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| jomara | jcoufal: hello! | 18:58 |
| jcoufal | jomara: hey buddy | 18:58 |
| lsmola_ | hola | 18:58 |
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| jcoufal | I believe and hope, that shadower will take care of this meeting :) | 18:59 |
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| jomara | ooooh ok | 19:00 |
| tzumainn | as long as it's not jomara! | 19:00 |
| jcoufal | if not, we will give the privilege to tzumainn :) | 19:00 |
| shadower | hey | 19:01 |
| lifeless | o/ | 19:01 |
| tzumainn | hiya shadower! | 19:01 |
| lsmola_ | lol | 19:01 |
| marios | hi | 19:01 |
| lsmola_ | hello | 19:01 |
| jcoufal | _o/ | 19:01 |
| rpodolyaka | hi | 19:01 |
| jcoufal | tzumainn was saved :) | 19:01 |
| shadower | #startmeeting Tuskar | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 24 19:01:28 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shadower. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Tuskar)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tuskar' | 19:01 |
| shadower | okay, this'll hopefully be quick | 19:01 |
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| shadower | #topic Discuss merger with TripleO including meeting time moving to this slot. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss merger with TripleO including meeting time moving to this slot. (Meeting topic: Tuskar)" | 19:02 | |
| shadower | most of you know this but: Tuskar is becoming a part of the TripleO program! | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | \o/ | 19:02 |
| jcoufal | +1111 | 19:02 |
| julim | hi | 19:02 |
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| shadower | I'm stepping down as the Tuskar PTL and there will be general PTL elections on Friday I believe | 19:03 |
| shadower | lifeless: will the Tuskar devs be elligible for voting? | 19:03 |
| jcoufal | shadower: are we keeping Tuskar name? | 19:04 |
| lifeless | shadower: That will be up to the ajudicating election officials, but I will argue that they should be. | 19:04 |
| shadower | cool | 19:04 |
| shadower | jcoufal: I believe so -- unless there are any objections? | 19:04 |
| shadower | jcoufal: our repos still need names | 19:04 |
| shadower | might as well keep the existing ones | 19:04 |
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| jcoufal | yeah, I just wanted to make sure | 19:04 |
| jomara | yeah, i think keeping the tuskar name for the api/ui makes sense | 19:04 |
| shadower | we can always change it | 19:05 |
| tzumainn | shadower, can you send an updated invite to the triple-o weekly meeting once the time is decided? | 19:05 |
| shadower | (quantum -> neutron etc) | 19:05 |
| lifeless | tuskar as the code name for the ui and api projects is neither here nor there IMO; changing names right now would be disruptive, and HK Is right around the corner. | 19:05 |
| shadower | tzumainn: yup | 19:05 |
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| SpamapS | repos and projects != "OpenStack Programs" .. so I don't think anything gets "renamed" | 19:05 |
| shadower | yea | 19:05 |
| tzumainn | is documentation/wiki going to remain separate? | 19:05 |
| lifeless | we may want to move the tuskar repos into openstack at the next opportunity -infra has. | 19:05 |
| lifeless | documentation and wiki should be integrated together | 19:05 |
| shadower | yeah | 19:06 |
| shadower | lifeless: I saw some work on switching to sphinx | 19:06 |
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| shadower | in -incubator at least | 19:06 |
| lifeless | yup | 19:06 |
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| tzumainn | shadower, lifeless, will the logistics of that be worked out at the next triple-o meeting or. . . ? | 19:06 |
| shadower | Tuskar should do the same I reckon | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | tzumainn: how do you mean? | 19:06 |
| tzumainn | merging the wiki/documentation | 19:07 |
| tzumainn | or should we just kinda do it? | 19:07 |
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| lifeless | tzumainn: so the program definition should be fine as is but perhaps needs a tweak; the list of projects needs to be expanded, and anything in the Tuskar /program/ namespace needs to move; things in the Tuskar /project/ namespace are fine. | 19:08 |
| tzumainn | lifeless, I admit that I don't quite understand the distinctiion | 19:09 |
| shadower | we didn't make much of that distinction when we started. Program is TripleO -- i.e. OpenStack Deployment | 19:09 |
