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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 15:00:50 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello! | 15:01 |
| shamail | Hello everyone. | 15:01 |
| vbellur | hello all | 15:01 |
| caitlin56 | hello | 15:01 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 15:01 |
| yportnova_ | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaMeetings | 15:01 |
| bswartz | for once I put an agenda together | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
| rushiagr | bswartz: \o/ | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | okay so I'll launch into my action item from last week | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Networking BP | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Networking BP (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| * rushiagr started remembering about it only at the start of the meeting | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/join-tenant-network | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | so this is the culmination of the thinking so far | 15:03 |
| bswartz | once I thought through the details and wrote them down, it actually doesn't seem so bad | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | About this BP: Why do we need in manila api called "setup-network"? | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | In this case Manila will be mediator, one another failpoint. | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: the API name may be poorly chosen | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I strongly suggest that we change it, but I didn't have any better ideas when I was writing | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | question about mechanism, not name | 15:04 |
| bswartz | well manila must be involved in the mechanism, since the backend drivers in manila will be doing most of the work | 15:05 |
| bswartz | this is all about configuring the backends storage to join an existing tenant network | 15:05 |
| bswartz | there will be some code shared between drivers -- most likely in the form of utility functions | 15:06 |
| caitlin56 | Question: in neutron terms, is this an additional tenant network, or just adding manila attributes to a tenant network? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | all of the interactions w/ neutron are likely to be common, except that different backends will require fewer or more IP addresses | 15:06 |
| vbellur | what would be the workflow here? create network -> create share & then attach share? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: in neutron terms, we're connecting new resources into an existing network | 15:07 |
| bswartz | those resources will be virtual with possibly a physical component as well (depending on the backend) | 15:08 |
| shamail | Can you elaborate on "virtual NICs" concept inside Manila? Is this referring to IP interfaces on the storage provider or is this layer residing in some external translation layer (L2/L3 mapping via neutron)? | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | shamail: this is referring to the IP interfaces on the storage | 15:08 |
| shamail | bswartz: thanks. | 15:09 |
| bswartz | shamail: In NetApp terms, it would be called a LIF (or a VIF on legacy systems) | 15:09 |
| shamail | Yep. :) | 15:09 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: and neutron probably thinks that the storage server has a virtual switch, right? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | In Linux terms, it would be a tap interface | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: the storage server just needs a VLAN trunk -- or its equivalent in SDN terms | 15:10 |
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| shamail | The inclusion of 'trunking' threw me off, but that makes sense... Each LIF/TAP/etc would include a VLAN ID and the switch port is defined as a trunk passing all VLAN IDs. | 15:11 |
| caitlin56 | yes, and the other end of a vlan trunk is technically a switch. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | correct -- but most storage servers don't use the term "switch" for their internal networking | 15:11 |
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| caitlin56 | and to be real technical it is an IEEE 802.1 "Bridge", which everyone calls a switch. | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: showoff! | 15:12 |
| shamail | Does this model still leave the door open on all three plumbing options (e.g. native OVS support, VLAN support, and Gateway support)? Initially it seems like it does, but does anyone have a different view? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | shamail: I'm inclined to deprioritize the methods that aren't native | 15:13 |
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| caitlin56 | I agree. for network plumbing stick with the stuff that Neutron supports. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | i.e. anything that doesn't result in full 2-way network connectivity between the storage and the tenant network is likely to be limitted and less interesting | 15:14 |
| caitlin56 | The real question is are we also going to define a non-Neutron solution. | 15:14 |
| shamail | bswartz: agreed | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I'd like to leave the door open for gateway-based approaches in the future, but I think that it's better to get the main use case nailed rather than distract ourselves with lots of use cases | 15:14 |
| caitlin56 | +1 | 15:15 |
| rushiagr | bswartz: +1 | 15:15 |
| gregsfortytwo | I'm really new in here (just started reading docs two days ago), but I have to interject that any non-NFS/CIFS solution is probably going to have issues if every VM using it needs to have good native access :) | 15:15 |
| KenD | are we planning on using the VLAN ID as a discriminator 'inside' the storage system? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | gregsfortytwo: welcome! | 15:15 |
| bswartz | gregsfortytwo: I'm not sure I understand your concern though | 15:15 |
| KenD | "tenant-discriminator" | 15:16 |
| caitlin56 | gregsfortytwo: that is the advantage of the VLAN/VXLAN approach. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | KenD: yeah the idea is that if tenant A is on VLAN 17 and tenant B is on VLAN 49, then the storage system needs to present network interfaces on each of those VLANs so that the tenants cannot access eachother's data | 15:17 |
| caitlin56 | VLANs are much easier to audit than NFS export controls. | 15:17 |
| gregsfortytwo | well, I'm thinking about Ceph in particular since that's what I work on, but this would apply to Gluster or whatever as well — if the VM needs to have good support for the shared FS that will limit the OS you can use, or add a lot of necessary extra tooling to do stuff like install FUSE libraries | 15:17 |
| bswartz | the concern goes deeper than auditting though | 15:17 |
| caitlin56 | And don't forget that we are proposing that each tenant be allowed to create multiple security domains. | 15:18 |
| gregsfortytwo | in terms of networking in particular, if every VM needs to have direct IP address to all the storage nodes that's going to be a lot more work for Neutron | 15:18 |
| bswartz | if a tenant has Active Directory setup for their CIFS, or if they have LDAP/Kerberos setup for their NFS, then the storage server needs to coordinate with the various domain controllers for security | 15:18 |
