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| irenab | baoli: hi | 13:57 |
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| baoli | Hi Irena | 13:57 |
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| irenab | baoli: unfortunately I cannot participate actively today, will try to follow the log and email later to day | 13:58 |
| baoli | ok | 13:59 |
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| baoli | Hi, is Yongli there? | 14:04 |
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| yjiang51 | baoli: hi | 14:04 |
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| baoli | yjang: hi | 14:05 |
| yjiang51 | baoli: do we have the meeting? | 14:05 |
| baoli | Yes, it's on. Hopefully, Yongli will join | 14:05 |
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| yjiang51 | baoli: got it and thanks | 14:07 |
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| baoli | yhe, HI | 14:07 |
| heyongli | hello, every one | 14:08 |
| yjiang51 | heyongli: hi | 14:08 |
| baoli | Hi everyone, let's start | 14:08 |
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| baoli | Yongli has summarized his wiki with his email | 14:08 |
| heyongli | i just arrived home from hospital, sorry late | 14:09 |
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| baoli | yhe, np. Hopefully, you are well | 14:10 |
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| heyongli | my, son. so i think you might worry about he use case right? | 14:10 |
| baoli | Can we start with pci-flaovr/pci-group definition? Do we agree that they are the same? | 14:10 |
| heyongli | in my brain, it's a filter with name, but in the flat dict structure, no sub pci-filter | 14:11 |
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| baoli | Well, we want to agree conceptually. | 14:12 |
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| heyongli | cause for me it's just a the white list with name, so conceptually it's simple, can be describe clear in this way | 14:13 |
| baoli | Ok. So, they all define a group of devices with similar properties. | 14:14 |
| heyongli | agree | 14:15 |
| baoli | great | 14:15 |
| heyongli | any other concern for the flavor? | 14:16 |
| baoli | Now, it seems to me that pci-flavor can be defined by both nova API and by means of configuration | 14:16 |
| baoli | from your email | 14:16 |
| heyongli | config is going to fade out | 14:16 |
| heyongli | for config fade out, any concern? | 14:17 |
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| baoli | in your email, what is "admin config sriov"? | 14:17 |
| heyongli | just mean this step is done by admin | 14:17 |
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| heyongli | John want the picture for user and for admin is clearly defined | 14:18 |
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| baoli | We have some concerns over phasing out the configuration | 14:19 |
| baoli | Did you check the log from last meeting? | 14:19 |
| heyongli | i do, but not see the strong reason | 14:19 |
| baoli | How is it in your mind the nova pci-flavor-update is going to be used? | 14:20 |
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| heyongli | just the the whole content for the filter | 14:20 |
| heyongli | toltaly replace or set the new defination for the flavor | 14:21 |
| baoli | Well, I'd like to know who is going to invoke it and when | 14:21 |
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| heyongli | define this , then the device is pass the whitelist and got group into a flavor | 14:21 |
| ijw | Soirry I'm late | 14:22 |
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| baoli | ijw: np | 14:22 |
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| heyongli | this is just the whitelist's DB version, via API | 14:23 |
| ijw | Apologies for jumping in, but did we do the API/no-API discussion yet? | 14:24 |
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| heyongli | current topic | 14:24 |
| baoli | heyongli: let's assume a new compute node is added, what do you do to provision it? | 14:25 |
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| heyongli | 2.1.1 admin check PCI devices present per host | 14:25 |
| ijw | I would ask, given that Openstack's design tenets are all about decentralising where possible, why would you centralise the entirety of the PCI information? | 14:25 |
| ijw | Have to admit I came a bit late to that document - because all the work was going on in the other doducment | 14:26 |
| ijw | Which didn't mention this at all | 14:26 |
| heyongli | this is not relevent to tenet, it's admin's work | 14:26 |
| ijw | It's actually not the problem. It's not that it's not relevant to the tenant, it's why you have to actively do anything to add a compute node at all. In every other respect a compute node joins the cluster with no activity | 14:27 |
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| ijw | So, for instance, I boot a compute node, RAM goes up, disk goes up, CPUs go up, but I've not had to edit a central table to do that, the compute node reports in and it just happens. | 14:28 |
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| ijw | I like this - it means when I provision a cluster I just have to get each node to provision correctly and the cluster is up. Conversely when the node goes down the resources go away. | 14:28 |
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| heyongli | cause pci-flavor is global, you don't need to config it specifically, | 14:29 |
| ijw | So I would strongly argue that the nodes should decide what PCI passthrough devices they have, independently and without reference to central authority. | 14:29 |
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| ijw | Yes, but that says that all my nodes are either identical or similar, and while that may be true it makes more sense to keep that configuration on and with the machine rather than in a central DB just in case it's not. | 14:30 |
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| heyongli | ijw: suppose you had 500 server's bring in, all with same configration, like same slot for a same pci device | 14:30 |
| ijw | Yup, then I would boot them up all with the same config file on each, same as I install the same software on each. That's a devops problem and it's got plenty of solutions. | 14:31 |
| baoli | heyongli, a pci-flaovr is a global name. But what's part of a pci-flaovr is a matter of the compute host that supports that flavor | 14:31 |
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| heyongli | then you got this flow to easily bring all them up ready for pci: export the flavor in aggreate | 14:31 |
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| ijw | heyongli: If I were doing this with puppet, or chef, or ansible, or whatever, I would work out what type of host I had and put a config on it to suit. This is solving a problem that doesn't exist. | 14:31 |
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| ijw | And aggregates divide machines by location, generally, not type. | 14:32 |
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| ijw | In summary, do not like. I don't understand why it's a good idea to use APIs to describe basic hardware details. | 14:33 |
| baoli | yeyongli: I think that you agreed the aggregate is a high level construct. It has nothing to do with how a compute node decides what devices belong to which pci-flavor/pci-group | 14:33 |
| heyongli | i might wrong, but aggregate bp say it's a sub group of hosts with same property that's why aggregate's meta data and scheduler do it's work | 14:33 |
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| ijw | Aggregates are there for scheduling, though, not provisioning | 14:34 |
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| baoli | yeyongli: i have no problem with nova pci-flavor-create, but with nova pci-flavor-update | 14:34 |
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| baoli | so, aggregate can still work | 14:34 |
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| ijw | I have a problem with using APIs and the database to do this *at all*. | 14:34 |
| heyongli | what's that? | 14:35 |
| ijw | That we shouldn't be storing this information centrally. This is exactly what per-host config files are for. | 14:35 |
| baoli | ijw: let's focus on the API versus configuration. Not diverage to use of DB. | 14:36 |
| ijw | Also, this is not something that changes on a whim, it changes precisely and only when the hardware in your cluster changes, so it seems to me that using a config file will make that happen per the devops comments above, and using APIs is solving a problem that doesn't really exist. | 14:36 |
| heyongli | acctually i argued for the aggregate is is for provisioning, failed | 14:37 |
| ijw | baoli: there's no disctinction to speak of. The APIs clearly change a data model that lives somewhere that is not on the individual compute hosts. | 14:37 |
| ijw | So, why do we need this to be changeable by API at all, and why should the information be stored centrally? These are the two questions I want answers to for this proposal to make sense. | 14:38 |
| heyongli | hi, ijw, if use per host setting there still need a central thing: the alias, but alias is fade out also | 14:38 |
| ijw | No, you don't, you can work out aliases/groups/whatever by what compute hosts report. Only the scheduler needs to know it and it can work it out on the fly. | 14:39 |
| heyongli | so global flavor combined the whitelist and flavor | 14:39 |
| heyongli | if no global thing, how do you know there is 'sth' to be ready for use? | 14:39 |
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| ijw | That's what the scheduler does. Practically speaking you never know if you can schedule a machine until you schedule a machine. | 14:40 |
| yjiang51 | ijw: heyongli, I think we need persuade john if we have anything different. Is it possible to get John on this meeting? | 14:40 |
| ijw | The only difference in what you're saying is that you couldn't validate a launch command against groups when it's placed, and that's certainly a weakness, but not a very big one. | 14:40 |
| heyongli | ijw: no, you must provide you request to scheduele, so how do you want tell the schedule what you want? | 14:41 |
| ijw | Which John? | 14:41 |
| ijw | extra_specs in the flavor. | 14:41 |
| ijw | Listing PCI aliases and counts rather than PCI flavors. | 14:41 |
| ijw | This assumes that your aliases are named by string so that you can refer to them (which is an idea I largely stole from the way provider network work, btw) | 14:42 |
| baoli | heyongli: I guess that we didn't do a good job in the google doc in describing how the pci-group works. Otherwise, it describes exactly why alias is not needed, and pci-group should work | 14:43 |
| ijw | So, in my scheme: 1. you tell the compute host that PCI device x is usable by passthrough with flavor 'fred'. You schedule a machine requesting one of 'fred' in its flavor, and the scheduler finds the host. This is back to the simple mechanism we have now, I don't really thing it needs complicating. | 14:43 |
| ijw | Sorry, s/flavor/group/ in the first location that last comment. | 14:44 |
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| ijw | Bad moment time for network trouble… | 14:47 |
| yjiang51 | ijw: yes, seems he lose the connection | 14:47 |
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| yjiang51 | ijw: but I agree that if we need create pci flavor each time to make compute node's PCI information available seems not so straightforward. | 14:50 |
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| ijw | Well, turning this around the other way, if you described the groups of PCI devices that a compute node was offering in the configuration of the compute node, what's the problem with that? | 14:51 |
| heyongli | ijw: np, but alias is killed during the blue print review | 14:52 |
| baoli | keep in mind, this is provisioning task on the part of compute nodes | 14:52 |
| heyongli | btw: i'm lost connection, so i don't you you see this, i just paste again: | 14:52 |
| heyongli | <heyongli> yeah, what's in the extra_spec? | 14:53 |
| heyongli | <heyongli> currently in the extra spec is alias, what would you save in there? | 14:53 |
| heyongli | <heyongli> no matter what you save there, that's will be global thing or something like alias currently been implemented. | 14:53 |
| heyongli | <heyongli> you can not elimation a global thing there, but the room for argue is where is should be define | 14:53 |
| heyongli | <heyongli> where it is | 14:53 |