| tzumainn | but documentation wise, we only have the Tuskar wiki pages and documents within our git repo | 19:09 |
| shadower | tripleo-incubator, diskimage-builder etc. are projects belonging to the same program | 19:10 |
| tzumainn | ah, got it | 19:10 |
| shadower | tuskar repos will be another projects belonging to TripleO program | 19:10 |
| shadower | lifeless: can we merge sphinx docs from multiple repos? | 19:10 |
| lifeless | tzumainn: Program is an effort aimed at a mission; Project is a code base. | 19:10 |
| shadower | I think that's what tzumainn is getting at | 19:10 |
| tzumainn | so concretely, the Tuskar wiki, does that move under TripleO/Tuskar or something? | 19:10 |
| lifeless | shadower: oh, I thought tzumainn was asking about wiki. | 19:10 |
| shadower | lifeless: yeah but I'm not sure he understands what the move to sphinx implies | 19:11 |
| shadower | tzumainn: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/ | 19:11 |
| shadower | that's docs generated from a bunch of files in the nova repo | 19:11 |
| shadower | unless I'm mistaken | 19:11 |
| shadower | tripleo is going to do the same | 19:11 |
| shadower | right? | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | shadower: I don't think we can merge different repos into one spinc output; we may want a dedicated 'deploying openstack' set of dev docs and user docs ... of course such things exist so we'll want to work with annegentle and update them appropriately. | 19:12 |
| lsmola_ | yes | 19:12 |
| lsmola_ | shadower, same with the horizon http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/ | 19:12 |
| shadower | right | 19:12 |
| shadower | tzumainn: so probably, eventually, some of our docs will move to wherever the rest of tripleo sphinx docs end up | 19:12 |
| tzumainn | shadower, okay, got it | 19:13 |
| lifeless | it sounds like a little guidance is needed | 19:13 |
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| shadower | yeah | 19:13 |
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| lifeless | So lets suggest that someone spend the next week poking at the tuskar and tripleo docs and wiki pages and create a blueprint outlining whats needed and where it should go | 19:14 |
| shadower | sounds good | 19:14 |
| jcoufal | +1 | 19:14 |
| tzumainn | +1 | 19:14 |
| shadower | tzumainn: want to have a look at that? | 19:14 |
| lifeless | we can vet that when it's ready (either at the meeting or just via the list) and that then provides structure | 19:14 |
| lsmola_ | +1 | 19:14 |
| tzumainn | shadower, sure | 19:14 |
| shadower | #action tzumainn to look at the current docs and wiki pages and document what should go where | 19:15 |
| shadower | regarding blueprints and bugs: those are tracked against each project in their respective launchpad pages | 19:15 |
| shadower | I think that's pretty clear but I wanted to explicitly state that | 19:15 |
| lifeless | I have a thought about blueprints | 19:15 |
| shadower | let's hear it | 19:15 |
| lifeless | since blueprints will often be cross-project | 19:15 |
| lifeless | e.g. tuskar-ui + -api + tripleo-image-elements | 19:16 |
| shadower | yeah | 19:16 |
| lifeless | perhaps blueprints should be in just one place | 19:16 |
| lifeless | e.g. /tripleo | 19:16 |
| shadower | fine by me | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | +1 one place | 19:16 |
| lifeless | so we don't lose track of them all | 19:16 |
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| shadower | #agreed put all blueprints under one launchpad account (tripleo) | 19:17 |
| lifeless | LP isn't super good at coordinating blueprints across a subset of an organisation, only the whole org or one project. | 19:17 |
| shadower | yea | 19:17 |
| lsmola_ | yeah | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | especially given the likely dependency chains we should see between say, templates<->api<->ui | 19:17 |
| shadower | lifeless: do you want to send an announcement regarding the merge? Just to make it official to the community | 19:17 |
| lifeless | shadower: certainly, I was holding off for the tuskar folk that weren't at the sprint to chime in | 19:18 |
| lifeless | shadower: I will send an announcement today | 19:18 |
| lsmola_ | cool | 19:18 |
| shadower | lifeless: cool, thanks. Sorry I missed yesterday's meeting, I hit the pillow before it happened | 19:18 |
| tzumainn | is there a place for people to send the wedding presents? | 19:18 |
| shadower | (jetlag) | 19:18 |
| shadower | haha | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | note that I was at the summit, and did not notice the merger happening ;) | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | s/summit/sprint/ | 19:18 |
