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| sarob | helo peoples | 13:58 |
| alagalah | Hi | 13:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 8 14:00:04 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 14:00 |
| sarob | i have been a bit disconnected this last couple of weeks | 14:00 |
| sarob | i have no agenda | 14:00 |
| sarob | i almost have the pandoc python wrap script done though | 14:01 |
| alagalah | Excellent, I was going to ask | 14:01 |
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| alagalah | I just did a pull, I see tools/validate.py | 14:02 |
| sarob | it clones repos, pulls updates, converts, and then some extra cleanup | 14:02 |
| colinmcnamara | colin here | 14:02 |
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| sarob | validate.py is the gate script | 14:02 |
| colinmcnamara | sorry about being late. still getting started | 14:02 |
| sarob | no prob | 14:02 |
| alagalah | Hi Colin | 14:02 |
| sarob | i forgot to post an agenda | 14:02 |
| sarob | :( | 14:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Good morning Keith | 14:02 |
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| colinmcnamara | proposed topics | 14:03 |
| alagalah | So is the training-labs/Scripts stuff for VirtualBox deployment?> | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | Progress | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | Blocking Items | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | Focus work for next week | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | xml include location | 14:03 |
| colinmcnamara | including non xml content | 14:03 |
| sarob | i was just babbling about the rst convert script | 14:03 |
| sarob | right | 14:03 |
| sarob | #topic progress | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "progress (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 14:04 | |
| colinmcnamara | let me pull the burndown board real quick | 14:04 |
| sarob | speak to me oh oracle of the kanban | 14:04 |
| colinmcnamara | Total Cards: 137 | 14:04 |
| colinmcnamara | Remaining Cards: 74 | 14:04 |
| colinmcnamara | Done Cards: 63 | 14:04 |
| colinmcnamara | Percent of cards done: 45.99% | 14:04 |
| colinmcnamara | Hours at start: 80 | 14:04 |
| colinmcnamara | Hours est total: 137 | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | Hours remaining: 74 | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | Hours done: 63 | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | Percent of hours done: 45.99% | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | -------- | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | Days Elapsed 37 | 14:05 |
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| colinmcnamara | Daily Burndown 1.7 | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | Est. Days Left 43 | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | Est. Completion Date 11/20/13 | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | so, compared to last week | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | last week we had 60 cards done | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | this week we have 63 cards done | 14:05 |
| sarob | poop | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | though I don't think that pranav's scripts were tracked in a card | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | big thing is, we added two cars | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | cards | 14:05 |
| colinmcnamara | https://BurndownForTrello.com/share/9c3rfd2fu9 - chart | 14:06 |
| colinmcnamara | so, our estimated completion date pushed | 14:06 |
| sarob | ohhh | 14:06 |
| sarob | pretty | 14:06 |
| sarob | im less bummed now | 14:06 |
| dguitarbite | hi | 14:06 |
| colinmcnamara | basically pushed out a week or two | 14:06 |
| sarob | hey pranav | 14:06 |
| colinmcnamara | hello pranav | 14:06 |
| dguitarbite | hey guys | 14:07 |
| colinmcnamara | we want the blue line going down, and the red line going up | 14:07 |
| colinmcnamara | ideally matching the slope of the yellow line | 14:07 |
| colinmcnamara | our daily burndown rate is still ok at 1.7 | 14:07 |
| sarob | we need to double check our story at this point | 14:08 |
| colinmcnamara | explain? | 14:08 |
| sarob | what are we teaching associate or rather | 14:08 |
| sarob | what will we be testing the assoc knowledge | 14:08 |
| sarob | some of these cards could get pushed to operator | 14:09 |
| colinmcnamara | could or should? | 14:09 |
| sarob | or dev | 14:09 |
| sarob | well im not sure | 14:09 |
| colinmcnamara | I still think that mapping to the basic installation guide is just that | 14:09 |
| colinmcnamara | basic | 14:09 |
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| sarob | i havent gone through the 'story' | 14:09 |
| colinmcnamara | and if I was going to look at the over all progress | 14:09 |
| colinmcnamara | the biggest limiter we have right now is concepts | 14:09 |
| colinmcnamara | we are pretty much completely through the task items | 14:09 |
| alagalah | Which is all RST right ? | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | only a few of the horizon admin tasks remain | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | correct | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | the RST to XML translation | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | we should probably switch topic | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | to that | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | I'd say that is the most critical item for this weeks work | 14:10 |
| sarob | #topic rst xml convertion | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rst xml convertion (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 14:10 | |
| sarob | nice spelling | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | close enough | 14:10 |
| dguitarbite | beat me in spellings :O | 14:10 |
| colinmcnamara | so, if we can't get the conversion working right now | 14:11 |
| colinmcnamara | my vote, go ahead with manual inclusion of certain dev docs and diagrams | 14:11 |
| colinmcnamara | with an xml note in the section pointing to the root content | 14:11 |
| dguitarbite | I agree | 14:11 |
| sarob | im very close to publishing the convertion script | 14:11 |
| dguitarbite | although RST integration would have deeper impact on many other Maven based projects | 14:12 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: is the code public ? | 14:12 |
| colinmcnamara | my preference is to have a converter | 14:12 |
| sarob | i havent pushed it yet | 14:12 |
| colinmcnamara | how close are you sean? I wasn not able to solve the problem | 14:12 |
| colinmcnamara | does it test locally? | 14:12 |
| sarob | i will do it this morning | 14:12 |
| colinmcnamara | k | 14:13 |
| alagalah | If you push it, let me know and I'll have a crack at it on my end tonight | 14:13 |
| colinmcnamara | same here | 14:13 |
