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| markwash | o/ glance folks | 14:00 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
| iccha | 0/ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 10 14:01:21 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| zhiyan | hi! | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | \o | 14:02 |
| markwash | Agenda for today is again at the following link | 14:02 |
| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| markwash | its an etherpad, so add as you see fit | 14:02 |
| markwash | Okay, looks like we can get started | 14:03 |
| flwang | o/ | 14:03 |
| markwash | #topic new core members | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new core members (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| markwash | I'm sure you all know zhiyan and flwang were nominated for glance core | 14:03 |
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| markwash | I added them to the group in gerrit, so now they can +2 | 14:04 |
| zhiyan | hi folks, this is zhiyan, 刘知言 is my Chinese name :) nice to see you, and glade to work with you. | 14:04 |
| zhiyan | and thanks for your support! again | 14:04 |
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| markwash | I'm very glad to have them on the team | 14:04 |
| markwash | #topic glance havana rc2 | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance havana rc2 (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
| flwang | markwash: thanks, it's glad to work with you guys | 14:05 |
| markwash | perhaps you've noticed that ttx and I set up a glance rc2 thanks to all the great bug finding/triaging/fixing you guys have been doing (among some others) | 14:05 |
| markwash | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-rc2 | 14:06 |
| markwash | Most of those have already landed in milestone-proposed | 14:06 |
| markwash | or anyway they've been approved and are going through the gate at the moment | 14:07 |
| markwash | there are two or three that need more attention | 14:07 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48943/ | 14:08 |
| markwash | zhiyan: you are +1 on that patch. . wanna go change it to +2 approve now that you're core? | 14:08 |
| markwash | its okay if you want more time to revisit it | 14:08 |
| zhiyan | done | 14:08 |
| iccha | thanks for listing them in etherpad markwash | 14:08 |
| zhiyan | just check it again | 14:08 |
| markwash | cool | 14:09 |
| markwash | then there is this critical review | 14:09 |
| markwash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49009/ | 14:09 |
| markwash | mclaren: it looks like there is a tiny bit of back and forth on that review, what's the status? | 14:09 |
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| markwash | nikhil: I think you were looking at it too, with a -1 | 14:09 |
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| mclaren | markwash: let me see | 14:10 |
| nikhil | markwash: ya | 14:11 |
| mclaren | markwash: hadn't noticed the -1 from nikhil | 14:11 |
| nikhil | one min, looking more | 14:11 |
| markwash | there's at least one change (in version_negotiation.py) that looks like maybe it was maybe unintentional (or maybe I misunderstand the signficance) | 14:11 |
| nikhil | markwash: I was hoping to see if people agreed to move all those logs in the debug mode | 14:13 |
| mclaren | markwash: that was intentional but I can revert it np | 14:13 |
| nikhil | some of them are in warn and error | 14:13 |
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| mclaren | nikhil: we run in debug mode in production, we find we need that level of verbiage to race problems | 14:13 |
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| nikhil | I've monitored the keystone client patch for a similar change and it was painful | 14:13 |
| mclaren | race -> trace | 14:13 |
| markwash | mclaren: hmm, I guess it actually not a problem to make that change in version_negotiation.py | 14:14 |
| markwash | strange that its not a translated string, oh well | 14:14 |
| nikhil | mclaren: gotcha, my suggestion was to have both LOG.debug and then LOG.warn/error | 14:14 |
| nikhil | so that if someone needs to go firefight, there is debug mode to help even if no logs in warn/error | 14:15 |
| venkatesh | mclaren: i left a small comment for clarification there. did not do -1 though. would be great to know your thoughts. | 14:15 |
| mclaren | nikhil: not sure I understand | 14:15 |
| mclaren | nikhil: log output is already differentiated betwen debug/warn/error, I think I'm missing something here | 14:16 |
| nikhil | mclaren: my suggestion was to have something like: | 14:16 |
| nikhil | LOG.debug(log my creds here) | 14:16 |
| nikhil | followed by | 14:16 |
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| nikhil | LOG.error(just print uri without creds) | 14:17 |
| nikhil | kinda thing | 14:17 |
| markwash | nikhil: I think mclaren was saying they run with debug on all the time, regardless of these specific messages. . so that duplicating these in error and debug wouldn't mean they don't need to run debug | 14:17 |
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| mclaren | yes | 14:17 |
| markwash | I think in general we have a commitment not to reveal credentials in logs of any form | 14:18 |
| markwash | I don't know if there are some exceptions to that | 14:18 |
| nikhil | markwash: I don't want to be pain here, however the keystone client patch never went in | 14:18 |
| nikhil | which was removing creds from logs | 14:19 |
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| markwash | nikhil: hmm, you don't happen to have a link to that patch? | 14:19 |
| mclaren | leaking the glance admin password would be catastrophic... | 14:19 |
| nikhil | it's in the review, I'll post here | 14:19 |
| markwash | ah, sorry I missed it | 14:19 |
| nikhil | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1004114 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42467/ | 14:19 |
| nikhil | markwash: ^^ | 14:19 |
| mclaren | venkatesh: thanks will take a look at your comment | 14:20 |
| venkatesh | mclaren: thanks. :) | 14:20 |
| markwash | hmm. I think I might just differ with dolph on this one | 14:21 |
| mclaren | venkatesh: which patch set was it against? (I don't see it on #8) thanks | 14:21 |
| markwash | I think it makes sense to run debug some of the time in production at least, and isolation of debug logs to a secure container may not really be a reliable option | 14:21 |
