:17
alexchadinsuzhengwei: cause there may be 1000 reasons why it's not correlate with nova policies ;)14:18
suzhengweiyes, but it infect watcher. It need promote.14:18
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alexchadinsuzhengwei: I recommend you to contact with ed leafe14:19
suzhengweiok14:19
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alexchadinsuzhengwei: he is our liaison with nova team14:20
sballe_hi14:20
alexchadinhi sballe_14:20
alexchadinwell, let's move on14:20
alexchadin#topic Review Action Items14:21
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alexchadinwatcher14:21
alexchadinspecs14:21
alexchadinAdd notfications for actionplan cancel needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482902/14:21
alexchadinadisky__: is it ready to be reviewed?14:22
adisky__alexchadin: yes14:22
alexchadinadisky__: please take a look at it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/7/specs/pike/approved/services-versioned-notifications-api.rst14:23
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alexchadinadisky__: you should show notification structures at least14:23
adisky__alexchadin: ok, I will add14:24
alexchadinadisky__: thank you14:24
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alexchadinadisky__: and tag me as reviewer14:24
adisky__alexchadin: I thought, it is same as previous notifications , so no need to add structure14:25
alexchadinAdd Volume migrate action spec needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468817/14:25
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alexchadinadisky__: anyway, it is standalone spec and should be prepared accordingly14:26
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alexchadinhidekazu_: diagram is great!14:26
adisky__alexchadin: I will add14:26
alexchadin#action adisky__ update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482902/14:27
hidekazu_Add Volume migrate action spec needs core reviewer other than me.14:27
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alexchadinhidekazu_: I will review it14:28
hidekazu_alexchadin: thanks!14:28
alexchadinhidekazu_: I'll do it tomorrow, ping me to remind please14:28
hidekazu_alexchadin: ok.14:29
alexchadin#action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468817/14:29
alexchadinSpecs for Saving Energy Strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47641614:29
alexchadinhow would like to review it?14:30
alexchadinwho*14:30
hidekazu_alexchadin: i first reviewed code, if new ps of code proposed, i will review spec.14:30
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hidekazu_alexchadin: code is readable than spec about saving energy now.14:31
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suzhengweiagree14:32
alexchadinsuzhengwei, hidekazu_ I will tag you as reviewers, ok?14:32
hidekazu_alexchadin: ok.14:33
suzhengweiok, i will give new review.14:33
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alexchadin#action suzhengwei hidekazu_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47641614:33
alexchadinupdate action description needs to be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459529/14:33
vincentfrancoisehi everyone14:33
alexchadinhi vincentfrancoise14:34
alexchadinunfortunately, licanwei isn't here today14:34
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alexchadin[WIP] Spec for multi-datasource support] needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46710214:34
hidekazu_vincentfrancoise: hi14:34
adisky__Will review14:35
alexchadinvincentfrancoise: seems it's your commit to review ;)14:35
alexchadinadisky__: nice!14:35
vincentfrancoisedidn't have time to do any meaningful review since it's a short week in France (14th is a bank holiday)14:35
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alexchadin#action adisky__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46710214:35
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alexchadinvincentfrancoise: I'll tag you as reviewer, ok?14:36
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hidekazu_French also has bank holiday..14:37
vincentfrancoisealexchadin: yup14:37
hidekazu_sorry.14:37
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suzhengweiI will review Spec for multi-datasource support,tag me too.14:38
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alexchadinsuzhengwei: thanks!14:38
lakerzhouthanks suzhengwei14:38
alexchadin#action suzhengwei vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46710214:38