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| caitlin56 | gregsfortytwo: if you are a multitenant environment, why wouldn't you already have tenant tagging? | 15:18 |
| gregsfortytwo | but I don't want to drop in and derail my first meeting, just wanted to note it :) | 15:19 |
| caitlin56 | Just for reference, this is easy on the client side -- the real work is on the server side. | 15:19 |
| bswartz | gregsfortytwo: I'm thinking that "More work" for neutron is just adding a few extra IPs -- once the backend is joined to the right VLAN its not any more work on an ongoing basis | 15:19 |
| gregsfortytwo | k | 15:19 |
| gregsfortytwo | like I said, just getting into all this | 15:20 |
| bswartz | anyways, I appreciate feedback on the BP | 15:20 |
| KenD | I am not sure that it would be any more work for neutron, there will already be tenant IDs set up | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I expect we will continue discussing this design through the conference | 15:20 |
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| caitlin56 | The only way this is more work for Neutron is if the tenants want multiple security domains specificaly for NAS. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | gregsfortytwo: I'd like to know what specific requirements ceph might have because we intend to accomodate alternative protocols, and I just don't know enough of the details right now | 15:21 |
| vbellur | would this mean that we modify the create_share API to pass the network identity? | 15:21 |
| caitlin56 | Which could happen, but neutron is there to serve tenants (just like Manila) | 15:21 |
| gregsfortytwo | bswartz: would it be better to discuss over in #openstack-manila later today instead of right now? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vbellur: yes I mentioned that in the BP I think | 15:22 |
| bswartz | gregsfortytwo: yes I'll grab you offline | 15:22 |
| gregsfortytwo | cool | 15:22 |
| vbellur | bswartz: ah ok | 15:23 |
| bswartz | okay in the interest of time, next topic | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #topic Other BPs | 15:23 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Other BPs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:23 | |
| bswartz | so I've seen a bunch of new BPs getting filed, and this is great! | 15:23 |
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| shamail | I had a question regarding Multi-backed support. Did Manila keep the filter scheduler functionality that was introduced in Cinder? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I'm glad to see the interest in the project and I hope we can get several backends included by the end of Icehouse | 15:24 |
| shamail | Doh, sorry. :) | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | shamail: yes we kept the scheduler | 15:24 |
| caitlin56 | It isn't the greatest method of aqdding servers, but we should follow what Cinder has. | 15:25 |
| shamail | bswartz: Thanks, sorry for the deviation. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | does anyone want to discuss a particular BP right now? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | or is everything just a placeholder with details to come later? | 15:25 |
| * rushiagr makes a mental note to test manila filter scheduler in the coming week | 15:25 | |
| vbellur | bswartz: most BPs seem to be placeholders atm | 15:26 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: I actually think that cinder's method of supporting multiple backends is superior to what neutron offers | 15:26 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: do you have a better idea? | 15:26 |
| shamail | We are still working internally on our design plan... But here is a place-holder BP for the driver. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | note: I'm aware of some funkiness with how the scheduler actually works in practice, but those are implementation issues | 15:27 |
| shamail | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/emc-driver | 15:27 |
| bswartz | the design of the scheduler is pretty solid IMO | 15:27 |
| shamail | bswartz: +1 | 15:27 |
| bswartz | shamail: I updated your BP, targetted to icehouse | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #topic Summit | 15:28 |
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| shamail | bswartz: thanks. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay so the Hong Kong summit is just 2.5 weeks away (!!!) | 15:29 |
| shamail | drinks on bswartz! | 15:29 |
| shamail | :) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:29 |
| KenD | Do we have a finalized schedule for manila meetings? or an agenda? | 15:29 |
| vbellur | shamail: +1 | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I want to have some meetings in Hong Kong for those who are able to travel | 15:29 |
| KenD | shamail +1 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | my default plan is 1 or 2 unconference sessions | 15:30 |
| bswartz | rigth now we're working on actually renting a room so we have guaranteed space | 15:30 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: is it fair to say that the agenda for Hong Kong is focused on solidifying manila as a project, rather than on working on manila itself? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | the main downside to unconference sessions is that they're limitted and we have to schedule them last minute | 15:31 |
| bswartz | if we can get a room, I'll schedule something next week and announce it here in this meeting | 15:31 |
| bswartz | otherwise we have to wait and see what we can get | 15:31 |
| vbellur | ok | 15:32 |
| KenD | should we formalize the session? or are we expecting low attendance in HK? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | my goal will be to minimize overlap with cinder sessions, and to minimize overlap with neutron/nova sessions that might be of interest to this group | 15:32 |
| * caitlin56 will be there | 15:32 | |
| vbellur | maybe have a date so that we can plan our schedules around that? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | KenD: we can't formalize it because we're not officially a project yet >_< | 15:32 |
| shamail | bswartz: Appreciate that. | 15:32 |
| caitlin56 | +1 to waiting until after Cinder schedule is set to do Manila schedule. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | regarding that, there were TC elections this week, so our request for incubation was not considered | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I expect our request to be considered on tuesday, and I see no reason that it won't be granted | 15:33 |
| bswartz | so hopefully we will be incubated the time of the conf | 15:33 |
| shamail | bswartz: new here, does that mean that we won't get a chance for incubation or did the decision just get deferred a week or two? | 15:34 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: when would it be considered? I'm trying to decide when to press the execs here to let me submit a blueprint for a Nexenta Manila driver. | 15:34 |
| bswartz | regarding the agenda for our meetings, mostly I just want everyone to meet face to face since we'll likely be working together over the next 6 months | 15:34 |
