Thursday, 2013-10-24

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icchahola14:00
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markwashhi hi14:01
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markwash#startmeeting glance14:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 24 14:02:43 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:02
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markwashsorry for the delay, doing some last minute agenda editiing14:03
markwash#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:03
markwashAnybody here who doesn't see their item in the agenda, feel free to add it now14:04
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markwashlet's get started14:04
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markwash#topic project status meeting updates14:05
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markwashwell, this was short this week, all I think we did was talk about summit scheduling14:05
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markwashwhich is an item further on in the list, so yeah14:06
markwash#topic broken tests in master14:06
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markwashI think most people here are familiar by now, the iso8601 datetime parsing changed a bit between 0.1.4 and 0.1.8 (the next okay release)14:07
markwashnikhil|afk and zhiyan1 were getting after it, but we didn't end up getting much help from openstack/requirements14:08
markwashI sent out this14:09
markwash#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/017302.html14:09
markwashseems like consensus there was that we should just update to 0.1.8 across the board14:09
zhiyan1markwash: global requirement has been merged14:09
zhiyan1>=0.1.814:09
markwashoh, hurray14:10
markwashlate breaking news14:10
icchalol14:10
zhiyan1https://review.openstack.org/#/c/5356714:11
markwashwe had so many different patches submitted, I didn't realize :-)14:11
markwashI just abandoned mine14:11
markwashokay great, so the glance patch needed is. . .14:11
flwangzhiyan1 has submit a patch to remove the broken test case14:12
zhiyan1flwang: sorry i have not remove them, but enhance them14:12
markwash#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52894/814:13
flwangzhiyan1: I mean the '2011-09-05' case14:13
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markwashokay, let's see if we can get that fixed up and in today14:13
zhiyan1flwang: my first case does that YYYY-MM-DD14:14
markwashis there anything else to talk about for that issue here today?14:14
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flwangzhiyan1: ok, got14:14
markwashokay, moving on14:15
markwash#topic design summit sessions14:15
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markwash#link http://summit.openstack.org/14:15
markwashI did a run through last night approving, rejecting, and adding comments about merging topics14:15
markwashbut I think maybe the comments are not readable by an anonymous user?14:16
markwashIf you have feedback about my selections, please share it, either here or privately later if you prefer14:18
markwashquestions about the summit?14:18
zhiyan1markwash: btw, if i have clear bp in mind but not proposed to session, i ok?14:19
markwashzhiyan1: can you clarify that? you have a bp, but no session for it?14:19
zhiyan1i mean we don't need discuss all bp plan in the session .. just make sure, and i don discuss that with you directly later..14:20
markwashright, we don't necessarily have to discuss every icehouse bp in the summit14:20
zhiyan1s/don/will , sorry14:20
markwashsome sessions were (gently) refused because I didn't think we were likely to have any fight about the idea14:21
icchamarkwash: how many slots do we have?14:21
markwashiccha: 514:21
markwashso there were several great proposals for stuff that needs to follow on the async and import work14:21
markwashand most of the time I just said "I think everyone is mostly on the same page, let's just follow up on <issue x> in meetings and on the mailing list."14:22
zhiyan1(thinking, can i have ~10 mins for "indexing" async work? )14:22
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markwashzhiyan1: at the summit? or here today?14:23
zhiyan1summit14:23
zhiyan1..within import work14:23
markwashzhiyan1: I'm not sure, I don't see a great fit with the existing approved talks14:24
markwashzhiyan1: but I think we'd all like to hear about it14:24
markwashkeep in mind, a lot of glance core actually won't be at the summit14:24
zhiyan1yes, we can talk off line after session if you and nikhil|afk like14:24
markwashso it might be more useful overall to try to bring it up in a different forum14:24
esheffieldl14:24
icchawe have 5 in preapproved state, so looks like we re in good shape.14:24
markwashokay, I think we can move on to the next topic14:25
markwash#topic taskflow14:25
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markwashharlowja had the time to sit down and school me about taskflow this past week14:25
markwashI think, given its traction with other projects and its similarity with what we're trying to accomplish, it makes a lot of sense to use14:26
markwashI was a bit hesitant before14:26
markwashI think the question for us is, to what extent can we integrate in Icehouse14:26
