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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 13:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
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| baoli | hi | 13:00 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:03 |
| irenab | sorry for being late | 13:03 |
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| sadasu | hello | 13:06 |
| irenab | hi, I got notice from rkukura for being late in 10 mins | 13:07 |
| sadasu | ok...until he joins...can we talk about the SriovMechanismDriverBase/Mixin | 13:08 |
| irenab | I have some delay with vnic_type due to other urgent task, I think I will resume the work on it in Sunday. | 13:09 |
| sadasu | what do you have in mind? | 13:09 |
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| irenab | sadasu: We have the nova to support nova that passes in the port profile with all SRIOV related detail | 13:10 |
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| sadasu | yes, how about the validate_port_binding() in the AgentMechanismDriverBase | 13:11 |
| irenab | sadasu: sorry, we have to support nova call into port create/update with SRIOV details, seems at least this should be parsed generically | 13:11 |
| sadasu | agreed...but didn't think that was going to be a lot.. | 13:12 |
| sadasu | nova calls into validate_port_binding(). It is currently implemented only be ovs and linuxbridge agents | 13:13 |
| sadasu | in our SR-IOV context, does each mechanism driver take care of it? | 13:14 |
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| rkukura | hi - sorry I'm late (as usual) | 13:14 |
| irenab | sadasu: agree. Seems that it will be code duplication to parse, store and retrive this information by each MD. | 13:14 |
| irenab | rkukura: hi | 13:15 |
| rkukura | I'm proposing to eliminate validate_port_binding(). Do you see an need for it? | 13:15 |
| sadasu | rkukura: hello! | 13:15 |
| irenab | I can attend only for more 15 mins more, sorry | 13:15 |
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| sadasu | need some guidance on the validate_port_binding() method | 13:16 |
| baoli | I was wondering how rkukura's binding:profile binding:vif_details support would look like. Then we can decide based on that | 13:16 |
| irenab | sadasu: I think that validate_port_binding can be generic for SRIOV and if needed call into derived Mech Driver, but actually need write reference code to see how it goes | 13:16 |
| rkukura | I think I'm on track to push WIP patches for both those BPs tomorrow. | 13:16 |
| sadasu | irenab: as I said earlier, we can add the mixin class if there is enough common functionality...we can discuss on the list | 13:16 |
| irenab | sadasu: fine, I think we can try to figure out on internal mail exchange and then publish on the list if its OK with you | 13:17 |
| rkukura | See http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026344.html for the proposed changes regarding ML2's port binding and mechanism drivers. | 13:17 |
| irenab | rkukura: great! | 13:17 |
| sadasu | rkukura: thanks! And also, nice detailed write up on what you are proposing with original and current portContext | 13:18 |
| irenab | I have some delay with vnic_type, hope to be back on this on Sunday | 13:19 |
| baoli | Cool, seems that we are on track from neutron side | 13:19 |
| sadasu | irenab: thanks | 13:19 |
| baoli | Can we continue with what we have left off from yesterday? | 13:19 |
| rkukura | irenab: I'm guessing your policy rule investigation has already been discussed - I'll read the log after the meeting and followup on the email thread if needed | 13:20 |
| irenab | rkukura: not discussed yet | 13:20 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: not discussed in the meeting yet, only on the list | 13:20 |
| irenab | baoli: do you want to discuss the question you sent? | 13:21 |
| sadasu | anythink other than ^^ lesft over from yesterday? | 13:21 |
| baoli | #topic policy rule | 13:21 |
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| baoli | irenab, sure go ahead | 13:21 |
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| irenab | I did net-list on behalf of tenant and saw shared network there | 13:23 |
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| irenab | but the net-show shows admin as owner of the shared network | 13:23 |
| baoli | "admin_or_owner": "rule:context_is_admin or tenant_id:%(tenant_id)s", | 13:24 |
| baoli | "admin_or_network_owner": "rule:context_is_admin or tenant_id:%(network:tenant_id)s", | 13:24 |
| baoli | I can see what admin_or_network_owner is about | 13:24 |
| baoli | the user should either have an admin role, or its tenant id matches the network's tenant id | 13:25 |
| irenab | so what I think that for vnic_type we need "admin_or_owner" | 13:25 |
| irenab | to cover the shared network case | 13:25 |
| irenab | but actually not sure why it is forbiden for tenant user to set mac-address and IP on shared network | 13:26 |
| baoli | So what exactly tenant_id:%(tenant_id)s means in the admin_or_owner definition? | 13:27 |
| rkukura | irenab: "admin_or_owner" allows access for the owner of the poirt itself. That sounds like what we want. If the network is shared and someone else owns it, the user's own port is still owned by that user, not the owner of the network. | 13:27 |
| sadasu | to indavertantly disallow duplicate mac address or IP address config? | 13:27 |
| irenab | baoli: like rkukura said, owner of the port | 13:27 |
| baoli | irenab, got it, thanks. | 13:28 |
| sadasu | rkukura: thanks for clarifying. | 13:28 |
| irenab | so agree on admin_or_owner? | 13:29 |
| sadasu | irenab: so, admin_or_owner should be fine for us | 13:29 |
| irenab | sadasu: great | 13:29 |
| irenab | baoli: can you please give brief update if there is anything new on nova side? | 13:30 |
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| irenab | any progress with your patch? | 13:30 |
| baoli | irenab, I havent heard anything yet? | 13:30 |
| sadasu | then can i quickly get my question answered by rkukura? | 13:30 |
| irenab | sadsu: may I have few moremins for next step? | 13:31 |
| baoli | I sent request to the mailing list and John | 13:31 |
| irenab | I just need to go in few mins | 13:31 |
| sadasu | irenab: go ahead | 13:31 |
| irenab | I wanted to suggest that although the chances to get nova part in time are very low, to try to progress with all relevant parts and at least have reference end to end code working | 13:33 |
| baoli | irenab, I agree with you thats the plan. | 13:33 |
| rkukura | irenab: I have a call with markmcclain today and will ask about the blocked status on your BP, and see if I can get that cleared up | 13:33 |
| irenab | then we will be able to come to Juno release with POC in all components and make every discussion or bp very concrete | 13:33 |
| sadasu | can we post draft code changes even without BP being approved? | 13:33 |
| sadasu | this is for baoli's nova code | 13:34 |
| irenab | I guess so, it will be just delayed with reviews | 13:34 |
| rkukura | I believe sgordon is working to recruit nova cores to review patches | 13:34 |
| sgordon | rkukura, correct | 13:34 |
| baoli | Only in the nova part, I'm not sure if we can get what we want on time | 13:34 |
| irenab | baoli: I think at least we will have some code to apply and run, and make it fully functional in Juno | 13:35 |
| sgordon | sadasu, i think you can post it as draft | 13:35 |
| baoli | I need to work with Yunhong/yongli for that. Or I can work out something for the time being myself | 13:35 |
| sgordon | sadasu, it makes it easier for me to recruit 2 core for you if i can say "look patches!" | 13:35 |
| sadasu | sgordon: ok | 13:35 |
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| baoli | sgordon, that's great | 13:36 |
| sgordon | russellb, does that seem like the right approach to you ^ | 13:36 |
| sgordon | i think we can assume that for now and move on | 13:37 |
| baoli | rkukura, irenab, going back to the multiprovidernet extension for a minute | 13:37 |
| rkukura | baoli: ok | 13:37 |
| baoli | I think that it shouldn't affect sriov for the time being. | 13:37 |
| baoli | I asked Kyle about it | 13:38 |
| baoli | And he said the use case for now is the vxlan support | 13:38 |
| baoli | And I don't think that we will have vxlan support with sriov in near future | 13:38 |
| irenab | sorry, I have to go, will look into logs. sadasu, lets exchange emails to see regarding neutron generic SRIOV if needed | 13:38 |
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| sadasu | irenab: thanks. will do. | 13:39 |
| rkukura | baoli: Is the plan for the nova scheduling filter to use the neutron API to get the provider details to find the physical_network for which SR-IOV connectivity is needed? | 13:39 |
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| baoli | rkukura, no. The plan for the time being is for the MD to fill up the field in binding:profile. The field was named as pci-flaovr, which is not appropriate. | 13:40 |
| baoli | But let's say we have a field called net-group | 13:41 |
| baoli | and MD can put the physical net name for now. | 13:41 |
| baoli | nova api gets this infor after performing a query to neutron, and construct a pci request in the form "net-group: physical net name" | 13:42 |
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| rkukura | baoli: We don't have a bound MD until after the nova scheduler has made its decision and binding:host_id has been set on the port by nova. | 13:43 |
| baoli | The pci request later is used by the scheduler to schedule the instance | 13:43 |
| rkukura | Once we have a bound MD, it can put the physical_network name and/or net-group, or whatever, into binding:profile for the nova VIF driver to use | 13:43 |
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| baoli | rkukura, how is the decision made on which MD should be bound? | 13:44 |
| rkukura | but it can't do that until port binding has occurred, which cannot occur until binding:host_id has been set by nova, which cannot occur until nova has scheduled the VM | 13:44 |
| rkukura | "port binding" refers to selecting the bound MD | 13:45 |
| rkukura | port binding is triggered by the setting of the binding:host_id attribute by nova | 13:45 |
| baoli | rkukura, are you saying that a mechanism driver won't be invoked until binding:host_id is set? | 13:46 |
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| rkukura | So don't we need some way to ensure that nova schedules the VM on a compute node with an available VF for an SR-IOV device connected to the proper physical_network? | 13:47 |
| rkukura | baoli: yes | 13:47 |
| rkukura | baoli: sort of - there won't be a bound MD until binding:host_id is set, and its the bound MD that supplies binding:vif_type and soon binding:vif_details | 13:47 |
| rkukura | several lines above I said binding:profile when I meant binding:vif_details | 13:48 |
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| baoli | rkukura, all we need is the physical net name. Let's say that by the time nova api queries neutron with a port-id, neutron should be able to return the network details which includes the physical net name, right? | 13:49 |
| baoli | which means, even if we can't get it from vif_details, we can get it from the nuetron network details. | 13:50 |
| sadasu | physical net name should be part of binding:vif_details | 13:50 |
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| rkukura | baoli: nova could use the providernet and/or multiprovidernet extension to find out what physical_network(s) can be used for the port | 13:50 |
| baoli | rkukura, yes if we made the assumption. | 13:51 |
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| baoli | rkukura, another possibility is that we can use an extra argument something like --pci-flavor (--net-group). But I'm hesitating to go there because it will provoke another set of debates on pci-flavor, naming, etc. | 13:52 |
| rkukura | baoli: This extra argument idea is a --nic option with nova, right? | 13:53 |
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| baoli | rkukura, neutron port-create --binding:net-group <> --binding:vnic_type <> and/or nova boot --nic vnic_type=<>,net-group=<> | 13:54 |
| rkukura | I think I've been hearing two other ways to solve the scheduling issue other than an extra nova boot argument: 1) have user specify a VM flavor or host_aggregate that is known to have the needed SR-IOV connnectivity, or 2) implement a nova scheduler filter that uses the providernet and/or multiprovidernet extension to see what SR-IOV connectivity is needed and filter based on that. | 13:56 |
