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iccha | hola | 14:00 |
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rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
markwash | hi hi | 14:01 |
esheffield | o/ | 14:01 |
hemanth | \o | 14:01 |
bugsduggan | \o | 14:01 |
flwang | o/ | 14:02 |
markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 24 14:02:43 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:02 |
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markwash | sorry for the delay, doing some last minute agenda editiing | 14:03 |
markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
markwash | Anybody here who doesn't see their item in the agenda, feel free to add it now | 14:04 |
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markwash | let's get started | 14:04 |
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markwash | #topic project status meeting updates | 14:05 |
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markwash | well, this was short this week, all I think we did was talk about summit scheduling | 14:05 |
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markwash | which is an item further on in the list, so yeah | 14:06 |
markwash | #topic broken tests in master | 14:06 |
*** openstack changes topic to "broken tests in master (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:06 | |
markwash | I think most people here are familiar by now, the iso8601 datetime parsing changed a bit between 0.1.4 and 0.1.8 (the next okay release) | 14:07 |
markwash | nikhil|afk and zhiyan1 were getting after it, but we didn't end up getting much help from openstack/requirements | 14:08 |
markwash | I sent out this | 14:09 |
markwash | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/017302.html | 14:09 |
markwash | seems like consensus there was that we should just update to 0.1.8 across the board | 14:09 |
zhiyan1 | markwash: global requirement has been merged | 14:09 |
zhiyan1 | >=0.1.8 | 14:09 |
markwash | oh, hurray | 14:10 |
markwash | late breaking news | 14:10 |
iccha | lol | 14:10 |
zhiyan1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53567 | 14:11 |
markwash | we had so many different patches submitted, I didn't realize :-) | 14:11 |
markwash | I just abandoned mine | 14:11 |
markwash | okay great, so the glance patch needed is. . . | 14:11 |
flwang | zhiyan1 has submit a patch to remove the broken test case | 14:12 |
zhiyan1 | flwang: sorry i have not remove them, but enhance them | 14:12 |
markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52894/8 | 14:13 |
flwang | zhiyan1: I mean the '2011-09-05' case | 14:13 |
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markwash | okay, let's see if we can get that fixed up and in today | 14:13 |
zhiyan1 | flwang: my first case does that YYYY-MM-DD | 14:14 |
markwash | is there anything else to talk about for that issue here today? | 14:14 |
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flwang | zhiyan1: ok, got | 14:14 |
markwash | okay, moving on | 14:15 |
markwash | #topic design summit sessions | 14:15 |
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markwash | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 14:15 |
markwash | I did a run through last night approving, rejecting, and adding comments about merging topics | 14:15 |
markwash | but I think maybe the comments are not readable by an anonymous user? | 14:16 |
markwash | If you have feedback about my selections, please share it, either here or privately later if you prefer | 14:18 |
markwash | questions about the summit? | 14:18 |
zhiyan1 | markwash: btw, if i have clear bp in mind but not proposed to session, i ok? | 14:19 |
markwash | zhiyan1: can you clarify that? you have a bp, but no session for it? | 14:19 |
zhiyan1 | i mean we don't need discuss all bp plan in the session .. just make sure, and i don discuss that with you directly later.. | 14:20 |
markwash | right, we don't necessarily have to discuss every icehouse bp in the summit | 14:20 |
zhiyan1 | s/don/will , sorry | 14:20 |
markwash | some sessions were (gently) refused because I didn't think we were likely to have any fight about the idea | 14:21 |
iccha | markwash: how many slots do we have? | 14:21 |
markwash | iccha: 5 | 14:21 |
markwash | so there were several great proposals for stuff that needs to follow on the async and import work | 14:21 |
markwash | and most of the time I just said "I think everyone is mostly on the same page, let's just follow up on <issue x> in meetings and on the mailing list." | 14:22 |
zhiyan1 | (thinking, can i have ~10 mins for "indexing" async work? ) | 14:22 |
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markwash | zhiyan1: at the summit? or here today? | 14:23 |
zhiyan1 | summit | 14:23 |
zhiyan1 | ..within import work | 14:23 |
markwash | zhiyan1: I'm not sure, I don't see a great fit with the existing approved talks | 14:24 |
markwash | zhiyan1: but I think we'd all like to hear about it | 14:24 |
markwash | keep in mind, a lot of glance core actually won't be at the summit | 14:24 |
zhiyan1 | yes, we can talk off line after session if you and nikhil|afk like | 14:24 |
markwash | so it might be more useful overall to try to bring it up in a different forum | 14:24 |
esheffield | l | 14:24 |
iccha | we have 5 in preapproved state, so looks like we re in good shape. | 14:24 |
markwash | okay, I think we can move on to the next topic | 14:25 |
markwash | #topic taskflow | 14:25 |
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markwash | harlowja had the time to sit down and school me about taskflow this past week | 14:25 |
markwash | I think, given its traction with other projects and its similarity with what we're trying to accomplish, it makes a lot of sense to use | 14:26 |
markwash | I was a bit hesitant before | 14:26 |
markwash | I think the question for us is, to what extent can we integrate in Icehouse | 14:26 |
