Thursday, 2017-11-02

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rosmaita#startmeeting glance14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov  2 14:01:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)"14:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:01
abhishekk_o/14:01
rosmaita#topic roll call14:01
*** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)"14:01
McClymontSo/14:01
benokolieo/14:02
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rosmaitaok, now that croelandt is here, we can get started :)14:03
rosmaitaactually, let's wait 30 more sec for jokke_14:04
jokke_o/14:04
rosmaitaexcellent!14:04
jokke_:)14:04
rosmaita#topic updates14:04
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croelandthehe, sorry for the delay14:04
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rosmaitaok, first thing is no meeting next week14:04
rosmaitasecond thing is that we'll be low on core reviewers next week14:05
rosmaitajokke_ , flaper87, and i will be travelling14:05
rosmaitaabhishekk_ will be on vacation14:05
abhishekk_In case of emergency, i will be available14:05
rosmaita(a well-deserved vacation)14:05
rosmaitahopefully, no emergencies will happen!14:06
jokke_ping us if there is anything urgent14:06
abhishekk_Sure, thank you :)14:06
rosmaitathat's a good point, in case of emergency, we're all available14:06
jokke_I at least won't be keeping eye on the review queue during next week14:06
rosmaitawhat jokke_ said14:06
rosmaitathat was my real point14:06
McClymontSI'm not OOO, I'll keep an eye on it and ping rosmaita lol14:07
rosmaitathat works14:07
abhishekk_McClymontS: you can ping me as well ;)14:07
McClymontSI'll ping everyone14:07
rosmaitathat's pretty much it ... we've got like 5 glance items on the summit agenda, so we hope to raise project awareness and come back with some new contributors14:08
jokke_fingers crossed14:08
abhishekk_Great14:08
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rosmaitai'm in the process of putting together an onboarding etherpad14:08
rosmaitaif you have time, take a look, feel free to add comments14:09
McClymontSabsolutely will, I am also keeping a nice running log on everything I have come across14:09
rosmaitahttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-glance-onboarding14:09
McClymontSincluding some bugs14:09
rosmaitacool, make sure you file the bugs14:10
rosmaitaafter the summit, i plan to get our bug triaging meeting started14:10
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rosmaitaok, that's it for updates14:11
rosmaita#topic Update about the capability update feature in glance_store14:11
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rosmaitacroelandt , that's yours14:11
croelandtthanks14:11
croelandtso, last week, we were wondering what stores used this feature14:11
croelandtand I ended up saying I'd look into it14:12
croelandtwell, that was quick14:12
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croelandtall stores may use it, but no store actually does it14:12
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jokke_haha!14:12
croelandtthere is not a single implementation of "update_capabilities"14:12
McClymontSeasy enough14:13
croelandtso, now we have to decide14:13
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jokke_holy crap ... so the config option has been literally just clutter there14:13
croelandtwhether we remove the whole thing, or keep it as is and start implementing the update_capabiliteis function when they are needed14:13
croelandtjokke_: and before you "haha" again, our users have actually been asking for this once again since last week :D14:14
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rosmaitaok, i was just reviewing the discussion from last week14:15
rosmaitahttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-10-26-14.00.log.html14:15
croelandtso I'd be in favor of keeping the whole thing and merging the patch I proposed, but I might be short-sighted here :)14:16
rosmaita#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455454/14:17
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jokke_I know croelandt will hate me bit more, but I'm still inclined to get rid of that ... I think polling stores "Are you there yet? Are you there yet? are you still there?" is just bad idea14:17
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croelandtjokke_: hey, no hard feelings14:18
croelandtjokke_: you'll be the one closing the downstream bugs, though :D14:18
jokke_I might be wrong 'though .. I have no data to back up either way14:18
jokke_it's just feels wrong14:19
croelandtthe good thing about this feature though, is that it's disabled by default14:19
jokke_croelandt: NP ... happy to do that :P14:19
jokke_if we end up to that decision14:19
jokke_I'd like to hear what rest thinks14:20
croelandtwhat does everybody think?14:20
rosmaitalet me make sure I understand how this works14:20
rosmaitayou'd set the update_min_interval14:20
rosmaitaand glance will poll the store if a store operation occurs outside that interval to check the current capabilities14:21
rosmaitaso it's not constant polling14:22
rosmaitabut you also might hit a few denials even after the store has been updated14:22
rosmaitadepending on the interval you picked14:22
croelandtyeah14:22
croelandtsee the reviews on my patch14:22
croelandtpeople said that it did not seem to fix the issue14:22
croelandtand indeed, you might still get a few denials14:23
croelandtbut it ends up working as expected14:23
rosmaitaright, that's why the help text is so long for this option14:23
rosmaitaok, other than the filesystem store, does anyone see this being useful for other stores?14:24
