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| IgorYozhikov | Hi there | 15:00 |
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| gokrokve | Hi | 15:00 |
| gokrokve | Who will start the meeting? | 15:00 |
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| tsufiev | hi! | 15:01 |
| tsufiev | gokrokve, Igor Marnat said that you should ) | 15:02 |
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| katyafervent | Hi! I can) Today we have a discussion day about what we have now and what we want to have in the future | 15:02 |
| ogelbukh | o/ | 15:03 |
| akuznetsova | hello everyone! | 15:03 |
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| tsufiev | actually, we have at least 3 discussions (maybe 4) | 15:03 |
| katyafervent | The discussion about metadata repository and linux agent will continue tomorrow | 15:03 |
| tnurlygayanov | #startmeeting murano | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 23 15:03:44 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tnurlygayanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 15:03 |
| gokrokve | #startmeeting Murano | 15:04 |
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| openstack | gokrokve: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:04 |
| tnurlygayanov | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 23 15:04:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-23-15.03.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-23-15.03.txt | 15:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-23-15.03.log.html | 15:04 |
| tnurlygayanov | #startmeeting Murano | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 23 15:04:40 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tnurlygayanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Murano)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 15:04 |
| gokrokve | Ok. Thanks Timur. | 15:04 |
| tnurlygayanov | #topic Linux Agent | 15:05 |
| katyafervent | Alex Tivelkov has a specification with metadata features and we will pick tommorow what we gonna implement first | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Linux Agent (Meeting topic: Murano)" | 15:05 | |
| gokrokve | Ok. | 15:05 |
| gokrokve | Was BP updated? | 15:06 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes | 15:06 |
| tnurlygayanov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/linux-agent | 15:06 |
| gokrokve | Great. | 15:06 |
| katyafervent | Also documentation has been improved, we have different installation descibed according type of document | 15:07 |
| tnurlygayanov | We have discuss this BP today and now we have the following vision of the implementation | 15:07 |
| gokrokve | Did you take into account a feedback from Joel and Munir? | 15:07 |
| katyafervent | Also documentation has been improved, we have different installation described according type of document | 15:07 |
| gokrokve | I bet you was in CC> | 15:07 |
| gokrokve | Are you guys using mobile version for IRC? | 15:08 |
| katyafervent | No) | 15:09 |
| gokrokve | Are you on planned activity today? | 15:09 |
| tnurlygayanov | This linux agent will contain 3 parts: 1. Agent, which will get messages from conductor and will call executors for each task from conductor; 2. Executors - these several components with one target - to parse JSON from agent and to perform tasks/scripts or recepies | 15:09 |
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| tnurlygayanov | 3. Execution plans | 15:09 |
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| gokrokve | Good. Do you plan to add a new "run-command" for linux or use the same with new attributes? | 15:10 |
| tnurlygayanov | gokrokve, yes, information about use cases was added to BP details | 15:10 |
| gokrokve | How it will affect workflow xml format? | 15:10 |
| gokrokve | ok | 15:10 |
| tnurlygayanov | it will no affect xml format of workflows, I belive that we can implement it without changes in workflows angine | 15:11 |
| tnurlygayanov | or? probably, with some updates | 15:11 |
| tsufiev | afair, we talked about 2 versions of workflow | 15:12 |
| tnurlygayanov | we plan to create new Python-based agent, which will executes new workflows via different executors for bash/puppet and etc. | 15:13 |
| gokrokve | ok. Engine will not be affected. That is good. | 15:13 |
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| gokrokve | What is a second version of workflow? | 15:13 |
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| tsufiev | i mean, it is possible for conductor to support old version and new one (if there will some changes due to linux agent) | 15:14 |
| tnurlygayanov | tsufiev, I belove that we can add some functionality for new workflows without changes of old workflows | 15:16 |