iccha | what were the main take aways from the conversation? | 14:26 |
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markwash | the main takeaway was that there are rather 3 levels of integration that might make sense | 14:27 |
markwash | 1) just breaking up and defining the work to be done as tasks and flows, similar to what cinder has right now | 14:27 |
markwash | 2) actually using an engine to construct the flows | 14:27 |
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markwash | 3) something complicated that i don't remember… maybe having the flows be more portable to deal with machine failures? | 14:27 |
markwash | it seemed like the question for us for Icehouse was, #1 or #2? | 14:27 |
markwash | I think at #2, we might expect that the engines to more or less replace our executor code | 14:28 |
zhiyan1 | markwash: cool. saw your message with harlowja, so seems you(s) plan not implement worker in glance internal, at stage 2, just waiting taskflow implement 'RPC worker/engine' part in I, and we focus on stage 1, right? | 14:28 |
rosmaita | markwash: what are the deployment expectations with taskflow? | 14:28 |
rosmaita | would it live on glance node? | 14:29 |
markwash | zhiyan1: I think its still an important question, whether we implement a worker or just use an RPC engine | 14:29 |
zhiyan1 | iirc 3) is "job posting" mechanism | 14:29 |
markwash | zhiyan1: and probably depends as much on the timing as anything | 14:29 |
markwash | rosmaita: I think the deployment expectations are the same | 14:29 |
markwash | rosmaita: i.e. the deployer has the option to have the work done either on the api node (like our eventlet model before) or remotely on a pool of worker nodes | 14:30 |
rosmaita | ok | 14:30 |
markwash | rosmaita: does that agree with your understanding of it / concerns? | 14:30 |
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zhiyan1 | markwash: ok (i have a topic for that, we can discuss glance-worker on session) | 14:31 |
rosmaita | my concern is mainly not requiring something too heavy-duty as part of glance deployment | 14:31 |
iccha | +1 | 14:31 |
markwash | I don't want this taskflow thing to be a disruptor in our current work, so let me know if that's seeming to be the case | 14:32 |
rosmaita | i am worried about building too long a dependency chain on incubating projects | 14:32 |
iccha | if we decide to use it , it should be pluggable | 14:32 |
markwash | re: heavy duty, I think we're going to be okay there as long as we're just using it to define the task scripts | 14:32 |
iccha | not a required dependency | 14:32 |
markwash | iccha: that makes sense to me for the engines, but not as much for the simpler case of script definition | 14:33 |
markwash | if you're just doing step #1 above, its very lightweight in a deployment and dependency sense | 14:33 |
iccha | ok gotcha.. i need to do more homework on taskflow | 14:33 |
markwash | #link https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/flows/create_volume/__init__.py | 14:34 |
markwash | ^^ might help | 14:34 |
markwash | okay, other thoughts on taskflow | 14:34 |
markwash | again, I don't want this to be seen as moving the target for our current work | 14:34 |
iccha | thanks markwash | 14:34 |
markwash | so if it is, let's pull back and make sure taskflow isn't disrupting our plans | 14:35 |
rosmaita | i think it's important to get import task done, then revisit taskflow | 14:35 |
rosmaita | once we see an actual workflow in actino | 14:36 |
markwash | rosmaita: hmm, okay. . but I think we should keep it in mind becuase it might actually make the import script coding part easier and faster to do from where we are now | 14:37 |
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markwash | at least when we start to look at doing the more complex parts (i.e. plugins for conversion / validation / etc) | 14:37 |
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markwash | but yeah, if we need to move ahead without taskflow and revisit it later in the cycle I'm fine with taht | 14:38 |
zhiyan1 | markwash: actually rosmaita's message ask me remember my question 1 and 2 within http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/016917.html | 14:38 |
zhiyan1 | markwash: ... they are pending still after our last discussing.. humm | 14:39 |
markwash | zhiyan1: yes, I'm not sure I'm ready to follow up on that. . I still feel generally that we should not allow plugins to define new task types | 14:39 |
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markwash | because it seems too diffusive, I want different deployments to feel the same | 14:40 |
zhiyan1 | let's talk this off line... seems it need more time. | 14:40 |
markwash | okay, moving on | 14:40 |
markwash | #topic async workers | 14:40 |
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zhiyan1 | markwash: make a action between us? | 14:40 |
markwash | I keep looking for stuff to review, but its always based on an outdated patch | 14:41 |
markwash | am I just bad at finding the right review? | 14:41 |
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markwash | zhiyan1: I'm not sure exactly what I would put in the action item | 14:42 |
flwang | markwash: I think you can start from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43842/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46224/ :) | 14:42 |
markwash | flwang thanks! | 14:43 |
markwash | any other quick things to note about async workers progress? I think we've mostly been blocked at the gate this week :-( | 14:43 |
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markwash | okay | 14:44 |
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markwash | #topic doc review | 14:45 |
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markwash | rosmaita is this your item? | 14:45 |
markwash | I get a 404 on the link :-( | 14:45 |
