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| dmakogon | i'm home | 18:32 |
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| cweidenkeller | o/ | 19:53 |
| hub_cap | lol @ 5 min early | 19:54 |
| cweidenkeller | -_- | 19:54 |
| KennethWilke | \o/ | 19:54 |
| hub_cap | stop it! ;) | 19:54 |
| dmakogon_ | guys, patience))) | 19:55 |
| KennethWilke | never! | 19:55 |
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| dmakogon_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| isviridov | o/ | 20:00 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 9 20:00:46 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| datsun180b | Oh, I think it's time | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:00 |
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| cp16net | o^/ | 20:00 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:01 |
| kevinconway | \\o// | 20:01 |
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| imsplitbit | o/ | 20:01 |
| datsun180b | present | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | o/ | 20:01 |
| isviridov | Hi all | 20:01 |
| SlickNik | here | 20:01 |
| pdmars_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| SlickNik | Hello all | 20:01 |
| KennethWilke | howdy | 20:01 |
| kevinconway | \\\o/// | 20:01 |
| cweidenkeller | oi | 20:01 |
| grapex | o/ | 20:01 |
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| hub_cap | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-02-20.00.html | 20:01 |
| juice | o/ | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | #topic update to action items | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | god SlickNik this is embarrasing | 20:01 |
| cp16net | lol | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | have u done any work w/ LP for group stuff? | 20:02 |
| SlickNik | ugh, I keep forgetting about this. I'm gonna do it right now. :) | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | #action SlickNik to check with other teams to set groups permissions correctly on LaunchPad | 20:02 |
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| hub_cap | ;) | 20:02 |
| SlickNik | very clever. | 20:02 |
| SlickNik | ;) | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | now its your fault if its not done | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | hahahahah victory | 20:03 |
| SlickNik | heh | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | #topic escaping dots in urls | 20:03 |
| dmakogon_ | does users could be able to retrigg their builds ? | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: go | 20:03 |
| datsun180b | okay | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: it has to do with that and modifying bugs / blueprints | 20:03 |
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| datsun180b | so there's a problem when issuing requests that end in a field that is dotted | 20:03 |
| datsun180b | user calls except create for example | 20:03 |
| datsun180b | so in case a username/hostname contains a dot, the route mapper has a habit of eating the final extension, thinking it's a file extension | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | can u give an example? | 20:04 |
| isviridov | doesn't user should encode url himself? | 20:04 |
| datsun180b | this can be a problem when issuing a call like GET /users/foo.bar, because the response ends up being a 404: 'user foo DNE' | 20:05 |
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| vipul | o/ | 20:05 |
| datsun180b | so to get around this we can escape the dots as %2e: "GET /users/foo%2ebar" | 20:05 |
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| dmakogon | ok with that | 20:05 |
| datsun180b | but to issue this call manually, it must be encoded a SECOND time: GET /users/foo%252ebar | 20:05 |
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| isviridov | datsun180b: is it python client issue? | 20:06 |
| datsun180b | This is an issue with the way we use route mapper | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | well the issue is _cuz_ we use route.mapper | 20:06 |
| datsun180b | This has been a pain point for Rax users, even ones using curl or similar clients to issue requests | 20:06 |
| dmakogon | how do we able to fix that ? | 20:07 |
| isviridov | It should be done on client side http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_urlencode.asp | 20:07 |
| datsun180b | One way would be to inspect the request object to look for the 'missing' extension | 20:07 |
| datsun180b | but that would require a whitelist of expected suffixes and limit possible usernames | 20:07 |
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| datsun180b | another approach would be to use unique ids for users that do not contain the username or host | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | ive ruled on this in the past fwiw, and i think it should not be something we whitelist. its up to the user to deal with | 20:08 |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: who uses curl for our api? | 20:08 |
| kevinconway | that sounds painful | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | lol kevinconway no rules against it | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | i write al my webapps in bash | 20:08 |
| dmakogon | hah | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | bash on bails? | 20:08 |
| dmakogon | nice | 20:08 |
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| grapex | kevinconway: Curl is the preferred choice for people who want to show examples proving they actually wrote a REST API and not something that requires a special client. :) | 20:09 |
| NehaV | but there needs to be a sophisticated way to handle it for customers | 20:09 |