| katyafervent | btw, it's not crystal clear what we gonna execute on agent so this topic is open | 15:16 |
| tnurlygayanov | looks like we can implement this without versionig for workflows engine | 15:16 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent, yes, the discussion on workflows hasn't finished yet | 15:17 |
| tnurlygayanov | today on the IRC meeting we want to discuss what this linux agent shour run for the first version? | 15:18 |
| katyafervent | We can listen joel_c suggestion on that) | 15:19 |
| gokrokve | I think we need to support bash and puppet. | 15:19 |
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| tsufiev | gokrokve, you mean, in addition to python? | 15:20 |
| gokrokve | We had an offline conversation with Joel and Munir. | 15:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | if set executor as python | 15:20 |
| gokrokve | Linux agent should be able to run bash scripts and puppet manifests. | 15:20 |
| katyafervent | Will you share it later with us? | 15:21 |
| gokrokve | So you have to support at least two executor: bash and puppet. | 15:21 |
| tnurlygayanov | Joel, Georgy, Munir, do we have some information what we want to run? Bash scripts or puppet manifests? | 15:21 |
| tnurlygayanov | Ok, Thank you ) | 15:21 |
| tnurlygayanov | and also I have a questino about puppet manifests. Single-agent or agents with puppet server? Should we deploy puppet server? | 15:23 |
| tnurlygayanov | *question | 15:23 |
| joel_c | tnurlygayanov: I would keep it simple at first (no puppet server) | 15:23 |
| joel_c | my preference would be to be able to do a puppet apply | 15:24 |
| ogelbukh | as long your agent has ability to coordinate with others and conf db | 15:24 |
| ogelbukh | there is no need in puppet server | 15:24 |
| ogelbukh | in my understanding, at least | 15:24 |
| tnurlygayanov | Ok, Thank you, Joel | 15:24 |
| gokrokve | Hi Oleg. Yes we can orchestrate puppet on VMs. Murano conductor has most of abilities of mcollective. | 15:25 |
| gokrokve | Hi Joel, thank you for a feedback. | 15:25 |
| ogelbukh | so then puppet server just add tons of unnesseccary complexity | 15:26 |
| gokrokve | Am I right that you have some kind of automation around MariaDB? | 15:26 |
| gokrokve | ogelbukh: Totally agree. | 15:26 |
| joel_c | gokrokve: the automation we have for mysql (mariadb) depends on our dynamic nodes classifier | 15:27 |
| joel_c | gokrokve: but I can share the module with you as well as a sample nodes.pp | 15:28 |
| joel_c | gokrokve: if that helps | 15:28 |
| gokrokve | joel_c: ok. Share whatever you can. We will try to reuse it, or at least we will figure out what is your approach on automation. | 15:29 |
| gokrokve | Are we done with Linux Agent discussion? | 15:30 |
| gokrokve | tnurlygayanov: Timur, could you please update Linux Agent BP accordingly today's discussion? | 15:30 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes, I'm in progress ) | 15:30 |
| gokrokve | I would like to switch to Metadata server part. | 15:30 |
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| gokrokve | Did we prepare BP for metadata service? | 15:31 |
| tnurlygayanov | #topic Metadata server | 15:31 |
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| gokrokve | How is working on UI part of this feature? | 15:31 |
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| tnurlygayanov | yes, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/custom-workflows | 15:32 |
| gokrokve | I'd like to see some wireframes for UI before actual work. | 15:32 |
| gokrokve | good | 15:32 |
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| gokrokve | I see a dependency from combined roles. | 15:33 |
| gokrokve | Was this feature estimated? | 15:33 |
| tnurlygayanov | right now we do not plan new WebUi for workflows | 15:33 |
| tsufiev | gokrokve, we haven't yet estimated the amount of work on Metadata Repos UI | 15:33 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, we will send wireframes and will add screenshots to BP on launchpad | 15:33 |
| gokrokve | tnurlygayanov: ok. thanks. | 15:34 |
| gokrokve | tsufiev: We need to estimate all BPs accepted for the release 0.3 | 15:34 |
| tnurlygayanov | gokrokve, this BP not approved | 15:35 |
| tsufiev | gokrokve, yes, we will continue our planning of Metadata Repos tomorrow | 15:35 |
| gokrokve | Ok. Please finish all estimations tomorrow. We need to start implementing them. | 15:36 |
| tnurlygayanov | do we plan to move Murano WebUI from single tab to single partition? (like for Heat) | 15:37 |
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| katyafervent | Actually we do want to improve our UI and make service dependency clearly and easier to use | 15:37 |
| tnurlygayanov | looks like new WebUI for workflows will be more user-friendly with sevelar different tabs in WebUI | 15:38 |