markwash | I think maybe the last number was clipped somehow | 14:45 |
rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51704 | 14:45 |
rosmaita | sorry about that, chief! | 14:46 |
markwash | good ol gate-noop | 14:46 |
markwash | no worries | 14:46 |
markwash | folks: have a look at that review, I will too | 14:46 |
markwash | rosmaita: anything else to cover other than a shout out for review? | 14:46 |
rosmaita | not from me | 14:47 |
markwash | #topic tasks authorization layer | 14:47 |
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markwash | hmm, I think nikhil|afk suggested this? but is still afk | 14:47 |
iccha | I think that is soemthing we can consider for glance as a whole, not necessarily just tasks | 14:48 |
markwash | ah, okay | 14:49 |
iccha | but I am not sure how that review comes into picture. | 14:49 |
zhiyan1 | iirc iccha yesterday give some great response to explain why we need this layer ... | 14:49 |
markwash | I thought so too | 14:49 |
iccha | maybe nikhil|afk had something else in mind wrt review, I am not sure | 14:49 |
markwash | let's table it for now | 14:50 |
markwash | #topic open discussion | 14:50 |
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markwash | I finallly proposed a session about v1 | 14:51 |
markwash | please let me know if you think its a dud and I should let some other talk take the space | 14:51 |
iccha | if some cross project talks come up we can consider, otherwise I think its ok because most ppl still use v1 | 14:52 |
zhiyan1 | markwash: after fast glance, IMO v1 is useful, since some function only be supported by v1 but v2.. | 14:53 |
iccha | I agree till we have import and export we may wanna keep it around | 14:53 |
zhiyan1 | i mean this topic is valuable probably, we can talk details on the session | 14:53 |
markwash | zhiyan1: well a main thing I would like to stop doing is implementing new functionality both the right way (in a code library like the domain) and the wrong way (in the v1 controller) | 14:54 |
iccha | +1 | 14:54 |
iccha | just makes v1 clunkier | 14:54 |
iccha | if clunkier is a word :p | 14:54 |
markwash | +1 | 14:54 |
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zhiyan1 | freeze v1, +1 | 14:54 |
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markwash | zhiyan1: yeah, freeze is a good option to consider, good point | 14:54 |
flwang | +1 to avoid dup work anymore | 14:55 |
flwang | btw, when the glance client will use v2 as the default? | 14:55 |
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markwash | hmm good question | 14:56 |
markwash | oh I forgot to talk about glanceclient (which I of course neglected to release again :-() | 14:56 |
zhiyan1 | iccha: btw "clunkier" ? | 14:56 |
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flwang | I think before we let other components using v2, we should eat the dog food by ourself :) | 14:57 |
iccha | zhiyan1: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clunkier | 14:57 |
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markwash | okay, time for me to get some breakfast | 14:58 |
markwash | thanks folks | 14:58 |
markwash | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 24 14:58:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-24-14.02.html | 14:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-24-14.02.txt | 14:58 |
iccha | thanks markwash | 14:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-10-24-14.02.log.html | 14:58 |
zhiyan1 | thank you guys | 14:58 |
rosmaita | bye! | 14:58 |
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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 24 15:00:56 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaMeetings | 15:01 |
vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
caitlin56 | hi | 15:01 |
gregsfortytwo | hi | 15:02 |
bswartz | first thing I have some news | 15:02 |
bswartz | I talked to ttx and the TC has not taken up our request for incubation yet | 15:02 |
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bswartz | it would seem that I'm supposed to go to the TC meeting and defend the proposal | 15:02 |
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bswartz | it's been put on the calendar for Nov 19 (4 weeks away) due to the conference | 15:03 |
bswartz | so this is disappointing | 15:03 |
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vbellur | bswartz: yeah | 15:03 |
bswartz | the "show up and defend your propsal" step was not documented | 15:03 |
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caitlin56 | IRC meeting? Phone conference? or physical? | 15:03 |
bswartz | IRC meeting | 15:03 |
bswartz | the TC meetings are like all of these meetings, Tueday at 2000 UTC | 15:04 |
caitlin56 | Are "friends of the project" encouraged/allowed? | 15:04 |
bswartz | I think they're open to the public | 15:04 |
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bill_az_ | sorry I'm late - this is about the incubation request ? | 15:04 |
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bswartz | bill_az_: yes, it's been delayed again | 15:05 |
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bswartz | anyways this gives us more time to lobby behind the scenes -- nothing we can do about the date I don't think, esp w/ the conf coming up so soon | 15:06 |
bill_az_ | those in HK can still lobby for the project there | 15:06 |
bswartz | yes | 15:06 |
bswartz | anyways that's all I have in the way of news | 15:06 |
bswartz | #topic status | 15:06 |
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bswartz | yportnova: you here? | 15:07 |
vponomaryov | yulia is absent today, so I would inform about progress | 15:07 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: do you have anything? | 15:07 |
bswartz | okay | 15:07 |
vponomaryov | Implementation of Neutron API - in progress (will upload patch no longer than Monday 28.10) | 15:07 |
