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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 23 01:35:14 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2013/test.2013-10-23-01.34.html | 01:35 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 23 17:01:49 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| kiall | Heya | 17:02 |
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| tsimmons | hi | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | hey | 17:02 |
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| vinod1 | hi | 17:02 |
| kiall | I've not had a chance to fully catchup on last week meeting, so I've asked mugsie to run this again | 17:02 |
| betsy | here | 17:02 |
| mugsie | we missing anyone? | 17:02 |
| vinod1 | artom? | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last week (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:03 | |
| kiall | (We've been travelling since last friday btw) | 17:03 |
| msisk | here, too. | 17:03 |
| mugsie | Search out any logging guidelines from other OpenStack projects (vinodmr) | 17:04 |
| betsy | Yeah? Any place exciting? | 17:04 |
| mugsie | northern ireland | 17:04 |
| vinod1 | I haven't been able to get to it. Will get it to it after about 2 weeks | 17:04 |
| mugsie | some of our team live up there, so we decided to visit | 17:04 |
| mugsie | vinod1: cool | 17:04 |
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| eankutse | eankutse | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #action Search out any logging guidelines from other OpenStack projects (vinodmr) - 2 weeks | 17:05 |
| * CaptTofu is here | 17:05 | |
| mugsie | Review HP's DEBUG level logs, increase anything generally useful to INFO or above (kiall) | 17:05 |
| kiall | Not had a chance with travelling+visitors :( | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #action Review HP's DEBUG level logs, increase anything generally useful to INFO or above (kiall) | 17:06 |
| mugsie | Update APIv2 Spec with proposed RRset/Record changes (kiall) | 17:06 |
| kiall | I've given a quick look over during our last log review, but nothing stood out | 17:06 |
| CaptTofu | all my fault :) | 17:06 |
| kiall | Same as above I'm afraid :( | 17:06 |
| mugsie | #action Update APIv2 Spec with proposed RRset/Record changes (kiall) | 17:06 |
| mugsie | MySQL BIND9 Docs (CaptTofu) | 17:06 |
| CaptTofu | need to update those been busy with travel. | 17:06 |
| mugsie | #action MySQL BIND9 Docs (CaptTofu) | 17:06 |
| mugsie | ok, so most (all?) of those have been pushed to future meetings | 17:07 |
| mugsie | and finally | 17:07 |
| mugsie | Update domain-import-export blueprint with pro's and con's of content types (artom) | 17:07 |
| kiall | Apologies - The whole HP DNS team has been travelling + meeting up for face to face time, so we've had little "real work" done over the last week! | 17:08 |
| mugsie | did people have a chance to look that over? | 17:08 |
| mugsie | or shall I push that on? | 17:08 |
| eankutse | Did not see updates to blueprint | 17:09 |
| tsimmons | I haven't looked. | 17:09 |
| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/domain-import-export | 17:09 |
| kiall | Yea, I'm personally in favor of using accept/content-type headers with /zones and /zones/{id} | 17:09 |
| kiall | rather than /zonefile/import and /zonefile/export.. | 17:09 |
| mugsie | eankutse: there was some editing in the whiteboard area, but not a major list | 17:10 |
| eankutse | k. I see it | 17:10 |
| mugsie | if people havent had a chance, i think we should push it on | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | #agreed | 17:11 |
| mugsie | #action Update domain-import-export blueprint with pro's and con's of content types (artom) | 17:11 |
| betsy | #agreed | 17:11 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Disscussion | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | artom: have any update on your change? | 17:11 |
| eankutse | I added a couple of questions to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Server_Pools | 17:12 |
| mugsie | most people have not had a chance to read the blueprint, so currently it is set to come up next week | 17:12 |
| mugsie | eankutse: cool, I havent seen them yet, so will look this week | 17:12 |
| eankutse | ok | 17:12 |
| mugsie | #action Review Server Pools questions (mugsie) | 17:13 |
| eankutse | I just added them about an hour ago | 17:13 |
| mugsie | ah, thats why I missed them then :) | 17:14 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:14 |
| mugsie | anything else? | 17:14 |
| eankutse | maybe we can take just one of the questions | 17:14 |
| eankutse | I'ii post it here | 17:14 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:14 |
| eankutse | In Phase2 & 3, Async Response (202 Accepted), the current planned implementation has a "Status" field added to the Domains and Records tables in Central that is updated based on the response from the backend. How do we go about returning details of Errors if operation failed for some reason? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Server_Pools#Questions | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | eankutse: the plan is to work like nova | 17:15 |
| mugsie | a GET /zone/record ... will show status = ERROR | 17:16 |
| mugsie | or ERROR-Schedualign / deleting etc | 17:16 |
| eankutse | how about details of the error? | 17:16 |
| betsy | Are details in the body? | 17:17 |
| kiall | eankutse: generally, if we accept the request, it should suceed | 17:17 |
| kiall | any errors are likely to be things that only the operator can fix | 17:17 |