| nikhil | markwash: mclaren It was just a suggestion, I can remove -2 if glance decides to go other way .. just wanted to keep sanity within all projects in openstack otherwise it's a deployer's pain | 14:22 |
| nikhil | -1 | 14:22 |
| venkatesh | mclaren: it was against PS4 | 14:22 |
| mclaren | venkatesh: thanks | 14:22 |
| markwash | nikhil: but thanks for your thoroughness, I wouldn't have considered the issue as much without it | 14:22 |
| nikhil | I'm trying to fight a bug with swift auth version 2 atm so there's that pain which is being added here :) | 14:22 |
| venkatesh | mclaren: np | 14:22 |
| nikhil | markwash: thanks | 14:22 |
| markwash | looks like we'll get another patchset here soon, mclaren? I'd love to submit it to milestone-proposed in the next 4 hours or so | 14:23 |
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| markwash | but really any time before tomorrow is probably okay | 14:23 |
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| mclaren | venkatesh: could it be patch PS3? | 14:23 |
| venkatesh | mclaren: its part of the review comment section. its not an inline comment. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49009/ sorry about the confusion | 14:24 |
| markwash | it looks like the question is about why bother changing the migration scripts | 14:25 |
| mclaren | markwash: sure, happy to help out. | 14:25 |
| mclaren | markwash: we definitely need a new PS? | 14:25 |
| venkatesh | markwash: yes mark. also the current log message might not give us much details on which row had problem | 14:26 |
| markwash | mclaren: maybe not. . I was just guessing based on the back and forth here | 14:26 |
| markwash | it seems +2'able to me, but I want to wait to hear folks out | 14:26 |
| mclaren | venkatesh: the migrate script will log to syslog/wherever in the same way as the api | 14:27 |
| mclaren | venkatesh: so I figured the other changes were pointless if we still ended up with the password in the log files anyway | 14:27 |
| markwash | mclaren: venkatesh: it seems that log is only for invalid store uris. Would it be possible to add a little more identifying info to that log, just to help narrow down the search if such a message appears? something like the related image_id? | 14:28 |
| mclaren | markwash: sure, makes sense | 14:28 |
| zhiyan | +1 | 14:28 |
| venkatesh | markwash: +1 | 14:29 |
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| zhiyan | image_id maybe a good candidate | 14:29 |
| markwash | okay cool | 14:29 |
| mclaren | zhiyan: you had suggested similar elsewhere if I remember correctly | 14:29 |
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| zhiyan | yes, but not for migrate script. mclaren | 14:29 |
| markwash | any other potential blockers people know of for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49009/ ? | 14:29 |
| zhiyan | it's store driver iirc. mclaren ^ | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i'm ok, but prefer add something to migrate script, like venkatesh proposed. | 14:30 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: sounds good, I think mclaren is okay with making that change in another patchset. . pls correct me | 14:31 |
| mclaren | markwash: I'll push up a new patch with the id in migrate script in the next hour | 14:31 |
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| zhiyan | mclaren: cool. thanks. | 14:31 |
| mclaren | np | 14:31 |
| markwash | great, thanks guys | 14:31 |
| venkatesh | mclaren: thank you. :) | 14:31 |
| mclaren | srue | 14:32 |
| mclaren | sure | 14:32 |
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| markwash | any more rc2 notes/issues/bugs? | 14:32 |
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| flwang | markwash: a tiny issue | 14:32 |
| flwang | markwash: should we update glance man date? https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/doc/source/man/glanceapi.rst | 14:33 |
| flwang | seems all of them are out of date long ago | 14:33 |
| markwash | wow that is pretty bad :-) | 14:33 |
| flwang | seems we're assuming the deployer never look at it :) | 14:34 |
| markwash | flwang: is there a bug for that? | 14:34 |
| flwang | I guess the content is out of date as well, is it? | 14:34 |
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| flwang | not yet, just notice it | 14:34 |
| markwash | flwang: would you mind filing one? I guess its not the most critical issue but nice to at least fix it up in Icehouse | 14:35 |
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| flwang | markwash: sure, will do | 14:35 |
| markwash | okay, if nothing else, moving on to check in with the on going async work | 14:35 |
| markwash | #topic async tasks status check in | 14:35 |
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| zhiyan | 1 sec markwash | 14:36 |
| nikhil | venkatesh: ^^ | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | not sure you notice https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1226013 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1236868 | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | do you think they are good candidate for rc2 | 14:36 |
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| markwash | I'm not sure. . its definitely a bug, but I guess I can't see what it would break exactly? | 14:37 |
| markwash | it seems like it would just be an unfortunate "huh that's unexpected" moment for a user | 14:37 |
| markwash | and then they would delete it again? | 14:37 |
| dosaboy | markwash: depends how serious it is if a deleted image ends up in 'killed' state | 14:38 |
| dosaboy | it's just a race condition really | 14:38 |
| zhiyan | i think they are not break something | 14:38 |
| dosaboy | but as you say, if the user can just deleted the killed (but deleted) image | 14:39 |
| flwang | markwash: for 1236868, I think it's impacting the image state | 14:39 |
| dosaboy | that's fine | 14:39 |
| markwash | flwang: right. . but can I just delete the image again if its in the 'killed' state? | 14:39 |
| zhiyan | but there are 2 points to me: 1. the status is wrong for the operation sequence to end user, like you said. 2. the v2 and v1 api's behavior is different for the same operation sequence. | 14:39 |
| dosaboy | there is also the point that if an image is in killed state, the user expects the data to be extant | 14:40 |
| dosaboy | if i understand correctly | 14:40 |
| zhiyan | dosaboy: are you saying image content can be partial leak? | 14:41 |