vponomaryov | 2) Implementation of generic neutron vif driver - in progress - as soon as we want to launch LXC containers on host - we need to provide connectivity to tenant private network like Nova does for VMs. The easier way - copy generic vif driver from Nova nova.virt.libvirt.vif.LibvirtGenericVIFDriver in case of using libvirt for managing LXC container. | 15:08 |
vponomaryov | 3) Implementation of LXC driver - in progress - There is a possibility launching LXC conainers without image - but using hypervisor directly, not libvirt. | 15:08 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: I'm confused about (3) | 15:09 |
navneet | libvirt gives an api layer for diff hypervisors | 15:09 |
caitlin56 | Can the APIs support launching on the server end without having an actual hypervisor? | 15:09 |
vponomaryov | and plan is to finish LXC driver and networking | 15:09 |
bswartz | libvirt won't allow creating of LXC containers without an image? | 15:09 |
navneet | bswartz: api should e uniform | 15:10 |
aostapenko | Hi, we discovered an ability to use lxc sharing 1 filesystem with libvirt. it's ok | 15:10 |
aostapenko | hosts filesystem | 15:10 |
vponomaryov | about 3) AFAIK, without image we can create container and than use it with libvirt | 15:10 |
vponomaryov | create container with LXC | 15:11 |
caitlin56 | LXC strikes me as a very reasonable approach to doing a vserver for a Linux file server. But not all of us have Linux fileservers. | 15:11 |
bswartz | yes the whole goal here is to provide tenant isolation using linux containers, without going for full virtualization | 15:11 |
bswartz | caitlin56: this is specific to the so-called "LVM driver" for manila | 15:11 |
navneet | bswartz: I guess we should rethink on it | 15:12 |
caitlin56 | bswartz: that's fine, but we need to identify this issue for nova team -- and the earlier the better. | 15:12 |
bswartz | what? what does nova have to do w/ it? | 15:13 |
bswartz | It's pretty clear how we can implement a NetApp backend for CIFS/NFS using the proposed model | 15:13 |
caitlin56 | Will nova tell the backend to add a VNIC (for a vServer) even if the actual server has no hypervisor? | 15:13 |
bswartz | the main things were trying to get into the codeline are the client APIs to setup the network, and an generic implementation that runs on Linux which we're calling the "LVM driver" | 15:13 |
aostapenko | no. we want to copy functionality from nova. not using nova | 15:14 |
caitlin56 | And what I think was just explained is that the LVM Driver can use LXC so that nova is launching a container rather than a full VM. | 15:14 |
bswartz | caitlin56: the interaction should be between manila and neutron directly | 15:15 |
bswartz | I don't see a reason to add any dependency on nova | 15:15 |
navneet | bswartz: suggest u include name...confused which point u addressing | 15:15 |
kendurazzo | Do we need to think about Windows Servers? | 15:15 |
kendurazzo | or just keep it simple at first with one OS? | 15:15 |
bswartz | kendurazzo: we can provide CIFS support using samba inside LXC | 15:16 |
caitlin56 | bswartz: so , does our research show that we can tell neutron to provision a VNIC on a baremetal server without relying on a hypervisor? | 15:16 |
bswartz | if someone wants to run manila on Windows they will need to use a different driver | 15:16 |
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bswartz | caitlin56: yes it should be possible | 15:17 |
bswartz | I have yet to see a working prototype however | 15:17 |
caitlin56 | bswartz: on the Windows issue. The difference between Manila and Cinder is that Manila needs code in the guest itself, correct? Because hypervisor have not defined virt-file-system. | 15:18 |
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bswartz | aostapenko/vponomaryov: any word on when we might have a prototype of the code that interacts with neutron to adds a new "virtual NIC" on a physical interface? | 15:18 |
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bswartz | caitlin56: that's the difference between the LVM drivers for the two projects | 15:19 |
bswartz | the cinder LVM driver is simple and straightforward | 15:19 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: Info from yulia is next: Implementation of Neutron API is in progress (will upload patch no longer than Monday 28.10) | 15:20 |
bswartz | the manila LVM driver will be more code in order to support multi-tenant | 15:20 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: cool | 15:20 |
bswartz | okay so we're gradually getting the issues sorted out | 15:21 |
bswartz | after HK I hope to quickly get aa referece implementation and some documentation to help others write backends | 15:21 |
bswartz | but first.... | 15:22 |
bswartz | #topic feedback on networking BP | 15:22 |
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bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/join-tenant-network | 15:22 |
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bswartz | there's been some discussion on this | 15:22 |
bswartz | caitlin56: can you elaborate on your DHCP concerns? | 15:23 |
bswartz | are you thinking that tenants might run their own DHCP inside their tenant network? | 15:23 |
bswartz | that seems odd when IP address assignment is handled by OpenStack | 15:23 |
caitlin56 | bswartz: basically, I am worried about disrupting existing tenant networks. | 15:24 |
caitlin56 | If a tenant is used to doing their network entirely through their DHCP server, we should let them run their tenant network that way. | 15:24 |
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bswartz | how well does multicast work inside a tenant network today? | 15:24 |
bswartz | in my experience multicast support is generally poor, but I haven't tried it w.r.t. openstack | 15:25 |
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caitlin56 | bswartz:thanks for the update after my temporary glitch there. | 15:26 |
