Thursday, 2017-07-27

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rosmaita#startmeeting glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 27 14:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:00
rosmaita#topic roll call14:00
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rosmaitahmmm14:01
rosmaitacould be a short meeting14:01
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jokke_o/14:01
rosmaitabut we do have quite a bit on the agenda14:01
rosmaita\o14:01
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abhishekko/14:02
rosmaita\o14:02
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jokke_hey abhishekk14:02
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abhishekkhey jokke_14:02
rosmaitai'm going to wait until :04 and then start14:02
jokke_sure ... I pick up that coffee I put coming14:03
smcginniso/14:03
rosmaita\o14:03
rosmaitaok, let's get started14:05
rosmaitahello everyone14:05
abhishekkhi14:06
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:06
rosmaitathere's the agenda14:06
rosmaita#topic updates14:06
*** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)"14:06
rosmaita#topic updates - glance P-3 release14:06
*** openstack changes topic to "updates - glance P-3 release (Meeting topic: glance)"14:06
rosmaitai think we're ok on this ... the release note about the wsgi containerization is in the gate14:07
rosmaitasoon as that's merged, jokke_ will put in the tag request14:07
rosmaita#topic updates - community goals14:07
*** openstack changes topic to "updates - community goals (Meeting topic: glance)"14:07
rosmaitai'm supposed to report on the community goal progress this week14:07
rosmaitamtreinish has already patched the appropriate upstream doc saying the wsgi goal is complete14:08
jokke_ \\o \o/ o// o/714:08
rosmaitai will be looking at where we stand on the python-35 goal today and tomorrow14:08
smcginnisrosmaita: I forget, do we have running py3 tempest jobs14:08
abhishekki think 2 tests are skipped as of now14:09
rosmaitaright, glance skips 2 functional tests14:09
rosmaitabut i'm not sure we have py-35 gating on all of {glance, glance_store, python-glanceclient}14:09
rosmaitai need to look more closely14:10
abhishekkok14:10
rosmaitabut, a lot of projects have not updated their goals yet14:10
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rosmaitaso i'm not too worried about being a little late on this14:10
smcginnisI have a feeling there will be a few that aren't able to complete the goal until Queens.14:11
rosmaitabut i may wait to send out the priorities list until tomorrow afternoon14:11
rosmaitasmcginnis: my impression, too14:11
smcginnisIt's unfortunate, but not the end of the world. At least the work is being done.14:11
rosmaitathat way, i can get some items on it about py35 if they look reasonable14:11
rosmaitasmcginnis: my thoughts exactly14:11
jokke_specially the py3 is quite a big task for some projects14:11
rosmaitaok, so that's all about the community goals for now14:12
rosmaita#topic updates - glanceclient14:12
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rosmaitaok, as jokke_ put on the agenda, there a few patches outstanding:14:12
rosmaita    https://review.openstack.org/486630 <- image import support      https://review.openstack.org/487269 <- pike release note  (content depends on the above)      https://review.openstack.org/486824 <- one line doc change (must go in)14:12
rosmaitathanks to everyone who reviewed the other patches that were on the etherpad14:13
mtreinishsmcginnis: I flipped the switch for all the integrated gate tempest jobs to make py35 voting right before the atl ptg14:13
mtreinishso glance is covered by that14:13
smcginnismtreinish: Awesome, thanks.14:13
rosmaitamtreinish: thanks for that info!14:13
mtreinishthe functional tests in tree still need coverage though14:13
jokke_mtreinish: oh, cool! That sounds great14:13
mtreinishas does anything outside the basic tempest-dsvm job14:14
rosmaitamtreinish: also, thanks again for your work on the wsgi goal14:14
mtreinishso like glance_store, etc14:14
rosmaitamtreinish: yes, that's what i noticed as well14:14
mtreinishrosmaita: sure, np. It was far more interesting than I originally expected14:14
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mtreinishheh, I had to brush off my c14:14
rosmaita:)14:14
smcginnis"interesting"14:14
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jokke_:D14:15
rosmaita"interesting and exciting"14:15
rosmaita#action rosmaita get good list of what exactly is left for all 3 projects for py35 goal14:15
* jokke_ is sure mtreinish will think twice before volunteering taking on community goal for glance again :D14:15
rosmaitaok, back to the client ... here are my thoughts, then let's discuss14:15
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rosmaitaabout the glanceclient changes in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486630/14:16
rosmaitadue to the people-power constraints we've been working under, the test coverage isn't there14:16