| flwang | markwash: TBH, I think it's a tricky, just like I mentioned in the comments. depends on how we define the root cause of the failure | 14:41 |
| markwash | I guess for rc2 I only care about the ease of workarounds really | 14:41 |
| dosaboy | zhiyan: well, its kind of the reverse i think | 14:41 |
| markwash | if it put the image in a state it could never recover from, we should fix it for rc2 | 14:41 |
| markwash | otherwise we should just fix it in master | 14:42 |
| dosaboy | if the image gets deleted completely but is left in 'killed' state | 14:42 |
| dosaboy | markwash: agreed | 14:42 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, i'm fine for master. | 14:42 |
| dosaboy | need to verify that | 14:42 |
| flwang | dosaboy: as I said, I think it depends what's the root cause of the image create failure | 14:42 |
| dosaboy | flwang: very possibly | 14:42 |
| dosaboy | i'm not familiar with all paths that can lead to 'killed' | 14:43 |
| dosaboy | you guys are the experts :) | 14:43 |
| flwang | I will take a look as well | 14:43 |
| flwang | markwash: async workers? | 14:44 |
| markwash | okay, thanks for bringing those up | 14:44 |
| markwash | async workers!!!!1 | 14:44 |
| nikhil | markwash: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50788/ | 14:44 |
| nikhil | venkatesh: and I spent some time on the db patch last evening | 14:44 |
| markwash | we had a meeting yesterday, at 1400 UTC and I think we're planning on another next Tuesday at 1400 UTC | 14:44 |
| venkatesh | nikhil: thanks | 14:44 |
| markwash | the main thing we talked about yesterday was a slight change to the HTTP and DB apis | 14:45 |
| venkatesh | markwash: yes mark. the patch that we submitted yesterday are related to those changes. | 14:45 |
| markwash | essentially, the goal is to have better mysql performance by not doing bulk list queries on tables with TEXT columns | 14:45 |
| markwash | I know most of the folks here were at the meeting, I just want to summarize for the record | 14:46 |
| markwash | venkatesh: I saw that patch. . I have to say I really hate to land something that makes it so, for the same task, task_repo.list()[0] != task_repo.get(<task_id>) | 14:47 |
| venkatesh | markwash: you are right mark. that was the first cut. i am still working on it. | 14:47 |
| markwash | okay cool. | 14:47 |
| markwash | I mean, i think we could live with that patch as an intermediate step for sure | 14:48 |
| nikhil | markwash: more comments please, so that we can bec onfident about landing :) | 14:48 |
| flwang | venkatesh: and I saw there are same "created_at", "updated_at", "deleted", too bad | 14:48 |
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| nikhil | oh run_at too | 14:48 |
| flwang | as I said, seems we need 2 times deletion for 1 task, is it? | 14:48 |
| nikhil | nope | 14:49 |
| venkatesh | flwang: no. the model base currently that we are extending it forcing us to use those columns | 14:49 |
| markwash | I wonder if we could also have a quick chance to review the proposed change to the http api, since that's the most significant thing we deliver (due to the commitment to backwards compatibility with it) | 14:49 |
| markwash | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-tasks-api#List_Tasks | 14:49 |
| nikhil | for soft-deletes the entry in other table won't matter | 14:50 |
| flwang | venkatesh: i know, but I don't like it :) | 14:50 |
| venkatesh | flwang: may be i can add the points that we know as need to be fixed | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | so i don't have "created_at", just "updated_at" | 14:50 |
| venkatesh | flwang: me neither. :) | 14:50 |
| nikhil | markwash: flwang venkatesh: one thing we observed about the formatting of task back from db even while doing a show did not have input, message, result | 14:50 |
| markwash | venkatesh: would it make sense to skip created_at, updated_at, and deleted_at for the TaskInfo table? | 14:51 |
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| flwang | nikhil: yep, maybe we should allow update the 'input' | 14:51 |
| flwang | however | 14:52 |
| zhiyan | do we have plan to give 1 task have more taskinfo in future? | 14:52 |
| venkatesh | markwash: yes mark that make sense. i am trying to figure out a better solution. as its all derived from single ModelBase | 14:52 |
| zhiyan | venkatesh: % | 14:52 |
| markwash | venkatesh: yeah, that may make it complicated | 14:52 |
| flwang | given the task will be run immediately, so I doubt if there is a chance to update 'input' | 14:52 |
| markwash | venkatesh: there might be some stuff in openstack common to make this easier though. . that is, they might have separated some if those concerns already for us | 14:52 |
| markwash | (hmm, we're running a bit low on time) | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | flwang: +1 no task update, at least not now | 14:53 |
| nikhil | flwang: I think we should allow all | 14:53 |
| venkatesh | markwash: yes mark. there is a patch already submitted to bring in oslo/db. may be that might help us fix this easily | 14:53 |
| nikhil | flwang: we can discuss offline | 14:53 |
| flwang | nikhil: sure | 14:54 |
| markwash | just to kind of close things out for now | 14:54 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/glance+branch:master+topic:bp/async-glance-workers,n,z | 14:54 |
| markwash | I had penciled in some talk about other future blueprints | 14:54 |
| mclaren | markwash: o/ | 14:54 |
| markwash | mclaren: go for it | 14:54 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 14:54 |
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| mclaren | markwash venkatesh: I took a quick look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49009/ ... it may not be that easy to print the image_id. All you have to work with at that point in the code is a uri which is known to be malformed. | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | can i get an "amen" on what we are planning to expose in the (sparse) task list response? | 14:55 |
| markwash | rosmaita: Amen! | 14:55 |
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| markwash | (from me at least :-) | 14:56 |
| iccha | markwash: when free can u check this out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48076/ | 14:56 |
| nikhil | me too | 14:56 |
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| markwash | iccha: sure thing | 14:56 |
| flwang | rosmaita: so after discussed with UI guys, that's the final proposal? | 14:57 |
| iccha | mclaren: too ^ | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | flwang: it was inconclusive | 14:57 |