| shamail | bswartz: nevermind, you answered the question already. | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I will prepare some background material we can present and discuss for anyone who hasn't been following us for the last month or 2 | 15:35 |
| bswartz | but I don't expect to do any serious arguing and decision making in HK, since we're still quite new | 15:35 |
| glenng | bswartz: That will help. | 15:35 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: I think that's the right set of objectives for now. | 15:36 |
| vbellur | bswartz: sounds like a plan. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | so next week I'll announce a meeting time/place if we're able to get a room | 15:36 |
| shamail | bswartz: thanks. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | otherwise we'll just use the whiteboards outside the unconference rooms | 15:37 |
| bswartz | and I'll try to send out an email after I grab a slot | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I have many of your email addresses already | 15:37 |
| bswartz | i'll ping people who's addr I don't have | 15:37 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | okay so are there any other topics? | 15:38 |
| vbellur | any plans to improve our api documentation? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | want to continue the discussion about the networking stuff? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | vbellur: we plan to improve the docs, yes! | 15:39 |
| bswartz | vbellur: unfortunately I don't have a timeline | 15:39 |
| caitlin56 | On doc, I'd suggest that we focus on *vendors* as much as users. Knowing how to plug in your NAS server is just as important as knowing how to use it. | 15:39 |
| caitlin56 | And probably more complex that how a user accesses it. | 15:39 |
| bswartz | if anyone wants to help out there I'd appreciate it | 15:39 |
| bswartz | yes writing docs that make it easy for vendors to write backends is important | 15:39 |
| rushiagr | lets have it as a blueprint if it is not already there? | 15:40 |
| vbellur | bswartz: yeah, maybe we should set a timeline for getting the apis along the lines of http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-block-storage/2.0/content/ | 15:40 |
| shamail | bswartz: I plan to review the code and make an architectural diagram. I'd love your feedback and hopefully we could post it eventually. | 15:40 |
| * caitlin56 volunteers to help on vendor doc. | 15:40 | |
| vbellur | rushiagr: sounds like a good idea | 15:40 |
| bswartz | vbellur: oh those are more boilerplate | 15:40 |
| rushiagr | shamail: awesome. I'll like to take a look too! | 15:40 |
| bswartz | vbellur: we do need those, but not having those doesn't block anybody from making progress during Icehouse I don't beleive | 15:41 |
| rushiagr | ^ about arch diagram | 15:41 |
| shamail | Yeah, I'll try to share it with everyone via the Manila room. | 15:41 |
| vbellur | yeah, i agree but we can have a WIP guide | 15:41 |
| bswartz | shamail: excellent | 15:41 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: want to post a BP covering what you plan to write? | 15:42 |
| rushiagr | I'd definitely help with the docs, but I generally pitch in when I see incompleteness in content, and not when the content is not there at all :P | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I think a wiki page would be a good format for a "howto write a manila backend" | 15:43 |
| vbellur | bswartz: agree | 15:43 |
| shamail | Do we want to focus on writing any new schedulers or improving the current implementation in the ice house time-frame? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | shamail: we've inheritted a lot of stuff from cinder already, and I plan to keep stealing their good ideas | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I don't want to spend much effort on working on those overlapping areas though when we still have some basic features unimplemented | 15:44 |
| bswartz | we need to get the multi-tenant networking working, that's top priority | 15:45 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: need exec approval first. Right now I'm still "investigating" manila. | 15:45 |
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| caitlin56 | But doc, that I can do on my own. | 15:45 |
| bswartz | second priority is getting backends written and validated so we know that our design is not boneheaded | 15:45 |
| bswartz | in 6 months I hope we will be able to go to the next summit and discuss new feature ideas | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | I think we have plenty to do for the next 6 months | 15:46 |
| bswartz | that said, if someone wants to bite off a project, feel free to submit a BP and work on it and we'll try to get it included during Icehouse | 15:46 |
| bswartz | okay last call for topics | 15:47 |
| bswartz | we have a bit of time left | 15:47 |
| bswartz | alright thanks everyone | 15:48 |
| vbellur | thanks all | 15:48 |
| shamail | Is there a link to a template backed driver? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | shamail: there is a generic driver in tree right now | 15:48 |
| shamail | See y'all later! | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | however it's single tenant | 15:48 |
| shamail | We'll go ahead and take a look at it. Thanks again. | 15:49 |
| bswartz | once we have multi-tenant networking there will be 2 generic drivers, and the multitenant generic driver will be a better template | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay thanks all for this week | 15:49 |
| bswartz | anything else please ping me in #manila | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 15:49:39 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-17-15.00.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-17-15.00.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-17-15.00.log.html | 15:49 |
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| rushiagr | thanks | 15:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna team meeting will be here in 10 mins | 17:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks, are you around? | 18:03 |
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| aignatov | + | 18:03 |
| tmckay | here | 18:03 |
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| alazarev | o/ | 18:04 |
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| ErikB | Hi Sergey | 18:04 |
| nadya | \o/ | 18:05 |
| ruhe | hi | 18:05 |
| crobertsrh | here | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's start | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 18:07:07 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:07 |
| ErikB | #help | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info Agenda - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:07 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | the only action item from the last meeting is "all to find and fix gaps in the docs for 0.3 release" | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and looks like it's done | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw I hope that it's done | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Savanna 0.3 release | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Savanna 0.3 release (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:08 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're ready to push the 0.3 tag today | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | all critical patches was landed | 18:09 |