| tnurlygayanov | *several | 15:38 |
| katyafervent | You mean to separate to dashboard not a panael in current Project? | 15:38 |
| tsufiev | one of the ideas is to free user of the necessity to remember chain of service dependencies (like in MS SQL Cluster - to create Cluster, you should create AD first) | 15:39 |
| gokrokve | We can do this. As I know Savana team adds new panel. | 15:39 |
| tnurlygayanov | katyafervent, yes | 15:39 |
| katyafervent | if we will have more panels (except environments) we can | 15:40 |
| gokrokve | tsufiev: How do you see this feature should look like? | 15:40 |
| katyafervent | need to think more about it keeping in mind to make work with UI easier and not "like everybody else" ) | 15:41 |
| tnurlygayanov | tsufiev, we can implement via pre-deployment https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/pre-deployment-testing | 15:41 |
| tnurlygayanov | realy, it will more simple and user-friendly. | 15:42 |
| katyafervent | tsufiev, has an idea about service dependency implementation will look like adding new user during tenant creation in horizon | 15:43 |
| tsufiev | gokrokve, this still has to be drawn in wireframes, but creating a tenant and a user (if there is not any) could be used as a starting point | 15:43 |
| tsufiev | tnurlygayanov, BP seems to address a different issue - checking services consistency at deploy phase | 15:44 |
| gokrokve | Ok. Please estimate everything. We need to plan our releases accordingly ETA. | 15:44 |
| katyafervent | Actually we can name our new dashboard " Murano Environments" and list all existing services there so user does not require to click on environments button | 15:44 |
| gokrokve | ok. | 15:44 |
| ogelbukh | this new panel, would it be a item in the tenant menu | 15:44 |
| tsufiev | tnurlygayanov, when I'm speaking about service configuration phase and forms validation | 15:45 |
| ogelbukh | or something else? | 15:45 |
| gokrokve | ogelbukh: Did you see Savana panel? It appears not in the left menu like Instances, Images... | 15:45 |
| tnurlygayanov | tsufiev, ok, cool, now I'm uderstand your idea ) | 15:45 |
| gokrokve | It appears at the top menu as an additional tab | 15:46 |
| ogelbukh | so next to the 'Project' one | 15:46 |
| ogelbukh | correct? | 15:46 |
| gokrokve | Yes. | 15:46 |
| katyafervent | yes) | 15:46 |
| ogelbukh | ok, I see now ) | 15:46 |
| ogelbukh | thanks | 15:47 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action update linux-agent BP with new information | 15:50 |
| gokrokve | Good. | 15:50 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action update workflows-service BP with new information | 15:50 |
| gokrokve | Do you have any questions? | 15:50 |
| katyafervent | I hope today we'l finish with the planning) | 15:50 |
| gokrokve | We have couple minutes for an open discussion. | 15:51 |
| tnurlygayanov | Yes, I have a question. Do we plan to implement this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/ha-for-power-shell-scripts for Murano relese-0.3 ? | 15:51 |
| tnurlygayanov | looks like we can do this and this is critical task for HA mode. | 15:52 |
| tnurlygayanov | It will implemented by Dmitry Teselkin and Igor Yozhikov | 15:53 |
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| tnurlygayanov | and also we should discuss plans for the next meeting - I belive that we will have some ideas of linux agent implementation and we can discuss details of this implementation. | 15:55 |
| ogelbukh | just as a last minute aside question | 15:58 |
| ogelbukh | did you think about project mission statement already? | 15:58 |
| ogelbukh | just in case, you know | 15:58 |
| gokrokve | It is being redefined. | 15:59 |
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| gokrokve | We think about misson. | 15:59 |
| gokrokve | So lets finish for today. | 15:59 |
| gokrokve | tnurlygayanov: please end the meeting | 15:59 |
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| gokrokve | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| gokrokve | #endmeeting murano | 16:00 |
| tnurlygayanov | #endmeeting murano | 16:00 |
| tnurlygayanov | #endmeeting Murano | 16:01 |
| tnurlygayanov | hm.. | 16:01 |
| tnurlygayanov | #endmeeting Murano | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 23 16:01:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-23-15.04.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-23-15.04.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-23-15.04.log.html | 16:01 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 16:14 |
| malini | \o/ | 16:16 |
| cppcabrera | woot | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | hey guys | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | sorry, dicussion in -infra re Pecan | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | let's get this thing going | 16:19 |