| sarob | im using reg expressions to match and mod content | 14:13 |
| colinmcnamara | s/h1/section/g ? | 14:13 |
| colinmcnamara | etc | 14:13 |
| sarob | as long as the tags dont change we should be good | 14:13 |
| colinmcnamara | is it grabbing the images too? | 14:14 |
| sarob | s/article/section/g | 14:14 |
| sarob | i havent gotten to images yet, but yes it shouldnt be a prob | 14:14 |
| alagalah | Couldn't we leave the images alone with absolute reference? Or are we worried about RST content changing ? | 14:14 |
| colinmcnamara | the asolute reference points to an external repo. probably best to pull them in in the gross import | 14:15 |
| colinmcnamara | e.g. import Nova dev docs, Neutron Dev docs, Cinder Dev docs, etc all into a local directory in training guides | 14:15 |
| colinmcnamara | make it easy for the other contributors | 14:16 |
| alagalah | So pull in all the RST content locally into training-guides, convert to XML and relative reference to the images? | 14:16 |
| sarob | the script clones and pulls updates | 14:16 |
| sarob | so you want the cloned repos within our repo? | 14:17 |
| sarob | for image ref | 14:17 |
| dguitarbite | ? | 14:17 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that would be best for now | 14:17 |
| dguitarbite | are you talking about repo inside repo? | 14:17 |
| colinmcnamara | not the full repos, but the dev docs directory | 14:17 |
| sarob | i could add in coping the image directories and update the image tags | 14:18 |
| sarob | instead | 14:18 |
| dguitarbite | ahh ... I guess its better to get the images locally | 14:18 |
| colinmcnamara | also, one other thing | 14:18 |
| sarob | right now i have the repos all outside in the local repo root and only the xml in our repo | 14:18 |
| alagalah | So clone the RST DevDocs into a temp repo, convert to XML into the training-guides and copy the images ? | 14:19 |
| colinmcnamara | so, sean | 14:19 |
| colinmcnamara | I agree with that statemtn | 14:19 |
| sarob | thats what i was thinking | 14:19 |
| colinmcnamara | only xml in our repo (xml and images) | 14:19 |
| alagalah | Makes sense | 14:19 |
| dguitarbite | we could reuse the images rather than make another copy | 14:19 |
| sarob | the script will pull down updates, convert the rst to xml, copy the images | 14:19 |
| dguitarbite | kool | 14:20 |
| colinmcnamara | so, we can add that as a manual step in the repo | 14:20 |
| sarob | ill have to figure out the image tag pattern matching, should be okay | 14:20 |
| colinmcnamara | and then add it as a build step later | 14:20 |
| ekarlso | why do people like xml over rst ? :| | 14:20 |
| colinmcnamara | so, the tags | 14:20 |
| dguitarbite | rst is not as powerful as XML | 14:20 |
| colinmcnamara | remember anne talked about about tagging images and tables with section id's | 14:20 |
| ekarlso | ok | 14:20 |
| sarob | hmm, could do it | 14:21 |
| sarob | make the code a bit more complicated | 14:21 |
| dguitarbite | analogous to difference between JavaScript and Java | 14:21 |
| colinmcnamara | well, push the first push | 14:21 |
| sarob | prob need another card for that feature | 14:21 |
| sarob | but a good idea | 14:21 |
| dguitarbite | sarob we can do that feature in the next iteration | 14:22 |
| colinmcnamara | just thinking forward to generating the presenter led content | 14:22 |
| sarob | yeah | 14:22 |
| colinmcnamara | so, if we have that conversion done | 14:22 |
| colinmcnamara | tool done | 14:22 |
| dguitarbite | it will be simple hack to get the section ids into place | 14:22 |
| alagalah | Sarob: you just using regex or the docutils library ? | 14:22 |
| colinmcnamara | then that removes a huge block | 14:22 |
| sarob | python regex | 14:22 |
| alagalah | Did you look at docutils ? | 14:22 |
| sarob | nope | 14:22 |
| alagalah | ok | 14:22 |
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| colinmcnamara | docutils has some interesting stuff, but not a rst2docbooks | 14:23 |
| colinmcnamara | there is a rst2xml.py script though | 14:23 |
| alagalah | But you should be able to parse out the RST tags and replace with XML if you find your RegEx fails, regardless was just curious | 14:23 |
| dguitarbite | alagalah it needs some rigorous testing then | 14:24 |
| sarob | the rst2xml.py script is where? | 14:24 |
| alagalah | http://docutils.sourceforge.net/tools/rst2xml.py | 14:25 |
| colinmcnamara | sudo port install docutils | 14:25 |
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| sarob | cool, prob has the pattern matching i need to add | 14:25 |
| sarob | thx | 14:25 |
| sarob | #topic blockers | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blockers (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 14:26 | |
| alagalah | Card#114 ... still relevant? | 14:26 |
| alagalah | (blockers) | 14:26 |
| colinmcnamara | that can be moved to done | 14:27 |
| alagalah | Ok who did it so I can re-assign? | 14:27 |
| sarob | i could update the script as well | 14:28 |
| sarob | anything else? | 14:28 |
| colinmcnamara | let me check my notes | 14:29 |
| sarob | i guess the rst to xml conversion script is a blocker | 14:29 |
| colinmcnamara | I'd say that is the only blocking item | 14:29 |
| colinmcnamara | next topic? | 14:30 |
| sarob | #topic next week focus | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next week focus (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 14:30 | |
| sarob | id like to start on the quiz and test formatting | 14:31 |
| colinmcnamara | so, think we should try to get all the task oriented cards completed so we can chek for flow | 14:31 |
| colinmcnamara | sean, sanity check | 14:31 |
| sarob | that sounds good too | 14:31 |
| alagalah | If the script works tonight I'll grab some more cards that require RST | 14:31 |
| sarob | cool | 14:31 |
| colinmcnamara | shouldn't the quiz come from the concepts and tasks? | 14:31 |
| sarob | yup, but im talkin format | 14:32 |
| sarob | not content | 14:32 |
| colinmcnamara | maybe we can get Rev to throw some idea's together | 14:32 |
| colinmcnamara | i know he does that for a living right? | 14:32 |
| alagalah | front end surveymonkey.com ? | 14:32 |
| colinmcnamara | remember, online, printed pdf, instructor led | 14:33 |
| colinmcnamara | probably best to just go old school | 14:33 |
| colinmcnamara | list of questions, answer key seperate | 14:33 |
| colinmcnamara | out of that people can derive the testing engines | 14:33 |
| sarob | sounds like a good idea to start | 14:34 |
| dguitarbite | yep | 14:34 |
| colinmcnamara | and I would guess that since the foundation is managing the cert program, that someone puts a quiz engine tied to openID on openstack.org | 14:34 |
| sarob | just expand the tables there now | 14:34 |
| dguitarbite | we do not need to host a testing engine or system | 14:34 |
| dguitarbite | just the content | 14:34 |
| sarob | ah, that sounds good | 14:34 |
| sarob | okay solution found | 14:34 |
| colinmcnamara | old school :) | 14:35 |
