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| zehicle_at_dell | Getting ready to start the "What is Core" meetup | 13:29 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | Google Hang Out: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c21ef142242f4ef174cdf308a95eef2ef2d870dd?authuser=0&hl=en | 13:29 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | Stream only: https://secure.join.me/806-025-695 | 13:30 |
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| geoffarnold | Rob: can you test audio? Not hearing anything via JoinMe yet | 13:32 |
| AlanClark | zehicle_at_dell: am having a bit of network problems but am on my way in | 13:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok | 13:33 |
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| geoffarnold | no audio | 13:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok, let me try to fix it | 13:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | reset it | 13:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | according to join me, there is no one else | 13:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | you may have to connect to the audio | 13:35 |
| geoffarnold | maybe I show switch from JoinMe to the hangout | 13:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 13:35 |
| geoffarnold | Repeat Hangout URL please? | 13:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | joinme is a backup if we fill the hangout | 13:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c21ef142242f4ef174cdf308a95eef2ef2d870dd?authuser=0&hl=en | 13:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | "What is Core" meeting, there is room in the hangout | 13:36 |
| zehicle_at_dell | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c21ef142242f4ef174cdf308a95eef2ef2d870dd?authuser=0&hl=en | 13:36 |
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| geoffarnold | yes | 13:36 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | This topic is scheduled to run until 1500 UTC | 13:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we are working to schedule another next week offset by 12 hours to catch other timezones | 13:38 |
| AlanClark | I'm on hangout but am not visible | 13:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok | 13:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | try again | 13:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I had it set to hide guests | 13:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Alan, I sent you an invite | 13:45 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I turned off all the cameraman settings, if you join your feed is live | 13:47 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | This process was started with the IncUp efforts | 13:57 |
| zehicle_at_dell | some history https://etherpad.openstack.org/Board-2013-SpiderDiscussion | 13:57 |
| geoffarnold | Do we have a small set of strawman core definitions together with critiques (+1 and -1 points on each)? | 13:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | http://robhirschfeld.com/2013/07/23/introducing-the-openstack-spider-graph-untangling-our-web-of-interdependencies/ | 13:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | http://robhirschfeld.com/2013/08/13/openstack-core-positions/ | 13:58 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | http://robhirschfeld.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/core-flow1.png | 14:04 |
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| mattgriffin | zehicle_at_dell: have people brought up how a project/product might be removed from core (e.g., if it becomes stale or the functionality is adopted by another project)? | 14:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | great question | 14:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | it's reasonable that the must-pass test list will change release per release | 14:16 |
| mattgriffin | zehicle_at_dell: cool | 14:18 |
| geoffarnold | IRC q's or via audio? | 14:19 |
| mattgriffin | zehicle_at_dell: beyond tests, has documentation been brought up as a concern? | 14:19 |
| zehicle_at_dell | either | 14:19 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | do you have something in mind? | 14:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that's exactly why we want to vet this in community settings | 14:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | to make sure there are not impacts we did not anticipate | 14:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yeah! | 14:35 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | part of what we're trying to do it cut the problem down from project level to test level | 14:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I suspect we will have those supersets over time | 14:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | this is first | 14:38 |
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| geoffarnold | OSS/BSS interfaces | 14:44 |
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| geoffarnold | Other q's are interesting | 14:51 |