| datsun180b | well i'm having a hard time speaking for all of our users | 20:09 |
| isviridov | so it is you job to encode urls properly, right? | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:09 |
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| datsun180b | i'll reiterate another approach: to not refer to users by their name or host in request URL | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | lets just say its the job of the consumer. i rule on it. | 20:09 |
| datsun180b | completely sidestep the issue | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: i agree w/ that somewhat, but the mysql api allows for it | 20:10 |
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| hub_cap | and how else can we delete users | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | :/ | 20:10 |
| datsun180b | delete users/user-uuid | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | if they are their own resource | 20:10 |
| NehaV | currently it is not clear how customers with a . name can easily handle it | 20:10 |
| datsun180b | that would be a v2 change i'm guessing | 20:10 |
| datsun180b | hub_cap: final word? | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | NehaV: we should document that | 20:11 |
| isviridov | it is ugly, we don't ask google to add extra logic to make incorrect requests working | 20:11 |
| dmakogon | so, make a conclusion | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | but we are not going to sacrifice functionlity of the app for this | 20:11 |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: can i take my 50/50 | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | obvi dmakogon wants us to move on | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | ;) | 20:11 |
| isviridov | it is standard, what we are talking about | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:12 |
| dmakogon | no, Ed said - "final word" ))) | 20:12 |
| kevinconway | isviridov: it's not standard to double url encode your input | 20:12 |
| NehaV | documenting is fine but we are not giving a good experience. this is a common use case to have . in username | 20:12 |
| datsun180b | especially in ipv4 addresses | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | NehaV: the other solutions limit the app behavior | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | you have to blacklist particular users that are allowed in mysql, artificilly limiting behavior | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | so we either accept that you have to encode, or limit our api | 20:13 |
| vipul | why not just patch routes? | 20:13 |
| isviridov | kevinconway: yes, that is why no additional logic of recognition wrong encoding on server side | 20:13 |
| vipul | does it give us the ability to get teh extension? | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | vipul: i did a while ago, for escaping dots | 20:13 |
| vipul | if so.. we could write some hack that concats | 20:13 |
| isviridov | what about url fixing on reverse proxy side if it exists? | 20:14 |
| vipul | we don't have any use case in our api for extensions anyway | 20:14 |
| kevinconway | i think we need a new daemon to translate user names to the right format | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | vipul: https://github.com/bbangert/routes/commit/1c5da13b9fc227323f7023327c8c97e9f446353f | 20:14 |
| datsun180b | for example if i wanted to name a user foobar.json it would be ambiguous | 20:14 |
| vipul | we allow .json in the url? is it meaningful? | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | yes we do | 20:15 |
| datsun180b | vipul: apparently it is | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | its a format string, try it out | 20:15 |
| vipul | that's what the accept is for | 20:15 |
| NehaV | hub_cap - isn't there a better way to fix it rather than just documenting and asking to add escape | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | .xml and .json | 20:15 |
| cp16net | it can override the accept headers | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | NehaV: not that doesnt break the overall functionality of the app for _anything_ that requires dots in urls | 20:15 |
| isviridov | hub_cap: +1 | 20:16 |
| datsun180b | well i'll note that we've exhausted 15 minutes of our weekly meeting about this. this discussion may need to continue somewhere or somewhen else with respect to the other issues we have to discuss | 20:16 |
| kevinconway | to the mailing list! | 20:16 |
| datsun180b | that's actually a good idea | 20:16 |
| dmakogon | ML or die | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | ML or die | 20:16 |
| cp16net | +1 | 20:16 |
| kevinconway | ML or pie | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | ill take pie | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | moving on | 20:17 |
| datsun180b | but i'm not in control of this meeting, i just technically have the floor. hub_cap, up to you to move the topic if you like | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | #topic Provisioning post ACTIVE | 20:17 |
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| hub_cap | vipul: this is u ya? | 20:17 |
| vipul | This is me.. comment on redthrux's patch for moving DNS provisioning | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | hey put your name on the things u add | 20:18 |
| vipul | things like DNS.. floating IPs.. security groups | 20:18 |
| vipul | aren't needed unless the instnace is usable | 20:18 |
| vipul | which means ACTIVE | 20:18 |
| vipul | so why not provision them after that | 20:18 |
