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| ativelkov | #startmeeting murano | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 7 15:02:44 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 15:02 |
| ativelkov | Hi guys | 15:02 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 15:03 |
| akuznetsova | Hello everybody | 15:03 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi! | 15:03 |
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| dteselkin | Hi! | 15:03 |
| tsufiev | hello! | 15:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | hi | 15:03 |
| ativelkov | Seems like I've forgotten to write today's agenda in advancу | 15:03 |
| ativelkov | sorry about that | 15:03 |
| ativelkov | let's do it on the fly | 15:04 |
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| ativelkov | let's start with the progree review for this week, then we'll discuss Linux Agent and Metadata Repository progress, and then let's have an open discussion on any other questions | 15:04 |
| gokrokve | hi | 15:05 |
| gokrokve | Good. Lets start then. | 15:05 |
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| ativelkov | Do we have Timur Nurlygayanov online? | 15:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | for now Linux agent works with simple execution plan, i'm just writing test execution plan | 15:06 |
| akuznetsova | timur is coming | 15:06 |
| gokrokve | Can we create a simple workflow to install MariaDB? | 15:07 |
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| ativelkov | I've never tried it | 15:08 |
| ativelkov | If it is simple, then we definetly can | 15:08 |
| ativelkov | Actually, we discussed it today, and thought that we may start with something as simple, as just running some "sudo apt-get install mc" on a linux node | 15:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | I working on telnet server | 15:09 |
| ativelkov | just to demonstrate that we can run some orbitrary shell | 15:09 |
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| ativelkov | at least this can be done till the Wednesday progress0demo | 15:09 |
| ativelkov | More usefull scenarios can be developed later. I am not sure that we will be фидк to properly debug them | 15:10 |
| ativelkov | able*, sorry | 15:11 |
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| ativelkov | tnurlygayanov: can you give us some update on this week's progress? | 15:12 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes | 15:13 |
| tnurlygayanov | on this week we have fixed several critical issues with release 0.2.11 | 15:13 |
| tnurlygayanov | also new web page was implemented: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/web-page-for-images-registration | 15:14 |
| tnurlygayanov | on this week the simple linux agent with all fixes was created and now we can build cirros image with agent by the following documentation: https://github.com/stackforge/murano-deployment/tree/master/cirros | 15:17 |
| ativelkov | That is actually not a real agent. I would rather call it a stab | 15:17 |
| gokrokve | Do we have document with instructions how to build Linux image for Murano? | 15:17 |
| ativelkov | because it does not follow the Murano-Agent specification | 15:18 |
| ekarlso | how goes the workflow stuff ? | 15:18 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes, we have the documentation and scripts on the page https://github.com/stackforge/murano-deployment/tree/master/cirros | 15:18 |
| tnurlygayanov | ativelkov, eyes, but we can try and test it | 15:19 |
| ativelkov | ekarlso: what exactly do you mean by workflow stuff? | 15:19 |
| dteselkin | This document describes only CirrOS image for demo scenario. A comprehensive Linux image builder guide still not exists. | 15:20 |
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| ativelkov | so, let's proceed - about the full-grade Linux Agent | 15:23 |
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| ativelkov | slagun has imlemented the first version of it | 15:23 |
| ativelkov | Stan, could you describe what you have done in some more details? | 15:24 |
| slagun_ | First of all I've written a specification on how vNext agent should look like | 15:24 |
| slagun_ | inputs and output formats etc | 15:24 |
| ativelkov | Is this document published now? | 15:25 |
| slagun_ | I've created initial version of vNext agent that hah vNext execution plan format suuport and capable of executing bash scripts and external executables with commandline provided | 15:25 |
| slagun_ | it can also capture stdout and stderr | 15:25 |
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| slagun_ | The document is published on the wiki and Linux agent blueprint was updated | 15:26 |
| slagun_ | I've also upgraded murano-conductor to support vNext execution plan templates | 15:26 |
| slagun_ | So now we are ready to start developing some sample Linux-specific service. Maybe even demonstrate mixed environment with both Windows and Linux | 15:27 |