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| baoli | rkukura, we had lengthy discussion with 1) | 13:57 |
| baoli | for 2), is that what we are trying to do for the time being? | 13:57 |
| sadasu | rkukura: exactly...looked at 1 for a while...did not look too much into 2 | 13:57 |
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| rkukura | Lets call baoli's 3) implement a nova scheduler filter that uses the net-group value passed with --nic | 13:59 |
| sadasu | simplified version of 2 | 14:00 |
| rkukura | I apologize that I've never managed to systematically sort through the history of these discussions and figure out which options are still on the table. | 14:00 |
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| russellb | need the channel for the next meeting :) | 14:01 |
| baoli | rkukura, for the time being, the assmuption is that the pci whitelist will be tagged with the correct physical net name. | 14:01 |
| rkukura | Are these three options the ones that have been discussed, and are any off the table? | 14:01 |
| baoli | ok | 14:01 |
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| baoli | rkukura, let's continue in a different channel since people are waiting for this one | 14:02 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 14:02:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-06-13.00.html | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-06-13.00.txt | 14:02 |
| rkukura | baoli: OK, should I send an email to the list with those 3 options and we can identify pros/cons and narrow it down? | 14:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-06-13.00.log.html | 14:02 |
| russellb | thanks! | 14:02 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 14:02:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:02 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:02 |
| hartsocks | \o | 14:02 |
| russellb | hi everyone! | 14:02 |
| PhilD | Hi | 14:02 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:02 |
| russellb | #topic general | 14:02 |
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| russellb | first, the schedule | 14:03 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 14:03 |
| baoli | rkukura, #openstack-meeting is open now | 14:03 |
| russellb | blueprint approval deadline was this week | 14:03 |
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| russellb | code for blueprints must be posted in 2 weeks from today | 14:03 |
| russellb | i3 quickly closing in on us, so be aware :) | 14:03 |
| russellb | other big thing ... nova meetup next week | 14:04 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/IcehouseCycleMeetup | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 14:04 |
| russellb | if you have any questions, let me know | 14:04 |
| russellb | we've been collecting topics on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-icehouse-mid-cycle-meetup-items | 14:04 |
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| russellb | i'm going to start organizing that into a very rough cut at schedule for some of the big things | 14:05 |
| n0ano | anyone know what time we start on Mon? | 14:05 |
| russellb | n0ano: 9am | 14:05 |
| n0ano | too civilized :-) | 14:05 |
| russellb | i'm not a great morning person | 14:05 |
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| russellb | i want to tag specific big topics to cover in the mornings, at least | 14:05 |
| russellb | like, tasks ... want to see if we can bang through review/approval of design, at least | 14:06 |
| russellb | and finalizing plans for taking v3 to final | 14:06 |
| russellb | neutron interaction is another big one | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 for task discussion | 14:06 |
| russellb | process discussion would be another | 14:06 |
| russellb | so if you have any topic requests, please record them | 14:06 |
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| garyk | hi | 14:07 |
| ndipanov | russellb, in the etherpad? | 14:07 |
| russellb | ndipanov: yeah etherpad | 14:07 |
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| russellb | we can discuss more in open discussion if we have time | 14:07 |
| russellb | #topic sub-teams | 14:07 |
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| hartsocks | \0 | 14:07 |
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| * n0ano gantt | 14:07 | |
| russellb | hartsocks: you're up | 14:07 |
| * johnthetubaguy raises xenapi hand | 14:07 | |
| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NovaVMware/Minesweeper | 14:08 |
| hartsocks | Just a quick note there. The CI guys are putting notes on that Wiki. Some status update info is linked on that page as well. | 14:08 |
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| russellb | cool | 14:08 |
| russellb | do you have your tempest config published? | 14:08 |
| russellb | what tests you exclude, if any? | 14:09 |
| hartsocks | We had some infra trouble earlier in the week. And, we'll link that info and info about configs, excludes etc. on that wiki. | 14:09 |
| garyk | features that are not supported are not tested - for example security groups | 14:09 |
| * russellb nods | 14:09 | |
| mriedem | hartsocks: gary: i'd like to see more vmware people scoring on this before the rest of us are approving it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70137/ | 14:09 |
| russellb | just would be good to have that reference, i think all the driver CI systems should | 14:09 |
| garyk | mriedem: sure | 14:10 |
| mriedem | it kind of blew up | 14:10 |
| mriedem | and it's blocking your other fixees | 14:10 |
| garyk | mriedem: what do you mean it blew up? | 14:10 |
| hartsocks | we are going to go through a set of reviews as a team. | 14:10 |
| mriedem | just got bigger than the oriinal couple of patch sets | 14:10 |
| mriedem | lots of back and forth between vmware people it seemed | 14:10 |
| mriedem | so i'm waiting for that to settle before getting back on it | 14:11 |
| garyk | mriedem: correct - it was a result of comments on the patch sets | 14:11 |
| mriedem | yeah, i know | 14:11 |
| garyk | mriedem: understood | 14:11 |
| garyk | if possible i'd lile to talk about the deferral of the image - caching | 14:11 |
| garyk | i sent a mail to the list. not sure if you guys have seen it. not sure whu it was pushed out of I? the code has been reasy since december | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: blueprint wasn't approved I guess? | 14:12 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: bp was apporved | 14:12 |
| russellb | if it was approved, then i shouldn't have deferred it | 14:12 |
| russellb | link? | 14:12 |
| russellb | i didn't think it was | 14:12 |
| garyk | it was then pending a BP that was partially implemented and the proposer of the BP went missing | 14:13 |
| garyk | sec | 14:13 |
| garyk | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=vmware-image-cache-management | 14:13 |
| russellb | not approved | 14:13 |
| russellb | "Review" | 14:13 |
| garyk | it was approved then move due to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-image-cache-handlers which is completely unrelated | 14:14 |
| garyk | so what do we need to move from review to approved? this is a parity feature. as part i implemned the generic aging code | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think I stated it need more info for the docs team, or something like that? | 14:15 |
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| russellb | the reason i put it in "Review" originally was i wanted the plan to be around making existing code generic where possible | 14:15 |
| russellb | and i never got back to review it again | 14:15 |
| russellb | looks like johnthetubaguy also wanted docs added | 14:15 |
| russellb | but perhaps more as a note before code merges | 14:15 |
| garyk | russellb: thanks for the clarification. basically it is exactly the same as libvirts aging. no new config var. | 14:15 |
| russellb | sharing some code now? | 14:16 |
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| russellb | where it makes sense? | 14:16 |
| garyk | can you please clarify what i need to add? | 14:16 |
| russellb | or did it just end up being sharing config? | 14:16 |
| garyk | the code that is possible to share is shared. can you please look at the mail on the list. i guess we can take it from there | 14:16 |
| russellb | heh ok if you wish, i mean you have my attention now | 14:17 |
| russellb | anyway it's probably fine | 14:17 |
| garyk | the config is the same as libvirts. the aging is just implemented in the driver - based on the generic code | 14:17 |
| russellb | ok. | 14:17 |
| russellb | anything else on vmware? | 14:17 |
| hartsocks | We could go on about our BP? :-) | 14:17 |
| garyk | i do not want to take too much of the meeting time and i think i interupted theminesweepd update | 14:17 |
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| russellb | hartsocks: open discussion if you'd like | 14:18 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: let's talk xenapi | 14:18 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: i'm very interested to check in on CI status ... | 14:18 |
| BobBall | I'll talk to that. CI is annoyingly close. | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: go for it | 14:18 |
| BobBall | Our initial efforts were on getting something integrated with the -infra stuff | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | the key thing for me, is that we are putting for an external system now, since -infra stuff has stalled I guess? | 14:19 |
| BobBall | and we've got a bunch of patches up to enable that - but getting review time on that has been tricky | 14:19 |
| BobBall | For the last two? weeks we've been focused on setting up our own 3rd party system rather than using -infra | 14:19 |
| russellb | yeah they've been pretty slammed | 14:19 |
| BobBall | which is annoying close | 14:19 |
| BobBall | Got nodepool running and deploying xenserver nodes and another script that runs the tests on them | 14:20 |
| russellb | any timeframe for turning it on? | 14:20 |
| BobBall | joining the dots ATM | 14:20 |
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| BobBall | I'f you'd asked me at the beginning of this week I would have said "Friday" ;) | 14:20 |
| BobBall | So it really could be any day now. | 14:20 |
| russellb | how about confidence level that you'll have it running by icehouse-3? | 14:20 |
| BobBall | High | 14:20 |
| russellb | ok, great | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have tempest running outside of the automation right? | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | and seen it run in VMs that nodepool should be creating | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so it really is just joining the dots now, we hope | 14:21 |
| BobBall | We have full tempest running + passing in VMs in RAX using the -infra scripts | 14:21 |
| BobBall | yes, indeed. | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, so almost, but no cigar | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats all from xenapi | 14:22 |
| russellb | ok, well cutting it close | 14:22 |
| russellb | but sounds like good progress | 14:22 |
| BobBall | Too close, yes :/ | 14:22 |
| russellb | while we're still on driver CI ... hyper-v CI caught a bug yesterday, so that was cool to see | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, aimed for gate integrated, and that gamble didn't quite work this time, but at least thats much closer for Juno | 14:22 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: great goal though | 14:22 |
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| russellb | johnthetubaguy: bet you can get more attention early cycle | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, should be awesome soon :) | 14:23 |
| BobBall | So, yes, we distracted ourselves from integration to get the 3rd party stuff working so we don't miss the Icehouse deadline. | 14:23 |
| russellb | sounds like a good plan | 14:23 |
| russellb | n0ano: alright, gantt / scheduler stuff | 14:23 |
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| n0ano | tnx, couple of things... | 14:23 |
| russellb | n0ano: i saw your mail about devstack support, i assumed that means devstack support merged? | 14:23 |
| n0ano | russellb, yep, it's there and I sent an email out on how to configure it (with a typo that just got corrected) | 14:24 |
| russellb | great | 14:24 |
| n0ano | couple of things from the meeting... | 14:24 |
