Wednesday, 2017-07-26

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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 26 08:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vitrage'08:00
ifat_afekHi :-)08:00
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danoffekHi Guys08:00
annarezHi08:00
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yujunzjhi08:01
nivolashey08:01
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ifat_afekToday’s agenda:08:02
ifat_afek•Pike Feature Freeze08:02
ifat_afek•Status and Updates08:02
ifat_afek•Open Discussion08:03
ifat_afek#topic Pike Feature Freeze08:03
*** openstack changes topic to "Pike Feature Freeze (Meeting topic: vitrage)"08:03
ifat_afekReminder about the release dates:08:03
ifat_afekClient libraries final releases (i.e. python-vitrageclient): July 27 — tomorrow!08:03
ifat_afekPike-3 milestone (and Feature freeze): July 2708:03
ifat_afekFinal Pike release: August 3008:03
ifat_afekTomorrow is the release date for python-vitrageclient. I plan to tag the release today or tomorrow. If someone has a change that must enter, please tell me ASAP.08:03
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yujunzWhen will stable/pike be branched?08:04
yujunzI mean for vitrage repo08:04
ifat_afekI see that we need to close the following changes: doc migration and os profiler08:04
ifat_afekFor Vitrage we can decide when, it can be anytime until the final release date08:05
ifat_afekprojects that follow the cycle-with-milestones mode, should branch soon. We work by cycle-with-intermeidary, so it’s up to us to decide08:05
ifat_afekBut the client libraries must all branch this weekend08:06
ifat_afekyujunz: Regarding the os profiler, all you have left in the python-vitrageclient is the small change of moving the help message?08:07
yujunzYes, unless we found some bug in it.08:07
yujunzNo other modification is planned on my side08:07
ifat_afekOk, thanks08:08
yujunzBTW, is there a full list of the frozen features?08:08
yujunzCan I trust https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/pike or it needs updating?08:08
ifat_afekSeems like not all of the blueprints will enter pike. aodh-support-more-alarm-types and alarm-counts-api will probably be left out08:09
ifat_afekI’ll have to ask idan_hefetz about the parralel-evaluation08:10
ifat_afekThe rest of the features should be in. support-python35 is a must, and the integration with Mistral is practically done, I just need to add tests08:11
ifat_afekIf any of you wants to introduce new specs, they should enter Queens version and be written under specs/queens/approved08:12
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ifat_afekAnything else regarding the release?08:13
ifat_afek#topic Status and Updates08:13
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ifat_afekMy updates:  I’m working on three tasks in parallel…08:14
ifat_afekDoc-migration: the OpenStack documentation team decided about a re-org of the documents. I completed the relevant changes in our projects.08:14
ifat_afek#link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html08:14
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/projects:openstack/vitrage+branch:master+topic:doc-migration08:14
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/projects:openstack/python-vitrage+branch:master+topic:doc-migration08:14
ifat_afekIn addition, I’m working on supporting the python-35 Pike goal08:14
ifat_afek#link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html08:14
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48659108:15
ifat_afekOur code already supports python35, but our tempests are still running on a python27 devstack. I’m trying to add jobs for running them on python35 devstack.08:15
ifat_afekLast task: finish the integration with Mistral. I am basically done, but need to add tests08:15
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461265/08:15
ifat_afekThat’s it for me08:15
yujunzWill py35 devstack become voting?08:16
yujunzI saw in the commit message it is non-voting for now08:16
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ifat_afekIt should be voting, but right now it’s not working. I changed it to “experimental” mode08:17
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yujunzOK.08:18
ifat_afekThat’s defined as a community-goal for Pike08:18
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ifat_afekSo it’s a must08:18
ifat_afekWhy, is there any issue you can think of?08:18
yujunzNothing, just curious on the commit message :-)08:18
ifat_afekI’m thinking about the fact that it will double our gate time… but I see no other alternative08:19
yujunzDouble?08:19
yujunzIsn't it running in parallel? py27 and py35?08:19
ifat_afekInstead of running the tempest tests on py27, we will run on both envs08:19
ifat_afekAt list I think we need to run on both envs...08:19
ifat_afekMaybe we can do one of them only at the gate and not in the first check phase08:20
ifat_afekYes, maybe it runs in parallel. I actually didn’t think about it :-)08:20
ifat_afekidan_hefetz: I see you are in. Do you expect the parallel-evaluation blueprint to end in Pike?08:22