rosmaitathe code basically looks good14:16
rosmaitabut as we add tests, we're going to find *something* (hopefully minor)14:16
rosmaitaso the situation is this:14:16
rosmaita1 - we release the pike glanceclient without image import support - this impacts anyone who wants to ship pike with client support for image import14:16
rosmaita2 - we release, add more tests, and backport any bug fixes14:16
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rosmaitait seems to me that there's an impact on users either way, just depends which one we like better14:17
abhishekk2 sounds good14:17
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rosmaitai am inclining to #2 because of the feature freeze14:17
smcginnisMy take is - it's easy to release new client's at any point, so option 2 might be better to at least have something out there.14:17
rosmaitaand we want people to use this functionality14:18
rosmaitalooks like i am preaching to the choir!14:18
smcginnis:)14:18
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jokke_my very biased opinion is #214:18
rosmaitai thought i would have to try to sell this14:18
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jokke_and knowing that this will be tight I tried to make all the client changes as isolated from our normal workflow as possible14:18
rosmaitayes, good point14:19
jokke_os only thing I actually reused was the upload14:19
rosmaitaplus, image import is off by default in pike14:19
jokke_so the changes even totally broken should not affect the client usage as it works today14:19
rosmaitaright, all current tests are passing14:19
smcginnisjokke_: +114:20
rosmaitaso it doesnt' look like this will cause any regressions14:20
rosmaitaok, i updated the releasenote just before the meeting to explain the EXPERIMENTAL command that's being added14:20
rosmaitai'd kind of like the help text for that command to be a bit more informative about the command being renamed or removed14:21
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rosmaitabecause i don't think end users read release notes14:21
rosmaitaand they may not realize what EXPERIMENTAL means14:21
abhishekk+114:22
rosmaitain fact, to keep it short, maybe the help should just say "EXPERIMENTAL: this command may be renamed or removed."14:22
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rosmaitaand not say what it does, interested people can look it up14:23
jokke_rosmaita: IMHO they will learn if common sense is not a red flag enough ... but again I think I might be the one overestimating the users here14:23
rosmaitayeah, i don't know14:24
smcginnisrosmaita: Probably wouldn't hurt to throw "EXPERIMENTAL" in there.14:24
rosmaitai guess we need to do a documentation update to make this clear?14:24
smcginnisShould be able to get that updated and still released before the deadline.14:24
jokke_smcginnis: it is there14:24
smcginnisjokke_: Hah, oops. Guess I should look first. :)14:25
rosmaitasmcginnis: it is, just not the "may be renamed or replaced" part14:25
smcginnisI tend to lean toward what jokke_ is saying then, that that should be a red flag enough. Either way though. We still have a little time.14:25
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rosmaitai see that kairat just added a comment, maybe we should log a warning when the command is used?14:26
jokke_"""EXPERIMENTAL: Create a new image via image import.""" that's the current14:26
jokke_rosmaita: this is shell client, so no14:27
rosmaitaoh, right14:27
smcginnisYeah, not sure we want to dump warnings in the shell.14:27
rosmaitaok, i just realized we don't have any doc changes on this patch14:28
jokke_darn ... I knew I forgot something14:28
rosmaitai will look real quick after the meeting and find an appropriate place to explain about the EXPERIMENTAL command14:28
rosmaitathat way, if someone says , what does "experimental" mean, there's a place to find out14:29
rosmaitaok, problem solved14:29
rosmaitalet's leave the help text the way it is and add a little to doc14:29
smcginnis+114:29
jokke_rosmaita: sounds good to me14:30
rosmaitaok, i will +2 when the patch passes tests14:30
rosmaita#action rosmaita - update glanceclient doc about image import14:30
rosmaitaok, that will give us another patch to get in before release14:30
rosmaitaall right, all cores, please review these14:31
rosmaitajokke_: you can review the doc change when i get it up, and we can ninja the doc change14:32
rosmaitaok, i think that's everything?14:32
jokke_rosmaita: yeah14:32
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rosmaitawhen i say, please review, i do mean right away!14:32
jokke_oh ... thanks all for the efforts on the client14:32
rosmaitawe need to get the release cut today14:32
jokke_we got lots of bugfixes and few good optimizations in even this has been quiet cycle14:33
rosmaitaabhishekk: do you feel ok +2ing the import client changes after tests pass?14:33
abhishekkrosmaita: let me have a look once again before that14:33
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rosmaitasure14:33