| ativelkov | Here is the link to the wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/UnifiedAgent | 15:28 |
| ativelkov | That sounds great | 15:28 |
| gokrokve | ekarlso: Hi. Murano supports workflows already. We have some limited set of DSL commands to be used in workflows. Most of them were heat specific and windows specific, like create heat template and run powershell function from script | 15:28 |
| gokrokve | Right now we are extending DSL language to support commands specific to Linux. | 15:29 |
| gokrokve | ekarlso: Murano-conductor is an engine to process workflows. This is one of the Murano components. | 15:30 |
| ativelkov | Also, we have started work over Metadata repository | 15:31 |
| ativelkov | We have approved a specification and published it in our wiki space | 15:31 |
| ativelkov | it is available at wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/SimplifiedMetadataRepository | 15:31 |
| ativelkov | We have created a task breakdown for it, submitted the tasks as launchpad blueprints - and already started working on them | 15:32 |
| ekarlso | gokrokve: will you guys use taskflow or ? | 15:32 |
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| ativelkov | ekarlso: that is currently being discussed | 15:33 |
| gokrokve | Yes. We are evaluating taskflow library. | 15:33 |
| ekarlso | anything bad with it since only evaluating ? :) | 15:33 |
| gokrokve | At the same time we see that murano-conductor can be used as taskflow as a service. | 15:33 |
| tsufiev | we have some ideas on how to modify our workflow to fit it into taskflow concepts | 15:34 |
| gokrokve | We spent only one week on it. | 15:34 |
| slagun_ | Today we had a discussion on this | 15:34 |
| tsufiev | currently they are not 100%-compatible | 15:34 |
| ekarlso | wasn't there a service also | 15:34 |
| ekarlso | that was going to be a workflow as a service ? | 15:34 |
| gokrokve | No. I saw only proposal for Convection, but nothin is implemented as I know. | 15:34 |
| ekarlso | that was what I meant : ) | 15:35 |
| gokrokve | Taskflow as a service actually suppose to have some DSL to describe tasks and their flow. | 15:35 |
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| sergmelikyan | Guys from TaskFlow currently working on distributed task execution, as core feature for Convection | 15:35 |
| gokrokve | That is exactly what we have: Murano-conductor - dsl egine | 15:35 |
| slagun_ | It seems that parts of Murano vNext may contribute a Convections implementation | 15:35 |
| ativelkov | Actually, today we had a productive design session on the next generation Murano-conductor state machine | 15:36 |
| ativelkov | and it seems like this state machine can be decoupled from Murano's core functionality and contributed to some other task-management solution | 15:37 |
| tsufiev | it would be interesting to make a prototype of new murano-conductor which employs TaskFlow library... | 15:37 |
| ativelkov | so, we may contribute this to Convection - if it fits our goals (and if our approach fits their goals, of course) | 15:37 |
| ekarlso | :P | 15:37 |
| ekarlso | is convection started or ? | 15:38 |
| gokrokve | Yep. We plan to start converstaion with Convection team immideately. | 15:38 |
| ekarlso | i didn't think it was started even... | 15:38 |
| gokrokve | it is not started yet. | 15:39 |
| gokrokve | We plan to meet with a person who submitted the proposal. | 15:39 |
| ekarlso | harlowja ? ;) | 15:39 |
| rakhmerov | the main point here is that Murano can perfectly fit into Convection concept once it's reworked in a certain way. And we're now discussing how exactly | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | more specificly, murano conductor | 15:41 |
| ativelkov | And even more specifically, the state machine of the murano conductor | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 15:42 |
| ativelkov | because right now the conductor consist of the state machine and the tools and APIs to communicate with OpenStack services (such as Heat) and Murano Agents (running on the Virtual Machines) | 15:42 |
| ativelkov | So, the idea is to separate this state machine and make it complete unaware of the tasks which is schedules | 15:44 |
| ativelkov | When we have defined the concept of this state machine, it looked very similar to what was announced for the Convection | 15:45 |
| ativelkov | so, probably we can contribute this | 15:45 |
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| tsufiev | it started to look similar to Convection proposal once we broken the loop in conductor's workflow | 15:47 |
| ativelkov | Yes. | 15:48 |
| gokrokve | ekarlso: Yep. I think I saw his contacts osmewhere. | 15:48 |
| tsufiev | and got an idea how to make conductor's state explicit | 15:48 |
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| ativelkov | And this may become also a good point for Heat team as well | 15:48 |
| ativelkov | If they want to orchestrate the complex software deployments, they will need to do similar things | 15:49 |