| dguitarbite | old school :) | 14:35 |
| sarob | so whats xml include location topic? | 14:35 |
| colinmcnamara | oh, I pulled from last weeks | 14:35 |
| sarob | convertion script output dir? | 14:35 |
| colinmcnamara | probably can ignore that | 14:35 |
| colinmcnamara | just wanted to get the meeting going in an orderly fashion ;) | 14:36 |
| sarob | roger roger | 14:36 |
| sarob | so anything else troops? | 14:36 |
| colinmcnamara | yeah | 14:36 |
| colinmcnamara | I popped the google hangout into imovie and created a how to contribute to openstack-training videio http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qz5NrbFfRi8 | 14:37 |
| dguitarbite | nice | 14:37 |
| sarob | sweet | 14:37 |
| dguitarbite | how does youtube let you host 2 hour long videos? | 14:37 |
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| colinmcnamara | you have to have a verified account | 14:38 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 14:38 |
| colinmcnamara | and then go into settings and request extended access | 14:38 |
| colinmcnamara | the hangout+live ended up there automatically | 14:38 |
| dguitarbite | alrite thanks | 14:38 |
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| colinmcnamara | I then downloaded the hangout live locally, edited it to focus on content and then pushed it up after work yesterday | 14:39 |
| sarob | master of the video art | 14:39 |
| alagalah | I've written a gdoc with step by step too for my own use. Not as good as the video, but if someone just wanted a quick prompt cheat sheet | 14:39 |
| colinmcnamara | awesome | 14:39 |
| colinmcnamara | let's all get that information out into the wild | 14:39 |
| sarob | sounds like a great add to the user group howto | 14:40 |
| alagalah | Yeah I'll tighten it up and perhaps put it on the wiki | 14:40 |
| colinmcnamara | the biggest challenge we have is increasing the number of video's | 14:40 |
| colinmcnamara | err not video's | 14:40 |
| colinmcnamara | contributors | 14:40 |
| dguitarbite | lol | 14:40 |
| alagalah | What happened to other Meetups contributing ? | 14:40 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackUserGroups/HowTo | 14:40 |
| alagalah | (apart from all the awesomeness that is Aptira) | 14:40 |
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| colinmcnamara | welcome to OpenSource and User Groups | 14:40 |
| sarob | baby steps | 14:40 |
| colinmcnamara | basically have to hit critical mass, then everybody says they want to participate | 14:41 |
| dguitarbite | yeah | 14:41 |
| alagalah | No worries, just asking | 14:41 |
| colinmcnamara | as you can see, this is actual work | 14:41 |
| colinmcnamara | it is hard actual work | 14:41 |
| alagalah | Sarob: want me to amend the wiki ? | 14:41 |
| alagalah | (from that link) ? | 14:41 |
| sarob | amend away | 14:41 |
| sarob | yup | 14:41 |
| colinmcnamara | oh, I have one more topic | 14:41 |
| dguitarbite | its very hard to get people | 14:41 |
| alagalah | Is there a howto amend the howto :-P | 14:41 |
| alagalah | I'll unicast you, Sean | 14:42 |
| colinmcnamara | click the edit button on the wiki | 14:42 |
| dguitarbite | yea also need to change the IRC meeting timing on Wiki .. ill do it | 14:42 |
| sarob | its moinmoin wiki | 14:42 |
| sarob | thx | 14:42 |
| colinmcnamara | so, another proposed topic - whitespace checks | 14:42 |
| sarob | just log into the wiki and select edit from the top of page | 14:42 |
| alagalah | ack got it now | 14:43 |
| sarob | anyone can edit any page on wiki.openstack.org | 14:43 |
| sarob | #topic whitespace checks | 14:43 |
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| colinmcnamara | so, you may have noticed a non-voting stage in jenkins now | 14:43 |
| colinmcnamara | called niceness | 14:43 |
| colinmcnamara | it checks for whitespace and empty lines | 14:43 |
| sarob | i never claimed to be nice | 14:44 |
| colinmcnamara | you will get a -1 one, that won't stop a build | 14:44 |
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| colinmcnamara | it caught some white space in the user-includes template as well as my section files | 14:44 |
| colinmcnamara | that I went and fixed | 14:44 |
| sarob | cool, thx | 14:44 |
| colinmcnamara | I ended up pushing a few patches for mycommit | 14:44 |
| colinmcnamara | I didn't however go back through the other cards and clean them up | 14:45 |
| dguitarbite | please confirm IRC meeting on Tues at 14:00 UTC | 14:45 |
| dguitarbite | Im bad with time ... so need to verify | 14:45 |
| sarob | yeah 1400 utc | 14:45 |
| sarob | tuesday | 14:45 |
| dguitarbite | k thansk | 14:45 |
| colinmcnamara | I propose that as reviewers we treat the niceneness check as a strict check, and push back (unless it is timely) and request a 2nd patch to fix whitspace issues | 14:45 |
| alagalah | Why the polgrom on whitespace? | 14:45 |
| alagalah | Does having it break something? | 14:46 |
| colinmcnamara | coding standards in the project | 14:46 |
| alagalah | Hmmmm interesting. Fair enough then. | 14:46 |
| colinmcnamara | and whenever possibly I would like us to confirm to the larger coding standards and methodologies of OpenStack as a whole | 14:47 |
| colinmcnamara | it was a simple change on my end to fix it. took 5 minutes | 14:47 |
| colinmcnamara | I had a couple tabs and a blank line | 14:47 |
| alagalah | Well yeah, of course. Seems like an odd standard since whitespace increases code readability but greater minds than I have determined it's evil so we should comply | 14:47 |
| sarob | your compliance is noted | 14:48 |
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| sarob | anything else guys? | 14:48 |
| alagalah | I live to serve | 14:48 |
| colinmcnamara | spaces and tabs at the end of lines don't make anything easier to read | 14:48 |
| colinmcnamara | ;) | 14:48 |
| colinmcnamara | either way, wanted to discuss is | 14:48 |
| colinmcnamara | it | 14:48 |
| alagalah | Ah | 14:48 |
| colinmcnamara | before pushing back on reviews | 14:48 |
| colinmcnamara | well, other then my own | 14:48 |
| alagalah | Ack ... | 14:49 |
| sarob | what do mean? | 14:49 |
| alagalah | Do we need to redo existing cards? | 14:49 |
| dguitarbite | white spaces are bad for compiles have to read them | 14:49 |
| dguitarbite | it reduces load on the infra | 14:49 |
| colinmcnamara | good point pranav | 14:49 |
| sarob | validate.py wont check already merged xml | 14:49 |
| alagalah | python :) | 14:50 |
| colinmcnamara | my vote is not to go back and clean stuff up whitespace yet. Just to be a bit more rigorous moving forward | 14:50 |
| alagalah | Not. Compiled. :) | 14:50 |
| alagalah | hehehehe | 14:50 |
| alagalah | Got it | 14:50 |
| dguitarbite | hey guys | 14:50 |
| dguitarbite | lets keep the white spaces as low hanging friuts | 14:50 |
| dguitarbite | *fruits | 14:51 |
| alagalah | You mean for new contributors? Great idea | 14:51 |
| sarob | sounds about right | 14:51 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 14:51 |