rosmaitai just want to make sure we have sufficient people actively looking14:34
rosmaitaok that's all for updates14:34
rosmaita#topic FFE requests14:34
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rosmaitathis week is feature freeze14:34
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120205.html14:34
rosmaitaand with feature freeze, comes feature freeze exceptions14:35
rosmaitajokke_ has requested a FFE for "copy-from" as part of image import refactoring14:35
rosmaitai am inclined to say yes, as that is what we need to finally kill off v114:35
rosmaitato be clear, granting a FFE doesn't mean the change will definitely get in14:36
abhishekkhow many hours are remaining to cut the release14:36
rosmaitawill still require tests, etc14:36
rosmaitabut it means that we as a community are committed to reviewing, etc14:36
jokke_So that should be fairly trivial to do. It's basically combination of the old image import task and the new flow we're doing. I have couple of small things to do to finetune it but I'm confident I will have the patch up for review tomorrow14:36
jokke_abhishekk: so client release and P-3 needs to happen today14:36
rosmaitai think P-3 is ready (FFE is a separate deal)14:37
abhishekkmeans maximum 6 hours?14:37
abhishekkfrom now?14:37
smcginnis2 weeks yet before RC, so should hopefully be OK for the FFE.14:38
abhishekksorry, I am in totally different timezone14:38
smcginnisabhishekk: Yeah, probably ~6 hours to be fair to the release team for a new client release.14:38
abhishekkthanks14:39
jokke_rosmaita: P-3 needs to have that rel note merged and then tagged14:39
rosmaitaok, we're just waiting on the relnote to merge14:40
jokke_yup14:40
rosmaitaok, i will send out to the ML saying that a FFE was granted for adding copy-from14:41
rosmaita#action rosmaita FFE announcement14:42
rosmaitai think we're supposed to keep the community informed14:42
rosmaitaand that was the only FFE request i'm aware of?14:42
rosmaitaso i think we are done with this topic14:42
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:42
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jokke_that's all I know of14:42
rosmaitahah, some actual open discussion time today!14:43
rosmaitasomeone put PTG on the agenda14:43
jokke_so I just wanted to check how PTG looks for people14:43
jokke_I'm confirmed now, booked my tickes and hotel yesterday14:43
rosmaitai believe i will be able to attend, but have not booked tickets or anything yet14:43
jokke_so I will definitely be there :D14:43
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abhishekkI have registered today14:44
rosmaitaoh, cool14:44
jokke_cool14:44
abhishekkplane and hotel booking is pending14:44
smcginnisI'm all set, but I think I mentioned on the etherpad I will probably have conflicts the entire time.14:44
jokke_so lets start seriously planning our sessions for PTG then now when we have at least some level participation :D14:44
smcginnisBut would love to have a beer with folks if we can fit it in.14:44
mtreinishI'll be there14:44
rosmaitai will buy a round or two of beers14:45
rosmaitawe can all use it14:45
jokke_:)14:45
smcginnisrosmaita: Well, then I'll definitely be there. :P14:45
rosmaitaplus, i start working again on monday14:45
smcginnisWoot!14:46
abhishekk:)14:46
jokke_so how about we start collecting any known events for evenings and then we can pick up the least colliding one for Glance night out :D14:46
rosmaitawe should have some good team diversity, i will be working for verizon14:46
abhishekkso 2 rounds separate for that14:46
rosmaitahopefully we can get our team:diverse-affiliaton tag back in pike14:47
rosmaitaok, put me down for 4 rounds14:47
smcginnisrosmaita: Are we far off from having that now?14:47
rosmaitanot necessarily all on the same night14:47
rosmaitasmcginnis: i have not really checked, i think we should be good, though14:47
jokke_I think the current state is that we should have it again14:47
rosmaitathe rackspace and intel commits/reviews/etc were really early in the cycle14:47
jokke_when it gets next time asserted14:48
rosmaitahere's a quick poll: who works for who?14:48
rosmaitarosmaita - verizon14:48
jokke_I proposed patches to remove the tags as I wasn't sure if the assert happens before or after release and based on the official docs we do not have it14:48
smcginnissmcginnis - Huawei14:48
abhishekkabhishekk - NTT Data14:48
jokke_jokke_ - Red Hat14:48
jokke_Pranali - Red hat14:49
jokke_flaper87 - Red Hat14:49
smcginnisSeems diverse to me. I can run the script later and check.14:49
jokke_croelandt - Red Hat14:49
jokke_:)14:49
abhishekk:D14:49
rosmaitalot of RH there!14:49
abhishekkpranali was earlier working with me in NTT :)14:50
rosmaitaok, well, as jokke_ said, please start thinking of topics for the PTG14:50
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-queens-ptg-planning14:50
rosmaitaanything else?14:50
rosmaita(i have some glanceclient docs to go write)14:51
jokke_I think we're pretty good14:51
jokke_oh14:51