jokke_IIRC it expects the change both ways so it still keeps polling the backend if there is changes happening14:24
abhishekkNot sure at the moment, but this will be mostly used for fs store only14:26
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McClymontSIdk if I see a whole lot of value for other stores, but FS makes sense to me14:27
rosmaitaso how bad is the alternative jokke_ proposed last week, namely, make sure you don't start glance until the FS has configured itself?14:27
croelandtapparently my users are not too happy with that14:28
croelandtlike rebooting/restarting a node causes issues14:29
croelandtwell, this might be solved my some better sysadmin skills14:29
rosmaitaok, so does this happen a lot?14:29
croelandtI would not know, being a terrible sysadmin myself14:29
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croelandtwell, as I was saying earlier, I have 2 users who complain about this, one of them considering this an urgent matter14:29
nikhil./14:30
jokke_I guess the main problem is with deployments that just haven't taken it into account and/or deployment tools that does not have proper state engine but just does operations at parallel14:30
rosmaitanikhil , we're discussing croelandt 's patch for update capabilities, you had a comment on the review14:30
nikhilah14:30
rosmaita#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455454/14:30
nikhilty14:30
McClymontSits disabled by default correct?14:31
croelandtiirc, yes14:31
McClymontSjust to make sure I am understanding this14:31
croelandtjokke_: I feel like you should be able to tell systemd to do things as expected14:31
croelandtbut one of our users says a systemd-based approach failed (not sure why, though)14:31
rosmaitamaybe systemd just makes sure the FS is up, doesn't check that it's in writable state yet14:32
jokke_so this is gluster specific but the principle is the same https://serverfault.com/questions/682553/systemd-start-a-unit-after-another-unit-really-starts14:32
jokke_so one could for example put rule "ConditionPathExists=/mnt/nfs/images" which would prevent glance starting until that /mnt/nfs is mounted14:33
croelandthum14:34
croelandtapparently they used (or were told to use?) "RequiresMountsFor=/var/lib/glance/images "14:35
croelandtthere is also "ConditionPathIsReadWrite"14:36
rosmaitathere look like several possibilities14:36
rosmaitamy feeling is that if this is strictly a startup time thing, go with systemd14:36
jokke_yeah14:36
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rosmaitaif we don't have a use case for dynamic updating of store capabilities, we shouldn't use it14:37
jokke_that's why polling the store continuously feels wrong14:37
croelandtI'll go back to the user14:37
croelandthave them try ConditionPathIsReadWrite14:37
jokke_but as said I have no data to back it up14:37
croelandtand if that solves the issue, I'll drop the patch14:37
croelandthow does that sound?14:37
croelandtjokke_: it's not *constant* polling, though :)14:38
rosmaitacroelandt if that solves the issue, we can fix via documentation14:38
jokke_croelandt: sounds great to me ... if that solves their issue I'd be super happy just to remove all that clutter14:38
croelandthaha14:38
jokke_what rosmaita just said14:38
croelandtjokke is never as happy as when he can remove code :D14:38
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jokke_croelandt: absolutely14:38
croelandtok, let's agree on that and move on, shall we?14:39
rosmaitasounds good, thanks!14:39
jokke_thanks for digging into it croelandt14:39
rosmaita#action croelandt research whether the systemd solution is acceptable14:39
rosmaitaok, next item14:39
croelandtjokke_: np14:39
rosmaita#topic opinion on deleting images that exceed the storage quota14:39
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rosmaitabenokolie has a bug filed and a patch up for this14:40
rosmaita#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/172651814:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1726518 in Glance "Image not deleted after upload when exceeding image_size_cap" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Benard Okolie (benokolie)14:40
rosmaitai'm skeptical about this one, but want the wider community to take a look14:40
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rosmaitabenokolie anything to add?14:41
rosmaita(let's give people a few minutes to read through the bug)14:41
benokolieI think all the info should be in the bug14:41
nikhilthis should change in import rt?14:42
jokke_I do agree and disagree14:42
jokke_so that should be client change when the --file is provided on the image-create call and we know the file size14:43
nikhilthat’s much better I think14:43
rosmaitayeah, i don't think it would be an acceptable api change14:44
jokke_nope14:44
nikhilrosmaita: seems odd to remove something under the hood,might break scripts14:44
jokke_but the client should not issue the image create api call if it know that the upload will fail14:44
rosmaitayeah, but the client doesn't know the max_cap14:45
jokke_well it's just backwards incompatible API change to fix inconvenience14:45
jokke_rosmaita: isn't that in the schema?14:45
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rosmaitai don't think so14:45
nikhilyeah,something related to quota14:46
jokke_well I think that's something in the API side we should fix then :P14:46
nikhillooks like best to wait for quota14:46
rosmaitawell, it would be part of the discovery api we've been talking about14:46
rosmaitaon the other hand, we do support file upload when we don't know the size in advance14:47
jokke_yup14:47
rosmaitaso even if we knew the max_cap, we'd still have this case14:47