| eankutse | but they need a hint on what caused the failure | 17:18 |
| eankutse | so | 17:18 |
| betsy | Right, so they would need to know details so they could know how to fix them | 17:18 |
| kiall | So, we could provide the user with lots of detail .. but it's beyond their control to fix.. | 17:18 |
| eankutse | ok. | 17:18 |
| artom | Surely the more information, the better? | 17:18 |
| artom | Without necessarily giving them stacktraces and such. | 17:19 |
| eankutse | So you mean that user errors (including validation errors) will have been caught before now? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | eankutse: yes | 17:19 |
| kiall | Ideally, all user-caused and user-fixable errors should be caught before accepting the request at all | 17:19 |
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| betsy | I didn't think that was true with saync calls | 17:19 |
| kiall | For example - Would you want nova to say "error scheduling vm - no capacity available" to end users? I'm guessing no :) | 17:19 |
| betsy | *async | 17:19 |
| kiall | It's also something an end user can't fix | 17:19 |
| mugsie | betsy: it is, we do all the checks to ensure it can be created before we put it in the queue to be created | 17:20 |
| mugsie | / updated / deleted /etc | 17:20 |
| mugsie | this just fits where the backend currently sits, after all the checks have been done | 17:20 |
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| vinod1 | What action can the user take after an error? The normal behavior on an error - especially one that you do not understand is to retry | 17:21 |
| betsy | Not if it's something like invalid domain name | 17:21 |
| vinod1 | So at least the error message should indicate what action the user can take - report the error to admins and wait for problem to be resolved? | 17:22 |
| mugsie | betsy: which would have returned a 400 error to the user | 17:22 |
| kiall | vinod1: correct, the user should retry. If a zone/record/etc makes it into an "ERROR" state, something has gone wrong that is outside of the users control. | 17:22 |
| betsy | But a 400 with detail -- invalid domain name | 17:22 |
| mugsie | vinod1: if you look at how nova reprts issues with cvreating instances, it only give a very basic indication of what happened | 17:22 |
| mugsie | betsy: yes | 17:22 |
| kiall | betsy: yea, the 400 with details happens before the request is accepted and placed into the async queue | 17:23 |
| vinod1 | In those kind of errors when you get into an error state - would a retry help? | 17:23 |
| mugsie | it could | 17:23 |
| mugsie | say if the backend had a failuer, and the quiry expired | 17:23 |
| mugsie | and then had to be retried | 17:23 |
| kiall | vinod1: that depends on the issue, say the async action is finally being run, and the database server is down.. It's going to fail and the zone will end up in an ERROR state. | 17:24 |
| kiall | Retrying, as an end user, makes sense here.. there waiting for your failover and/or staff to fix the DB (or whatever else is broken) | 17:24 |
| kiall | If the user provides bad input, that request will be rejected with a 400 containing some details, and will never make it into the queue at all | 17:25 |
| mugsie | eankutse: does that answer the question? | 17:26 |
| eankutse | hmmm…yes | 17:27 |
| mugsie | anything else, just chuck it into that question section | 17:27 |
| eankutse | Next one... | 17:27 |
| eankutse | In Phase2 & 3, Async Response (202 Accepted), we should consider returning Location Header that points to the URL of the resource (that is being created). The user can check the status of the operation using this | 17:27 |
| mugsie | eankutse: yeap, it should | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | i thought I documented it to say it did | 17:28 |
| mugsie | but it seems i didnt | 17:28 |
| eankutse | maybe I missed it. | 17:28 |
| mugsie | no, just checked, I never actually wrote it | 17:29 |
| mugsie | (sorry) | 17:29 |
| eankutse | I know we mentioned that the use will hvae to call GET /domain.id | 17:29 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:29 |
| eankutse | k. One more that is just remotely related... | 17:30 |
| eankutse | Not directly related to achieving Async but should we consider following recommendations from http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-compute/2/content/LinksReferences.html and add "self" and "bookmark" links in the final response body after the resource is available? | 17:30 |
| mugsie | i think we have that in the API v2 spec | 17:30 |
| eankutse | k. Cool :-) | 17:30 |
| mugsie | thaty all responces will have a links section with rel=self etc | 17:31 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:31 |
| mugsie | anything else from anyone? | 17:31 |
| mugsie | going once | 17:31 |
| eankutse | not for me | 17:31 |
| vinod1 | none from me | 17:32 |
| betsy | I'm good | 17:32 |
| tsimmons | I'm good. | 17:32 |
| kiall | Not from me :) | 17:32 |
| mugsie | cool, thanks everyone | 17:32 |
| eankutse | bye | 17:32 |
| artom | Wait, was that the call for open discussion? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | if you think of anything during the week just dump it on the agenda! | 17:32 |
| mugsie | yup :) | 17:33 |
| artom | Doh. | 17:33 |
| mugsie | have something? | 17:33 |
| artom | Two semi-related things. | 17:33 |
| mugsie | cool, go for it | 17:33 |
| artom | Does https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/multi-backend depend on pools? Or can it be started in parallel? | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | yup | 17:34 |