| colinmcnamara | good idea | 14:51 |
| dguitarbite | saves us some manual task | 14:51 |
| colinmcnamara | great idea pranav | 14:51 |
| colinmcnamara | have them log a bug for whitespace in files | 14:51 |
| colinmcnamara | and then clean it | 14:51 |
| dguitarbite | yep | 14:51 |
| sarob | #info whitespace and orphaned tabs to be logged as bug | 14:52 |
| alagalah | Hmmmm, I've never logged/resolved a bug so I may take one to fix to understand that process if thats ok? | 14:52 |
| sarob | #action sarob push convert rst xml scrpit today | 14:52 |
| sarob | alagalah: happy to help | 14:53 |
| sarob | instructions are in the operators guide | 14:53 |
| alagalah | ack | 14:53 |
| alagalah | thank you | 14:53 |
| sarob | anything else? | 14:53 |
| colinmcnamara | i'm good | 14:54 |
| sarob | pranav? | 14:54 |
| dguitarbite | we need to discuss the course syllabus once | 14:54 |
| dguitarbite | during the summit | 14:54 |
| sarob | sure | 14:54 |
| colinmcnamara | agreed | 14:55 |
| dguitarbite | and I may have some feedback based on actual teaching | 14:55 |
| dguitarbite | in India | 14:55 |
| sarob | i think we should reaccess the syllabus for all four books | 14:55 |
| sarob | sweet | 14:55 |
| dguitarbite | hopefully before the summit \m/ | 14:55 |
| alagalah | re-assess | 14:55 |
| sarob | super critical to have teaching feedback | 14:55 |
| alagalah | Mr SpellCheck | 14:55 |
| alagalah | :-P | 14:55 |
| dguitarbite | :D | 14:56 |
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| sarob | #action review books syllabus at summit | 14:56 |
| colinmcnamara | agree on getting feedback from a delivered class | 14:56 |
| dguitarbite | yes, very important to know how good is the content delivery | 14:57 |
| alagalah | Just for cross-reference... | 14:57 |
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| sarob | we should setup a monkey survey and add link to the cource | 14:57 |
| sarob | couse | 14:57 |
| sarob | arrgg | 14:57 |
| alagalah | #vBrownBag has a Couch to OpenStack series (#C2OS) I'm going to go through: http://openstack.prov12n.com/about-couch-to-openstack/ | 14:57 |
| dguitarbite | yep, even something similar in kong to know what other experts say abotu it | 14:58 |
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| alagalah | It may serve as a sanity check | 14:58 |
| sarob | which what? | 14:58 |
| colinmcnamara | that's cody's series | 14:58 |
| alagalah | yes | 14:58 |
| colinmcnamara | he's been hovering around our project | 14:59 |
| colinmcnamara | but, to be direct | 14:59 |
| colinmcnamara | it kinda competes with the books he has been releasing | 14:59 |
| colinmcnamara | so I don't expect much participation | 14:59 |
| colinmcnamara | until we hit critical mass | 14:59 |
| colinmcnamara | that is a common theme by the way | 14:59 |
| colinmcnamara | people keep focusing on putting out single release content | 14:59 |
| sarob | yup | 15:00 |
| colinmcnamara | that ends up full of bugs, and dated within 6 months | 15:00 |
| colinmcnamara | but, their name is on it | 15:00 |
| colinmcnamara | vs treating training and learning as open source | 15:00 |
| dguitarbite | we are on an iterative model, tracked and stuff ... lets just hope they contribute to the official docs eventually | 15:00 |
| colinmcnamara | they will | 15:00 |
| colinmcnamara | my bet | 15:00 |
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| colinmcnamara | is | 15:00 |
| colinmcnamara | when the course get out and are being delivered in the larger community | 15:01 |
| sarob | they will all come over to the dark side | 15:01 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 15:01 |
| colinmcnamara | that will be the critical mass | 15:01 |
| colinmcnamara | and | 15:01 |
| colinmcnamara | if and when the foundation figures out the cert program | 15:01 |
| colinmcnamara | my assumption is that it will be based of this content | 15:01 |
| colinmcnamara | or at minimum alighned | 15:01 |
| colinmcnamara | then again, more people will jump on | 15:01 |
| sarob | ive got a hard stop | 15:02 |
| sarob | anymore training biz | 15:02 |
| alagalah | I'm good | 15:02 |
| colinmcnamara | I'm good | 15:02 |
| dguitarbite | im good | 15:02 |
| dguitarbite | wrap up ? | 15:02 |
| sarob | sweet, thx for the great meet guys | 15:02 |
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| sarob | see ya in the funny papers | 15:02 |
| dguitarbite | thanks all | 15:02 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 8 15:03:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-10-08-14.00.html | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-10-08-14.00.txt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-10-08-14.00.log.html | 15:03 |
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| lifeless | morning | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #topic tripleo | 19:01 |
| lsmola_ | hello | 19:01 |
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| shadower | hey | 19:01 |
| jistr | hi :) | 19:01 |
| ifarkas | hi | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| marios | hello | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 8 19:01:34 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| jtomasek | hey | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
| jog0 | o/ | 19:01 |
| tzumainn | hiya | 19:01 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:01 |
| dprince | hi | 19:02 |
| jcoufal | _o/ | 19:02 |
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| derekh | \o/ | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| lifeless | incoming | 19:02 |
| lifeless | bugs | 19:02 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:02 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:02 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Discuss latest comments on LXC+ISCSI bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1226855 | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Managing blueprints - migrate them all to tripleo? | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Tuskar mailing list - what to do with it? | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Reviews and +2 on something you fixed up | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | open discussion | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | we have just one critical bug this week | 19:05 |
| lifeless | \o. | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:05 |
| lifeless | this is fantastic | 19:05 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient/+bug/1213882 | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | pylint is deprecated, I've submitted a patch for openstack-info/config to remove it | 19:05 |
| lifeless | but python33 is in need of support | 19:05 |
| jistr | yeah so last time we checked with pblaho, it wasn't possible bc of dependencies | 19:06 |
| jistr | but i think it might be time to try again :) | 19:06 |
| lifeless | if it's an oslo problem, we should fix it in oslo and get a release made | 19:06 |