jokke_so it will be just early fail when client knows it's gonna fail like I said earlier14:47
rosmaitayeah, my point is that benokolie could still work on this without waiting for the discovery api14:48
rosmaitaone question though14:48
rosmaitawith image import, if the PUT to stage fails, it's possible to retry14:48
rosmaitaas many times as you want until you issue the import call14:48
rosmaitaso for import, we don't want to delete the image record if upload fails14:49
rosmaitaso this would be asymmetrical14:49
rosmaitaany problem with that?14:49
jokke_well it's the same with the image upload14:49
jokke_if it fails the image returns to queued so you can go and resize your image and reupload without creating the image again14:50
rosmaitaright, but my point is the one-command thing in the client14:50
rosmaitawe're proposing that that could clean up after itself14:50
rosmaitamy question is, do we really want it to?14:50
jokke_it's just with the client we prefer fail early so the client shouldn't make the api calls if it knows something down the workflow it's executing is going to fail14:50
jokke_no14:51
McClymontSI don't think we do14:51
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jokke_we do not want the client to delete the image automatically either14:51
rosmaitaok, that14:51
rosmaitas what i was getting at14:51
jokke_just not create it in the first place if it knows it's gonna fail14:51
rosmaitaok, so that solution has to wait for the discovery api14:52
rosmaitaso then the conclusion of this discussion is that this is *not* a bug?14:52
jokke_I'd say free to propose a patch towards it as well :D14:52
rosmaitain either the client or the api?14:52
jokke_rosmaita: correct, not a bug, inconvenience14:52
rosmaitaor introduce a --cleanup option to the image-create when --file is present?14:52
jokke_or one can just make the image-delete call to do it14:53
jokke_;)14:53
rosmaitaok, the conclusion is: not a bug in the API, i will explain on the bug14:53
abhishekkStage and upload are same only difference is stage will upload data first in (temp directory) staging area, right?14:53
McClymontSyes abhishekk I believe you are correct14:54
jokke_abhishekk: literally uses the same code, just bit of wrapping around and stage currently utilizes file store only14:54
rosmaitathere may be an image status difference?14:54
McClymontSthey actually call the same functions I believe as jokke_ said14:55
abhishekkThen if image_cap is set, is it considered while satging as well?14:55
jokke_McClymontS: on client yes14:55
jokke_API side stage is copy-paste with some changess14:55
jokke_ok, lets move on ... we're running out of time14:56
rosmaitaok, the conclusion here is that we need work on the discovery api in order for the client to be smarter and avoid stuff like this14:56
abhishekkYup14:56
rosmaitabenokolie we can talk after the meeting if you have any interest in working on the discovery api14:57
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:57
benokolierosmaita: That would be great :D14:57
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rosmaita3 minutes14:57
rosmaitaanyone?14:57
abhishekkAll the best for summit!14:57
nikhilhave a good summit, cya all after14:57
rosmaitathanks! will hopefully come back with a basket of new contributors14:58
McClymontSsounds good, good luck!14:58
abhishekk\o/14:58
jokke_o/14:58
croelandt\o14:59
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croelandthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/512020/ <- If I could get a +2 on this before you all leave14:59
rosmaitaok, guess that's all ... thanks everyone!14:59
croelandtthat'd be amazing, though14:59
jokke_thanks14:59
abhishekkThank you all14:59
rosmaitacroelandt that's the image-target thing?14:59
croelandtrosmaita: yeah14:59
croelandtI still need one good review15:00
rosmaitawill try to make time15:00
rosmaita#endmeeting15:00
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croelandtrosmaita: thx15:00
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bcafarel#startmeeting service_chaining17:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov  2 17:01:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bcafarel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining'17:01
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vks11hi17:01
bcafarelhey vks1117:01
vks11:)17:01
bcafarelthis should be a quiet meeting, but at least we can summarize the recent progress :)17:01
vks11go on17:02
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igordchi all17:02
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bcafarelhello igordc, meeting-free this evening?17:02
igordcdaylight saving time ended so now I can attend the meeting again :)17:02
bcafarelnice17:03
bcafarellet's start then17:03
bcafarel#topic Agenda17:03
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bcafarel#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting#Agenda_for_the_Networking-SFC_Meeting_.2811.2F2.2F2017.2917:03
bcafarelthe agenda will probably get shorter soon with recent merges :)17:03
bcafarel#topic Zuul v3 migration17:04
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bcafarelpatch to move zuul jobs in tree is merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512340/17:04
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bcafarelfollow up patches in progress (one mistake on the jobs I moved, backporting to stable branches, and cleaning the legacy configuration)17:05
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bcafarelbut so far it looks good!17:05
bcafarel#topic Tempest work17:06
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bcafarelno feedback on the ml post http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123814.html but mlavalle commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510552/17:07