| ErikB | excellent | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51208/ postponed to the next milestone due to the bug with transient clusters support on backend side | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1241126 | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that fix will be landed in the upcoming minor release | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 0.3.1 | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections for pushing 0.3 tag today? | 18:10 |
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| aignatov | I've just checked that all others features work - antyaffininty and cinder volumes, no objections from me | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, great | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | I've been running jobs for a couple days, thing seem to be stable. | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, so, I'll start pushing tags in an hour | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's move on | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:12 |
| aignatov | yeah, it seems all edp works as expected except trusts | 18:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:12 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, feel free to post updates here | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the main update from me - 0.3 release :) | 18:12 |
| ErikB | On the HWX side, we've been busy creating a patch for Quantum/Neutron w.out public ips necessary | 18:12 |
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| aignatov | this week I mostly concentrated on preparing docs, also composed a demo about edp | 18:13 |
| ErikB | In addition, we're in the merge process of adding support for various HDP services (Oozie, Hive, etc.) This will eventually be backported to 0.3 | 18:13 |
| ruhe | ErikB, do you have any ETA in mind for Quantum/Neutron without public ips? | 18:13 |
| aignatov | let me post a link to the my edp demo | 18:13 |
| aignatov | #link https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_AT3b7ftRKeNm9hSlhaTm1CYkE/edit?usp=sharing | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, any more updates? | 18:15 |
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| ErikB | ruhe, we *should* be starting merge to master this week if all goes well, pending review, perhaps all wrapped up next week. | 18:15 |
| ruhe | SergeyLukjanov, when do you plan to release 0.3.1? | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, I'm thinking about doing it in 2-3 weeks | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to have a release for the OS summit in HK | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be good to have at least transient clusters fully op. in it and EDP support in HDP plugin | 18:18 |
| ruhe | ok | 18:18 |
| aignatov | Hive support as well I think | 18:19 |
| aignatov | in edp | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, good point, it'll be good to add it too | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | some UI and docs polish maybe too | 18:19 |
| nadya_ | ErikB, did you have any challeges in Hive deployment? | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll create a milestone for it in launchpad today, please, create issues and blueprints to add them into the lp ml | 18:20 |
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| aignatov | did all savanna guys vote for design sessions topics? | 18:21 |
| tmckay | I didn't. | 18:21 |
| ruhe | we have a plenty of time. voting closes on oct22 | 18:21 |
| tmckay | Is there a link? | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw I'll start merging topics at Nov 22 right after the end of voting | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Oct* | 18:22 |
| alazarev | I didn't too, will do after meeting | 18:22 |
| aignatov | tmckay, you should check your emai inboxl | 18:22 |
| ruhe | tmckay, you should receive vote ticket in your registered email | 18:22 |
| tmckay | okay :) | 18:22 |
| aignatov | the subject is : "Poll: Savanna Topics for OpenStack Havana Design Summit" | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | all savanna contributors should receive free ATC pass to Hong Kong summit | 18:23 |
| jmaron | nadya: John did most of the Hive integration, but one of the main concerns/issues he related was managing the service/component dependencies in a "user friendly" fashion (i.e. how does a user recognize that certain services are required for Hive deployment if they are selecting individual components?). | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Roadmap | 18:24 |
| ruhe | jmaron, that's a good subject for summit discussions. Heat might help this dependencies management | 18:24 |
| ruhe | s/this/with | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nothing to update in roadmap from mi side | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | ruhe, if I understand jmaron correctly, it is not about implementation, it is about UI | 18:25 |
| dmitryme | i.e. how we will present to the user, 'please turn on this service, if you want that one to work' | 18:25 |
| nadya | jmaron, thanks. I will ask John if it would be needed | 18:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic General discussion | 18:26 |
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| dmitryme | as far as I recall jspiedel already wrote a letter about it in openstack-dev | 18:26 |
| dmitryme | we just didn't had time to think about it | 18:26 |
| jmaron | ruhe: true. I think there is already an architecture discussion proposed, so it could be discussed there | 18:27 |
| jmaron | dmitryme: true, he did | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to discuss today? | 18:29 |
| jmaron | service dependencies can probably be discussed in proposed Heat session or New Architecture session | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll merge sessions to fit 4 time slots | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I hope that the most parts of proposals will be landed to the summit sessions | 18:30 |
| nadya | who is going to HK? :) | 18:31 |
| ruhe | btw, i've read blogposts on Hortonworks site. reference Hadoop2 architecture with namenode HA requires ZooKeeper | 18:31 |
| ruhe | that's a very tricky dependency :) | 18:31 |
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| jmaron | ruhe: haven't looked much at the 2.0 integration, but it's coming…. ;) | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, yeah, especially isn virtual environment | 18:32 |
| * aignatov has moved 0.3 docs bp to implemented | 18:34 | |
| ruhe | i know it might be too early to discuss, but i'd like to hear, what you guys would like to implement during IceHouse? | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, thx | 18:34 |
| ruhe | that's a question to everyone | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, what's about fedora? | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, lowercase 'h' in Icehouse | 18:35 |
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| tmckay | personally, I'd like to keep expanding edp -- different data/job sources (external swift, hdfs, gluster, others?) | 18:36 |
| aignatov | Hadoop 2.0 support and +1 to tmckay | 18:36 |