jokke_one more thing14:51
jokke_I'll propose the requirements change for store and client once the client gets tagged14:51
jokke_i forgot the store last week14:52
rosmaitathanks for being on top of that, it slipped my mind14:52
smcginnisDon't forget stable branching in the deliverable/pike yaml.14:52
jokke_smcginnis: yeap, thanks14:53
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abhishekkgood to go?14:54
jokke_yeah we should be good to wrap up14:54
abhishekkall the best :)14:54
rosmaitaok great, thanks everyone14:55
abhishekkthank you14:55
jokke_Thanks all!14:55
smcginnisThanks!14:55
rosmaitabtw, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486630/8 just passed tests14:55
abhishekkyes14:55
rosmaitaok, we'll have an exciting rest of the day getting the glanceclient out the door14:55
rosmaita#endmeeting14:56
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sjmc7#startmeeting openstack search15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 27 15:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
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lei-zho/15:01
sjmc7morning all15:01
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sjmc7give it a minute, see if anyone else appears15:03
lei-zhtime flies fast, pike 3 deadline is coming15:03
sjmc7today, in fact!15:04
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sjmc7#topic pike-315:05
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sjmc7i need to do tags today for the UI and API15:06
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lei-zhbusy day I think15:07
sjmc7so i guess we can go through the review list and see what we can push through15:07
sjmc7busy for the release team :)15:07
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sjmc7i’m gonna grant a FFE for the nova notifications15:08
TravTgrant away15:09
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sjmc7it is thus done15:09
sjmc7i don’t see any other really critical patches, but i am going to make sure everything still works on current master (UI, API, CLI)15:09
sjmc7the UI broke last week when horizon upgraded to django 1.10, for instance15:09
TravTyeah, the github repo has a version compatibility chart15:11
TravTi can put a patch to update that15:11
TravThttps://github.com/openstack/searchlight-ui#horizon-version-compatibility15:11
sjmc7i guess i’ll approve the requirements and translation auto-reviews15:11
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TravTbasically we can expect horizon to break plugins every release15:11
sjmc7i don’t see anything else that would block p-315:11
sjmc7:)15:11
sjmc7keeps people on their toes15:11
yingjunthis one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480057/15:14
yingjunneed o15:15
yingjuna final +215:16
sjmc7that looks sensible15:16
sjmc7done!15:16
robcresswellsjmc7: Do you know what it was that broke with the Django upgrade?15:17
sjmc7urlpatterns15:17
sjmc7which in fairness was deprecated about 2 years ago15:17
robcresswellOkay, some others broke on that too15:18
robcresswellNot much Horizon can do about that, its a django deprecation from 1.8 :)15:18
TravTwe'll just continue to blame robcresswell for it, though.15:18
TravT;)15:18
robcresswellHaha15:19
sjmc7yeah, wasn’t blaming you for that15:19
robcresswellThat's the way of things :)15:19
robcresswellCool cool, just checking what it was that broke, whether I'd done something stupid15:19
robcresswellLooks like it wasn't me (this time)15:19
TravThehe15:20
sjmc7nope! the previous time might’ve been15:20
TravTyeah, it probably was rob's fault15:20
TravT:D15:20
sjmc7ok, so i’ll tag things this afternoon and we’ll try and get the nova notification patch in for RC115:21
TravTthanks, sjmc715:21
robcresswell:p15:22
sjmc7#topic PTL nominations15:22
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sjmc7the nominations start beginning of this week15:22
sjmc7er, next week15:22
sjmc7so if anyone wants to run, please do15:22
sjmc7i’m not sure if i’ll be able to continue with it given my time commitments15:23
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sjmc7it’s also been a year i guess? or close to it15:25
sjmc7time flies15:25
lei-zhsjmc7, hope you could15:25
sjmc7problem is there’s almost zero chance of me getting to the summits or PTG15:26
TravTi wonder what that is like for other projects these days15:27
sjmc7i’m guessing it’s quieter, lot of companies have reduced their investment. we’ll see. i’m definitely planning to stay involved15:28
sjmc7it’s quite interesting to see how the releases happen, too. not a massive time commitment15:28
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lei-zhneed use cases to attract new blood to get in...15:30
sjmc7yeah, i know. the horizon/zaqar integration could be interesting15:30
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TravTyeah, that is pretty cool15:30
kyssezaqar?15:31
sjmc7yeah, there’s been some POC work publishing events to zaqar for consumption by horizon15:31