| lifeless | tzumainn: New Zealand :) | 19:18 |
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| tzumainn | lol | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | speaking of .nz .. | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | if we move to this time slot.. we're making lifeless start at 0700 | 19:19 |
| lifeless | Thats fine until daylight savings kicks in. | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | ah then its 0600? | 19:19 |
| lifeless | At which point I think we'll want to flip it by 12 hours or so | 19:19 |
| lifeless | Or perhaps send me to more conferences | 19:20 |
| lifeless | I dunno :) | 19:20 |
| lsmola_ | hehe | 19:20 |
| shadower | haha | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | Yeah we'll just keep you within 8h of UTC and it will be fine | 19:20 |
| lifeless | But, we have a bunch of people here, so we need to minimise the crazy-hours; I'm just one perhaps :) | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | its only, what, half the year? :p | 19:20 |
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| lifeless | s/perhaps/person/ | 19:20 |
| shadower | so in case anyone missed that: the tripleo sprint will be moving to this day and time, i.e. Tuesday 7pm UTC | 19:21 |
| shadower | at least until now | 19:21 |
| lifeless | If we get some folk in India/Australia/China contributing regularly it will be harder. | 19:21 |
| shadower | s/until/for/ | 19:21 |
| lifeless | I will update the global meeting page and merge the agendas | 19:21 |
| shadower | thanks | 19:21 |
| shadower | any more questions/notes regarding the merge? | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | huzzah | 19:22 |
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| shadower | Tuskar folks, feel free to go through devtest, file bugs and do reviews on TripleO | 19:22 |
| shadower | moving on | 19:23 |
| shadower | #topic Finish up last week's voting https://etherpad.openstack.org/tuskar-naming | 19:23 |
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| shadower | I'm not sure how helpful this will be -- I wouldn't be surprised if things changed now that the UI's mission expanded a bit | 19:23 |
| shadower | but it's only a couple of terms, it will help the UX folk and we can always change them later | 19:23 |
| shadower | https://etherpad.openstack.org/tuskar-naming | 19:24 |
| shadower | #startvote How should we name Flavors in Tuskar? (flavors, flavor_templates, flavor_definition, instance_type, instance_configuration, configuration_template, configuration_profile) | 19:25 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: How should we name Flavors in Tuskar? Valid vote options are , flavors, flavor_templates, flavor_definition, instance_type, instance_configuration, configuration_template, configuration_profile, . | 19:25 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:25 |
| shadower | for a bit of background | 19:25 |
| shadower | these things will end up being Nova Flavours | 19:26 |
| lifeless | There are two sets of flavors right? Baremetal flavors and Overcloud flavors | 19:26 |
| marios | #vote flavors | 19:26 |
| lsmola_ | lifeless, yes | 19:26 |
| marios | lifeless: right, baremetal flavors aren't exposed via tuskar | 19:26 |
| marios | (right now anyway) | 19:26 |
| lifeless | one specifies particular exact hardware machine configs, and one the vm configuration | 19:26 |
| shadower | lifeless: yeah, what we're talking about here are the overcloud flavors | 19:26 |
| marios | lifeless: so flavors in tuskar refers to overcloud | 19:26 |
| shadower | however, we define them in the UI at a point where they may not exist in the overcolud yet | 19:26 |
| shadower | they're tied to the resource classes (each resource class may have their own flavors) | 19:27 |
| matty_dubs | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:27 |
| openstack | matty_dubs: overcloud_flavors is not a valid option. Valid options are , flavors, flavor_templates, flavor_definition, instance_type, instance_configuration, configuration_template, configuration_profile, . | 19:27 |
| lifeless | ok; so just to note that as Tuskar gets better at deploying underclouds, we'll need to differentiate between these concepts. | 19:27 |
| shadower | think m1.small, m1 large | 19:27 |
| shadower | yeah | 19:27 |
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| lifeless | shadower: certainly | 19:27 |
| jcoufal | #vote flavor_definition | 19:27 |