icchawhat were the main take aways from the conversation?14:26
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markwashthe main takeaway was that there are rather 3 levels of integration that might make sense14:27
markwash1) just breaking up and defining the work to be done as tasks and flows, similar to what cinder has right now14:27
markwash2) actually using an engine to construct the flows14:27
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markwash3) something complicated that i don't remember… maybe having the flows be more portable to deal with machine failures?14:27
markwashit seemed like the question for us for Icehouse was, #1 or #2?14:27
markwashI think at #2, we might expect that the engines to more or less replace our executor code14:28
zhiyan1markwash: cool. saw your message with harlowja, so seems you(s) plan not implement worker in glance internal, at stage 2, just waiting taskflow implement 'RPC worker/engine' part in I, and we focus on stage 1, right?14:28
rosmaitamarkwash: what are the deployment expectations with taskflow?14:28
rosmaitawould it live on glance node?14:29
markwashzhiyan1: I think its still an important question, whether we implement a worker or just use an RPC engine14:29
zhiyan1iirc 3) is "job posting" mechanism14:29
markwashzhiyan1: and probably depends as much on the timing as anything14:29
markwashrosmaita: I think the deployment expectations are the same14:29
markwashrosmaita: i.e. the deployer has the option to have the work done either on the api node (like our eventlet model before) or remotely on a pool of worker nodes14:30
rosmaitaok14:30
markwashrosmaita: does that agree with your understanding of it / concerns?14:30
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zhiyan1markwash: ok (i have a topic for that, we can discuss glance-worker on session)14:31
rosmaitamy concern is mainly not requiring something too heavy-duty as part of glance deployment14:31
iccha+114:31
markwashI don't want this taskflow thing to be a disruptor in our current work, so let me know if that's seeming to be the case14:32
rosmaitai am worried about building too long a dependency chain on incubating projects14:32
icchaif we decide to use it , it should be pluggable14:32
markwashre: heavy duty, I think we're going to be okay there as long as we're just using it to define the task scripts14:32
icchanot a required dependency14:32
markwashiccha: that makes sense to me for the engines, but not as much for the simpler case of script definition14:33
markwashif you're just doing step #1 above, its very lightweight in a deployment and dependency sense14:33
icchaok gotcha.. i need to do more homework on taskflow14:33
markwash#link https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/flows/create_volume/__init__.py14:34
markwash^^ might help14:34
markwashokay, other thoughts on taskflow14:34
markwashagain, I don't want this to be seen as moving the target for our current work14:34
icchathanks markwash14:34
markwashso if it is, let's pull back and make sure taskflow isn't disrupting our plans14:35
rosmaitai think it's important to get import task done, then revisit taskflow14:35
rosmaitaonce we see an actual workflow in actino14:36
markwashrosmaita: hmm, okay. . but I think we should keep it in mind becuase it might actually make the import script coding part easier and faster to do from where we are now14:37
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markwashat least when we start to look at doing the more complex parts (i.e. plugins for conversion / validation / etc)14:37
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markwashbut yeah, if we need to move ahead without taskflow and revisit it later in the cycle I'm fine with taht14:38
zhiyan1markwash: actually rosmaita's message ask me remember my question 1 and 2 within http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/016917.html14:38
zhiyan1markwash: ... they are pending still after our last discussing.. humm14:39
markwashzhiyan1: yes, I'm not sure I'm ready to follow up on that. . I still feel generally that we should not allow plugins to define new task types14:39
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markwashbecause it seems too diffusive, I want different deployments to feel the same14:40
zhiyan1let's talk this off line... seems it need more time.14:40
markwashokay, moving on14:40
markwash#topic async workers14:40
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zhiyan1markwash: make a action between us?14:40
markwashI keep looking for stuff to review, but its always based on an outdated patch14:41
markwasham I just bad at finding the right review?14:41
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markwashzhiyan1: I'm not sure exactly what I would put in the action item14:42
flwangmarkwash: I think you can start from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43842/ and  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46224/ :)14:42
markwashflwang thanks!14:43
markwashany other quick things to note about async workers progress? I think we've mostly been blocked at the gate this week :-(14:43
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markwashokay14:44
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markwash#topic doc review14:45