suzhengweiwelcome14:38
alexchadinadd name for audit needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474865/14:38
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alexchadinsuzhengwei: contact to licanwei when he is available14:40
suzhengweiok14:40
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alexchadinSupport visualizing workload fingerprints needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/14:41
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alexchadinsuzhengwei: I will investigate your commit14:42
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alexchadinextend-node-status needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/14:42
alexchadinadisky__: could you please review it again?14:43
Yumeng__alexchadin: add me please. Sorry for late review.14:43
alexchadin#action Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/14:44
alexchadinwatcher14:44
alexchadinNew cron type for audit interval will be updated soon14:44
alexchadinCinder model integration needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450642/14:44
alexchadinit's hard to review14:44
adisky__alexchadin: will review extend node status14:45
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hidekazu_alexchadin: merge and fix is one way ;)14:45
alexchadin#action adisky__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/14:45
vincentfrancoisefor the Cinder model IMHO we should get it merged as-is14:47
hidekazu_alexchadin: no harm because of not part of core framework.14:47
alexchadinI agree14:47
vincentfrancoiseI give it a +2 then14:47
alexchadin+1 W14:48
alexchadinEnable migration to rely on nova-scheduler needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476369/14:49
alexchadinYumeng__: will you take it?14:49
Yumeng__alexchadin: yes no pb14:50
alexchadin#action Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476369/14:50
alexchadinGet load of every available host by gathering instances load needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482780/14:50
alexchadinsuzhengwei: have you seen my comment?14:50
suzhengweiyes.14:51
alexchadinsuzhengwei: we have discussed it when this strategy was in development14:51
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alexchadinAdd action description notification needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/14:52
suzhengweiI have noticed the discusion14:52
alexchadinsorry, licanwei hasn't updated spec14:52
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alexchadinAbort operation for live migration needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474568/14:53
Yumeng__alexchadin: +114:53
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alexchadin#action Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474568/14:54
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alexchadinextend-node-status needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464557/14:55
alexchadinI propose to review implementation after spec is merged14:55
alexchadinWatcher CLI & Dashboard14:55
alexchadinMove existing content into the new standard structure needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478342/14:55
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alexchadinplease, don't forget to review python-watcherclient and watcher-dashboard commits14:56
hidekazu_+114:56
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suzhengwei<alexchadin>https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479257/ this need more review.14:56
hidekazu_alexchadin: W+114:57
alexchadinsuzhengwei: yeap14:57
alexchadinwho would like to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479257/?14:58
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alexchadinhidekazu_: please take it14:58
hidekazu_ok14:59
adisky__I will also review14:59
suzhengweithx14:59
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alexchadin#action adisky__ hidekazu_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479257/14:59
alexchadinwell14:59
alexchadinthank you for coming!14:59
alexchadinour time is running out14:59
alexchadinwe've made great job!14:59
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alexchadinhope to see you next time ;)14:59
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suzhengweisee you15:00
Yumeng__See you15:00
alexchadinbye15:00
adisky__bye15:00
hidekazu_bye15:00
alexchadin#endmeeting15:00
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inc0#startmeeting kolla15:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 12 15:59:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:59
