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kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 20 17:00:19 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
kiall | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 17:00 |
kiall | Who's about? | 17:00 |
msisk | Here. | 17:00 |
eankutse | here | 17:00 |
mugsie | here | 17:01 |
tsimmons | Here. (sort of, in class) | 17:01 |
kiall | Looks like we're short a few .. ekarlso / simonmcc about? | 17:01 |
artom | Here. | 17:01 |
simonmcc | here | 17:01 |
kiall | Anyway - Let's start :) | 17:01 |
kiall | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:01 |
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kiall | Two items from last week, both for me: place incubation on agenda (done..) .. and put agenda up before the day of the meet (done!) | 17:02 |
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eankutse | great! | 17:02 |
kiall | #topic Incubation Discussion | 17:02 |
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eankutse | :-) | 17:02 |
kiall | So - It's been a while since we last discussed this. | 17:03 |
kiall | (IRC lag is awful today :/) | 17:03 |
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mugsie | do we have a page done up for this? | 17:03 |
kiall | I believe we should discuss the merits today, and have a quick vote next week. | 17:04 |
mugsie | cool | 17:04 |
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kiall | mugsie: no, the logs from today should probably be turned into one though | 17:04 |
kiall | So - The key reasons we didn't get the +1 for incubation last time, was the # of people involved was too low .. | 17:04 |
kiall | What do people think? Are we at a point yet where we can reapply and not get knocked down due to ^ again? | 17:05 |
artom | What's enough people according to them? | 17:06 |
simonmcc | so we have 3 major orgs involved now? | 17:06 |
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kiall | artom: there wasn't a specific # | 17:06 |
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jmcbride | We also have a fella from Redhat in Austin this week that wanted to meet with us about Designate | 17:06 |
artom | kiall, heh, so we don't know what to aim for. | 17:07 |
vinod1 | That makes it 4 orgs. Should be good to reapply I think | 17:07 |
kiall | jmcbride: cool, do you happen to know the name? | 17:07 |
kiall | artom: pretty much :) | 17:07 |
artom | Conversely, how many people/orgs came onboard since that verdict? | 17:07 |
kiall | 2 (3 if you include vinod1's RH suggestion) | 17:07 |
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mugsie | I am not sure... what have other groups who have gotten incubated had? | 17:07 |
jmcbride | Kiall: The fella from Redhat's name is Alex Barreto | 17:07 |
kiall | Previousally, it was just HP, and really just me | 17:07 |
kiall | Humm - That doesn't sound like the RH guy I was speaking to in Hong Kong. Anyway, sidetrack :) | 17:08 |
artom | Well there's RAX now, and eNovance, though I'm pretty alone over here. | 17:08 |
jmcbride | would it make sense to informally chat with the folks that were on the incubation review to see their current thoughts? | 17:08 |
mugsie | yeah, i think thats a good idea | 17:08 |
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mugsie | they could give guidence for what others have had | 17:09 |
kiall | jmcbride: absolutely, but, I think we should have a Yay or Nay amongst ourselves first | 17:09 |
jmcbride | what do we have to lose with a "yay"? | 17:10 |
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mugsie | isn't it difficult to reapply again if we get a no, right? | 17:10 |
kiall | jmcbride: lots :) We don't want to be rejected a second time, so we need to feel that we're ready, regardless of what others think! | 17:11 |
jmcbride | good point. | 17:11 |
artom | Well, over here at eNovance it's not yet deployed in production. | 17:11 |
artom | So to err on the cautious side, I'd say nay just for that. | 17:11 |
simonmcc | I'm beginning to wonder what incubation actually gets us | 17:11 |
artom | Does RAX have a prod deployment? | 17:12 |
jmcbride | seems to me that before voting, it would be nice to hear back from an informal chat with the incubation folks | 17:12 |
jmcbride | Rackspace does not. | 17:12 |
simonmcc | artom - that's a good point AFAIK, HP is the only prod designate | 17:12 |
kiall | simonmcc: more users, developers, etc | 17:12 |
artom | Maybe wait until it's deployed in prod in more places then? | 17:12 |
kiall | there are a few other designate deploys - none contributors though | 17:12 |
artom | Or perhaps contributing deploys. | 17:13 |
mugsie | right, i think that is agood benchmark | 17:13 |
* kiall would need to look through a years worth of IRC logs to find the details though | 17:13 | |
mugsie | 2 -3 more contributing deploys | 17:13 |
simonmcc | I'm with artom, a few more production environments would be a strong case | 17:13 |