| lifeless | but when I looked at the failure log, there was non python 33 stuff in python-tuskarclient itself | 19:07 |
| pblaho | I think there was problem with some python-*client | 19:07 |
| pblaho | yeah, you are right... | 19:07 |
| pblaho | but it is not that much of stuff... | 19:07 |
| lifeless | so, we have a choice | 19:07 |
| lifeless | we can delete the 33 job and say 'not yet' | 19:07 |
| pblaho | some time ago I started to clean it but stopped due to deps | 19:07 |
| lifeless | or someone can step up and drive it to completion - going into deps as needed | 19:08 |
| lifeless | Is someone interested in getting it done? | 19:09 |
| jistr | i'd say try to fix it for py33 and if we hit the wall really hard, then we say 'not yet'. I'd like to have it py33 ready but i don't want to burn Red Hat time on that if it turns out it's too soon. | 19:09 |
| jistr | .. as we have other priorities | 19:09 |
| lifeless | fair enough! | 19:09 |
| jistr | so sign me up for investigation and hopeful fix ;) | 19:10 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:10 |
| pblaho | maybe me.. but... question if we should introduce deps on git commits/tags.... b/c we may need new release of smth | 19:10 |
| lifeless | anyone have pet 'high' bugs they want to talk about? | 19:10 |
| lifeless | pblaho: if we need a new release of something else in openstack, help that project do it's release. | 19:10 |
| lifeless | pblaho: if we need someting outside of openstack, same thing usually :), but we shouldn't dep on git commits/tags - we can't release like that and expect folk to package it | 19:11 |
| pblaho | lifeless: yeah... makes sense (git tags...) | 19:11 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: not sure, how important this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1236703 , but it would be nice to here what you guys think about this one | 19:11 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: I think it's high | 19:12 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: I've triaged it | 19:12 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: it's the sort of thing we really need a clear story on before expecting users to use it | 19:12 |
| pblaho | py33 thing - for interested - my previous work on it https://github.com/petrblaho/python-tuskarclient/tree/python-2to3 | 19:12 |
| pblaho | ^ little outdated :-) | 19:13 |
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| lifeless | pblaho: yeah, fwiw most folk use 'six' within OpenStack to do python 3.3 stuff. | 19:13 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: I believe, we should look into "auth via keystone -> give Tuskar API your token" direction? | 19:13 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: I think, this is what Nova does e.g. to talk to Glance/Neutron/etc on behalf of a user | 19:14 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: I think it's something like this: if tuskar will be taking independent actions, then it should have it's own specific account | 19:14 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: if it won't be, then yeah via keystone. | 19:14 |
| jistr | pblaho: ah sorry i rushed into it, i forgot you have it halfway through. We can arrange who's going to tackle it further based on immediate priorities. | 19:14 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: it's not clear to me yet which case we're on; | 19:14 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: also, remember there may be many overclouds | 19:14 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: so it really /cannot/ be in the config file | 19:14 |
| pblaho | jistr: no problem at all | 19:14 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: agree | 19:15 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: may want to capture this into the bug log | 19:15 |
| lifeless | ok, any other high bugs to discuss? | 19:15 |
| lifeless | also, please remember to do bug triage? pretty much everyone can do triage... | 19:15 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:16 |
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| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:16 |
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| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:16 |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:16 |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:16 |
| * SpamapS is here now | 19:16 | |
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| SpamapS | helps if phone that alerts you to "all the things" is turned on | 19:16 |
| lifeless | I want to talk about the health of the project as far as reviews are concerned - not about how much any single reviewer is diong | 19:16 |
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| lifeless | and here's the key statistic: | 19:17 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 0 days, 8 hours, 20 minutes | 19:17 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 0 days, 6 hours, 7 minutes | 19:17 |
| lifeless | Number waiting more than 7 days: 0 | 19:17 |
| lifeless | Which I think is pretty good. | 19:17 |
| Ng | that reads well. be nice to get comparisons with other projects for context | 19:18 |
| rpodolyaka1 | this is really good, comparing to what we could see in Nova a few months ago | 19:18 |
| matty_dubs | +1, that beats my experiences with Horizon by a good bit but I don't know actual numbers | 19:18 |
| lifeless | this is nova today: | 19:18 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 3 days, 23 hours, 12 minutes | 19:18 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 2 days, 11 hours, 39 minutes | 19:18 |
| lifeless | Number waiting more than 7 days: 20 | 19:18 |
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| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/horizon-openreviews.html for horizon | 19:18 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 15 days, 1 hours, 15 minutes | 19:18 |
| Ng | I'm a bit worried that we're letting too many regressions through | 19:18 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 7 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes | 19:18 |
| lifeless | Number waiting more than 7 days: 16 | 19:18 |
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| SpamapS | Average wait time: 1 days, 15 hours, 16 minutes Median wait time: 0 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes Number waiting more than 7 days: 0 | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | thats Heat | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | with about the same number of contributors/developers | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | s/developers/core-reviewers/ | 19:19 |
| jcoufal | looks that we have very good numbers | 19:19 |
| lifeless | so lets keep this ticking along - good stuff | 19:19 |
| lifeless | right now 1/3 of reviews are awaiting a review | 19:19 |
| lifeless | but I suspect thats fine | 19:19 |