caitlin56 | I think we need to clearly define the migration of a network to a tenant network, well probably neutron does. | 15:27 |
bswartz | I think that neutron should always be capable of assigning new IPs to a tenant network | 15:27 |
caitlin56 | But a file system is the type of thing where users may be used to having the DHCP server set the associated servers (AD/LDAP/DNS), and we need to provide a complete migration story. | 15:28 |
bswartz | I've never seen a case where neutron cedes control of IP address assignment to a tenant-owned DHCP server | 15:28 |
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caitlin56 | But you can confirm your IP address with a DHCP server and get the *rest* of your tenant config from it. | 15:28 |
esker | bswartz: I like to suggest asking a representative Neutron core team member to join these meetings | 15:28 |
kendurazzo | in a private cloud implementation, neutron would have to interact with existing DHCP services | 15:29 |
caitlin56 | esker: +1 | 15:29 |
bswartz | caitlin56: the DNS server configuration is key, but we can require them to supply it to manila, and manila can do the hard work from then on | 15:29 |
bswartz | jcorbin: are you there? | 15:29 |
jcorbin | bswartz: yes | 15:30 |
bswartz | jcorbin: are you on the neutron team? | 15:30 |
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jcorbin | bswartz: I am not a neutron core developer. I follow the team. I am still coming up to speed. | 15:30 |
rushiagr | sry, late | 15:30 |
rushiagr | hi all! | 15:30 |
bswartz | we have some questions about the exact workings of IP address assignment in neutron | 15:31 |
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bswartz | maybe we need to take an AI to figure this out in the coming week | 15:31 |
bswartz | unless you happen to know the answers | 15:31 |
jcorbin | bswartz: I would have to investigate. I have not looked into IP assignments. | 15:31 |
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bswartz | jcorbin: do you know if neutron has a mode where IP address assignment is owned by a tenant-controlled DHCP server? | 15:32 |
bswartz | we can table this until next week | 15:33 |
bswartz | it's an interesting concern, but I don't feel like it's a showstopper | 15:33 |
jcorbin | bswartz: Neutron will configure a DHCP server on each tenant network. I don't know what the options are for controlling this. There is also an extension to the Neutron API to send options to the DHCP server. | 15:33 |
bswartz | caitlin56: did you have any other issues w/ the proposal? | 15:33 |
caitlin56 | bswartz: the potentially critical issue is the update of tenant specific DNS from tenant specific DHCP. | 15:33 |
caitlin56 | bswartz: otherwise it looked good. | 15:34 |
bswartz | caitlin56: it doesn't seem unreasonable to simply ignore DHCP and require that the tenant supplies the DNS server IP to us directly -- they must supply the other parameters in any case | 15:34 |
caitlin56 | The issue is registering dynamic IP addresses with the DNS server within the tenant network. You can work around giving the DNS server IP addresses out via manila. | 15:35 |
bswartz | if what jcorbin says is accurate, then neutron maintains control of the DHCP infrastructure, and must have ways to reserve certain IPs as static | 15:36 |
caitlin56 | But telling customers that they have to enter every address given out by neutron in their DNS server will not get favorable responses. | 15:36 |
bswartz | caitlin56: that's not at all what I'm suggesting | 15:37 |
bswartz | I think it will be clearer when we have some working code | 15:37 |
bswartz | we can keep the discussion going on the BP | 15:37 |
bswartz | and follow up on this next week | 15:37 |
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bswartz | on to more urgent stuff: | 15:37 |
bswartz | #topic conference | 15:37 |
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bswartz | so people have been asking what kind of meetings we might have in HK | 15:38 |
bswartz | I still plan to do an unconference session, but I have another idea too | 15:38 |
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bswartz | since the main goal of the meeting is just to get to know eachother on this new project, we should have a social meeting | 15:39 |
bswartz | I'm proposing something around 5-6:30PM | 15:39 |
bswartz | on tuesday | 15:39 |
bswartz | maybe 5:30-7PM (depending on when the sessions wrap up) | 15:40 |
bswartz | we can reserve some space and I'll send out the location | 15:40 |
bswartz | I'd need you all to RSVP so I know how much space is needed | 15:40 |
bswartz | please RSVP to bswartz@netapp.com | 15:40 |
bswartz | I'll send out email reminders in case anyone misses this meeting | 15:40 |
bswartz | how does that sound? | 15:41 |
esker | bswartz: what about a formal design summit session? | 15:41 |
bswartz | tuesday cocktail hour sound like a good time for a social gathering? | 15:41 |
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bswartz | esker: out of the question until we're formally recognized as a project | 15:41 |
rushiagr | +1 | 15:41 |
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caitlin56 | +1 | 15:42 |
bill_az_ | do you know when the unconference meeting(s) will be? | 15:42 |
bswartz | bill_az_: I can't reserve a time/place until I'm standing in front of the whiteboard in HK -- that's how unconference sessions work | 15:43 |
bill_az_ | I'm not going to be in HK, but will have someone else - probably Avishay - attend | 15:43 |
kendurazzo | +1 | 15:43 |
bswartz | bill_az_: okay I'll make sure he's invited to everything we do | 15:43 |
bill_az_ | bswartz: thanks | 15:43 |
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bswartz | okay so 5pm-6:30pm tuesday is the plan -- we'll get a space large enough to accomdate the folks who RSVP | 15:44 |