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| n0ano | no_db scheduler - still working on it, turn out removing the compute_node table from the DB is harder than originally thought but they'll get it eventually | 14:25 |
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| russellb | it's starting to feel a bit risky for icehouse anyway | 14:25 |
| russellb | not sure how others feel about it ... | 14:25 |
| russellb | but massive architectural change to critical component better early in the cycle than toward the end | 14:25 |
| n0ano | for icehouse - as an option maybe, not as a default I hope | 14:25 |
| russellb | ok, perhaps | 14:26 |
| russellb | guess i was assuming we'd do it as *the* way it works | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | what about a little caching, that gets no db during a user call to the scheduler? | 14:26 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: your bp? | 14:26 |
| * johnthetubaguy feels dirty for plugging his patch | 14:26 | |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah... | 14:26 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: i was going to say, i think that got deferred, but based on your description, i'd be happy to sponsor it | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67855/ | 14:26 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: because your approach sounds simple / low risk | 14:27 |
| n0ano | I think the current plan is a a complete cut to the no_db way, but if you think there's a way to stepwise develop that would be good | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that one is approved, for a single host solution | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | it just races with multiple hosts | 14:27 |
| garyk | i have a few issues with that one when the scheduling deals with data that is not homgenous, but we can take it offline | 14:27 |
| russellb | n0ano: i'm not sure there's a sane way to make it optional | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need to find one, I had a rough idea, but now is not the time | 14:27 |
| n0ano | russellb, note I said `if', I not sure there's a way either. | 14:27 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: ah, you approved it yourself :-p | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically status update from compute, and stats fetch driver | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: yeah, probably... | 14:28 |
| russellb | that's fine, in this case anyway, heh | 14:28 |
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| russellb | i guess we can leave the full no_db thing targeted for now | 14:29 |
| russellb | but the closer we get, the less comfortable i will be with it merging | 14:29 |
| russellb | we'll see | 14:29 |
| n0ano | anyway, we also had a bit of a debate about scheduler request rate vs. compute node update rate, I don't expect that to be resolved until we have a working no_db scheduler with performance numbers. | 14:29 |
| russellb | yes, performance numbers are key | 14:30 |
| n0ano | code forklift - devstack changes merged in, still working on getting the pass the unit test changes merged | 14:30 |
| mspreitz | the debate was about how those things scale | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, performance testing show the complex cache didn't work, so I stripped it down to what is up for review now | 14:30 |
| * n0ano fighting gerrit gets interesting | 14:30 | |
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| russellb | so on the forklift, couple of things | 14:30 |
| russellb | 1) i responded to your devstack message with some next steps on getting gate testing running | 14:31 |
| russellb | i'd love to see an experimental job against nova that runs tempest with gantt instead of nova-scheduler | 14:31 |
| russellb | it's not actually that much work, just the right tweaks in the right places | 14:31 |
| n0ano | saw that, after the unit test patches are in I intend to work on that | 14:31 |
| russellb | OK great | 14:31 |
| russellb | ok, the unit test patches .... | 14:31 |
| russellb | my only issue was whether or not we should be including scheduler/rpcapi.py | 14:31 |
| russellb | longer term, that needs to be in its own repo | 14:32 |
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| garyk | we also need to have the scheduler to use objects | 14:32 |
| russellb | we could merge it now, and do that later, but that makes the change history against the current gantt more complicated to replay on regenerating the repo later | 14:32 |
| n0ano | russellb, yeah, I think I dealt with that this morning but, due to gate testing, I had to add that file in the first patch and then delete it in the second | 14:32 |
| garyk | if the scheduler uses objects then the foklift will be a lot easier in the long run and it will be backward compatiable with nova | 14:32 |
| garyk | it will help with the database parts | 14:33 |
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| russellb | anyone working on that? | 14:33 |
| n0ano | garyk we're just doing what the current scheduler does | 14:33 |
| garyk | objects? | 14:33 |
| garyk | i started. initial patches git blocked | 14:33 |
| garyk | i need to go back and speak with dan smith about those | 14:33 |
| russellb | n0ano: ok i'll review again today to see what you updatec | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | as an aside, I guess the scheduler rpcapi and cells rpcapi both need to become public APIs, similar issues | 14:34 |
| russellb | why cells? | 14:35 |
| n0ano | btw, I'm not too worried about regenerating, now that I've done it once the second time should be easier, even if the history is a little convoluted | 14:35 |
| russellb | in the scheduler case, it's just the public API to gantt | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | cells, we wanted to make that public, so people can plug in there too | 14:36 |
| russellb | ah, i see ... | 14:36 |
| russellb | i think the public part would be the manager side, right? | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | but lets ignore that comment for now… its irrelevant really | 14:36 |
| russellb | ok :) | 14:37 |
| russellb | related: i want to talk about the future of cells next week | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, possibly | 14:37 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 14:37 |
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| russellb | bug day tomorrow! | 14:37 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026320.html | 14:37 |
| russellb | thanks johnthetubaguy for putting message together | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | np | 14:37 |
| russellb | shall we just collaborate in #openstack-nova? | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think that works best | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | people spot its happening that way | 14:38 |
| russellb | agreed | 14:38 |
| russellb | 196 new bugs | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, thats under the 200 we had before | 14:38 |
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| russellb | yeah, someone(s) have been working on it apparently :) | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | email works, who knew | 14:39 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: :-) | 14:39 |
| russellb | i'll be very pleased if we can hit 150 tomorrow | 14:39 |
| russellb | and i'll buy cake if we hit 100 | 14:39 |
| russellb | or something | 14:39 |
| a-gorodnev | beer | 14:39 |
| garyk | russellb: are you talking about triage or fixes? | 14:39 |
| n0ano | a-gorodnev, +1 | 14:40 |
| russellb | triage | 14:40 |
| russellb | fixes are great too of course | 14:40 |
| russellb | but we have to stay on top of triage to make sure we're catching the most critical reports and getting attention on them | 14:40 |
| garyk | ack | 14:40 |
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| russellb | so we'll talk bugs tomorrow ... so on for now | 14:40 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 14:40 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 14:41 |
| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 14:41 |
| russellb | my biggest ask right now is to please make sure the status is accurate on your blueprints | 14:41 |
| russellb | because it's honestly too many for me to keep on top of and keep updated | 14:41 |
| mriedem | jog0 has a tool scanning those now | 14:41 |
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| russellb | mriedem: nice | 14:41 |
| russellb | script all the things | 14:41 |
| mriedem | patches with unapproved/wrong blueprint links | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, I should try get hold of that | 14:42 |
| russellb | time to bring out the -2 hammer | 14:42 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: :-) | 14:42 |
| mriedem | status? | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going to take on keeping the blueprints honest, I will try do a loop through those soon | 14:42 |
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| russellb | johnthetubaguy: hugely appreciated | 14:42 |
| russellb | and this is another big topic for next week ... revisiting our process around blueprints | 14:42 |
| mriedem | i wanted to point out that i've got my patches up for db2 support after working out the kinks locally, but of course it's going to be blocked on CI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69047/ | 14:43 |
| mriedem | which is on hold until after the chinese new year... | 14:43 |
| garyk | would it be possible for you guys to review BP's next week - implementations that is | 14:43 |
| russellb | garyk: some i'm sure | 14:43 |
| russellb | mriedem: CI? | 14:43 |
| garyk | if there are a lot of people in the same room then it can be done in groups | 14:43 |
| mriedem | 3rd party CI with a db2 backend | 14:43 |
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| mriedem | that was contingent on the blueprint | 14:44 |
| russellb | mriedem: yeah, that's going to be a blocker ... but if it's running in time, ping | 14:44 |
| mriedem | i don't have high hopes... | 14:44 |
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| russellb | k, well saves me from having to break bad news to you then, you're fully aware :) | 14:44 |
| mriedem | i've already been setting low expectations internally :) | 14:44 |
| russellb | the next cut on the icehouse-3 list is stuff still "not started" | 14:45 |
| russellb | PhilD: you have one "Not Started" | 14:45 |
| russellb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/tenant-id-based-auth-for-neutron | 14:45 |
| russellb | not sure assignees of the others are here | 14:45 |
| PhilD | Code is up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69972/ | 14:46 |
| russellb | heh, k | 14:46 |
| * russellb sets needs review | 14:46 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so I will try make sure we have all the stats straight on those, I see joe's tool now | 14:46 |
| PhilD | thanks | 14:46 |
| russellb | there's probably some that are dead | 14:46 |
| russellb | abandoned patches that haven't been touched in weeks | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | also, abandoned patches, etc, should get detected | 14:47 |
| russellb | should just defer those too | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:47 |
| russellb | need to aggressively prune this list toward reality | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | time to deploy some scripting! | 14:47 |
| russellb | wheeee | 14:48 |
| russellb | the blueprint API is not great. | 14:48 |
| a-gorodnev | I'm interested in one BP that hasn't be approved | 14:48 |
| russellb | better than screen scraping | 14:48 |
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| russellb | a-gorodnev: which one is that | 14:48 |
| a-gorodnev | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/glance-snapshot-tasks | 14:48 |
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| a-gorodnev | there tons of text there | 14:48 |
| a-gorodnev | but nothing special | 14:48 |
| russellb | yeah that's not going to happen | 14:49 |
| a-gorodnev | I understand that it's already too late | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | we already delete snapshots that error out, so we are doing better now | 14:49 |
| a-gorodnev | of course, the target is ouf of i3 | 14:50 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 14:50 |
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| russellb | 10 minutes to go, can talk blueprints or anything else | 14:50 |
| mriedem | any major gate blockers? | 14:51 |
| mriedem | this week seems quiet except for the one alexpilottie pointed out yesterday | 14:51 |
