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| ricolin | #startmeeting heat | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 17 15:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 15:01 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:01 | |
| zaneb | \o | 15:01 |
| LanceHaig | \o | 15:01 |
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| ricolin | LanceHaig, good to see you here:) | 15:01 |
| LanceHaig | Happy to be here | 15:01 |
| ramishra | hi | 15:02 |
| kazsh | \o | 15:02 |
| ricolin | kazsh, hi:) | 15:02 |
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| kazsh | hi ricolin :) | 15:02 |
| ricolin | #topic adding items to agenda | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:03 | |
| ricolin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282017-05-17_1500_UTC.29 | 15:03 |
| ricolin | #topic weekly report | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly report (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:04 | |
| ricolin | we have on critical bug this week | 15:05 |
| ricolin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1690936 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690936 in heat "Need to stop using image/floating_ip passthroughs in novaclient" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Thomas Herve (therve) | 15:05 |
| ricolin | which fixed by ramishra and therve | 15:05 |
| therve | I just approved the tests that were removed | 15:06 |
| ricolin | thanks nova:) | 15:06 |
| therve | We need to fix the nova network resources now | 15:06 |
| ricolin | yes | 15:06 |
| zaneb | thanks everyone who worked on that | 15:06 |
| zaneb | it was like 5.30pm when I found it | 15:06 |
| ricolin | that's what we have to discussed about, what's the best way to fix like nova floating ip? | 15:07 |
| ricolin | we can do like "OS::Nova::Floatingip": "OS::Neutron::Floatingip" | 15:07 |
| ricolin | but the properties seems so different | 15:07 |
| therve | Alias to None? | 15:07 |
| therve | I don't think the alias to neutron would work | 15:08 |
| therve | I think it's similar to the ceilo one, the backend doesn't support it | 15:08 |
| zaneb | ricolin: I didn't realise the properties were different | 15:09 |
| zaneb | I think we need to reimplement the Nova one to use the neutron client | 15:09 |
| ricolin | therve, I was thinking maybe we can use something like that | 15:09 |
| ricolin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439433/9 | 15:09 |
| ramishra | I was thinking may be we keep the resource hidden/deprecated and change the nova calls to neutron ones | 15:09 |
| ricolin | therve, which will still allow delete on exists | 15:09 |
| zaneb | the nova client was previously calling Neutron for us, now we have to do it ourselves | 15:09 |
| ramishra | in those resources | 15:10 |
| zaneb | ramishra++ | 15:10 |
| therve | zaneb, Hum... was it? | 15:10 |
| therve | I thought it was nova network stuff | 15:10 |
| zaneb | therve: I believe so, for clouds that had Neutron | 15:10 |
| ramishra | therve: it used to work for both nova-network and neutron | 15:10 |
| therve | Hum, okay | 15:10 |
| ramishra | so now it would only work with neutron | 15:10 |
| zaneb | IIUC that was part of their migration plan | 15:11 |
| ricolin | for example in nova floating ip create | 15:11 |
| ricolin | self.client().floating_ips.create(pool=pool) | 15:11 |
| ramishra | ricolin: we will convert these to neutron calls | 15:12 |
| ricolin | ramishra, okay | 15:12 |
| therve | OK, that sounds like a plan then | 15:12 |
| ramishra | yep, I can do that tomorrow if no one takes a stab at it when I'm sleeping;) | 15:13 |
| ricolin | TBH directly use None will be easier but maybe you guys are right | 15:13 |
| ricolin | ramishra, I sleep when you sleep:) | 15:13 |
| zaneb | ricolin: no way to delete existing stuff if you alias to None | 15:14 |
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| ricolin | zaneb, how about alias to None and overwrite handle_delete? | 15:14 |
| therve | ricolin, If you alias to None you don't have a delete method? | 15:15 |
| therve | You mean inheriting None? | 15:15 |
| ricolin | doh! | 15:15 |
| ricolin | sorry, and yes inheriting! | 15:15 |
| therve | I prefer ramishra's idea | 15:15 |
| ricolin | therve, actually me too now:) | 15:16 |
| * zaneb too | 15:16 | |
| therve | OK let's move on then :) | 15:16 |
| ricolin | still on weekly report! | 15:16 |
| zaneb | SOLD to ramishra | 15:16 |
| ricolin | #action ramishra will help on nova legency resource | 15:17 |
| ricolin | We also has two high bug this week | 15:17 |
| ricolin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1689689 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1689689 in heat "retryError when detach interface" [High,New] - Assigned to huangtianhua (huangtianhua) | 15:17 |