| ativelkov | and they do not need to reinvent the task scheduling tool on their own | 15:49 |
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| igormarnat_ | So we need also to discuss and determine proper place for it (component) | 15:50 |
| ativelkov | igormarnat_: which component do you mean? Convection-like engine? | 15:52 |
| igormarnat_ | Yep. Need to understand how to split the levels of abstraction and find the proper place for each | 15:52 |
| ativelkov | igormarnat_: you may look at our whiteboard right now: it has exectly this diagram | 15:53 |
| ativelkov | but we'll need to share it with the community, of course | 15:53 |
| igormarnat_ | This is what I meant, yah | 15:54 |
| igormarnat_ | So I guess we need couple of days to wrap it into the blueprints and send out | 15:55 |
| ativelkov | Good | 15:56 |
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| ativelkov | so, the #action is to summarize the new state machine concept and consider its possible contribution to Convection or some other library | 15:57 |
| igormarnat_ | Exactly. 3 mins left, anything else to discuss? | 15:57 |
| ativelkov | we have 3 minutes left, so if we do't have any AIs to log, then let's finish the meeting | 15:57 |
| ativelkov | Probably not | 15:58 |
| ativelkov | Ok, thanks everybody | 15:58 |
| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 7 15:58:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-10-07-15.02.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-10-07-15.02.txt | 15:58 |
| rakhmerov | it feels like we've disscussed the main things | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-10-07-15.02.log.html | 15:58 |
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| igormarnat_ | Ok, bye for now. | 15:59 |
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| fvollero | et hop | 16:02 |
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| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 7 16:03:31 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | No actions to speak of from last time | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | so, let's just skip that one today | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | next up... | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | #topic •Review Graduation BPs/Bugs | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "•Review Graduation BPs/Bugs (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:04 | |
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| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation/Graduation | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | so… I think we are still stalled on the SQLAlchemy driver? | 16:05 |
| alcabrera | I believe so. flaper87? | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | waiting on a certain someone to get back from holiday? | 16:05 |
| alcabrera | that's what I last heard. :) | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: client library? | 16:07 |
| zyuan | what's the target guraduation date? | 16:07 |
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| kgriffs | I want to apply for graduation at least 6 weeks prior to Icehouse | 16:08 |
| alcabrera | flaper87|afk: must be struggling with vpn again... :( | 16:08 |
| zyuan | when si Icehouse... -_- | 16:08 |
| fvollero | alcabrera: yeah, most probably | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | The date at the top of that wiki page should give a lot of headroom | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | I mean, iirc, it is a 7-8 weeks before | 16:09 |
| alcabrera | zyuan: icehouse is th ename of the next openstack official release | 16:09 |
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| zyuan | i know. looking up when | 16:09 |
| megan_w | sorry to be late, meeting ran over | 16:09 |
| kgriffs | I am guessing when it will be, since the official date is not determined yet | 16:09 |
| zyuan | \!!! | 16:09 |
| alcabrera | afaik about the client libraries, flaper87|afk has managed to get it to the point where a low-levelm transport-agnostic API exists, and it can send requests. | 16:09 |
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| zyuan | well... | 16:09 |
| kgriffs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Releases | 16:09 |
| kgriffs | In the past it has been mid april | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | back | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: exactly | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | woot | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | :( | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: client progress? | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-marconiclient/+spec/python-marconiclient-v1 | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: sooo | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | I'm already capable fo QUERYING MARCONIIIIII!!!! | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | w00000000t | 16:11 |