kiall | I think I agree, but I'm not sure when that will happen, so I'm not convinced | 17:14 |
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simonmcc | does RAX or eNovance have a timeline, even if they can't publish it? | 17:15 |
artom | There's traction over here for a prod deployment, but since everyone has a million other things to do, it's hard to concretise and move forward. | 17:15 |
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eankutse | We are currently looking at feature parity (maybe API v2) to start some deployment | 17:15 |
eankutse | no specific time | 17:15 |
eankutse | yet tho | 17:15 |
kiall | Applying for incubation is encouraged to be done at the beginning of a development cycle, which is now-ish, 6 months from now, 12 months from now etc etc | 17:16 |
jmcbride | I just chatted with the DB project (trove) | 17:16 |
jmcbride | When they applied for incubation, they only had two organizations (Rackspace and HP) | 17:17 |
jmcbride | two orgs contributing to the code. Only one of them had an actual deployment. | 17:17 |
mugsie | jmcbride: it was 2 production deploys though, wasnt it? | 17:17 |
mugsie | ah.. | 17:17 |
kiall | HP had it in beta, RAX in production | 17:17 |
ekarlso | start deployment of what ? trove? | 17:18 |
ekarlso | sorry didn't follow too closely | 17:18 |
kiall | ekarlso: discussing incubation | 17:18 |
kiall | jmcbride just had a quick chat with the trove folks sitting next to him ;) | 17:18 |
ekarlso | ah, RAX doesn't use trove ? | 17:19 |
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kiall | Yes - they do | 17:19 |
kiall | Anyway - total sidetrack :) | 17:19 |
ekarlso | ok ;) | 17:19 |
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eankutse | So are there also technical requirements that Designate would have to meeting for incubation and are we ready with those? | 17:20 |
jmcbride | here is the document the trove (formerly known as Reddwarf) folks put together: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReddwarfAppliesForIncubation | 17:20 |
kiall | eankutse: yes/no .. I believe things are changing slightly now so some tech requirements must be met before applying, but I also think we meet most of them | 17:21 |
eankutse | k | 17:21 |
kiall | e.g. automated testing via jenkins/gerrit, devstack integration (we have a DS fork with that..) etc | 17:21 |
kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate_Incubation_Application | 17:21 |
kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate_Incubation_Application | 17:21 |
kiall | First link ^ is our original application | 17:22 |
jmcbride | This part in particular is probably something we need to address regarding number of contributors: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReddwarfAppliesForIncubation#Other_project_developers_and_qualifications: | 17:22 |
kiall | (Probably needs some updating ;)) | 17:22 |
eankutse | Kiall: both links are the same | 17:22 |
kiall | eankutse: lol.. whoops :) | 17:22 |
kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate_Incubation_Application | 17:22 |
kiall | (easier to find the links in the summary ^ way) | 17:22 |
kiall | OMG | 17:23 |
kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReddwarfAppliesForIncubation | 17:23 |
kiall | finally ;) | 17:23 |
eankutse | :-) | 17:23 |
kiall | So. What are peoples gut feelings - Is it time? or wait for some condition, or wait so some period of time? (Not a vote - We'll vote next week, after getting a chance to discuss with others outside this room..) | 17:25 |
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ekarlso | you need to have a certain number of tests etc before you can apply | 17:25 |
mugsie | I say wait, unless we get a good indication of passing in informal talks | 17:25 |
kiall | ekarlso: That seems like a really arbitrary requirement - link? ;) | 17:26 |
mugsie | we do have the advantage that we had quite a bit of coverage in HK, and were in the OpenStack newsletter this week | 17:26 |
eankutse | I suggest we open up a wiki page where we can document what we find as requirements over the next week and then use that as one of the inputs to voting later | 17:26 |
jmcbride | How many developers with contributions do we have? | 17:26 |
kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/NewProjects | 17:26 |
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kiall | jmcbride: if you believe GitHub, 16.. | 17:27 |
ekarlso | nvm me kiall | 17:27 |
jmcbride | trove (reddwarf) had 17 | 17:27 |
simonmcc | ekarlso are you referring to this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/incubation-requirements (from this thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2013-November/000404.html) | 17:28 |
kiall | jmcbride: were all of those active? | 17:28 |
jmcbride | kiall: I don't know, let me ask. | 17:28 |
ekarlso | don't know of emails or such, just remember a discussion in #-infra | 17:28 |