| mclaren | iccha: I'll try :-) | 14:57 |
| markwash | iccha: if you're okay with the suggestion we came up in email, I think its a good approach | 14:57 |
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| venkatesh | mclaren: yes it needs little bit of more work. we might have to throw the exception and handle it in 'migrate_location_credentials' probably | 14:58 |
| flwang | rosmaita: ok | 14:58 |
| iccha | yeah i mainly wanted mclaren to check it out, cause will be working with hemanth_ on it today/tom | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | the only thing holding me back is that including 2 times would make sorting more complicated ... is that stupid? | 14:58 |
| markwash | rosmaita: are you talking about including another schema in the list schema? | 14:59 |
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| markwash | not sure I follow | 14:59 |
| flwang | I think we don't want to sort Text columns | 14:59 |
| flwang | rosmaita: are you talking about this? | 15:00 |
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| nikhil | we'r past the hour now | 15:00 |
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| rosmaita | flwang: let's move to openstack-glance channel | 15:00 |
| markwash | true | 15:00 |
| markwash | thanks errbody! | 15:01 |
| nikhil | and I missed tha chance of possible bp | 15:01 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 10 15:01:11 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-10-14.01.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-10-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-10-14.01.log.html | 15:01 |
| mclaren | thanks markwash | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | thanks | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 10 15:01:50 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | hello folks | 15:02 |
| yportnova | hi | 15:02 |
| caitlin56 | hi | 15:02 |
| alexpecoraro | hi | 15:02 |
| aostapenko | hi | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | err, I just realized that I forgot to update the agenda again | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | and nobody else put any topics on there so we'll have to wing it again | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic incubation | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I submitted the incubation request for manila just now | 15:04 |
| bswartz | the process is actually to create a wiki and then send a link to the TC | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila_Overview | 15:04 |
| bswartz | Anyone is welcome to take a look and fix errors, considering it's a wiki | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | I got this reviewed by a few people though so I'm reasonably happy with the content -- the main thing I'm unsure about is the list of developers | 15:05 |
| bswartz | if I missed anyone please add yourself | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | I'm pretty confident that we'll be accepted, but it might not happen next week if the TC is wrapped up with Havana release issues | 15:07 |
| bswartz | The TC meets on Tuesday afternoons and considers requests during those meetings | 15:07 |
| bswartz | there may be some discussion on the openstack-dev list, and you're all welcome to add your opinions | 15:08 |
| bswartz | enough about that though | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic networking | 15:08 |
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| alexpecoraro | just quickly wanted to add - related to incubation | 15:09 |
| bswartz | so we have some news on the challenges we face getting networking implemented properly | 15:09 |
| alexpecoraro | shahir wanted me to let you know that he plans to submit a blueprint for an EMC Manila driver either today or tomorrow | 15:09 |
| bswartz | yportnova: do you want to update the group on the issues you've discoverd? | 15:09 |
| yportnova | bswartz: yes | 15:10 |
| bswartz | alexpecoraro: that's great | 15:10 |
| yportnova | I was looking how to implement networking plumbing case | 15:10 |
| bswartz | alexpecoraro: I didn't put his name on the list of developers, I used yours | 15:10 |
| yportnova | I found to solutions: 1. using neutron's provider network extensions 2. Configuring vlan interfaces on storage (accordingly to tenant network's segmentation id) | 15:11 |
| alexpecoraro | i'm not sure if he wanted to be listed or not, but i'll ask him to add himself and he'll get his name right - its shamail tahir not shahir tamail :) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | yportnova: what about the problems we have which are common to the Ironic project? | 15:12 |
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| yportnova | We have storage that should be connected to private network, they have Baremetal instances that also should be connected to private network | 15:14 |
| yportnova | I think the netwotking model for us and for them can be the same | 15:14 |
| bswartz | yportnova: and as far as we know are the Neutron APIs that we need implemented or not? | 15:14 |
| caitlin56 | Fundamentally, we need to be able to add a VNIC to a non-VM, correct? | 15:14 |
| yportnova | caitlin56: yes | 15:15 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: yes, and Ironic has the same requirement | 15:16 |
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| yportnova | bswartz: Provider Network is implemented and we can use it | 15:16 |
| bswartz | yportnova: is that what the Ironic team plans to do as well? | 15:16 |
| yportnova | bswartz: provider network approach is not suitable for Ironic | 15:18 |
| caitlin56 | What identification of a newly attached network is ironic going to provide, and is that adequate for a NAS server to identify what file systems it is supposed to export to that network? | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: the issue here is the low level network connectivity | 15:19 |
| bswartz | higher level stuff like filesystems it not relevant to Neutron | 15:19 |
| caitlin56 | Yes, and we may have to fill that gap ourselves. | 15:19 |
| bswartz | the basic workflow needs to go like this: | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | 1) Ask neutron to provision us IPs for us out of the tenant network (1 per virtual NIC) | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | 2) Create the virual NICs on the storage controller(s) using the assigned IPs | 15:21 |