| ndipanov | russellb, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49395/ it's been sitting there for months, and is a nice fix | 14:52 |
| mriedem | which reminds me to check if that quieted another one down | 14:52 |
| ndipanov | probably needs a rebase tho | 14:52 |
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| russellb | mriedem: yeah, we reverted it ... | 14:52 |
| russellb | i saw one gate bug related to shelving? though the timeframe sounded like it was probably caused by the same thing alex reverted yesterday | 14:52 |
| mriedem | russellb: that's what i needed to correlate today | 14:53 |
| mriedem | because yeah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71105/ | 14:53 |
| mriedem | the shelving fail and the nwfilter in use fail show up around the same time | 14:53 |
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| russellb | k let me know what you find | 14:53 |
| mriedem | yar! | 14:53 |
| mriedem | ah cool, looks like that revert fixed the nwfilter in use fail | 14:54 |
| russellb | cool, makes sense | 14:54 |
| mriedem | the patch that won't go away :) | 14:55 |
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| sahid | :) | 14:55 |
| mriedem | trends look the same with the shelving error, so must have been the root cause | 14:56 |
| mriedem | jog0 was right! | 14:56 |
| garyk | ndipanov: i had some comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49395/ | 14:57 |
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| russellb | alright, well thanks for your time everyone | 14:57 |
| russellb | bye! | 14:57 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 14:57:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-02-06-14.02.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-02-06-14.02.txt | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-02-06-14.02.log.html | 14:57 |
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| ndipanov | garyk, ooops... -1 the patch in that case... don't be nice :) | 14:58 |
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| ndipanov | garyk, I don't get the , vs % comment? | 14:59 |
| garyk | ndipanov: i think that when they are nits i'd rather give a 0 | 15:00 |
| garyk | my understanding is that fo rthe log messages we should use the , and not pass the translations by % into the logging modules | 15:00 |
| garyk | hope that makes sense | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 15:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| ndipanov | garyk, ah yes | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello guys | 15:01 |
| scottda | Hi | 15:01 |
| ndipanov | well those are all easy to fix so no big deal | 15:01 |
| aostapenko | Hello | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:01 |
| csaba|afk | hello | 15:01 |
| ndn9797 | Hi.. | 15:01 |
| bill_az | Hi | 15:01 |
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| yportnova | hi | 15:01 |
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| achirko | hello | 15:02 |
| bswartz | wow lots of people here today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | that's good | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | and I'm glad freenode got over the DDoS attack from last weekend -- that was annoying | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | I don't suppose we have rraja here today | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | did all of you see his email? | 15:03 |
| scottda | yes | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I'd like to spend some time talking about taht | 15:04 |
| csaba | #link http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/15983 | 15:04 |
| bswartz | csaba: ty! | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I'd also like to revisit the neutron/nova/service VM networking stuff | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | it will matter even more for the gateway-mediated stuff than for the generic driver I think | 15:05 |
| bswartz | but first | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: do you have updates like usual? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Bugfixing. | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | Main forces were directed to bugfixing this week. Bugs for share networks available on launchpad. | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 2) BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/share-network-activation-api | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71497/ (client) | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | TODO: server side implementation | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | Generic driver - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67182/ | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | Some improvements. Now, it works much faster using python paramiko module for ssh instead using venv with ssh client... | 15:07 |
| bswartz | let's talk about (2) briefly | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | the idea behind the share network activation API is that under the original design, we didnt' actually create a vserver until the first share was created | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | ok, anyone have questions about bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/share-network-activation-api ? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | this API allows us to create it early -- which is good for stuff like validating the parameters that were passed in when the share network was created | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | Can I assume everything thinks that's a good thing? | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | everyone? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | okay silence is consent | 15:09 |
| bswartz | anyone who wants to provide review input to the generic driver, now is the time | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I want to merge this in the next week | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we too | 15:11 |
| bswartz | note that we may still modify it in the future -- in particular we may do some of the things rraja suggests | 15:11 |
| aostapenko | unittests are in progress, and there will be some minor changes | 15:11 |
| bswartz | but with I-3 coming I want to have feature completeness for at least a few drivers | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | also, want to remind, that generic driver still requires lightweight image with nfs and samba services for generic driver | 15:12 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: where is that list of requirements documented? | 15:12 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: I'm doing some work in that direction | 15:12 |
| aostapenko | bswartz: I think that we should merge what we have now, and then make some changes | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we haven't documented such stuff | 15:13 |
| csaba | hopefully I can present next week | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: thanks | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | let's write down a list of all of the things the generic driver will depend on from the glance image | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | obviously an SSH server is required, as well nfs-kernel-server and samba | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | does it matter if it's samba3 or samba4? | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | are there any other subtle requirements? does the image need cloud-init? | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | image should have server and client sides for NFS and Samba | 15:15 |
| bswartz | why would the image need NFS/samba clients? | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | because this image can be used as client VM image for mounting shares | 15:15 |
| bswartz | what shares would it mount? | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | unified for both purposes | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | manila's shares | 15:15 |
| bswartz | oh you mean rraja's ideas? | 15:15 |
| aostapenko | it requires cloud init for key injection, but we have alter auth thru password | 15:15 |
| bswartz | let's hold off on the gateway stuff -- I just want to document what's required for the generic driver | 15:16 |
| aostapenko | we do not need samba/nfs clients | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I mean use case, not only creation of share, but using it too. On client's VM | 15:16 |
| bswartz | there will be additional requirements if we also use these images as gateways | 15:16 |
| bswartz | yes but the client VMs will be some other glance image | 15:17 |
| bswartz | and those images will be tenant-owned | 15:17 |
| bswartz | this image will be admin-owned | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, it is in wishlist | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:18 |
| bswartz | #topic networking | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | so we were able to make the generic driver work with separate networks last week | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | each service VM gets its own service network, and the network is joined to the tenant network with a virtual router | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | I'm pretty satisfied that this approach works, but the downside is that we use up 8 IPs (a /29 CIDR) for every service VM | 15:20 |
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| aostapenko | bswartz: we can even use clusters in service subnet in future | 15:21 |
| bswartz | also there's a small chance that the IP we choose for any given service VM conflicts with something in the tenant's universe | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I'm still interested in putting the service VMs directly on the tenant networks if/when we can solve the issues currently preventing that | 15:22 |
| bswartz | scottda: did you discover anything new since last week? | 15:22 |
| scottda | Nothing earth-shattering... | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | scotta: do you just want to share with the team what we discussed last week | 15:22 |
| scottda | The Neutron people have the idea of a Distributed Virtual Router (DVR) | 15:22 |
| scottda | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:23 |
| aostapenko | bswartz: not only tenant universe, cloud universe, because tenants networks can be connected | 15:23 |
| scottda | They are actively working on this, but don't expect it to be in in Icehouse. Probably will be this summer. | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | aostapenko: yes but openstack already manages IPs for the whole cloud -- what it doesn't control is what the tenant connects in from the outside world | 15:24 |
| scottda | It will do VM-to-VM intra-tenant routing, but for inter-tenant it will still go out to a Network node. It will have slightly better performance, but not quite what manila wants. | 15:24 |
| bswartz | performance is on motivation | 15:24 |
| bswartz | s/ on/ one/ | 15:25 |
| scottda | With the proper champion to write the code and push the blueprint, the DVR can, and probably some day will, be enhanced to have a VM-to-VM intra-tenant connectivity option. But that is in the future. | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | but for me the main thing is that hardware-based drivers will actually be able to directly join tenant networks, and it seems better for the generic driver to have the same behavior -- if only for consistency and common testing | 15:26 |
| scottda | That is the synopsis | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | thanks scottda | 15:27 |
| bswartz | so the plan here is -- we're going to continue with aostapenko's approach of creating a /29 for each instance of the generic driver | 15:27 |
| bswartz | however we're going to monitor neutron to see if they give us a better alternative in the future | 15:28 |
| achirko | people in Neutron are also working on Service VM infrastructure - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adv-services-in-vms | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #topic gateway-mediated | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gateway-mediated (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:29 | |
| aostapenko | bswartz: we can even extend to /28 if we want to launch clusters of service vms | 15:29 |
| bswartz | achirko: that's also very interesting to me | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I should probalby join some neutron meetings and +1000 that BP | 15:29 |