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| AlanClark | TC incubation flow diagram: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/NewProjects | 14:54 |
| mattgriffin | AlanClark: thanks! | 14:54 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | Core meeting is over | 15:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | recording will be posted | 15:02 |
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| mugsie | hey | 17:01 |
| mugsie | whos here? | 17:01 |
| tsimmons | me | 17:01 |
| msisk | here | 17:01 |
| vinodmr | vinod | 17:01 |
| eankutse | It's been a while :-) | 17:01 |
| mugsie | Kiall is stuck in traffic, so not sure if he will be able to join | 17:01 |
| mugsie | it has | 17:01 |
| betsy | here | 17:02 |
| simonmcc | here | 17:02 |
| CaptTofu | here | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting designate | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 16 17:02:50 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last week (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:03 | |
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| mugsie | or in this case, 3 weeks ago | 17:03 |
| mugsie | MySQL BIND9 Docs (CaptTofu) | 17:03 |
| mugsie | any update CaptTofu ? | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | Search out any logging guidelines from other OpenStack projects (vinodmr) | 17:04 |
| vinodmr | I haven't yet gotten around to it | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #action Search out any logging guidelines from other OpenStack projects (vinodmr) | 17:05 |
| mugsie | cool, will leave it there for the next one | 17:05 |
| mugsie | we dont have kiall, so I will move his two on a week | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #action Review HP's DEBUG level logs, increase anything generally useful to INFO or above (kiall) | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #action Update APIv2 Spec with proposed RRset/Record changes (kiall) | 17:06 |
| mugsie | anything else from previous meeting that needs to be gone over? | 17:06 |
| mugsie | meetings* | 17:06 |
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| tsimmons | I don't think so. | 17:06 |
| simonmcc | I don't think so | 17:07 |
| mugsie | vinodmr put in a review on my pools change, did anyone else have anything on it? | 17:07 |
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| eankutse | I looked at the code. | 17:07 |
| eankutse | Looks like direction is good | 17:07 |
| eankutse | Phase 1 is almost there | 17:08 |
| eankutse | but a few more code to go? | 17:08 |
| vinodmr | One thing I wanted to check again is - can the last pool be deleted? | 17:08 |
| mugsie | i dont think so. | 17:08 |
| mugsie | currently there is no create / delete allowed in phase one | 17:08 |
| mugsie | but when we have multiple pools, I am not sure if we should allow it to be deleted | 17:09 |
| mugsie | it is not much of a change if it is needed functionality though | 17:09 |
| vinodmr | I think so too | 17:09 |
| vinodmr | i.e. the last pool should not be deleted | 17:10 |
| vinodmr | Currently the placeholder code does not check for the number of pools remaining - so wanted to be sure | 17:10 |
| mugsie | yea, currently it just raises an execption | 17:10 |
| eankutse | How about requiring a minimum number of servers in a pool ? | 17:10 |
| tsimmons | Perhaps 2? | 17:11 |
| mugsie | ok | 17:11 |
| mugsie | that is not currently there,but it can be added | 17:11 |
| betsy | Would that be part of Phase 2, also? | 17:12 |
| mugsie | in v1, as far as i know we allow 0 | 17:12 |
| mugsie | yes | 17:12 |
| mugsie | betsy: ^ | 17:12 |
| eankutse | But I added code recently to not allow last server to be deleted | 17:12 |
| betsy | I thought the general design and the direction you're heading looks good | 17:12 |
| mugsie | eankutse: i may be thinking of old code :) | 17:13 |
| eankutse | yea :-) | 17:13 |
| mugsie | cool. Any more feedback , please feel free to ping me whenever | 17:13 |
| mugsie | I am on all day (UTC hours) | 17:13 |
| mugsie | #topic Zone Import / Export Endpoint (artom - added by mugsie) | 17:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zone Import / Export Endpoint (artom - added by mugsie) (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:13 | |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49555/ | 17:14 |
| mugsie | artom: you want to explain? | 17:14 |
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| artom | We're not sure whether to have a separate /zonefile endpoint, or use the existing /zone endpoint | 17:14 |
| tsimmons | I prefer the existing /zone endpoint. | 17:15 |
| mugsie | tsimmons: using the content types? | 17:15 |
| artom | In the latter case, the client would specify it wants/it's posting a zonefile with Accept/Content-type headers | 17:15 |
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| eankutse | I would prefer a new endpoint | 17:16 |
| artom | My only qualm about using /zones is that it's not the same information being outputted. | 17:16 |
| eankutse | that's right | 17:16 |
| eankutse | and the body is not the same either | 17:17 |
| tsimmons | Ehhh, doing /zone/id/export or something works for me. That's less complicated. | 17:17 |