| kiall | multi-backend was more about writing changes to 2 backends at once | 17:34 |
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| artom | You answered 'yup' to an 'or' question - while logically that's sound, I need to know what half of the 'or' you're agreeing with ;) | 17:35 |
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| kiall | At HP, we write certain changes (create/delete zone) to multiple places.. | 17:35 |
| mugsie | artom: as it turns out i was wrong - yes, it can be started with out pools | 17:35 |
| kiall | The idea was for to take the code we have there, and make it generic enough to write changes to any 2 backends at once | 17:35 |
| eankutse | using one scheduler? | 17:36 |
| mugsie | this is independant of schedualers | 17:36 |
| mugsie | this is the same records being writen] | 17:37 |
| mugsie | to btoth backends | 17:37 |
| mugsie | both* | 17:37 |
| eankutse | k | 17:37 |
| kiall | eankutse: when a zone is created on HP Cloud, we create it in PowerDNS as usual, but ALSO need to create it at one of our partners | 17:37 |
| eankutse | ok | 17:37 |
| tsimmons | So essentially sending a duplicate message to two different places? | 17:38 |
| mugsie | tsimmons: yes | 17:38 |
| artom | I might pick up that bp, pending discussions around here. But good to know it can happen before pools. | 17:38 |
| mugsie | artom: cool. | 17:38 |
| mugsie | you had a second thing artom? | 17:39 |
| artom | Second thing: a NSD-slave backend that depends on 1. multiple backends and 2. a PowerDNS backend | 17:39 |
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| artom | The idea would be that the NSD-slave backend would only send remote control commands to a NSD server that would then AXFR from the PowerDNS server. | 17:40 |
| artom | So it would be a mutant backend that doesn't actually store anything, and depends on another backend. | 17:40 |
| artom | Would that be acceptable? | 17:40 |
| mugsie | yeah, log a blueprint for it | 17:41 |
| artom | Ah, right, so discussion can take place there. | 17:41 |
| kiall | Yea - I think that needs some thought :) | 17:42 |
| mugsie | well, just so the detaisl can be knocked out beter# | 17:42 |
| mugsie | details | 17:42 |
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| mugsie | can't type today :( | 17:42 |
| mugsie | but in general, sounds grand | 17:42 |
| artom | Sure, grand :) | 17:43 |
| mugsie | we good to finish up everyone? | 17:43 |
| * artom is good. | 17:43 | |
| mugsie | thanks everyone! | 17:44 |
| eankutse | thx | 17:44 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 23 17:44:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-10-23-17.01.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-10-23-17.01.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-10-23-17.01.log.html | 17:44 |
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| cp16net | buller? | 20:00 |
| cweid | o/ | 20:01 |
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| hub_cap | hai | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 23 20:01:40 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:01 |
| KennethWilke | hello | 20:01 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 20:01 |
| kevinconway | 0/ | 20:01 |
| dmakogon_ | щ. | 20:01 |
| ashestakov | hi | 20:01 |
| dmakogon_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| cp16net | 0^/ | 20:01 |
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| imsplitbit | o/ | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:02 |
| datsun180b | here here | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-16-20.00.html | 20:02 |
| grapex | o/ | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | #topic action items | 20:02 |
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| hub_cap | grapex: BUILDING_ERROR_DNS | 20:02 |
| pdmars | o/ | 20:02 |
| do | hi everybody | 20:02 |
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| hub_cap | grapex to fix issue where instances in BUILDING_ERROR_DNS cannot be deleted. | 20:02 |
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| grapex | hub_cap: Argh! I didn't quiet finish this- I will soon. Sorry! | 20:02 |
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| hub_cap | do u have status on that grapex? | 20:03 |
| vipul | o/ | 20:03 |
| kevinconway | grapex: did you do anything to finish that? | 20:03 |
| [a]mcrn | o/ (until 13:30) | 20:03 |
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| grapex | hub_cap: I didn't do much of it yet, sorry. | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | sorry grapex i didnt see your update | 20:03 |
| imsplitbit | grapex: do you think the timeline is realistic | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | doh | 20:03 |
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| hub_cap | ok so do u want me to keep it in grapex for next wk? | 20:04 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I do. | 20:04 |
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| hub_cap | #action grapex to fix issue where instances in BUILDING_ERROR_DNS cannot be deleted. | 20:04 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I'll be sure to do that before next week. Thanks! | 20:04 |
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| hub_cap | ok lets move on | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b to add backup status updates to conductor | 20:04 |
| cp16net | lets do | 20:04 |
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| hub_cap | do u have updates for that datsun180b? | 20:05 |