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markwashrosmaita is this your item?14:45
markwashI get a 404 on the link :-(14:45
markwashI think maybe the last number was clipped somehow14:45
rosmaitahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/5170414:45
rosmaitasorry about that, chief!14:46
markwashgood ol gate-noop14:46
markwashno worries14:46
markwashfolks: have a look at that review, I will too14:46
markwashrosmaita: anything else to cover other than a shout out for review?14:46
rosmaitanot from me14:47
markwash#topic tasks authorization layer14:47
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markwashhmm, I think nikhil|afk suggested this? but is still afk14:47
icchaI think that is soemthing we can consider for glance as a whole, not necessarily just tasks14:48
markwashah, okay14:49
icchabut I am not sure how that review comes into picture.14:49
zhiyan1iirc iccha yesterday give some great response to explain why we need this layer ...14:49
markwashI thought so too14:49
icchamaybe nikhil|afk had something else in mind wrt review, I am not sure14:49
markwashlet's table it for now14:50
markwash#topic open discussion14:50
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markwashI finallly proposed a session about v114:51
markwashplease let me know if you think its a dud and I should let some other talk take the space14:51
icchaif some cross project talks come up we can consider, otherwise I think its ok because most ppl still use v114:52
zhiyan1markwash: after fast glance, IMO v1 is useful, since some function only be supported by v1 but v2..14:53
icchaI agree till we have import and export we may wanna keep it around14:53
zhiyan1i mean this topic is valuable probably, we can talk details on the session14:53
markwashzhiyan1: well a main thing I would like to stop doing is implementing new functionality both the right way (in a code library like the domain) and the wrong way (in the v1 controller)14:54
iccha+114:54
icchajust makes v1 clunkier14:54
icchaif clunkier is a word :p14:54
markwash+114:54
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zhiyan1freeze v1, +114:54
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markwashzhiyan1: yeah, freeze is a good option to consider, good point14:54
flwang+1 to avoid dup work anymore14:55
flwangbtw, when the glance client will use v2 as the default?14:55
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markwashhmm good question14:56
markwashoh I forgot to talk about glanceclient (which I of course neglected to release again :-()14:56
zhiyan1iccha: btw "clunkier" ?14:56
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flwangI think before we let other components using v2, we should eat the dog food by ourself :)14:57
icchazhiyan1: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clunkier14:57
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markwashokay, time for me to get some breakfast14:58
markwashthanks folks14:58
markwash#endmeeting14:58
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-24-14.02.txt14:58
icchathanks markwash14:58
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-24-14.02.log.html14:58
zhiyan1thank you guys14:58
rosmaitabye!14:58
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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 24 15:00:56 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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bswartzhello all15:01
bswartz#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaMeetings15:01
vponomaryovhi15:01
caitlin56hi15:01
gregsfortytwohi15:02
bswartzfirst thing I have some news15:02
bswartzI talked to ttx and the TC has not taken up our request for incubation yet15:02
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bswartzit would seem that I'm supposed to go to the TC meeting and defend the proposal15:02
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bswartzit's been put on the calendar for Nov 19 (4 weeks away) due to the conference15:03
bswartzso this is disappointing15:03
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vbellurbswartz: yeah15:03
bswartzthe "show up and defend your propsal" step was not documented15:03
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caitlin56IRC  meeting? Phone conference? or physical?15:03
bswartzIRC meeting15:03
bswartzthe TC meetings are like all of these meetings, Tueday at 2000 UTC15:04
caitlin56Are "friends of the project" encouraged/allowed?15:04
bswartzI think they're open to the public15:04
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bill_az_sorry I'm late - this is about the incubation request ?15:04
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bswartzbill_az_: yes, it's been delayed again15:05
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bswartzanyways this gives us more time to lobby behind the scenes -- nothing we can do about the date I don't think, esp w/ the conf coming up so soon15:06
bill_az_those in HK can still lobby for the project there15:06
bswartzyes15:06
bswartzanyways that's all I have in the way of news15:06
bswartz#topic status15:06
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bswartzyportnova: you here?15:07
vponomaryovyulia is absent today, so I would inform about progress15:07