| eankutse | I see what you mean | 17:17 |
| eankutse | tsimmons | 17:17 |
| artom | I can't seem to say anything? | 17:18 |
| artom | Oh, we're back. | 17:18 |
| artom | I was saying: /zone/zone-id with no Accept header would get the Designate dictionary | 17:18 |
| artom | With created, updated, etc, but not the records. | 17:18 |
| artom | /zone/zone-id with an Accept: text/dns header gets the zonefile, with records. | 17:18 |
| eankutse | Artom: would you update a blueprint with the pros/cons for evaluation? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | my personal preference is for the content type | 17:19 |
| mugsie | eankutse: thats a good idea | 17:19 |
| vinodmr | How would the import endpoint look like? | 17:19 |
| vinodmr | Ideally I would want the import/export endpoints to be symmetrical | 17:20 |
| mugsie | #action Update domain-import-export blueprint with pro's and con's of content types (artom) | 17:20 |
| artom | Just to make sure I understand, you mean update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/domain-import-export ? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | vinodmr: this is why I like the idea of content type, as you could then POST to the /zones end point with a content type of text/dns | 17:21 |
| mugsie | artom: yeap | 17:21 |
| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/domain-import-export | 17:21 |
| mugsie | anything else on this? | 17:22 |
| tsimmons | I like that ^ | 17:23 |
| mugsie | tsimmons: which? | 17:23 |
| betsy | I agree with mugsie - I like the content type included | 17:23 |
| vinodmr | The import endpoint would be /zones and the export endpoint would be /zones/zoneid right? | 17:23 |
| betsy | But nice to have the pros and cons documented so we can see | 17:23 |
| artom | Are there "hard" pros and cons either way? | 17:24 |
| artom | Ie, I don't see either choice imposing limitations in the future. | 17:24 |
| artom | It's more about deciding what's the better design, abstractly. | 17:25 |
| mugsie | but it does set the direction of how we model the API in the futre | 17:25 |
| tsimmons | The only real con I can see of this way is that inexperienced users might have some troubles with it as opposed to an explicit endpoint. | 17:25 |
| mugsie | tsimmons: true | 17:25 |
| mugsie | we would need to build it into the designate-client tool to help them | 17:25 |
| tsimmons | Does it really set a precedent though? It's kind of an edge case type of feature, no? | 17:26 |
| * artom wonders if other Openstack projects could guide us... | 17:26 | |
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| tsimmons | That's a good point, if there's something similar in other OpenStack projects, that's probably the way we ought to go. | 17:26 |
| mugsie | will we leave it get details together for next week? | 17:27 |
| artom | Sounds good, I'll look around and update the bp. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | cool. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | #topic Open discussion | 17:28 |
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| vinodmr | I am hesitant about having the same endpoint doing multiple things depending on the content type. | 17:28 |
| artom | Yeah, it's the sort of stuff I imagine putting in a big bold note in docs because it's not obvious... | 17:29 |
| vinodmr | Nothing else from me | 17:29 |
| mugsie | anyone else? | 17:30 |
| tsimmons | I had a quick question about the current state of server pools/pool manager | 17:30 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:30 |
| tsimmons | I was hoping to pull down the code and mess about a little bit, what kind of experience could I expect if I were to go at making it work? | 17:31 |
| tsimmons | can i start a pool manager service or start messing around with plugins or anything? Or are we not quite there yet? | 17:31 |
| mugsie | no, you can start a pool manager service fine | 17:31 |
| mugsie | you need to update your running config, and run the migration | 17:32 |
| eankutse | is this v2? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:32 |
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| eankutse | cool:-) | 17:32 |
| tsimmons | Sweet, I'll give it a shot. | 17:32 |
| mugsie | if you have any problems give me a shout | 17:32 |
| tsimmons | Thanks! | 17:32 |
| eankutse | mugsie: so would you consider phase 1 done? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | no | 17:33 |
| eankutse | what's left for phase 1? | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | i need to finish tests, and with out a way to fail over if a pool manager service dies, it is not prodcution ready | 17:33 |
| eankutse | k. | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | but the fail over will most likely be part of phase 2, so phase one and two might end up merging at the same time | 17:34 |
| eankutse | k. What again is the difference between the pool manager and the scheduler? | 17:34 |
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| mugsie | a pool mananger just deals with its servers, and updates them with info as it get it from central | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | the schedualer will assign zones to a pool | 17:35 |