| dmakogon | about that, we cannot add any resource creation after poll_untill cuz it would brake or limit heat workflow | 20:18 |
| grapex | vipul: I think the issue is they actually are needed | 20:18 |
| vipul | grapex: they are needed even if the instance never goes active? | 20:19 |
| dmakogon | cuz heat would cover every resources ever imagined | 20:19 |
| grapex | If there is no DNS, the instance can't actually be used. | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | i believe firmly that if the resources we are supposed to create do not get created, its FAILED | 20:19 |
| dmakogon | grapex: why is that ? | 20:19 |
| vipul | Sure.. which is why if DNS fails.. then we dont' consider it active | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | if we need a sec grp or dns, and the instance comes online but dns failed, mark it as FAILED | 20:19 |
| vipul | regardless of whether mysql came up | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | correct vipul | 20:19 |
| isviridov | do we have any cases when user fixes proviosioning parts? Like re-adding floating IP? | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | FAIL | 20:19 |
| grapex | vipul: dmakogon: Do you mean, why provision that stuff if the instance itself won't provison? Why not put it at the end? | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | isviridov: no point in that | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | just delete/recreate | 20:19 |
| grapex | I agree we should put it at the end- maybe | 20:20 |
| grapex | I just think the status should only be ACTIVE if *all* resources have provisioned | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:20 |
| vipul | sure.. agreed | 20:20 |
| isviridov | so, let us think about it as atomic thing | 20:20 |
| grapex | vipul: So maybe we agree on the point that the resource prov order should be changed | 20:20 |
| grapex | Currently, the status of ACTIVE comes back when the server and volume are ACTIVE and the guest status is also ACTIVE | 20:20 |
| dmakogon | server -> DB -> sec.gr -> fl.ip -> dns | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | well | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | server+db+sec+ip+dns | 20:21 |
| grapex | If we want to move the provisioning of other stuff until after the server provisions, then we'd need to essentially set the active status in the trove database at the end of the task manager provisioning routine | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | = ACTIVE | 20:21 |
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| dmakogon | this all would work with nova background | 20:21 |
| SlickNik | I agree on the ACTIVE part (i.e. an instance should go ACTIVE iff none of the component parts fail provisioning), still thinking about the order part. | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | so the status is async | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | its sent back from teh guest | 20:21 |
| isviridov | order is defined by dependencies, but result is single | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | so i dont think we need to necessarily wait for that to prov other resources | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | we can always clean up | 20:22 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Right now the active status checks the server and volume STATUS, plus the service (guest) status, and if they're all ACTIVE it shows the user ACTIVE | 20:22 |
| grapex | Maybe what we do is | 20:22 |
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| grapex | in the taskmanager, we wait until everything provisions, and then we save something to the trove DB as a marker saying we beleive all resources provisioned | 20:22 |
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| grapex | then the ACTIVE status is whether the Trove taskmanager thinks it finished plus if the service status is ACTIVE | 20:22 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap: vipul: grapex: how this would work with heat provisioning | 20:23 |
| vipul | couldn't we use task state for that | 20:23 |
| dmakogon | ?? | 20:23 |
| grapex | vipul: Maybe | 20:23 |
| vipul | so maybe we actually make use of that when aggregating the end user status | 20:23 |
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| grapex | dmakogon: Not sure, but I think if we changed that it would be closer to what we need for Heat | 20:23 |
| vipul | taksmanager goes to PROVISION COMPELTE or whatever -> implies ACTIVE | 20:23 |
| grapex | vipul: Or maybe it should be set to NONE- | 20:24 |
| grapex | that actually would be more consistent with the other action code | 20:24 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap: vipul: grapex: when we are using heat all resources already created with stack, so we cannot manipulate and controll creation of any instance related resources ! | 20:24 |
| grapex | vipul: But I agree with the idea | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | +1 dmakogon | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | lets not change it | 20:24 |
| isviridov | +1 | 20:24 |
| SlickNik | dmakogon: Ideally heat would be able to provision all this for us, so we wouldn't have to piecemeal provision an instance. | 20:24 |
| dmakogon | hub_capL totally agree with you | 20:24 |
| vipul | can't you do thinks with HEAT that wait for conditions to be met | 20:25 |
| grapex | dmakogon: The idea isn't that we're dramatically changing it, we're just moving stuff around a bit | 20:25 |
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| grapex | Btw, I only think this is necessary if we care about the order of provisioning | 20:25 |
| dmakogon | grapex: it would brake whole workflow provisioning | 20:25 |