| achirko | we can get some feedback from them on our approach, but it probably will slow down Generic Driver delivery | 15:30 |
| bswartz | achirko: we don't need to slow down anything -- we can go forward with the current approach | 15:30 |
| vbellur | bswartz: all of us could probably +1000 that :) | 15:30 |
| bswartz | achirko: if this BP happens we can go back and update | 15:30 |
| bswartz | okay we're on a new topic though | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and since we still don't have rraja, I'll drive | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | so I'll repost the link | 15:31 |
| bswartz | #link http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/15983 | 15:31 |
| csaba | I can talk on behalf of rraja | 15:31 |
| bswartz | oh okay | 15:31 |
| bswartz | csaba: take it away! | 15:32 |
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| csaba | well the basic idea is that if we think of various storage backends | 15:32 |
| csaba | ie. there is Cinder as with generic driver, there could be lvm, ganesha, gluster-nfs whatnot... | 15:33 |
| csaba | which are implemented or wip as single tenant drives | 15:34 |
| csaba | *drivers | 15:34 |
| csaba | running on hypervisor | 15:34 |
| csaba | now what they would do in a generic driver like architecture | 15:34 |
| csaba | is not much different | 15:34 |
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| csaba | just their activity wouild have to lifted to the service VM | 15:35 |
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| csaba | so what we thought, if the archictecture could be split to a backend exporter and a network plumbing component... | 15:36 |
| bswartz | okay so let me summarize and see if I'm off base | 15:36 |
| csaba | then it would be easy to leverage those other efforts tand use in a multi-tenant way | 15:36 |
| bswartz | we could implement gateway-mediated access with the following: | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | 1) add a network connection from the generic driver's service VM to the backend storage network | 15:37 |
| bswartz | 2) add filesystem clients to the service VM | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | 3) implement the backend to just serve filesystems to a single storage network | 15:38 |
| bswartz | 4) bridge the backend filesystem onto the tenant network using an NFS server in the server VM, either ganesha-nfs or nfs-kernel-server | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | is that it? | 15:39 |
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| csaba | what you mean by 3) | 15:40 |
| csaba | "single storage network"? | 15:40 |
| vbellur | that sounds right to me | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I think the same thing you meant by (10:33:59 AM) csaba: which are implemented or wip as single tenant drives | 15:41 |
| csaba | ah OK | 15:41 |
| csaba | fine | 15:41 |
| bswartz | the backends for the gateway-mediated mode wouldn't need to understand tenants really | 15:41 |
| bswartz | because the VMs would do that translation | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | okay so I'd like to have some discussion on the difference between ganesha-nfs and nfs-kernel-server in this context | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | does redhat have a preference? | 15:42 |
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| scottda | +1 to flexibility in choice of NFS server | 15:43 |
| csaba | well point in ganesha is having pluggable storage backends | 15:43 |
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| csaba | but then kernel nfs is more mature / known ... so it's really good to allow a choiec | 15:44 |
| bswartz | hmm | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I kind of don't like giving users an option here | 15:45 |
| bswartz | it seems like supporting both will double the testing effort and chances for bugs | 15:45 |
| bswartz | it would be better to agree on one and implement that i think | 15:45 |
| bswartz | ofc that wouldn't stop someone from also adding a patch to support the other -- but I feel like we should have a recommended approach | 15:45 |
| csaba | well we don't need support both | 15:46 |
| csaba | one can be chosen as supported... down the road | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | so what I'm asking is, do you have a preference at this time? | 15:46 |
| vbellur | bswartz: how do we have nfs-kernel-server reach out to various storage backends? | 15:46 |
| csaba | point is to ease development efforts... for various multi-tenant pocs | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | vbellur I think nfs-kernel-server layers ontop of VFS inside the Linux kernel, so any filesystem that has a kernel-mode driver will work underneath it | 15:47 |
| bswartz | if you cound FUSE as a kernel-mode driver than I think literally anything will work | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | s/cound/count/ | 15:48 |
| vbellur | bswartz: gluster does not have a kernel mode driver and the performance implications of a fuse mount being an export would be pretty bad | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | ah | 15:48 |
| bswartz | well that's a fairly good argument for preferring ganesha-nfs then | 15:49 |
| bswartz | esp if redhat wants to be the first working implementation of this mode | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | anyone see a serious downside to ganesha-nfs? | 15:49 |
| vbellur | bswartz: the very reason we implemented our own NFS server was due to severe performance implications that we experienced with exporting a fuse mount point. | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | addition +1 for ganesha can be its possibility to use over linux containers | 15:49 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: yes I was going to mention that too | 15:50 |
| vbellur | so can we have nfs-ganesha as the default for v1? | 15:51 |
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| vponomaryov | vbellur: does ganesha have stable releases for most of distros? | 15:52 |
| aostapenko | if we use lxc provided by nova, we could not launch other hypervisors vms in the case of single node instalation | 15:52 |
| bswartz | vbellur: yeah that works for me -- although that approach diverges a little more from teh generic driver than nfs-kernel-server would | 15:52 |
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| vbellur | vponomaryov: we have packages for CentOS & Fedora. We also can work with Ganesha community for other distros. | 15:53 |
| bswartz | aostapenko: I don't understand your comment | 15:53 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: he mant, that if we use LXC VMs, we can not use VMs with other hypervisors | 15:55 |
| bswartz | regarding package and distros, I see it as an administrator's job to provide the glance image that will become the service VM -- if RH-based distros are better suited to running gluster and ganesha then administrators will probably choose those | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | s/mant/meant/ | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | yeah LXC has various downsides which we discussed a few months ago | 15:55 |
| aostapenko | bswartz: but we should be able to launch other vms in cloud. not service | 15:55 |
| bswartz | but LXC has some very interesting advantages too -- I want to come back and look at LXC sometime | 15:56 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | okay anything else before our time is up? | 15:57 |
| aostapenko | bswartz: i had many exciting nights with lxc, it would be great for performance if we use it | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | aostapenko: lol | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | aostapenko: I know it has much lower overhead which is good for scalability in low-load situations | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | okay thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| vbellur | bswartz: thanks! | 15:59 |
| aostapenko | thanks, bye | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:59 |
| bswartz | see you next week | 15:59 |
| scottda | bye | 15:59 |
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| vbellur | bye all | 15:59 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| csaba | bye | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 15:59:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-06-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-06-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-06-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all | 16:05 |
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| banix | thinrichs: hi | 16:07 |
| alagalah | Hi all | 16:08 |
| banix | the meeting got cancelled for today; I sent out an email. | 16:08 |
| alagalah | Wasn't sure if we were meeting today | 16:08 |
| alagalah | banix: where did you send the email ? | 16:08 |
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| banix | Yeah people are at OD Summit .... | 16:08 |
| banix | Sent it to the dev mailing list | 16:09 |
| banix | tagged for group policy and neutron | 16:09 |
| alagalah | Ah ok... | 16:09 |
| alagalah | I only get digests of that, so will have to change that | 16:09 |
| alagalah | Have a good day | 16:09 |
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| banix | Are there things you guys want to discuss? I know we haven't got to discuss the conflict resolution stuff but hopefully by next week we will be back in regular schedule. | 16:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks, ping | 18:07 |
| tmckay | here | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | hello | 18:07 |
| bob_nettleton | here | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for a few mins | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, jspeidel, aignatov | 18:08 |
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| alazarev | o/ | 18:08 |
| aignatov | \o/ | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | lack of HWX folks | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 18:09:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | short update section | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ylobankov1, ping, | 18:09 |
| mattf | i caused some headaches by filing a bunch of blueprints <- count as an update? | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | could you please make a QA update? | 18:09 |
| ylobankov1 | I am here | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, it's an update for both of us :) | 18:10 |
| ylobankov1 | HDP plugin works with Heat | 18:10 |
| mattf | it looks like the cli is in place and supports --name, so we have a solid base for 0.5. i still need to fully vet an edp use case tho | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, I have a good news - now we have fully functional async GATE!! | 18:10 |
| aignatov | ylobankov1: cool, I saw SUCCEED | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, that's awsome! | 18:10 |
| crobertsrh | I've been working on streaming MapReduce in the dashboard. Along with a few bug fixes to a few bugs that have been around awhile. I have a question about one of them. | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I think that it could be released in 1-2 weeks | 18:11 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, awesome! | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean client 0.5.0 | 18:11 |
| mattf | re gate | 18:11 |
| aignatov | I'm worked all the week on the adding savanna resource to heat | 18:11 |
| bob_nettleton | I'm working on a separate task this week, so not much progress on the diskimage-builder images for HDP. I hope to submit a patch review within a week. | 18:11 |
| tmckay | modified java actions are finally rebased on something stable and pass jenkins/ci. Streaming mapreduce works through the api, but we are including dotted job types to better support the UI. | 18:11 |
| aignatov | prepared the first patch there | 18:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've sent the change introducing pecan/wsme stuff to start v2 api | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | me and ylobankov1 are working now on extending basic API tests to tempest | 18:11 |
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| sreshetnyak | i worked on the integration tests for IDH plugin | 18:12 |
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| mattf | update for venza - we have the beginnings of the spark contribution in the dib elements repo | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, great, looking forward for it | 18:12 |