| heyongli | <heyongli> and another topic/TODO is Nova community want see some code for this design for further evaluation | 14:53 |
| heyongli | <heyongli> i'm work on it, so we can make some progress | 14:53 |
| baoli | heyongli: it's <pci-flavor:no> | 14:53 |
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| baoli | sorry <pci-flavor:#of devices> | 14:53 |
| heyongli | baoli: i'm lost , what do you mean | 14:54 |
| ijw | heyongli: er, since we're working on two documents I don't even know which document review you're talking about. | 14:54 |
| baoli | in the nova flavor, you can do pci-flavor (or pci_group): 2 in the extra_specs | 14:54 |
| heyongli | ijw: i paste the link there long time ago | 14:55 |
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| heyongli | for review, only bp is valid... am i right? | 14:55 |
| ijw | I think it's fairly reasonable to say that at this point 'pci flavor', 'alias' and 'group' are all synonyms. Whichever we use we're talking about a PCI device type we want to allocate. | 14:55 |
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| ijw | heyongli: no, not really - this isn't a formal process, we're trying to reach agreement here;. | 14:56 |
| heyongli | ijw: yep, the current in tree, use synonyms: whitelist, alias | 14:56 |
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| ijw | What we agree we want: to be able to nominate devices by a fairly flexible method on a host (down to host/path and as widely as vendor/device) to a specific group; to schedule a machine with a combination of device allocations from various groups. Right so far? | 14:57 |
| ijw | I think that's the core of where we agree. | 14:57 |
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| heyongli | ijw: right i think, i agree this, and part of this is in tree except group. | 14:58 |
| ijw | Beyond that, there are two different proposals, one with an API and one which is config driven. How do we choose between them? | 14:58 |
| heyongli | ijw: for me this is a trade off. | 14:58 |
| ijw | For me, it's not - I see the API as lots more complex and also harder to use | 14:59 |
| heyongli | config many many machine had scale problem | 14:59 |
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| ijw | But if you're configuring many machines, then there's no problem, because you have a deployment system that will configure them identically. I do 10 node clusters automatically, I'm sure if I have 500 there's going to be no logging into them and accidentally typoing the config | 15:00 |
| baoli | heyongli: it's not really a scale problem in terms of provisioning | 15:00 |
| ijw | So that's a non-problem and I think we should remove that from the discussion | 15:00 |
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| ijw | (Note this is different from host aggregates - I might aggregate hosts by physical location of by power strip, things I absolutely can't determine automatically, so there's no parallel there) | 15:01 |
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| heyongli | aggregate can be use on pci, but it not must to be like this way, whitout aggregate it should still work . | 15:03 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 15:06 |
| amitgandhi | 0/ | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | amitgandhi: you're alive! | 15:06 |
| flwang1 | meeting time? | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | yo yo | 15:06 |
| amitgandhi | yup made it back in one piece | 15:06 |
| flwang1 | o/ | 15:06 |
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| kgriffs | will Malini be here today for the mtg? | 15:07 |
| ijw | OK, we're out of time, I think we have to take this to the list. | 15:08 |
| ametts | kgriffs: I see her in #cloudqueues. Just pinged her. | 15:09 |
| ijw | To which end I've just mailed out what I was saying. | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | lets get this party STARTEEEEEED gungs gungs gungs gungs gungs gungs gungs gungs | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | I saw malini in #openstack-marconi | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | ametts: ok, I guess the other folks are done in here now | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | and we can't wait longer for malini | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | so... | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | weeeeell, I saw her nick 'changing form' | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 17 15:11:04 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | #topic review actions from teh last times | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review actions from teh last times (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:11 | |
| * flaper87 partially did one | 15:11 | |
| kgriffs | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-10-15.05.html | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | I partially got in contact with Everett | 15:12 |
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| malini | o/ | 15:12 |
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| flaper87 | Which means, I pingged him, recognized him, told him I needed to speak with him and then forgot | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | heh | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: maybe you can try to schedule a G+ session with him some time | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | I mean, we agreed on meeting the day after but neither of us was there... | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: do you have his email? | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: good idea | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | I don't | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: kk, I'll sent it to you | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | I think that will speed it up | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: thanks! | 15:13 |
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| kgriffs | kk | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera is MIA | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | so I'll go | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | play with swob: | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | yay, I did that! | 15:15 |
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| kgriffs | TL;DR - swob is a slimmed-down version of webob | 15:16 |
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| kgriffs | implements much of the webob Request and Response interfaces | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | the implementation is quite different | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | seems to have been optimized some, which isn't surprising I guess, given swift's requirements | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | in fact, I found a few ideas that can be used to improve Falcon | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | hehe, I was going to ask that | 15:17 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: glad to hear that | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: not a ton of things, but a 2-3 ideas that were useful | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | so, the other thing I wanted to know, was whether it was a drop-in replacement for webob | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | did you test it performance wise ? | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | the answer is: no | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | it is missing a lot of stuff that I'm certain Pecan depends on | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: gtk | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | and a few methods behave slightly differently | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I tested performance a little bit. but just the request object. was comparable to falcon.Request | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | maybe a few microseconds different | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | so, there you have it | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | food for thought, anyway | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | oh, I also peaked and webob source code | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | and it is FUUUUGLY | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | wow | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | hahahahahhaa | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | how something like that could become so popular is beyond me. :p | 15:20 |
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| kgriffs | I guess because it "worked" for the most part. And people are lazy. | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | heh | 15:20 |
| * kgriffs is lazy too, but perhaps in a different way | 15:21 | |
| kgriffs | flaper87: seriously, it does crazy stuff like spool the input stream to a temp file | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | lazy + not curious users = webob's success | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: WTF? | 15:21 |
| * flaper87 (plop) | 15:21 | |
| mpanetta | eww | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | and enough layers of abstraction to make an EJB dev proud | 15:22 |
| * kgriffs digresses | 15:22 | |
| kgriffs | aaaanyway | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | it is what it is | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | but at least we now know what we are dealing with | 15:22 |
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| flaper87 | yeah, I agree! | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | #info swob is not a drop-in replacement for webob in pecan, but may be used by apps that are only using the web-servicey portion of webob with a little work | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | ok, next | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | confirm whether or not query params are ok in json-home URI templates | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | well, a good thing to do would be contribute to pecan by making it use swob | 15:24 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: possibly. Not sure how they would feel about that because I know Doug is big on using "standard" things | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | wrt json-home | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | #info json-home-03 mentions level-3 | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | #info level-3 URI templates include query param definition | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: so, afaict, it seems that query params are fine in json-home "href-template" fields | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | i didn't find anything explicitly disallowing them | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | just that they are level-3 URI templates | 15:26 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: mmh, but I remember reading it wasn't recomemded or covered | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | or something like that | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | mmh, 2 secs | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: if you can find the reference, I'm all eyes | 15:26 |
| * flaper87 is doing so | 15:26 | |
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| flaper87 | mmh, maybe I read that in an older version or something | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | I just found: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-json-home-03#appendix-B.6 | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | which doesn't seem to refer to query params | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | but other kind of 'complex queries' | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | I'm glad query params are allowed | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | that makes it even easier | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-json-home-03#appendix-B.6 | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | ok, well we can run with that assumption for now and adjust later if need be | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | :p | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | perils of implementing an RFC | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to create bp for notifications based on brainstorming session | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | didn't do that yet ^^^ | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | it's a beast | 15:29 |