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| datsun180b | gerrit review added backups to conductor this morning. do you know what your other two wishes are? | 20:05 |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: do you have code? | 20:05 |
| imsplitbit | datsun180b: please do update us | 20:05 |
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| hub_cap | lulz | 20:06 |
| cp16net | <3 | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | ok so moving on? | 20:06 |
| datsun180b | working on adding robertmyers' suggestions through real-mode tests presently, i'll append a new review when those clear | 20:06 |
| dmakogon_ | нгз | 20:06 |
| dmakogon_ | yup | 20:06 |
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| hub_cap | #topic conductor support | 20:07 |
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| datsun180b | well if it was an action then i don't know that it needs to be a topic too | 20:07 |
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| robertmyers | datsun180b: good work | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: link your reviews | 20:07 |
| datsun180b | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45116/ | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | ok so status is waiting for reviews eh? | 20:08 |
| datsun180b | i'll abandon the other once since the two pieces are now fused | 20:08 |
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| hub_cap | oh man | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | maybe we should make them dependent commits on each other | 20:09 |
| datsun180b | nope, abandoned | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | thats a topic i need to gain more clarity on | 20:09 |
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| hub_cap | dukhlov: has an issue with a huge commit | 20:09 |
| vipul | datsun180b: Do you think we should completely remove the sql_connection string in the conf? | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | and we need to find a way to split them better, and i think this is another case of that datsun180b | 20:09 |
| vipul | datsun180b: If we are sure that we don't need db anymore -- we should do that | 20:09 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I'd like to discuss it at some point. I think we should tiny commits with one idea each, but they shouldn't be so small they are dependent on each other. | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | grapex: yes can u add it to the agenda (breaking up commits) | 20:10 |
| datsun180b | vipul: worth adding that to the review i'd say, but i'll agree when conductor isn't optional | 20:10 |
| vipul | datsun180b oh so you have made it optional | 20:10 |
| datsun180b | i tried splitting the conductor work up earlier, and it kind of didn't go anywhere so today i figured i'd just stack the backups stuff on top and get it all done in one swipe | 20:11 |
| robertmyers | if we make it not optional that would clean it up a lot | 20:11 |
| dmakogon_ | robertmyers, yes | 20:11 |
| datsun180b | the backups needed to be redone so conductor _could_ do the work | 20:11 |
| * hub_cap is confused... its optional? | 20:11 | |
| dmakogon_ | that is why it should be done | 20:11 |
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| grapex | vipul: is making it optional as important if it completely replaces guest agent communication to the db in one fell swoop? | 20:11 |
| dmakogon_ | because we have huge refactoring coming | 20:11 |
| datsun180b | hub_cap: by request it was, because in rev1 it didn't completely sever the db tie | 20:12 |
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| grapex | vipul: Previously I had issues as I felt pushing conductor would force anyone using the reference agent to use both conductor as well as allowing db access from the agent | 20:12 |
| vipul | grapex: No.. I think if we catch everything then I am ok with it not being optional | 20:12 |
| grapex | vipul: Cool. | 20:12 |
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| robertmyers | lets do it then | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | #action conductor is no longer optional | 20:12 |
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| vipul | so just as a side though | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | #undo | 20:13 |
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| vipul | we've run nova-network in multi-host.. we had to disable nova-conductor | 20:13 |
| vipul | because it couldn't keep up with the status updates | 20:13 |
| datsun180b | yeah making it not optional isn't tough | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | #action datsun180b to make conductor no longer optional | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | vipul: thats not a very nice bug :o | 20:13 |
| datsun180b | especially compared to refactoring backups mid-change without breaking my stride | 20:13 |
| datsun180b | >:C | 20:13 |
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| hub_cap | vipul: so we have a issue where a deployed conductor started choking right, the nova conductor? | 20:14 |
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| grapex | vipul: In that case, I know it could be considered cruft but maybe we should keep using it optional for awhile | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | maybe that means we should deploy >1 conductor in a given topic, eh? | 20:15 |
| vipul | hub_cap: Yes.. so if we feel confident the same won't happen with trove-conductor then i'm ok with making it required | 20:15 |
| vipul | but it's a insurance policy in case | 20:15 |
| grapex | vipul: I like insurance. :) | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | vipul: is nova-conductor disabled? | 20:15 |