bcafarelhe's leaning on an unified Neutron Stadium repo, waiting to see how it turns out17:08
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bcafarelpersonally I'm quite neutral on the options (per repo, one for stadium, or joined with neutron)17:09
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bcafarel#topic Tap SF17:11
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vks11bcafarel: there were couple of neutronclient patches (mine , yours)17:12
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bcafarelvks11: yes, I see some new +2 on them17:13
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bcafarelwith driver merged, and this getting close, we can probably cross this one of the todo list soon17:13
vks11yeah17:14
bcafarelvks11: and luckily you did not create a merge conflict too big for igordc ;)17:15
vks11bcafarel: I was really afraid of that :)17:15
igordcvks11: bcafarel: it was OK :)17:16
igordchad much worse back in the service graphs era17:16
igordceven worse in the mpls correlation one I think17:16
bcafareloh yes I remember that one17:17
bcafareland good transition:17:17
bcafarel#topic SFC graphs17:17
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bcafarelall done too, except the OSC plugin, which has one +2 right?17:18
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igordcbcafarel: yeap17:18
igordcbcafarel: amotoki +2d17:19
bcafareligordc: and he pinged mlavalle on looking at the list of "open, python-neutronclient and AM+2"17:20
bcafarelmay be some delay with the summit but they should go in the close release for python-neutronclient17:20
igordcbcafarel: great17:21
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bcafarel#topic NSH dataplane17:22
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bcafarelhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/373465/ got merged, thanks igordc for all the hard work on the topic (with previous correlation stuff etc)!17:23
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igordcphew, NSH finally becomes possible in OpenStack17:24
igordcnow we need some sample nsh functions to test everything17:25
bcafarelindeed I'd love to get my hands on these too17:25
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bcafareland nsh in kernel data path (ovs) seems to be making good progress17:26
bcafareligordc: is there a python-neutronclient related patch?17:27
igordcyes17:27
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igordchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/487843/17:28
igordcI temporarily abandoned it, I will restore now actually17:28
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igordcwill resubmit today or tomorrow17:29
bcafarelnext python-neutronclient release will be heavy on the SFC commits :)17:29
bcafarel#topic python-neutronclient updates17:30
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bcafarelI guess we mentioned these enough already, the bugfixes are also in good shape (at least one +2, in the list to get merged)17:31
bcafarel#topic API reference17:31
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bcafarelI don't think I saw any update here17:32
bcafarelvks11: did you get a hold on tmorin?17:32
vks11not this week17:32
vks11I checked couple of time last week17:33
vks11most of the time he was offline17:33
vks11I will try to reach him tomorrow once more17:33
vks11but I guess he is like most of the time unavialable17:33
vks11may be I should send him email instead17:34
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bcafarelvks11: thanks, he may be going to Sydney too17:35
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bcafarelvks11: I forgot to add VMs failure detection to the agenda17:36
vks11I was thinking to brought up in last section of this meeting17:36
bcafarelok time for the last section then :)17:37
bcafarel#topic VMs failure detection17:37
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vks11hehehe17:37
vks11I looked briefly on ceilometer heathmon17:38
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vks11I have worked long time back on the ceilometer to listen on the events published on rabbitmq17:39
vks11just for hypothesis, if we get that we need some sort of listener or API client to invoke the suitable action against it17:40
vks11this mechanism how it will fit is something we need to work on17:41
vks11however, I haven't spend much time this week on this topic17:41
vks11have you any thought on this ?17:41
bcafarelI'm reading some ceilometer docs in another tab to try to get up to speed :)17:42
bcafarelvks11: the listener is for the service VM, or for the collecting service?17:43
vks11bcafarel: I think to start with aliveness of service VM17:45
vks11we had internally probably in 2013-14 had implemented monitoring based on various metrics17:46
vks11and based on policy configured by user made it to take action17:47
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vks11I think that's before ceilometer was in picture in openstack17:48
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bcafarelthat reminds me of octavia (lbaas) health monitoring17:49
bcafarelit may be worth checking how they monitor the amphorae (service VMs for octavia)17:50
bcafarelvks11: btw did you start an etherpad?17:51
vks11no not yet,17:52
bcafarelvks11: no problem, we will link it in next meeting :)17:52
vks11:)17:53
bcafarelok, getting close to the hour17:55
bcafareltime to wrap up I guess :)17:55
bcafarelthanks igordc vks11, bye!17:56
vks11bcafarel: bye will talk tomorrow17:57
bcafarel#endmeeting17:57
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