| mugsie | when they are created | 17:36 |
| eankutse | And there is one pool manager per pool, right? | 17:36 |
| mugsie | yeap | 17:36 |
| tsimmons | So the scheduler would run between central and the pool managers and delegate the zone creation to one of the pools when it gets a message from central? | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | it would be a plugin to central, and would tell central where to send the creation | 17:37 |
| mugsie | like how nova assigns VMs to hosts currently | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | i think we will look at their process as an example for ours | 17:38 |
| vinodmr | What is the need for multiple pool managers instead of having one pool manager manage several pools | 17:38 |
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| mugsie | to keep the system simple | 17:38 |
| mugsie | it also allows for easier pool addition / removal | 17:39 |
| mugsie | and as pools may be physically dispersed, it reduces issues for looking of resources | 17:40 |
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| mugsie | locking* | 17:40 |
| betsy | So there's a 1-1 correlation between pool managers and pools? | 17:40 |
| betsy | Or, is a pool manager the same as a pool? | 17:40 |
| mugsie | betsy: yes | 17:40 |
| mugsie | a pool manager will manage a pool | 17:40 |
| mugsie | typically the master server, and then monitor the slaves, so it can report back whne the change is live | 17:41 |
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| mugsie | but that could depend on what backend is in use | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | A master pool manager? | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | No, the pool manager runs on the master dns server. | 17:42 |
| mugsie | it could run on the master dns server for a pool | 17:42 |
| mugsie | but not all pools might have master servers (Power DNS with a mysql backend etc) | 17:42 |
| tsimmons | Right | 17:42 |
| mugsie | the idea is that central can put a change out, and then get notified whan that change has completed, with out knowledge of the backend behind it | 17:43 |
| tsimmons | Right, it just has to have knowledge of the existing pools, to know where to send the message, or at least the scheduler does. | 17:44 |
| mugsie | yeap | 17:44 |
| * kiall made it.. just about. kinda. | 17:44 | |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:45 |
| vinodmr | Would it be better to have one pool manager for each type of backend | 17:45 |
| tsimmons | Lateness will not be tolerated. | 17:45 |
| tsimmons | ;) | 17:45 |
| artom | Neither will latency. | 17:45 |
| mugsie | well, the scedualer will run once, at whick point the pool-id is recorded in central | 17:45 |
| mugsie | vinodmr: the idea is that the current backend s will just plug into the pool-manager | 17:45 |
| mugsie | anything else on this? | 17:47 |
| tsimmons | Not from me | 17:47 |
| mugsie | cool, as always, please feel free to add comments / questions to the wiki page for the pools | 17:48 |
| mugsie | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Server_Pools | 17:48 |
| eankutse | the wiki is the same as the blueprint right? | 17:48 |
| mugsie | yeah, thats the link from the blueprint | 17:48 |
| mugsie | any other open deiscussion? | 17:49 |
| artom | While we're all still here (and kiall joined), I had a look around other Openstack projects, and while I couldn't find import/export in APIs, I did find use of the Accept header. | 17:49 |
| artom | It's to specify response *format* | 17:49 |
| artom | Not content. | 17:49 |
| eankutse | yep, that would be Content-Type | 17:50 |
| kiall | They are somewhat linked though .. For example, GET /images/12345 with Accept: image/jpeg vs | 17:50 |
| kiall | GET /images/12345 with Accept: application/json | 17:51 |
| kiall | One might be the binary data, one might be the metadata associated with the image.. Different content, and representations, for the same resource (the image) | 17:51 |
| tsimmons | So that would probably work for export, but not import, would import have to use Content-Type | 17:52 |
| tsimmons | ? | 17:52 |
| kiall | Yea - Import would be sending a Content-Type, export sending an Accept | 17:52 |
| eankutse | and both would have value text/dns | 17:53 |
| mugsie | yeap | 17:53 |
| kiall | Yea - Accept and Content-Type are linked, sending an Accept is asking for a specific Content-Type in the response | 17:53 |
| kiall | and sending a Content-Type is describing the format of the request body | 17:54 |
| tsimmons | Yeah, I've seen that before. | 17:54 |
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| kiall | Yea - Its one of those parts of HTTP thats often underused! But makes lost of sense with REST | 17:55 |
| mugsie | cool. Well artom is going to update the bp with this info, so we can look at later on in the week? | 17:56 |
| mugsie | if people are online, we shouldnt need to wait a full week | 17:56 |
| betsy | true | 17:56 |
| mugsie | cool. | 17:57 |