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| kgriffs | I'm hoping to finally get some time this week | 15:29 |
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| kgriffs | kgriffs to write v1.1 api spec | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | I started on this - am about 50% done | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I think you can use cpallares patch as a reference / base for that | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | I'll send the rough draft to the ML | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: ah, I was going off the etherpad from the summit and the /next wiki page | 15:31 |
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| kgriffs | I will see about reconciling that with the patch as well | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to finish up v1.1 api spec | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | ok, anything else wrt actions from last time? | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | #topic icehouse roadmap | 15:33 |
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| kgriffs | so, I put together this rough draft and wanted to get some quick feedback on it: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/roadmaps/icehouse | 15:33 |
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| kgriffs | what is out of place or missing or just plain wrong? | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | looks good. We should probably link the bps there | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | and mark those that are implemented | 15:35 |
| ametts | Several of these are started already. | 15:35 |
| ametts | Is there any value in estimating a % complete? | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | and lets make sure it's clear that those are Ith requirements not graduation requirements | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | ametts: I don't think so | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | in LPs bps, you can set slow progress, good progress or implemented | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | I think that's an enough estimate of where the bp work is standing | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | well, I don't want to reinvent launchpad here - that is the only thing that made me hesitate about adding links and status | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: that's a good poitn | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | point | 15:36 |
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| ametts | Yeah, we just need some sort of visibility to keep aware of where we're okay, where we're falling behind, etc. | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 to submit patches for client Messages and Claims | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | maybe useful, but as a first step I just wanted to have a big overall picture of what we want to accomplish so everyone is pulling in the same direction | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/icehouse | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | I think that's the link we should be looking at, as far as blueprints are concerned. | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | there are other things represented in bugs | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | and other in etherpads | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | so, I do find that wiki page valuable | 15:38 |
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| flaper87 | and I agree with you with not reinventing LP there | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | Maybe just add the links to the various queries in LP | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | maybe a high-level "progress" tag on each item could be useful, to ametts' point | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | Ith Bugs: link | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | Ith BPS: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/icehouse | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: ah, that would be cool: sounds like you just volunteered! | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | etc | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | LOOOL | 15:39 |
| * flaper87 does that | 15:39 | |
| ametts | So Priority == Essential on the bp page is equivalent to the Icehouse required items? | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | i think pretty much essential and high are required, but essential is do-or-die | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | ametts: yeah, essential basically means, w/o it, there ain't be any Ith release for Marconi | 15:39 |
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| kgriffs | anyway, I can try to track high-level progress on the various items on this page. Perhaps create umbrella blueprints for each one. let me think on that | 15:40 |
| ametts | So there's an assignee on all Essential & High Items right now. Anything need extra attention? | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | let's go through those next | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | #topic Review Graduation BPs/Bugs | 15:42 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/change-marconi-structure | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: ^^ | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | status? | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | mmh, I already marked it as Implemented, didn't I ? | 15:43 |
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| flaper87 | yup, that's done | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | oops, yeah | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | sorry I missed that | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | carry on | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/heat-template | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | I think there's nothing else to change right now. I've already some other things that I'd like to restructure in mind, but lets first graduate | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | so... there are some patches in heat | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | Yeah, that's blocked by the client library | 15:44 |
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| flaper87 | we need to make it pip-installable and full-featured | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | I already added an action item on me | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | I'll implement the things left by next week | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | and I'll talk to Everret | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61035/ | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | or Everett | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | mmh | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61036/ | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/icehouse | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | erm | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61035/ | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61036/ | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | ok, I dropped those links on the whiteboard for the bp as well | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | kk | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | we can request to mention the bp in the review | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | cross-project bps are fine... | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | ah, that would be good | 15:47 |
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| kgriffs | next | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | pecan framework | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/pecan-framework | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: you're alive! | 15:49 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: that's not on the wiki page | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | the pecan bp | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: yup, more or less. | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: good morning | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: morning! | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: ah, good catch | 15:49 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: wait, yes it is | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | under essential | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | "Evaluate Pecan/WSME (POC)" | 15:50 |
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| flaper87 | erm, sorry | 15:50 |
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| kgriffs | ametts: the pecan thing is something that needs some TLC | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | nobody has had the bandwidth to take it on | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | I'm not *that* blind but my head is exploding now! | 15:51 |
| * kgriffs gives flaper87 a helmet to keep his brains in | 15:51 | |
| flaper87 | LOOOL | 15:51 |
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| ametts | kgriffs: noted. I'll see if we can find some extra eyes. | 15:51 |
| ametts | (and hands) | 15:51 |
| ametts | (maybe a brain) | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | braaaaaains! | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | pecan zombies... hmm... | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | so, one quick note wrt pecan | 15:52 |
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| kgriffs | a POC is fine - just enough to know what we are dealing with and be able to benchmark some common operations | 15:52 |
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| ametts | kgriffs: Makes sense. So the swob/webob stuff is irrelevant to this bp? | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | ametts: yes. my understanding is that pecan is implemented on top of webob, but we'd be working with the pecan layer for the POC | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | ametts: it was relevant in that we were going to see if we could swap out webob for swob within pecan with little to no work | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | but, doesn't look like that is viable | 15:54 |
| ametts | got it | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | maybe something we could contribute to pecan later - but we would need to convince people that swob is the new webob, so to speak. And I'm not sure whether swift guys are interested in that direction (TBD) | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | aaaanyway | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | last one, then we are out of time | 15:55 |
| * kgriffs needs to put fewer items on the agenda | 15:55 | |
| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/sql-storage-driver | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: Yeela starte working on the driver already | 15:56 |
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| flaper87 | we need to review the patch she pushed | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | #action ask yeela to attend to Marconi's meetings | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | +1 | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 to ask yeela to attend to Marconi's meetings | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | so, I reviewed the tables | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | looks like she subsequently refreshed that patch | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | I think she addressed your comments | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | so we need to take another pass | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | I also replied to one of your comments | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | and I added a note to the new one | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | w.r.t the Locked table | 15:57 |
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| flaper87 | Anyway, we can talk about that offline | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | kk | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: btw, I would like to get someone from the Trove team to help review these patches as well | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: more eyes don't heart | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | hurt | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | At the summit I was talking to an operator who was tearing their hair out over the poorly implemented SQL driver in a particular project (I won't mention any names) | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | fuck that | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | T_T | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: heh - so, I have someone in mind. I will point him towards the patch. He is a SQL meister | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: awesome, thanks! | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:59 | |