| ricolin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1691355 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691355 in heat "Error raised when stack-create" [High,In progress] - Assigned to huangtianhua (huangtianhua) | 15:17 |
| ricolin | Also in Summit | 15:18 |
| ricolin | we been reported by numbers of user about the lack of document from heat | 15:18 |
| therve | documentation? | 15:18 |
| ricolin | Basically tutorial | 15:19 |
| ricolin | therve, yes | 15:19 |
| therve | Yeah that'd be nice | 15:20 |
| therve | Docs are hard to write though | 15:20 |
| LanceHaig | We have something in our project that I think is a good tutorial | 15:21 |
| ricolin | like short of rolling upgrade doc, software config doc, template samples, and some basic user friendly tutorial | 15:21 |
| LanceHaig | https://github.com/heat-extras/heat-tutorial | 15:21 |
| LanceHaig | It takes you from basic heat to software deployments | 15:21 |
| ricolin | LanceHaig, and his team will step out to help btw:) | 15:22 |
| therve | LanceHaig, Oh that's really cool | 15:22 |
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| LanceHaig | We saw need when we were trying to show others | 15:22 |
| therve | It'd be nice if it was in Heat itself :) | 15:22 |
| LanceHaig | so florin merged a number of resources that he credits there into a tutorial | 15:22 |
| LanceHaig | Well that was the discussion ricolin had with florin | 15:23 |
| LanceHaig | I think florin is happy to merge hi stuff into an official repo | 15:23 |
| LanceHaig | I am not sure how that would be done thoug | 15:23 |
| ramishra | +1, we can probably add them to heat | 15:24 |
| ricolin | LanceHaig, yeah, I think we really need those stuff:) | 15:24 |
| ramishra | may be heat-templates repo? | 15:24 |
| ricolin | LanceHaig, I already look through your repo, really a lot of stuff can merge back in heat | 15:24 |
| therve | ramishra, Rather see heat, so that it's in the official doc site | 15:25 |
| LanceHaig | We also have created a library for our customers and have started an open source version that is here https://github.com/heat-extras/heat-lib | 15:25 |
| ricolin | for tutorial should be in heat repo | 15:25 |
| therve | We don't have rst doc in heat-templates | 15:25 |
| ramishra | therve: OK | 15:25 |
| LanceHaig | we would also be happy to add that to an official repo as well | 15:25 |
| ricolin | LanceHaig, feel free to raise discuss about which cool stuff should goes to which repo:) | 15:26 |
| LanceHaig | the heat-lib is still a work in progress as we had to create it from scratch due to IP issues with customers | 15:26 |
| therve | LanceHaig, It's that mostly template stuff? | 15:26 |
| LanceHaig | also we started creating "solutions" based on the heat-lib to deploy complex applications with heat using just a few parameters | 15:27 |
| LanceHaig | therve, it is a library of templates that makes deploying things easier for users | 15:27 |
| LanceHaig | it has been useful for our customers | 15:27 |
| LanceHaig | we have seen adoption of heat as the deployment method increase since providing this | 15:28 |
| therve | Cool | 15:28 |
| LanceHaig | therve, it also has some software deployments for applications as well mysql apache reverse proxy etc | 15:28 |
| LanceHaig | as per our demo in Boston | 15:28 |
| LanceHaig | it is like a toolkit for new clouds | 15:29 |
| ricolin | #action LanceHaig and his team will help to join their force back to heat(which will be a great job) | 15:29 |
| LanceHaig | ricolin, I am not sure how to start the discussions you mention as I am a newbie OS project person | 15:29 |
| LanceHaig | I have just been a user until now | 15:29 |
| LanceHaig | happy to help | 15:30 |
| ricolin | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYNVsqBiqU&t=1399s | 15:30 |
| ricolin | LanceHaig, I think we can start from what ever you feel like to go first, and let's keep discuss every time we meet online and in person:) | 15:31 |
| LanceHaig | Ok cool | 15:32 |
| LanceHaig | I think we need to investigate testing templates as well | 15:32 |
| ricolin | also we got some guy from China said they will help on rolling upgrade with test and document it:) | 15:32 |
| LanceHaig | we chatted in the channel about it | 15:32 |
| LanceHaig | and I think it is important | 15:32 |
| LanceHaig | ok | 15:32 |
| ricolin | LanceHaig, I think we can do both template and tutorial, there definitely value there:) | 15:34 |
| ramishra | I like the idea of using heat-templates for out gate testing, but that would be good chunk of work to do | 15:34 |
| zaneb | ramishra, LanceHaig: let's focus on getting a gate that verifies the templates by calling 'heat template-validate' | 15:35 |