lei-zhyeah, not sure if zaqar team could merge service queu in this release, they also face lack of reviewers15:32
lei-zhbut I'm willing to help if there are needs for demo15:32
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sjmc7at this point it’s unlikely but you nvever know15:32
sjmc7#topic open discussion15:33
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sjmc7anything else people wanted to bring up?15:34
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sjmc7i shall give it a few minutes in case anyone is shy15:36
sjmc7or on dialup from the space station15:36
lei-zhnothing from me15:37
sjmc7ok. thanks all!15:40
sjmc7#endmeeting15:40
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spotz#startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting16:01
spotz#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting16:01
spotz#topic Roll Call16:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 27 16:01:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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andymccro/16:02
andymccryay :D16:02
odyssey4meo/16:02
hwoarango/16:02
spotzThat's better16:03
spotzLooks like today is the evrardjp and andymccr show:)16:03
evrardjpo/16:03
cloudnullo/16:03
spotz#topic Previous Items16:04
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spotz#topic evrardjp opinion bugs according to schedule16:04
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andymccryay evrardjp is here :P16:04
admin0\o16:04
* mhayden woots16:04
evrardjpyeah, so I looked into that, and we don't have this schedule written into our docs16:04
spotzevrardjp: Bad docs! Bad bad!16:04
evrardjpI will add this into our docs, because right now I am following nova practices for triage16:05
evrardjpspotz: ahah16:05
spotzSo I'll keep that as an action16:05
evrardjpwhen it will be accepted, I fill phase out these bugs according to our approved schedule16:05
evrardjpyou can transform that into write docs for phasing out bugs as opinions :)16:06
spotz#action evrardjp working on doc for a phasing out bugs as opinion schedule16:07
spotz:)16:07
spotz#topic evrardjp schedule a hack day to go through old reviews and possibly bugs16:07
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andymccroh man evrardjp is busy again! :P16:07
spotzThis has been on the list if no one has seen it16:07
evrardjpso, for that there was a mail on the list indeed.16:07
evrardjpThere was a few votes already.16:07
evrardjphere is the link16:08
evrardjp#link https://framadate.org/osa-pike-bug-smash16:08
evrardjpthanks to spotz and mhayden to already have put time there :)16:08
spotz:)16:08
evrardjpSee also the ML for the full mail16:08
evrardjpthat's it.16:08
odyssey4melink to the ML post?16:09
evrardjpjust a sec16:09
andymccrahh!16:09
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andymccrso wait is the plan to do bug smash after community meeting?16:10
andymccr(s)16:10
evrardjp#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120118.html16:10
odyssey4mehmm, those times are all quite late for me16:10
evrardjpwell that's true I didn't think that far because it will be late.16:11
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evrardjpok let's modify this by "before" then?16:11
andymccrevrardjp: we could "follow the sun"16:11
odyssey4mewhy not have them all day - then we can hand over to the US crew16:11
andymccryeah16:11
andymccrthat sounds good to me16:11
spotz+116:11
evrardjpok will remove the time notation16:11
hwoarang+116:11
andymccrsounds good16:11
spotz#action evrardjp to update the 'hack day' to be follow the sun16:12
andymccrthanks for arranging jp - i'll update that list once i double check im available on those dates16:13
evrardjpdone :)16:13
odyssey4meoh dear, previous votes are gone16:13
spotz#topic Topics for Discussion16:13
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evrardjpspotz: mhayden could you revote?16:13
spotzevrardjp: will do16:13
spotz#topic PTG - 11-15 September - Denver, Colorado16:14
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evrardjpor I force you to follow the sun :p16:14
spotz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-denver-PTG-planning16:14
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andymccryay16:15
andymccrso16:15
andymccretherpad is up16:15
spotzwoot!16:15
evrardjp\o/16:15
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andymccrstart putting some ideas in there - it's usually best if you can have some form of POC or more detail about whatever it is you're interested in implenting/discussing16:16
andymccrwe'll put focus on that as we get closer to the PTG which is in about 6 weeks16:16
evrardjpAfter the bug smash, if we have time, we could maybe use wishlist items here.16:17
andymccrworks for me16:17
evrardjps/use/list/16:17
andymccrmight badger ppl around the PTG in the next week or 2 :) look forward to that!16:18
evrardjp:D16:18
evrardjpMaybe we can already list attendees16:19
andymccryeah if you think/know you're going put your name down on the list - would be useful16:19
evrardjpfilled a few already16:19