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inc0#topic w00t for kolla15:59
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egonzalez90woot o/15:59
inc0hello everyone, let's give few minutes for people to join16:00
duonghqroger16:00
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jascott1w00716:00
inc0lol16:00
coolsvapw00t 0/16:01
jascott1w3w7?16:01
spsurya_:)16:01
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krtaylorwoot16:02
duonghqhi coolsvap16:02
coolsvapduonghq: hi16:03
* krtaylor has conformed to the woot :)16:03
inc0:F16:03
inc0:D16:03
inc0ok, let's get to it16:04
inc0#topic Announcements16:04
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inc0Summit call for proposals is cuting off in 2 days16:04
inc0we'll have meeting topic to summarize sessiosn we want to make16:04
pbourkeo/16:05
inc0any community announcements?16:05
inc0guess not:)16:05
inc0#topic Summit sessions16:06
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inc0so, I know of 2 sessions we propose16:06
inc01. image customization and 2. upgrades16:06
inc0anyone else thought of submission?16:06
* duonghq and spsurya_ has one 16:07
inc0I'd encourage this:) it's great experience16:07
spsurya_inc0: yes16:07
inc0cool! what's that?16:07
spsurya_New era of OpenStack deployment: non-containerized to containerized with Kolla16:07
inc0oh, brownfield migration?16:07
inc0I'd go to that!16:07
spsurya_inc0: thinking of same16:07
inc0we have some notes for this topic, really cool16:08
inc0I'll be happy to help you with content16:08
spsurya_inc0: thanks16:08
duonghqawesome16:08
spsurya_inc0: yes i looking for such help16:08
spsurya_much needed16:08
spsurya_:)16:08
sbezverksubmitted yesterday a session on kolla-k8s project overview16:08
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spsurya_sbezverk: +116:09
rwellumOn '1' - inc0 have time this afternoon to wrap this up?16:09
rwellum+1 sbezverk16:09
sbezverkif somebody wants to co-present, please let me know16:09
duonghqnice, sbezverk16:09
inc0yes, we need to rwellum16:09
spsurya_that would be awesome sbezverk16:09
krtaylorI was thinking of something like kolla on non-x86 architectures16:09
duonghqkrtaylor, it'll be very interesting topic16:10
krtaylornot sure if the audience would be large enough to get a session16:10
sbezverkkrtaylor man all non x86 dudes will be yours ;)16:10
inc0all 5 of them?:P16:11
krtaylorouch, but...yeah :p16:11
inc0(sorry, that's Intel employee in me)16:11
duonghqguess so,16:11
inc0but go for it, would be cool demo of how flexible our poject is16:12
krtayloryep, all boats float so to speak16:12
inc0right16:12
rwellumkrtaylor: building images or deployment? Or both?16:12
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krtaylorI was thinking both, maybe even heterogeneous environments for a challange16:13
duonghqhi vhosakot16:13
vhosakoto/ (sorry I'm late, was in another meeting)16:13
vhosakothi duonghq16:13
inc0no worries vhosakot16:13
rwellumkrtaylor: the latter would be great topic.16:13
spsurya_hi vhosakot16:14
inc0vhosakot also mentioned making workshops similar to what we did in Boston16:14
vhosakothi spsurya_!16:14
krtaylorif anyone else would be interested in co-speaking that topic, let me know16:14
inc0sbezverk: maybe you'd want to make hands on kolla-k8s workshops instead of presentation?16:14
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inc0that's going to be a bit harder, but much more impactful16:14
rwellum"Heterogeneous multi-architecture technology-agnostic Kolla Containers" - krtaylor16:14
spsurya_inc0: +116:15
duonghqinc0, if sbezverk want to do both, I think I can give one hand on workshop16:15
sbezverkinc0: I can do both, just never organized this type of activities16:15
krtaylor+1, for the workshop, like the onboarding in Boston step 216:15
sbezverkso I do not know how it is done..16:15
vhosakotyeah, I'm up for workshops if anyone needs help.  creating the golden VMs for the workshop needs time.  I recently did 2 kolla workshops but lost the VMs :(16:15
inc0sbezverk: it's fun, I'll help you with organization and after than in the room16:15
rwellumsbezverk: for 2 million you can use my tool :)16:15
inc0lol16:16
krtaylorrwellum, sounds perfect, now just a cute title...16:16
duonghqguess that sbezverk has enough hand to do both16:16
vhosakotworkshops are great and hands-on, attendees loved it in Boston16:16
krtaylor+116:16