kiall | According to GitHub - Trove currently has 41 .. Still not sure I believe GH's numbers though | 17:29 |
mugsie | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Incubation_Discussion | 17:30 |
mugsie | created the wiki page for people to put thoughts into later on ^ | 17:30 |
kiall | Thanks mugsie | 17:30 |
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eankutse | mugsie: thx | 17:30 |
kiall | mugsie: can you summarize the logs after this meet onto that page? | 17:30 |
simonmcc | looks like at least one other project is applying for incubation on this cycle: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2013-November/000414.html (Manila) | 17:31 |
kiall | Then, we can continue adding etc | 17:31 |
mugsie | yup, action me on it will you? | 17:31 |
* kiall has never heard of Manila | 17:31 | |
ekarlso | http://stackalytics.com/?release=havana&metric=commits&project_type=all&module=trove&company=&user_id= | 17:31 |
ekarlso | that's 40 engineers during havana | 17:31 |
ekarlso | 10 until now for IH | 17:32 |
simonmcc | line 31 onwards of this is interesting: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ManilaIncubationApplication | 17:32 |
kiall | Okay - How about, we summarize thoughts so far on that wiki page, have a chat with some TC folks, and come back next week? | 17:33 |
simonmcc | ok | 17:33 |
kiall | heh - cice find simonmcc :) | 17:33 |
kiall | nice* | 17:33 |
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eankutse | agree | 17:34 |
kiall | #action kiall put Incubation back on agenda for next week. | 17:34 |
kiall | #action Reach out to some TC folks for opinions | 17:34 |
jmcbride | kiall: the trove folks invited everyone on the project to add their names to the incubation application list | 17:34 |
artom | Wat. | 17:35 |
jmcbride | individuals were responsible for adding themselves if they thought they were contributors. | 17:35 |
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kiall | jmcbride: okay - I suppose that makes sense! | 17:35 |
kiall | Okay - I think we pause here, and move on to the next topic. We'll summarize to Grahams wiki page and discuss again next week. Any final comments before we do? | 17:36 |
jmcbride | The trovians also said that "project developers" is not clearly defined. If you have folks that are working on a deployment but not necessarily contributing code - they probably fit the definition. | 17:36 |
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kiall | That explains 1 or 2 of the names I noticed in there ;) | 17:37 |
russellb | note that it's just just a raw number | 17:37 |
russellb | it's how many are actively participating | 17:38 |
russellb | not just how many have submitted a patch or two | 17:38 |
kiall | russellb: heya :) | 17:38 |
russellb | not* just a raw number | 17:38 |
russellb | also, we're working on coming up with a much clearer definition of the TC's expectations: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2013-November/000415.html | 17:39 |
kiall | Excellent - We'll have to read up on those, I assume these came out of summit discussions? | 17:40 |
artom | I think some of those still need clarification. | 17:40 |
artom | Ex: "Project should have a diverse and active team of contributors" | 17:41 |
kiall | russellb: I might ping you tomorrow with some Q's, and seeking some opinions. If you don't mind? | 17:41 |
russellb | sounds great | 17:42 |
russellb | it's still a work in progress | 17:42 |
russellb | the docs are just being started | 17:42 |
russellb | but just letting you guys know that we recognize that more clarification is needed, and we're working to resolve that | 17:42 |
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jmcbride | russellb: no doubt, it just updated before my eyes ;) | 17:42 |
russellb | and hopefully will have something in the coming weeks | 17:42 |
artom | Awesome :) | 17:43 |
mugsie | cool | 17:43 |
kiall | Okay - I think that's a pretty good reason to simply wait another few weeks before deciding | 17:43 |
mugsie | ##agreed | 17:43 |
russellb | yeah, i think if you applied, we'd probably want to wait a few weeks while we settle on criteria | 17:43 |
kiall | Anyone disagree? | 17:43 |
artom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/incubation-requirements | 17:43 |
tsimmons | Sounds reasonable. | 17:44 |
eankutse | We definitely could use some time | 17:44 |
simonmcc | waiting sounds the best plan | 17:44 |
kiall | Great - Let's move on so! | 17:44 |
kiall | Thanks russellb + everyone :) | 17:44 |
kiall | #topic Blueprint Backlog - Prioritization | 17:44 |
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kiall | over to you mugsie | 17:44 |
russellb | np | 17:44 |
mugsie | thanks | 17:44 |
mugsie | basically, there is a lot of blueprints sitting in launchpad, and i think we should at somepoint in the near future go through them | 17:45 |
betsy | mugsie: good idea | 17:45 |