| cppcabrera | +1 | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 16:19 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 23 16:19:47 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:19 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:19 |
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| kgriffs | looks like Flaper87 is MIA so we will need to push off the API audit one more week. :p | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | otherwise | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | #topic actions from last time | 16:20 |
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| kgriffs | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-16-16.05.html | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | 1b. | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation/Graduation | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | done | 16:21 |
| cppcabrera | 3{g, h, i} all under review - implemented | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:23 |
| kgriffs | 3f - we decided to punt on cache backends for now and just use memcached | 16:23 |
| cppcabrera | +1 | 16:23 |
| kgriffs | but I am still planning to contribute to oslo.cache | 16:23 |
| cppcabrera | it | 16:24 |
| cppcabrera | it's fun to get new functionality in. oslo.cache is a pleasure to work with, so far. | 16:24 |
| cppcabrera | fwiw | 16:24 |
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| kgriffs | ok | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | moving on | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | #topic Bugs | 16:28 |
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| kgriffs | #link http://goo.gl/uKe5gp | 16:28 |
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| kgriffs | so, we need to get some traction on those high bugs | 16:30 |
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| kgriffs | which means, we need to get a bunch of pending patches merged | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | so we can move on to these other bugs | 16:30 |
| cppcabrera | oh yes. | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | malini: any new bugs to triage? | 16:30 |
| cppcabrera | I',m surprised the non-ascii name bug is still a thing. :P | 16:30 |
| malini | no new ones | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:31 |
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| kgriffs | #topic proxy status | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "proxy status (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:31 | |
| kgriffs | cppcabrera: ^^^ | 16:31 |
| cppcabrera | Phew, lots to report on that! | 16:31 |
| cppcabrera | lemme lay down the links | 16:31 |
| cppcabrera | I spoke to flaper87 this morning about the state of the proxy and we reached a consensus that the current approach to proxy dev is good. | 16:32 |
| cppcabrera | Namely, tracking issues and fixing them in later patches. | 16:32 |
| cppcabrera | The best news I have to give is that the proxy interface is solidifying | 16:33 |
| cppcabrera | This means that we'll be able to *actually* review a patch for what it is without worrying about whether particular issues are fixed in pending, child patches | 16:33 |
| cppcabrera | So first links - the storage driver impl. | 16:33 |
| cppcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47399/ (memory driver, interface, tests) | 16:33 |
| cppcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47402/ (mongodb driver) | 16:34 |
| cppcabrera | I received flaper87's blessing this morning on those two, with the caveat that issues are noted and addressed soon after. | 16:34 |
| cppcabrera | Issues are recorded here: | 16:34 |
| cppcabrera | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/marconi-proxy-issues | 16:34 |
| cppcabrera | Once those two patches are merged, things get closer to stability, and definitely so on the storage end. | 16:34 |
| cppcabrera | The remaining two feature patches are... | 16:35 |
| cppcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47475/ (move to oslo.cache) | 16:35 |
| cppcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47642/ (bootstrap, mirror queues transport structure) | 16:35 |
| cppcabrera | There are also several testing patches sitting in the review queue. | 16:35 |
| cppcabrera | So the tl;dr of the proxy status | 16:35 |
| cppcabrera | #info The proxy is stabilizing | 16:36 |
| cppcabrera | #info The most recent feature patches need review | 16:36 |
| cppcabrera | Ah, one more thing! | 16:36 |
| cppcabrera | I put together a spec document this morning to 1) facilitate review and 2) have documentation on this thing | 16:36 |
| cppcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/proxy/v1 | 16:36 |
| cppcabrera | The next steps on it are to address issues that are discovered through review and toughen up the testing. | 16:37 |
| cppcabrera | Any questions or thoughts? | 16:37 |
| ametts | malini: You putting together proxy tests based on cppcabrera's wiki link above? | 16:37 |
| amitgandhi | has testing begun (in other words, has this been deployed to test env yet?) | 16:38 |
| malini | ametts: SInce it is a behind the scenes thing, the functional tests remain unchanged | 16:38 |
| malini | we'll run perf tests with proxy & make sure we dont see 404s etc | 16:38 |
| cppcabrera | amigandhi: it's not yet set up on a test env, though I worked with oz_akan on that on Friday | 16:39 |
| ametts | malini: What about the register partition/list partition calls, etc. | 16:39 |
| ametts | ? | 16:39 |
| malini | I missed those :-$ ..will add tests for those | 16:40 |
| cppcabrera | +1 malini - thanks! | 16:40 |
| amitgandhi | proxy forwarding endpoints need to be kept up to date with marconi endpoints correct? | 16:40 |
| cppcabrera | that's correct, amitgandhi. | 16:40 |
| ametts | kgriffs: Looks like flaper87 has signed off on some of these proxy patches -- you think you can review them soon? | 16:40 |
| cppcabrera | As long as the routes match, all the proxy does is send the request along. | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | ametts: yep | 16:41 |
| * amitgandhi wonders if marconi proxy can be standalone and renamed something more generic - OpenStack Proxy lol | 16:41 | |
| cppcabrera | amitgandhi: not a chance, haha. It performs some marconi specific handling in some intercepted routes. :P | 16:42 |
| cppcabrera | namely, the queue portion of it | 16:42 |
| amitgandhi | ok | 16:42 |
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| kgriffs | cppcabrera: rough estimate of size of work remaining? | 16:42 |
| * ametts was just about to ask that | 16:43 | |
| cppcabrera | it's feature complete as of the last link pending, so... | 16:43 |
| cppcabrera | testing and docs remain | 16:43 |
| ametts | cppcabrera: You said "stabilizing", not "stable". :) | 16:43 |
| ametts | Just testing and bug fixing then? | 16:43 |
| cppcabrera | yes, except for possibly host black listing | 16:44 |
| cppcabrera | which means - a host is removed from a partitions list of valid hosts if it fails a certain number of times | 16:44 |
| ametts | Looks like Jenkins barfed on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47642/ | 16:44 |
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| cppcabrera | I suspect jenkins is being weird on that one (I'm not sure why). I just issued a recheck request. | 16:45 |
| cppcabrera | so back to that estimate - | 16:45 |
| cppcabrera | between a week and two weeks of testing | 16:46 |
| cppcabrera | which includes some wiggle room for bug fixes | 16:46 |
| cppcabrera | there will be bugs | 16:46 |
| cppcabrera | I guarantee it. :P | 16:46 |
| ametts | But if the code is written, we can have more people swarming on testing+bug fixes methinks. | 16:46 |
| cppcabrera | +1 ametts | 16:47 |
| cppcabrera | it gets much easier now that we have a core proxy to build on | 16:47 |
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| cppcabrera | (jenkins is happy now) | 16:47 |
| amitgandhi | swarming on testing, bug fixing, benchmarking | 16:47 |
| cppcabrera | we haven't laid out any actions this time... >.> | 16:48 |
| cppcabrera | #action kgriffs to review pending proxy patches | 16:48 |
| ametts | Ok, looks like all eyes are on kgriffs now to get these reviewed -- so the rest of us have something to test against. | 16:48 |
| * ametts is calling the airlines to tell them he can't board the plane until this is done | 16:49 | |
| kgriffs | LOL | 16:49 |
| * amitgandhi wonders what kgriffs will do for 2.5 hours on the plane other than reviews | 16:49 | |
| * kgriffs has *no idea* | 16:49 | |
| cppcabrera | lol | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 16:50 |
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| kgriffs | anything else? | 16:50 |
| cppcabrera | hmm... | 16:51 |
| kgriffs | BTW, the Pecan vs. Falcon thing sort of blew up again over the past few days | 16:51 |
| cppcabrera | +1 for discussing the reqs on -infra, kgriffs. | 16:51 |
| amitgandhi | everyone is against falcon? | 16:52 |
| ametts | kgriffs: Were there any conclusions? | 16:52 |
| kgriffs | TL;DR they were worried we were going to not use Pecan "just because" it would be "too hard to switch" | 16:53 |
| kgriffs | I reassured them that nothing could be further from the truth, that we are planning on writing a Pecan driver during incubation, and if it is awesome and fast enough we will use it | 16:53 |