| ricolin | ramishra, +1 | 15:35 |
| LanceHaig | the heat-lib has some complex items like Lb cluster or resource group etc.. so i think that this could be useful way to test and provide users with examples and a library to use | 15:35 |
| ramishra | zaneb: I thought we already do that no? | 15:35 |
| LanceHaig | zaneb, +1 | 15:35 |
| zaneb | that'll be much better than what we have + much easier than actually spinning up all that stuff | 15:35 |
| zaneb | ramishra: afaik we only check that's it's valid YAML | 15:36 |
| therve | zaneb, No no we call validate | 15:36 |
| ricolin | zaneb, yes | 15:36 |
| gfidente | LanceHaig sorry I didn't go through the repo but is the library meant to deploy services (eg. mysql) or a set of resources (eg. two servers and a balancer) | 15:37 |
| zaneb | apparently opinions differ? :D | 15:37 |
| therve | We used to, at least. I wrote the support. | 15:38 |
| LanceHaig | gfidente, it does both | 15:38 |
| LanceHaig | therve, I can't see it in the box file | 15:38 |
| LanceHaig | therve, I can't see it in the tox file | 15:38 |
| therve | LanceHaig, Well yeah you can't use tox for validation | 15:39 |
| therve | It needs a running heat server | 15:39 |
| zaneb | there is a gate-heat-templates-dsvm job it appears | 15:39 |
| gfidente | LanceHaig so the target is to deploy a service but in doing so it might create a few resources working together? | 15:39 |
| therve | http://logs.openstack.org/15/460215/1/check/gate-heat-templates-dsvm/bdb0fca/console.html.gz#_2017-04-26_16_51_06_426047 | 15:39 |
| therve | It still calls the tool at least | 15:39 |
| ricolin | therve, okay good to know:) | 15:40 |
| LanceHaig | gfidente, there is a tests directory that can explain it better than I can :-) | 15:40 |
| zaneb | therve: "--ignore-errors", "99001" makes me wonder how much stuff is actually getting checked | 15:40 |
| therve | And http://logs.openstack.org/15/460215/1/check/gate-heat-templates-dsvm/bdb0fca/logs/screen-h-eng.txt.gz has some validation calls :) | 15:40 |
| therve | zaneb, A bit | 15:40 |
| ramishra | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/tools/post_test_hook.sh#L20 | 15:41 |
| therve | Adding neutron would be a good thing at least | 15:41 |
| zaneb | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-templates/tree/tools/validate-templates | 15:41 |
| therve | Maybe zaqar and mistral too | 15:41 |
| LanceHaig | I just found that | 15:41 |
| therve | ricolin, Can you add an action to add more services to that test run? | 15:42 |
| LanceHaig | We need to see what is ignored by --ignore-errors | 15:43 |
| therve | LanceHaig, http://logs.openstack.org/15/460215/1/check/gate-heat-templates-dsvm/bdb0fca/logs/screen-h-eng.txt.gz has some logs | 15:43 |
| LanceHaig | as I think some of it might be broken | 15:43 |
| ricolin | #action We should add more services to validate test run, at least Neutron Zaqar, Mistral | 15:44 |
| zaneb | LanceHaig: it ignores errors where you use a resource for a service that isn't in the catalog | 15:45 |
| LanceHaig | zaneb, ok | 15:45 |
| zaneb | (that's the error "99001") | 15:45 |
| LanceHaig | therve, thanks | 15:45 |
| zaneb | oddly, that's literally the only error that has a number | 15:45 |
| ricolin | We shall see what we can do before next week meeting:) | 15:45 |
| ricolin | LanceHaig, feel free to raise discussion any time in heat channel | 15:46 |
| ricolin | We're a global team 24H :) | 15:46 |
| ricolin | we only got 14 mins left shall we move to next topic now:) | 15:47 |
| LanceHaig | yup | 15:47 |
| zaneb | therve: I wonder if we can just set up a fake catalog with every service in it... it's not like we need them to be actually running to validate | 15:47 |
| ricolin | #Template Guide docs, location thereof | 15:47 |
| therve | zaneb, Interesting idea :). That would make the job much faster too | 15:47 |
| * therve got to go now | 15:47 | |
| LanceHaig | zaneb, +1 | 15:48 |
| ricolin | therve, thanks for join:) | 15:48 |
| zaneb | therve: o/ | 15:48 |
| ricolin | who now what this is about? | 15:48 |
| ricolin | the topic | 15:48 |
| zaneb | ricolin: #topic? | 15:48 |
| ricolin | @topic Template Guide docs, location thereof | 15:48 |
| ricolin | #topic Template Guide docs, location thereof | 15:48 |
| zaneb | fail | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Template Guide docs, location thereof (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:48 | |
| zaneb | I added this one | 15:48 |
| zaneb | I talked to asettle at the summit about moving the template guide out of the (Heat) developer-facing documentation (where nobody) can find it | 15:49 |
| zaneb | apparently the docs folks are planning to propose allowing projects to build user-facing docs from their own repos | 15:50 |