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| aignatov | I hope to make series of 3 patches: cluster create on template, full cluster create with all fields and cluster update | 18:12 |
| mattf | NikitaKonovalov, i hope to try that out today/tomorrow | 18:12 |
| tmckay | I started reviewing the v2 API (CR and email thread) and want to discuss 'cancel' of a job during general topics | 18:12 |
| mattf | NikitaKonovalov, if you have any pointers that'll make it easier for me, i'm all ears | 18:12 |
| alazarev | I started investigation on what is needed to support hadoop 2.x | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, note that the v2 api CR is just an addition of framework with samples, not the new api :) | 18:13 |
| NikitaKonovalov | mattf, here is the link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63908/ | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, what's your estimate for cli stuff to be able to release 0.5.0 client and consume it everywhere? | 18:13 |
| tmckay | it's a target to shoot at :) | 18:13 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i'll check the bps again, but i think we have a good v0 of the cli now | 18:14 |
| mattf | or v11 is maybe a better way to put it | 18:14 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: I'd like to see full unit tests set for 0.5 release of savannaclient | 18:14 |
| aignatov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-savannaclient/+spec/python-savannaclient-unit-tests | 18:14 |
| tmckay | mattf, with the java action changes currently staged, we can drop "job_exec_data" from the client create() as long as we sync the merges between savanna api/UI and the client | 18:15 |
| mattf | crobertsrh, ^^ | 18:15 |
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| mattf | tmckay, i need to catch up on that, help me after this meeting? | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, I'm on it. | 18:15 |
| tmckay | mattf, sure. | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | I think I have that change ready to go. | 18:15 |
| tmckay | My plan was to start looking at cli tests this week, but I was mired in rebases | 18:16 |
| tmckay | Maybe now I have a chance | 18:16 |
| alazarev | I like how novaclient is tested by UT, probably we need to do the same thing | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, it sounds reasonable, but we have a good integration tests coverage for latest released version, probably, we should adopt the jobs to test client too | 18:16 |
| aignatov | News/updaes section of this meeting turned to General discussions :-) | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I'm not sure that we have enough bandwidth to resolve it before the mid of i3 | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and to the i3 dev status | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic i3 dev status | 18:17 |
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| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: I can make it possibly | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, It'll be great to have a first release of client with tests :) | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and probably enable support of py3k, I can help with it | 18:18 |
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| mattf | i'm still looking for +1s and +2s on the api endpoints - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70627/ | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folkd, please, take a look at https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/icehouse-3 and say what's missed | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | or what should be postponed so far | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, jspeidel, ping | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh | 18:19 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i'll review and make suggestions on #savanna later | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to ask all of us to check their blueprints statuses | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and if you're working on blueprint that isn't targeted to i3, please, ping me | 18:20 |
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| aignatov | hm, it seems already implemented https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/epd-data-source-existing-hadoop-cluster | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll enable soft feature freeze after i3 | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, agreed, both server side and dashboard side merged | 18:21 |
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| aignatov | sreshetnyak: here? | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | need to confirm it with Trevor and Chad | 18:21 |
| sreshetnyak | here | 18:21 |
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| aignatov | You was assigned on external hdfs. is it fully completed? | 18:22 |
| crobertsrh | I believe it is completed | 18:22 |
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| sreshetnyak | need to add integration tests | 18:23 |
| tmckay | I haven't used it for an external cluster, but I have run it with hdfs data sources on the same running cluster | 18:23 |
| mattf | +1.5 | 18:24 |
| aignatov | I ran it on external hdfs with earliest patches of this commit ;) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, I've mark it implemented | 18:24 |
| aignatov | it worked | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any questions? | 18:24 |
| aignatov | on my laptop ;-) | 18:24 |
| mattf | heh | 18:24 |
| mattf | +.5 | 18:24 |
| aignatov | matff, don't you trust my laptop? | 18:25 |
| tmckay | I think all my currently approved blueprints will be implemented very soon, with maybe the exception of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/edp-oozie-files-and-archives | 18:25 |
| tmckay | files and archives are not strictly necessary -- streaming mapreduce can use 'libs' to bundle files if a script needs to be uploaded | 18:26 |
| tmckay | but they would be nice on a long-running cluster | 18:26 |
| mattf | aignatov, just getting it to +2 | 18:27 |
| crobertsrh | I have a question regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1212354 It's a bug against the UI that happens when you empty out a parameter from the HDFS config tab for a cluster template (or probably most tabs). The client treats it as ok because the plugin returns a config set that sets those values as optional. Who would be the right person to talk to about this? | 18:27 |
| crobertsrh | I should say that the dashboard treats it as ok ^^^ | 18:29 |
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| mattf | jmaron, welcome | 18:29 |
| jmaron | sorry I'm late | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, hey, any updates? | 18:30 |
| jmaron | lost track of time... | 18:30 |
| mattf | all that time in the break room | 18:30 |
| jmaron | putting finishing touched on HDP 2 integration | 18:30 |
| jmaron | touches | 18:30 |
| jmaron | should have something for review today or tomorrow | 18:31 |
| jmaron | I'd like to commit an initial patch that addresses functionality | 18:31 |
| aignatov | crobertsrh: I'll try to take a look on this bug tomorrow | 18:31 |
| jmaron | with the understanding that there'll be a follow up commit with some needed refactorings | 18:31 |
| mattf | jmaron, you know i'm a fan of phasing changes | 18:32 |
| crobertsrh | aignatov: Thanks. Let me know what you think about it. I may be able to tweak the dashboard if necessary, but I think it would be rather ugly. | 18:32 |
| jmaron | I think doing the refactorings at this time will make the patch unwieldy… | 18:32 |
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| jmaron | so no comments about duplicate code ;) | 18:32 |
| mattf | fair enough | 18:33 |
| aignatov | crobertsrh: agreed, when I'll figure out whats happening I'll comment to the bug or to you in channel :) | 18:33 |
| crobertsrh | Sounds good | 18:33 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, btw, i'm eagerly awaiting your dib patches. are you planning to separate out the java & ssh elements at the same time? | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:35 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, not in the initial patch submission, but I do think it makes sense to break these out into common elements. My hope was to get the initial submission in, and then I could refactor the scripts once the common elements were available. | 18:35 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, should the refactoring bps be assigned to you? | 18:36 |
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| bob_nettleton | mattf, sure, that would be ok for now. if my task assignments change, we might need to re-assign, but I could certainly take a look at this. | 18:37 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, ok | 18:37 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, should the common elements go in DIB itself, or in savanna-image-elements? | 18:37 |
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| mattf | imho, we should try to get all our elements into dib itself. only truly general ones will make the cut. | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, I think the first step is complete them in s-i-e | 18:37 |
| mattf | so you can file a review against both. in the past i'ev filed against dib and when rejected filed against savanna | 18:38 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, mattf, ok, sounds fine. thanks! | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Project naming collision | 18:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there are some proposed options alreadt | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's continue discussion of new name in this etherpad | 18:39 |
| mattf | do we have a deadline? | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm thinking about setting up a voting to cut top XX options | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in 1-1.5 weeks | 18:39 |
| aignatov | we need much more proposed names | 18:40 |
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| mattf | we do | 18:40 |
| mattf | is openstack legal giving us a deadline? | 18:40 |
| aignatov | top XX means 20? | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to select the new name around the i3 | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I hope 5 | 18:40 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: did you ask about Savannah? | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, there is now hard deadline | 18:40 |
| mattf | are there milestones set, such as needing to be fully transitioned by i ga? | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, but if we'd like to graduate from the incubation :) | 18:41 |
| dmitryme | Hey, by the way, are you going to present all the options on the voting, or we will filter out some of them before? | 18:41 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, you speak the magic words... | 18:41 |
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| mattf | so we need to fully rename by I. we need to get through legal w/ the new name before we rename, and we need to prune the list before giving it to legal? | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, I'd like to have several iterations | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup | 18:42 |
| mattf | are there any estimates on how long renaming takes and how long legal needs? | 18:42 |
| dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov: yes, seems like a good idea. So at the first iteration we will review all the options and select, say 20 of them, right? | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, and it'll be the best option to have a new name around i3 == before the graduation review | 18:42 |
| aignatov | dmitryme: I guess so | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, <=1w for legals I hope, ~1-2w for renaming | 18:43 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, so i3 - legal time == our deadline | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, that's the best case | 18:43 |
| mattf | i just started soliciting names at rht, so i'd like to go on the 1.5-2wk for vote end | 18:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | i3 == Mar 6 | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have 4 w | 18:44 |
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| mattf | is legal going to output a single name or a further pruned list? | 18:45 |
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| mattf | ...do we need a second round of name voting... | 18:46 |