sbezverkrwellum agreed 2 million molecules of H2O16:16
inc0rwellum: I'll give you 2m IRR for that16:16
jascott1what cluster to use for workshop?16:17
rwellumlol sbezverk inc016:17
vhosakotinc0: is there a plan to do workshops for both kolla-ansible and kolla-k8s?16:18
inc0we'll need to figure something out, but I'm sure we can scrap for vms between our major fortune 100 megacorporations;)16:18
spsurya_i already tested many time rwellum tool :)16:18
spsurya_quite cool16:18
spsurya_i know how to use it16:18
sbezverkinc0: how many VMs would be needed for 1 session?16:19
inc0well, let's not spread ourselves too thin16:19
inc0sbezverk: I made 5 per person, but that's not required16:19
inc0last time OpenStack Foundation offered 1 vm per person16:19
inc0and if this will be a thing again, we can at least do aio, not a bad thing too16:20
sbezverkok 1 VM for AIO kolla-k8s should be doable even within my lab if it is for not more than 25 poeple at the time16:20
spsurya_inc0: +116:20
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inc0sbezverk: I had 100+ people;)16:21
inc0it's going to be 100+ probably16:21
sbezverkinc0: :) you have intel to back you up with hardware16:21
sbezverkI can get only routers ;)16:21
rwellumsbezverk: I'll check with my lab- there might be something we can do.16:21
inc0sbezverk: riiiight, I'm only one from datacenter hardware company here;)16:22
inc0anyway, sbezverk that would make totally awesome workshops16:22
inc0for kolla-k8s16:22
sbezverkinc0: sure the only thing worries me is hardweare16:23
inc0we'll figure something out16:23
vhosakotsbezverk: in my (our company), if is tough to host VMs for a public workshop, I tried and failed 3 times.  however, I succeeded in hosting VMs for an internal workshop organized by our company (like Cisco Live).16:23
sbezverkrwellum can you participate in this workshop even if you do not get h/w?16:24
inc0again, last time OVH (I think) donated vms for workshops16:24
vhosakotI recently did 2 kolla workshops for 50+ people, each person getting 2 VMs for kolla-ansible.16:24
rwellumsbezverk: yes would like too.16:24
inc0so if that'd be true again, we could at least do AIO16:24
inc0so we can get help from OpenStack Foundation for that16:25
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inc0let's not worry about that just yet16:25
vhosakotsbezverk: I can help too with the workshops16:25
rwellumThe last workshop I went to - people used digital ocean. You get a certain amount of credit free - was fine for a 1-day workshop.16:25
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sbezverkvhosakot : cool16:26
vhosakotyeah, many people use DO VMs16:26
sbezverklet's do it then..16:26
spsurya_I will also try to arrange some VMs from NEC16:26
inc0cool sbezverk, would be totally awesome16:26
rwellumSo sbezverk now you have to resubmit? Or new?16:26
inc0vhosakot: another topic, can we wrap up Upgrade talk submission right after meeting? To not keep Duong late16:26
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sbezverkrwellum I will add second one16:27
rwellum+1 sbezverk16:27
vhosakotinc0: yes16:27
duonghqthank inc0 vhosakot16:27
sbezverkand add you and vhosakot as co-presenters16:27
vhosakotinc0: lets work on upgrade talk and send duonghq to bed soon :)16:27
rwellumWFM16:27
vhosakotsbezverk: cool, let me know if you need help writing the abstract16:28
inc0sbezverk: in any case, I'll help you with workshops out there16:28
rwellumvhosakot: after you help duonghq - ping me and we can finalize our submission with inc0 ?16:28
sbezverkinc0: thanks a lot, sorry I should also add you to the list to look more solid :)16:28
inc0please don't sbezverk16:29
sbezverkinc0: ok16:29
inc0I'm already on 4 presentations;)16:29
sbezverkI see so you will not have time to eat your kangaroo steak16:29
vhosakotrwellum: cool, will sure.16:29
inc0yeah, that would be a bummer16:29
inc0we need to find a way to make team photo with an actual Koala16:30
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krtaylorYES16:30
rwellum+1 inc016:30
spsurya_inc0: +116:30
duonghqhmm, so somebody need to bring an Koala to summit, so far so good16:30
inc0let's not traumatize poor animal and find koala that's used to have photo ops16:31
inc0what's better place in the worlds than Sydney for that16:31
sbezverkI am sure there is a zoo in Sydney16:31
sbezverkwith bunch of those16:31
sbezverkjust team outing to the zoo with photo session16:32
inc0we'll also need a healthy supply of Kolla stickers16:32