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ifat_afek(yujunz asked about the list of blueprints that are marked for pike)08:22
idan_hefetzParallel evaluation is in progress, what’s left is to resolve an issue regarding overlapping-templates feature and add some testing.08:23
idan_hefetzI am thinking to commit the initial code (that will be disabled in configuration) in the coming days08:24
ifat_afekOk, thanks08:25
idan_hefetzAlso08:25
idan_hefetzI just stumbled upon a bug with the static datasource08:25
idan_hefetzedges created by it are deleted after some time, that is after the second get_all08:26
idan_hefetzI should open a bug in lunchpad08:27
idan_hefetzlaunchpad :)08:27
ifat_afekOk08:28
ifat_afekAnyone else wants to update?08:28
yujunzMy update: finishing up the blueprint osprofiler08:28
yujunz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/osprofiler-support08:29
ifat_afekAnd what about the implementation? I saw there are some changes in gerrit, do they cover everything or is there some more work to be done?08:29
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yujunzYes, I suppose it is all that is required for integration. But we may add more trace point when we tackle a performance issue in future08:30
ifat_afekOk, adding more trace points will be trivial, I guess08:31
yujunzI meant finish the implementation of the blueprint08:31
ifat_afekRight08:32
yujunzAnother trivial update on healthcheck api08:32
yujunz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485991/08:32
ifat_afekCan you explain the change?08:32
yujunzA conversion of the healthcheck was hardcoded08:33
yujunzA conversion of healthcheck result08:33
yujunzI think it would be better to display as it is08:33
yujunzBetter for compability08:34
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yujunzThat's all for me08:34
ifat_afekOk, I’ll have a look08:34
ifat_afekAnyone else wants to update?08:35
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ifat_afekThanks everyone, see you next week :-)08:37
yujunzBye08:37
adarybye08:37
danoffekbye08:37
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annarezbye08:37
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ifat_afek#endmeeting08:38
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"08:38
openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul 26 08:38:03 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)08:38
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alex_xu#startmeeting nova api13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 26 13:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_api'13:00
mriedemo/13:00
alex_xuwho is here today?13:00
gmann_o/13:00
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alex_xuok, let us start the meeting :)13:02
alex_xuI guess we have no more microversions can be merged in these two days?13:02
alex_xuthere still have few client side patches13:03
alex_xu#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485435/513:03
alex_xu^ start from this one13:03
alex_xumriedem: the client won't be freeze at tomorrow, right?13:03
mriedemit is13:04
gmann_27 is final release right13:04
* johnthetubaguy wonders in several months late13:04
mriedemtomorrow is final client release13:04
mriedemalex_xu: i just pushed up the test impl for that service delete test in the client patch13:04
gmann_johnthetubaguy: :) welcome back13:04
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: welcome back :)13:04
alex_xumriedem: ok, we need to speed up the review13:04
mriedemalex_xu: yeah if you can go over it again before you end your day,13:05
mriedemthen i can have sdague take a look later today again too13:05
mriedemor talk to andrey or Vek13:05
alex_xumriedem: yea, I will do that after the meeting13:05
mriedemthanks13:05
alex_xufor no more extension, I only expect this patch merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486414/213:06
alex_xuother cleanup can be done in next release13:06
alex_xumriedem: this one need +w https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485061/, then we finish the goal of no more extension in pike13:07
sdaguesorry, just wandering in13:07
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sdaguealex_xu: nice!13:08
alex_xusdague: thanks :)13:08
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alex_xuI want to remove the objects related to extension, but I still found a lot of garbage in our unittests. so I think we can continue those in next release13:09
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mriedemalex_xu: looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486416/ is the only other thing in that series that needs a +W13:10
mriedembut the series needs to be rebased in order13:10
gmann_alex_xu: yea, we do not have anything in functional tests13:10
mriedemwell maybe it'll go13:10
mriedemi'll just rebase today as needed13:11
mriedemdo we have release notes for any of this at a high level13:11
mriedemlike, how is this different from when extensions were 'disabled' in newton?13:11
mriedembecause i know some people.....that have api extensions13:11
sdaguemriedem: the plumbing for extensions is now removed13:11