| vipul | hub_cap: That's an option.. it really depends on how many guests you have | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | or just on a per-host | 20:15 |
| grapex | I vote we keep it optional for now until we have more data on its real world behavior. | 20:16 |
| robertmyers | how often are the heart beats? | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | i believe the "insecure" way for nova-conductor was to put it on each host | 20:16 |
| vipul | 90 seconds maybe | 20:16 |
| datsun180b | robertmyers: ~1minute? | 20:16 |
| datsun180b | maybe 90 seconds | 20:16 |
| vipul | hub_cap: yep, then it defeats the purpose of conductor which was no db access to other things | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | vipul: well somewhat | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | if u get root access to the vm u still dont ahve db access unless u can get on the host | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | or craft msgs, knowing the uuid's of other guests | 20:17 |
| kevinconway | robertmyers: the guests should just send a message when they die | 20:17 |
| kevinconway | letting everyone know that it died | 20:17 |
| kevinconway | sounds simple | 20:17 |
| robertmyers | dead simple | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: lol | 20:17 |
| grapex | kevinconway: It would look like "{ 'method':'death', 'args', 'aarggggggghhhhh'}" | 20:17 |
| datsun180b | well what if it sends the swansong 90 seconds before it dies | 20:17 |
| esp | kevinconway: like a suicide letter? | 20:17 |
| datsun180b | that way we'll know ahead of time | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | 'message': 'i regret nothing' | 20:18 |
| grapex | esp: That's even better | 20:18 |
| vipul | lol esp | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | ok srsly though | 20:18 |
| datsun180b | especially if it's for an unpredicted reason or a kp or segfault or something | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | im ok w/ making conductor disable'able | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | but the thing that scares me is that if its disable-able | 20:18 |
| vipul | datsun180b, grapex: i say we make it optional for v1 | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | that means everyone will disable it | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | and bugs wont ever get fixed | 20:18 |
| vipul | let's enable it in gate | 20:18 |
| datsun180b | hooray, less work for me | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | if it requires u to put it on every host, like nova-conductor | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | then its obvi that there is an issue | 20:19 |
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| vipul | we can deprecate it in 'J' | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | deprecate what? the old comm layer? in J / | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | ? | 20:20 |
| vipul | the optional flag | 20:20 |
| grapex | vipul: Hmm- there were some things, like scheduled backups, that depended on this though. :( | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | or we can make it non optional | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | and make u do the _exact_ same thing u have to do anywya for nova-conductor | 20:21 |
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| hub_cap | and since its running in your env you have a reason to try to fix it | 20:21 |
| datsun180b | use_conductor is defaulted to True in cfg.py fyi | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | rather than leaving it disabled ;) | 20:21 |
| vipul | fair enough.. the only thing with that is it'll be another thing that has to run alongside guest | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | what scares me vipul | 20:21 |
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| hub_cap | is that a 3rd thing will come along which needs db acces | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | then we have to build 2x ways to talk to the db for that _thing_ | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | because its optional | 20:22 |
| vipul | Sure yea it'll be a headache to support all these code paths | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | so we deal w/ the fact that we have a known issue and have 1 logic path | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | and spend cycles fixing it rather than spend cycles on building the next thing w/ 2 db paths | 20:23 |
| datsun180b | i'm all for stamping out the "guest agent can just update the host db" idea forever | 20:24 |
| vipul | sure - It may be the case that we have a lot less traffic going to conductor.. and it may not cause issues like it does for nova | 20:24 |
| datsun180b | so if anyone suggests a new feature that uses it we can all exchange sidelong glances and knowing smiles | 20:24 |
| vipul | we just gotta be careful it doesn't become the sink for every db request | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | ok we are almost 30 min in on this subject | 20:25 |
| datsun180b | i thought its whole point was to be the sink | 20:25 |
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| vipul | For the Guest Agent.. possibly.. since it doesn't do a whole lot anyway with the DB | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | the agent shouldnt _need_ db access to read | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | it should be passed wht it needs | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | if it needs to update the db it uses conductor | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | for now | 20:26 |