| artom | Yeah, we can stick with that original plan :) | 17:57 |
| mugsie | Any other business? | 17:57 |
| mugsie | we are nearly at time | 17:57 |
| eankutse | not for me | 17:57 |
| tsimmons | I'm good. | 17:57 |
| kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/NewProjects | 17:57 |
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| kiall | Not to be discussed today .. Just a few people have been asking about the process | 17:58 |
| kiall | Noticed that wiki page today | 17:58 |
| mugsie | cool. | 17:58 |
| mugsie | thanks guys for coming | 17:58 |
| mugsie | #endmeeeting | 17:58 |
| kiall | Thanks mugsie for taking point :) and apologies for being late | 17:58 |
| artom | Where are we at now in that flowchart? | 17:58 |
| mugsie | #endmeeeting designate | 17:58 |
| kiall | mugsie: re-auth to nickserv? ;) | 17:59 |
| kiall | artom: External phase | 17:59 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 16 17:59:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-10-16-17.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-10-16-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-10-16-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
| mugsie | weird | 18:00 |
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| eankutse | Betsy we are in STUBBS | 19:04 |
| eankutse | wring IRC, Sorry;-) | 19:04 |
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| grapex | #startmeeting trove | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 16 20:00:25 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is grapex. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| grapex | o/ | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:00 |
| vipul | \o | 20:00 |
| juice | o/ | 20:00 |
| grapex | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting | 20:00 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 20:00 |
| datsun180b | hello | 20:00 |
| juice | _o/ | 20:00 |
| SlickNik | here | 20:01 |
| grapex | Agenda looks a tad sparse on the wiki! | 20:01 |
| pdmars | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redthrux | o/ | 20:01 |
| grapex | #topic Action Items | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:01 | |
| grapex | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-09-20.00.html | 20:01 |
| grapex | 1. SlickNik to check with other teams to set groups permissions correctly on LaunchPad | 20:01 |
| SlickNik | So I checked with others on openstack-infra | 20:01 |
| dmakogon | o/ | 20:01 |
| esp | o/ | 20:02 |
| SlickNik | And it seems like the permissions for the bp's are set up exactly the way they are in the other groups. | 20:02 |
| SlickNik | There's only a subset of fields that are editable by everybody. | 20:02 |
| esmute | o/ | 20:02 |
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| SlickNik | And only members of the *-drivers group are allowed to edit _all_ fields for blueprints. | 20:03 |
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| SlickNik | So there's really not any work for us that needs to be done for this action item. | 20:03 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Cool | 20:03 |
| grapex | Who brought this up last time? Was it dmakogon? | 20:04 |
| SlickNik | I hope that's not going to be an issue for most folks. | 20:04 |
| grapex | Maybe we just need to make sure people are in the Drivers group | 20:04 |
| SlickNik | I'm not sure. It was brought up by multiple people. | 20:04 |
| SlickNik | And there was confusion around it. | 20:04 |
| grapex | Ok, if anyone brings it up we'll just remember to ask them to join the drivers group on launchpad. | 20:04 |
| grapex | #link https://launchpad.net/~trove-drivers/+members#active | 20:04 |
| grapex | Cool. | 20:04 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. | 20:04 |
| SlickNik | Thanks grapex. | 20:04 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Thank you for sorting that out! | 20:05 |
| grapex | Moving on... | 20:05 |
| grapex | 2. Fix bug with DELETE to allow instances in BUILDING_ERROR_DNS state to be deleted. | 20:05 |
| grapex | I'll take this one | 20:05 |
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| grapex | Actually, I think dmakogon fixed this? | 20:06 |
| grapex | n/m, that was something else | 20:06 |
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| dmakogon | no, this was not me | 20:06 |
| grapex | To reiterate, this issue was related to redthrux / dmakogon's discussion around resources last time. In the end we agreed that there was a seperate bug in DNS. No one has worked on it I guess. | 20:06 |
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| grapex | #action grapex to fix issue where instances in BUILDING_ERROR_DNS cannot be deleted. | 20:07 |
| SlickNik | thanks for the re-action, grapex. | 20:07 |
| dmakogon | grapex: we could fix it, quickly | 20:07 |
| grapex | dmakogon: Agreed | 20:07 |
| grapex | SlickNik: I'll try to actually get to this by next meeting, I swear. :) | 20:07 |
| grapex | Ok, agenda items. | 20:07 |
| dmakogon | even we should | 20:07 |
| grapex | #topic Conductor changes. (datsun180b) | 20:08 |