mugsie | decides the priorities, ordering, and if they are requried at all | 17:45 |
eankutse | agree | 17:46 |
mugsie | I would suggest a separate meeting one day next week, where we can do bp's item by item | 17:46 |
mugsie | (or the week after) | 17:46 |
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kiall | That's probably a good idea - we're short on time as is | 17:46 |
betsy | Next week is Thanksgiving week here. :) | 17:46 |
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mugsie | well, that would not be a good idea then :) | 17:47 |
mugsie | week after? | 17:47 |
betsy | sounds good to me | 17:47 |
mugsie | IRC, or VC (Google Hangouts etc)? | 17:47 |
eankutse | fine with me | 17:48 |
eankutse | would prefer VC | 17:48 |
artom | 20 bps... | 17:48 |
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artom | How long can each one take? | 17:48 |
artom | IRC is obviously slower | 17:48 |
kiall | I'm easy - Just AFK Friday/Monday of this week | 17:48 |
mugsie | i reckon, some will be 30 seconds, some will be 5 mins... | 17:49 |
mugsie | not long overall | 17:49 |
mugsie | I will set a date, and let everyone know then? | 17:49 |
artom | OK for me. | 17:49 |
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kiall | mugsie: need emails addresses for anyone to organize a time? | 17:50 |
mugsie | Are people ok with google hangouts? best one i have found for larger groups | 17:50 |
mugsie | and yes, what kiall said | 17:50 |
mugsie | or we could use the -dev mailing list | 17:50 |
mugsie | but do we want to? | 17:50 |
kiall | I think, for this case, we probably want to keep the call just for those of us involved. | 17:51 |
mugsie | cool. | 17:51 |
eankutse | i think so too | 17:51 |
mugsie | best thing, people email me? graham.hayes@hp.com | 17:51 |
eankutse | i can give my email here if that's fine | 17:51 |
eankutse | ok. Will email mugsie | 17:51 |
kiall | #action mugsie to organize VC for BP backlog review and general planning | 17:52 |
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tsimmons | Sure. That works. Availability for Dec 2 - Dec 6? | 17:52 |
kiall | Please email him so we can get everyone on 1 thread to organize the whole timezone and scheduling malarky :) | 17:52 |
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kiall | Okay - Moving very very quickly on! | 17:53 |
kiall | #topic Blueprint Standards | 17:53 |
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mugsie | basicly, tying in with the last topic | 17:53 |
kiall | mugsie suggested this item too .. (and I know I'm the worst offender) | 17:53 |
kiall | But - I think betsy's BP serves as a perfect template for what we *should* be doing .. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/Blacklist_API | 17:54 |
mugsie | have a minimum set of standards for a bp to be marked as accepted... I would suggest having a template wiki page, people can get started from | 17:54 |
betsy | :D | 17:54 |
mugsie | and yeah, betsy's is the one to aim for :) | 17:54 |
* artom feels inadequate. | 17:54 | |
kiall | betsy: you'll notice ekarlso's WIP blueprint is based on your template ;) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/Reverse | 17:55 |
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mugsie | thats it really, I would suggest that i stick an example templte up, with a few guides, and we vote on it nxt week? | 17:56 |
artom | But then not all bps have APIs in them. | 17:56 |
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kiall | artom: It's more about the level of detail, the intro paragraph explaining the why etc rather than the API spec | 17:56 |
mugsie | yup, just an overview of general changes to the system | 17:57 |
kiall | Moving really really quickly on - 2 mins left.. | 17:57 |
tsimmons | Sounds reasonable. It'll be good to them in a standard format. | 17:57 |
kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:57 |
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kiall | Any other business? | 17:57 |
eankutse | Kiall: I know you've been busy but did you get the chance to look at APIv2 Filtering yet? | 17:57 |
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kiall | ekarlso has a WIP blueprint up at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/Reverse for handling floating IP reverse DNS. It's not complete, but feel free to ping either of us with Q's | 17:57 |
kiall | eankutse: I managed to get almost all of today on V2 stuff, but not filtering specifically. | 17:58 |
eankutse | k | 17:58 |
artom | OpenStack aims to be compatible with the AWS APIs, no? | 17:58 |
artom | Should Designate do the same with Route53? | 17:58 |
kiall | I'm getting to the point that I'm keeping email and chat closed so I can stay distraction free ;) | 17:58 |
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mugsie | artom: i would say no | 17:59 |
hub_cap | kiall: half past | 17:59 |
betsy | artom: agree with mugsie | 17:59 |
kiall | hub_cap: that's right | 17:59 |