bswartzvponomaryov: do you have anything?15:07
bswartzokay15:07
vponomaryovImplementation of Neutron API - in progress (will upload patch no longer than Monday 28.10)15:07
vponomaryov2) Implementation of generic neutron vif driver - in progress - as soon as we want to launch LXC containers on host - we need to provide connectivity to tenant private network like Nova does for VMs. The easier way - copy generic vif driver from Nova nova.virt.libvirt.vif.LibvirtGenericVIFDriver in case of using libvirt for managing LXC container.15:08
vponomaryov3) Implementation of LXC driver - in progress - There is a possibility launching LXC conainers without image - but using hypervisor directly, not libvirt.15:08
bswartzvponomaryov: I'm confused about (3)15:09
navneetlibvirt gives an api layer for diff hypervisors15:09
caitlin56Can the APIs support launching on the server end without having an actual hypervisor?15:09
vponomaryovand plan is to finish LXC driver and networking15:09
bswartzlibvirt won't allow creating of LXC containers without an image?15:09
navneetbswartz: api should e uniform15:10
aostapenkoHi, we discovered an ability to use lxc sharing 1 filesystem with libvirt. it's ok15:10
aostapenkohosts filesystem15:10
vponomaryovabout 3) AFAIK, without image we can create container and than use it with libvirt15:10
vponomaryovcreate container with LXC15:11
caitlin56LXC strikes me as a very reasonable approach to doing a vserver for a Linux file server. But not all of us have Linux fileservers.15:11
bswartzyes the whole goal here is to provide tenant isolation using linux containers, without going for full virtualization15:11
bswartzcaitlin56: this is specific to the so-called "LVM driver" for manila15:11
navneetbswartz: I guess we should rethink on it15:12
caitlin56bswartz: that's fine, but we need to identify this issue for nova team -- and the earlier the better.15:12
bswartzwhat? what does nova have to do w/ it?15:13
bswartzIt's pretty clear how we can implement a NetApp backend for CIFS/NFS using the proposed model15:13
caitlin56Will nova tell the backend to add a VNIC (for a vServer) even if the actual server has no hypervisor?15:13
bswartzthe main things were trying to get into the codeline are the client APIs to setup the network, and an generic implementation that runs on Linux which we're calling the "LVM driver"15:13
aostapenkono. we want to copy functionality from nova. not using nova15:14
caitlin56And what I think was just explained is that the LVM Driver can use LXC so that nova is launching a container rather than a full VM.15:14
bswartzcaitlin56: the interaction should be between manila and neutron directly15:15
bswartzI don't see a reason to add any dependency on nova15:15
navneetbswartz: suggest u include name...confused which point u addressing15:15
kendurazzoDo we need to think about Windows Servers?15:15
kendurazzoor just keep it simple at first with one OS?15:15
bswartzkendurazzo: we can provide CIFS support using samba inside LXC15:16
caitlin56bswartz: so , does our research show that we can tell neutron to provision a VNIC on a baremetal server without relying on a hypervisor?15:16
bswartzif someone wants to run manila on Windows they will need to use a different driver15:16
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bswartzcaitlin56: yes it should be possible15:17
bswartzI have yet to see a working prototype however15:17
caitlin56bswartz: on the Windows issue. The difference between Manila and Cinder is that Manila needs code in the guest itself, correct? Because hypervisor have not defined virt-file-system.15:18
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bswartzaostapenko/vponomaryov: any word on when we might have a prototype of the code that interacts with neutron to adds a new "virtual NIC" on a physical interface?15:18
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bswartzcaitlin56: that's the difference between the LVM drivers for the two projects15:19
bswartzthe cinder LVM driver is simple and straightforward15:19
vponomaryovbswartz: Info from yulia is next: Implementation of Neutron API is in progress (will upload patch no longer than Monday 28.10)15:20
bswartzthe manila LVM driver will be more code in order to support multi-tenant15:20
bswartzvponomaryov: cool15:20
bswartzokay so we're gradually getting the issues sorted out15:21
bswartzafter HK I hope to quickly get aa referece implementation and some documentation to help others write backends15:21
bswartzbut first....15:22
bswartz#topic feedback on networking BP15:22
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bswartz#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/join-tenant-network15:22
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bswartzthere's been some discussion on this15:22
bswartzcaitlin56: can you elaborate on your DHCP concerns?15:23
bswartzare you thinking that tenants might run their own DHCP inside their tenant network?15:23
bswartzthat seems odd when IP address assignment is handled by OpenStack15:23
caitlin56bswartz: basically, I am worried about disrupting existing tenant networks.15:24
caitlin56If a tenant is used to doing their network entirely through their DHCP server, we should let them run their tenant network that way.15:24