| bswartz | 3) Tell neutron where those virtual NICs are cabled in so it can plumb them through to the tenant network | 15:21 |
| bswartz | 1 is existing funcitonality, 2 is the job of manila and the backend drivers, 3 is something I'm not sure about yet | 15:22 |
| bswartz | step 4 would be to configure the backend to export teh filesystems over the virtual NICs | 15:22 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: what information would a hypervisor receive for the equivalent of steps 2 and 3 if this were a VNIC for a VM? Is this a case of just needing the same info? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | yportnova: can you explain how we can do 3 with the provider network APIs? if not here then maybe produce a writeup in the form of a blueprint? | 15:23 |
| jcorbin | For step 3, when a VM is instantiated Neutron will call the ML2 mechanism drivers so that the switch can configure the VLAN on the switch port connected to the host containing the VM. | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | jcorbin: how is the switch port determined for a nova instance? | 15:24 |
| yportnova | bswartz: the one case I described is: 1) Ask neutron to provision us IPs of the tenant network (1 per virtual NIC) and get segmentation_id (VLAN) of network 2) Create corresponding vlan interfaces on storage 3) Create sec-groups allowing incoming traffic to VMs. | 15:24 |
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| yportnova | bswartz: and we will have 2-way comunication between VM and storage | 15:25 |
| jcorbin | I can only speak for Arista switches but we store the topology and can figure out which host is connected to which port by the mac address. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | okay well the storage controllers will definitely be able to supply MAC addrs for the virtual NICs they use | 15:26 |
| bswartz | so if that's all that's needed by neutron then this might be fairly simple | 15:26 |
| bswartz | we just need to prototype it and prove that it works | 15:26 |
| jcorbin | bswartz: I would like to help if possible. | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | obviously the driver interface will need some new methods to communicate with the storage controlle to create virtual NICs and get their MAC addrs, etc | 15:27 |
| caitlin56 | Actual switches should not be involved in creating VNICs. You are *adding* VLANs to existing ethernet links. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | jcorbin: that would be awesome -- grab me 1on1 after the meeting | 15:28 |
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| caitlin56 | So the storage appliance is effectively pretending to be a Hypervisor and a Virtual Switch -- hopefully without having to fully pretend. | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: yes, it's unclear to me if it makes sense to allow neutron to pick the VLAN number or to let the storage controller pick the VLAN number | 15:28 |
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| caitlin56 | Wouldn't neutron *have* to pick the VLAN if it is also attaching clients who are VMs? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | obviously neutron does need to pick the IP address, subnet mask, and gw IP | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: most likely, unless there are switches that can perform VLAN-translation | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | I'm not an expert on switch technology -- VLAN translation seems like a simple trick to me but maybe it's harder than I think | 15:30 |
| caitlin56 | VLAN translation leads to risk of VLAN-routing, which can produce loops. I'd avoid that. | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | okay in that case let's assume that neutron will be telling us what VLAN to use, in addition to the IP/mask/gw | 15:31 |
| caitlin56 | Not that we would be creating that risk, but some network admins will be very suspicious of VLAN translation. | 15:31 |
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| jcorbin | caitlin56: The tenant network segmentation id is the vlan number assuming the segmentation type is vlan. | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | okay so ignoring the issues around how we implement this in the backend driver itself, do we know enough to prototype this necessary interactions between manila and neutron? | 15:32 |
| jcorbin | caitlin56: When you provision the VM you specify the tenant network(s) to connect it to which indirectly specifies the VLAN(s) being used. | 15:33 |
| caitlin56 | What stable network identifiers will we be promised by neutron? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | jcorbin: how does openstack handle >4094 tenants when vlan segmentation is used? | 15:33 |
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| jcorbin | caitlin56: Do you mean network segementation types? | 15:34 |
| caitlin56 | jcorbin: no, how do we recognize the "XYZ Corp" tenant network as being the XYZ Corp tenant network? | 15:35 |
| jcorbin | bswartz: It doesn't that is the limit. VXLANs will get you beyond 4094 tenant networks. | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | jcorbin: is anyone doing 802.1 QinQ to get around the limit? | 15:36 |
| jcorbin | bswartz: I do not know if anyone is doing 802.1 QinQ. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | okay well that's enough on this topic for now I think | 15:37 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: I believe the current 802.1 official solution is Provider Bridging. Which I haven't seen being adopted by virtualization folks at all. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | this is a rich area and we'll get many chances to revisit it | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I want to talk about... | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | #topic LVM driver | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | So the existing LVM drivers for Manila are basically single-tenant drivers | 15:38 |
| bswartz | they could support multiple tenants but only if you use flat networking | 15:38 |
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| caitlin56 | bswartz: clarify, what do you mean by "LVM driver for manila", LVM would most naturally be for Cinder. | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | We need to either (1) extend the LVM driver to support multitenancy or (2) create another "generic" driver that supports multitenancy | 15:39 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: I'm referring to the generic driver that uses local LVM storage and the LInux NFSD or Samba | 15:40 |