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| lsmola_ | #vote flavors | 19:27 |
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| lifeless | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:27 |
| openstack | lifeless: overcloud_flavors is not a valid option. Valid options are , flavors, flavor_templates, flavor_definition, instance_type, instance_configuration, configuration_template, configuration_profile, . | 19:27 |
| lsmola_ | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:28 |
| openstack | lsmola_: overcloud_flavors is not a valid option. Valid options are , flavors, flavor_templates, flavor_definition, instance_type, instance_configuration, configuration_template, configuration_profile, . | 19:28 |
| matty_dubs | We've got so many options, but not the one I want :'( | 19:28 |
| shadower | I'll count tohse options manually | 19:28 |
| lsmola_ | that sounds good actually | 19:28 |
| jcoufal | shadower: you want to stop and start voting again with overcloud_flavors option | 19:28 |
| jcoufal | ? | 19:28 |
| jomara | i think i like overcloud flavors | 19:28 |
| jomara | more precision | 19:28 |
| shadower | looks like a consensus is a-brewin' | 19:28 |
| jcoufal | ok | 19:28 |
| shadower | okee then | 19:28 |
| shadower | #endvoting | 19:29 |
| jcoufal | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:29 |
| openstack | jcoufal: overcloud_flavors is not a valid option. Valid options are , flavors, flavor_templates, flavor_definition, instance_type, instance_configuration, configuration_template, configuration_profile, . | 19:29 |
| marios | #vote flavors | 19:29 |
| shadower | #endvote | 19:29 |
| openstack | Voted on "How should we name Flavors in Tuskar?" Results are | 19:29 |
| openstack | flavors (2): marios, lsmola_ | 19:29 |
| openstack | flavor_definition (1): jcoufal | 19:29 |
| marios | oops too soon | 19:29 |
| julim | #vote flavor_definition | 19:29 |
| julim | sorry a bit late to vote | 19:29 |
| shadower | julim: it'll start again | 19:30 |
| shadower | people came up with overcloud_flavors | 19:30 |
| shadower | #startvote How should we name Flavors in Tuskar? (flavors, flavor_templates, flavor_definition, instance_type, instance_configuration, configuration_template, configuration_profile, overcloud_flavors) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: How should we name Flavors in Tuskar? Valid vote options are , flavors, flavor_templates, flavor_definition, instance_type, instance_configuration, configuration_template, configuration_profile, overcloud_flavors, . | 19:30 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:30 |
| lifeless | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:30 |
| rpodolyaka | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:30 |
| matty_dubs | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:30 |
| marios | #vote flavors | 19:30 |
| tzumainn | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:30 |
| lsmola_ | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:30 |
| julim | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:30 |
| shadower | #vote flavor_definition | 19:30 |
| shadower | jomara: ^ | 19:31 |
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| jomara | #vote overcloud_flavors | 19:31 |
| jomara | shadower: :) | 19:31 |
| jcoufal | #vote flavor_definition | 19:31 |
| noslzzp | ouch. | 19:31 |
| shadower | anyone else? | 19:31 |
| jomara | noslzzp: no likey? | 19:31 |
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| noslzzp | I'm indifferent here. | 19:31 |
| jcoufal | jomara: no likey here :) | 19:31 |
| matty_dubs | Hardware Profile? | 19:32 |
| marios | :) | 19:32 |
| shadower | #endvote | 19:32 |
| openstack | Voted on "How should we name Flavors in Tuskar?" Results are | 19:32 |
| openstack | flavors (1): marios | 19:32 |
| openstack | flavor_definition (2): shadower, jcoufal | 19:32 |
| openstack | overcloud_flavors (7): rpodolyaka, julim, tzumainn, lifeless, matty_dubs, jomara, lsmola_ | 19:32 |
| matty_dubs | Maybe FrontEndHardwareProfile and BackEndHardwareProfile? | 19:32 |
| shadower | matty_dubs: that was daring | 19:33 |
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| shadower | #agreed Tuskar Flavors will be renamed to Overcloud Flavors | 19:33 |
| lsmola_ | heh | 19:33 |
| matty_dubs | shadower: It's in my job description to periodically suggest terrible ideas. | 19:33 |
| lsmola_ | hehe | 19:33 |
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| lsmola_ | and also entertain us | 19:33 |
| lsmola_ | :-D | 19:34 |
| shadower | coming up: Management Node | 19:34 |