eankutse | kiall: cool. Hope you'll be successful on that :-). Looking fwd to the Filtering stuff when you get the chance | 17:59 |
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kiall | artom: that's a whole other discussion - I'm of the opinion that we pay no attention to the R53 API. But - That's just me | 17:59 |
mugsie | mainly because it is a terrible API | 17:59 |
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artom | Hehe, ok then. Was just asking :) | 18:00 |
betsy | I'm in full agreement with that. | 18:00 |
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artom | Seems there's a strong consensus against it. | 18:00 |
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betsy | ;) | 18:00 |
kiall | Okay - Times up. Thanks all! Please feel free to add agenda items onto the wiki for next week. | 18:00 |
kiall | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 20 18:00:50 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-20-17.00.html | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-20-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-20-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
eankutse | bye | 18:00 |
hub_cap | hey kiall we moved our meeting to right after yours | 18:00 |
mugsie | bye | 18:01 |
hub_cap | so i can give u shit about time and "proper" english now | 18:01 |
hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 20 18:01:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
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kiall | hub_cap: lol .. you stalking me now? | 18:01 |
juice | o/ | 18:01 |
hub_cap | possibly | 18:01 |
kevinconway | o/ | 18:01 |
cp16net | o^/ | 18:01 |
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robertmyers | o/ | 18:01 |
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pdmars | o/ | 18:02 |
vipul | o/ | 18:02 |
datsun180b | oh of course i'm here | 18:02 |
redthrux | o/ | 18:02 |
hub_cap | liar datsun180b | 18:02 |
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hub_cap | ok lol @ the fact that all the mirantis guys arent here, smiling cuz its earlier now | 18:02 |
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SlickNik | here | 18:02 |
hub_cap | denis_makogon: around? ikhudoshyn? isviridov? | 18:02 |
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datsun180b | Good thing we log our meeting notes | 18:03 |
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hub_cap | ok so this meeting is pretty short this wk... there is very little on the agenda | 18:03 |
hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting | 18:03 |
grapex | o/ | 18:03 |
hub_cap | #topic action items | 18:03 |
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hub_cap | i did none of my items | 18:03 |
esp | o/ | 18:03 |
hub_cap | i was supposed to get a thread started w/ replication | 18:03 |
hub_cap | its still on my todo list | 18:03 |
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vipul | re-action it | 18:04 |
hub_cap | which is totally orgmode datsun180b | 18:04 |
datsun180b | what | 18:04 |
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hub_cap | #action get a thread started wrt clustering/replication/recipes | 18:04 |
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hub_cap | #undo | 18:04 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x3653fd0> | 18:04 |
hub_cap | #action hub_cap get a thread started wrt clustering/replication/recipes | 18:04 |
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SlickNik | you need a name :P | 18:04 |
hub_cap | i bestow ron and ziggy upon myself as names | 18:04 |
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grapex | #vote ziggy | 18:05 |
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hub_cap | :) | 18:05 |
hub_cap | #topic old version history in gerrit | 18:05 |
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hub_cap | ok so... maybe im the only person here who didnt know about it | 18:05 |
cp16net | amazingnewss | 18:05 |
hub_cap | but u can diff patchsets in gerrit | 18:05 |
vipul | umm old news :D | 18:05 |
hub_cap | by changing "Old Version History:" dropdown to the previous patchset, you can see the diffs between them | 18:05 |
grapex | I can't believe I was on top of how OpenStack collaboration tooling worked for once. | 18:06 |
juice | Yeah I was doing that in 6th grade | 18:06 |
hub_cap | vipul: ya not for me :) | 18:06 |
robertmyers | juice: lol | 18:06 |
grapex | They have those seminars at the summit, "Gerrit and You" | 18:06 |
hub_cap | juice: lol drinkin yourself and diffing patchsets | 18:06 |
hub_cap | oh grapex i missed that... i was drunk | 18:06 |
juice | Ha ha ha | 18:06 |
grapex | hub_cap: Ah, the other seminar they hold each summit. | 18:06 |
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vipul | i thought that _the_ seminar | 18:07 |
hub_cap | ok so then il be moving on | 18:07 |
hub_cap | #topic Moving the reference agent | 18:08 |