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| lifeless | we have a discussion going on on the list about -core reviewers and metrics etc; lets keep that on the list. | 19:20 |
| lifeless | anything else for reviews? | 19:20 |
| lifeless | Ng: oh regressions: better testing/CI | 19:21 |
| lifeless | Ng: defense in depth; review carefully of course, but defense in depth. | 19:21 |
| Ng | lifeless: indeed, I'm also a little less worried than I might be because we're not very mature yet | 19:21 |
| shadower | lifeless: elaborate please | 19:22 |
| shadower | "defense in depth" | 19:22 |
| matty_dubs | ++ | 19:22 |
| lifeless | shadower: use multiple different layers to achieve your goal | 19:22 |
| lifeless | shadower: the goal of 'less regressions' -> review, + more/better CI, + see if we can detangle the architecture to make review simpler... | 19:22 |
| shadower | right | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | We're pretty shallow at the moment, with mostly reviewers standing in the way, but toci has been fired up again, and we are aiming at gating of course. | 19:23 |
| lifeless | ok, | 19:23 |
| lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:23 | |
| lifeless | dib, tie, occ | 19:24 |
| lifeless | I think | 19:24 |
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| lifeless | tuskar folk - I don't know this yet - can we do releases of tuskar and python-client? | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | occ has one commit, but it is somewhat important. :) | 19:25 |
| lifeless | I know they aren't finished, but 0.0.1 etc will getit out there | 19:25 |
| lifeless | ensure that the 'do releases' codepath works | 19:25 |
| marios | SpamapS: still waiting for that nova patch afaik (baremetal id vs uuid) | 19:25 |
| matty_dubs | pardon my ignorance; what is occ? | 19:25 |
| Ng | os-collect-config | 19:25 |
| lifeless | also, is tuskar-ui something we can release | 19:25 |
| jistr | client is fairly complete if we talk about python bindings, CLI is not | 19:25 |
| lifeless | specifically, if we cut a release and someone pip installs, will it do something reasonably sane ? | 19:26 |
| matty_dubs | Ng: thanks; didn't recognize it by its acronym | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | marios: I'm not sure I understand what you mean. | 19:26 |
| lifeless | jistr: yeah, we might want completeness for 1.0.0, but not for | 19:26 |
| lifeless | 'get a release done' | 19:26 |
| pblaho | lifeless: w/r/t pip install ... I agree with jistr that client if ok as of python bindings | 19:26 |
| Ng | matty_dubs: occ, oac and orc are the trifecta of configuration leverage :D | 19:26 |
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| jcoufal | tuskar-ui has some major missing parts, which blocks user from building overcloud | 19:26 |
| jistr | ok. it still makes sense to release it that way, e.g. so that tuskar-ui can depend on a released version and not fetch from github | 19:27 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: thats ok, release doesn't indicate completeness | 19:27 |
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| marios | SpamapS: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48453/ | 19:27 |
| shadower | jcoufal: still? What's missing? | 19:27 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: release indicates installability, and not worse that the previous release ;) | 19:27 |
| jcoufal | shadower: I believe still racks/groups creation | 19:27 |
| marios | SpamapS: tuskar needs this | 19:27 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: sounds fair | 19:28 |
| pblaho | jistr: +1 for depending on released version and not on git | 19:28 |
| shadower | lifeless: it should be releasable as a lib you install alongside horizon and then configure the latter | 19:28 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:28 |
| shadower | depends on tuskar and python-tuskarclien obviously | 19:28 |
| lifeless | so - how about we try to release all three tuskar things as 0.0.1 today and see what breaks | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | marios: ok, it confused me that you addressed that comment to me. :) | 19:28 |
| lifeless | and file bugs if it doesn't release properly | 19:28 |
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| pblaho | lifeless: bug driven development? I alwayswanted to try it :-) | 19:29 |
| lifeless | pblaho: bugs to track the failure :) | 19:29 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: how do you feel if I ask you to do that? | 19:29 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: audit * for releases, JFDI it all ? | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: a combination of happy and nonchalence. :) | 19:30 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: I believe it might help to get stuff synchronized, I would say let's try it | 19:30 |
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| lifeless | any one 'releases' business? | 19:30 |
| pblaho | what jenkins jobs it will require? releasing to pypi / tarball ... docs | 19:30 |
| marios | SpamapS: oh sorry mate it was meant for lifeless but screen scrolling too fast | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: +1 | 19:30 |
| lifeless | pblaho: yeah, we may find the first thing is fixing up the infra config | 19:30 |
| lifeless | pblaho: in which case SpamapS will file appropriate bugs in the *tuskar* projects | 19:30 |
| lifeless | pblaho: I'm asking SpamapS to poke at this as he's done it for most of the tripleo projects - polished knowledge | 19:31 |
| pblaho | cool | 19:31 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:31 |
| lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: jog0: I'm out of date as of last night ;P | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: we're deploying continuously | 19:32 |
| lifeless | woo | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | we don't report if it failed | 19:32 |
| lifeless | so the two cards under 'current MVP' can be moved to done ? | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | and we don't test if it is even working | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | but it "finishes" | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I noted two reviews that should land so we can do it again from scratch, then I think yes | 19:32 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:33 |
| lifeless | ok so | 19:33 |
| lifeless | should we open the next MVP | 19:33 |
| lifeless | or do a bit of improving reliability / decreasing fragility first | 19:33 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: will it halt at least? | 19:33 |
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| lifeless | jog0: it won't halt :) | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | jog0: no | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | never | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | when this train explodes, we just send another train | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | we have lots of trains | 19:34 |