| kgriffs | if it can't do what we need, we will either help to fix Pecan or there will need to be some consensus in the broader community that it's OK to have 3 frameworks in OpenStack (Pecan, Falcon, swob) | 16:54 |
| ametts | I didn't realize that part of Marconi was plugable? Or would this be an alternate "transport | 16:54 |
| ametts | " driver? | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | alternative transport | 16:54 |
| * ametts just realized we could benchmark Marconi with Falcon against Marconi with Pecan if we had that. | 16:55 | |
| cppcabrera | wsgi_falcon, wsgi_pecan | 16:55 |
| kgriffs | Personally, I am promoting objectivity and pragmatism. I think that what a project uses should be based on that, within reason of course | 16:55 |
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| kgriffs | I understand the benefits of minimizing dependency chaos, and not reinventing the wheel. However, you shouldn't sacrifice important requirements in a project for that; seems like there should be a happy medium | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | anyway, we will continue to discuss and I'm sure we can get everyone involved to agree to a reasonable outcome. | 16:57 |
| ametts | kgriffs has a bee in his bonnet. :) | 16:57 |
| * kgriffs feels like a politician | 16:57 | |
| kgriffs | heh | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | so, last thing - | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | I got approval to get a hash function in as an exception to the freeze on global-reqs. | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | HOWEVER | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | we need to check out crc32 and perhaps siphash to be sure that mmh3 is what we want to use. | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | I promised to look into that and get back to -infra | 16:58 |
| amitgandhi | btw which marconi talk was approved (link?) | 16:58 |
| ametts | cool beans | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | (1 minute) | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | anyone have the link handy? | 17:00 |
| cppcabrera | no. :/ | 17:00 |
| ametts | There wasn't a link in the acceptance email. Might not be posted yet. | 17:01 |
| kgriffs | ok, well, they were basically dupe's so not a big deal | 17:01 |
| kgriffs | anything else? | 17:01 |
| kgriffs | (out of time) | 17:01 |
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| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 23 17:03:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-23-16.19.html | 17:03 |
| kgriffs | thanks guys! | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-23-16.19.txt | 17:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-23-16.19.log.html | 17:03 |
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| colinmcnamara | Colin Present | 19:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 23 20:00:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 20:01 |
| sarob | roll call | 20:01 |
| colinmcnamara | Colin Present | 20:02 |
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| sarob | im thinking that we go ahead, open and close this one down, reopen for 7pm tues as planned | 20:03 |
| sarob | since we are the only ones here | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | I second that | 20:04 |
| sarob | righto | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | 7PM Tuesday evening PDT it is | 20:04 |
| sarob | best meeting all day ;) | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | so, positve note | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | well, negative and positive note | 20:04 |
| colinmcnamara | so, last time I covered the burn down chart, with a late oct end date | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | I had the dates wrong, it was mid december | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | but | 20:05 |
| sarob | yeeees | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | so, with the focus on increased activity | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | and increasing the cards per day | 20:05 |
| * sarob fans himself to not pass out | 20:05 | |
| colinmcnamara | even with adding of 8 new cards this week | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | the estimated end date is mid november now | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | which is a great sign | 20:05 |
| colinmcnamara | (estinated via a rolling average of cards burned) | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | so, that is really really positve | 20:06 |
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| sarob | ill pump out all of the roles cards this week | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | so, one thing that we should probably do | 20:06 |