krtaylorhttps://taronga.org.au/animal/koala16:32
duonghqI'm sorry but after all other topic, I want to bring my rolling upgrade ps (again)16:32
inc0I'm fairly sure it's going to be popular16:32
duonghqinc0, ya, I need some more stickers16:32
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duonghqI already drain out mine16:33
inc0go ahead duonghq we digressed pretty far16:33
duonghqinc0,  thanks, I drafted one solution for rolling upgrade keystone here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480081/16:33
duonghqand prototype one Ansible strategy here:16:33
duonghq#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482863/16:34
duonghqah, sorry, should we change the topic?16:34
inc0no worries, I'll just end this one and move to open discussion16:34
inc0#topic open discussion16:34
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duonghqthe basic idea is due to we cannot do serial on task level, I make an pseudo serial16:35
duonghqas Ansible strategy16:35
duonghqbut I need more eyeballs on my idea16:35
inc0I'll review it16:36
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inc0but agree that would be quite a change in our core16:36
inc0so we need to be careful16:36
inc0one thing duonghq16:37
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duonghqsure, I base the strategy on linear strategy, which is default one (and we are currently running on this), only some task has tag is affected16:37
inc0I see you're including some deep ansible structures16:37
inc0make sure nothing you import is licensed with GPL v 316:37
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inc0that license is huge pain in Ansible16:38
duonghqhmm, I need reviewing the term of GPLv3, I'm not sure inherit the class is legal?16:38
inc0well, it would mena you need to license your code with GPLv316:39
inc0which is very fuzzy situation16:39
duonghqiirc, some body get this complicated situation before16:39
inc0yeah, me16:39
duonghqdo you have any suggestion on workaround this?16:40
duonghqwith your experience?16:40
inc0nope16:40
inc0;)16:40
inc0no idea16:40
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duonghqso I guess that I should figure out another way for our issue on rolling upgrade. As egonzalez90 point out, only one issue left: we cannot restart all container at the same time16:41
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inc0yeah16:41
inc0also parts of ansible are actually apache16:41
inc0so if parts you import are apache, then we're good16:41
inc0just make sure they are16:42
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inc0anything else duonghq?16:42
duonghqso, if it's in good case, we can use my solution?16:42
inc0let me review it;)16:43
duonghqya, thanks16:43
duonghqthat's all from me16:43
inc0but at least it will be just technical16:43
inc0from my side, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482217/16:43
inc0this is important16:43
inc0keep an eye, as soon as gates pass, we need to merge it16:43
duonghqroger16:44
inc0since we increased number of gates infra can't handle our tarballs traffic16:44
duonghqah, why all of our gate is non-voting now?16:44
inc0infra guys created proxy cache for that and this starts using it16:44
inc0deploy gates weren't voting ever16:44
inc0that's it from me16:45
inc0anything else?16:45
sbezverkI have an issue I need to discuss16:45
inc0go ahead16:45
sbezverkI was hopping Jeffrey4l would be around16:46
sbezverkbut it seems he did not join16:46
sbezverkit is about this PS https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481858/416:46
sbezverkI feel that I am forced into a solution which does not have technical advantages16:46
inc0sbezverk: let's try to catch him later in afternoon16:47
sbezverkother than to be consistent with kolla-ansible approach16:47
inc0I'll also review this16:47
sbezverkinc0: ok I just point out that the major difference between kolla-ansible and kolla-k8s is version agnostic for latter16:48
sbezverkhence it impose a certain rule16:48
sbezverklike charts must be version agnostic16:49
inc0right16:49
sbezverkand deal with version specific requirements in the deployment or packaging tool16:49
sbezverkwhat Jeffrey4l is forcing is to add version logic into cinder-volume and I am completely against it16:49
inc0let's catch him afternoon or discuss in ps16:50
inc0:)16:50
sbezverkinc0: ok agreed16:50
inc0anyone else?16:50
inc0guess not:)16:51
inc0thanks all!16:51
inc0#endmeeting kolla16:51
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