spotzand video:)16:19
spotzSo moving on16:20
spotz#topic Release Planning and Decisions16:20
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andymccrok16:20
andymccrso16:20
spotzI noticed Pike wasn't there and poor little Mitaka was gone:(16:20
andymccrhahaha16:20
andymccryeah :( mitaka is gone16:20
andymccrbut16:20
andymccrpike milestone-3 is out!16:21
andymccrwe have just short of 2 months to get the stable/pike all ready to go16:21
andymccrfor the first pike release16:21
andymccr(which is actually the week of the PTG!)16:21
andymccrwe have released a new stable/newton & stable/ocata so hopefully we will see a lot fewer problems16:21
andymccrthe last release for both was pretty unstable,but we've ironed out the issues so we should be in a good place again!16:22
mhaydenyay!16:22
andymccrbut from releases that is all - feature freeze is in 2 weeks - so i expect a stronger focus now on testing/bug fixes and just general stabilization16:22
spotzandymccr: speaking of newton say some issues go past in the channel last night with repos16:23
spotzerr ocata actually16:23
andymccrspotz: ahh - which issues?16:23
spotzdon't see it any ore in my scroll, but it was calling a repo I hadn't heard of before16:25
odyssey4memaybe to do with the calico/felix thing which just came up?16:25
spotzYes!!!!16:26
evrardjpoh, what changed?16:26
odyssey4meyeah, that fix is in the next release16:26
spotzI knew it was something catty:)16:26
andymccrhahaha16:26
andymccrok cool16:26
andymccrthat should be fixed now with the new release16:26
andymccrthanks to logan- for fixing it before i even noticed :P16:26
spotzYeah logan-!!!!16:27
spotzSo that brings us to....16:27
spotz#topic Blueprint work16:27
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andymccrok so i think we're doing ok - i started getting some of the wsgi work moving last week, thanks for the reviews16:28
andymccrmore to come - i anticipate to finish it before feature freeze16:28
mhaydeni pushed up a new rev of the firewall spec and asked for firewalld/iptables/nftables feedback on the ML16:28
mhaydenhttps://review.openstack.org/47941516:28
andymccr#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479415/16:28
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mhaydenno real consensus so far on the path to implementation16:28
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mhaydenlogan- leans towards plain iptables, evrardjp is on the fence, and nftables was brought up on the ML16:29
mhaydeni'd prefer firewalld or iptables16:29
mhaydennftables seems a bit too modern at the moment16:29
spotzI lean towards iptables but that's cause I'm old school:)16:29
mhaydenit is tried and true (to logan-'s point)16:30
evrardjpnftables isn't the future?16:30
evrardjpoh ok16:30
* odyssey4me sucks at iptables - anything that's easier to follow wins in my books.16:30
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mhaydennftables is probably the future16:30
evrardjpodyssey4me: haha welcome to the club. I'm a pf guy :p16:30
andymccrhaha yes that for me too16:30
mhaydenmy money is on firewalld supporting nftables as a backend at some point16:30
evrardjpsystemd-nspawn requires nftables! <-- fake dependency just created because it is hotness.16:31
hwoarangmy only concern (which I am going to write it on the list too) is that different distros have different firewalld16:31
hwoarangwhich means we get different bugs/behavior as firewalld matures16:31
odyssey4mehmm, but will ansible mask those?16:31
evrardjpI like the idea of being closer to core technology16:32
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mhaydenodyssey4me: not necessarily16:32
odyssey4meie if we use the ansible module, will is disguise those issues and make life simpler for us?16:32
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mhaydeni noted on the ML that different distros have different base rulesets16:32
hwoarangdepends on where this module is tested16:32
mhaydenand zones16:32
evrardjpthe problem of the ansible module is ... that it's untested on debian based distros.16:32
mhaydenand flushing a base ruleset is nontrivial16:32
evrardjpwe'll hit the bugs.16:32
odyssey4mewell, perhaps we're going to have to put this into some sort of non-voting test and drive changes upstream until it's all stabilised16:32
hwoarangand how much maintainance we will end up doing on that module on top of our playbooks16:32
logan-o/ oops late16:33
spotzShould we (ok not me personally:)) maybe add the missing pieces to the module?16:33
mhaydeni might take an expedition to compare opensuse/ubuntu/centos default firewalld rulesets/zones16:33
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odyssey4meif we can play a part in improving the upstream module, that woud be best16:33
evrardjp+116:33
odyssey4meeven if that means we carry our fork for a while - we just make sure that every modification we have has a corresponding PR upstream16:34
odyssey4meor mhayden carries the fork in his github org ;)16:34
evrardjphaha, it can be included in the role16:34