| caitlin56 | Running generic Linux NFSD/Samba over LVM as provided by Cinder? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | the generic drivers are important because devstack will use them and all of the tempest test will rely on them working well | 15:40 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: no there's no dependency on cinder | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | The generic drivers are also important as reference implementations for other driver authors | 15:41 |
| caitlin56 | Generic Linux NAS over strictly local native Linux LVM? | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | and lastly, I expect some poor souls will actually put them into production on white box hardware, much like people currently do with the cinder LVM drivers | 15:41 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: last time I checked it was strictly local LVM | 15:42 |
| bswartz | we're of course free to implement whatever we need to here -- maybe a driver that layers on top of cinder would not be a bad thing | 15:43 |
| caitlin56 | The real question here is whether this reference platform requires partitions to be assigned to tenants, or just file systems from shared partitions. | 15:43 |
| bswartz | simplicity is important though -- insofar as the drivers will be used a reference implementations and used by automated testing | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | I think we need to have at least one generic driver that can support network partitions | 15:44 |
| bswartz | that driver may not be the one that ends up running in devstack by default, depending on how complex it is to make it work | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | and that's exactly what I'd like to talk about | 15:44 |
| caitlin56 | So does each tenant have a root mount point in a shared file system, or its own root device? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I don't believe it's possible to have 1 Linux box join 2 kerberos domains at the same time, or to have different daemons use different DNS servers | 15:45 |
| caitlin56 | The latter is clearly simpler, but it is adequate for at most tesgting. | 15:45 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: regard the storage side of this, they could only share filesystems if the FS had quota enforcement such that one tenant could not steal another tenant's space | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I suspect that separate filesystems are safer from that standpoint | 15:47 |
| bswartz | not to mention general paranoia about mixing tenant data in a common filesystems | 15:47 |
| bswartz | from the DNS/domain perspective though, I'm more worried | 15:47 |
| caitlin56 | What's the in-kernel availability of anything like Solaris zones? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | I'd rather not be forced to implement full virtualization of the NFS or Samba daemons to implement multitenancy in the generic drivers | 15:48 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: I was hoping someone would know the answer to that :-P | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I haven't researched the topic myself | 15:49 |
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| caitlin56 | I know there are products, but I don't know their relationship to kernel.org Linux. | 15:49 |
| bswartz | glenng is going to look at it soon, but if anyone has any ideas/suggestions we'd love to hear them | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | My first thought is usermode Linux, but I have zero familiarity with that | 15:50 |
| caitlin56 | With Solaris zones we can run the daemons in a zone and access devices that are exported from the core. I believe you can do the same in Linux,, but I don't know the deetails. | 15:50 |
| bswartz | have solaris zones or BSD jails been ported to Linux directly? | 15:51 |
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| caitlin56 | There are equivalent products. I don't know if they are mainline though. | 15:51 |
| bswartz | it seems impossible that this problem hasn't been solved somewhere by somebody | 15:51 |
| bswartz | I just unfortunately don't know the solution yet | 15:52 |
| bswartz | anyways look for more answers to these problems as we work on them in the coming weeks | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I'd like to have concrete plans by Hong Kong so we can go into IceHouse and just write the code | 15:53 |
| bswartz | that's all I have | 15:53 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:53 |
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| caitlin56 | Would it be acceptable if the reference file server launched VMs for each tenant under a Hypervisor? | 15:53 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: acceptable yes, but that's pretty heavyweight | 15:53 |
| caitlin56 | Way too heavyweight for a product, but possibly acceptable for testing. | 15:54 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: that *wouldn't* be acceptable in a devstack/tempest automated testing environment I don't think | 15:54 |
| bswartz | we don't want the manila tests to suck up way more resources than the rest of openstack or everyone will hate us | 15:54 |
| caitlin56 | But we could take that as a starting point, and look for ways to improve on it. | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | possibly | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | anyone have other topics to add? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | next week let's try to get a real agenda together (me included) | 15:56 |
| bswartz | okay thanks everyone | 15:56 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 10 15:56:40 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-10-15.01.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-10-15.01.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-10-15.01.log.html | 15:56 |
| caitlin56 | Quick research result: LXC. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: jump over to #manila | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | #manila is shorthand for #openstack-manila for those that don't know | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: “chroot on steroids” -- I love it | 15:58 |