| kgriffs | one minute: go! | 15:59 |
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| flaper87 | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!!! And Merry Christmas! | 16:00 |
| alcabrera | yay~ | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | (next tuesday is Dec 24th) | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | ah yes | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | so, anyone going to cry if we skip the mtg next week? | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: btw, I think it's not necessary to send meeting reminders | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | to the m-l | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | all done? | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I was trying to decide about that. Seems like there are so many projs now it is getting spammy, so maybe better to stop | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | adrian_otto: yep! | 16:01 |
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| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:01 | |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 16:01:04 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-17-15.11.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-17-15.11.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-17-15.11.log.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 17 16:01:07 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | welcome everyone | 16:01 |
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| kgriffs | alcabrera: can you snag those minutes? | 16:01 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: will do | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 16:01 |
| coolsvap | Swapnil | 16:01 |
| tomblank1 | tom blankenship | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | Kurt G. o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 16:01 |
| noorul | Noorul | 16:01 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, while we are waiting for a few more participants to join, I'd like you to think about meeting schedule for Dec 24 and Dec 31. | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | I will be on vacation those days, and think those are good days to cancel | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | as many of us will be out | 16:04 |
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| muralia | murali | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | I would still like to arrange an update that we can send to the ML for those of us who will continue working. You could possibly email all your updates, and I could post them to the ML in a single status update, or we could post status only to the Wiki. How do you all feel about that? | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | ^^ perhaps we could actually put our status there in lieu of holding meetings on those dates? | 16:06 |
| paulmo | +1 | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | any objections to this approach? I know a gap of 3 weeks is pretty long, so I want to be sure you are all happy with this. | 16:07 |
| devkulkarni | +1 to wiki | 16:07 |
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| tomblank1 | adrian_otto: +1 on canceling the meetings but posting updates/status | 16:07 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:07 |
| coolsvap | +1 | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | topic #Announcements | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed meetings for 2013-12-24 and 2013-12-31 will not be held by IRC, but status will be posted by each stakeholder at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian will be on vacation Dec 23-Jan 8 | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | travelling internationally, reading email. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | any announcements other team members would like to make? | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, if you think of anything we can address them in the Open DIscussion section | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | before I dive in here | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I expect the last one on this list will require some meaningful time to discuss | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | most of our other topics probably have updates that are pretty short | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 Blueprints for milestone-1 | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | note that I do plan to split the logging blueprint, which paulmo will mention in a moment | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | a more narrow scope will be targeted for milestone-1 and a wider scope will be targeted to a future milestone | 16:12 |
| paulmo | (I added notes to the logging bp about that) | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | here we go... | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/api Solum API (aotto) | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/API was edited to include plan resources, and eliminate camelCase | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | note that there is a difference between plan *files* and plan resources | 16:13 |
| noorul | I see that we have documents scattered on etherpad and Wiki | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | the wiki page above calls out that difference. I will propose a separate blueprint/spec for the plan files | 16:13 |
| devkulkarni | Whiteboard list is huge. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | yes, the etherpads will be consolidated into wiki pages | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | specifically: | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-api-spec-review will yield new blueprints for PATCH, pagination, resource query/parameters, etc | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-demystified will yield a new blueprint for plan files | 16:14 |
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| devkulkarni | At the end of this splitting I think we will get a better idea of the big picture from end to end perspective | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto1 | whoops, network glitch | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: did I miss anything after your remark? | 16:17 |
| paulmo | Nothing else was typed | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next BP then | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-minimal-cli Command Line Interface for Solum (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:17 |
| devkulkarni | no, there was a network glitch effect on this side as well.. | 16:17 |
| devkulkarni | okay, so there is not much update on this. | 16:18 |
| devkulkarni | I will be getting together with Noorul to understand his PR | 16:18 |
| rajdeep | perhaps having a few sequence diagrams in addition to demystified doc would help | 16:18 |
| devkulkarni | and take it from there | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman) | 16:18 |
| devkulkarni | If kraman is not around, I can give an update from the git-integration working group meeting | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | Okay, here goes.. | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: are we expecting kraman? | 16:19 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: I haven't talked to him. I'll see if I can get him | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: ok, proceed, and if kraman arrives, he can add to your update. | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | So the main discussions were whether Zuul can be used for all of Solum's workflow needs.. | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | kraman and mordered have done some work with regards to understanding Zuul. | 16:20 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: on his way | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: tx! | 16:21 |
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| devkulkarni | We have agreed to using zuul for git integration (pull and push) | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | but zuul may not be a right fit for deploying DU workflow | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | after a POC around zuul we will be able to know for sure though. | 16:22 |
| devkulkarni | that was about it from the meeting | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that's promising! | 16:22 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: he's here | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | hi kraman1 | 16:22 |
| kraman1 | hi | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | we are doing an update on solum-git-pull | 16:22 |
| kraman1 | i had a conversation with monty after the git meeting as well | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni has summarized about the Zuul discussion | 16:23 |
| kraman1 | we discussed in detail about how zuul will be used | 16:23 |
| kraman1 | and I will be taking to rest of working group tomorrow | 16:23 |
| kraman1 | we should have a clear picture about how to proceed after tomorrow atleast for milestone 1 | 16:23 |
| kraman1 | devkulkarni: thanks for summarizing | 16:23 |
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| devkulkarni | kraman1: cool | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | kraman1 and devkulkarni: ok, anything more you want to mention today? | 16:24 |
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| kraman1 | adrian_otto: no, that was it for today. | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | do we have any code review posted for anything? | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | git related | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | or anyone planning to start code soon? | 16:24 |
| kraman1 | adrian_otto: no code yet. after tomorrow's meeting. will start developing a prototype | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | ok, tx | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | next BP... | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/user-authentication User authentication for incoming requests (gokrokvertskhov) | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/58811 | 16:25 |
| gokrokve | Its done. Just blocked by Nooril's tests patch. | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | This looks good to merge after adding back test_functional.py I guess | 16:25 |
| noorul | gokrokve: What do you mean by blocked? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ok, please link us to that so we can take a quick peek, please? | 16:26 |
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| gokrokve | You put -1 for some reason. | 16:26 |
| noorul | There is a valid reason | 16:26 |
| rajdeep | one question on keystone integration | 16:26 |
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| rajdeep | any special roles for solum users? | 16:26 |
| gokrokve | Nothing special yet for keystone. | 16:26 |
| gokrokve | Just validation of supplied token. | 16:27 |
| noorul | I think all you have to do is to remove test_functional.py deletion from your patch | 16:27 |
| rajdeep | ok thanks | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: we expect to have an RBAC setup for future milestones | 16:28 |
| gokrokve | noorul: If I remove it I will have to wait for your patch. Which means I cant merge it before your patch. So its blocked. | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | gokrokve: you set on the direction for overcoming the remaining −1 on the 58811 patch? | 16:28 |
| gokrokve | That is fine | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | it sounds to me like there is actually no dispute on it | 16:28 |
| noorul | gokrokve: Why do you have to wait for my patch? | 16:28 |
| gokrokve | Because test_functional will fail at the gate. | 16:29 |
| gokrokve | I removed it for a reason. | 16:29 |
| noorul | But I don't see the reason in commit log | 16:29 |
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| gokrokve | If you take a look on my previous path you will se that I rewrote test_functional to work in functional tests. You did the saeme. | 16:30 |