| datsun180b | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45116/ | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Conductor changes. (datsun180b) (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:08 | |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: do you have an update on conductor? | 20:08 |
| datsun180b | Thanks for helping get the devstack and integration pieces merged. This is the last piece, the actual conductor | 20:08 |
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| SlickNik | nice work on the devstack pieces, datsun180b | 20:09 |
| datsun180b | Once the auto job is happy please look at it--it changes the way guest agents communicate their status--no more talking directly to the DB | 20:09 |
| dmakogon | datsun180b, nicely done | 20:09 |
| vipul | awesome | 20:09 |
| redthrux | datsun180b: +++ | 20:09 |
| datsun180b | Once it's merged you will probably have to update your own GAs if you haven't already been cribbing from my notes | 20:09 |
| grapex | datsun180b: That should really help, the direct DB access by the agent is easily one of the most disliked features of the current architecture. | 20:10 |
| SlickNik | datsun180b: Haven't had a chance to look at the patch yet; will review it when I get a chance and take it for a spin on devstack. :) | 20:10 |
| datsun180b | That's all I've got about conductor for now. | 20:10 |
| vipul | datsun180b: so are we at a point where we can remove the sql_connection string from conf? | 20:10 |
| datsun180b | wakaranai | 20:10 |
| datsun180b | but probably | 20:10 |
| vipul | I imagine for some things, we still need to talk to the DB? maybe backups | 20:10 |
| kevinconway | instead of conductor the guest could keep a local sqlite db | 20:11 |
| kevinconway | and rsync it back sometimes | 20:11 |
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| vipul | anyway, so my question is.. do we need to address any other palces that require db access in this patch? | 20:11 |
| vipul | or do you envision that as separate things | 20:12 |
| * grapex hits kevinconway with a rusty fish or something | 20:12 | |
| kevinconway | i would go ahead with this patch and let the rest be additional reviews | 20:12 |
| datsun180b | i've had kind of a narrow focus, i don't know that i can answer that confidently | 20:12 |
| grapex | Sorry I don't know what trick hub_cap does to make those phrases appear so I had to improvise. | 20:12 |
| vipul | ok works for me | 20:12 |
| grapex | By the way, hub_cap is traveling today if anyone was curious. Sorry I didn't announce that at the start. | 20:12 |
| kevinconway | grapex: slash slap i think | 20:12 |
| datsun180b | there's probably other components to wean off the db, but that's for additional conductor methods probably | 20:12 |
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| robertmyers | baby steps :) | 20:13 |
| dmakogon | could we make trove-api talk to conductor ? | 20:13 |
| datsun180b | dmakogon: that's planned in future phases | 20:13 |
| vipul | why would you need to? | 20:13 |
| grapex | Ok. But if the backups feature still uses the db it means we have to run conductor w/o the benefits of denying the guest db access. | 20:14 |
| datsun180b | one plan is for conductor to be the source of truth for guest statuses | 20:14 |
| grapex | dmakogon: The trove-api usually just uses rpc calls to the agent so there's already no db access from there. Anything else goes through task manager. | 20:14 |
| kevinconway | can't we merge this review and then open another BP or defect for it? | 20:14 |
| dmakogon | grapex, trove-api still writes some data into database, should it be moved to taskmanager ? | 20:15 |
| vipul | kevinconway: i'm fine with doing that.. but there should be a use_conductor flag.. | 20:15 |
| grapex | dmakogon: Ah, you mean trove-api in general talking to the infrastructure db? I guess I don't understand. | 20:15 |
| datsun180b | vipul: that's ENABLED_SERVICES in localrc | 20:15 |
| grapex | Honestly, I think maybe the existing conductor pull request should wait until the backup feature also uses it. | 20:15 |
| grapex | IIRC that is the only remaining place where the database is used. | 20:16 |
| datsun180b | of course that won't prevent the guestagent from trying to put messages on a q | 20:16 |
| dmakogon | grapex, to make api only transform calls from http to rpc | 20:16 |
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| dmakogon | have any one thought about getting rid of rpc at all ? | 20:16 |
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| kevinconway | dmakogon: we can switch to Node.js and use HTTP requests for everything | 20:17 |
| datsun180b | i don't think that argument is within the scope of the implementation of a new rpc-consuming service | 20:17 |
| vipul | hub_cap mentioned protobuff dmakogon | 20:17 |
| SlickNik | dmakogon: there was some thought of moving to protobuffers, but we didn't discuss it yet. | 20:17 |
| grapex | dmakogon: The idea of conductor is the rpc stuff should be swappable, and allow for other implementations. | 20:17 |
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| dmakogon | http would be preferable | 20:17 |
| dmakogon | easy to redirect | 20:17 |
