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| Jeffrey4l | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 4 16:00:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| duonghq | o/h | 16:01 |
| spsurya__ | 0/ | 16:01 |
| egonzalez | Woo/t | 16:01 |
| caoyuan | o/h | 16:01 |
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| sadasu | hi | 16:01 |
| bmace | o/ | 16:02 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
| Jeffrey4l | kolla ocata 4.0.4 is release this week | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | any other announcement from community? | 16:03 |
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| Jeffrey4l | guess no, move on | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic newton branch eol | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton branch eol (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:04 | |
| Jeffrey4l | openstack newton release is eol at 2017-10-25 | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | and kolla newton is a little out of maintain. there is no patch recently at all. | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | so i propose mark it as eol and delete the branch tool | 16:05 |
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| Jeffrey4l | any idea on this? | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok, i will sync with release team and make this happen recently. | 16:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | next | 16:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic retire kolla-kubernetes | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "retire kolla-kubernetes (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:07 | |
| Jeffrey4l | this is talked on ML. | 16:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | the core issue is still no contributor could lead this kolla-k8s. | 16:08 |
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| Jeffrey4l | so the current plan is still retrie this project now. | 16:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | feel free to reply in the mail. | 16:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. there is no more agenda items. | 16:09 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #topic open discussion | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:09 | |
| Jeffrey4l | any volunteer? | 16:10 |
| pbourke | Jeffrey4l: there is some contention over my spec to move the start scripts to kolla-ansible | 16:10 |
| duonghq | Jeffrey4l, iirc, kfox1111 is willing to help in next few months? | 16:10 |
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| sadasu | I am new to this community, but would it be a good idea to bring this up during the summit before retiring kolla-k8s? | 16:10 |
| Jeffrey4l | duonghq, no. him move to other due to the company policy. | 16:10 |
| pbourke | Jeffrey4l: I think we may need to propose a vote but Im not 100% on the mechanics of this | 16:10 |
| duonghq | Jeffrey4l, got | 16:10 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, yeah, this should be well designed. | 16:11 |
| duonghq | May I have two topics after Paul | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | duonghq, sure | 16:11 |
| pbourke | it seems sdake feels very strongly about it, unsure if there's othrs | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://review.openstack.org/550958 | 16:11 |
| pbourke | *others | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, i think we should start a ML to talk about this. | 16:12 |
| spsurya__ | pbourke: +1 for voting mechanism | 16:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | what's the image should be , and should contains. | 16:12 |
| pbourke | I can start a ML thread | 16:12 |
| sdake | pbourke the main reawosn I Afeel strongly about it is - i feel it would lead to API degradation | 16:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | one of issue i think is, promise we support other upstream images. | 16:13 |
| sdake | but ya, ml better place to discuss | 16:13 |
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| pbourke | Jeffrey4l: well, its not so much a promise as making it easier to do so | 16:13 |
| spsurya__ | pbourke: Jeffrey4l what about wait for little more time before start any ML on retire ? | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | yeah, api is important. and the image should support some kind of API. | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | through all think to orchestration tool is hard to use. | 16:15 |
| mgoddard | pbourke: I think most of what you want to do can be done via config.json, rather than bind mounting everything | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | spsurya__, what's your throught? | 16:15 |
| spsurya__ | Jeffrey4l: i discussed all around | 16:16 |
| pbourke | mgoddard: only kolla images support config.json, that's the issue | 16:16 |
| spsurya__ | and i personally feel let it be as it is under kolla umbrella | 16:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | but sure, we still have time. | 16:17 |