| lifeless | I'm inclined to suggest we open the next MVP up - stateful upgrades | 19:34 |
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| lifeless | because until that's done, it's kindof hard to suggest people /use/ this | 19:35 |
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| lifeless | and any improvements we make either reliability or otherwise are wasted | 19:35 |
| lifeless | thoughts? | 19:35 |
| jog0 | I think we should get tempest and warning about failures done first | 19:35 |
| lifeless | https://trello.com/b/0jIoMrdo/tripleo btw for everyone | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | actually right now the deploy is "finishing" but then we are seeing a permission denied ssh'ing in for the last bits of overcloud setup | 19:36 |
| lifeless | this is the kanban board for the cd deployed overcloud the tripleo project is running | 19:36 |
| derekh | been working on tempest Ran 2259 (+1472) tests in 2314.086s (+1605.471s) | 19:36 |
| derekh | FAILED (id=3, failures=190 (-33), skips=51) | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I don't feel that mvp0 is done until we at least have a way to know if the last deploy worked. | 19:36 |
| lifeless | derekh: cool! perhaps push it up even as a WIP so folk can run with it ? | 19:36 |
| jog0 | SpamapS: ++ | 19:36 |
| lifeless | derekh: with the dense collaboration around features, follow-the-sun handoff is likely to be a thing | 19:37 |
| derekh | lifeless: ok will do | 19:37 |
| lifeless | jog0: warning about failures ++ | 19:37 |
| lifeless | jog0: I am torn about tempest | 19:37 |
| lifeless | jog0: though it's right up there | 19:37 |
| lifeless | jog0: how about we log a status to another file | 19:38 |
| lifeless | jog0: e.g. '*********** deploy-overcloud failed **********' | 19:38 |
| lifeless | with a timestamp | 19:38 |
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| jog0 | how else d o we know our overcloud is fully operational | 19:38 |
| lifeless | then we can tail that file (and put it on anonymous http) | 19:38 |
| Ng | we need an IRC bot! | 19:38 |
| lifeless | Ng: toci has one | 19:38 |
| Ng | :) | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I'm tempted to suggest that we shift responsibility to jenkins from the very nice while; true loop.. just so we can observe the CD process. | 19:39 |
| derekh | Ng: https://github.com/openstack-infra/tripleo-ci/blob/master/toci_functions.sh#L67 | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: not as a blocker, but as a control for extra little helper things like "write to a status file" | 19:39 |
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| Ng | derekh: haha, wow | 19:40 |
| pblaho | derekh: wow.. that is really sofisticated bot... nice | 19:40 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: so it's probably a weeks work to get zuul in our environment : we need to write something to sync project metadata from openstack | 19:40 |
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| Ng | that is the first IRC bot I've seen written in sh :D | 19:40 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: plus the easier bits of install and configure zuul | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | man | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | just when I thought I had established "we don't need zuul" | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | you say we need zuul. | 19:41 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: you mentioned jenkins | 19:41 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: maybe I misunderstood | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | I'm just saying replace while; true and writing to a status file and irc botting and ... <insert all the other things jenkins already does> with jenkins. | 19:41 |
| lifeless | ah | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | I don't see it as a time sink but as a "lets not spend our time pimping out our temporary jenkins/zuul shim" | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | I'd be very worried about keeping jenkins feed and -secured- | 19:42 |
| lifeless | fed | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | yeah thats fair. | 19:43 |
| lifeless | if we had it in it's own node, we could respin the image as a meta-loop | 19:43 |
| lifeless | I think it's too big a step right now | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | anyway, I'll table it | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | shelve it even | 19:44 |
| lifeless | so lets not spin here: tempest is in progress | 19:44 |
| lifeless | we can do something super simple to capture status | 19:44 |
| lifeless | and derekh's toci bot seems brilliant for this too | 19:45 |
| lifeless | More code in toci that CD wants: derekh can we move that to incubator? I'm more and more thinking we need a 'feedbackloop' dedicated project, separate from CI, but I may be wrong | 19:46 |
| lifeless | synthesis from above: | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | - stay on MVP1 one until folk can tell easily whether it broke recently or nto | 19:46 |
| lifeless | - must have success/fail | 19:46 |
| derekh | lifeless: moving it ok with me | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | yeah because actually it is breaking | 19:46 |
| * mordred walks in an sees weird conversation about running jenkins | 19:46 | |
| SpamapS | racing with sshd starting and cloud-init finishing, I think | 19:46 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:47 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 19:47 |
| lifeless | #topic CI virtualized testing progress | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | pleia2 is going well with the etherpad we started at the sprint | 19:47 |
| lifeless | I think we should just drop the lxc spike | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | #topic Managing blueprints - migrate them all to tripleo? | 19:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Managing blueprints - migrate them all to tripleo? (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:48 | |
| lifeless | so this is a question I have | 19:48 |
| lifeless | we said last week we'd consolidate blueprints in /tripleo | 19:48 |
| lifeless | so that we don't have to search 7 projects for them | 19:48 |
| lifeless | but perhaps folk would rather we just made sure the name always has 'tripleo' in it and do a search ? | 19:49 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: that has worked for me in the past | 19:49 |
| tzumainn | I think that would definitely make sense for tuskar-ui | 19:49 |
| SpamapS | we had juju-* spread out over many projects, and just searched for that | 19:49 |
| lifeless | shadower - any thoughts? | 19:50 |
| shadower | lifeless: I'm personally fine either way | 19:50 |