evrardjpit will automatically be loaded16:34
spotz:)16:34
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logan-as far as the iptables stuff, i have done a lot of work on this recently for some other ansible things here. im putting together a little POC role with that stuff, probably hear more from me in the next day or so as I get it pushed up here mhayden https://github.com/logan2211/ansible-iptables16:35
evrardjpI guess we have a winner.16:36
logan-(dont look now it doesn't do anything)16:36
evrardjpoh.16:36
spotzhehe16:36
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mhaydenokay, nothing else from me on the BPs ;)16:37
kyssehow about ferm?16:38
logan-ill ping the ML and channel later today or tomorrow once its ready to look at16:38
kysseclean and understandable syntax16:38
logan-kysse: ++ id say ferm is the most fleshed out of the firewalld/ufw similar things16:39
spotzAny more blueprint stuffage? cloudnull?16:39
mhaydenhaven't heard of ferm til today!16:40
* cloudnull is a bad person, didn't finish his spec and will be removing the hyperconverged bits.16:40
mhaydeninteresting DSL16:40
spotzOk cloudnull is a bad boy and we'll move on16:40
andymccrcloudnull: sad panda :(16:40
spotz#topic Open discussion16:40
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andymccrthere is always next season/cycle16:40
andymccrok so16:41
logan-debops has a pretty extensive ferm role that does a nice job of abstracting the ferm config into ansible var stuff, thats worth taking a look at for ideas16:41
evrardjpI never heard of ferm, interesting16:41
logan-im not sure whether its preferable to work with ferm or template out iptables-save output directly though. lots of options to look at :)16:42
evrardjpyeah, mhayden will have an interesting spike work :D16:42
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mhaydenthis ferm stuff does look more ansible/template friendly16:44
spotzKeep chatting just giving a 16 minute warning:)16:44
andymccrone note - with the PTL announcements coming up next week, i wanted to say I will not be standing for PTL for Queens cycle - I think 2 terms is a good amount of time, and it's probably good time for somebody else to give it a go and bring a new perspective.16:45
evrardjpthanks andymccr for your PTLing!16:45
hwoarangthank you andymccr16:46
odyssey4meyeah, thanks andymccr - you've done well to bring us more exposure to other projects, grow our legend and keep us being talked about16:46
evrardjp\o/16:47
logan-yes thank you!16:47
spotzThanks andymccr!16:47
spotzI guess you should officially email the list for those not here:(16:48
andymccrspotz: perhaps :)16:50
spotzOr you could just run again...16:51
andymccrhaha i could - at least i will still be around of course ;P16:52
evrardjpthat's good news :D16:52
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hwoarangfyi i am on holidays for the next 2 weeks so don't be alarmed if you don't see any suse patches ;p16:53
andymccrhwoarang: enjoy!16:53
hwoarangthank you sir16:53
logan-hwoarang: well earned :) enjoy16:53
evrardjpenjoy indeed!16:53
hwoarangof course that shoudn't stop you from merging my patches in the meantime :D16:54
hwoaranglol16:54
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evrardjp:)16:59
spotzhave a good vacation hwoarang16:59
spotz1 minute so I'm gonna go ahead and shut this down16:59
odyssey4mehave a great holiday hwoarang - well deserved!16:59
spotz#endmeeting16:59
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LouisF#startmeeting service_chaining17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 27 17:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining'17:00
LouisFhi all17:00
igordcard`hi LouisF17:01
LouisFigordcard: hi17:01
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LouisF#topic agenda17:02
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pcarverhi17:02
LouisFhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting17:02
LouisFpcarver: hi17:02
LouisF#topic CLI in python-neutronclient17:03
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LouisFThis merged - thanks to Mohan for hard work and perserverance17:04
LouisF#topic API reference17:04
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pcarverI don't think there's been any change since last week.17:04
LouisFpcarver: ok thanks17:04
LouisF#topic Pike work17:04
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pcarverI don't recall seeing any new review comments, but I haven't had much time to focus on it17:05
LouisFpcarver: ok17:05
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LouisF#topic SFC tap17:06
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LouisFhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/449954/17:06
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LouisFThere should be a new patch to address the latest comment on using OSC plugin17:07
LouisFlooks like Vikash is not on the call17:07
LouisF#topic SFC Graph17:07
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LouisFigordcard: what is the status?17:07