| vipul | Hmm.. how do you do async things | 20:17 |
| dmakogon | easy to handle | 20:18 |
| redthrux | dmakogon: can we shelve that? | 20:18 |
| vipul | redthrux: +1 | 20:18 |
| grapex | dmakogon: I agree. I think future iterations of conductor could support that. | 20:18 |
| SlickNik | That's a whole another discussion, +1 to shelving it. | 20:18 |
| dmakogon | redthrux, yes | 20:18 |
| grapex | Ok, let's move on. | 20:18 |
| vipul | ok grapex your call | 20:18 |
| vipul | wait for backups to use conductor or not | 20:18 |
| grapex | #action datsun180b to add backup status updates to conductor | 20:19 |
| datsun180b | booo, i've been done for a month | 20:20 |
| grapex | #topic Fake mode daemon fix, how to use it. (grapex) | 20:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fake mode daemon fix, how to use it. (grapex) (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:20 | |
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| grapex | I'll be honest guys, I put this on here because the wiki looked skinny. | 20:20 |
| grapex | Are we sure it didn't get vandalized? :) | 20:20 |
| redthrux | grapex: you are so image-driven | 20:20 |
| grapex | Anyway, I have a tiny pull request sitting on gerrit right now that fixes the daemon version of fake mode | 20:20 |
| redthrux | :P | 20:20 |
| grapex | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51262/ | 20:20 |
| grapex | Just wanted to take a brief moment to explain how this works. Essentially you can run trove-api in fake mode which makes it possible to experiment with API changes and other features. | 20:21 |
| grapex | You can, for example, allow an external team to hit an API and see how it reacts. | 20:21 |
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| grapex | Anyway, just my PSA on this feature. I know a few of you have used it when testing the XML version of some API calls. | 20:22 |
| grapex | That's all. :) | 20:22 |
| vipul | do you guys run it often? | 20:22 |
| grapex | vipul: All the time. | 20:22 |
| datsun180b | before we submit code, and a dozen times before then | 20:22 |
| vipul | Ok.. yea we have not yet run it | 20:23 |
| grapex | Anyway, if anyone's curious hit me up after the meeting. Moving on... | 20:23 |
| grapex | #topic Tempest for integration tests. (SnowDust) | 20:23 |
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| dmakogon | wow | 20:23 |
| dmakogon | tempest | 20:23 |
| dmakogon | i thought this question is closed | 20:23 |
| SlickNik | SnowDust, around? | 20:23 |
| grapex | I know hub_cap is working on this. I haven't heard any updates from him recently so I'm not sure what news to report here. | 20:23 |
| SlickNik | Same here. | 20:24 |
| dmakogon | hub_cap said "wait until trove tempest framework would be finished" | 20:24 |
| grapex | SnowDust isn't in attendance so I guess we can move on. | 20:24 |
| vipul | there was some discussion about what creates the guest images | 20:24 |
| vipul | anyone know how that works w/tempest? | 20:25 |
| dmakogon | nope | 20:25 |
| grapex | vipul: Test resources probably | 20:25 |
| grapex | vipul: Just speculation is all we have for now though. Let's move on... | 20:25 |
| SlickNik | There was a discussion we had with clarkb where we decided that we'd have a devstack? job that creates a vetted disk-image and publishes it on o.o somewhere. | 20:26 |
| SlickNik | The tempest job can then use these pre-created disk-images so they don't have to build one _every_ time | 20:26 |
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| SlickNik | That's just a heads up. Things are still in flux, so I'd move on until we have more details. | 20:27 |
| vipul | ok cool | 20:27 |
| grapex | SlickNik: I'm a bit confused about the philosophy of where things get created. hub_cap has been telling me that users will be created now from within the Tempest test themselves. I guess I'm curious as what the cut off point is for an expensive resource where you can no longer put it in Tempest. | 20:27 |
| grapex | Should probably just wait until hub_cap returns. Sorry for the tangent, lets move on. | 20:27 |
| grapex | #topic open discussion | 20:27 |
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| dmakogon | could i take a word ? | 20:27 |
| SlickNik | grapex: I'm not sure. Let's discuss when hub_cap get's back. | 20:27 |
| grapex | dmakogon: Sure. | 20:27 |
| SlickNik | Sure, dmakogon go for it. | 20:27 |
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| dmakogon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45116/ - i'd like everyone take a look at this refactoring | 20:28 |
| vipul | conductor? | 20:28 |
| dmakogon | it is really significant for future GA development | 20:28 |
| dmakogon | no | 20:28 |
| datsun180b | probably copy/paste mistake | 20:28 |
| kevinconway | +1 dmakogon | 20:28 |
| kevinconway | great work | 20:28 |
| dmakogon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50686/ | 20:28 |
| dmakogon | yes, sorry | 20:28 |
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| dmakogon | i know that some of you discussed how to call database it trove terms | 20:29 |