bswartz | additionally I'll do an unconference session at a time that doesn't conflict w/ cinder or nova/neutron storage related meetings | 15:45 |
bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:45 |
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bswartz | anything else to bring up? | 15:45 |
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rushiagr | any progress on the incubation request? | 15:45 |
bswartz | we're just 12 days away from teh conference | 15:45 |
rushiagr | or is this already discussed? | 15:46 |
bswartz | rushiagr: read the logs :-( | 15:46 |
bswartz | short answer -- the decision is delayed another 4 weeks | 15:46 |
rushiagr | oh | 15:47 |
esker | rushiagr: due to a double-secret, undocumented requirement for incubation consideration | 15:47 |
rushiagr | :( | 15:47 |
bswartz | okay if no one has anything else we'll wrap up | 15:47 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 24 15:47:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-24-15.00.html | 15:47 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-24-15.00.txt | 15:47 |
rushiagr | thats really sad :/ | 15:47 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-10-24-15.00.log.html | 15:47 |
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esker | rushiagr: don't think it will ultimately matter much | 15:47 |
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rushiagr | esker: yea.. But we're waiting from so long... | 15:49 |
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esker | patience young rushiagr... | 15:49 |
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rushiagr | actually bswartz's sad smiley shocked me.. to my relief, it was just delayed, not rejected | 15:50 |
rushiagr | esker: :) | 15:50 |
esker | it | 15:50 |
esker | rushiagr: hope to see you in HK | 15:50 |
esker | later | 15:50 |
rushiagr | esker: you too! Thanks.. | 15:51 |
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SergeyLukjanov | savanna team meeting will be here in 15 mins | 17:51 |
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SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks, are you around? | 18:02 |
NikitaKonovalov | yep, o/ | 18:03 |
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crobertsrh | yep | 18:03 |
dmitryme | yep | 18:03 |
aignatov_ | hi | 18:03 |
jspeidel | hi | 18:04 |
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SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's start the meeting | 18:05 |
SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:05 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 24 18:05:22 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:05 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:05 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:05 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:05 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:05 |
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SergeyLukjanov | nothing specific except design track schedule draft | 18:06 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:06 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-17-18.07.html | 18:06 |
SergeyLukjanov | nope | 18:06 |
SergeyLukjanov | #agenda Design summit update | 18:06 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design summit update | 18:06 |
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SergeyLukjanov | here is a draft schedule for design track | 18:07 |
SergeyLukjanov | http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna | 18:07 |
SergeyLukjanov | #link http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna | 18:07 |
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SergeyLukjanov | in addition I would like to say that I hope to cover refused topics too but in offline manier | 18:07 |
SergeyLukjanov | manner* | 18:07 |
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SergeyLukjanov | any questions? | 18:08 |
SergeyLukjanov | suggestions? | 18:08 |
crobertsrh | Looks pretty reasonable to me. | 18:08 |
ErikB | that sounds reasonable | 18:08 |
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SergeyLukjanov | topics to discuss offline | 18:10 |
aignatov_ | I see you merged allmost all proposed topics to only four, that's good decision :) | 18:10 |
SergeyLukjanov | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/216 | 18:10 |
SergeyLukjanov | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/215 | 18:10 |
SergeyLukjanov | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214 | 18:11 |
SergeyLukjanov | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/155 | 18:11 |
SergeyLukjanov | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/150 | 18:11 |
SergeyLukjanov | any volunteers to collect retrospective and feedback? | 18:12 |
aignatov_ | ok, I'll do it | 18:13 |
SergeyLukjanov | great, thx | 18:13 |
aignatov_ | put action item on me to collect feedback | 18:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | #action aignatov_ to perform retrospective for all Savanna contributors and collect/aggregate feedback | 18:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | the next important thing is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/216 | 18:14 |
aignatov_ | I'll send all involved participants mails for feedback and then collect answeres | 18:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | aignatov_, ok, sounds reasonable | 18:15 |
ruhe | I confirm, aignatov is master of retrospectives | 18:15 |
SergeyLukjanov | agreed :) | 18:15 |
aignatov_ | hehe, ruhe | 18:15 |
SergeyLukjanov | anyone would like to prepare plugins-related policy initial draft? | 18:16 |
dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov, could you clarify? | 18:17 |
ruhe | HW guys went through all the stages of plugin creation. would be great if they describe this process and requirements | 18:18 |
SergeyLukjanov | searching for example | 18:18 |