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sdaguehonestly, I don't think it's release note material13:12
sdaguethis is internals that we said were not to be used a couple of releases ago, that are now deleted13:12
mriedembut if i have an extension in my forked nova code repo, don't i just now register the route like everything else in here?13:12
sdaguemriedem: we used to provide infrastructure to let you do that in the system13:12
mriedemi guess the stevedore extension stuff is gone,13:13
sdagueright13:13
mriedemso my api extension could be a separate git repo13:13
sdagueor easily maintained13:13
mriedemok, yeah, i was thinking more about people that just have them in a forked nova branch13:13
sdagueif you have forked nova code... this is basically going to be a giant amount of work for you to get through13:14
sdaguebut, that's never supposed to have been our target audience13:14
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mriedemstill seems like it should be a release note13:15
mriedemi don't expect people to keep all of the newton release notes in mind when reading the pike release notes13:15
mriedemespecially if they just installed openstack for the first time in ocata13:15
sdaguedo we release note internals changes to objects?13:15
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mriedemno, but we release note the removal of deprecation options and hook points13:15
sdagueif they installed for the first time in ocata, this doesn't impact them13:15
alex_xuwe have release note for the extension related configure options13:15
sdaguemriedem: the docs were all scrubbed of that a while ago13:16
mriedemalex_xu: this: "Deprecated config options to enable/disable extensions extensions_blacklist and extensions_whitelist have been removed. This means all API extensions are always enabled. If you modifed policy, please double check you have the correct policy settings for all APIs."13:16
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alex_xumriedem: yea13:17
sdagueit's honestly going to be more confusing to release note this because it will say "we removed the ability to side load extensions through setup.cfg, that was never documented, and was officially removed 2 releases ago."13:17
mriedemok, and there is one about discoverable policy for extensions too13:17
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mriedemthe API plugin stuff was documented in the devref before13:17
mriedemor was that just bad naming13:18
mriedemhttps://docs.openstack.org/nova/newton/api_plugins.html13:18
alex_xuyea13:18
alex_xuhttps://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/api.html13:18
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alex_xuwe still have something to update13:19
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gmann_yea those doc we can update13:19
mriedembut, on the plus side,13:20
mriedemthere is nothing in there about stevedore loading out of tree API plugins/extensions13:20
mriedemthat's what i was looking for13:20
mriedemso i think these docs are basically ok, they are just talking about how to add new APIs into the compute API13:20
mriedemthey need to be updated for the route map13:20
mriedembut that's probably about it?13:20
alex_xuyes13:21
gmann_yea.13:21
mriedemok cool13:21
sdaguemriedem: yeh, definitely should be updated with the route map13:21
mriedemlet's move on then13:21
alex_xuremove the 'extensions.V3APIExtensionBase'13:21
sdaguealex_xu: oh... interesting thing I found in running tests on the request logger13:21
gmann_should we delete this also - https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/reference/stable-api.html13:21
gmann_this talks about old extension background13:21
alex_xusdague: still have interesting thing happened?13:21
sdaguethe handler for / requests inherits from the v2.0 legacy handler13:22
sdaguewhich means that microversions are stripped13:22
sdaguewhich, might be something that we should change13:22
alex_xugmann_: I need to reread those doc, if they just say something changed in the compatible v2.0 legacy API, that will be ok13:23
mriedemgmann_: i wouldn't remove it, but i'd update it to say the ability to load API extensions via stevedore and blacklist/whitelist them is gone in pike13:23
sdagueit mostly just made writing the tests a little hard13:23
gmann_this one ? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/versions.py#L7513:23
mriedemgmann_: that doc is mostly history13:23
sdaguegmann_: yes13:23
mriedemso let's just make it current13:23
gmann_mriedem: ok, make sense13:24
alex_xusdague: you mean no microversion info in the log when request to '/'?13:25
sdaguealex_xu: correct13:26
gmann_sdague: alex_xu we have for v2.1 also - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/versionsV21.py#L2413:26
sdaguebut that also means it's not possible to do mv negotiation on that endpoint13:27
gmann_https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/routes.py#L412-L41313:27
sdaguewhich, with some of mordred's stuff on standardizing version docs, might be appropriate13:27
sdaguejust a thought13:27
sdaguewe still need this deprecation in - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486623/13:28