| datsun180b | right, it should be the sink for GAs access to the db | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | for GA writes to the db | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | for GA reads, we pass in the info it needs | 20:26 |
| datsun180b | ^^ captured in my changes to backup's process fyi | 20:27 |
| vipul | ok works for me | 20:27 |
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| hub_cap | ok so non-optional vipul? | 20:27 |
| imsplitbit | go! | 20:27 |
| vipul | sure -- we'll be sure to test it out | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | heh ya :) | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | ok moving on | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | #topic Tempest for integration tests | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest for integration tests (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:28 | |
| hub_cap | so this was on last wk | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | but i dont think it was discussed | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | with clarkb and co we defined a way to preseed the nodes with the needed stuff for diskimage builder | 20:28 |
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| hub_cap | then devstack can build the images easier / faster | 20:29 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap, could we use heat-jeos for images ? | 20:29 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap, it is official part of heat | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | then we can run those w/ tempest tests after devstack uploads them | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: if heat-jeos uses dib then yes | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | dib is waht we use | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/getting_started/jeos_building.html | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | diskimage-builder/bin/disk-image-create vm fedora heat-cfntools -a amd64 -o fedora-heat-cfntools | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | correct dmakogon_: that tutorial uses dib | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | this is what weve done since the beginning of dib | 20:30 |
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| dmakogon_ | hub_cap, i will start ML thread for this | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: why? | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | we know what we are doing | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | what do u need to discuss? | 20:31 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap, i think we nee several options | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | nope not for testing | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | you can do whatever u want dmakogon_ in production | 20:31 |
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| dmakogon_ | k | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | this topic is specific for tempest testing (see the topic change above) | 20:31 |
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| dmakogon_ | i know | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | so this will be useful for the old tests (the ones run by jenkins) and the new ones (tempest) | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ | any updates with trove framework ? | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | with respect to testing? | 20:32 |
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| dmakogon_ | yes | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | nope we dont need to test it | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | im sorry | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | we dont neec to change it to test | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | moving on? other questions? | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ | hm, could you describe your plans for tempest and trove | 20:34 |
| dmakogon_ | please | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | demorris: around? | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: plans are well known, i descibed them above | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | but i will write up a wiki article explaining | 20:34 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap, thanks | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | #action write up wiki article wrt testing + tempest + trove | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | #totpic Blueprint Rigor / Structure | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | lol totpic | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | #topic Blueprint Rigor / Structure | 20:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint Rigor / Structure (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:35 | |
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| hub_cap | so demorris has brought to attention the lack of details on some of our blueprints | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | and possibly that we come up with a base structure for them, so that we dont get 1 line blueprints that really do a terrible job at describing things | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | so i agree that we (the people on teh bug triage team) need to better triage this | 20:36 |