| grapex | I personally don't know if its worth doing now | 20:25 |
| dmakogon | i'm suggesting to leave it as it is | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | vipul: WaitConditions | 20:26 |
| vipul | For now, we could let it go to ACTIVE.. and if DNS proviisioning fails, mark as FAILED | 20:26 |
| grapex | dmakogon: I honestly agree. Vipul, what was a big motivation to change the order? | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | lets solve redthrux's meeting | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | LOL | 20:26 |
| vipul | I don't think the whole status reporting needs to be solved | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | issue | 20:26 |
| grapex | vipul: I don't think that would work for DNS | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | i dont think the whole thing needs to be redone | 20:26 |
| grapex | So redthrux had to miss the meetign due to a doctor appointment | 20:26 |
| grapex | I talked to him a bit | 20:26 |
| grapex | Here is his real problem | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | lets make sure that we mark a status to failed for dns if it fails | 20:27 |
| grapex | When DNS fails, we set it to a task status that means that DNS fails- | 20:27 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap: vipul: grapex: forget about DNS, it also would be a part of heat resources | 20:27 |
| grapex | the problem is though, in this state a Delete operation is not allowed. That's the bug we need to fix- it should be possible to delete such instances. | 20:27 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap: vipul: grapex: dns is not critial resource | 20:27 |
| vipul | heat = magic wand | 20:27 |
| grapex | dmakogon: It's only critical if we want users to be able to use it to log into their databases. | 20:27 |
| SlickNik | lol @ vipul | 20:28 |
| grapex | vipul: Lol | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon: thats not correct. it is critical | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | if you need dns | 20:28 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap: vipul: grapex: mgmt allows to re-create dns record or we could do that by hands | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | and its part of your workflow | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | no | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | no no no | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | if dns fails your instance fails | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | period | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | delete/recreate | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | and fix your crappy dns system ;) | 20:28 |
| grapex | How about we make an action item to allow DELETE to work on instances in the BUILDING_ERROR_DNS state? | 20:28 |
| vipul | So in the current patch, we tell taskamanger to provision the instance, and immediately go create DNS | 20:28 |
| isviridov | grapex: let us fix bug with deleting, instead of introducing new ones | 20:28 |
| SlickNik | dmakogon: I don't think any of trove's customers need to or want to involve themselves with managing DNS :) | 20:29 |
| dmakogon | grepex +1 | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:29 |
| SlickNik | grapex: agreed | 20:29 |
| dmakogon | SlickNik: maybe so, so i'm ok with new DNS status | 20:29 |
| dmakogon | like grapex said | 20:29 |
| dmakogon | could we talk about security groups review ? | 20:29 |
| grapex | #action Fix bug with DELETE to allow instances in BUILDING_ERROR_DNS state to be deleted. | 20:30 |
| vipul | that's works.. I still think we are unnecessarily provisioning things unless we wait for Gueat to come active | 20:30 |
| dmakogon | almost everyone already seen it, so i want tot make a conclusion | 20:30 |
| grapex | vipul: I agree | 20:30 |
| grapex | vipul: it just seems like no one wants to fix it right now if Heat is coming | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | ok moving on? | 20:30 |
| imsplitbit | yes pls | 20:30 |
| grapex | vipul: I think it would be possible in a minimal way, but it sounds like there's not much support... maybe we can talk later. | 20:31 |
| vipul | yep.. revist after HEAT | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | sounds good | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | #topic Provision database in specific tenant | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/dedicated-tenant-db-provisioning | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | isviridov: yer up | 20:31 |
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| isviridov | so, idea is to make Trove real DBaaS out of the box | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | can u explain what this means? | 20:31 |
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| isviridov | Now we are creating db in target tenant quota, but already have own quota management | 20:32 |
| isviridov | why not create all instances in f.e. trove tenant? | 20:32 |
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| vipul | it's possible.. just need a custom remote.py | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | im confused, so youre saying submit resources on behalf of a single user? | 20:33 |
| grapex | isviridov: What is the difference between "trove tenant" and "target tenant quota"? | 20:33 |
| vipul | one super-tenant? | 20:33 |
| vipul | that holds all instances | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | so nova resources are not shown as the users instances? | 20:33 |