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alex_xuI think the python-novaclient do mv negotiation on the '/' now13:28
mriedemright, using https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=list-all-major-versions-detail#list-all-major-versions13:30
mriedemyou get back the min/max versions13:30
mriedemto determine if you can do 2.53 or just 2.2013:30
mriedemdo we need microversion negotiation for handling a 2.1 vs 2.53 request to / ?13:31
mriedemthe response is the same isn't it?13:31
alex_xumriedem: yes, it is same13:32
mriedemok, so doesn't seem like a major issue right now13:33
sdagueyeh, it was more of an fyi13:33
alex_xuok13:33
mriedemso to recap,13:33
mriedem1. novaclient 2.53 change needs review13:34
mriedem2. remaining no more api extensions patches are approved, we just need to shephard through the gate13:34
mriedem3. need to update the api plugins / stable api docs for the route map stuff13:34
mriedem4. deprecate wsgi_log_format13:34
mriedemyeah?13:34
alex_xuyea13:35
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gmann_yes.13:35
alex_xuand one bug from Kevin_Zheng https://review.openstack.org/48685013:35
alex_xuonly #1 and #2 need to be done before freeze13:36
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Kevin_Zhengo/13:36
gmann_is href so useful ? can we just have base url with version13:36
gmann_i can do 3.13:36
alex_xugmann_: that sounds like a API behaviour change13:37
alex_xugmann_: thanks13:37
gmann_alex_xu: humm13:37
alex_xuI think we can get correct url by 'req.environ['PATH_INFO']'13:37
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alex_xuKevin_Zheng: worth a try ^13:37
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gmann_alex_xu: but if we put some random string there.13:38
gmann_i tried like GET http://10.76.150.17/compute/xyz13:38
gmann_then how we know what is actual endpoint patch till 'compute' or /13:38
gmann_patch->path13:39
alex_xugmann_: I see 'PATH_INFO' will return 'xyz'13:40
gmann_yea13:41
Kevin_Zhengwe should also filter /compute13:41
Kevin_Zhengor anything was set to be the endpoint13:42
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gmann_Kevin_Zheng: /compute is not all time thing. it can be anything13:42
alex_xuyea13:42
gmann_so we left with base url13:42
sdagueWe should probably actually reach back into the keystone catalog to get the right value13:42
sdaguethat's where it's really stored13:42
Kevin_ZhengI understand, I mean, path will also include this13:42
Kevin_Zhengand it will got duplicated13:43
gmann_after that what is wrong version coming for / request is not known to be bad version or bad string13:43
sdaguethat being said, this seems like a pretty minor bug, right?13:43
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sdagueoh, I guess we're returning more garbage than I was expecting13:43
gmann_sdague: for me too, i never read href :)13:43
sdagueyeh, we do document it, I don't think anyone uses it13:43
sdaguethe real issue is the 300 multiple choice docs13:44
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sdaguethose aren't really useful13:44
alex_xuyea13:44
mriedemalways pick "C" if you don't know the answer13:45
alex_xubut I still think req.application_url + version + req.environ['PATH_INFO'] is the correct url13:45
sdagueso... I do wonder if the real fix is related to the routes13:45
sdaguebecause now that we've got all the routes in the list, we could say "oh, this thing you are trying to get looks like a thing we know about, but in a subtree"13:45
alex_xuoh...13:46
sdaguebecause right now that 300 multiple choice selector just reflects you the garbage you send in13:46
sdaguewhich might also be non existant13:46
sdagueit would be really nice if it only reflected the 300 if the guessed routes were a thing13:46
sdagueotherwise, 40413:46
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alex_xuyea, that sounds good, but we still need to fix that url when the routes were a thing :)13:47
mriedemKevin_Zheng said other services just return a 40413:49
mriedemi think i reported a bug against glance's API for this same issue, trying to get versions using /13:49
Kevin_ZhengI tried Cinder Neutron13:49
sdagueKevin_Zheng: they are using pecan, right?13:50
sdaguethat probably saves them a bit here. All the nova code to do this is really custom13:50
sdagueI don't think they do the 300 docs13:50
sdagueas it wasn't a construct you could get into pecan13:50
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/163274213:50
openstackLaunchpad bug 1632742 in Glance "/v2 route doesn't exist" [Undecided,Won't fix]13:50
mriedemnot exactly the same13:51
sdagueyeh13:51
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alex_xuhttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/doc/api_samples/servers/server-get-resp.json#L4313:53
alex_xu^ I guess that is why we return 30013:53
alex_xufor the bookmark url13:53
sdagueyeh13:54
sdaguewhich has lots of issues with it13:54
sdaguebut, regardless, if we could test the route values before we return them in our route list13:54
sdaguethen 404 if they don't exist13:54
sdaguethat would probably be best13:54
alex_xuok, I'm ok that without microversion13:55