igordcardwaiting to get reviewed17:08
igordcardhave to reply to some recent bcafarel comments17:08
igordcardbut they don't block other reviews17:08
igordcardand I updated the documentation patch17:09
LouisFhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/478668/17:09
igordcardyes17:09
LouisFigordcard: ok all, please review17:09
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igordcardthere's also the NSH work17:10
LouisFalso https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424370/17:10
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LouisFigordcard: how is the NSH work?17:10
igordcardall the patches that have Graph in the name from this topic:17:10
igordcardhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:sfc_encapsulation17:10
igordcardneed reviews17:10
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igordcardthe NSH work is in17:11
igordcardhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/373465/17:11
LouisFigordcard: will review17:11
igordcardand it's also ready but the patch that I submitted before it was breaking the tempest tests17:11
igordcardI know how to avoid and that shouldn't be a problem anymore, but there's another issue17:11
LouisFigordcard: what is the the dependency on OVS support for NSH?17:11
igordcardthe CLI tests are failing on my NSH patch (and will probably fail on the graphs too) because I have to rebase17:12
igordcardthat's why I did the recheck here:17:12
igordcardhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/486407/17:12
igordcardjust to see if it would fail in the same way17:12
igordcardas I haven't quite figured out the source of the cli test failure yet17:12
igordcardnow about NSH/OVS:17:13
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igordcardNSH should be available in OVS 2.8, which can be used by neutron but17:13
igordcardthere will be no kernel datapath compatible with NSH at the time of releae17:14
igordcardI don't know if this is a blocker to merge the NSH patch in networking-sfc or not17:14
LouisFigordcard: is there a kernel patch?17:14
igordcardthere's some work to get there but I don't know if the patches ahve already been submitted17:15
igordcardbut because the patches have to go though different phases/trees, it would be at least another month17:15
LouisFdo you know when ovs 2.8 will be  available?17:16
igordcardmid-august to september17:16
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LouisFok then we can have the nsh work ready by oct/nov?17:17
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igordcardthe nsh work for net-sfc is ready (I'm using the final interface that will be available in OVS)17:18
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igordcardbut if there's a need for kernel ovs to support it then yeah perhaps october-november we could merge, meaning that it would be available in Queens instead17:18
LouisFit worj be good to get the sfc graph and  nsh done by november17:19
LouisFwould17:19
igordcardmy expectaction was that the graphs wo17:19
igordcardwould merge in pike17:19
LouisFhow about sfc graph in pike?17:19
igordcardgraph doesn't have any dependencies, it just uses normal MPLS17:20
LouisFok that is fine: sfc graph in pike and tested nsh support in queens17:20
igordcardOK17:21
igordcardjust one more thing17:21
LouisFigordcard: yes?17:21
igordcardfeature freeze is this week17:21
igordcarddo we do hard freeze or simply try to get things merged now asap?17:22
igordcardbasically I'm asking if there's a risk that the graphs aren't merging in pike solely because of the feature freeze17:23
LouisFigordcard: i think we can get Tap SF and SFC graph in for sure17:23
igordcardhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/486407/17:23
igordcardwrong link17:23
igordcardhttps://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html17:23
igordcardok cool17:24
LouisFlets get these two merged this week17:26
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LouisF#topic OVN driver17:27
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LouisFdoonhammer: what is status?17:27
doonhammerstill no progress17:27
doonhammeraplogies17:27
LouisFdoonhammer: np thanks17:28
LouisF#topic SF port proxy17:28
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LouisFhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/481840/17:29
LouisFwill update with  new patch17:29
LouisF#topic Other topics and discussion17:29
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LouisFany items to address?17:30
igordcardall good17:30
LouisFwe will be pulling a pike branch in about a month from now17:31
LouisFplease vote on talks you would like to see at the summit17:33
LouisFhttps://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/vote-for-speakers17:33
igordcardohh it's out, nice17:33
igordcardthanks17:33
LouisFok thanks all17:33
LouisFbye17:33
LouisF#endmeeting17:34
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igordcardbye17:34
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