| aignatov | "noooo, please, please let's us leave our beautiful name Savanna..." - we will write to legals :) | 18:46 |
| mattf | aignatov, i'll +1 that name | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, legal could check a short list of names for us | 18:46 |
| mattf | so 4w - 1w voting round 2 - 1.5w legal - 1w voting round 1 == we need to start voting in a week. ok. | 18:47 |
| mattf | i retract my request for 2weeks, thx | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to start voting right after the next meeting | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably, we'll need to discuss something | 18:49 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: you mean first round of voting, right? | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'll setup up for a week, but if it'll collect enough votes, it could be ended earlier | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, yup | 18:49 |
| aignatov | ok | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | honestly, I don't see any good options now :( Savanna is too own... | 18:50 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | heh | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic General discussion | 18:50 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any questions/ideas? | 18:52 |
| mattf | aignatov, alazarev, tmckay, crobertsrh, any comments on the base v2 api? | 18:52 |
| tmckay | I would like to reconsider job "cancel" in v2 api | 18:52 |
| tmckay | The reason: | 18:52 |
| alazarev | mattf: looks good for me | 18:52 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh notes that job relaunch is implemented on the job executions tab | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, probably I missed it, but do you have any general api changes section? | 18:52 |
| mattf | tmckay, reconsider? nothing is decided on it atm, just not listed in base. | 18:52 |
| crobertsrh | I tend to agree with tmckay. | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, like don't include tenant-id to url? | 18:53 |
| tmckay | so, the use case is cancel a job, tweak the data or configs, and relaunch | 18:53 |
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| tmckay | mattf, my mistake. I thought missing meant gone :) | 18:53 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i focused on the endpoints | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, ok | 18:53 |
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| mattf | tmckay, so it's a stop + modify + restart use case? | 18:54 |
| aignatov | for long running jobs the 'cancel' operation is extremely needed | 18:54 |
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| tmckay | mattf, yes | 18:54 |
| mattf | aignatov, do you see cancel == stop ? | 18:54 |
| aignatov | yep, stop it running on cluster | 18:54 |
| mattf | aignatov, stop cluster or stop job? | 18:55 |
| aignatov | stop job | 18:55 |
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| mattf | as in, for a transient cluster. does the clsuter survive the stop + restart? | 18:55 |
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| tmckay | good question | 18:55 |
| aignatov | transient custer is another case :) | 18:56 |
| crobertsrh | I would say that transient cluster goes away | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be killed in current code | 18:56 |
| aignatov | cluster should be killed, yes | 18:56 |
| mattf | if it's killed, the stop + edit + restart ~= delete + edit + launch new | 18:56 |
| tmckay | except that delete wipes it from the database, so you have to start from scratch. Maybe a little more typing | 18:57 |
| mattf | another way is "clone" a running job. so "clone w/ edit" then delete old. | 18:57 |
| aignatov | I said about 'cancel' jobs mostly targeted to persistent clusters (not transient) | 18:58 |
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| mattf | i'm just tossing out ideas that don't require us to add another verb, but give us the same use case. | 18:58 |
| mattf | fyi, clone can be done entirely client side | 18:58 |
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| mattf | may be out of time, -> #savana | 19:00 |
| mattf | may be out of time, -> #savanna | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | exactly | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 19:00:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-06-18.09.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-06-18.09.txt | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks everyone | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-06-18.09.log.html | 19:00 |
| mattf | ciao | 19:00 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 20:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:00 |
| markwash | roll call! | 20:00 |
| arnaud__ | hi | 20:00 |
| markwash | o/ | 20:00 |
| flwang | o/ | 20:00 |
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| brianr | o/ | 20:01 |
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| markwash | pehw | 20:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 20:01 |
| markwash | s/eh/he/ | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | \o | 20:01 |
| markwash | looks like we have some artifact folks today? | 20:01 |
| markwash | huzzah | 20:01 |
| markwash | agenda is here | 20:02 |
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| ativelkov | We are here, yeah. At least I am | 20:02 |
| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:02 |
| markwash | I made a pass through all the i3 stuff we care most about and added notes | 20:02 |
| markwash | so we'll see how far we can get through that | 20:02 |
| markwash | but first I think we had some carryover discussion about glance.store | 20:03 |
| markwash | #topic glance.store | 20:03 |
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| markwash | TBH I'm not sure what discussion exactly is needed at this point | 20:04 |
| markwash | and flaper87 is . . not(?) here | 20:04 |
| arnaud__ | I saw a change | 20:04 |
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| arnaud__ | where is is moving the scrubber | 20:04 |
| markwash | indeed, i think that has merged at this point | 20:05 |
| arnaud__ | not sure if it has been merged yet | 20:05 |
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| arnaud__ | ok | 20:05 |
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| arnaud__ | the point that I would like to discuss is the timeline | 20:05 |
| arnaud__ | for the change | 20:05 |
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| markwash | my questions about glance.stores are mostly process-oriented. . how do we set up the repo, and what coordination is needed with other folks / infra etc | 20:05 |
| markwash | arnaud__: are you seeing it as more of an early juno thing? | 20:06 |
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| arnaud__ | yes | 20:06 |
| markwash | I could see that | 20:06 |
| arnaud__ | but flaper87 had another point of view | 20:06 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 20:06 |
| markwash | ah | 20:06 |
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| arnaud__ | we can discuss later since he is not here | 20:06 |
| flwang | markwash: I don't think it can complete in Icehouse | 20:07 |
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| markwash | yes, I think perhaps we should do that, arnaud__ can you try to pin flaper87 down to a time to discuss in #openstack-glance ? | 20:07 |
| markwash | sometime soon I hope | 20:07 |
| arnaud__ | ok sure | 20:07 |
| markwash | all right, let's hear his point of view a bit later then, and move on for now | 20:08 |
| markwash | #topic artifacts api | 20:08 |
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| markwash | This week I had a f2f meeting with some mirantis folks about how we will move forward with team integration / coordination with the artifacts api | 20:08 |
| markwash | I've also been speaking with jbernard about the instance template, which is related | 20:09 |
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| markwash | We had a few takeaway items from the f2f meeting that I wanted to share here | 20:09 |
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| markwash | 1) we're going to try to just integrate the artifacts work into the normal glance team rather than having separate teams | 20:09 |
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| flwang | markwash: cool | 20:10 |
| markwash | which will probably mean bringing on more devs to the meeting and core members etc | 20:10 |
| markwash | and for a good while there will probably be a bit of an expertise gap as the two silos are joined | 20:10 |
| flwang | markwash: nice | 20:10 |
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| markwash | but I think we can evolve past that, especially as we figure out how to integrate images into the artifacts work | 20:11 |
| jbernard | from what ive read so far, the artifact design should accomodate instance-templates nicely | 20:11 |
| markwash | 2) we'll discuss the progress of the artifacts stuff from folks who are working on it in the weekly meeting | 20:11 |
| ativelkov | Yes, we just don't need to hurry with this: better have slow progress then to break something | 20:11 |
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| markwash | as a status checkin and as an opportunity to ask questions | 20:12 |
| markwash | I put some links to the design work and initial blueprint in the agenda | 20:12 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/metadata-artifact-repository | 20:12 |
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| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MetadataRepository-ArtifactRepositoryAPI | 20:12 |
| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MetadataRepository-API | 20:12 |
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| markwash | I think the theory was that tims, a heat guy, would be proposing some code around the api soonish that we could at least look at / keep WIP for a while | 20:13 |
| markwash | but I've not seen anything yet, is anyone in a position to contact tims to check on his status? | 20:13 |
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| flaper87 | sorry I'm late guys | 20:14 |
| markwash | better late than never | 20:14 |
| markwash | okay maybe I'll try to follow up with tims to see what's going on | 20:14 |
| markwash | #action markwash track down tims and get status | 20:14 |
| ativelkov | I may ask gokrokve to contant tims | 20:14 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: good idea | 20:15 |
| markwash | jbernard: any status for us on the instance templates stuff? what's your initial angle of attack? | 20:15 |
| ativelkov | ok, as soon as he appears around, I'll tell him | 20:15 |
| jbernard | markwash: the artifact design should be perfect | 20:16 |
| markwash | okay cool | 20:16 |
| jbernard | markwash: the type would be 'instance' or something like this | 20:16 |
| jbernard | markwash: and the associated metadata would contain the block device mapping | 20:16 |
| arnaud__ | markwash: some parts are still not very clear to me. Espcially, the upload/download and the metadata part. | 20:16 |
| markwash | jbernard: great to hear | 20:17 |
| arnaud__ | let's say, you want to download an artifact, what happens? what do you get? | 20:17 |
| markwash | jbernard: so are you sort of blocked/waiting on more progress with artifacts stuff? | 20:18 |
| jbernard | markwash: i was going to raise that here actually | 20:18 |
| soniarvind | Hi guys, My name is Arvind and I work as OpenStack PM @ VMware. joining the glance IRC for first time. Look forward to learn more about artifacts and other blueprints. | 20:18 |
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| markwash | soniarvind: hi good to have you | 20:18 |
| markwash | arnaud__: (not ignoring you, I will come back to your point in one sec) | 20:19 |
| arnaud__ | :) cool thks markwash :) | 20:19 |
| jbernard | ativelkov: you published the artifact blueprint/etherpads? | 20:19 |
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| ativelkov | jbernard: not yet, working on that now | 20:19 |
| markwash | jbernard: so the issue right now is, without artifact api structure, there's not really a place for you to code /design stuff, right? | 20:20 |
| markwash | or are you raising some other issue? | 20:20 |
| jbernard | yeah, we need a consensus on direction | 20:20 |
| jbernard | at least, that's my current take | 20:20 |
| markwash | okay makes sense | 20:21 |
| jbernard | the artifact direction is a good one IMO | 20:21 |