| isviridov | so, user doesn't care about his quota and doesn't see instances what belongs to trove actually | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | like a shadow user so to speak | 20:33 |
| vipul | sounds like it | 20:34 |
| amcrn | isviridov: because as a provider, if your deployment currently assigns a tenant per user, you now have no way of restricting resources on a developer/project basis? | 20:34 |
| dmakogon | it means that trove should own personal tenant and which you rule all stuff | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | hi amcrn! | 20:34 |
| amcrn | hi :) | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | thats now how openstack works though | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | what problem are you trying to solve? | 20:34 |
| amcrn | right, so I'm asking what's the problem he's trying to solve | 20:34 |
| amcrn | jinx :P | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | You'd have the extra overhead of doing _all_ of the quota management yourself. | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | if you need managed resources in nova | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | then we should fix nova to allow it | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | ive spoken w/ the nova team about this (a long time ago) | 20:35 |
| isviridov | hub_cap: it is an idea to hide all trove resource management from user a | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | to provision resources that maybe a user cant see when they list nova isntances, or at least cant use it | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | like the problem is a user sees nova resources | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | and can, for instance, change ram | 20:36 |
| vipul | yea if you're running Trove against a public nova endpoint, i see the issue.. | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | yes this is not a trove problem | 20:36 |
| vipul | you have Trove instances littered in your acct along with compute instances | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | its a resource viewing / accessing issue in nova | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | lets talk to nova to see if htey would still allow "shadow"/"managed" users | 20:36 |
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| isviridov | 1 sec | 20:37 |
| vipul | btw isviridov.. if you _really_ want to do this.. just put in a diffrent remote.py :) | 20:37 |
| isviridov | look you have got me vipul | 20:38 |
| isviridov | just create all instances in trove tenant, not users'one | 20:38 |
| isviridov | and handle all quota inside that tenant | 20:38 |
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| isviridov | so, user uses it as pure dbaas | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | isviridov: its pure dbaas w/ multiple tenants too | 20:39 |
| dmakogon | so, all auth stuff could happen under the hood of trove api | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | for the record | 20:39 |
| vipul | upstream trove supports deployment that creates instances in user's tenant... | 20:39 |
| vipul | you could alwyas change that behavior.. which is the reason why we make it pluggbale | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | fwiw, this shoud not be fixed in trove... there is no need to have a single global tenant id think | 20:40 |
| vipul | not in upstream | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | vipul: and not contribue it upstream | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | vipul: ++ | 20:40 |
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| hub_cap | managed instances will be the best approach in nova | 20:40 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap: vipul: is it possible to make it configurable | 20:40 |
| dmakogon | ? | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | i dont think its necessary.. | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | all of openstack behaves one way | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | we should stay standard | 20:41 |
| isviridov | anyhow we don't give access to db instances for user | 20:41 |
| isviridov | why he should see and manage all that resources? | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | again this goes back to "what is the problem you are trying to solve" | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | if the problem is users can see your nova resources | 20:41 |
| vipul | dmakogon: it is today | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | then teh problem is that we need to fix it in nova | 20:42 |
| dmakogon | vipul: what ? | 20:42 |
| vipul | dmakogon: It is already configurable.. how you decide to spin up nova resources | 20:43 |
| rnirmal | and other projects as well.. since the same applies for cinder or designate for example | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:43 |
| rnirmal | also there's a caveat with using single tenant when you want to create tenant networks | 20:43 |
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| rnirmal | say for private tenant network for a cluster | 20:43 |
| dmakogon | vipul: i mean to make it resources per user tenant and resources per trove tenant | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | rnirmal: ++ | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | it will be a problem | 20:44 |
| vipul | dmakogon: Yes that's all driven by whether you pass down the auth-token to NOva or obtain a new one for the shadow tenant | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | we should move on | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | there are more things | 20:44 |
| vipul | yes | 20:44 |
| isviridov | let us | 20:44 |