| crobertsrh | I think that some sort of monitoring support is in order in the UI. | 18:36 |
| akuznetsov | +1 to tmckay | 18:36 |
| tmckay | we also talked at one point about hooking savanna into build servers somehow... | 18:37 |
| nadya | +1 to Trevor + Sqoop | 18:37 |
| tmckay | and, I would *love* to see better error reporting in horizon. "Status: Error" is not helpful. | 18:37 |
| tmckay | oh, and "relaunch" of a job execution | 18:38 |
| aignatov | in edp I'd like to expand job configurations and to support not only Hive, Pig and Jar | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I hope that we'll be able to migrate to some common rest api framework with better exceptions handling | 18:38 |
| tmckay | I think it would be useful. | 18:38 |
| crobertsrh | tmckay: I just submitted a bug for relaunch of job-execution :) | 18:38 |
| tmckay | +1 | 18:38 |
| dmitryme | +1 to tmckay: be more nice with a user | 18:38 |
| tmckay | we also talked about allowing user uploaded Oozie workflows. | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for me, the main goal for the next milestone is to integrate with other OS projects and graduate from the incubation | 18:39 |
| jmaron | enhanced UI experience (service/component dependencies, template editing) would be nice | 18:39 |
| dmitryme | also I'd like to see Savanna more scalable and resilient | 18:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | +1 to tmacky and jmaron, there are a lot of areas to improve UI | 18:39 |
| jmaron | dmitryme: +1, especially around large clusters | 18:39 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, +1, there was a lot of talk at the incubation meetings of Savanna integrating with Heat, etc. Maybe if those projects don't have what Savanna needs, we can jump on and help them get there :) | 18:40 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukyanov, yes, that's the highest priority for all of Savanna contributos | 18:40 |
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| tmckay | hmm, Savanna would be easier to package for Fedora than some of the hadoop stuff because its Python, not Java. I wonder how many unpackaged dependencies it has... | 18:43 |
| ruhe | afaik, all dependencies have packages | 18:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, yeah | 18:44 |
| ruhe | we're including Savanna in Fuel, didn't have any issues with dependency packages | 18:44 |
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| aignatov | is it time to fininsh? | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 18:51:49 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-17-18.07.html | 18:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-17-18.07.txt | 18:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-17-18.07.log.html | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thanks everyone | 18:54 |
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| markwash | 1 minute to glance o'clock! | 19:59 |
| iccha_ | yo! | 20:00 |
| iccha_ | its time! | 20:00 |
| markwash | hurray! | 20:00 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 20:01:04 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:01 |
| markwash | who do we have here today? give a o/ | 20:01 |
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| ameade_ | hey | 20:01 |
| nikhil | o/ | 20:01 |
| ameade_ | sorry folks are talking irl | 20:01 |
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| markwash | ameade_: buncha irl jerks | 20:01 |
| vkolosov | Hi | 20:02 |
| iccha_ | o/ | 20:02 |
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| Guest95732 | o/ | 20:02 |
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| rosmaita | \o | 20:02 |
| markwash | welcome all! | 20:02 |
| hemanth | o/ | 20:02 |
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| esheffield | o/ | 20:03 |
| markwash | We've got a full agenda for today, thanks to all the helpful suggestions from folks | 20:03 |
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| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:03 |
| zhiyan | hi | 20:03 |
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| buzztroll | wave | 20:03 |
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| markwash | it doesn't say so, but we'll try to have an Open Discussion time at the end for at least 5 minutes | 20:03 |
| markwash | in case folks didn't have a chance to suggest stuff on the etherpad agenda | 20:04 |
| markwash | #topic project status meeting update | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "project status meeting update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:04 | |
| markwash | Just taking the opportunity to pass info down from the weekly openstack project meeting | 20:04 |
| markwash | this week was fairly uneventful for glance, but as you all know, rc2's and rc3's are out for all the projects | 20:05 |
| markwash | since glance seems pretty stable post rc2, we're full steam ahead on new code | 20:05 |
| iccha_ | woohoo! | 20:05 |
| markwash | (because we have no reason to believe we need to worry about backporting bug fixes needing to be especially easy) | 20:05 |
| markwash | there is also some install documentation in a wiki that glance folks might want to check out and see if they can contribute to | 20:06 |
| markwash | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HavanaDocTesting | 20:06 |
| markwash | thanks again to everyone for their efforts with rc2 | 20:06 |
| markwash | it really went well from my perspective | 20:06 |
| markwash | (we got everything merged before the crud hit the fan with jenkins gating) | 20:06 |
| markwash | any questions about the project meeting? | 20:07 |
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| markwash | cool | 20:07 |
| markwash | #topic Release Notes | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Notes (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:08 | |
| markwash | Glance release notes for havana have been published | 20:08 |
| markwash | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#OpenStack_Image_Service_.28Glance.29 | 20:08 |
| markwash | I think we could still fill out some more info there for "known issues" i.e. bugs that we're carrying over that are significant | 20:08 |
| markwash | and also possibly upgrade notes | 20:08 |
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| markwash | anyone interested in helping out with that effort? | 20:09 |
| iccha_ | would upgrade notes be like new config values and stuff? | 20:09 |
| iccha_ | and migrations? | 20:09 |
| markwash | that could make sense | 20:09 |
| iccha_ | what goes in upgrade notes? | 20:09 |
| markwash | good question :-) | 20:09 |
| markwash | that same page has the release notes for other projects, we can take their lead a bit | 20:10 |
| markwash | yeah, it looks like new config is definitely appropriate | 20:10 |
| iccha_ | ah gotcha, I can try taking a stab at it | 20:10 |
| markwash | iccha_: can i #action you for that? | 20:10 |
| iccha_ | yes sir markwash | 20:11 |
| markwash | #action iccha_ to consider and add upgrade information to glance havana release notes | 20:11 |
| markwash | anybody else? | 20:11 |
| markwash | erm, or questions? | 20:11 |
| markwash | cool | 20:12 |
| buzztroll | sorry, i want to be more active on that but i dont see having time for it in the short term :-( | 20:12 |
| markwash | no worries | 20:12 |
