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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 13 17:02:26 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 17:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Hey, sorry we are on the wrong channel today | 17:02 |
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| BobBall | it's a much smaller channel | 17:03 |
| BobBall | :) | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Actions from last meeting | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:03 | |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall is mate around? | 17:04 |
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| matelakat | Hi | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | looking through actions from last week | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey | 17:04 |
| matelakat | I see. | 17:04 |
| BobBall | speak of the devil | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat you were going to check on the state of the docs wrt XenAPI | 17:04 |
| BobBall | I'd quite like a short meeting this week if we can | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | how did it go? | 17:04 |
| BobBall | or, more to the point, I'll have to leave early | 17:04 |
| BobBall | :) | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, no worries | 17:05 |
| matelakat | So still in progress, I fixed a small bug, and what I see that we have some "structural" problems around. | 17:05 |
| matelakat | At least that's my view. | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | do describe some? | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | as an example | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: is there news on an iSCSI timeout | 17:06 |
| matelakat | I just don't quite see the information flow properly by reading the doc. | 17:06 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy, you mean the attach issue when the iSCSI conn has gone away | 17:07 |
| BobBall | not yet I'm afraid | 17:07 |
| matelakat | So it is more a generic OS doc issue, than a XenAPI one. | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, it is quite a reference guide at the moment, but I am sure Anne and team will take feedback | 17:07 |
| matelakat | Yes, that's my plan to talk with anne about it. | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | what about XenAPI things, I reviewed the addition you made | 17:08 |
| matelakat | I am a bit confused around install - config | 17:08 |
| matelakat | Oh, yes, the cinder part. | 17:08 |
| matelakat | I was thinking about a feature list as well. | 17:08 |
| matelakat | we'll see. | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: they have monthly meetings, an email list and irc, I found email best before | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | what you mean install vs config? | 17:09 |
| matelakat | johnthetubaguy: y, Anne seems responsive. | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | you mean the install guide vs running guide? | 17:09 |
| matelakat | yes, install vs. config. | 17:09 |
| matelakat | let me show you an example. | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:10 |
| matelakat | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24081/ | 17:10 |
| matelakat | And now I linked to the config manual. | 17:10 |
| matelakat | But, anyhow, I am reading the docs, and getting a bit more familiar. | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:11 |
| matelakat | Oh, a q | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | that intro to xen bit goes in all the guides at the moment, but I guess you spotted that | 17:11 |
| matelakat | Regarding to that picture in the doc. | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:11 |
| matelakat | I think that internal comm. channel could be removed, right? | 17:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yep, it turned out not to be useful, use management network instead | 17:12 |
| matelakat | Okay. | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | the visio file is in the source, but I guess you saw that | 17:13 |
| matelakat | I was about to ask about that. | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | its in there somewhere, or should be | 17:13 |
| matelakat | I just need a visio :-) | 17:13 |
| matelakat | Any suggestion on the docs from anyone else? | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am sure bob can point you to a nice windows share for that | 17:14 |
| matelakat | sure. | 17:14 |
| BobBall | uhhhh lol | 17:14 |
| BobBall | windows? :) | 17:14 |
| BobBall | We'll see ;) | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going to do some work on an install guide, making it work on CentOS, but I am blocked with getting XCP going right now | 17:14 |
| BobBall | Are things progressing on that? | 17:15 |
| BobBall | or proper blockage? | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | XCP on CentOS is a right PITA but slowly tip toeing forward | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | will be in the Citrix office on Friday to bug mike | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, we are getting side tracked | 17:16 |
| matelakat | Good, pastry day. | 17:16 |
| matelakat | I guess we'll outsorce some QA work on the pastries. | 17:16 |
| BobBall | sure - just thought a very quick update would be good :) Maybe it should be on the agenda - it's very relevant to XenAPI after all :) | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action BobBall to update on iSCSI timeout when there is an update | 17:16 |
| BobBall | I'd rather have a deadline... | 17:17 |
| BobBall | :) | 17:17 |
| matelakat | Are we loosing focus? | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a separate IRC meeting for that, but feel free to ask me in Open Discussion | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am just moving it on now | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have covered all the actions from last time now | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:18 | |