gmann_sdague: test route list means? with some checking in our routing mapping13:56
gmann_route value13:57
alex_xu3 mins left13:57
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alex_xuI think that should be another patch13:57
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alex_xuone fix the url, another one checks the routes13:58
gmann_k13:59
gmann_1 min more13:59
alex_xuok, let us move back to nova change or to the patch :)13:59
alex_xuthanks all13:59
alex_xu#endmeeting14:00
gmann_thanks alex_xu14:00
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hidekazu#startmeeting watcher14:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 26 14:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hidekazu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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hidekazuhello14:01
suzhengweihi14:02
lakerzhou1Hi14:02
hidekazutoday, alexchadin can not hold the meeting, so i hold the meeting.14:02
hidekazuHere is our agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#07.2F26.2F201714:02
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hidekazu#topic Announcements14:03
Yumeng__Hi14:03
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hidekazuhi Yumeng__14:03
hidekazuWe don't merge any specs until stable/pike branch is created.14:03
hidekazuOpenStack is on release week, Watcher will get Pike-3 milestone this Thursday.14:04
hidekazuWe have implemented all doc migration directions #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking14:05
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suzhengweiremind, something maybe need to do for watcher-dahboard before release.14:05
hidekazusuzhengwei: what is something?14:06
suzhengweisupport cron, watcher-dashboard need support this spec14:06
hidekazusuzhenwei: did you tested watcher-dashboard?14:06
suzhengweiNew cron type for audit interval14:07
hidekazusuzhengwei: yes i know, do we need to something for watcher-dahboard?14:07
suzhengweiIt is an api change.14:08
suzhengweiMaybe we can wait for chadin's comment14:09
hidekazusuzhenwei: we can test after pike-3 released.14:09
suzhengweiok14:09
hidekazunext, Pike release notes are available to review. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486146/14:10
hidekazuthis is actively reviewed.14:11
hidekazuany other announcements?14:11
hidekazulets go on.14:12
hidekazu#topic Review Action Items14:12
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suzhengweihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/479257/ this is ok.can it be release for Pike?14:12
hidekazusuzhenwei: this is not registered bug nor spec.. please discuss with alexchadin.14:14
suzhengweiok. Let's go on.14:14
hidekazucluster-maintenance-strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464602/14:14
hidekazuanyone wants to review?14:15
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hidekazuadisky__ ?14:16
hidekazuok, i will review.14:17
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hidekazu#action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464602/14:17
suzhengweiyou have reviewed it.14:17
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hidekazusuzhenwei: sorry i did not check your answer. i will check.14:18
hidekazuadd name for audit needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474865/14:19
hidekazuoh, this was w+1.14:19
hidekazugo next.14:19
hidekazuAdd notfications for actionplan cancel needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482902/14:20
hidekazusuzhenwei: can you review?14:21
suzhengweiok14:21
hidekazu#action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482902/14:21
hidekazuextend-node-status needs to be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/14:22
hidekazusuzhenwei: please update.14:22
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hidekazu#action suzhenwei update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/14:23
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suzhengweii will asap14:23
hidekazuSpec for multi-datasource support needs to be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46710214:23
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hidekazu#action lakerzhou1 update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46710214:25
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hidekazuWatcher14:25
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hidekazuSaving Energy Strategy needs review. Please review it asap, this is a pike-3 feature.14:26
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hidekazu#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476767/14:26
hidekazuYumeng__ here?14:27
suzhengweinot here14:27
lakerzhou1for multi-datasource support, I already updated the spec in weekend14:27
hidekazulakerzhou1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467102/4/specs/pike/approved/watcher-multi-datasource.rst@4414:28
hidekazulakerzhou1: sorry i was wrong.14:29
hidekazuanyone can review multi-datasource support?14:30
lakerzhou1Hidekazu, no problem14:30
suzhengweii will14:30
hidekazusuzhengwei: thanks!14:30
hidekazu#action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46710214:30