| dmakogon | vipul: oh, i got it | 20:44 |
| SlickNik | yup | 20:44 |
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| hub_cap | #topic Provisioning several db processes on the same cluster | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/shared-cluster-db-provisioning | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | ok im not a fan of this one either | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | :) | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | weve talked about it in the past | 20:46 |
| isviridov | It is about cloud utilization. The idea to host several database daemons on the same cluster | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | if you have too many spare cycles on your nodes, your nodes are too big | 20:46 |
| isviridov | ) | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | shrink the nodes if you have extra utilization | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | and prov a new cluster | 20:46 |
| imsplitbit | hub_cap: +10000000 | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | upgrades, guest status, and many other things would not be easy | 20:47 |
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| isviridov | Not extra, but idle | 20:47 |
| rnirmal | and create more vms where necessary.. or containers..they are cheap | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | ++++++++++ rnirmal | 20:47 |
| SlickNik | I think this is a bad idea in general. | 20:47 |
| kevinconway | so you want to have one instance run multiple guests and multiple db engines? | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | cloud is cheap | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: thats what he was proposing | 20:47 |
| amcrn | i could see a situation once baremetal is supported, that you'd want multiple processes (say Redis) on a single machine to avoid wasting hardware, but other than that, i'm with hub_cap/rnirmal/etc. | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | what is active? active_cassandra, active_mongo, some status thereov? | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | my mongo is up but my cassandr is down | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | what does that mean | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | or 2 clusters | 20:48 |
| imsplitbit | yeah we've definitely talked alot about this in the past and the general concensus has always been one container does one thing | 20:48 |
| kevinconway | does one user access all the engines? | 20:48 |
| juice | amcrn: even in that case wouldn't it be better to use an lxc driver to partition the instances and resources? | 20:48 |
| isviridov | kevinconway: different | 20:49 |
| amcrn | juice: fair enough | 20:49 |
| grapex | isviridov: I feel like for flexibility, this *should* have been built into Trove. But as you can see no one likes it. :) | 20:49 |
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| juice | amcrn: assuming lxc driver works with nova :P | 20:49 |
| SlickNik | juice / amcrn: yup, even if baremetal were supported, I'd push for having these agents run in separate containers on the bare metal node so some isolation exists. | 20:49 |
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| isviridov | looks it will be in future or substituled witk containers like dokit | 20:49 |
| isviridov | thanks, let's move on | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | #topic Auto-recovery of node in replica/cluster | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/auto-recovery-of-cluster-replica | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | now i like this! | 20:50 |
| isviridov | Finally ^) | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | hahah | 20:50 |
| vipul | what types of metrics woudl we push to ceilometer | 20:51 |
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| dmakogon | yes, as we discussed earlier, autorecovery/failover is one of the goals for IceHOuse | 20:51 |
| vipul | and how does ceilometer notify Trove to do sometihng | 20:51 |
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| dmakogon | vipul: specific database related metrics | 20:51 |
| isviridov | vipul: it depends on the type of cluster and specific for db | 20:51 |
| cp16net | Bender: C'mon, it's just like making love. Y'know, left, down, rotate sixty-two degrees, engage rotors... | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | i agree w cp16net | 20:52 |
| dmakogon | cp16net: nice one))) | 20:52 |
| vipul | lol | 20:52 |
| isviridov | vipul: celiometer has Alerts mechanism which is used in HEAT for autoscaling | 20:52 |
| datsun180b | sounds like someone else needs coffee on their keyboard | 20:52 |
| * hub_cap throws a random number of Ninja Turtles at cp16net | 20:52 | |
| juice | D20 | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | ok srsly though, i think that we can discuss the approach offline. i do like the idea though | 20:52 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap +1 | 20:53 |
| kevinconway | ML is nigh | 20:53 |
| vipul | how about doing this for a single instance? | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | yes ML++ | 20:53 |
| vipul | why does it need to wait for clusters | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | lets table this | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | i reallyw ant to discuss the next one | 20:53 |
| dmakogon | vipul: as first step - maybe, what about down-time and data consistency ? | 20:53 |
| SlickNik | I like the idea as well. But I think a prereq for it would be to have some sort of cluster / replica implemented no? | 20:53 |
| vipul | it's down anyway.. if it needs to be recovered | 20:53 |