SergeyLukjanov | yeah, the main goal is to describe deadlines and requirements | 18:18 |
ErikB | I think we can help, but not sure what's meant by policy exactly. Is it related to: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/216 | 18:18 |
mattf | you know i'm game for writing a draft | 18:18 |
SergeyLukjanov | Cinder guys have the same doc | 18:18 |
aignatov_ | can you post a link on cinder's page? | 18:19 |
SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, yep, maybe policy isn't the best wording | 18:19 |
mattf | ErikB, it's about how we should handle plugins as they show up, making sure we have stable software that's easy to use and a strong community | 18:19 |
ErikB | mattf, ok | 18:20 |
mattf | policy is an ok word. maybe ErikB and i should tag team a draft. | 18:20 |
aignatov_ | is it something related plugin spi as well? | 18:20 |
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mattf | aignatov_, i would expect so | 18:20 |
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SergeyLukjanov | ok, so, I'll add action item for mattf and ErikB | 18:21 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #action mattf, ErikB to prepare initial draft for "plugins policy" http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/216 | 18:21 |
aignatov_ | ok, so we just need to extend that page or create something new? | 18:21 |
SergeyLukjanov | aignatov_, create a new one with deadlines for applying plugins and etc. | 18:22 |
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SergeyLukjanov | can't find the cinder's page | 18:22 |
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aignatov_ | ok, no prob, I will find it later | 18:22 |
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SergeyLukjanov | and one more time link to the design track session - http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna | 18:23 |
SergeyLukjanov | sessions* | 18:24 |
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SergeyLukjanov | the next item is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214 | 18:25 |
SergeyLukjanov | "What are our supported guests?" | 18:25 |
SergeyLukjanov | IMO we should clarify supported guests and create support matrix for features in case of some are OS-depended | 18:26 |
SergeyLukjanov | mattf, could we use RHEL now? | 18:26 |
ErikB | I would think that this would be plugin specific. | 18:26 |
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SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, absolutely | 18:27 |
SergeyLukjanov | but we have some common requirements, for example, cloud-init | 18:27 |
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ErikB | right | 18:27 |
SergeyLukjanov | it should be documented too | 18:27 |
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aignatov_ | do we need to describe requirements from EDP as well there? | 18:27 |
dmitryme | I think yes, maybe in a separate section | 18:28 |
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SergeyLukjanov | looks like it'll be better to write an additional doc for it | 18:28 |
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aignatov_ | or is it related to previous proposal of "plugins policy"? | 18:28 |
SergeyLukjanov | to make it easier for plugin writers to understand requirements | 18:28 |
SergeyLukjanov | aignatov_, it's the third doc ;) | 18:28 |
aignatov_ | ok | 18:29 |
SergeyLukjanov | mattf, are you around? | 18:29 |
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SergeyLukjanov | any volunteers for "What are our supported guests?" | 18:29 |
mattf | SergeyLukjanov, high level interrupt here, back in a bit | 18:30 |
SergeyLukjanov | ok | 18:30 |
SergeyLukjanov | any volunteers for "EDP requirements"? | 18:30 |
SergeyLukjanov | aignatov_, tmckay? | 18:30 |
aignatov_ | I can, but not sure if I'll do it for the next meeting | 18:31 |
dmitryme | I can compose a doc for supported guests | 18:31 |
dmitryme | * but not for EDP | 18:31 |
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tmckay | here | 18:31 |
ruhe | what about swift/cluster/ceph requirements? | 18:31 |
aignatov_ | I meant EDP section, Dmitry | 18:32 |
dmitryme | or at least I will need to ask aignatov or tmckay for detail | 18:32 |
ruhe | *gluster | 18:32 |
SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, could you please write a doc about EDP requirements? | 18:32 |
dmitryme | ruhe: am, they don't seem to be related to guests, or are they? | 18:33 |
aignatov_ | what do you mean about requirements for FSs? | 18:33 |
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tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, what kind of requirements? | 18:33 |
SergeyLukjanov | I mean which processes and services should be installed/configured to support EDP? | 18:33 |
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SergeyLukjanov | EDP* | 18:33 |
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tmckay | okay, sure | 18:33 |
SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, great, thx, I'll add action item for you and mattf to clarify RHEL support | 18:34 |
SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, thx | 18:34 |
mattf | back | 18:34 |
ruhe | plugins have to support swift. we need to outline this requirement. what is expected from plugin | 18:34 |
SergeyLukjanov | #action dmitryme to write "What are our supported guests?" (http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214) | 18:35 |
ruhe | eventually we will add ceph and gluster support | 18:35 |
SergeyLukjanov | mattf, could you, please, help dmitryme to clarify RHEL guest support | 18:35 |
mattf | SergeyLukjanov, supported guests - what guest images do we provide to the community in a release (ubuntu & fedora atm) and what is needed if someone wanted to also do debian/centos/rhel/other, which has tie in to plugin requirements on images. | 18:35 |
aignatov_ | ceph support: http://ceph.com/docs/next/cephfs/hadoop/ | 18:36 |