| spsurya__ | ans wait for more time | 16:17 |
| spsurya__ | rwellum: tried to fix the gate but that actually needed more patches in his thought | 16:17 |
| pbourke | spsurya__: personally I think we've spent more than enough time talking about it | 16:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | rwellum is quiting, too ;/ | 16:18 |
| sdake | mgoddard i agree | 16:18 |
| sdake | pbourke config.json is the API :) | 16:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | bare image (without any API) is hard to use. | 16:19 |
| pbourke | i disagree, I think its easier | 16:19 |
| sdake | easier isn't the issue, whether its a contract and loosley coupled in the issue | 16:19 |
| sdake | as raised by the TC thread | 16:19 |
| mgoddard | pbourke: I see. Could this be solved via a layer of abstraction? Some driver in k-a that encapsulates how files are placed into a container? | 16:19 |
| spsurya__ | pbourke: agree, but if gates is up then kolla might be supporting on kubrnetes too | 16:19 |
| Jeffrey4l | even lots of upstream officical image support a "entrypoing.sh" file as entrance. | 16:19 |
| sdake | we want loosley coupled + contract imo | 16:19 |
| pbourke | spsurya__: there is not enough people to support it | 16:20 |
| mgoddard | are other deployment tools using the config.json mechanism? | 16:20 |
| pbourke | mgoddard: no | 16:20 |
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| pbourke | which is kind of a big deal imo | 16:20 |
| pbourke | kolla is unique in this regard | 16:20 |
| mgoddard | perhaps I should rephrase | 16:20 |
| egonzalez | mgoddard tripleo does | 16:20 |
| mgoddard | is tripleo using it | 16:20 |
| mgoddard | ok, thanks | 16:20 |
| Jeffrey4l | doesn't triplo use it? | 16:21 |
| sdake | tripleo is using config.json | 16:21 |
| mgoddard | yeah, I was really asking about users of kolla images | 16:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | but they don't use kolla_logs folder. | 16:21 |
| spsurya__ | pbourke: yeah, we need only one strong contributor like kfox1111 sbezverk | 16:21 |
| sdake | if you raad the long thread with the TC, the config.json exists to solve the problem of "how do people integrate with kolla images" without causing a bunch of problems | 16:22 |
| sdake | that has worked well as other APIs have worked | 16:22 |
| spsurya__ | after that more or less we will have 4-5 contributors | 16:22 |
| mgoddard | I read through the ML chain, just wasn't sure if all users of kolla images used config.json - it could easily be bypassed | 16:22 |
| egonzalez | It needs to be documented for other projects to consume it but wfm | 16:22 |
| sdake | egonzalez agreed docs would be good | 16:23 |
| mgoddard | +1 | 16:23 |
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| Jeffrey4l | docs +1 | 16:23 |
| sdake | mandre offered to write them iiuc :) | 16:23 |
| pbourke | whats the benefit to this api though | 16:23 |
| sdake | pbourke did you read the TC thread? | 16:23 |
| sdake | the answer to your queestion is covered there | 16:23 |
| pbourke | link? | 16:23 |
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| sdake | forgive the spam I don't have a link immediately: | 16:24 |
| sdake | [...] | 16:24 |
| sdake | The problems raised in this thread (tension - tight coupling - | 16:24 |
| sdake | second class citizens - stratification) was predicted early on - | 16:24 |
| sdake | prior to Kolla 1.0. That prediction led to the creation of a | 16:24 |
| sdake | technical solution - the Kolla API. This API permits anyone to | 16:24 |
| sdake | reuse the containers as they see fit if they conform their | 16:24 |
| sdake | implementation to the API. The API is not specifically tied to | 16:24 |
| sdake | the Ansible deployment technology. Instead the API is tied to the | 16:24 |
| sdake | varying requirements that various deployment teams have had in the | 16:24 |
| sdake | past around generalized requirements for making container | 16:24 |
| sdake | lifecycle management a reality while running OpenStack services | 16:24 |
| sdake | and their dependencies inside containers. | 16:24 |
| sdake | [...] | 16:24 |
| sdake | Thanks! That's where my fuzzy thought process was leading. Existence | 16:24 |
| sdake | of a stable API guarantee rather than treating the API as "whatever | 16:24 |
| sdake | kolla-ansible does" significantly increases the chances of other | 16:24 |
| sdake | projects being able to rely on kolla's images in the long term. | 16:24 |
| sdake | -- | 16:24 |
| sdake | Jeremy Stanley | 16:24 |
| pbourke | yes I read that | 16:24 |
| sdake | ok - that is why the config.json is needed | 16:25 |
| pbourke | the config.json doesn't solve these things | 16:25 |
| sdake | i disagree | 16:25 |
| sdake | mailing list thread -> you can post there your thoughts :) | 16:26 |
| sdake | what you propose is treating the API as "whatever kolla-0ansible does" | 16:26 |
| sdake | (in the spec) | 16:26 |
| sdake | that is not highly regarded by the tc, which imo shouldn't be sticking their nose in this business anyway | 16:27 |