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| isviridov | from backup f.e. | 20:54 |
| dmakogon | recovery = spinning new instance | 20:54 |
| imsplitbit | btw I would like to open the trove channel for replication/cluster api discussion after this meeting and tomorrow morning when everyone gets in | 20:54 |
| isviridov | the criteria should be defined for single instance | 20:54 |
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| isviridov | imsplitbit: would love to join | 20:54 |
| SlickNik | vipul: I like the idea but, I'm not sure what would be the recovery in case a single instance is down? | 20:55 |
| vipul | restore from last known backup | 20:55 |
| vipul | which is all you can do | 20:55 |
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| isviridov | yes | 20:55 |
| dmakogon | SlickNik : provisioning new one | 20:55 |
| vipul | i'm just saying there is opportunity to prove this with a single instance.. before getting crazy with clusters | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | heyo | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | #table it | 20:55 |
| dmakogon | to substitute | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | #move on | 20:55 |
| vipul | fine! | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | :P | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | #topic Lunchpad meetings | 20:56 |
| SlickNik | I like it, but table for later. | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | crap i menat to fix that typo | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | *meant | 20:56 |
| isviridov | The last from my side | 20:56 |
| SlickNik | heh | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | #link https://launchpad.net/sprints | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | did the openstack bot die? | 20:56 |
| dmakogon | good idea | 20:56 |
| isviridov | We are in different timezone, let us arrange the topic meetings | 20:56 |
| imsplitbit | oh noes | 20:56 |
| SlickNik | looks like it | 20:56 |
| imsplitbit | no bot?! | 20:57 |
| dmakogon | scheduling is always good way | 20:57 |
| isviridov | hub_cap: how it can help with scheduling? | 20:57 |
| vipul | what is this link for | 20:57 |
| vipul | are we having a gathering? | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | im not sure. im curios to know if we need it | 20:57 |
| isviridov | vipul: for creating public visible meeting | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | so like this meeting? | 20:57 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap: yes, we could plan discussions | 20:58 |
| kevinconway | isviridov: other than this one? | 20:58 |
| SlickNik | What's wrong with #openstack-meeting-alt for that? | 20:58 |
| amcrn | "Launchpad can help you organize your developer sprints, summits and gatherings. Register the meeting here, then you can invite people to nominate blueprints for discussion at the event. The meeting drivers control the agenda, but everyone can see what's proposed and what's been accepted." | 20:58 |
| isviridov | kevinconway: yes, but by the topic | 20:58 |
| dmakogon | monday = cluster API , tue = failover | 20:58 |
| amcrn | I imagine it's a replacement for the wiki you're using | 20:58 |
| kevinconway | oh no… meetings every day? | 20:58 |
| amcrn | (that holds the topics, last weeks notes, etc.) | 20:58 |
| isviridov | amcrn: forget about description, it is just a tool | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | how is this different from just being in #openstack-trove ? | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | and sayding "lets discuss tomorrow at 10am" | 20:58 |
| SlickNik | here's an example of a sprint: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-1311 | 20:59 |
| dmakogon | kevinconway: if you want to be involved everywhere | 20:59 |
| isviridov | hub_cap: we can come together and discuss specific topic | 20:59 |
| vipul | i hate launchpad.. | 20:59 |
| kevinconway | this is a ML topic | 20:59 |
| vipul | so the less we do the better IMHO :P | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | isviridov: how do we not do that _in_ the room? | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | does it allow for async? | 20:59 |
| dmakogon | vipul made good conlusion for this topic: "I have LP" | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | if it requires us to be somewhere, virtually, at the same time | 21:00 |
| vipul | s/have/hate | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | i dont se what it buys us over just being in the channel | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | So like amcrn said, it would only be a replacement for the meeting agenda page on the wiki, if anything… | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | and for async, we have the ML | 21:00 |
| fungi | ahh, yep, openstack (the meetbot) is missing his ops hat. fixing | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | <3 fungi | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | ill endmeeting after | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | thanks fungi! | 21:00 |
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| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 21:00:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-09-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-09-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-09-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | GOTO #openstack-trove | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | lets continue | 21:01 |
| fungi | the bot should be all set for the next meeting at least | 21:01 |
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