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| kgriffs | QUERY ALL THE THINGS!!!!!! | 16:12 |
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| flaper87 | As for now, I've already implemented qet_queue_metadata, queue_exists and queue_create | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | :D | 16:12 |
| flaper87 | I'll finish implementing other queue methods and push this for review | 16:12 |
| megan_w | awesome | 16:12 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: that's awesome! :D | 16:12 |
| flaper87 | Today, all pieces started to fall in place and everything fit and worked like a charm | 16:12 |
| fvollero | cool! | 16:12 |
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| kgriffs | excellent | 16:13 |
| flaper87 | so, a more detailed update | 16:13 |
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| flaper87 | We've 2 APIs | 16:13 |
| flaper87 | A lower one that expects the user to provide everything needed to succeed - Transport instance, request instances, other params based on the operation. | 16:14 |
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| flaper87 | and a higher one that gives a ORMish API that will make it very easy and straightforward | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | Client(...).queue(queue_id).exists() | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | The higher API uses the lower API | 16:15 |
| alcabrera | sweet, sweet | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | and they're both implemented | 16:15 |
| * alcabrera is looking forward to reviewing this | 16:15 | |
| flaper87 | and that's the patch I'm about to submit | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | I tried to split the whole thing as much as possible | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | that's why most of the patches so far don't give the impression of real progress | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | that's it | 16:16 |
| kgriffs | nice work | 16:16 |
| * alcabrera gives flaper87 the nutella prize | 16:16 | |
| flaper87 | w0000000000000000000000000t | 16:16 |
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| kgriffs | #info flaper87 is making awesome progress on the client | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | anything else to note re the remaining todo's? | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation/Graduation | 16:18 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I'm already looking into the Heat thing | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | ykaplan is on holiday still? | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | if someone wants to take it over, I'm very happy to give that away | 16:19 |
| flaper87 | otherwise I'll work on that | 16:19 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: nope, she's back, I was chatting with here few mins ago | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | oh, cool | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | #info ykaplan is back! | 16:20 |
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| flaper87 | the state of the sqlalchemy thing is that she already defined tables and wrote tests for that, she'll submit the first patch soon | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | awesome sauce | 16:20 |
| flaper87 | (sorry If I'm working as a proxy here, she's gone already) | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | #info sqlalchemy driver started, has schema and initial tests | 16:20 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: next thing will be working on the QueuesController and then MEssageController | 16:21 |
| flaper87 | The idea is to split the work in many patches and ease reviews | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:21 |
| alcabrera | #info sqlalchemy driver - started, good progress | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | sounds like a plan | 16:21 |
| flaper87 | cool beans | 16:21 |
| alcabrera | Our review queue is going to start growing very soon. Fun times. :D | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | #info flaper87 is starting work on heat template | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | few words there | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | can I ? | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | sure thing | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | cool | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | so, working on swift templates shouldn't be that hard, the hard part is that we have to support AWS Api as well, AFAIU | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | Meaning, and I'm don't know Heat that well nor have dug that much into it, we need to make sure that the same template used in AWS to create queues | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | can be used to create queues in Marconi | 16:24 |
| kgriffs | oh | 16:24 |
| zyuan | what about messages? | 16:24 |