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| caitlin56 | I'll see if I can find answers on which services are mapped to LXC containers. | 16:01 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: DNS is the big one that needs to be segmented | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | aside from that just the basic services that are required for nfs, so the portmapper stuff, the mount service, the nfs server, the kerberos services | 16:02 |
| bswartz | and samba's services for the cifs driver | 16:02 |
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| caitlin56 | yeah, it needs to be the entire "network" | 16:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are you here? :) | 18:05 |
| ruhe | hi | 18:05 |
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| dmitryme | yep | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:06 |
| aignatov_ | hi | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm, no quorum | 18:06 |
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| akuznetsov | hi | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's start | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 10 18:07:10 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Action items from the last meeting | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Code freeze | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info News / updates | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Design Track sessions | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info General discussion | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:07 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info ACTION: all to find and fix gaps in the docs for 0.3 release | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks like it is in the WIP state | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action all to find and fix gaps in the docs for 0.3 release | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info ACTION: all to check their blueprints and update their descriptions and statuses | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/0.3 | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | not all bps are resolved... | 18:09 |
| aignatov_ | that's not good | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, let's ckear them till tomorrow | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clear* | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info [DONE] ACTION: ruhe to create root documentation blueprint and add work items to it | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Code freeze | 18:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Code freeze (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:11 | |
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| SergeyLukjanov | due to the some open bugs and not resolved blueprint I'll push rc3 tag at this weekend and it'll be the code freeze barrier | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | please, land all your CRs (not docs) till the Friday evening | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | can docs creating task be postponed? | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | ok | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep, docs could be merged till the 0.3 tag | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info rc3 tag at this weekend and it'll be the code freeze barrier | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | tmckay, so we should work on the several bug in edp tommorow | 18:13 |
| aignatov_ | not docs | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any questions? | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:13 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | First pass at UI doc is up for review. Please let me know if you want any tweaks or additional info. | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | btw here is a checklist - https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/0.3 | 18:14 |
| aignatov_ | since we have created bp on docs creating for 0.3, me, tmckay and crobertsrh have stqarted working on this | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | rc2 tag is already in repo | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it consists of dashboard that uses savanna client | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and integration tests that do the same thing ;) | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | btw release page - https://github.com/openstack/savanna/releases | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://github.com/openstack/savanna/releases | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/0.3_Release_Schedule | 18:17 |
| aignatov_ | I see that we have some interesting thing on the review ;) | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other updates? | 18:18 |
| aignatov_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50720/ | 18:18 |
| aignatov_ | this is plugin for IDH! Wow! | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's move on | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap cleanup / update (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:19 | |
| jmaron | making progress on neutron private network/namespace support | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Roadmap | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nothing to update in roadmap from my side | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks like no updates here today | 18:20 |
| ruhe_ | moment please | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design track sessions | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | all of you know that we have 4 slots at Design Summit this November | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nov 8 | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 4 x 40 mins | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there are some proposed themes to dicsuss | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info http://summit.openstack.org | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyone can propose additional themes to dicsuss | 18:21 |
| ruhe_ | in addition to roadmap topic | 18:22 |
| ruhe_ | i don't see anything related to ceilometer, devstack and tempest integration | 18:22 |
| jmaron | neutron support | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any suggestion about things to discuss at design summit in addition to the http://summit.openstack.org ? | 18:23 |
| jmaron | (provisioning over private nets) | 18:23 |
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| aignatov_ | jmaron, neutron support you mean to add to design tracks or to roadmap? | 18:23 |