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| hub_cap | i also think that we need to be blueprinting early rather than creating a blueprint after we finish the code | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | box | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | just as a check bo | 20:37 |
| dmakogon_ | agreed | 20:37 |
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| hub_cap | so the bug triage team needs to do better work here | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | cuz i dont think we have a bug triage team if i look @ the "new" bugs in trove | 20:37 |
| vipul | hub_cap: yup agree with evyerthing you said | 20:37 |
| grapex | hub_cap: True, but will a lack of blueprints some time before code is finished mean completed code can't be checked in? What in the case of tinier items? | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | 37 New bugs | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | grapex: everythign needs a blueprint | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | jk | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | i thik we can relax rules on blueprints sometimes | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | if its a VERY small change, and not pertaining to a bug | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | i think its ok to not have a blueprint | 20:38 |
| grapex | For example, if someone is looking at the code and finds a small thing they can fix, I'd rather they make a tiny blue print for it rather than list it as a bug. | 20:38 |
| demorris | hub_cap: sorry, my wireless is spotty on the ride back to Austin, I take it we are talking about my BP topic | 20:38 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Ok, no blue print for those cases is even better. :) | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | demorris: we were ;) | 20:38 |
| kevinconway | so if i have a cool idea i want someone else to do, can i make a blueprint? | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | jk demorris but we have spoke a lot about it | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: hell yes u can | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | and should | 20:39 |
| demorris | k, i could drop at any moment, but I will try to contribute while I am connected | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | demorris: i covered it from your perspective i think | 20:39 |
| vipul | one other point.. is we discuss any blueprints in IRC, the author shoudl be responsible for capturing the decision points and writing them up in teh BP | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | thats to vipul ^ ^ | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | otherwise t hey will have to deal with us asking the same questions over and over hehe | 20:41 |
| vipul | I have a hard time keeping up with eveything we've talked about.. so it'll make it easier at review time | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | #action bug triage team to police blueprints better | 20:42 |
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| hub_cap | ok time to move on!! | 20:42 |
| cp16net | do it! | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | #topic Datastore types | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Datastore types (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:43 | |
| hub_cap | ashestakov: ^ ^ go! | 20:43 |
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| ashestakov | guys, review it pls, i know there are lot of changes, but it already blocker for another things | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | ashestakov: plz link the reviews | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | just so we can see them | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | #link them | 20:44 |
| jodom | ashestakov: is the blueprint up to date with the current implementation? | 20:44 |
| ashestakov | 1 min, im from another pc | 20:44 |
| ashestakov | jodom, not at all | 20:44 |
| ashestakov | it contains no new updates | 20:45 |
| jodom | ashestakov: ok, perhaps i need to go read through the mailing list thread to see where we landed based on grapex's feedback. | 20:45 |
| demorris | i believe the API changed a bit, so it would be helpful to see that updated on the core BP | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:46 |
| jodom | +1 | 20:46 |
| ashestakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47936/ cli | 20:46 |
| demorris | not that I am opposed to anything specific, just want to see the holistic spec | 20:46 |
| ashestakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47934/ | 20:46 |
| ashestakov | hub_cap: can you share link to my gist with doc draft? | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | yes sec | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | crap i closed your gist ashestakov | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | ashestakov: fwiw, make your gists public | 20:48 |
| ashestakov | let me recover it | 20:48 |
| kevinconway | also, to anyone making gists: please make the text fit in the box | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | ++ kevinconway | 20:49 |
| ashestakov | https://gist.github.com/andreyshestakov/657d7cb0528092f4c6e9 | 20:49 |
| demorris | did we settle on the topic around nesting versions with a datastore type? And also the issue around GUID's for types vs. just string names? | 20:49 |
| ashestakov | this draft | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | ashestakov: plz update to put in the wiki :) | 20:49 |
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| hub_cap | and make your gists public ;) | 20:49 |
| datsun180b | use #link for your links pretty please | 20:49 |