| kgriffs | for some reason i was thinking we wanted heat templates to deploy Marconi itself | 16:24 |
| flaper87 | zyuan: same thing | 16:24 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: that's what I thought, too | 16:24 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yeah, that too | 16:24 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | hmm | 16:25 |
| alcabrera | ah, so in addition, AWS-style API support, a mapping of sorts | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | Like I said, I'm not a Heat expert nor have dug much into it | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | so, lets not freak out | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | that's what I understood from my first overlook at it | 16:25 |
| alcabrera | Yeah, that's one weird mapping. :P | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | lets write an action there | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | and I'll dig more for our next meeting | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | I can connect you with our Heat dev lead if you like | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | and hten we can freak out | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:25 |
| alcabrera | lol | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: it'd be awesome if he could help us out writing those plugins :D | 16:26 |
| * flaper87 tries, at least tries | 16:26 | |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: he has a team under him so there is a fair chance of that | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | :D | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | sounds amazing :P | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | I'll dig on that anyway | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | sure thing | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | and bring more info for our next meeting | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | so we have more to decide on | 16:27 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | #action flaper87 to research heat | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | anything else on the current topic | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | ? | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | not from me | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | #topic Service catalog entry for Marconi | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Service catalog entry for Marconi (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:28 | |
| kgriffs | So, somebody asked a few days ago what the catalog name was going to be | 16:29 |
| kgriffs | I mean, what "name" will be | 16:29 |
| kgriffs | #info http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/api_curl_examples.html#get-tokens-token-id-endpoints | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | and stuff | 16:30 |
| amitgandhi | "name: : "marconi" ??? | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | i guess so | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | type? | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | "messaging"? | 16:30 |
| alcabrera | sounds good to me | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: mmh | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | anyway, I was thinking we should add that to our list of graduation things | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | wait | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | I used something for the devstack aptch | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | 1 sec | 16:31 |
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| flaper87 | I used queueing as a type | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | which alings with queues | 16:32 |
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| flaper87 | then we can have a notification one for notifications | 16:32 |
| flaper87 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47999/1/files/keystone_data.sh | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | ah, you are one step ahead of me! | 16:32 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:33 |
| amitgandhi | would notifications have a type = "queueing" | 16:33 |
| amitgandhi | or notifications would be its own type? | 16:33 |
| flaper87 | amitgandhi: its own type | 16:33 |
| flaper87 | IMHO | 16:33 |
| flaper87 | it's a different service | 16:33 |
| flaper87 | under the same program | 16:33 |
| amitgandhi | but its a similar type | 16:33 |
| ametts | If a client gets pub-sub messages from a queue and sends sms messages, is that queuing or notification? | 16:34 |
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| megan_w | ametts: notifications | 16:35 |
| flaper87 | ametts: ^ | 16:35 |
| amitgandhi | i see it as the same "type" of service. just like swift and blockstorage fall into object-storage type | 16:35 |
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| ametts | megan_w, flaper87: but the queue itself is the same | 16:35 |