| dmakogon | so you came into suggestion with "datastrore" term | 20:30 |
| vipul | cool dmakogon we did need this reorg to support other types | 20:30 |
| redthrux | yeah i thought it was very useful dmakogon | 20:30 |
| dmakogon | yes | 20:30 |
| dmakogon | this review is a big cake peace | 20:30 |
| dmakogon | there a still some improvements need to be done | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | I think it still needs some improvements, dmakogon. Will review and put up some comments in a bit. | 20:31 |
| vipul | I did want to ask regarding the 'datastore' term... did we also decide on 'datastore_version" or just 'version' | 20:31 |
| dmakogon | step-by-stem we coming to more and more flexible guestagent | 20:31 |
| grapex | dmakogon: Maybe this is too specific for the meeting | 20:31 |
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| dmakogon | we are in Open Discussions | 20:32 |
| grapex | It might be easier to discuss over the mailing list. | 20:32 |
| esmute | i want to get your input on something guys. | 20:33 |
| esmute | grapex, dmakogon: what is the status of this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45708/? | 20:33 |
| esmute | i know there has been some talk aobut not implementing this because future heat implementation will take care of it | 20:33 |
| dmakogon | esmute, grapex should re-review it | 20:33 |
| dmakogon | esmute, yes | 20:33 |
| esmute | but part of this fix also fixes a quota issue.. So we need it | 20:33 |
| grapex | esmute: I'll try to look at that review soon. | 20:34 |
| esmute | this patch has been under review for a long time. | 20:34 |
| dmakogon | esmute, yes =( | 20:34 |
| grapex | Sorry, things here have been pretty hectic lately, but I should have more time for reviews soon. I understand your frustration. | 20:34 |
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| esmute | and i would like to get it merged. | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | esmute / dmakogon: If there's some contention regarding the security groups review, perhaps we should break the quota fix out into a different patch? | 20:34 |
| vipul | yea we need to get better reviewing overall .. myself included | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | +1 to better reviewing. | 20:35 |
| esmute | grapex: Currently it was a -2 from you. So i think that is preventing others to even look at it | 20:35 |
| dmakogon | SlickNik: i thinks it should stay together for avoiding new bugs(maybe) | 20:35 |
| datsun180b | i want to mention that a negative vote on a review from -core doesn't mean you can't look at something too | 20:36 |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: but it hurts our karma to vote against them doesn't it? | 20:36 |
| datsun180b | i know i've fallen way behind in reviews | 20:36 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: no it doesn't. | 20:36 |
| esmute | datsun180b: i think that discourage devs to look at it. At least, if i see a -2, i wont use my time to look at it and rather look at other reviews | 20:36 |
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| kevinconway | oh… well then how do i lower my karma? | 20:37 |
| dmakogon | datsun180b: i've got question | 20:37 |
| dmakogon | datsun180b: about conductor heartbeat | 20:37 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: schedule meetings at 6 a.m. :) | 20:37 |
| dmakogon | datsun180b: why does you hardcode mysql as service type ? | 20:38 |
| datsun180b | is it already open discussion time? | 20:38 |
| kevinconway | SlickNik: done! | 20:38 |
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| datsun180b | dmakogon: because i'd originally built a mysql guest agent | 20:38 |
| datsun180b | please mention it in the reive | 20:38 |
| datsun180b | review | 20:38 |
| dmakogon | use CONF.service_type | 20:38 |
| grapex | Yeah, -2's do make it so people skip past reviews and don't look at them, which isn't cool. If I -2 something though its because I spent awhile looking at it and have a serious concern- I don't do it lightly. Please just try to contact me directly if you've updated something I reviewed negatively and I'll try to get to it before I look at other stuff. | 20:38 |
| datsun180b | okay | 20:38 |
| dmakogon | datsun180b, but you've done great work | 20:39 |
| dmakogon | datsun180b, <3 | 20:39 |
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| grapex | Does anyone else have something they want to bring up? | 20:41 |
| dmakogon | i suppose we could end | 20:42 |
| vipul | good here | 20:42 |
| SlickNik | good by me | 20:42 |
| grapex | #endmeeting | 20:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 16 20:42:44 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-16-20.00.html | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-16-20.00.txt | 20:42 |
| grapex | See you everyone! | 20:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-16-20.00.log.html | 20:42 |
| SlickNik | Thanks grapex for running the meeting! | 20:42 |
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| grapex | SlickNik: No problem. See you! | 20:43 |
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