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bswartzhow well does multicast work inside a tenant network today?15:24
bswartzin my experience multicast support is generally poor, but I haven't tried it w.r.t. openstack15:25
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caitlin56bswartz:thanks for the update after my temporary glitch there.15:26
caitlin56I think we need to clearly define the migration of a network to a tenant network, well probably neutron does.15:27
bswartzI think that neutron should always be capable of assigning new IPs to a tenant network15:27
caitlin56But a file system is the type of thing where users may be used to having the DHCP server set the associated servers (AD/LDAP/DNS), and we need to provide a complete migration story.15:28
bswartzI've never seen a case where neutron cedes control of IP address assignment to a tenant-owned DHCP server15:28
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caitlin56But you can confirm your IP address with a DHCP server and get the *rest* of your tenant config from it.15:28
eskerbswartz: I like to suggest asking a representative Neutron core team member to join these meetings15:28
kendurazzoin a private cloud implementation, neutron would have to interact with existing DHCP services15:29
caitlin56esker: +115:29
bswartzcaitlin56: the DNS server configuration is key, but we can require them to supply it to manila, and manila can do the hard work from then on15:29
bswartzjcorbin: are you there?15:29
jcorbinbswartz: yes15:30
bswartzjcorbin: are you on the neutron team?15:30
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jcorbinbswartz: I am not a neutron core developer. I follow the team. I am still coming up to speed.15:30
rushiagrsry, late15:30
rushiagrhi all!15:30
bswartzwe have some questions about the exact workings of IP address assignment in neutron15:31
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bswartzmaybe we need to take an AI to figure this out in the coming week15:31
bswartzunless you happen to know the answers15:31
jcorbinbswartz: I would have to investigate. I have not looked into IP assignments.15:31
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bswartzjcorbin: do you know if neutron has a mode where IP address assignment is owned by a tenant-controlled DHCP server?15:32
bswartzwe can table this until next week15:33
bswartzit's an interesting concern, but I don't feel like it's a showstopper15:33
jcorbinbswartz: Neutron will configure a DHCP server on each tenant network. I don't know what the options are for controlling this. There is also an extension to the Neutron API to send options to the DHCP server.15:33
bswartzcaitlin56: did you have any other issues w/ the proposal?15:33
caitlin56bswartz: the potentially critical issue is the update of tenant specific DNS from tenant specific DHCP.15:33
caitlin56bswartz: otherwise it looked good.15:34
bswartzcaitlin56: it doesn't seem unreasonable to simply ignore DHCP and require that the tenant supplies the DNS server IP to us directly -- they must supply the other parameters in any case15:34
caitlin56The issue is registering dynamic IP addresses with the DNS server within the tenant network. You can work around giving the DNS server IP addresses out via manila.15:35
bswartzif what jcorbin says is accurate, then neutron maintains control of the DHCP infrastructure, and must have ways to reserve certain IPs as static15:36
caitlin56But telling customers that they have to enter every address given out by neutron in their DNS server will not get favorable responses.15:36
bswartzcaitlin56: that's not at all what I'm suggesting15:37
bswartzI think it will be clearer when we have some working code15:37
bswartzwe can keep the discussion going on the BP15:37
bswartzand follow up on this next week15:37
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bswartzon to more urgent stuff:15:37
bswartz#topic conference15:37
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bswartzso people have been asking what kind of meetings we might have in HK15:38
bswartzI still plan to do an unconference session, but I have another idea too15:38
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bswartzsince the main goal of the meeting is just to get to know eachother on this new project, we should have a social meeting15:39
bswartzI'm proposing something around 5-6:30PM15:39
bswartzon tuesday15:39
bswartzmaybe 5:30-7PM (depending on when the sessions wrap up)15:40
bswartzwe can reserve some space and I'll send out the location15:40
bswartzI'd need you all to RSVP so I know how much space is needed15:40
bswartzplease RSVP to bswartz@netapp.com15:40
bswartzI'll send out email reminders in case anyone misses this meeting15:40
bswartzhow does that sound?15:41
eskerbswartz:  what about a formal design summit session?15:41
bswartztuesday cocktail hour sound like a good time for a social gathering?15:41
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bswartzesker: out of the question until we're formally recognized as a project15:41
rushiagr+115:41
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caitlin56+115:42
bill_az_do you know when the unconference meeting(s) will be?15:42