| johnthetubaguy | keep updating the etherpad I guess | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | my summit talk has been rejected (the one on Xen) but obviously not hurd about design summit session yet | 17:18 |
| BobBall | shame! | 17:19 |
| matelakat | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/extended-diagnostics | 17:19 |
| matelakat | I added a link from Rachel. | 17:19 |
| matelakat | (sorry to hear the session rejection) | 17:19 |
| matelakat | Do you guys think, that the link could be useful? | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | you can come and hear it at CloudEast if you want to | 17:19 |
| BobBall | When/where is cloud east? Got a link? | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | cloudeast.net | 17:20 |
| BobBall | *grin* | 17:20 |
| BobBall | okay | 17:20 |
| BobBall | I could have googled. Sorry. | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, I think we spoke about that previously | 17:20 |
| matelakat | That's near. | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | extended diagnostics | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | good to look at anyways | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh I see your link now | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, partly useful | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | the thinking is how can we help opps guys find issues | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | metrics are obviously one way, and checking approprite heath | 17:22 |
| matelakat | ok | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so we covered that stuff | 17:22 |
| matelakat | sure, just wanted you to know about it. | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | make time to don thinking caps | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks | 17:23 |
| matelakat | next? | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Docs | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:23 | |
| johnthetubaguy | we have done this already | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs and QA | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs and QA (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:24 | |
| johnthetubaguy | I am looking at things around resize, we seem to fall over on two many error cases | 17:24 |
| BobBall | I think I mentioned it last time - but it's frustrating that there aren't any gating tests for multi-host devstack setups | 17:24 |
| BobBall | they hit us again today | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | looking at raising a few bugs and making a few fixes around disk sizes not matching flavours | 17:24 |
| BobBall | how would we go about trying to add some? | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | let me find you a link | 17:24 |
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| matelakat | resize. | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 17:25 |
| matelakat | Could we just talk about resize? | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 17:25 |
| matelakat | So what's the issue? | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | resize is failing in a nasty way when the instance disk has grown two big for the size it is moving to | 17:26 |
| BobBall | oh - it has to be external? Isn't there a repo somewhere with the normal gating builds? Thinking about what jenkins etc runs before it accepts the change | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | and it looks like the checks it are making are too long and too late | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: it is all external | 17:26 |
| matelakat | two bug = too big? | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: multi-server has not happened yet, but see summit sessions | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: oops, yes | 17:27 |
| BobBall | oh okay | 17:27 |
| matelakat | So if I resize to a size, that is too big, that fails? | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, resize to a flavor that is too small to fit the instance disk | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | its impossible sure, but it fails in a very aweful way | 17:28 |
| matelakat | And there is another bug. | 17:28 |
| matelakat | Around resize. | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | ? | 17:29 |
| matelakat | So if your flavor has 0 disk size - meaning, that it should get the image's size, you will get negative numbers. | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, yes, I have hit that one too earlier today | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | when you turn on auto disk size | 17:29 |
| matelakat | I might have a report on that... wait | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically you need to check for instance_type == 0 in the resize code, its missing from there | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | although that does seem a bit bad, hey ho. | 17:30 |
| matelakat | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1152268 | 17:30 |
| matelakat | I think spending some time around resize/migration is a good idea. | 17:31 |
| matelakat | It seemed to be a bit unstable for me as well. | 17:31 |
| matelakat | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1152714 | 17:31 |
| matelakat | #link https://github.com/citrix-openstack/qa/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/xslib/configure_for_resize.sh | 17:32 |
| matelakat | If anyone wants to start playing with resize. | 17:32 |
| BobBall | Should we be doing that, or devstack? | 17:32 |
| matelakat | johnthetubaguy: Could you include me in your bug reports? | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, the docs should be a bit clearer on that stuff | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: sure, I need to pin down the issue and raise them | 17:33 |