hidekazunext, Add volume migrate action needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477204/14:31
hidekazuno core reviewer seems to be here except me :(14:32
* aspiers is lurking but not core ...14:33
lakerzhou1thanks hidekazu and suzhengwei, I hope to close the spec asap.14:34
hidekazui will contact cores.14:34
hidekazunext14:34
hidekazudynamic action description needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484110/14:34
hidekazu#action licanwei update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484110/14:35
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hidekazuValidation of states for actionplan delete needs new PS # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486007/14:35
hidekazui discussed with adisky__ . this will be abandoned.14:36
hidekazurefactor action change_nova_service_state needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474871/14:36
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hidekazulakerzhou1: could you review?14:37
lakerzhou1ok, I will do it14:38
hidekazuthanks!14:38
hidekazu#action lakerzhou1 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474871/14:39
hidekazuAdded Actuator Strategy needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425110/14:39
suzhengweiI want study it, please add me14:40
hidekazusuzhenwei: thank you.14:40
hidekazu#action suzhenwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425110/14:40
hidekazuactually this is useful strategy.14:41
hidekazubunch of adding naming to audit needs to be reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-name-for-audit14:41
hidekazui reviewed spec, so i will review14:42
hidekazu#action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-name-for-audit14:42
hidekazuWatcher CLI & Dashboard14:42
hidekazuFix Audit Update functional test needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485488/14:43
hidekazuwho wants to review?14:44
suzhengweiI will14:45
hidekazu#action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485488/14:45
suzhengweiIt looks like a small change. can't take too much time.14:46
hidekazuthat's all.14:46
suzhengweiCould I add this commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483828/. It is a small and simple change.14:47
suzhengweiNeed new reviewer14:47
hidekazuah, memory.resident?14:48
suzhengweiyes,memory.usege to memory.resident14:48
hidekazu#action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483828/14:48
hidekazuother topic?14:49
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hidekazuok, that's all, bye14:50
suzhengweibye14:50
hidekazu#endmeeting14:50
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shintarois serverascode here? do we have a meeting today?15:02
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shintaroguess not15:05
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inc0#startmeeting kolla15:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 26 15:59:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:59
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inc0#topic w00t for Kolla15:59
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spsurya_w00t16:00
egonzalezw00t o/16:00
zhubingbingw00t16:00
inc0how's everyone?16:00
zhubingbingo/16:00
duonghqwoot o/16:00
duonghqevening16:00
jascott1w00t16:00
rwellumwoot16:00
coolsvapo/16:01
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Jeffrey4lo/16:01
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britthouser0/16:02
inc0let's give few more minutes16:02
duonghqhi britthouser16:02
britthouserHey duonghq !16:02
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sdakeo/16:04
inc0let's move to announcements16:04
inc0#topic announcements16:04
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sbezverko/16:04
inc0This week is P-3 release week16:04
inc0since we're tailing, we have 2 more weeks before P-316:04
inc0that being said, projects will get into feature freeze so we should start heavy upgrade testing16:05
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vhosakoto/ (sorry I'm late)16:05
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duonghqhi Vikram16:05
vhosakothi dosaboy16:05
inc0so please, everyone, just run at least one upgrade O->P in scenario of your choice16:05
vhosakothi duonghq16:05
vhosakotsorry duonghq  typo16:05
spsurya_inc0: roger16:06
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inc0any community announcements?16:06
Jeffrey4li have one.16:06
britthouservoting has opened up16:06
inc0go ahead16:06
inc0for sessions britthouser? right16:06
Jeffrey4lopenstack days china is hold in recently two days.16:06
inc0how did kolla keynote go?:)16:07
Jeffrey4lthere is a keystone about kolla upgrade and power failure recovery keystone.16:07
Jeffrey4lit is successful ;)16:07
inc0great!16:07
sdakeJeffrey4l do you mean keynote presentation?16:07
britthouserawesome news Jeffrey4l !16:08
Jeffrey4lsdake, yep.16:08
sdakecool16:08
egonzalezyay!16:08
inc0sdake: upgrade on stage during keynote16:08
sdakemay I ask who presented it?16:08
Jeffrey4lcheck the pic http://imgur.com/a/TQOKx16:09
inc0lol16:09
Jeffrey4lsdake, intel guys. inc0 should know the details.16:09
sdakeJeffrey4l tx16:09
inc0not that much, I learned about this keynote by accident;)16:09