| grapex | ashestakov: I find gists harder to follow than the ML | 20:49 |
| kevinconway | and fit in the box | 20:49 |
| ashestakov | will do, once finish | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | like this hehe | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | https://gist.github.com/hub-cap?page=10 | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | ok so we moving on? | 20:50 |
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| hub_cap | ill tkae that as a yes! | 20:51 |
| demorris | well, I am still not sure of the status... | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | demorris: status is that there are revies | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | *reviews | 20:51 |
| demorris | whats left on this one, the review is in, there are a few outstanding comments | 20:51 |
| ashestakov | demorris, now it supports names and uuids | 20:51 |
| demorris | and we want the wiki BP updated | 20:51 |
| grapex | demorris: I'm updating my review of it with a few more issues | 20:51 |
| grapex | Minor stuff | 20:52 |
| demorris | grapex: okay | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | demorris: so its still in flight more or less | 20:52 |
| grapex | Though there are currently no tests associated with the PR | 20:52 |
| ashestakov | anything else except minor stuff? | 20:52 |
| demorris | so maybe in the next day we could be done talking about this one :) | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | ashestakov: i htink its all minor at this point | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | demorris: feel free to review the code ;) | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | yogeshmehra do we need to talk about "multiple node templates" | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | im not sure if that was from last wk | 20:53 |
| ashestakov | if only minor staff left, i can fix it even today | 20:53 |
| yogeshmehra | yes... | 20:53 |
| yogeshmehra | hello... | 20:53 |
| demorris | oh I have browsed it…i think ashestakov has done a great job | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | yogeshmehra: did u discuss that last wk? or is that a new item? | 20:54 |
| demorris | i am not going to get in the business of reviewing y'alls code…I'll stick to spec's and BP's for now :) | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | #topic Multiple Node templates | 20:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple Node templates (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:54 | |
| yogeshmehra | hub_cap:this is new item | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | ok go yogeshmehra | 20:54 |
| dmakogon_ | nice topic | 20:54 |
| dmakogon_ | i like it | 20:54 |
| yogeshmehra | :-) | 20:54 |
| dmakogon_ | (facebook like) | 20:54 |
| dmakogon_ | ;) | 20:54 |
| yogeshmehra | current trove/heat integration even with the externalization is incomplete.. | 20:55 |
| yogeshmehra | some maintenance of the stack within trove....topics like this are pending even before we get into clustering/replication | 20:55 |
| dmakogon_ | yogeshmehra, could you describe bottlenecks ? | 20:56 |
| yogeshmehra | will the guestagent be running on all nodes... | 20:56 |
| dmakogon_ | yogeshmehra, what kind of problems do we have ? | 20:57 |
| dmakogon_ | yes | 20:57 |
| yogeshmehra | would there be multiple prepare msgs posted for each of the nodes from task manager | 20:57 |
| dmakogon_ | yes | 20:57 |
| dmakogon_ | i suppose | 20:57 |
| vipul | currently we don't keep track of the multiple nodes in Trove | 20:57 |
| yogeshmehra | i went through: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove-Replication-And-Clustering-API | 20:57 |
| dmakogon_ | vipul, because we don't have 2 | 20:57 |
| vipul | do we keep track of the stack id? | 20:57 |
| imsplitbit | yogeshmehra: thank you! | 20:58 |
| dmakogon_ | no | 20:58 |
| dmakogon_ | vipul, no | 20:58 |
| vipul | so how do we do things against the 'stack'? | 20:58 |
| vipul | and what are things that shoudl be done against the 'stack' through heat vs. directly through Nova | 20:58 |
| dmakogon_ | creating instance/volume - that is all | 20:58 |
| yogeshmehra | dmakogon_: no for> | 20:58 |
| yogeshmehra | no for? | 20:58 |
| vipul | what about restart / resize,e etc | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | 2 minutes | 20:58 |
| dmakogon_ | vipul, doing it with nova | 20:59 |
| vipul | that breaks down when you have >1 instance no? | 20:59 |
| dmakogon_ | vipul, heat only creates stack | 20:59 |
| dmakogon_ | vipul, somehow | 20:59 |
| yogeshmehra | dmakogon_: along with instances... | 20:59 |
| yogeshmehra | how does the framework take care of multiple nodes getting "prepare"d | 21:00 |
| vipul | probably need to continue in #openstack-trove | 21:00 |
| kevinconway | or ML | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | yes vipul | 21:00 |
| dmakogon_ | ML would be great | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | ML ftw | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 23 21:00:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-23-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-23-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-23-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| yogeshmehra | hub_cap: beyond clustering api doc...do we have a design wiki as well...on trove... | 21:01 |
| yogeshmehra | ? | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | yogeshmehra: plz move to #openstack-trove | 21:01 |
| yogeshmehra | sure.. | 21:01 |
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