| matelakat | johnthetubaguy: I committed a change on that. | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | I saw one of those | 17:33 |
| matelakat | BobBall: I guess it needs to be done in devstack. | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | the wiki is probably out of date | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | and yet, it should be in devstack | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes^ | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | it keeps dropping off the radar | 17:33 |
| BobBall | okay | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyway, its an area to look at | 17:34 |
| matelakat | Y, good spot. | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | sometime we need to remove the need for the ssh transfer | 17:34 |
| matelakat | I had tempest-smoke running. | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, it did used to run | 17:34 |
| matelakat | And that's how I hit this resize area. | 17:34 |
| BobBall | yes - can be done by XSM now! | 17:34 |
| matelakat | And I have a really good stuff. | 17:34 |
| matelakat | john might be interested in this. | 17:34 |
| matelakat | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24297/ | 17:35 |
| matelakat | Please, +1 if you like. | 17:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall, maybe, its a bit tricky as we change the disk size, and things | 17:35 |
| matelakat | We have seen some nasty dmesg errors while playing with cinder (the dd bug) | 17:35 |
| matelakat | And it seems, that if we use kernel-virtual, we don't get those timeouts. | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, interesting | 17:36 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy, Can all be accomplished with XAPI changes and touching the VHD though can't it? | 17:36 |
| BobBall | i.e. XSM over to target host, then do the actual "resize" | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: have you tried 12.10? | 17:36 |
| BobBall | possibly still need pause/restart to re-attach disk since we can't do live resize, but that's much less time than pause+transfer+resume | 17:36 |
| matelakat | johnthetubaguy: not, but the main thing, is that -virtual is using the deadline I/O scheduler, whereas the -generic is using cqs | 17:37 |
| matelakat | And that's bad. | 17:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: we already do better than the long way, we do snapshot, transfer, shudown, transfer, resize | 17:37 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy, I know - the the final transfer step should be even shorter when you use XSM | 17:37 |
| BobBall | (because it's not transfer, just resize) | 17:38 |
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| BobBall | I have to run, sorry guys | 17:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: sure, this is true | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: OK | 17:38 |
| BobBall | See you tomorrow! | 17:38 |
| matelakat | see you Bob. | 17:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: all sounds odd, its a document Ubuntu bug though | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: have you tried 12.10 to see if it is fixed? | 17:39 |
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| matelakat | Let me dig out the original bug report. | 17:39 |
| matelakat | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1023755 | 17:39 |
| matelakat | Look at comment 62: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1023755/comments/62 | 17:40 |
| matelakat | So the message is, that linux-virtual seems to be fine. | 17:40 |
| matelakat | if you wanted to test it. | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | could update devstack to do that I guess | 17:41 |
| matelakat | I did. | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, cool | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks | 17:42 |
| matelakat | I just linked in the change, so +1 it if you like. | 17:42 |
| matelakat | devstack reviews seem to be slow. | 17:42 |
| matelakat | Do you know any reviewers, who might worth adding? | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a busy time | 17:42 |
| matelakat | :-) | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure for devstack these days, take a look at core | 17:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 17:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:42 | |
| johnthetubaguy | we are sort of doing this already | 17:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | is there anything else from people? | 17:43 |
| matelakat | not from me. | 17:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would echo the email form Anne about it being a great time for docs | 17:43 |
| matelakat | I have it. | 17:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | and I think Russel said friday should be a bug day | 17:43 |
| matelakat | y | 17:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | to concentrate the mind of folk who are not 100% bug fixing right now | 17:44 |
| matelakat | Oh | 17:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets wrap up | 17:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
| matelakat | One thing. | 17:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate) || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 17:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 13 17:45:00 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-03-13-17.02.html | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 17:45 |
| matelakat | ok. | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-03-13-17.02.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-03-13-17.02.log.html | 17:45 |
| matelakat | np. | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | fireaway | 17:45 |
| matelakat | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24318/ | 17:45 |
| matelakat | It might be useful for multi-node setup. | 17:45 |
| matelakat | At least it was required for me. | 17:46 |
| matelakat | If you are playing with migrate. | 17:46 |