| markwash | we do as we can | 20:12 |
| markwash | #topic design summit | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:12 | |
| markwash | there have been a fair number of submissions for talks at the design summit | 20:12 |
| markwash | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/15 | 20:12 |
| buzztroll | forbidden | 20:13 |
| zhiyan | markwash: Forbidden | 20:13 |
| markwash | doh | 20:13 |
| markwash | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:13 |
| markwash | that's a bit more general, but I think you can sort by topic | 20:13 |
| zhiyan | click 'Topic' column to orderby | 20:13 |
| buzztroll | i added one yesterday | 20:13 |
| zhiyan | buzztroll: saw, need proxy? | 20:14 |
| buzztroll | zhiyan: i do | 20:14 |
| buzztroll | zhiyan: it is a pretty clear effort i think | 20:14 |
| markwash | i think the person who suggested this item is wondering if we should announce a cutoff date for the submissions? | 20:14 |
| buzztroll | zhiyan: i actually made a prototype for it at one point | 20:14 |
| buzztroll | markwash: which one? | 20:14 |
| zhiyan | markwash: yes, to review them i mean | 20:14 |
| markwash | buzztroll: sorry, not the design summit topic, but the agenda item | 20:15 |
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| buzztroll | ah | 20:15 |
| markwash | topic looks good to me | 20:15 |
| buzztroll | ok | 20:15 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: I think the time is running down on that. . its a task for me. . IIUC I could review and approve/reject everything by next meeting, and then folks could get a chance for some more general feedback | 20:15 |
| markwash | zhiyan: does having everything reviewed and set up by next meeting for feedback sound good to you? | 20:16 |
| zhiyan | markwash: sure, just remember that | 20:16 |
| zhiyan | :) | 20:16 |
| markwash | lol yes | 20:16 |
| markwash | #action markwash announce a cutoff for design summit submissions on the ML | 20:16 |
| markwash | #action markwash review design summit submissions for next meeting | 20:17 |
| markwash | any other thoughts folks want to share about the summit at this time? | 20:17 |
| markwash | cool | 20:17 |
| markwash | #topic releasing glanceclient | 20:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releasing glanceclient (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:17 | |
| * markwash searches for a good link | 20:18 | |
| iccha_ | we seem to have major functionaility for glanceclient to talk to glance v2 api in | 20:18 |
| markwash | couple of significant bug fixes have gone in here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/python-glanceclient,n,z | 20:18 |
| markwash | erm | 20:18 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/python-glanceclient,n,z | 20:18 |
| markwash | I'd like to do a minor release very soon to grab those fixes | 20:19 |
| markwash | in particular I'm worried that the ones russ did are probably really important otherwise why would he bother? | 20:19 |
| iccha_ | what version is gc currently on? | 20:19 |
| markwash | 0.11.0 | 20:20 |
| markwash | as for a major release | 20:20 |
| markwash | there is something I've been stewing on for a while in private | 20:20 |
| markwash | I really don't care for the fact that we use our own SSL stuff | 20:20 |
| markwash | and I think we should switch to using requests | 20:20 |
| iccha_ | could you elaborate markwash ? | 20:21 |
| buzztroll | on first read that makes a lot of sense to me | 20:21 |
| markwash | bcwaldon was churning on both those items, but couldn't come up with a really satisfactory answer, because our custom SSL stuff is there to optionally disable ssl compression | 20:21 |
| buzztroll | i havent thought about it before | 20:21 |
| markwash | the idea is that disabling compression makes uploads of already compressed images much faster | 20:21 |
| markwash | which makes sense, but python just doesn't support it very well yet in terms of common libraries | 20:22 |
| markwash | anyway, I think we should revisit the major release in a week or two | 20:22 |
| markwash | any objections to a minor release in the next few days? | 20:22 |
| buzztroll | in my opinion the transfering of images in terms of efficiency in glance is quite imperfect right now anyway | 20:23 |
| markwash | buzztroll: yeah true | 20:23 |
| buzztroll | so leaning towards more supportable code and away from efficiency seems ok to me | 20:23 |
| esheffield | +! | 20:23 |
| markwash | I need to pressure bcwaldon to submit the review if he ahsn't already | 20:23 |
| esheffield | er, +1 :-) | 20:23 |
| buzztroll | because it is already a neglected category, why have tiny bandaides? | 20:23 |
| markwash | yeah | 20:23 |
| buzztroll | just my 2 cents there | 20:24 |
| markwash | k | 20:24 |
| buzztroll | no objection at all to a minor release | 20:24 |
| nikhil | buzztroll: :) | 20:24 |
| buzztroll | to answer your question | 20:24 |
| buzztroll | sounds good | 20:24 |
| markwash | #action markwash try-release a minor version of glance client in the next few days | 20:24 |
| markwash | #action bcwaldon submit requests review | 20:24 |
| iccha_ | sounds good | 20:24 |
| markwash | okay, moving on | 20:24 |
| markwash | #topic bugs | 20:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:25 | |
| markwash | some nice folks suggested bugs for us to consider in the meeting | 20:25 |
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| markwash | first one | 20:25 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1176978 | 20:25 |
| markwash | the issue is about how our deleted indexes make it so you cannot reuse an image id | 20:26 |
| markwash | for most users this has no significance, because they cannot specify the image id on create anyway (by policy) | 20:26 |
| buzztroll | ugh | 20:26 |
| markwash | I think folks sensibly think its pretty silly to reuse a uuid | 20:26 |
| ameade_ | yeah | 20:26 |
| buzztroll | i think i am on record as not liking the idea of reusing IDs | 20:26 |
| buzztroll | yeah | 20:27 |
| markwash | however, I think there are some rare operational situations where it makes sense | 20:27 |
| ameade_ | seems like glance-replicator needs it or something? | 20:27 |
| markwash | and i guess we'd just be saving folks the trouble of doing the mysql themselves | 20:27 |
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| buzztroll | i fear it would move the problem around | 20:27 |
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| markwash | also I think fixing the underlying db issue would help with some performance areas as well | 20:27 |
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| markwash | I'm not sure we will have a fast answer in this meeting | 20:28 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do you think it is make sense if we support recover a pending-delete status image back to active ? | 20:28 |
| buzztroll | markwash: probably not | 20:28 |
| buzztroll | markwash: i am trying not to run off on tangents and derails the meeting with this topic | 20:28 |
| * buzztroll behaves | 20:28 | |
| markwash | zhiyan: that makes sense, but I'm not sure its necessarily a substitute for what folks are trying to do | 20:28 |
| markwash | anyway, i'd love to see folks post their thoughts on the bug if they haven't already | 20:29 |
| buzztroll | markwash: cool will do | 20:29 |
| markwash | I suspect fixing the db would just pick a winner in this debate anyway | 20:29 |