| jcoufal | +1 for 'tripleo' prefix in blueprints | 19:50 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:50 |
| jistr | making sure 'tripleo' is in the name sounds a bit better to me. It will be still easy enough to list the blueprints related to a particular project | 19:51 |
| lifeless | so the consequence of this is that I'll rename them all, and any outstanding reviews with a blueprint topic will need their commit message updated | 19:51 |
| lifeless | #action lifeless to update all blueprint names | 19:51 |
| lifeless | # Tuskar mailing list - what to do with it? | 19:51 |
| lsmola_ | lifeless, does it have to be name or link? | 19:51 |
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| shadower | you mean the [tuskar] tag? | 19:51 |
| lifeless | #topic Tuskar mailing list - what to do with it? | 19:51 |
| shadower | in the subject | 19:51 |
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| lifeless | no, I mean the mailing list at launchpad.net/~tuskar | 19:51 |
| lifeless | I asked the LP sysadmins to merge ~tuskar into ~tripleo | 19:52 |
| shadower | lifeless: oh. Kill it -- no one ever used it | 19:52 |
| lifeless | they can't because there is a mailing list attached to ~tuskar | 19:52 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:52 |
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| shadower | lifeless: we were just using openstack-dev | 19:52 |
| lifeless | #action lifeless to remove ~tuskar list on LP | 19:52 |
| lifeless | #topic Reviews and +2 on something you fixed up | 19:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews and +2 on something you fixed up (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:52 | |
| lifeless | so this came up in the first few days of the CD experiment | 19:52 |
| lifeless | when say I start something, and say SpamapS fixes it | 19:53 |
| lifeless | can he still +2 it, or should he recuse himself? Or can I +2 it? | 19:53 |
| shadower | lifeless: you mean two people working on the same commit (gerrit change)? | 19:54 |
| Ng | can we leave that as a "I'll know it when I see it" based on how significant the second person's fix is? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | Ng: I'd be fine with that, but there was a fear of it being always bad | 19:54 |
| lifeless | shadower: yes | 19:54 |
| pblaho | lifeless: I am no sure right now but I thing I have seen auto +2 when you fix something after another dev... Am I right? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | shadower: person A does git review; person B does a review | 19:54 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: I would say the one who started it can +2 it but someone else needs to approve it | 19:54 |
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| lifeless | shadower: and then says 'I will action these items to move this along' | 19:55 |
| jistr | pblaho: i think that happens only for trivial rebases, maybe regardless of who has done the rebase | 19:55 |
| Ng | lifeless: how about we can accept one +2 from the union of folks who have worked on it, but someone uninvolved needs to provide the second +2? | 19:55 |
| pblaho | or that was just rebases with previous +2 | 19:55 |
| lifeless | shadower: and does git review -d <number>; hack hack hack git commit --amend; git review | 19:55 |
| matty_dubs | Ng++ | 19:55 |
| jcoufal | Ng this can be assured by +2 on approval | 19:55 |
| lifeless | Ng: I like that | 19:55 |
| shadower | yea me too | 19:56 |
| lifeless | Ng: though s/uninvolved/didn't write code for it/ | 19:56 |
| Ng | lifeless: yes, that's what I meant to imply | 19:56 |
| lifeless | since we're all rather involved... | 19:56 |
| Ng | :) | 19:56 |
| lifeless | looks like consensus to me | 19:56 |
| lifeless | #action lifeless to document | 19:56 |
| derekh | So approver can't be Committer in any of the patchsets | 19:56 |
| lifeless | bah, :P | 19:56 |
| lifeless | derekh: unless all core have contributed :) | 19:57 |
| * lifeless spots failure modes | 19:57 | |
| pblaho | in other words patchset needs +2 from not-author...? | 19:57 |
| derekh | lifeless: well, there is that | 19:57 |
| * SpamapS nods that consensus is indeed reached | 19:57 | |
| lifeless | pblaho: yes | 19:57 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:57 | |
| SpamapS | if all core contributed | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | ... | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | then all core should just review and default rules apply | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | seems like a rare case. | 19:58 |
| lifeless | I'm fairly sure it's a power law dropoff in folk that will pickup a single patch | 19:58 |
| lifeless | most 1 | 19:58 |
| lifeless | some 2 | 19:58 |
| lifeless | very few 3 | 19:58 |
| lifeless | etc | 19:58 |
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| pblaho | yeah.. .. from my (short) exp it seams that fixes are usually little things | 19:59 |
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| Ng | it might be nice if the original author +2'd the later fixes, without approving, but I don't think I'd want to require that | 20:00 |
| lifeless | ok, we're out of time | 20:01 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 8 20:01:04 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-10-08-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-10-08-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-10-08-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| pblaho | Ng: that would be nice but I am not sure about cases when original author is not available for sime time | 20:01 |
| lifeless | I'd love feedback about how the CD experiment is going | 20:01 |
| lifeless | perhaps we'll have time next week | 20:01 |
| Ng | pblaho: right | 20:01 |
| dkehn | lifeless, can you change the meeting time on the calendar, please | 20:01 |
| pblaho | Ng: you know... bus number... for that particular patchset would be 1 | 20:02 |
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| marios | 'night all | 20:02 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | night | 20:02 |
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| jcoufal | thanks everybody | 20:03 |
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| lifeless | dkehn: which calendar ? | 20:03 |
| lsmola_ | thaks everyone, good night | 20:03 |
| dkehn | openstack | 20:03 |
| dkehn | lifeless, I'm assuming thats where its coming from but it could be the outlook | 20:04 |
| dkehn | lifeless, correction outlook | 20:04 |
| lifeless | dkehn: I have no idea about that calendar | 20:04 |
| dkehn | lifeless, hmm, ok | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#TripleO_team_meeting | 20:05 |
| lifeless | is the official doc | 20:05 |
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| lifeless | and it's correct | 20:05 |
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| dkehn | lifeless, got it thx | 20:06 |
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