bswartzbill_az_: I can't reserve a time/place until I'm standing in front of the whiteboard in HK -- that's how unconference sessions work15:43
bill_az_I'm not going to be in HK, but will have someone else - probably Avishay - attend15:43
kendurazzo+115:43
bswartzbill_az_: okay I'll make sure he's invited to everything we do15:43
bill_az_bswartz:  thanks15:43
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bswartzokay so 5pm-6:30pm tuesday is the plan -- we'll get a space large enough to accomdate the folks who RSVP15:44
bswartzadditionally I'll do an unconference session at a time that doesn't conflict w/ cinder or nova/neutron storage related meetings15:45
bswartz#topic open discussion15:45
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bswartzanything else to bring up?15:45
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rushiagrany progress on the incubation request?15:45
bswartzwe're just 12 days away from teh conference15:45
rushiagror is this already discussed?15:46
bswartzrushiagr: read the logs :-(15:46
bswartzshort answer -- the decision is delayed another 4 weeks15:46
rushiagroh15:47
eskerrushiagr: due to a double-secret, undocumented requirement for incubation consideration15:47
rushiagr:(15:47
bswartzokay if no one has anything else we'll wrap up15:47
bswartz#endmeeting15:47
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rushiagrthats really sad :/15:47
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-24-15.00.log.html15:47
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eskerrushiagr: don't think it will ultimately matter much15:47
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rushiagresker: yea.. But we're waiting from so long...15:49
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eskerpatience young rushiagr...15:49
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rushiagractually bswartz's sad smiley shocked me.. to my relief, it was just delayed, not rejected15:50
rushiagresker: :)15:50
eskerit15:50
eskerrushiagr: hope to see you in HK15:50
eskerlater15:50
rushiagresker: you too! Thanks..15:51
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SergeyLukjanovsavanna team meeting will be here in 15 mins17:51
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SergeyLukjanovsavanna folks, are you around?18:02
NikitaKonovalovyep, o/18:03
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crobertsrhyep18:03
dmitrymeyep18:03
aignatov_hi18:03
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SergeyLukjanovok, let's start the meeting18:05
SergeyLukjanov#startmeeting savanna18:05
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 24 18:05:22 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:05
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SergeyLukjanov#topic Agenda18:05
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SergeyLukjanov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda18:05
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SergeyLukjanovnothing specific except design track schedule draft18:06
SergeyLukjanov#topic Action items from the last meeting18:06
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SergeyLukjanov#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-17-18.07.html18:06
SergeyLukjanovnope18:06
SergeyLukjanov#agenda Design summit update18:06
SergeyLukjanov#topic Design summit update18:06
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SergeyLukjanovhere is a draft schedule for design track18:07
SergeyLukjanovhttp://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna18:07
SergeyLukjanov#link http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna18:07
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SergeyLukjanovin addition I would like to say that I hope to cover refused topics too but in offline manier18:07
SergeyLukjanovmanner*18:07
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SergeyLukjanovany questions?18:08
SergeyLukjanovsuggestions?18:08
crobertsrhLooks pretty reasonable to me.18:08
ErikBthat sounds reasonable18:08
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SergeyLukjanovtopics to discuss offline18:10
aignatov_I see you merged allmost all proposed topics to only four, that's good decision :)18:10
SergeyLukjanovhttp://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21618:10
SergeyLukjanovhttp://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21518:10
SergeyLukjanovhttp://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21418:11
SergeyLukjanovhttp://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/15518:11
SergeyLukjanovhttp://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/15018:11
SergeyLukjanovany volunteers to collect retrospective and feedback?18:12
aignatov_ok, I'll do it18:13
SergeyLukjanovgreat, thx18:13
aignatov_put action item on me to collect feedback18:14
SergeyLukjanov#action aignatov_ to perform retrospective for all Savanna contributors and collect/aggregate feedback18:14
SergeyLukjanovthe next important thing is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21618:14
aignatov_I'll send all involved participants mails for feedback and then collect answeres18:14
SergeyLukjanovaignatov_, ok, sounds reasonable18:15
ruheI confirm, aignatov is master of retrospectives18:15
SergeyLukjanovagreed :)18:15
aignatov_hehe, ruhe18:15