| sarob | if we can figure out the rst to xml | 20:06 |
| sarob | thing | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | is put them in the backlog | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | and then agree to move cards into this sprints backlog | 20:06 |
| colinmcnamara | formally | 20:06 |
| sarob | which? | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | so, 8 new cards got created | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | just being properly scrumy | 20:07 |
| sarob | pranav cards? | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | umm not sure | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | just saying, when new work gets added to a a sprint | 20:07 |
| sarob | right understand | 20:07 |
| colinmcnamara | the best process is to add them to the backlog, and then figure out whether they are appropriate for this time box | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | just trying to maintain velocity | 20:08 |
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| sarob | yup | 20:08 |
| sarob | burndown to meet the x axis good | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | and then we initiate the next sprint | 20:08 |
| sarob | any ideas on rst to xml? | 20:08 |
| colinmcnamara | I'v been on the road for the past 4 days. got home last night | 20:09 |
| sarob | docbook generation of xml sounded promising | 20:09 |
| sarob | got it | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | there are a couple tools that I have been playing with | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | pandoc | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | one java one | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | trying to find the optimal way | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | while knocking out cards | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | trying to focus on knocking out 2 cards a day | 20:09 |
| colinmcnamara | I figure if each of us can do that | 20:10 |
| colinmcnamara | we can get massive shit done | 20:10 |
| sarob | so what is the current best way to get dev content into training guides? | 20:10 |
| sarob | scrape for now? | 20:10 |
| sarob | then include when possible? | 20:11 |
| colinmcnamara | umm. | 20:12 |
| colinmcnamara | I have pandoc working | 20:12 |
| colinmcnamara | well, halfway working | 20:12 |
| colinmcnamara | I can do a one time push form dev docs to xml / docbooks 4.5 | 20:13 |
| sarob | rst in, xml out? | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | yeah | 20:13 |
| sarob | good with me | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | yeah, I'm probably 75% there | 20:13 |
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| sarob | source in training-guide/source/nova-dev... | 20:13 |
| colinmcnamara | yeah, again | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | 75% there | 20:14 |
| colinmcnamara | the pandoc tool is creating docbook 4.5 code | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | isn't nesting everything, so you end up with imporperly formed XML in oxygen | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | not sure it is the perfect way | 20:15 |
| sarob | better than scraping? | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | yes.. | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | again, 75% there | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | we still have a bunch of xi:include files | 20:15 |
| colinmcnamara | to be done | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | I'd like to do it right | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | vs doing it over | 20:16 |
| sarob | fixing can be a future sprint bug | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | still | 20:16 |
| sarob | we need to get a product out the door | 20:16 |
| colinmcnamara | I agree, but we have to be careful about creating a technical debt | 20:17 |
| sarob | if i can munge the docbook 4.5 xml in a repeatable way, that doable | 20:17 |
| colinmcnamara | again, the last 25% is still to be one | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | done | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | but once that is worked out | 20:18 |
| sarob | is dcramer around? | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | not sure, this is my first day back in the office | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | i'm juggling a bit | 20:18 |
| sarob | no prob | 20:18 |
| sarob | what can i do to help with pandoc? | 20:18 |
| colinmcnamara | try experimenting with the rst-docbooks | 20:19 |
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| colinmcnamara | and see if you can get the generated XML to properly xi:include | 20:19 |
| sarob | got any notes? | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | let me check | 20:19 |