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| gokrokve | Ok. I will add this info to commit log. | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so noorul and gokrokve, are you willing to regroup after our meeting (at some mutually convenient time) and hash this out further so we can get to a nice merge point? | 16:31 |
| gokrokve | Sure. | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | it sounds like a bit of working together can get us through the last bit of this. | 16:31 |
| gokrokve | We just need to sync our patches to merge them in proper order. | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | thanks guys. | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/specify-lang-pack Specify the language pack to be used for app deploy (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | I have a WIP for this. | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/62548 | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | ^^ the WIP | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | Clayton had some comments about the attributes of a LP | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | Will be syncing up with him today/tomorrow | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | The WIP will change based on comments to Murali's WIP | 16:33 |
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| devkulkarni | Also, I need to integrate with the nova object model from Clayton's recently merged patch | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any more on this one? | 16:34 |
| gokrokve | Angus mentined that datamodel is not versioned. | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | Thats pretty much it | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | I did not understand that remark | 16:34 |
| muralia | devkulkarni: lets work together on that. i need to integrate with nova objects too. | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | gokrokve: yep. saw that comment on muralia's wip | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: +1 | 16:34 |
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| muralia | the datamodel was moved out of api/v1 | 16:35 |
| muralia | in my WIP. we need to move that back under v1 | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | will work with muralia on nova objects and datamodel versioning changes | 16:35 |
| muralia | for versioning. | 16:35 |
| gokrokve | Ok. | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: yep | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | oh, don't we want it to be versioned | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:36 |
| muralia | yes we do. | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | ready for the next one? | 16:36 |
| gokrokve | Why do we need additional handlers and dispatchers for services? | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | we do want it to be versioned. | 16:36 |
| gokrokve | It looks overcomplicated. | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | although, we also want to separate the wsme objects from Solum | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | internal objects | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | gokrokve: we will discuss the api worker blueprint in just a moment | 16:36 |
| gokrokve | ok | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | so let's revisit that in just a moment | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging Logging Architecture (paulmo) | 16:37 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yes, ready for the next one | 16:37 |
| paulmo | I am proposing that we split the logging requirements into an M1 blueprint and a potential future >=M2 blueprint | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: tx | 16:37 |
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| paulmo | As long as everyone agrees to the following logging rules (that we continue to follow as Clayton already has examples of): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Logging | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: do you want to split it, or would you like me to? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | I see you made a comment in the whiteboard | 16:38 |
| paulmo | I can (if we need). The reason for the split is to not hold up M1 and to give me some time to track down the potential changes to Oslo log that I keep hearing rumors of. I want to sync and not duplicate work. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | seems reasonable to me | 16:39 |
| paulmo | The final part is that we will need unique user identification in the logs (tenant/project ID, etc). Do we want to shoot for M1 for that since RBAC and database isn't fully there for a while? | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let me know if you'd like my assistance at all | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | next one | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/api-worker-architecture API service/worker architecture for async operation (murali-allada) | 16:39 |
| muralia | did everyone get a chance to take a look at my WIP. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62466/ | 16:40 |
| muralia | if not, please do and give me your feedback. | 16:40 |
| muralia | The basic idea is to get us to a point where api requests are reading from the DB | 16:40 |
| muralia | I've already got some nice comments | 16:40 |
| muralia | one interesting comment from angus | 16:41 |
| devkulkarni | Any specific files that we should look at for Clayton's examples? | 16:41 |
| noorul | Does WIP really gets reviewed? | 16:41 |
| muralia | WIPs should get reviewed. | 16:41 |
| muralia | to comment on the general direction of the work | 16:41 |
| muralia | devkulkarni: the handlers is where we would integrate with claytons work | 16:42 |
| muralia | one comment I got from angus was that there is a lot of indirection in this code. with no value. | 16:42 |
| muralia | i agree that we dont see it right now, but theres a reason to break it up into a controller/dispatcher/handler model. | 16:43 |
| noorul | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62466/ | 16:43 |
| noorul | That has -1 from Jenkins | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: thanks. I was actually asking for specific files to look at for logging examples. | 16:43 |
| muralia | right now all method calls are just pass throughs, but we have place holders for adding queues | 16:43 |
| muralia | authentication and db integration | 16:44 |
| muralia | devkulkarni: let me look at some files and give you some pointers. | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | we do need decoupling and separation between controllers and things that will actually query db. | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | The "service" layer would be the place where we do all the logic, if any. | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni | So at a minimum I do see the following arch: controllers -> services -> db | 16:45 |
| claytonc | devkulkarni: what sort of coupling are you imagining? | 16:45 |
| muralia | noorul: yes, jenkins −1'd is. I'm still working on the code, but wanted to put it out there as devkulkarni was working on some work that needs this. | 16:45 |
| claytonc | devkulkarni: compositional style calls? | 16:45 |
| claytonc | Command pattern style services? | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | muralia: did you follow up with asalkeld about his remarks? | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni | claytonc: just separation of concerns actually. controllers should not do any more logic than basic error checking | 16:46 |
| muralia | adrian_otto: not yet. i plan to do that today | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | I encourage you to chat with him in #solum and fully explore the concern. | 16:46 |
| muralia | yup. | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | and reach some consensus. Thanks. | 16:47 |
| noorul | muralia: If you can split this into multiple patches then it will be easy for reviewers | 16:47 |
| claytonc | devkulkarni: for simple CRUD it's probably reasonable we should be doing a bare minimum of work in controller, and let the object model handle the details | 16:47 |
| claytonc | for more complex flows completely agree | 16:47 |
| muralia | noorul: agreed. | 16:47 |
| claytonc | for an abstraction around "process" | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | claytonc: either compositional or command/control.. don't know which pattern is the best for us yet. | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | claytonc: was about to say that.. based on your merged work, we need to revisit this | 16:48 |
| claytonc | devkulkarni: +1 | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | I have one thing for this | 16:49 |
| paulmo | I have 3, hopefully quick items whenever I can fit in | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | Gate job for pypy fails on singledispatch. noorul, you mentioned we contacted an upstream somehow about this? | 16:49 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: I meant, I submitted an issue in the tracker | 16:49 |
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| briancline | general question - what constitutes a working group, and how does one become a part of one? | 16:50 |
| noorul | https://bitbucket.org/ambv/singledispatch/issue/1/failed-to-install-on-pypy-202 | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto1 | I got dropped off the network again, sorry | 16:52 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: https://bitbucket.org/ambv/singledispatch/issue/1/failed-to-install-on-pypy-202 | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: thanks!! | 16:52 |
| claytonc | briancline: just attend the meetings | 16:52 |
| claytonc | they're discussed on the public ML | 16:52 |
| claytonc | it's a subgroup of folks working to hammer out specific details for blueprints | 16:53 |
| funzo | briancline: and you can joing the blueprints for update notifications | 16:53 |
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| devkulkarni | The working group meeting times are on the Wiki, right adrian_otto? If not, we should add them. | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, on the Breakout Meetings wiki page | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | paulmo: did you get in everything you wanted to mention? | 16:55 |
| paulmo | I had a few items | 16:55 |
| paulmo | First, I just wanted to link the new security requirements page that I've been working on (and continue to do so): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/SecurityRequirements | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/BreakoutMeetings meeting schedule | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | ^^ devkulkarni | 16:56 |
| paulmo | I'll likely be reviewing using that as a source in the future. | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: that's a really impressive wiki page | 16:56 |
| paulmo | 2nd, is it possible to get an agreed on logging requirements? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Logging | 16:56 |
| paulmo | Thanks, on the first page there, if you want to review and link a specific topic, use the links on the first column like this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/SecurityRequirements#git_pull_regex | 16:57 |
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| paulmo | Just for clarity, relinking the 2nd wiki, the logging requirements: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Logging | 16:58 |
| paulmo | Have we discussed this enough to get an agreed | 16:58 |
| paulmo | ? | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | I like the Solum/Logging requirements | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | anyone disagree? | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | I think folks will need time to go through these before voting to agree | 16:59 |
| paulmo | (last week, nobody disagreed so trying my luck a little farther this week) :) | 16:59 |
| gokrokve | Looks great. | 16:59 |
| rajdeep | quick question..anything we are leveraging from oslo for logging | 16:59 |
| paulmo | Yes, all Oslo log | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | ok, paulmo we can revisit that at our next IRC meeting | 16:59 |
| paulmo | Thanks! | 16:59 |