SergeyLukjanovanyone would like to prepare plugins-related policy initial draft?18:16
dmitrymeSergeyLukjanov, could you clarify?18:17
ruheHW guys went through all the stages of plugin creation. would be great if they describe this process and requirements18:18
SergeyLukjanovsearching for example18:18
SergeyLukjanovyeah, the main goal is to describe deadlines and requirements18:18
ErikBI think we can help, but not sure what's meant by policy exactly. Is it related to: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21618:18
mattfyou know i'm game for writing a draft18:18
SergeyLukjanovCinder guys have the same doc18:18
aignatov_can you post a link on cinder's page?18:19
SergeyLukjanovErikB, yep, maybe policy isn't the best wording18:19
mattfErikB, it's about how we should handle plugins as they show up, making sure we have stable software that's easy to use and a strong community18:19
ErikBmattf, ok18:20
mattfpolicy is an ok word. maybe ErikB and i should tag team a draft.18:20
aignatov_is it something related plugin spi as well?18:20
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mattfaignatov_, i would expect so18:20
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SergeyLukjanovok, so, I'll add action item for mattf and ErikB18:21
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SergeyLukjanov#action mattf, ErikB to prepare initial draft for "plugins policy" http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21618:21
aignatov_ok, so we just need to extend that page or create something new?18:21
SergeyLukjanovaignatov_, create a new one with deadlines for applying plugins and etc.18:22
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SergeyLukjanovcan't find the cinder's page18:22
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aignatov_ok, no prob, I will find it later18:22
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SergeyLukjanovand one more time link to the design track session - http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna18:23
SergeyLukjanovsessions*18:24
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SergeyLukjanovthe next item is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21418:25
SergeyLukjanov"What are our supported guests?"18:25
SergeyLukjanovIMO we should clarify supported guests and create support matrix for features in case of some are OS-depended18:26
SergeyLukjanovmattf, could we use RHEL now?18:26
ErikBI would think that this would be plugin specific.18:26
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SergeyLukjanovErikB, absolutely18:27
SergeyLukjanovbut we have some common requirements, for example, cloud-init18:27
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ErikBright18:27
SergeyLukjanovit should be documented too18:27
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aignatov_do we need to describe requirements from EDP as well there?18:27
dmitrymeI think yes, maybe in a separate section18:28
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SergeyLukjanovlooks like it'll be better to write an additional doc for it18:28
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aignatov_or is it related to previous proposal of "plugins policy"?18:28
SergeyLukjanovto make it easier for plugin writers to understand requirements18:28
SergeyLukjanovaignatov_, it's the third doc ;)18:28
aignatov_ok18:29
SergeyLukjanovmattf, are you around?18:29
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SergeyLukjanovany volunteers for "What are our supported guests?"18:29
mattfSergeyLukjanov, high level interrupt here, back in a bit18:30
SergeyLukjanovok18:30
SergeyLukjanovany volunteers for "EDP requirements"?18:30
SergeyLukjanovaignatov_, tmckay?18:30
aignatov_I can, but not sure if I'll do it for the next meeting18:31
dmitrymeI can compose a doc for supported guests18:31
dmitryme* but not for EDP18:31
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tmckayhere18:31
ruhewhat about swift/cluster/ceph requirements?18:31
aignatov_I meant EDP section, Dmitry18:32
dmitrymeor at least I will need to ask aignatov or tmckay for detail18:32
ruhe*gluster18:32
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, could you please write a doc about EDP requirements?18:32
dmitrymeruhe: am, they don't seem to be related to guests, or are they?18:33
aignatov_what do you mean about requirements for FSs?18:33
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tmckaySergeyLukjanov, what kind of requirements?18:33
SergeyLukjanovI mean which processes and services should be installed/configured to support EDP?18:33
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SergeyLukjanovEDP*18:33
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tmckayokay, sure18:33
SergeyLukjanovdmitryme, great, thx, I'll add action item for you and mattf to clarify RHEL support18:34
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, thx18:34
mattfback18:34
ruheplugins have to support swift. we need to outline this requirement. what is expected from plugin18:34
SergeyLukjanov#action dmitryme to write "What are our supported guests?" (http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214)18:35
ruheeventually we will add ceph and gluster support18:35
SergeyLukjanovmattf, could you, please, help dmitryme to clarify RHEL guest support18:35