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robertmyers | lets do it! | 18:08 |
hub_cap | im all for it | 18:08 |
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hub_cap | let me touch base w/ the infra folks about removing the guest agent | 18:08 |
grapex | We should give it a name too- like "Reffy" or something. | 18:08 |
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grapex | It's mascot could be an adorable cartoon dog. | 18:09 |
vipul | we should ask them how they gate these sorts of things | 18:09 |
vipul | sucks to have to manually coordinate | 18:09 |
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hub_cap | grapex: lets go w/ ruff pup | 18:09 |
grapex | vipul: What if we start the repo now, and see if we can set up gating | 18:09 |
grapex | then once it works with all the CI goodness we can begin moving the code over. | 18:10 |
SlickNik | I'm familiar with how to create a new repo... | 18:10 |
robertmyers | can't trove just install the latest form git | 18:10 |
robertmyers | like the client? | 18:10 |
vipul | well what if you have a change that touches both | 18:10 |
datsun180b | i propose the name trove-man-about-town for the liberated reference guest agent | 18:10 |
vipul | you have to make sure the guest goes in first | 18:10 |
hub_cap | mordred said moving it is fine, no formal approval needed | 18:10 |
grapex | vipul: That concern already arises with the client. | 18:10 |
cp16net | yeah sounds like the same issues we have seen already | 18:11 |
vipul | yea.. i just fear adding more of those unless there is a easy way to have Jenkins do that | 18:11 |
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robertmyers | I think it should be hard to change it.. cause it is too easy now | 18:11 |
SlickNik | Basically you have to have another github repo somewhere, and update the ci codebase with a few things including name / permissions of the codebase, and which repo to suck in the initial code from. | 18:11 |
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vipul | just means we'll be merging things in Guest with a trust me (tm) | 18:11 |
datsun180b | right, we've never ever done that before | 18:12 |
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hub_cap | guys | 18:12 |
hub_cap | trust me | 18:12 |
hub_cap | its gonna work | 18:12 |
robertmyers | (tm) | 18:13 |
hub_cap | thx robertmyers | 18:13 |
hub_cap | :P | 18:13 |
vipul | i'm all for moving the guest out.. let's see if tehre is a way to test multiple repos together | 18:13 |
datsun180b | (cc na) | 18:13 |
cp16net | where has trust gotten us? | 18:13 |
cp16net | :-P | 18:13 |
SlickNik | but tm is ™ | 18:13 |
robertmyers | SlickNik: lol | 18:13 |
hub_cap | devstack tests should handle that vipul | 18:13 |
* hub_cap thinks heh | 18:13 | |
hub_cap | but i agree | 18:14 |
hub_cap | lets not move the client unless its easier to tests | 18:14 |
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juice | Is this thing on? | 18:15 |
datsun180b | juice: yes hello | 18:15 |
hub_cap | yea lets talk to infra | 18:15 |
hub_cap | SlickNik: wanna take that? | 18:15 |
SlickNik | sure | 18:15 |
SlickNik | #action: SlickNik to talk to infra on what the best way to split out reffy is. | 18:16 |
hub_cap | ruff pup | 18:16 |
kevinconway | i hope that name doesn't catch on | 18:16 |
vipul | i dunno about reffy.. but i'm bad with naming things | 18:16 |
hub_cap | ok so we moving on? | 18:16 |
SlickNik | I only used it cause it's easier to type. | 18:17 |
grapex | #action Someone comes up with a drawing of a puppy to apply to the reference guest. | 18:17 |
grapex | #undo | 18:17 |
* hub_cap claps | 18:17 | |
kevinconway | #disagree | 18:17 |
grapex | Sorry, I didn't realize that would actually apply if I wasn't holding the meeting. :) | 18:17 |
hub_cap | LOLOLOL | 18:17 |
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SlickNik | only meeting organizer can #undo, I think | 18:17 |
hub_cap | im so not undoing it either | 18:17 |
esp | I volunteer datsun180b for a graphic | 18:17 |
hub_cap | #topic Party and Profit | 18:17 |
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hub_cap | so open discussion time | 18:18 |
hub_cap | everyone rebase your shiz cuz of the new types/versions stuff | 18:18 |
robertmyers | vote end early? | 18:18 |
hub_cap | and retun your tests | 18:18 |
datsun180b | https://gist.github.com/ed-/e09316c5d33e7562dd25 | 18:18 |
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hub_cap | we will robertmyers if no one else has anything | 18:18 |
hub_cap | lol @ datsun180b | 18:18 |
grapex | hub_cap: should we rewind the tests first? | 18:18 |
robertmyers | datsun180b: nice | 18:18 |
vipul | datsun180b: awesome | 18:18 |
grapex | datsun180b: wow | 18:18 |
grapex | Is that a picture of a turkey? | 18:18 |
esp | datsun180b: nice! | 18:18 |
hub_cap | grapex: what do u mean? | 18:19 |
juice | I get it | 18:19 |
grapex | hub_cap: Like in first grade, when you trace your hand and it becomes a turkey | 18:19 |