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| * noslzzp enjoys his front row seat to the MattyDubs show. | 19:34 | |
| shadower | which I believe is a fancy name for the undercloud node? | 19:34 |
| shadower | lifeless: do you happen to have any term for that yet? OTher than the "undercloud node" | 19:35 |
| jcoufal | shadower: yeah, the primary/main, whatever it is called | 19:35 |
| jomara | if we call something an 'overcloud flavor' | 19:35 |
| shadower | which I'm fine with but the over/undercloud terminology will probably be confusing to the people | 19:35 |
| jomara | wouldnt it be good to consistently use those terms | 19:35 |
| jcoufal | shadower: +1 | 19:35 |
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| shadower | on the other hand, we just agreed on "overcloud flavors" so whatever | 19:35 |
| jcoufal | the same for flavors | 19:35 |
| lifeless | shadower: what is an 'undercloud node' ? | 19:35 |
| shadower | lifeless: a box running the undercloud | 19:36 |
| lifeless | shadower: do you mean the current all-in-one undercloud control plane + bm hypervisor ? | 19:36 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: node which contains undercloud services | 19:36 |
| shadower | lifeless: yeah | 19:36 |
| rpodolyaka | can't we have more than one node in undercloud? | 19:36 |
| shadower | rpodolyaka: we can and very likely want to | 19:36 |
| shadower | at least for HA purposes | 19:36 |
| jcoufal | rpodolyaka: I believe it is possible (e.g. for high availability) | 19:36 |
| lifeless | we don't have a specific term for it; in aggregate we refer to it as the 'Undercloud' or 'Undercloud control plane' | 19:36 |
| lifeless | note that as we scale an undercloud there will be some N machines | 19:36 |
| shadower | yeah sure | 19:37 |
| lifeless | e.g. we might grow swift + nova-bm or swift + Ironic | 19:37 |
| lifeless | etc etc | 19:37 |
| jcoufal | yeah | 19:37 |
| shadower | jcoufal: do we actually have that term in the UI anywhere? | 19:37 |
| matty_dubs | Is 'Node' not specific enough? | 19:37 |
| lifeless | I'm not sure it makes sense to refer to the all-in-one initial node specially, except in the context of bootstrapping the undercloud. | 19:37 |
| rpodolyaka | what I was trying to say, we can have plenty of those and each would be differrent | 19:37 |
| jcoufal | shadower: nope, there was none in POC | 19:37 |
| matty_dubs | Too easily confused with undercloud nodes, maybe? | 19:37 |
| jcoufal | shadower: the only thing is that we should distinguish regular management node and that one which contains undercloud | 19:38 |
| shadower | jcoufal: shall we drop this from the vote then? Is it really necessary to assign a name now? | 19:38 |
| shadower | jcoufal: what's the difference? | 19:38 |
| shadower | whats' a regular management node | 19:38 |
| jcoufal | shadower: currently called 'leaf management node' | 19:38 |
| lsmola_ | jcoufal, the one that got cancelled? | 19:39 |
| shadower | jcoufal: oh. Well that's another vote down the road and that won't have much of an undercloud in it | 19:39 |
| shadower | so we can just pick a name for that | 19:39 |
| jcoufal | right | 19:39 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: whts a 'regular management node' ? | 19:39 |
| jcoufal | lsmola_: was leaf management node cancelled? | 19:40 |
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| jcoufal | lifeless: it was management node in the rack, but based on lsmola_'s node, it was cancelled lately | 19:40 |
| shadower | lifeless: a node of the undercloud. He wants to differentiate that with a term from the architecture Keith described on Thursday | 19:40 |
| lsmola_ | jcoufal, i believe there was a long discussion about that today | 19:40 |
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| shadower | I wouldn't say cancelled -- it's quite possible that will be one of the architectures we'll end up supporting | 19:41 |
| noslzzp | so lifeless, the naming scope here is in relationship to having some "presence" in the logical rack.. | 19:41 |
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| shadower | but unlikely the default one | 19:41 |
| lsmola_ | jcoufal, and no one likes it, it won't be default setup, but a possible architecture probably | 19:41 |
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| shadower | logical racke being an l2 network | 19:41 |
| noslzzp | shadower, correct. | 19:41 |
| shadower | could be a part of a rack, a single rack or multiple racks | 19:42 |
| noslzzp | so assuming that, we have a "primary management node" and a "leaf management node" (within that L2 domain). | 19:42 |