| flaper87 | ametts: it doesn't matter, you subscribe to the notification service | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: is there some canonical catalog that we need to contribute to for keystone deployments? Or do operators just configure them from scratch? | 16:36 |
| flaper87 | If I want to use keystone to discover a queue service | 16:36 |
| flaper87 | by using the type | 16:36 |
| flaper87 | and it returns a notificatio-service url, I won't be able to use that | 16:36 |
| kgriffs | the only thing you might do is make it more generic, like "messaging" but it seems like that is too abstract | 16:36 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: not sure, TBH | 16:37 |
| megan_w | does "messaging" cover everything? | 16:37 |
| megan_w | flaper87: great minds :) | 16:37 |
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| flaper87 | We can't have a single service type to cover both services because they won't expose the same API nor bound to the same port | 16:37 |
| flaper87 | nor be bound* | 16:38 |
| ametts | flaper87: Okay, in that case let's revisit my earlier example... | 16:38 |
| megan_w | so if they use any of the notifications api, its notifications, if not, its queuing? | 16:38 |
| flaper87 | megan_w: yup | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | ametts: cool! | 16:39 |
| ametts | Same queue as before. Different client. This one gets all messages and OPTIONALLY claims them. | 16:39 |
| zyuan | it that possible to have pure client extension to implement notification with marconi? | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | I think the notifications API will be standlone | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | s/will/should be | 16:39 |
| amitgandhi | kgriffs +1 | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | also, one more note, Marconi offers queues as a service, IMHO, it makes more sense to use queue* that message* for the service type | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 16:40 |
| ametts | So the notifications API wraps the Queues api? | 16:40 |
| * ametts is confused | 16:40 | |
| amitgandhi | ok im pivoting towards type=queueing and type=notifications now | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | ametts: the notification API talks to the queue API to get messages | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | or at least it will | 16:41 |
| flaper87 | as for our last meeting with regard to that | 16:41 |
| amitgandhi | ametts: notifications api optionally uses the marconi api if thats the queueing mechanism used | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | seems like in that sense, notifications will eventually be it's own project/repro? | 16:41 |
| ametts | Ok, but the operations are really similar, right? I can take this offline if necessary. | 16:42 |
| amitgandhi | i think so | 16:42 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: it could be, yes! | 16:42 |
| flaper87 | ok, lets tackle this later | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | #info notifications may not depend on marconi-queues | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | ok, let's discuss this some more next week. I'd like to get to the queues API finalization | 16:42 |
| flaper87 | we can change it | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | #info use type=queueing and name=marconi for service catalog | 16:43 |
| kgriffs | #topic Finalize v1 API | 16:43 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1 | 16:44 |
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| * flaper87 loves how much that wiki page has grown | 16:44 | |
| kgriffs | ok, first off | 16:44 |
| kgriffs | The last change that we are making is to formally define the type of Client-ID to be a UUID | 16:45 |
| kgriffs | This was done due to confusion we have heard from early adopters | 16:45 |
| kgriffs | are there any other pending changes that anyone is aware of? | 16:45 |
| * flaper87 thinks | 16:46 | |
| kgriffs | (note - I have already updated the spec per UUID change) | 16:46 |
| * flaper87 thinks harder | 16:46 | |
| ametts | Did we finally settle the 204 versus 200 with an empty list debate? | 16:46 |
| * flaper87 thinks even harder... ouch | 16:46 | |
| kgriffs | afaik, we are sticking with 204? | 16:46 |
| alcabrera | 204 was my understanding (for LIST queues, messages, claimed_messages) | 16:46 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: in implementing the client, has 204 posed a problem? | 16:47 |
| amitgandhi | the complaint was based around clients having to do more work to handle a 204 no content result vs a 200 empty json list result | 16:47 |
| kgriffs | (vs. returning an empty array) | 16:47 |
| zyuan | client has to do more work to handle 204 | 16:47 |
| kgriffs | well, not more work, it is just more code | 16:48 |
| zyuan | because 204 is not empty, it's "empty yet" | 16:48 |
| amitgandhi | programmer has to do more work to make client handle it =P | 16:48 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: nope | 16:48 |