vipul | although that does look like the wrong finger | 18:19 |
datsun180b | it is deliberately the wrong finger | 18:19 |
datsun180b | rax inside joke | 18:19 |
hub_cap | grapex: i meant the "rewind the tests' | 18:19 |
juice | I was thinking of a dog lifting it's leg to take a leak on a db cylinder | 18:19 |
grapex | vipul: At Rax it means "you're number one" which for some reason is a bad thing #dumbinsidejokes | 18:19 |
hub_cap | lol @ vipul "the wrong finger" | 18:19 |
SlickNik | datsun180b: That's so... beckoning. | 18:20 |
grapex | juice: LOL! | 18:20 |
grapex | That's perfect | 18:20 |
grapex | juice: With a thought bubble that says "I'm securing it for you." | 18:20 |
hub_cap | so if we have nothing else to talk about sans datsun180b wrong middle finger | 18:20 |
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robertmyers | lets | 18:20 |
datsun180b | well one moment, i'll update the image | 18:20 |
hub_cap | we can take this professional banter to #openstack-trove | 18:20 |
cp16net | LOl | 18:20 |
grapex | hub_cap: Best meeting ever. | 18:20 |
hub_cap | ++ | 18:20 |
grapex | hub_cap: Totally lived up to the original agenda. | 18:21 |
hub_cap | pssh | 18:21 |
hub_cap | exceeded | 18:21 |
SlickNik | I'm good. | 18:21 |
hub_cap | everyone make sure u update your bugs / blueprints to say "icehouse-1" so i dont have to :) | 18:21 |
robertmyers | hub_cap: I can't change my bugs | 18:21 |
hub_cap | also, file blueprints u want to see in icehouse.. by tuesday next wk i need to organize them | 18:21 |
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hub_cap | robertmyers: LOL blame SlickNik | 18:21 |
robertmyers | I don't see a option to do it | 18:21 |
datsun180b | updated. you're very welcome | 18:22 |
robertmyers | SlickNik: why you hate me? | 18:22 |
SlickNik | wait: what did I do? | 18:22 |
datsun180b | on a serious note: conductor better get through those gates | 18:22 |
SlickNik | robertmyers: afaik you should be able to change bugs you've filed. | 18:22 |
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robertmyers | SlickNik: I can just not the milestone | 18:23 |
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robertmyers | I can change blueprints tho | 18:23 |
esmute | Hey guys, take a look at the dns designate support patch. It needs some eyes | 18:23 |
SlickNik | robertmyers: I believe the openstack way is that only members of the "drivers" team can change the milestone. | 18:23 |
robertmyers | I am in reddwarf-drivers | 18:24 |
SlickNik | We're using trove-drivers now. | 18:24 |
grapex | esmute: I'll try to look at that soon. | 18:24 |
datsun180b | i thought all reddwarf-drivers had were reddwarf job retrigger powers | 18:24 |
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esmute | grapex: <3 | 18:25 |
SlickNik | datsun180b: correct. | 18:25 |
kevinconway | what's the difference between reddwarf-drivers and trove-drivers? | 18:25 |
robertmyers | are we all suppose to be in both? | 18:25 |
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SlickNik | robertmyers: I don't think so. | 18:26 |
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robertmyers | SlickNik: ok, then hub_cap you update my bugs :) | 18:26 |
hub_cap | robertmyers link them in the room | 18:26 |
hub_cap | lets call this a day? | 18:26 |
SlickNik | robertmyers: Send out a list, I can update them for you as well. | 18:27 |
SlickNik | Sounds good. | 18:27 |
cp16net | sure | 18:27 |
vipul | we can go home now? | 18:27 |
robertmyers | sure | 18:27 |
SlickNik | lol@vipul | 18:27 |
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cp16net | yes i give you premission vipul | 18:27 |
cp16net | :-P | 18:27 |
esmute | vipul: Are you in India? | 18:27 |
grapex | vipul: I asked Amy if we could go home after this meeting just like we used to even though it moved. | 18:27 |
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vipul | esmute: i probably wouldn't have internet if i were | 18:28 |
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SlickNik | esmute: He's across the table from you… | 18:28 |
SlickNik | lol | 18:28 |
vipul | grapex: amy's nice | 18:28 |
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esmute | vipul: Take some notes :P | 18:28 |
vipul | lol | 18:29 |
demorris | hey I am late to the party, still room for more topics? | 18:29 |
robertmyers | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bugs?search=Search&field.assignee=rmyers | 18:29 |
robertmyers | hehe | 18:29 |
kevinconway | demorris: it's open discussion | 18:29 |
hub_cap | demorris: sure its open talkings | 18:29 |
demorris | k | 18:29 |
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demorris | so now that versions / types merged, I wanted to chat about upgrades | 18:29 |
demorris | I had submitted a BP long ago on this, back when we were Reddwarf - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/maintenance-windows-and-version-updates | 18:30 |