mattfSergeyLukjanov, supported guests - what guest images do we provide to the community in a release (ubuntu & fedora atm) and what is needed if someone wanted to also do debian/centos/rhel/other, which has tie in to plugin requirements on images.18:35
aignatov_ceph support: http://ceph.com/docs/next/cephfs/hadoop/18:36
SergeyLukjanovmattf, agreed18:36
SergeyLukjanov#undo18:36
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SergeyLukjanov#action dmitryme and mattf to write "What are our supported guests?" (http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214)18:36
SergeyLukjanov#action tmckay to write a doc about EDP requirements18:36
* mattf gets a phone call and apparently collects a bunch of actions, yay18:37
SergeyLukjanovokay, looks like all main topics are covered now18:37
SergeyLukjanovthe last interesting one "Let's coordinate our performance evaluations"18:37
jmaron1mattf:  I understand it's a long plane ride ;)18:37
mattfargh18:38
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mattfo/18:38
SergeyLukjanovmattf :)18:38
mattfsounds to me like at least 3 groups of people are working on some aspect of performance & savanna18:38
mattffrom the service interfaces itself and scale, to ability to provision, to performance of running clusters18:39
mattfi'd like us to do some coordination on ^^18:39
mattfi'll throw my name in the hat to help organize18:39
ErikBsure, we have *some* information that we can share, depending on what we are looking for...18:40
mattfthat's also something we should work out. some of the data is relevant for specific product offerings, some is relevant to the community. we should figure out how to handle that.18:41
akuznetsovmattf we starting investigate Savanna performance  on large scale18:41
SergeyLukjanov#action mattf to collect info about savanna performance testing and try to coordinate our efforts18:41
mattfoh, i'd like that action to include other folks who are doing perf eval atm18:42
mattfi'll coordinate, but i need folks who i'm coordinating with18:42
ErikBme18:42
mattf+118:42
mattfakuznetsov, you?18:43
akuznetsovmattf yes18:43
mattf+118:43
mattfanyone else?18:43
jmaron1I imagine that beyond just perf data, there may be some perf recommendations as part of the effort (e.g. approach to spawning a large cluster)?18:44
mattfthat's a good thought. maybe good params for config to how to use cinder or swift...18:44
mattfthere are a bunch of possible recommendations the group could make18:45
mattfpossibilities abound!18:45
jmaron1:)18:45
mattfSergeyLukjanov, will you add ErikB and akuznetsov to the action w/ me?18:45
akuznetsovI think we can add Savanna benchmark to Rally project18:45
SergeyLukjanovmattf, sure18:45
SergeyLukjanov#undo18:45
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mattfakuznetsov, nice idea18:45
SergeyLukjanov#action mattf ErikB akuznetsov to collect info about savanna performance testing and try to coordinate our efforts18:45
mattfdanke18:46
SergeyLukjanovok, let's move on18:47
SergeyLukjanov#topic News / updates18:47
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SergeyLukjanovfolks, please18:47
SergeyLukjanovany updates or news?18:48
ErikBNothing much this week. Working on a few major merges by the team (Quantum support and additional component support)18:49
crobertsrhI've been mostly fixing small bugs and poking around the interface finding targets for improvement.18:49
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mattfi've been revving the RDO packages to make sure they run smoothly18:50
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, do you want add smth UI-related to design track?18:50
mattf...and discovering some fun things along the way, such as os_auth_host needs to be accessible from w/i instances18:50
SergeyLukjanovor discuss offline18:50
jmaron1thanks to reviewers for quantum support reviews.  you've been keeping me busy ;)18:50
crobertsrhOffline is probably fine.18:50
mattfjmaron1, is that getting close? i've been waiting for it to slow down a bit before reading through completely18:51
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jmaron1it is.  trying to do some more clever caching of HTTP sessions and some code cleanup18:51
mattfgreat18:52
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SergeyLukjanovany other news/updates?18:53
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SergeyLukjanovbtw stable/0.3 is open now for backporting some stuff that we would like to land into the 0.3.1 release18:53
SergeyLukjanovok, let's move on18:54
SergeyLukjanov#topic General discussion18:54
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SergeyLukjanovany things to discuss?18:54
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mattfnothing here18:55
SergeyLukjanovok18:55
SergeyLukjanov1 more min and I'll end the meeting18:55
SergeyLukjanovbtw I'll cancel Nov 7 meetin18:56
SergeyLukjanovdue to the OpenStack summit18:56
mattf+118:56
SergeyLukjanovit'll be at 2am in HKG :)18:56
SergeyLukjanov15 hours ahead from CA18:57
SergeyLukjanovok, looks like that's all for today18:58
SergeyLukjanovthank you guys18:58
SergeyLukjanov#info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions18:59
SergeyLukjanov#endmeeting18:59
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