| kgriffs | parsing JSON vs. instantiating an empty list/array object | 16:48 |
| flaper87 | no issues so far, that is | 16:48 |
| kgriffs | less work, lower latency all around | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | but programmer has to add an "if" statement | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | so | 16:49 |
| amitgandhi | i like the 204 response. its semantically correct to me | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:49 |
| alcabrera | +1 for 204 | 16:49 |
| * flaper87 is part of the anti-if campaign | 16:49 | |
| flaper87 | +1 for 204 | 16:49 |
| zyuan | kgriffs: the client must handle the special case anyway | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | anyone want to vehemently object to keeping as-is? | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | going once | 16:50 |
| ametts | Well if flaper87 is part of the anti-if campaign, he should choose 200 | 16:50 |
| amitgandhi | another piece of feedback i got (not sure on accuracy of it) was use of PATCH verb | 16:50 |
| amitgandhi | comment was not seen in other openstack api's yet | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | yes, that is true | 16:50 |
| amitgandhi | may have been a noob | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | ametts: nope, python is... magical :D | 16:50 |
| zyuan | well, openstack'd better to have some PATCH | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | #link http://www.antiifcampaign.com/join-the-campaign.html | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | we are more modern there | 16:50 |
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| kgriffs | PATCH is less ambiguous than doing a PUT and only including a partial document | 16:51 |
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| zyuan | +N | 16:51 |
| amitgandhi | kgriffs: +1 | 16:51 |
| * ametts thinks some people have too much time on their hands.... | 16:51 | |
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| kgriffs | that being said, PATCH is supported in all serious web servers and clients | 16:51 |
| kgriffs | so... | 16:51 |
| malini | & tsung folks added patch support for us in a whiff !! | 16:52 |
| zyuan | NAD | 16:52 |
| kgriffs | also, JSON Patch is coming | 16:52 |
| kgriffs | so, we need to push the state of the art forward | 16:52 |
| flaper87 | and we like patches | 16:52 |
| kgriffs | baby steps. :D | 16:52 |
| amitgandhi | patches FTW! | 16:52 |
| acabrera | lol | 16:53 |
| kgriffs | so, i personally think it is fine to leave in unless a lot of devs are having to spend hours because of it | 16:53 |
| malini | this doesnt sound like a meeting..everybody agrees to everything! | 16:53 |
| kgriffs | …which is something I find hard to believe | 16:53 |
| acabrera | PATCH + jsonschema has worked nicely for the proxy, FWIW | 16:53 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:53 |
| zyuan | malini: i don't agree with you! | 16:53 |
| amitgandhi | next piece of feedback was the v1/ HOME document not being standard | 16:53 |
| malini | zyuan: :D | 16:53 |
| amitgandhi | ie draft wrc spec | 16:54 |
| amitgandhi | s/wrc/w3c | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | yes. I admit there that I probably jumped the gun since the home doc isn't a totally real thing yet | 16:54 |
| zyuan | not a big deal; it's fine to have something experimental | 16:54 |
| amitgandhi | personally i like it | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | but, considering the alternative is WADL... | 16:54 |
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| amitgandhi | will it pose a problem? | 16:55 |
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| amitgandhi | will people be like WTF! | 16:55 |
| kgriffs | I have heard from several devs who are actually excited about the home doc | 16:55 |
| kgriffs | nobody has said "don't do it" | 16:55 |
| * flaper87 loves the home doc | 16:55 | |
| zyuan | at least we can say | 16:55 |
| kgriffs | so, once the RFC becomes a standard, we can tweak the home doc to be official | 16:55 |
| kgriffs | that's my plan, anyway | 16:56 |
| zyuan | read home doc and don't build your own queries beyaond home doc | 16:56 |
| amitgandhi | does it differ too much from other openstack api's that marconi becomes the odd one out, or just the first one there ;-) | 16:56 |
| flaper87 | zyuan: +1 | 16:56 |
| kgriffs | heh | 16:56 |
| ametts | So this means the v1 API is 100% final/official at this point? | 16:56 |
| flaper87 | I'm not doing that in the client yet, though. But that's the final idea | 16:56 |
| kgriffs | afaik, the other projects don't have any kind of machine-readable doc, period | 16:57 |
| amitgandhi | are they considering it? | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | not sure | 16:57 |
| flaper87 | amitgandhi: keystone is, AFAIK | 16:57 |