| matelakat | So that's it. | 17:46 |
| matelakat | See you | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, just doing resize at the moment, but thanks for the hint! | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | see u | 17:46 |
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| sdake_ | #startmeeting heat | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 13 20:02:12 2013 UTC. The chair is sdake_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:02 |
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| sdake_ | hi folks | 20:02 |
| sdake_ | #topic rollcall | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| sdake_ | sdake here | 20:02 |
| * Slower_ here | 20:02 | |
| zaneb | I never knew such a thing existed | 20:02 |
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| shardy | shardy here | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | here | 20:02 |
| Slower | here | 20:02 |
| stevebaker_ | \o | 20:02 |
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| sdake_ | #topic go/no go on rc1 | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "go/no go on rc1 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:04 | |
| sdake_ | at the moment we have a few open bugs remaining in rc1 | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | in the project status meeting I had indicated we would be wrapped up by March 19th | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | I am free of work | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | give me bugs | 20:05 |
| sdake_ | lets go through unassigned bugs first | 20:05 |
| sdake_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1154759 | 20:05 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld you want to take that one | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:07 |
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| sdake_ | all yours | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131735 | 20:08 |
| shardy | I tested this today, cannot reproduce | 20:08 |
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| asalkeld | I never seen that either | 20:08 |
| shardy | close notabug? | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | ya | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | I wonder if that is some proxy caching on a GET | 20:08 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: could be | 20:09 |
| zaneb | this is one of those issues that "can't" happen | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | I'll change status to incomplete | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | i'll drop from rc1 milestone | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | I had gone through all the open bugs and added the ones to rc1 that made sense | 20:10 |
| zaneb | actually, I think I know what was probably the issue | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | lets go through in progress bugs - curious if they are actuallly fixed | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | zaneb could you add your thoughts on the bug? | 20:11 |
| zaneb | yep, doing it now | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1097843 | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | zaneb you indicated this was fixed in oslo | 20:11 |
| zaneb | sdake_: I submitted a patch for heat today | 20:12 |
| zaneb | to align the pip-requires with oslo | 20:12 |
| zaneb | (see last comment) | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | cool | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072949 | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | as I recall this bug was fixed with a recent review | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | zaneb can you change the bug state if fixed | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | not sure why the automatic review pushing working in this case | 20:14 |
| zaneb | sdake_: if somebody reviews the patch it will change automatically | 20:14 |
| zaneb | it is working | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24086/ | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | it says "MERGED" | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | yet the bug is in "In Progress" | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | we are branched now? | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | no branch yet | 20:15 |
| zaneb | ah, sorry, I was looking at previous bug still | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | 19th | 20:15 |
| zaneb | done | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1101347 | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | working on this one atm | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | ok, well I think that covers the actions needed on the bugs | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | the ones that are in triaged need work - so please wrap those up by 18th ;) | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | if your free of work you might try running the integration tests manually | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | just to make sure everything still functional | 20:18 |
| zaneb | sdake_: I added a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1131735 ... suggest setting to Incomplete | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | zaneb i did set to incomplete and removed from rc1 milestone | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | see scrollback | 20:19 |
| zaneb | ah, cool, hadn't refreshed | 20:19 |
| zaneb | sorry! | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | anyone else on bugs? | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | launchpad ftw ;) | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | should auto refresh | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | everyone else does it ;) | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | #topic boto removal from heat-cfntools | 20:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "boto removal from heat-cfntools (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:20 | |