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| noslzzp | so we are discussing names for those elements.. | 19:42 |
| jcoufal | shadower: I'm sorry I was a bit out of news this day. So I think with this changes, should we wait until we have stable architecture plans? | 19:42 |
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| shadower | jcoufal: sounds very reasonable to me | 19:42 |
| noslzzp | sure, we can wait. | 19:42 |
| lsmola_ | agree | 19:42 |
| lifeless | +1 on deferring; we probably need a couple of reference architectures to be able to describe sensible terms | 19:43 |
| shadower | yeah | 19:43 |
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| lsmola_ | maybe matty_dubs will come with something cool later | 19:43 |
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| lifeless | If that 2-undercloud-nodes per L2 domain thing is what I think it is, they are peers not primary/secondary. | 19:43 |
| jcoufal | shadower: so let's end with flavors voting and the rest we can have a look later | 19:44 |
| noslzzp | lifeless, maybe, maybe not.. | 19:44 |
| shadower | jcoufal: sounds good to me | 19:44 |
| jcoufal | and let's call it with some general terms until then | 19:44 |
| lifeless | noslzzp: tell me more after the meeting ? | 19:44 |
| shadower | no more votes! | 19:44 |
| tzumainn | so if I understand the outcome correctly | 19:44 |
| tzumainn | this should contain the agreed upon terms: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tuskar/Glossary#Resource_.28Rack_and_Node.29 | 19:44 |
| noslzzp | lifeless, absolutely. | 19:44 |
| shadower | tzumainn: looks legit | 19:44 |
| tzumainn | awesome | 19:45 |
| shadower | #topic Open discussion | 19:45 |
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| lifeless | tzumainn: for reference; thats probably a page that wants to move under TripleO, as it's cross-project | 19:45 |
| tzumainn | lifeless, yep, that makes sense! | 19:45 |
| tzumainn | it'll be in my doc blueprint or whatever | 19:45 |
| shadower | lifeless: will the next tripleo meeting move to this day of the week and time or will it be in the original slot? | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | the next tripleo meeting is here, in 24*7h-24m time. | 19:46 |
| jcoufal | General announcement: Tomorrow at 2:30 pm UTC there will be discussion about Tuskar states | 19:46 |
| jcoufal | will be probably recorded hangout, whoever is interested, I'll send the link in channels | 19:47 |
| lifeless | Could you also send to the -dev list? | 19:47 |
| lifeless | IRC backscroll can be quite lossy | 19:47 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: I'll send invitation announcement + link to the youtube recording | 19:48 |
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| jcoufal | for the hangout invitation (unfortunately limited by 10 people) I believe IRC might be fine | 19:49 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: sounds good? | 19:49 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: thanks! Yes, for the hangout IRC is fine | 19:49 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: great | 19:49 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: It's largely self interest for me; I want to keep on top of whats going on, but in UTC+1200 I can't attend the thing itself. | 19:49 |
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| rpodolyaka | guys, fyi, I've been working on patches to tripleo-image-elements and tripleo-heat-templates to make it easy to use tuskar in undercloud (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47589/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47790/). This requires some changes in tuskar (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47826/). I think, we should have something like modified TripleO devtest guide, that would allow to test Tuskar | 19:50 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: sure and I'm very sorry for that timing, it will be pretty difficult for sync times, but that's reason for recording | 19:50 |
| shadower | rpodolyaka: I'll have a look at the patches tomorrow. Thanks a lot for getting involved! | 19:50 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: it will be general discussion which can be followed in mailing list / irc if you have some thoughts around | 19:50 |
| rpodolyaka | shadower: thanks! | 19:50 |
| jomara | that works for me | 19:51 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka: Having a devtest story that includes Tuskar makes a lot of sense. | 19:51 |