hub_cap | i like it | 18:31 |
demorris | this was inclusive of what I called upgrades and maintenance windows... | 18:31 |
redthrux | *ahhheemmmmbadidea* | 18:31 |
demorris | but take away maintenance windows for now | 18:31 |
demorris | and focus on upgrades | 18:31 |
hub_cap | yes fucus on upgrades | 18:31 |
redthrux | lol hub_cap | 18:31 |
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demorris | the basic idea is expose a call to return if updates are available | 18:31 |
hub_cap | lets split them up into 2 blueprints | 18:31 |
redthrux | is it minor versions only demorris | 18:31 |
ashestakov | demorris: i think now upgrades by backup/restore should works | 18:31 |
demorris | and another to apply it | 18:32 |
redthrux | +1 ashestakov | 18:32 |
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datsun180b | I don't know about this splitting up business. Let's start a blueprint to document that splitting-up process | 18:32 |
demorris | ashestakov: okay so maybe we separate out upgrade vs. update | 18:32 |
redthrux | +1 demorris | 18:32 |
kevinconway | demorris: is there a difference? | 18:32 |
demorris | minor version upgrades should not require a backup and restore | 18:32 |
redthrux | yes - kevinconway | 18:32 |
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vipul | don't you need maintenance windows for that? or are you proposing user initiated | 18:33 |
demorris | I am all for y'all jumping in on this and morphing the BP, just getting the conversation going here | 18:33 |
kevinconway | so is an update a minor version and upgrade a major? | 18:33 |
redthrux | kevinconway - some major upgrades can hose a db; if it's security updates, that's safe | 18:33 |
ashestakov | demorris: i think need research inplace upgrades | 18:33 |
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kevinconway | so mysql 5.1 to 5.5 is a minor update right? | 18:33 |
robertmyers | kevinconway: no | 18:33 |
hub_cap | not if 5.1 and 5.5 are diff datastore_types kevinconway | 18:34 |
demorris | i think there are cases across different DBMS's where you could accomplish major version upgrades, but there are tons of caveats | 18:34 |
demorris | if you use MySQL as the base case, just go look at the MySQL docs and see the list of caveats | 18:34 |
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ashestakov | hub_cap: why not allow upgrdes with different types, but same manager? | 18:34 |
demorris | it IS possible that you could have a databases/tables that don't hit any restrictions on an upgrade | 18:34 |
hub_cap | ashestakov: lets focus on building out minor upgrades before we tackle things like that ashestakov | 18:35 |
demorris | so I would think that it makes sense to have upgrades be set up to handle it longer term and have that be provider specific on if they want to support it in their deployment | 18:35 |
hub_cap | ++ | 18:35 |
SlickNik | +1 to building out minor (security) upgrades before tackling major/inter-type upgrades. | 18:35 |
vipul | why do you need an API that tells you that an 'update' is available. You know what version you're on.. and you can always list avaialble versions | 18:35 |
redthrux | I'd have to agree with you there vipul - now you're asking for trove to be package management aware | 18:36 |
demorris | so updates will be disruptive | 18:36 |
demorris | because you have to restart the DBMS | 18:36 |
hub_cap | hey i had hoped to cut this short.. lets take this convo about design to #openstack-trove. i need to go to the city to return a laptop | 18:36 |
ashestakov | hub_cap: i think there is same way for upgrade, we can start from just update packages | 18:37 |
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demorris | with versions/types we are already managing packages and versions | 18:37 |
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esmute | hub_cap: Didnt like your celeron chrome book? | 18:37 |
demorris | thats done | 18:37 |
SlickNik | okay. let's move this party to #openstack-trove. | 18:37 |
hub_cap | esmute: hehe this is my loaner HK lappy | 18:37 |
demorris | okay moving | 18:37 |
hub_cap | SlickNik: ++ | 18:37 |
vipul | demorris: So maybe a PATCH on instance is what we need to implement | 18:37 |
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hub_cap | GOTO #openstack-trove | 18:37 |
vipul | PATCH with a new 'datastore'/'version' == update + restart | 18:37 |
vipul | :p | 18:38 |
redthrux | more PATCH goodness | 18:38 |
hub_cap | #endmeeting | 18:38 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:38 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 20 18:38:08 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:38 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-11-20-18.01.html | 18:38 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-11-20-18.01.txt | 18:38 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-11-20-18.01.log.html | 18:38 |
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