| sarob | dump that into etherpad if you do | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | https://www.evernote.com/shard/s5/sh/05b183ba-1944-4b6a-8b14-f1f0d69577e1/f4c4f44c240e679a34af30a631dac246 | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | really rought | 20:19 |
| colinmcnamara | rough | 20:19 |
| sarob | got it, fine | 20:20 |
| sarob | ill start here | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | pandoc is part of docutils | 20:20 |
| sarob | agreed to dump the xml source under /training-guide/sources/? | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | I was experimenting with futzing with the header | 20:20 |
| sarob | xml output rather | 20:20 |
| colinmcnamara | well, it can output raw xml or docbook | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | docbook keeps the images included | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | which is good | 20:21 |
| sarob | well docbook xml is what i meant | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | the other way i was thinking | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | which may be better | 20:21 |
| colinmcnamara | is to figure out how to xi:include html | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | pointing to the h[1-3] tags | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | as sections | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I think both are possible | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | that btw, is why I said 75% | 20:22 |
| sarob | i can write some python or bash to automagically fix | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | I was trying to manually fix first | 20:22 |
| colinmcnamara | again, 75% | 20:23 |
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| sarob | do a quick brain dump to your note and I will work on it today | 20:23 |
| sarob | i have to run, gots a few things to take care of, i set aside an hour to focus on this | 20:24 |
| sarob | then dinner movie with the wife | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | nice | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | smart move | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | mine leaves town at 6am tomorrow | 20:24 |
| rev | g'day sarob and colinmcnamara | 20:24 |
| colinmcnamara | hey rev | 20:24 |
| sarob | yoyo rev | 20:25 |
| rev | ohai | 20:25 |
| sarob | gots to close this out. next meeting at 7pm tuesday. | 20:26 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 23 20:26:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-09-23-20.00.html | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-09-23-20.00.txt | 20:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-09-23-20.00.log.html | 20:26 |
| sarob | you guys keep talking though! | 20:26 |
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| colinmcnamara | I need to bounce to | 20:26 |
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| rev | sarob the next meeting you refered to is in SF? I don't see it on my meetup. But I don't go to SF mtg | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | IRC meeting | 20:27 |
| colinmcnamara | we are moving the team meetings from 1:00 PM PDT | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | to 7:OOPM PDT on tuesdays | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | to better engage our international peers | 20:28 |
| rev | 7pm tuesday? Oh! for worldwide considerations. | 20:28 |
| rev | gto it | 20:28 |
| colinmcnamara | exactly | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | better for australia and india | 20:29 |
| rev | yup | 20:29 |
| rev | hell for Europe though. | 20:29 |
| colinmcnamara | yes, | 20:29 |
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| rev | fyi: good article on a reasonable alternative to docbook: http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/09/html5-is-the-future-of-book-authorship.html | 20:32 |
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| colinmcnamara | interseting | 20:37 |
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| rev | @colinmcnamara, yeah. Given all the trouble y'all have had with XML, using HTML5 seems to be a great idea to me | 20:39 |
| rev | Of course "the proof is in the pudding" | 20:39 |
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| colinmcnamara | though, specifically to this project | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | the goal of aligning to, and improving source docs | 20:44 |
| colinmcnamara | we need to stick with whatever tool is used for docs | 20:44 |
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| rev | Yeah. but it is good to know there may a long term alternative. | 20:45 |
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