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| rpodolyaka | lifeless: should be fairly easy, when we have tuskar-* elements | 19:52 |
| jcoufal | Another general announcement: Soon(-ish) I'll send POC wireframes to the dev- mailing list so that all the people can get overview about what is happening in the UI | 19:52 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka: one thing we might want to do is have something that drives tuskar via the API, so the CLI testability aspect of the story is preserved. | 19:53 |
| matty_dubs | Nice | 19:53 |
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| lifeless | rpodolyaka: It would be nice to remove the duplication we currently have between heat template management in the CLI story and the Tuskar story | 19:53 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka: and I see that as related | 19:53 |
| rpodolyaka | lifeless: tuskar has sample_data script. I think, we can start from this | 19:53 |
| shadower | lifeless: what's the latest on enabling the gating jobs? | 19:54 |
| rpodolyaka | lifeless: I used it to test tuskar deploying overcloud | 19:54 |
| lifeless | shadower: the broad brushstrokes plan has been approved just now in #openstack-meeting | 19:54 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka: cool | 19:54 |
| shadower | awesome | 19:54 |
| shadower | okay, 6 more minutes | 19:54 |
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| lifeless | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2013-September/000252.html | 19:55 |
| lifeless | https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-test-cluster | 19:55 |
| lifeless | If anyone wants to dive on this and help, I'd be delighted to drill into more planning detail | 19:55 |
| shadower | cool | 19:55 |
| shadower | lifeless: is LXC still happening though? Could that reduce the mem footprint | 19:55 |
| shadower | ? | 19:55 |
| lifeless | nope | 19:56 |
| shadower | oh well | 19:56 |
| lifeless | LXC is a no-go due to iscsid using netlink | 19:56 |
| lifeless | and netlink not being namespaced | 19:56 |
| shadower | ok | 19:56 |
| lifeless | so - anyone wanted to push the gating of tripleo and nova-bm forward, please ping me or pleia2 | 19:56 |
| lifeless | and we can identify a unit of work they can do to help | 19:57 |
| shadower | jomara: ^ | 19:57 |
| * SpamapS was pulled away for a second by meatspace issues. did I hear template stuff? | 19:57 | |
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| jomara | dang | 19:57 |
| shadower | jomara: not assigning work to you for the record. But I thought you might be interested | 19:57 |
| jomara | shadower: the lxc setup was what you were telling me about before right? i was looking forward to less memory requirements | 19:59 |
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| shadower | jomara: I was telling you about this effort (tripleo gating) in general | 19:59 |
| shadower | nothing lxc specific | 19:59 |
| lifeless | sadly lxc would only ever has saved seed node space | 19:59 |
| jomara | ahh ok | 19:59 |
| jomara | you had mentioned something that would lessen the memory requirements | 19:59 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: unless we went crazy and simulated pxe booting an lxc container :) | 19:59 |
| lifeless | you can reduce memory footprint by treating the seed as the undercloud and going straight to overcloud, if you're focused on overcloud | 19:59 |
| shadower | jomara: one of the lo-mem ideas was to go from seed to overcloud directly | 19:59 |
| lifeless | and contrary-wise skip the overcloud if you want to focus on undercloud stories | 20:00 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: loco man, loco | 20:00 |
| shadower | this should be fine for most of the tuskar stories for now | 20:00 |
| shadower | and with that, time's up folks! | 20:00 |
| shadower | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 24 20:00:38 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tuskar/2013/tuskar.2013-09-24-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tuskar/2013/tuskar.2013-09-24-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tuskar/2013/tuskar.2013-09-24-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| shadower | thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| marios | goodnight :) | 20:00 |
| rpodolyaka | night, all! | 20:01 |
| lsmola_ | thanks, night | 20:01 |
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| jcoufal | thanks, see you tomorrow | 20:01 |
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