| markwash | anyway | 20:29 |
| markwash | next one! | 20:29 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1197344 | 20:29 |
| nikhil | zhiyan: that would mean adding a re-use option in the CRUD methodology | 20:29 |
| ameade_ | just marked it as invalid :P | 20:30 |
| iccha_ | would multiple locations help? | 20:30 |
| markwash | basic issue: v2 doesn't show deleted images | 20:30 |
| * markwash backs up. . | 20:30 | |
| buzztroll | and it should? | 20:30 |
| ameade_ | markwash: yeah neither does v1....that used to be a rax thing | 20:30 |
| markwash | sorry didn't mean to jump ahead | 20:30 |
| * markwash revs forward again! | 20:31 | |
| iccha_ | lol | 20:31 |
| markwash | I don't really think it should | 20:31 |
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| markwash | looks like this issue is covered for now | 20:32 |
| ameade_ | v1 doesn't show deleted images | 20:32 |
| iccha_ | so we can move on since its marked invalid | 20:32 |
| ameade_ | so invalid :P | 20:32 |
| markwash | +1 | 20:32 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/967832 | 20:32 |
| iccha_ | glance verifying tenants with keystone has been a topic repeatedly brought up | 20:32 |
| markwash | basic issue: if I delete a keystone project, all the images for that project still exist | 20:33 |
| markwash | iccha_: I think this bug is related but a little bit different | 20:33 |
| iccha_ | yeah i was speaking off a similar conversation | 20:33 |
| ameade_ | i think if we do need this addressed it should probably be handled outside of glance? | 20:33 |
| ameade_ | that's my gut feeling | 20:33 |
| iccha_ | and our stance has always been that we want separation of concern | 20:33 |
| markwash | yeah, I think that is a fair point | 20:34 |
| nikhil | we need superglance | 20:34 |
| markwash | in any case its certainly not something we can just solve by ourselves | 20:34 |
| markwash | we need either a separate project taht does this cleanup | 20:34 |
| markwash | or we need some standard way of consuming openstack notifications to delete things | 20:34 |
| markwash | either approach would work | 20:34 |
| nikhil | that makes sense | 20:34 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i'm thinking again glance-worker ... | 20:35 |
| markwash | so I think we really want some TC guidance on this. . I'd really like the TC to adopt/suggest a path forward on this across the board | 20:35 |
| nikhil | how can we ensure glance as a stand alone service if it's married to openstack then or that is not one of the goals? | 20:35 |
| markwash | nikhil: I think we're married to keystone at least | 20:35 |
| markwash | probably nova too | 20:35 |
| markwash | (must be Utah) | 20:35 |
| nikhil | gotcha | 20:35 |
| nikhil | lol | 20:35 |
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| markwash | so maybe we can bring this up during an early TC meeting | 20:36 |
| nikhil | no advetisements of TV shows here :P | 20:36 |
| iccha_ | there is no way for glance to proactively know when things are deleted from keystone. | 20:36 |
| iccha_ | +1 markwash | 20:36 |
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| markwash | okay, sounds good. . how do we make sure we don't forget? | 20:37 |
| markwash | I don't know when the first TC meeting is | 20:37 |
| iccha_ | have a separate etherpad for tc -glance communication notes? markwash or keep this etherpad | 20:38 |
| markwash | I'll just carry it over on the agenda etherpad | 20:38 |
| iccha_ | ya one etherpad is better than two | 20:38 |
| markwash | cool | 20:38 |
| markwash | moving on! | 20:38 |
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| markwash | #topic reviews | 20:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:39 | |
| markwash | I saw one review I just wanted to bring up here briefly | 20:39 |
| markwash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46715/ | 20:39 |
| markwash | someone is helpfully contributing unit test coverage | 20:39 |
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| markwash | several folks have been, actually, adding in use of mock | 20:39 |
| markwash | which IMO is much nicer than mox | 20:39 |
| ameade_ | i would prefer the context manager over decorator | 20:39 |
| ameade_ | for mock.patch | 20:39 |
| ameade_ | but i don't have a strong opinion | 20:40 |
| nikhil | +1 ameade_ | 20:40 |
| iccha_ | i think there was universal propagation for mock vs mox | 20:40 |
| buzztroll | i thought we decided a bit ago that everything would be mock instead of mox from now on? | 20:40 |
| markwash | ameade_: thanks, I'm just not that familiar with it so your opinion is very helpful for context! | 20:40 |
| nikhil | though nesting is trick with context manager | 20:40 |
| markwash | buzztroll: yes. I think we're all good with mock | 20:40 |
| markwash | my question is just mock.patch | 20:40 |
| markwash | mostly the thing I don't like is that the order of the decorators is the reverse of the order of the extra arguments passed to the test function | 20:41 |
| ameade_ | nikhil: true story....i think we should just be consistent with one way | 20:41 |
| markwash | due to how decorators work | 20:41 |
| ameade_ | yeah decorators are wack | 20:41 |
| vkolosov | Guys, it was my commit. :) | 20:41 |
| markwash | okay well I'm not super worried about this patch, I dont think it will kill us even if we don't love mock.patch :-) | 20:41 |
| markwash | vkolosov: hi! | 20:41 |
| markwash | vkolosov: any thoughts then based on this conversation? keep in mind I'm thrilled for the extra test coverage | 20:42 |
| vkolosov | I used decorators to avoid multiple nesting | 20:42 |
| vkolosov | That's all. :) | 20:42 |
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| markwash | hmm, yeah all that tabbing could be worse | 20:42 |
| nikhil | it's hard to read/review though with decorators | 20:43 |
| vkolosov | I noticed that many unittests actually are not UNIT test | 20:43 |
| markwash | vkolosov: yeah :-( they sure aren't | 20:43 |
| ameade_ | haha no doubt | 20:43 |
| vkolosov | So I tried to make them more like "unit" | 20:43 |
| nikhil | learn't hard way that tabbing (or not tabbing) could result into a useless tests | 20:43 |
| vkolosov | And used a lot of mock decorators | 20:43 |
| markwash | vkolosov: we're all on the same page there, but its been slow going, trying to keep sufficient coverage | 20:43 |
| ameade_ | nikhil, markwash: if we have to nest too deep it's a code smell, i like everything being in the test function...but i really dont wanna dwell on this | 20:44 |
| markwash | well, it may be the case that mock.patch is the least problematic way of doing this | 20:44 |
| nikhil | vkolosov: :) good point (agree about unit tests) | 20:44 |
| nikhil | ameade_: haha true! :) | 20:44 |
| markwash | okay, well folks chime in on the review, I'm removing my -1 | 20:44 |
| ameade_ | sounds good, thanks for your efforts vkolosov | 20:45 |
| nikhil | +1 | 20:45 |
| markwash | if nobody has any other concerns I'll probably +2 as is in a few days | 20:45 |
| vkolosov | And it would be good to see some other opinions on the review. | 20:45 |
| markwash | vkolosov: thanks again | 20:45 |
| vkolosov | :) | 20:45 |
| vkolosov | I plan to work more on this way. | 20:45 |