| mgoddard | if we're looking to support other image types in kolla-ansible than the kolla images, why not add the support there, rather than changing the kolla API? | 16:28 |
| pbourke | actually, config.json is making sure people have to follow whatever kolla-ansible does | 16:28 |
| pbourke | its the exact opposite effect of what you're describing | 16:28 |
| sdake | anyone is free to submit a config.json change | 16:28 |
| pbourke | config.json lives in kolla-ansible | 16:28 |
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| sdake | config.json API lives in containers | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, if we have doc, people won't care about how kolla-ansible does | 16:28 |
| pbourke | wrong! | 16:28 |
| sdake | the actual values in config.json are speciied in kolla-ansible, i agree with that | 16:29 |
| mgoddard | there needs to be some contract between the image and the tool, config.json or otherwise. This will always be defined by the image | 16:29 |
| sdake | the API is within the ontainers - APIs consume the config.json as an input | 16:29 |
| sdake | anyway I'm not going to get into a heated debate in irc, use the mailing list if you wish to disagree | 16:29 |
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| Jeffrey4l | ok, this will be critial spec for kolla. let us continue this on ML. irc is hard to talk ;) | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, could you start a new ML for this? | 16:30 |
| pbourke | Jeffrey4l: will do, I think the current one has a bit too much going on | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks. | 16:31 |
| Jeffrey4l | next topic, | 16:31 |
| pbourke | one last thing before I forget :) | 16:31 |
| pbourke | can some core other than myself please approve yankcrime's haproxy review | 16:31 |
| pbourke | he's been very patient with it i think :) | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, i have approved it :D | 16:32 |
| pbourke | great! | 16:32 |
| pbourke | thanks | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | and thanks yankcrime | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | duonghq, your turn | 16:32 |
| duonghq | Jeffrey4l, thanks | 16:33 |
| duonghq | the first and the simple one is in the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532128/ | 16:33 |
| duonghq | As I need more variables passed to the extend_start script for rolling upgrade, I think Trinh's suggestion is a good option | 16:34 |
| duonghq | but it requires changing quite large code base | 16:34 |
| duonghq | so I need other developers' opinion | 16:34 |
| Jeffrey4l | this is one place i wanna kolla(image) should be improve through pbourke's spec :) | 16:36 |
| Jeffrey4l | need a easier way to run some simple bash script. | 16:36 |
| duonghq | but I seem that we need quite long discussion about this topic, I think I'll continue with rolling upgrade with extend_script as it | 16:37 |
| duonghq | *it seems | 16:37 |
| spsurya__ | duonghq: may be atm i have not heavily been able to help on upgrade thing....but very soon i will be there to help | 16:38 |
| pbourke | duonghq: will take me some time to get up to speed on that review, will post comments after the meeting | 16:38 |
| duonghq | spsurya__, pbourke, thanks | 16:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | duonghq, i will review it too. | 16:39 |
| duonghq | and I'll the extend script logic untouch | 16:39 |
| duonghq | Jeffrey4l, thank, I wish that we can finish to implement rolling upgrade logic for all core services in this cycle | 16:40 |
| duonghq | and it'll need much review effort | 16:40 |
| duonghq | and much more effort to implement the logic correctly, so I appreciate all comments and help | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | yeah | 16:41 |
| spsurya__ | duonghq: i will start for nova and swift | 16:41 |
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| duonghq | spsurya__, I pushed 2 patchsets for nova | 16:41 |
| duonghq | will add you to reviewers list | 16:41 |
| spsurya__ | duonghq: ok | 16:42 |
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| duonghq | so, can we move to the next topic from me? | 16:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | sure | 16:43 |
| duonghq | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+spec/ansible-specific-task-become | 16:43 |
| duonghq | last week I posted this bp status to meeting | 16:43 |
| duonghq | so if nobody has any comments on it, can we mark it as finished? | 16:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | duonghq, should we use "become" for kolla_docker modules? | 16:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | as normally user can not connect docker.sock | 16:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | it's permission is "root:docker" | 16:45 |
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| duonghq | let me recheck it tomorrow | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | okay | 16:46 |