inc0but whatever, I'm glad it went well16:10
Jeffrey4lthat's all from me.16:10
inc0anyone else?16:10
Jeffrey4l( just post another pic http://imgur.com/a/22UTW )16:11
inc0ok, let's move on to agenda16:12
inc0#topic PTG planning16:12
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inc0#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-planning16:12
inc0so here's how I'd like to do it, another experiment:)16:13
inc0let's start by iterating over goals we want to achieve during Q16:13
inc0and then break this down to sessions16:13
inc0I don't expect us to finalize it today, we have time till PTG itself really16:13
spsurya_inc0: will we need 1 full day for kk8s ?16:14
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inc0that depends on goals16:15
inc0We'll need time for TripleO discussions, but I'd love to have at least scope of cooperation decided beforehand16:16
inc0EmilienM: ^ let's discuss about that over next month please16:16
inc0let's figure out what we want to do together and use PTG for technical planning rather than discussions "what to share what to not" ok?16:17
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inc0Jeffrey4l: did you get any feedback about Kolla from OpenStack days?16:20
Jeffrey4llots of operator are using it.16:20
inc0that's great to hear, I'd be interested to know what are painpoints and problems they have16:21
inc0so we can fix it16:21
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Jeffrey4li heard nothing about the painpoints. i guess kolla is easy to use now. the key point is that openstack is still very complicated ;)16:22
inc0yeah not much we can do about that16:22
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spsurya_sdake: may i add one in kk8s section ?16:24
sdakeJeffrey4l constant pain point is documentaiton16:24
sdakeJeffrey4l that is kolla's greatest weakness16:24
sdakespsurya_ please do - I feel all alone typing :)16:24
Jeffrey4lah, yep.16:24
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spsurya_rwellum: FYI just added in eatherpad16:26
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spsurya_please check16:26
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rwellumlgtm spsurya_ it's something I am working on right now too16:27
spsurya_rwellum: great!! thanks16:27
spsurya_i know that is why i added16:28
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spsurya_:)16:28
inc0it seems we have much more to talk about kolla-k8s than kolla-ansible16:28
inc0is kolla-ansible done?;)16:28
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spsurya_inc0: lol, i was about to ask same ques to you ;)16:29
spsurya_need more lines there16:29
spsurya_i guess16:29
inc0no, we don't:) I don't want to push discussion just for the sake of it16:31
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inc0if we need 2 days of kolla-k8s and 1 day for rest is enough, that's good16:31
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duonghqinc0, can I have some mins at end of the meeting for my 2 topics?16:34
inc0sure16:35
inc0let's cut this off at :4016:35
duonghqthanks16:35
inc0and do couple more planning sessions over next week16:35
inc0s16:35
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duonghqnice16:35
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inc0ok, let's leave it for few days16:37
inc0everyone keep this etherpad around, feel free to add to it over time16:38
inc0we'll review it every week until PTG16:38
inc0Our goal is to have, by the time of PTG, set list of goals and sessions16:39
spsurya_rwellum: we will discuss about distributed ceph part16:39
rwellumspsurya_: +116:39
inc0#topic Ansible license16:39
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inc0duonghq: go ahead16:39
duonghqthank inc016:39
duonghqas we discussed couple weeks ago16:40
duonghqI found that we have action_plugins inherit ansible class exactly same way as I use in strategy plugins16:40
duonghqso can you use it?16:40
inc0duonghq: so thing about Ansible is that part of it is GPLv3 and another part is not16:41
Jeffrey4lshouldn't inherit be OK.16:41
duonghqyes, and the part used in action_plugins is GPLv316:41
inc0uhh16:41
sdakeso here is my take16:42
sdakenone of us (that I know of)16:42
sdakeare attorneys16:42
jascott1i am! no wait...16:42
sdakeattorneys train for years and years16:42
britthouserLOL16:42
sdakejust like engineers train for years and years16:42
vhosakotI thought inheriting native Ansible classes is not a violation of the license.16:42
sdakeit takes a long ass time to be a good software engineer16:42
duonghq#link https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/plugins/action/__init__.py16:43
sdakethese sorts of questions are best handled by the experts in the field - that is the people with legal certification16:43
jascott1is there an OS attorney we can bounce off of?16:44
rwellumWhat about this: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/licensing.html16:44
sdakeduonghq i have heard time and time again - every company has a different interpretation o the GPLv316:44
rwellumSeems pretty clear to me.16:44