| jmaron | design tracks | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, please add a proposal for it http://summit.openstack.org | 18:24 |
| ruhe_ | SergeyLukjanov, can i add those items to roadmap myself? | 18:24 |
| aignatov_ | could you please send a topic aand some description at summit.openstack.org? | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe_, lgtm to add them to the roadmap | 18:24 |
| ruhe_ | ok, will do | 18:24 |
| jmaron | also - architecture enhancements to deal with service dependencies - certain services/components require others but there is no current mechanism for doing that | 18:24 |
| jmaron | at least automatically (beyond validation which doesn't really kick in till cluster creation and requires backtracking) | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, I think that there is no need to vote for it due to the need to integrate with them to become integrated project :) | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, please, add a proposal for it too | 18:26 |
| jmaron | I think I'll stop mentioning things now ;) | 18:26 |
| ruhe_ | i like performance topic suggested by mattf | 18:26 |
| aignatov_ | jmaron, that's great topci, coould you propose it as well? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe_,yeah, +1 | 18:26 |
| aignatov_ | me too, ruhe | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/215 | 18:26 |
| ruhe_ | so many topics... | 18:27 |
| ruhe_ | SergeyLukjanov will you choose 4 of them? | 18:27 |
| ruhe_ | or it should be a vote? | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | no, I'll prioritize them and merge important proposals to 4 sessions | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ^^ is a short description of how design summit works | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm planning to start doing in the middle of the next week | 18:30 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, we should send you our topic votes? | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for now I see following sessions (very high-level): architecture, edp, roadmap/goals and others | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, no, you should send proposals | 18:32 |
| mattf | ok | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | here is an announcement of design summit in Hong Kong from ttx with some details | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-September/014601.html | 18:33 |
| ruhe_ | i guess we can give our votes in the topic comments | 18:33 |
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| ruhe_ | at least for SergeyLukjanov to consider | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, good idea | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Savanna Design Summit schedule 1:30 - 2:10, 2:20 - 3:00, 3:10 - 3:50, 4:10 - 4:50 | 18:34 |
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| mattf | could setup a multi-winner vote like our ptl vote | 18:35 |
| mattf | output of vote is input to SergeyLukjanov. output is not a decision. | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's do it couple of fix before the summit | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fix -> weeks :) | 18:37 |
| * SergeyLukjanov thinking about open bugs targeted to 0.3 | 18:37 | |
| aignatov_ | tmckay, I see to bugs related to edp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1235229 | 18:38 |
| aignatov_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1237434 | 18:38 |
| aignatov_ | all of them are related to edp validation | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, could you help to organize this voting? | 18:38 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, sure, i'll take the action | 18:39 |
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| mattf | i'll use savanna contributors as the electorate | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, thx, I think that the right time to start it about the Oct 20 and end till the Oct 27 | 18:40 |
| mattf | ok | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | or a week earlier, let's discuss it afterwards | 18:41 |
| mattf | sure thing | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any questions or suggestions about design summit? | 18:42 |
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| ruhe_ | i'd suggest to combine several topics into "production quality". for instance topic suggested by jmaron will qualify for that | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | btw I think that we'll be able to include most of the proposed topics | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic General discussion | 18:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | who are planning to attend OpenStack Summit in Hong Kong? | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:47 |
| aignatov_ | o/ | 18:47 |
| jmaron | From HWX currently just John Speidel | 18:47 |
| mattf | i'm doing the passport dance atm. turns out mine expires w/i a month after summit. | 18:47 |
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| aignatov_ | Trevor or Chad? | 18:48 |
| mattf | tbd | 18:48 |
| crobertsrh | :) | 18:48 |
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| * crobertsrh has a fully up to date passport :) | 18:49 | |
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| ruhe_ | we need Savanna Foundation to fund every ATC to travel to every OS summit :) | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:50 |
| aignatov_ | lol | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need a huge donations for doing it :) | 18:51 |
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| mattf | i heard they are re-running their pass script because it caught ATC before savanna was accepted. can anyone confirm? | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I heard that it's not possible due to the end of discount period for summit registration... | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | (Oct 4) | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything more to discuss? | 18:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's end meeting | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thank you all | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 10 18:58:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-10-18.07.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-10-18.07.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-10-18.07.log.html | 18:58 |
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