SergeyLukjanov | mattf, agreed | 18:36 |
SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:36 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #action dmitryme and mattf to write "What are our supported guests?" (http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214) | 18:36 |
SergeyLukjanov | #action tmckay to write a doc about EDP requirements | 18:36 |
* mattf gets a phone call and apparently collects a bunch of actions, yay | 18:37 | |
SergeyLukjanov | okay, looks like all main topics are covered now | 18:37 |
SergeyLukjanov | the last interesting one "Let's coordinate our performance evaluations" | 18:37 |
jmaron1 | mattf: I understand it's a long plane ride ;) | 18:37 |
mattf | argh | 18:38 |
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mattf | o/ | 18:38 |
SergeyLukjanov | mattf :) | 18:38 |
mattf | sounds to me like at least 3 groups of people are working on some aspect of performance & savanna | 18:38 |
mattf | from the service interfaces itself and scale, to ability to provision, to performance of running clusters | 18:39 |
mattf | i'd like us to do some coordination on ^^ | 18:39 |
mattf | i'll throw my name in the hat to help organize | 18:39 |
ErikB | sure, we have *some* information that we can share, depending on what we are looking for... | 18:40 |
mattf | that's also something we should work out. some of the data is relevant for specific product offerings, some is relevant to the community. we should figure out how to handle that. | 18:41 |
akuznetsov | mattf we starting investigate Savanna performance on large scale | 18:41 |
SergeyLukjanov | #action mattf to collect info about savanna performance testing and try to coordinate our efforts | 18:41 |
mattf | oh, i'd like that action to include other folks who are doing perf eval atm | 18:42 |
mattf | i'll coordinate, but i need folks who i'm coordinating with | 18:42 |
ErikB | me | 18:42 |
mattf | +1 | 18:42 |
mattf | akuznetsov, you? | 18:43 |
akuznetsov | mattf yes | 18:43 |
mattf | +1 | 18:43 |
mattf | anyone else? | 18:43 |
jmaron1 | I imagine that beyond just perf data, there may be some perf recommendations as part of the effort (e.g. approach to spawning a large cluster)? | 18:44 |
mattf | that's a good thought. maybe good params for config to how to use cinder or swift... | 18:44 |
mattf | there are a bunch of possible recommendations the group could make | 18:45 |
mattf | possibilities abound! | 18:45 |
jmaron1 | :) | 18:45 |
mattf | SergeyLukjanov, will you add ErikB and akuznetsov to the action w/ me? | 18:45 |
akuznetsov | I think we can add Savanna benchmark to Rally project | 18:45 |
SergeyLukjanov | mattf, sure | 18:45 |
SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:45 |
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mattf | akuznetsov, nice idea | 18:45 |
SergeyLukjanov | #action mattf ErikB akuznetsov to collect info about savanna performance testing and try to coordinate our efforts | 18:45 |
mattf | danke | 18:46 |
SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:47 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:47 |
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SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:47 |
SergeyLukjanov | any updates or news? | 18:48 |
ErikB | Nothing much this week. Working on a few major merges by the team (Quantum support and additional component support) | 18:49 |
crobertsrh | I've been mostly fixing small bugs and poking around the interface finding targets for improvement. | 18:49 |
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mattf | i've been revving the RDO packages to make sure they run smoothly | 18:50 |
SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, do you want add smth UI-related to design track? | 18:50 |
mattf | ...and discovering some fun things along the way, such as os_auth_host needs to be accessible from w/i instances | 18:50 |
SergeyLukjanov | or discuss offline | 18:50 |
jmaron1 | thanks to reviewers for quantum support reviews. you've been keeping me busy ;) | 18:50 |
crobertsrh | Offline is probably fine. | 18:50 |
mattf | jmaron1, is that getting close? i've been waiting for it to slow down a bit before reading through completely | 18:51 |
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jmaron1 | it is. trying to do some more clever caching of HTTP sessions and some code cleanup | 18:51 |
mattf | great | 18:52 |
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SergeyLukjanov | any other news/updates? | 18:53 |
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SergeyLukjanov | btw stable/0.3 is open now for backporting some stuff that we would like to land into the 0.3.1 release | 18:53 |
SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:54 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic General discussion | 18:54 |
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SergeyLukjanov | any things to discuss? | 18:54 |
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mattf | nothing here | 18:55 |
SergeyLukjanov | ok | 18:55 |
SergeyLukjanov | 1 more min and I'll end the meeting | 18:55 |
SergeyLukjanov | btw I'll cancel Nov 7 meetin | 18:56 |
SergeyLukjanov | due to the OpenStack summit | 18:56 |
mattf | +1 | 18:56 |
SergeyLukjanov | it'll be at 2am in HKG :) | 18:56 |
SergeyLukjanov | 15 hours ahead from CA | 18:57 |
SergeyLukjanov | ok, looks like that's all for today | 18:58 |
SergeyLukjanov | thank you guys | 18:58 |
SergeyLukjanov | #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions | 18:59 |
SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 24 18:59:04 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-24-18.05.html | 18:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-24-18.05.txt | 18:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-24-18.05.log.html | 18:59 |
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