vhosakotduonghq: so, "class ActionBase" in https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/plugins/action/__init__.py#L52 is GPLv3 per inheritance?16:44
sdakeso bouncing off an OS lawyer would just provide an OS reference point16:44
rwellum"Licenses considered incompatible with this requirement include GPLv2, GPLv3, and AGPL."16:44
Jeffrey4lopenstack has this http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-discuss16:44
duonghqvhosakot, yes, if I understand correctly16:44
Jeffrey4larchived mail list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/16:45
sdakeultimately whoever ships kolla is responsible for ensuring they are in complaince with the laws in their country/state/regoin/etc16:45
vhosakotduonghq: yeah, that part is tricky :)16:45
duonghqvhosakot, yes, and somebody did the trick with action_plugins16:45
duonghqso I think we can repeat it again16:45
Jeffrey4lso, talk with them will be a better solution.16:46
vhosakotI won't be surprised there is annother big-tent project (using custom Ansible libs) that does the same thing... don't think kolla is the only proj doing custom Ansible libs.16:46
sdakerwellum sadly that is a reductive statement - the reality is far more complex then my non-lawyer brain can handle16:46
britthouserDo we know that they "did the trick" or just slipped it by and hasn't been noticed until now?16:46
rwellumsdake: just quoting the openstack license page I linked above16:46
sdakerwellum right - what I mean there is that page is not worth tthe bits its written on :)16:46
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rwellumsdake: ack16:47
vhosakotwell, AFAIK GPLv3 has nice rules around distribution, not so much about inheritance :)16:47
rwellumWell I used that page to get permission from my company to commit upstream so now I am worried...16:47
vhosakotbritthouser: well, looks like we haven't noticed it until now.  duonghq how did you notice it in the first place? :)16:48
sdakerwellum we dont use any of the stuff duonghq is talking about in kolla-kubernetes16:48
* inc0 hates gplv316:48
vhosakottox -e check_ansible_violations ?16:48
egonzalezinc0, isnt this same case? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106761.html16:49
inc0sdake: that's a negative. We use merge configs there16:49
inc0egonzalez: kinda is16:49
inc0never got concrete response16:49
vhosakotthis too I think - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095489.html16:49
vhosakotfor all projects16:49
vhosakotwell, inheritance is different than "reuse" ;)16:50
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duonghqthat is the point, imo16:50
vhosakotduonghq: how did you find about it in the first place? :)16:50
inc0derivitive is hey word there16:50
sdakefellas - your guys are not attorneys16:51
vhosakotright16:51
sdakeyet your playing oones on irc :)16:51
vhosakotlol16:51
inc0right, we have no idea;)16:51
inc0and nobody seems to have16:51
sdakeif you really want to ask the question, ask someone that can answer it16:51
duonghqvhosakot, sorry but I don't get your idea16:51
vhosakotwe have no suits and do not charge high fee ;)16:51
britthouserOpenStack has a legal affairs committee16:51
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inc0duonghq: mind sending mail to openstack-legal?16:52
britthouserNissa Strottman is the chair16:52
vhosakotduonghq: I meant, how/where did you learn that inheriting a native class in our custom action_plugin is a violation?16:52
sdakevhosakot he doesn't know if it i16:52
sdakes16:52
inc0vhosakot: I made this concern16:52
sdakevhosakot that is his question16:52
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vhosakotah got it.. cool16:52
duonghqvhosakot,  I just look around in our project,16:53
sdakeand nobody has provided a conrete answer - because we are not attorneys16:53
duonghqfinding something same as my plugin16:53
britthouserlegal-discuss@lists.openstack.org16:53
duonghqinc0, sure, I'll try16:53
duonghqso, is there any chance the feature is merged in this cycle?16:54
sdakeinc0 i need a couple minutes to conclude plz16:54
inc0duonghq: we still have 2 weeks, let's try16:54
inc0duonghq: mind if I give this time to sdake?16:55
duonghqinc0, thanks, so the 1st thing I should do is ask legal team?16:55
inc0yeah16:55
duonghqinc0, only one short sentences16:55
inc0sure, don't wait for me;)16:56
duonghqI hope that this serie https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398682/ can be merged so the ansible-become bp is completed in this cycle16:56
duonghqthat's all from me16:56
inc0sdake:16:56
sdakei should have mentioned this in the announcements16:56
sdakebut slipped my mind16:56
sdakethere are analytics for all kolla deliverables16:57
sdakethat show download count16:57
sdakeI am working on a way to provide these generally to other folks that want them16:57
sdakein june for exaple iirc there were approximately 5,000 downloads16:58
inc0that's a good number16:58
inc0especially if you add github and other sources of download16:58
inc0it'd be cool to see the trend16:59
sdakeyup16:59
sdakeworking on it16:59
inc0thanks!16:59
inc0ok we're at the time16:59
inc0thank you all for coming!16:59
inc0#endmeeting kolla16:59
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