| rajdeep | ok,thanks | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | next irc meeting is 2014-01-14 | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | please put updates on wiki page between now and then, thanks! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 17:00:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-12-17-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-12-17-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2013/solum_team_meeting.2013-12-17-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting Murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 17 17:00:37 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | Welcome to Murano Community Meeting :) | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | Agenda: | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | 1) Action Items Review | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | 2) Status of release 0.4 | 17:02 |
| sergmelikyan | 3) Plans for release 0.4.1 | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | 4) Plans for release 0.5 | 17:02 |
| sergmelikyan | 5) Metadata Service | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Review AIs | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | First action item is assigned to ATivelkov | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | > Update the blueprint on advanced networking | 17:03 |
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| ATivelkov | not done yet | 17:03 |
| ATivelkov | too much activities on other tasks | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | Ok, but I believe that you had finished https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Specifications/Network_Management | 17:04 |
| ATivelkov | will try to do it on next week as time allows | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | We have two more AI, and second one also is assigned to ATivelkov | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | > send a bug-scrub invitation | 17:05 |
| ATivelkov | its old, needs to be updated | 17:05 |
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| ATivelkov | this will be done adter 0.4 is finally released | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | Ok :) | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | I believe third one is also will be done after finishing with 0.4: | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | > ensure that allowed_ip_addresses limitation gets its way into release notes of 0.4 | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | Looks like there are no more AI's. Moving to the next topic... | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Status of release 0.4 | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev_, can you share release status? | 17:08 |
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| katyafervent | I can tell some news) | 17:09 |
| katyafervent | We have code freeze now and preparing a release | 17:09 |
| katyafervent | And we created new release-0.4 branches | 17:10 |
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| tsufiev | sorry guys, forgot about meeting | 17:10 |
| tsufiev | so far we have fixed all critical bugs | 17:11 |
| katyafervent | tsufiev, Hi! We are discussing release-0.4 | 17:11 |
| tsufiev | there is currenlty 2 known issues i'm aware of: | 17:11 |
| tsufiev | 1. web farms don't deploy because of they use Neutron LBaaS, which we haven't on our labs | 17:12 |
| tsufiev | 2. We had to open all tcp & udp ports in range 1024-65535 for MS SQL Cluster to deploy properly | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | >which we haven't on our labs | 17:13 |
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| sergmelikyan | How it is a known issue? Or we assuming that feature does not work, if it was not tested on labs? | 17:13 |
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| gokrokve | Why we can't use LB from Heat? | 17:14 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, afaik, we don't know whether it deploys or not | 17:14 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes, it is not tested and we will describe it in known issues | 17:14 |
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| tnurlygayanov | We con not use simple LB from Heat because we can not maanage neutron networks for it | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, we does tested with DevStack :) | 17:15 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, you mean, it actually works? | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, actually it is LB from Heat, but based on Neutron, raise then AWS::LoadBalancing::LoadBalancer | 17:16 |
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| tnurlygayanov | default Heat LB does not work properly with different neutron configurations | 17:16 |
| gokrokve | make sense | 17:16 |
| gokrokve | so it should be properly documented | 17:16 |
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| tsufiev | gokrokve, yes, guess should document it more thoroughly | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, was working when I was testing :) But may be it is wise to mark as Known Issue if features was not tested thoughtfully | 17:17 |
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| katyafervent | yes, let's keep it for 0.4.1 | 17:17 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, thx for details | 17:17 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, yes it is safer to say it won't work and it works than say it does and it doesn't :) | 17:17 |
| tsufiev | so, this is all about known issues | 17:18 |
| tsufiev | we're postponed a bit release date | 17:18 |
| tsufiev | to 20th December | 17:18 |
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| tsufiev | to ensure everything is ok (besides known issues) | 17:19 |
| tsufiev | am i supposed to say something more :)? | 17:20 |
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| katyafervent | What's next? | 17:20 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, thx for status update | 17:21 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, np :) | 17:21 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Plans for 0.4.1 | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan | We have plans to release next bug-fix version right after 0.4 | 17:21 |
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| tnurlygayanov | yes, also we plan to implement basic RBAC in this release | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | Currently we doen't have dedicated release owner for 0.4.1, but I believe tsufiev can share some thoughts about what we postponed for 0.4.1 | 17:22 |
| katyafervent | And what about estimation& | 17:22 |
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| katyafervent | Is it end of January? | 17:22 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes, Jun, 2013. | 17:22 |
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| katyafervent | Great | 17:23 |
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| tnurlygayanov | *January )) | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | We are talking about estimates for RBAC implementation or release date? ) | 17:24 |
| katyafervent | And we already work on release 0.5 | 17:24 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, we plan to fix at least those 2 known issues in 0.4.1 | 17:24 |
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| sergmelikyan | Great! | 17:25 |
| tsufiev | also there is a bunch of minor improvements in murano-repository which don't fix any critical issue, but improve overall UX | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Plans for release 0.5 | 17:26 |
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| tsufiev | various (more concise) error messages etc | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | sorry, i thought we finished with 0.4.1 %) | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | Any other news about 0.4.1? | 17:26 |
| tsufiev | np, i've finished already with 0.4.1 | 17:27 |
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| sergmelikyan | Let's move to the release 0.5 | 17:27 |
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| sergmelikyan | We designing new Metadata Service for release 0.5, working on both storage and processing. | 17:28 |
| tsufiev | i can share my part of knowledge about 0.5, it is UI-related | 17:28 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, a bit later, if you don't mind? :) I will try to share about implementation details :) | 17:29 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, ok | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | We have very ambitious plans for Metadata Service in release 0.5 ) | 17:29 |
| katyafervent | That's true! | 17:29 |
| katyafervent | So will we have special git repository for a new metadata? | 17:30 |
| sergmelikyan | We plan to separate storage related part of our Metadata Service and move it to Glance. We working on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MetadataRepository-API this alongside with Glance team. | 17:31 |
| stanlagun | metadata or metadata service? | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | git repository?! | 17:31 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent, omg, another one?! | 17:31 |
| tnurlygayanov | one more repo please ))) I belive no ) | 17:31 |
| stanlagun | Heat has repo for template examples | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | I don't think we need a new git repository. We don't create a new service ) We plan to improve Glance. | 17:32 |
| stanlagun | Comunity-provided applications for catalog deserve to have own repository | 17:32 |
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| stanlagun | repo for metadata, not the service | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan | More details about implementation, some rough thought you can find by the link above. | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan | stanlagun, I don't think that we need repository metadata now, and certainly don't need for service | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | *repository for metadata | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | If someone will find it's useful simple github repository will be enough. | 17:34 |
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| stanlagun | github might be ok for repository. But no doubt repo is needed somewhere | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | Returning to the our Metadata Service, we plan to introduce new Metadata description language and processing engine. Stan could you share some details? | 17:36 |
| stanlagun | I'm finishing protoryping of this. This is PoC-quality yet but ut demonstrates the idea, the language and runtime | 17:37 |
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| stanlagun | During next week I thing we will create main classes that do actual deployment so that we can compose apps from them | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | Some etherpads about description language | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | ? | 17:37 |
| * sergmelikyan lost links to that etherpad | 17:38 | |
| stanlagun | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MuranoMetadata | 17:38 |
| stanlagun | It is slightly outdated. We will update it soon to match actual vision. Anyway it is close to what I'm doing | 17:39 |
| katyafervent | So are you finished with prototyping? | 17:39 |
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| stanlagun | Almost finished. I'd like to share this PoC with other Murano guye tomorrow so that we can discuss the rest of 0.5 plans | 17:40 |
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| gokrokve | cool | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | Looks like we covered our next meeting agenda ) | 17:42 |
| gokrokve | we can finish earlier | 17:42 |
| * sergmelikyan will skip switching topic to 5. Metadata Service | 17:42 | |
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| tsufiev | also we agreed on UI in 0.5 | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, can you share details about ui? | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | :) | 17:44 |
| tsufiev | sure | 17:44 |
| tsufiev | we've filed a blueprint today https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/new-web-ui-prototype | 17:44 |
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| tsufiev | in two words: UI won't change much in 0.5 compared to 0.4, it will have one distinction, more important from the service definition side: fully qualified service names, like com.mirantis.windows.ActiveDirectory will serve as field types | 17:46 |
| tsufiev | actually, a little more than 2 words :) | 17:46 |