| sdake_ | whoever added to agenda please speak up: | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | ) | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | So I've been working on a noboto branch of heat-cfntools to address https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat-cfntools/+bug/1133792 , progress can be seen here https://github.com/steveb/heat-cfntools/commits/noboto | 20:21 |
| shardy | and I've voiced some objections to pushing this in to a heat-cfntools release for grizzly | 20:21 |
| shardy | I support the idea of doing this, just worried about regressions around the grizzly release | 20:22 |
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| asalkeld | well, doing rest calls is not that tricky | 20:22 |
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| asalkeld | and I assume stevebaker is testing | 20:23 |
| shardy | asalkeld: We have a track record of repeatedly breaking our "killer features" | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | also cfn-tools is not released in sync with grizzly is it | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | we can release this as needed? | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | like in a month's time? | 20:24 |
| shardy | IMO we should be focussing on testing at this stage, not making a big change to a key component required by all of our most important functionality | 20:25 |
| shardy | but that's just IMO - I just think it'll be a huge fail if we end up breaking functionality around grizzly | 20:25 |
| Slower | is there another way to solve it? I notice the pypi comment.. | 20:25 |
| Slower | it is unfortunate it doesn't work on so many distros | 20:25 |
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| sdake_ | here is a suggestion | 20:26 |
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| sdake_ | release heat-cfntools as soon as possible | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | then introduce the boto change as an update once it has been tested | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | that way users have a fallback | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | atm they have no fallback | 20:26 |
| stevebaker_ | arg, I lost connection after I said "I think this ...", could someone repaste? | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | http://fpaste.org/W8qo/ | 20:27 |
| Slower | maybe for some cases it's just a packaging issue? most look like it's too old.. they just need to get teh dependencies right when packaging heat-cfntools? | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | sdake_: +1 | 20:27 |
| sdake_ | its more complicated then getting the dependencies right | 20:27 |
| sdake_ | because different distros have different ideas of what the correct dep version is for their use cases | 20:28 |
| Slower | yeah | 20:28 |
| Slower | common issue tho really | 20:28 |
| shardy | sdake_: +1 to releasing now with current fixes, then do another post de-boto-ification | 20:28 |
| stevebaker_ | I suspect that ubuntu just takes debian's boto, which is old | 20:28 |
| stevebaker_ | ok, and I assume we can release the noboto version "when it is ready" which could be pre or post grizzly depending on how review and testing goes? | 20:29 |
| sdake_ | stevebaker_ does that solution work for you | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | so I am fine with sdake_'s idea | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | anything else to discuss? | 20:30 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld wants to get to work it appears :) | 20:30 |
| sdake_ | #topic cloudinit integration of cfntools | 20:30 |
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| stevebaker_ | sdake_: can you just clarify the timeline of the cfntools release? | 20:31 |
| sdake_ | saw this gem in the bug list: | 20:31 |
| sdake_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1103811 | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | ya | 20:32 |
| sdake_ | agree with asalkeld we should be a bit proactive here | 20:32 |
| stevebaker_ | it is a very old, unactioned blueprint | 20:32 |
| zaneb | that blueprint is marked "deferred" | 20:32 |
| zaneb | there has been no activity | 20:32 |
| sdake_ | i wanted to bring it up to get people thinking about it | 20:33 |
| sdake_ | in my perfect world, heat-cfntools binaries would be distributed with cloud-init | 20:33 |
| sdake_ | question remians can we make that perfect world happen ;) | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | they have a lot of func, some say cloud-init is bloated | 20:34 |
| shardy | sdake_: Does that actually benefit us, as opposed to just installing them via cloud-init? | 20:34 |
| shardy | The two things have a very different release cadence currently | 20:34 |
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| sdake_ | not sure - people picky about what ends up on the vms (for cost reasons) | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | well most of the functionality of cfn is in cloud-init already | 20:35 |
| sdake_ | true we could make cfn-init work with cloud-init directly | 20:36 |
| sdake_ | but the other binaries? | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | signal | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | and push-stats | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | ya still need those | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | this make a good summit session | 20:37 |
| shardy | asalkeld: signal is just a curl call, but yeah need push-stats | 20:37 |
| sdake_ | agree | 20:37 |
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| sdake_ | asalkeld you mind proposing a summit session | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:37 |
| sdake_ | in other news, stevebaker's isp is imploding ;) | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | hah | 20:37 |