| yankcrime | yeah thanks again to Jeffrey4l and pbourke for being patient with my change also :) | 16:46 |
| duonghq | or we just need to add the user to docker group? | 16:46 |
| duonghq | which option do your prefer? | 16:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | duonghq, no. become should be better. | 16:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | we can not ensure the user is a member of docker group. | 16:47 |
| duonghq | I think the real question is which is better: we tried to add the user to the docker group, or just leave the user as it and apply "become" on it | 16:48 |
| Jeffrey4l | i prefer to use "become" like other tasks. | 16:48 |
| duonghq | ok, but how about you, pbourke, spsurya__ .... | 16:49 |
| duonghq | "become" seems more secure | 16:49 |
| pbourke | become is probably most consistent as there are some operations outside docker that need root regardless | 16:50 |
| spsurya__ | duonghq: i also see *become* is there for other task | 16:50 |
| spsurya__ | ans that should be fine | 16:51 |
| duonghq | ok, thank you | 16:51 |
| duonghq | sorry for rush but I have one more topic, if we can finish on it, I'll move to the next, about 8mins left | 16:51 |
| duonghq | thank Jeffrey4l, pbourke, spsurya__ for comment about ansible-become | 16:52 |
| Jeffrey4l | np. next? | 16:53 |
| duonghq | my next topic is about kolla-cli, do you want to discuss in this week or push to next meeting? | 16:53 |
| pbourke | we can start now and continue next meeting if needed | 16:54 |
| bmace | i don't know how much else is on the agenda or how long you expect the discussion to take. we can talk in the kolla channel after also if you want | 16:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | or continue in kolla channel ;D | 16:54 |
| duonghq | as we have kolla-cli in official repository, so I think we should make the commands in kolla-cli more usable, for example, add node and remove node | 16:54 |
| duonghq | currently, it just manipulate the inventory file | 16:55 |
| bmace | so just a nomenclature thing? node instead of host? | 16:55 |
| pbourke | maybe we should get a state of the union type thing for kollacli before we discuss changing commands etc? | 16:55 |
| duonghq | yeah, node, due to I'm opeing the Jeffrey4l's bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+spec/remove-node | 16:55 |
| pbourke | i.e. is it usable yet with current kolla code right now, what tasks are currently high priority? | 16:56 |
| duonghq | pbourke, my point is deployment "topo" can be changed in production, as it real requirement (e.g. remove node, remove service,....) | 16:56 |
| duonghq | but remove node is more than just remove the node from inventory file | 16:56 |
| bmace | i can add some kolla-cli bp, but right now there are still some "oracleisms" in it that i'm working on removing. my goal is to have it working in the kolla-ansible vagrant dev environment asap | 16:57 |
| pbourke | duonghq: ah I see | 16:57 |
| pbourke | bmace: sounds good :) | 16:57 |
| bmace | for other stuff, i think we can add kolla-cli blueprints as well, duonghq, and discuss those then? | 16:57 |
| duonghq | bmace, thank for it, but in the mean time, should we implement the lacking logic in kolla-ansible? | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | duonghq, even though that pb is mine. what i want is just improve current destroy logical. | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | remove service or node need more tasks | 16:58 |
| duonghq | bmace, sure, we have project kolla-cli in launchpad, just add something there and link back to the related-one in kolla-ansible | 16:58 |
| duonghq | Jeffrey4l, that's my point | 16:58 |
| duonghq | but it's real requirements from operator | 16:58 |
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| duonghq | should we try to do something in this cycle, but I don't want to overload our pending bp list | 16:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | mostly , shutdown the node works lol | 16:59 |
| duonghq | if we can shutdown the node, it's the best case | 16:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | at least i'd like to improve current destroy action. | 17:00 |
| duonghq | but if the node is turn on accidently, some ghost will walk in our life | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. time is up. let us back to openstack-kolla channel. | 17:00 |
| duonghq | kk, thanks | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks for comming, | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | have a nice day&night | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| spsurya__ | thanks | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 4 17:00:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-04-04-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-04-04-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-04-04-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| caoyuan | ：） | 17:01 |
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