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| tsufiev | where such field type is encountered, user will be able either select service of given type already created in given environment | 17:47 |
| tsufiev | or create a new service | 17:47 |
| tsufiev | it will require some efforts on the dynamic UI's part, but no major changes in visual experience | 17:48 |
| tsufiev | that's all i had to share | 17:48 |
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| ativelkov | This new objects being created can be shared with the rest environment on the top level - or may be defined right in place | 17:49 |
| tsufiev | seems that is all about UI in 0.5 | 17:50 |
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| ativelkov | Are we done? | 17:51 |
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| gokrokve | sure | 17:52 |
| gokrokve | lets end this meeting | 17:52 |
| gokrokve | we need to prepare to the meeting in #openstack-glance channel | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | Thx! | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 17:52:49 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-12-17-17.00.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-12-17-17.00.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-12-17-17.00.log.html | 17:52 |
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| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: thanks for leading this | 17:53 |
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| rajdeep | Hi Are we having the openstack congress meeting? | 18:05 |
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| pballand | hi rajdeep | 18:06 |
| pballand | sorry I was on another thread | 18:06 |
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| rajdeep | Hi | 18:06 |
| pballand | I don't have anything on the agenda this week... | 18:07 |
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| rajdeep | ok, where can i find more details about the plans | 18:07 |
| pballand | did you have anything to discuss? | 18:07 |
| rajdeep | and how this is going to get integrated into nova and neutron | 18:07 |
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| pballand | Everything we've posted is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Congress or in git | 18:08 |
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| pballand | nova and neutron integration plans are tbd | 18:08 |
| pballand | is that something that you can help with? | 18:08 |
| rajdeep | sure.. | 18:08 |
| rajdeep | this week i was trying to understand the tests and ran the scripts in examples | 18:09 |
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| rajdeep | do you need help in functional tests or docs explaining in more detail | 18:09 |
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| rajdeep | ? | 18:10 |
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| pballand | design docs and functional tests are both needed | 18:10 |
| rajdeep | ok, i will try to write a doc based on existing implementation | 18:12 |
| pballand | at this point, its pretty wide open | 18:12 |
| rajdeep | should it be done in markdown or wiki? | 18:12 |
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| pballand | I prefer markdown | 18:13 |
| rajdeep | ok | 18:14 |
| rajdeep | also this class TestTablesApi(AbstractApiTest): | 18:14 |
| rajdeep | has a single test case which does pretty much everything | 18:14 |
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| rajdeep | should we break it down | 18:14 |
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| pballand | that would be better :) | 18:15 |
| rajdeep | cool so let me start these two things | 18:16 |
| pballand | one alternative Tim and I discussed for the doc was using a google doc | 18:17 |
| pballand | do you have thoughts on that? | 18:17 |
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| rajdeep | markdown is better | 18:17 |
| rajdeep | or rst | 18:17 |
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| rajdeep | google doc can get ugly | 18:18 |
| rajdeep | in formatting | 18:18 |
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| pballand | fair enough | 18:19 |
| pballand | I am going to try to work on pushing some more api fucntionality | 18:19 |
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| pballand | the next meeting is scheduled for the 31st, but because of US holidays, I think we will skip it | 18:20 |
| rajdeep | ok | 18:20 |
| rajdeep | where can i find more info about nova:virtual_machine syntax we are using | 18:20 |
| pballand | all objects can be defined 'on-the-fly' - that syntax assumes there is a plugin that populates a table named nova:virtual_machine | 18:21 |
| pballand | (a plugin that is yet to be written) | 18:22 |
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| rajdeep | ok and which database are we using? | 18:23 |
| rajdeep | its not very clear from the code.. | 18:23 |
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| pballand | all data is stored in ram | 18:23 |
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| rajdeep | are we planning a persistence layer? | 18:24 |
| pballand | (currently) | 18:24 |
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| pballand | not at this point - we don't see numbers that say we will blow past available RAM | 18:25 |
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| pballand | basically Congress is just a cache, so persistence is up to the underlying data source | 18:25 |
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| pballand | with that said, the rules themselves need persistence | 18:26 |
| pballand | and that is not defined | 18:26 |
| rajdeep | ok - i will document that | 18:26 |
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| rajdeep | currently we are using files and loading them | 18:26 |
| pballand | yeah, the initial POC was just text file based | 18:26 |
| pballand | as we move more to an API model, that will change | 18:27 |
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| rajdeep | great, very useful inputs | 18:27 |
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| pballand | all good questions that I should have documented in a design doc :-/ | 18:28 |
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| pballand | anything else for now? | 18:29 |
| rajdeep | it takes time to wrap your head around this concept especially datalog syntax | 18:29 |
| pballand | no kidding :) | 18:29 |
| rajdeep | and how it fits in | 18:30 |
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| rajdeep | thanks for your answers | 18:31 |
| rajdeep | perhaps we can wrap it up today | 18:31 |
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| rajdeep | will ping you if i have more questions | 18:31 |
| pballand | sounds good, thanks for the participation :) | 18:31 |
| rajdeep | thanks | 18:32 |
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| lifeless | morning! | 19:01 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:01 |
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| lsmola_ | hello | 19:01 |
| jdob | morning :) | 19:01 |
| jdob | \o | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 17 19:02:43 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:02 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: got your UTC clock on ? :) | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | bugs | 19:03 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:03 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:03 |
| lifeless | moving TripleO UI under Horizon codebase | 19:03 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:03 |
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| jtomasek | hi | 19:04 |
| lifeless | well done - all bugs triaged now | 19:04 |
| lifeless | still one incomplete we haven't chased to ground | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | criticals | 19:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1254246 | 19:05 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1254555 | 19:05 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1261253 | 19:05 |
| lifeless | I think we can close the first one, it's fixed in neutron | 19:05 |
| rpodolyaka1 | the first one should have been fixed by now, but the proposed fix revealed another interesting issue with DB schema migrations in Neutron | 19:06 |
| lifeless | oh! it's marked fix committed | 19:06 |
| rpodolyaka1 | yeah, but this one is needed too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61677/1 | 19:06 |
| rpodolyaka1 | *to be merged first | 19:06 |
| rpodolyaka1 | long story short: ML2 migrations have been broken in Neutron for a long time and worked by accident | 19:07 |
| lifeless | arghhh | 19:07 |
| lifeless | *fun* | 19:07 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:07 |
| lifeless | so it stays open | 19:07 |
| lifeless | the second - can someone agitate about that in Neutron? it's marked 'low' | 19:07 |
| lifeless | which I really find a bit bizarre | 19:07 |
| jog0 | anteaya: ^ | 19:07 |
| marios | lifeless: i can ping enikanorov__ about it tomorrow | 19:08 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:08 |
| lifeless | marios: interestingly it says 'symptoms fixed but issue remains' | 19:08 |
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| lifeless | perhaps we should try removing clints workaround, and if that works, close it in tripleo ? | 19:08 |
| anteaya | rpodolyaka1: can you be available after the meeting to discuss this in -neutron? | 19:09 |
| rpodolyaka1 | anteaya: sure | 19:09 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:09 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: marios: enikanorov told me he had fixed only one particular issue leading to problems with policies, though there might be others | 19:10 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: ah | 19:10 |
| marios | rpodolyaka1: ah k | 19:10 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: so should we try removing the bandaid? | 19:10 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: though, I agree, we should try to remove workaround | 19:10 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: at least to provide more information of errors we have | 19:10 |
| enikanorov | looks like a good plan to me | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | is there a volunteer here to try that (not you rpodolyaka1 :P) or should we ask on the list? | 19:11 |
| marios | sure i can give a go | 19:11 |
| enikanorov | matrohon: btw i'm here | 19:11 |
| lifeless | #action marios to try removing workaround for bug 1254555 | 19:11 |
| lifeless | bug 1261253 we can workaround very easily - it's just a matter of manually installing d2to1 into the mirror, and we document other cases of that already in the pypi element; after that we can downgrade the bug to a medium | 19:12 |
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| lifeless | see bug 1222306 for another example | 19:13 |
| lifeless | any volunteers here, or should I ask on the liset? | 19:13 |
| marios | o/ | 19:13 |
| lifeless | #action marios to document workaround in pypi element for bug 1261253 | 19:14 |
| lifeless | Any other bug business? | 19:14 |
| dkehn | sorry for being late | 19:14 |
| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:14 | |
| lifeless | #link | 19:14 |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:15 |
| lifeless | erm | 19:15 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:15 |
| lifeless | 19:15 | |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:15 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 0 days, 5 hours, 28 minutes | 19:15 |
| lifeless | 1rd quartile wait time: 0 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes | 19:15 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 0 days, 3 hours, 42 minutes | 19:15 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 0 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes | 19:15 |
| lifeless | So, still in good shape. \o/ | 19:15 |
| marios | nice | 19:15 |
| lifeless | Any discussion needed around reviews? People happy with the quality, helpfulness etc that they are receiving? | 19:16 |
| dprince | happy | 19:16 |
| lsmola_ | very happy :-) | 19:16 |
| lifeless | ok, cool | 19:17 |
| lifeless | #topic projects needing releases | 19:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:17 | |
| lifeless | We've landed code -> we need to do a release of projects. | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | Can I have a volunteer? | 19:17 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:17 |
| rpodolyaka1 | :) | 19:17 |
| lifeless | #action rpodolyaka1 to release all the things | 19:18 |