| markwash | #topic glance async workers checkin | 20:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance async workers checkin (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:46 | |
| nikhil | hey | 20:46 |
| markwash | despite missing all the meetings this week, we've got some progress with initial branches merging! | 20:46 |
| markwash | s/missing/me missing/ | 20:46 |
| nikhil | thanks markwash and buzztroll! | 20:46 |
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| markwash | nikhil: it looks like you've got some more review notices there for us to look into in the next few days | 20:46 |
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| markwash | (there == in the agenda) | 20:47 |
| nikhil | yeah, | 20:47 |
| nikhil | I'm sure we can review and merge them without other patches needing design approval | 20:47 |
| markwash | okay cool | 20:47 |
| nikhil | wanted to bring it to everyone's notice | 20:47 |
| markwash | I'll give it some more attention then | 20:47 |
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| nikhil | thanks | 20:47 |
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| markwash | nikhil: any other notices wrt async stuff? | 20:48 |
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| nikhil | I feel like we should add more tests around tasks | 20:48 |
| zhiyan | nikhil: do you think it's ok for executor part? | 20:48 |
| nikhil | even though with images we might have missed a few | 20:48 |
| nikhil | and by tasks - I meant db api and REST api | 20:49 |
| nikhil | without diving into async part yet - as it is not in images section of the code | 20:49 |
| nikhil | markwash: something venkat_ and I felt the pain of fixing stuff | 20:50 |
| nikhil | and had to rely on test_tasks_lifecycle for most things | 20:50 |
| markwash | ah | 20:50 |
| markwash | yeah, more unit testing could be good there. . | 20:50 |
| markwash | do you need any help with that, or just refocusing some priorities for you guys? | 20:50 |
| nikhil | thanks! | 20:51 |
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| nikhil | markwash: just trying to focus on the review section in case some one notices it | 20:51 |
| markwash | gotch | 20:51 |
| nikhil | I saw one review - do not know who posted it | 20:51 |
| markwash | s/$/a/ | 20:51 |
| nikhil | saying this is like images so we should merge it (feel like that would be fast but painful in the future) | 20:51 |
| nikhil | something to look out for in this huge patch | 20:51 |
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| markwash | okay cool | 20:52 |
| nikhil | let me check the patch | 20:52 |
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| markwash | if there's nothing else on async, we can talk about the next/last item | 20:53 |
| nikhil | well, ignore me for now (might be remembering a irc comment if not the review comment) | 20:53 |
| markwash | ah okay | 20:53 |
| markwash | #topic gnome OPW project ideas | 20:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gnome OPW project ideas (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:53 | |
| markwash | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OutreachProgramForWomen/Ideas | 20:53 |
| buzztroll | i wonder if any of the design summit proposals would be good for that? | 20:53 |
| nikhil | :) | 20:54 |
| markwash | buzztroll: oh neat | 20:54 |
| iccha_ | if we have any small project in glance we would like an intern to work on we can add it to the ideas page | 20:54 |
| ameade_ | rewrite the unit tests | 20:54 |
| markwash | there may be a few things like that | 20:54 |
| ameade_ | heh | 20:54 |
| iccha_ | the internship is from dec- mid - march mid i think | 20:54 |
| iccha_ | i dont think they ll pick glance if the project is to rewrtie tests | 20:54 |
| markwash | buzztroll: do you think moving storage out could be good for that? | 20:54 |
| buzztroll | it could be yeah | 20:54 |
| buzztroll | there are some nuances | 20:54 |
| nikhil | +1 from me | 20:55 |
| buzztroll | like backward compat | 20:55 |
| markwash | nikhil: and do you think stevedore (which i know you've been looking at) could be a good fit for external storage modules? | 20:55 |
| buzztroll | i used it in nova | 20:55 |
| buzztroll | and i ahve a prototype with it actually | 20:55 |
| buzztroll | if i can find it | 20:55 |
| markwash | ah cool | 20:55 |
| buzztroll | it seems to be the blessed OS way now, right? | 20:55 |
| nikhil | markwash: I feel like stevedore can fit in great for multi-backend approach | 20:55 |
| markwash | I'm glad to know you guys have already covered this ground. . sounds very reasonable | 20:55 |
| buzztroll | it just hurts the legacy way to load a little | 20:55 |
| buzztroll | will take a shoe horn there | 20:56 |
| markwash | well we should also keep an eye out for other opportunities here | 20:56 |
| buzztroll | or a decree from our benevolent PTL 'backward compat be dammed!' | 20:56 |
| markwash | because the OPW seems like a great program | 20:56 |
| buzztroll | yeah | 20:56 |
| markwash | I'm personally pretty bad at thinking of tasks like that | 20:56 |
| buzztroll | it all depends on the itern that you get | 20:56 |
| iccha_ | +1 | 20:56 |
| buzztroll | i have done GSoC in the past | 20:56 |
| buzztroll | which i think is similar | 20:56 |
| iccha_ | some of them are not very technical | 20:56 |
| buzztroll | and i was a mixed bag | 20:56 |
| markwash | take a simple well defined task and I'll figure out how to complicate it to the point that I can't explain how I want it done anymore, so I just do it myself :-) | 20:56 |
| iccha_ | but want to forray into technology | 20:56 |
| nikhil | buzztroll: even gsoc is not technical? | 20:57 |
| iccha_ | last time i tried making the intern do some pythonclient features | 20:57 |
| markwash | oh crap, running out of time | 20:57 |
| buzztroll | hmmm gsoc is technical | 20:57 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 20:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:57 | |
| buzztroll | maybe i do not understand the program, ill read up on it more | 20:57 |
| markwash | firehoses open! | 20:57 |
| ameade_ | how do you win the bid if you aren't technical | 20:57 |
| nikhil | software engineering to me seems more process oriented that technology oriented | 20:58 |
| nikhil | -2 mins? | 20:58 |
| markwash | yeah | 20:58 |
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| markwash | -1 ! | 20:59 |
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| iccha_ | flwang had a baby bot | 20:59 |
| iccha_ | *boy | 20:59 |
| nikhil | :D | 20:59 |
| nikhil | that was on purpose I bet | 20:59 |
| markwash | heh I was thinking, I didn't know flwang was a robot :-) | 20:59 |
| nikhil | since the b'day was 10.01 at 00.01 in 2013 right? | 21:00 |
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| markwash | congrats flwang! | 21:00 |
| markwash | okay, out of time. . lets make way | 21:00 |
| ameade_ | peace out | 21:00 |
| iccha_ | see ya folks! | 21:00 |
| markwash | (also I need lunch I guess0 | 21:00 |
| markwash | thanks errbody | 21:00 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| nikhil | thanks | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 21:00:39 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-17-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-17-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-17-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
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