| amitgandhi | based on what they have seen with the marconi home doc , or other home docs? | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | I bet they will if a lot of people find Marconi's doc useful | 16:57 |
| flaper87 | but, not 100% sure | 16:57 |
| amitgandhi | flaper87: nice =) | 16:57 |
| zyuan | kgriffs: :) | 16:57 |
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| amitgandhi | ok im cool with it being there | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | we can always rip it out in v2 if nobody uses it | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:58 |
| amitgandhi | how would you know if nobody uses it? | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | heh | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | we ask public cloud operators nicely to give us some stats | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | ;) | 16:58 |
| amitgandhi | well it would be a breaking change to v2 | 16:58 |
| flaper87 | btw, re versions, I think we need to re-structure the transport package and make it version aware | 16:58 |
| ametts | Or you could rip it out and prove that people DO use it. :) | 16:58 |
| kgriffs | eh | 16:59 |
| zyuan | v2 the name already indicated breaking change | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | heh | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | there has to be a v1 package under the wsgi package the holds wsgi v1 related modules | 16:59 |
| amitgandhi | ametts: we dont want to be like another team we will leave unnamed =P | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | IMHO | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | not saying we have to do it *right now* | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | just something to think about | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I think v2 is a long ways off. We should strive to introduce non-breaking changes in v1, possibly leveraging media type versioning | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | but yeah, it will need to be done | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:59 |
| kgriffs | so... | 16:59 |
| amitgandhi | ok so api v1 frozen? | 16:59 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:59 |
| zyuan | i think so | 17:00 |
| * ametts feels like we should vote to make it all official-like | 17:00 | |
| * flaper87 takes his freezing gun out and shoots API v1 | 17:00 | |
| flaper87 | vote vote vote vote | 17:00 |
| alcabrera | vote~ | 17:00 |
| * amitgandhi is picturing flavio as dr freeze from batman | 17:00 | |
| flaper87 | amitgandhi: LOOOL, that's what I had in mind | 17:00 |
| flaper87 | :D | 17:00 |
| kgriffs | #startvote Freeze v1 API? yes, no, abstain | 17:01 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Freeze v1 API? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:01 |
| amitgandhi | #vote yes | 17:01 |
| zyuan | #vote yes | 17:01 |
| ametts | #vote yes | 17:01 |
| flaper87 | #vote yes | 17:01 |
| malini | #vote yes | 17:01 |
| * flaper87 notices that kgriffs finally remembered to add the abstain option | 17:01 | |
| alcabrera | #vote yes | 17:02 |
| ametts | Wouldn't it be funny if kgriffs voted no? | 17:02 |
| flaper87 | LOOOL | 17:02 |
| kgriffs | #vote yes | 17:02 |
| kgriffs | too late | 17:02 |
| kgriffs | :p | 17:02 |
| kgriffs | ok | 17:02 |
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| kgriffs | going once... | 17:02 |
| flaper87 | it would have been even funnier if there was just a yes option | 17:02 |
| megan_w | #vote yes | 17:02 |
| kgriffs | going twice... | 17:02 |
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| * kgriffs remembers that for next time | 17:03 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 17:03 |
| kgriffs | going three times... | 17:03 |
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| kgriffs | #endvote | 17:03 |
| openstack | Voted on "Freeze v1 API?" Results are | 17:03 |
| openstack | yes (8): alcabrera, megan_w, kgriffs, ametts, malini, amitgandhi, flaper87, zyuan | 17:03 |
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| kgriffs | I can't tell for certain, but I think the API is now frozen | 17:03 |
| kgriffs | #info v1 API is now frozen | 17:04 |
| * kgriffs cheers | 17:04 | |
| megan_w | yay! | 17:04 |
| flaper87 | w000t | 17:04 |
| * amitgandhi feels cold | 17:04 | |
| alcabrera | cool. :) | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | thanks everyone | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 17:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 7 17:04:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-10-07-16.03.html | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-10-07-16.03.txt | 17:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-10-07-16.03.log.html | 17:04 |
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| flaper87 | not even Heat will unfreeze it | 17:04 |
| kgriffs | LOL | 17:04 |
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| flaper87 | :D | 17:04 |
| alcabrera | lol | 17:05 |
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