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| zaneb | I'm still in favour of forking aws-cfn-bootstrap, for the record | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: but if ubuntu doesn't come to the party we're back at step 1 | 20:38 |
| shardy | zaneb: I'm broadly in agreement with what you proposed fwiw | 20:38 |
| sdake_ | well lets have a summit session on the topic | 20:39 |
| sdake_ | see if any cloud init folks come and we can discuss some ideas around that | 20:39 |
| sdake_ | i'd prefer it all in one package | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | heaps of bikeshedding opertunity | 20:39 |
| sdake_ | my favorite color is blue | 20:39 |
| zaneb | btw, who is going to summit? | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | me | 20:40 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld, shardy, sdake | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | it would be nice to investigate using cloud-init functionality as a cfn-init replacement | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, need to send your opinion to use to put across | 20:40 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: it's in the mailing list post linked from that bug | 20:40 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld that didn't pass my parser | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | har | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | it's morning | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | i hear ya | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | ok so asalkeld to submit summit talk and take into account zaneb's views | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | let the bikeshedding begin :) | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | stevebaker re schedule (sorry missed your q above) | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | ( zaneb I meant in general - don't want you left out) | 20:42 |
| sdake_ | release heat-cfntools on 19th without boto but with bugs fixed in launchpad | 20:42 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: ah, gotcha | 20:42 |
| sdake_ | as version 1.2.0 or whatever you choose there | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | yep | 20:42 |
| sdake_ | then release the noboto version as 1.3.0 at some later date (could be days or weeks up to you) | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | ok, that sounds good | 20:43 |
| sdake_ | and stay on top of mailing list for bug reports | 20:43 |
| shardy | sdake_: you mean without *removing* boto ;) | 20:43 |
| sdake_ | ya thats what i meant | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yes | 20:43 |
| sdake_ | brain going ;) | 20:43 |
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| sdake_ | #topic open items | 20:43 |
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| sdake_ | heat-horizon has been xferred to stevebaker to work into getting it into the upstream horizon repo | 20:44 |
| sdake_ | dan radez just doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it | 20:44 |
| sdake_ | but his work is appreciated - he got it off the ground and its a good first stab | 20:44 |
| sdake_ | any qs? | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | I'll see if it still runs at some point | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | good luck | 20:44 |
| sdake_ | stevebaker in case my mail was unread by the list, you might send a notice indicating you are working on it to let the horizon guys know | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:45 |
| sdake_ | 15 minutes anything else? | 20:45 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb's parallel launch changes | 20:45 |
| shardy | sdake_: I'm on PTO from tomorrow, back next Wednesday | 20:45 |
| sdake_ | shardy enjoy :) | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | are we reviewing with the intent of them going in before grizzly? | 20:46 |
| zaneb | I'm also away Friday-Monday | 20:46 |
| sdake_ | seems like its just too late now | 20:46 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Again, should be a BP for havanna IMO | 20:46 |
| sdake_ | i'll -2 them so they don't pass through the gate | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | yea, bp | 20:46 |
| sdake_ | we have a summit session from clint on the parallel launch topic | 20:47 |
| zaneb | sdake_: when are we expecting grizzly to branch? | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | 19 | 20:48 |
| zaneb | cool | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | does that mean open season on features again? | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | I think so | 20:48 |
| zaneb | yes | 20:48 |
| zaneb | according to quantum post on ML today | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | I wonder what the process is for flagging something as backport-worthy | 20:49 |
| sdake_ | tell me and I'll backport it to the branch | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | you post to review | 20:50 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I went through it for g3 - you basically propose a patch to the milestone-proposed branch | 20:50 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: propose as review | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | on a special branch | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:50 |
| * shardy looks for the wiki link | 20:50 | |
| sdake_ | right | 20:50 |
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| sdake_ | yes open season, although I'd like the devs to take a good hard look at all the blueprints and merge where necessary | 20:51 |
| sdake_ | anything else? | 20:52 |
| sdake_ | ok thanks for coming | 20:52 |
| sdake_ | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 13 20:52:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-13-20.02.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-13-20.02.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-13-20.02.log.html | 20:52 |
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