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| lifeless | Any discussion points around releases? | 19:18 |
| lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:19 | |
| lifeless | SpamapS: you here? | 19:20 |
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| lifeless | (He may be stuck in face to face meetings today) | 19:20 |
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| lifeless | going to take that as no :) | 19:21 |
| lifeless | ok so | 19:21 |
| lifeless | we're now back to somewhat reliable | 19:21 |
| lifeless | but we found some major | 19:21 |
| lifeless | issues | 19:21 |
| lifeless | a) we were missing -o pipefail in a number of places, which with tee leads to undetected failures | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | specifically we were failing to build the noncompute image for weeks, deploying wiht the old one | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | we found this out when nova broke compat between the noncompute and compute images :) | 19:22 |
| lifeless | fixing that lead to a cascade of small fixes that we used the two-reviewers for CD rule to land | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | as noone else was around,a nd we were down | 19:22 |
| lifeless | so - please use -o pipefail :) | 19:23 |
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| lifeless | b) cinder was basically never working, we have no idea how we ever succeeeded with it included; fixed now. | 19:23 |
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| lifeless | The preserve-ephemeral patchset is now complete enough to experiment with! | 19:23 |
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| dprince | lifeless: unless we have a test or something in the overcloud that uses Cinder it could still break at any time right? | 19:24 |
| lifeless | See the patch to devtest_overcloud (I0efa8f52864f49ccdb885f6f655c732c951b3f7a) for references. | 19:24 |
| lifeless | dprince: less so, but yes. | 19:24 |
| lifeless | dprince: we know all the current failures because we fixed the reporting chain so we detected them | 19:25 |
| * dprince likes checks in multiple places | 19:25 | |
| lifeless | I'm sure rpodolyaka1 & jog0 & whoever else is hacking on the preserve ephemeral patchset would love folk to try early adoption | 19:25 |
| lifeless | I've shoehorned it into the current undercloud | 19:25 |
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| lifeless | to get real world experience | 19:26 |
| rpodolyaka1 | test it, break it, review it :) | 19:26 |
| jog0 | ++ | 19:26 |
| lifeless | good news - it deploys; bad news - we're not trying the new codepath entirely yet. | 19:26 |
| lifeless | Need to land I0efa8f52864f49ccdb885f6f655c732c951b3f7a first | 19:26 |
| lifeless | Anything else on the CD cloud status? | 19:27 |
| lifeless | #topic virtualised testing | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "virtualised testing (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:28 | |
| lifeless | Anyone have news on zis? | 19:28 |
| lifeless | dprince: pleia2: ? | 19:28 |
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| dprince | Well. I've started pushing some things to the incubator to get parity w/ tripleO CI. | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | I might lose my spot in this conference room in a couple minutes, so I'll be quick | 19:29 |
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| dprince | Soon I'll rip tripleo CI aport and have it use the devtest scripts. | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61052/ is the main patch from derekh that I'm reviewing | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | (and testing) | 19:29 |
| dprince | And derekh just about has the test worker stuff in the bag. | 19:29 |
| lifeless | ok, cool | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | I believe derekh was going to look into confirming that the networking that works ok now, still works with the overlay network | 19:30 |
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| dprince | Specific to our Red Hat test environment we are still working on getting a small set (about 30) public IPs. | 19:30 |
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| dprince | that is mostly it I think. | 19:31 |
| dprince | done. | 19:31 |
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| pleia2 | that's it for me too | 19:31 |
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| pleia2 | dprince: you and derekh available for a sync up tomorrow? | 19:31 |
| lifeless | dprince: ok - hey the RH environment should be in the CD cloud section :) | 19:32 |
| lifeless | dprince: but thanks! | 19:32 |
| lifeless | ##topic moving TripleO UI under Horizon codebase | 19:32 |
| lifeless | pleia2: I am! | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | lifeless: yay | 19:32 |
| dprince | lifeless: okay, we can add it | 19:32 |
| lifeless | #topic moving TripleO UI under Horizon codebase | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "moving TripleO UI under Horizon codebase (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:33 | |
| lsmola_ | ok | 19:33 |
| dprince | pleia2/lifeless: I'll send out an invite for the normal time. | 19:33 |
| lifeless | dprince: thanks | 19:33 |
| lifeless | lsmola_: tag:) | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | dprince: great | 19:33 |
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| lsmola_ | so i have sent email with 2 plans, merging under Horizon program and merging directly to horizon codebase | 19:33 |
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| jomara | we will know more after today's meeting | 19:34 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:34 |
| lsmola_ | we are leaning to merging directly to the codebase, although we have some conditions and development can be slightly slower | 19:34 |
| lifeless | is there anything you need from us here? | 19:34 |
| lifeless | or any concerns you want to talk about? | 19:34 |
| lsmola_ | though it will be all done properly upstream :-) | 19:34 |
| jcoufal-mob | I don't think there are triplo related concerns | 19:34 |
| lsmola_ | not really I think, it will all be discussed on Horizon meeting today | 19:35 |
| jcoufal-mob | Horizon meeting is more important today :) | 19:35 |
| jcoufal-mob | Yup | 19:35 |
| lsmola_ | :-) | 19:35 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:35 |
| lifeless | Now I see there's a new item on the wiki page | 19:35 |
| lifeless | lsmola_: please put them in the list at the top as well :) | 19:35 |
| lifeless | #topic After heat stack-create init operations (lsmola) | 19:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "After heat stack-create init operations (lsmola) (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:36 | |
| lsmola_ | ok | 19:36 |
| lifeless | "Regarding this discussion http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg11671.html Does this initialization belongs to Heat template or to Tuskar-API? shardy says: but it is possible to update the configuration subsequently using cfn-hup, or os-collect-config/os-apply-config, which read updated resource Metadata and apply it " | 19:36 |
| lsmola_ | I wasnn't sure | 19:36 |
| lifeless | dunno if that all came through - there should be a trailing " if it did | 19:36 |
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| lsmola_ | so | 19:37 |
| lsmola_ | basically tuskar was calling these init scripts after the stack-create | 19:37 |
| lsmola_ | though I am not sure if that is the right approach | 19:37 |
| lifeless | Ok | 19:38 |
| lsmola_ | It's an initialization step and it should be part of stack-create | 19:38 |
| lifeless | so this is probably something to tease out on the list - I mean, I can say why its the way it is today for the CLI | 19:38 |
| lsmola_ | so are there any concerns with packing it to Heat or occ and oac? | 19:39 |
| lifeless | we have a principle in the design that one-time things - basically API calls - should be externally orchestrated, not done by local machine scripts | 19:39 |
| lifeless | all of this setup stuff is in that category. | 19:39 |
| lifeless | Consider deployment of an HA setup. Which machine - and only one can do it - should run pki_setup | 19:39 |
| lifeless | Ditto initial neutron setup | 19:39 |
| lifeless | and keystone registrations | 19:40 |
| lsmola_ | hm | 19:40 |
| lsmola_ | not sure if i am right, but we will be using different heat templates for HA setup right? | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | Not sure at this point | 19:41 |
| lifeless | I'd like to avoid that | 19:41 |
| lifeless | just merge in with a count for the control plane of N != 1 | 19:41 |
| lsmola_ | hm | 19:41 |
| lifeless | Remember that we build the undercloud by doing one node and handing over then scaling up | 19:41 |
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| lsmola_ | because you have to define also resources like load balancers, and thing like that in Heat template right? | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | for a given stack, yeah | 19:42 |
| lifeless | We can divide these tasks into two categories | 19:42 |
| lifeless | there are things that we /should/ be automating | 19:42 |
| lsmola_ | so it can be kind of hard to define all option to one template | 19:42 |
| lifeless | like endpoint registration | 19:42 |
| lsmola_ | but rather have multiple tested templates with different setup | 19:42 |
| lifeless | by which I mean that if an endpoint moves it needs to be re-registered | 19:43 |
| lsmola_ | right | 19:43 |
| lifeless | but even thats not 100% clear - with VIPs you register once and any subsequent registration is deliberate and orthogonal to redeployment stuff | 19:43 |
| lifeless | the other category is human tweaking | 19:43 |
| lifeless | like network setup | 19:43 |
| lifeless | until we have baremetal neutron to give outbound automatic policy stuff, the public network setup is entirely a matter of driving the Neutron API in the overcloud once | 19:44 |
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| lifeless | which users can do via the Admin tab of the deployed overcloud | 19:44 |
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| lifeless | Either way, none of these things need to be done on changes to the cloud, it's just initial bringup | 19:45 |
| lsmola_ | hm | 19:45 |
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| lsmola_ | so i take it there is not place in heat templates, that is good for this init scripts? | 19:46 |
| lifeless | heat doesn't know how to orchestrate APIs that it's deploying | 19:46 |
| lifeless | only how to orchestrate APIs that provide it with resources | 19:46 |
| lifeless | the 'software config' work that is ongoing is tangentially related, but not the same. | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | If we could get rid of the SSH for keystone, it would be all API all the time | 19:47 |
| lsmola_ | hmm ok | 19:47 |
| lifeless | and then we could focus on addressing that in Heat | 19:47 |
| lsmola_ | we will put it separately then | 19:47 |
| lifeless | anyhow - lets say: it is an issue, it should be fixed, but how isn't clear; -> the list | 19:47 |
| lifeless | IMNSHO :) | 19:47 |
| lsmola_ | an we will discuss with heat guys, how to make this happen | 19:47 |
| lifeless | Well, also a broader tripleo discussion | 19:48 |
| lsmola_ | lifeless: ok, cool | 19:48 |
| lifeless | meetings aren't a good place to get everyones thoughts | 19:48 |
| lifeless | like - this has been just you and me :) | 19:48 |
| lifeless | no SpamapS, no ng, ... | 19:48 |
| lsmola_ | hehe, ok, point taken :-) | 19:48 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:48 | |
| lifeless | 12 minutes, get it while it's hot | 19:49 |
| dkehn | cue crickets | 19:50 |
| lifeless | and | 19:50 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 19:51:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-12-17-19.02.html | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-12-17-19.02.txt | 19:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-12-17-19.02.log.html | 19:51 |
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| jomara | later guys! | 19:51 |
| marios | goodnight tripleo o/ | 19:51 |
| lifeless | gnight! | 19:51 |
| jcoufal-mob | Thanks guys, o/ | 19:51 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:51 |
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| jistr | see ya o/ | 19:51 |
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| lsmola_ | good night guys | 19:51 |
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