| zaneb | like we already do with the install guide | 15:50 |
| LanceHaig | This would be a good idea | 15:50 |
| zaneb | this seems like the way to go to me | 15:50 |
| ricolin | zaneb, +1 | 15:50 |
| zaneb | I'm not 100% clear on whether this will be the new way to build the existing user guide, or if this is in addition | 15:51 |
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| ricolin | We definitely got to move those user doc to where user feel comfortable to find it | 15:51 |
| zaneb | yeah | 15:51 |
| LanceHaig | ricolin, +1 | 15:52 |
| ricolin | zaneb, what you think is the first step as action of this | 15:52 |
| ricolin | zaneb, I see you already collect some info of heat doc for Alexandra Settle | 15:53 |
| zaneb | ricolin: I told her it sounded like a good plan to me. for now we can probably just wait for them to make the change | 15:53 |
| ricolin | see/saw | 15:53 |
| zaneb | ricolin: yes, I cc'd you on the emails so you already know about it | 15:54 |
| ricolin | zaneb, sure, so let's add more tutorial and wait | 15:54 |
| ricolin | zaneb, yes, just feel like to give her some better answer after this meeting | 15:54 |
| zaneb | ricolin: yeah, you can give the Official PTL response :) | 15:55 |
| ricolin | zaneb, which you already give it to her:) | 15:55 |
| ricolin | sure! right away sir! | 15:55 |
| ricolin | let's go to next topic before time's up! | 15:56 |
| ricolin | #topic Custom Resource type managed by Mistral Workflows (feedback/reviews) | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Custom Resource type managed by Mistral Workflows (feedback/reviews) (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:56 | |
| ricolin | gfidente, yours | 15:56 |
| gfidente | ricolin thanks | 15:56 |
| gfidente | so I am basically working on this spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/mistral-new-resource-type-workflow-execution | 15:56 |
| gfidente | togerher with a few heat folks already | 15:57 |
| gfidente | purpose is to make it possible to control a mistral workflow execution as part of the stack deployment | 15:57 |
| gfidente | that is, not with a signal after the stack has completed, but during the stack deployment and fail if the execution itself fails | 15:57 |
| zaneb | that's one interpretation ;) | 15:58 |
| gfidente | in doing so, we discussed a rather general approach for the new resource which allows for example triggering different workflows based on the action (create/update/...) | 15:58 |
| gfidente | zaneb right but this is sort of what I wanted to get to | 15:59 |
| gfidente | we're basically booked in tripleo on using it for the pike release | 15:59 |
| gfidente | so feedback/reviews on the submission are highly appreciated :) | 16:00 |
| ricolin | I think it's some great feature that now already approved, so feel free to help on review stuffs:) | 16:01 |
| gfidente | and that's all from me , unless you have questions | 16:01 |
| zaneb | gfidente: I haven't looked since patch set 9, is the env stuff implemented now? | 16:01 |
| gfidente | zaneb no indeed, I haven't added that yet as I didn't understand how to use execution environments in mistral | 16:02 |
| gfidente | now I think I figured, so it should be the last part missing | 16:02 |
| zaneb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267770/9/specs/pike/custom-resource-mistral-workflows.rst@84 | 16:02 |
| zaneb | ok | 16:03 |
| ricolin | gfidente, would be greate if you can find some where to document the entire stuff down | 16:03 |
| zaneb | gfidente: ping me when that's done & I will re-review | 16:03 |
| ricolin | s/greate/great | 16:03 |
| ricolin | okay we run out of time | 16:03 |
| zaneb | gfidente: to the extent that it's done, it all looks good to me so far | 16:03 |
| gfidente | zaneb++ thanks for reviewing it | 16:04 |
| gfidente | I miss tests | 16:04 |
| ricolin | let's move "heat-template future" to next week? | 16:04 |
| zaneb | ricolin: I thought we already talked about it? | 16:04 |
| zaneb | but we can come back to it next week | 16:05 |
| ricolin | zaneb, High chances:) | 16:05 |
| LanceHaig | yum ok | 16:05 |
| LanceHaig | yup even | 16:05 |
| ricolin | so we going to pass open discussion this week | 16:05 |
| ricolin | feel free to raise any discussion in #heat after meeting | 16:05 |
| ricolin | thanks all for join, and welcome on board guys:) | 16:06 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 17 16:06:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-05-17-15.00.html | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-05-17-15.00.txt | 16:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-05-17-15.00.log.html | 16:06 |
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