| markwash | jbernard: do you think it would make sense to come up with the list of attributes you would expect the instance template to have? | 20:21 |
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| jbernard | yes | 20:21 |
| jbernard | ativelkov: maybe we can sync up when you're at a stopping point in your design | 20:22 |
| markwash | I suggest that because it seems it *might* help drive /verify some of the artifact discussion | 20:22 |
| markwash | for example, it would be neat if we figure out the set of acceptable answers to arnaud's download/upload question for instances | 20:22 |
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| ativelkov | jbernard: sure. I'll write to the ML as soon as we are ready | 20:22 |
| jbernard | yeah i agree, arnaud__ raises some good questions | 20:23 |
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| jbernard | ok, based on what I see so far, there is enough to agree on a basic design | 20:23 |
| markwash | okay, it seems like jbernard you have a little bit of a way to move in terms of defining what an instance template would need to include, so let's take a quick look at arnaud's question in more detail, and then see in what form we need to follow up after the meeting | 20:23 |
| rosmaita | arnaud__: that is a good question ... i think we should follow how it's done with images, /v2/artifact/uuid would give you metadata record, /v2/artifact/uuid/file would give you the data (i.e., the actual artifact) | 20:24 |
| jbernard | when ativelkov pushes to the list, then we can hammer out the details | 20:24 |
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| markwash | rosmaita: that's a valid approach but I'd love to let the folks driving the artifact api make their suggestion as part of a general proposal | 20:24 |
| arnaud__ | markwash: +1 | 20:24 |
| markwash | mostly wanting to avoid committee design, preferring instead committee review | 20:25 |
| arnaud__ | ativelkov: I will let you know my concerns with more details, this way you keep that in mind | 20:25 |
| arnaud__ | while designing :) | 20:25 |
| ativelkov | ok, sure | 20:25 |
| markwash | arnaud__: so specifically, it seems like you are concerned about what the path is for a consuming service to get an artifact for use | 20:25 |
| jbernard | ativelkov: i will send you what an instance template would need to include | 20:26 |
| arnaud__ | yes | 20:26 |
| markwash | so I think the we can take that as a request for specific info in any design info | 20:26 |
| markwash | ugh | 20:26 |
| markwash | any design info -> any design doc | 20:26 |
| markwash | ativelkov: are you doing the initial design? or is it still a question we need to answer after tracking down tims ? | 20:27 |
| ativelkov | I would prefer to sync up with tims, yes | 20:27 |
| markwash | okay great | 20:28 |
| markwash | so, to summarize | 20:28 |
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| markwash | #action ativelkov markwash track down tims somehow and get status, answer the quesiton who is designing this thing | 20:28 |
| markwash | #action jbernard look into instance template requirements and make any thoughts available to artifact api workers | 20:29 |
| markwash | okay | 20:29 |
| jbernard | sounds good | 20:29 |
| markwash | anything else on this topic before we jump into blueprint hell ? :-) | 20:29 |
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| ativelkov | not from my side :) | 20:29 |
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| markwash | #topic I-3 blueprints | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "I-3 blueprints (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:30 | |
| markwash | First one: image-recover (flwang) | 20:30 |
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| markwash | aren't you glad your baby woke you up for this? :-) | 20:30 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/image-recover | 20:30 |
| flwang | yep, since I don't want to miss this one | 20:30 |
| markwash | there is a changeset | 20:30 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/61680 | 20:31 |
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| markwash | but its abandoned | 20:31 |
| flwang | I will submit a patch soon to restore | 20:31 |
| markwash | I have a few questions | 20:31 |
| flwang | it will depends on zhiyan's location status patch | 20:31 |
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| flwang | sure | 20:31 |
| markwash | 1) how does a user find out an image/ image location is pending delete ? | 20:31 |
| markwash | because I thought we didn't want to expose that to users at all | 20:31 |
| zhiyan | flwang: may i know what's kind of dependencies there? | 20:31 |
| markwash | 2) should this be admin-only? how do we make it admin-only? will it be a burden if it is admin-only but still shows up in the api docs as a valid path for users? | 20:32 |
| flwang | markwash: I'd like to let the admin can list the images which are in 'pending-delete' status | 20:32 |
| flwang | zhiyan: recover the location from 'pending-delete' to 'active' as well | 20:32 |
| flwang | markwash: 2) yes | 20:33 |
| markwash | flwang: can we do it in a way where it does not affect the user-facing api then? | 20:33 |
| zhiyan | flwang: IMO even we have no location status, we can also do pending-delete => active, no? | 20:33 |
| flwang | 2) if the user is not admin, he will run into NotFound error IIRC | 20:33 |
| markwash | I'm probably just being a bit stodgy, but I'm very hesitant to change the api for this without more operations folks breaking down my door for this feature | 20:33 |
| flwang | zhiyan: yes, but it will be ugly and more work | 20:34 |
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| markwash | flwang: I seem to recall an ML discussion around this, am I correct? | 20:35 |
| arnaud__ | flwang: are you also working on the glance-client part? | 20:35 |
| markwash | *this feature | 20:35 |
| flwang | markwash: I'm going to add a new api like images/xxx/recover | 20:35 |
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| flwang | markwash: nope? but I'd like to send it if it's necessary :) | 20:36 |
| markwash | the api design for this feature doesn't feel right to me | 20:36 |
| markwash | I can't really make a clear argument as to why, however | 20:36 |
| zhiyan | flwang: i'm a little confused tbh, seems you are trying to do location-recover but image-recover, am i right? i think they are different | 20:36 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan: +1 | 20:37 |
| flwang | zhiyan: nope | 20:37 |
| markwash | I guess it seems like image-recover should be separate from the user api completely | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | flwang: since if you doing latter one, maybe* we need a api to list "pending-delete" location instead of image .. | 20:37 |
| markwash | flwang: yeah, an ML discussion, especially if you could include openstack-operators would be nice | 20:37 |
| flwang | zhiyan: when the image is in 'pending-delete', what's the status of location? | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | deleted, currently | 20:38 |
| markwash | I'm tempted to suggest we move this one to J just becuase I"m not yet comfortable with exposing /v2/images/xxx/recover in the main images api | 20:38 |
| flwang | markwash: I'm ok | 20:38 |
| zhiyan | +0.5 :) | 20:38 |
| markwash | flwang: you're okay with moving it to J? | 20:38 |
| rosmaita | +0.5 == +1 | 20:39 |
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| flwang | markwash: I'm ok | 20:39 |
| markwash | heh | 20:39 |
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| markwash | adding notes in etherpad | 20:40 |
| zhiyan | rosmaita: 0.5 : J is make more sense. but i personally think it will be nice if we can think about my above question.. | 20:40 |
| markwash | "Move to J to address concerns about where this is exposed and how it affects pending-deleted locations" | 20:40 |
| markwash | zhiyan: yes, I agree with the idea behind that question | 20:40 |
| markwash | it would be neat if we had an admin only api that said "here are the pending-delete locations" and put /recover on that | 20:40 |
| markwash | but let's defer that conversation, a lot more bps to look at | 20:40 |
| markwash | Next up! glance.stores flaper87 | 20:41 |
| flwang | markwash: yes | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:41 |
| zhiyan | markwash: sure | 20:41 |
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| flwang | pending-delete location maybe another topic | 20:41 |
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| markwash | flaper87: there was a motion to push off the glance.stores integration to J, I'm not actually sure what steps we need to take and when they could happen | 20:41 |
| markwash | flaper87: do you wanna discuss outside this meeting or do you have some quick notes for us? | 20:41 |
| markwash | (if we don't get through all the blueprints I can track down folks offline) | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | markwash: I can do both, whatever is best for the meeting. Perhaps, I could start sharing the steps I'm trying to follow | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | and we can discuss this based on that | 20:42 |
| markwash | flaper87: that would be fantastic | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | ok | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | very quickly so I don't get other folks time | 20:42 |
| markwash | #action flaper87 to share steps / timeline for glance.stores for future followup | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | markwash: should I do it now? or later in the channel ? | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | I can write an ehterpad | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | that would be even better | 20:43 |
| markwash | let's go for later | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 20:43 |
| markwash | flaper87: maybe you can try to coordinate a time to discuss with us as well? | 20:44 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: maybe we can reuse https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/right_place_for_glance.store_modules | 20:44 |
| markwash | I should be generally available ish :-) | 20:44 |
| markwash | okay I'm going to skip around to try to hit the easier ones | 20:44 |
| markwash | the following in my view just need more review attention | 20:44 |
| markwash | cross-service-request-id tracking | 20:45 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68524/ | 20:45 |
| markwash | expose-owner-in-v2 | 20:45 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69887/ | 20:45 |
| markwash | image-locaiotn-selection-strategy | 20:45 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58482/ | 20:46 |
| markwash | and related to that is getting glance tests on testrepository which is working okay for me now | 20:46 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59699/ | 20:46 |
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| flwang | markwash: I saw there is a +2 from zhiyan, so it would be nice if there is anyone can approve it soon | 20:46 |
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| flwang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69887/ | 20:47 |
| markwash | okay | 20:47 |
| markwash | I'll look again, maybe that's all we need | 20:47 |
| zhiyan | flwang: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69887/ , yes, i think it wil be better if we add a "docImpect" flag | 20:47 |
| flwang | markwash: cool | 20:47 |
| markwash | next: i18n-messages | 20:47 |
| markwash | flwang: any plans for this one in the next few weeks? or defer it to J ? | 20:48 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/i18n-messages | 20:48 |
| flwang | markwash: pls don't defer it :D | 20:48 |
| markwash | okay cool | 20:48 |
| markwash | but we'll look again next week if there is anything to review ;-) | 20:48 |
| flwang | markwash: we can complete it if the reviewers can follow up :) | 20:48 |
| flwang | markwash: I think it's the only patch | 20:49 |
| markwash | next: community-level-v2-sharing (rosmaita ) | 20:49 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/community-level-v2-image-sharing | 20:49 |
| markwash | rosmaita: let's go ahead and make iccha the assignee, sound okay? | 20:49 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:49 |
| markwash | and I think we'll want at least an initial patch in the next 12 days | 20:49 |
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| rosmaita | she's travelling right now, but if she were here, she would say "no problem" | 20:50 |
| markwash | nice | 20:50 |
| ashwini | she probably wont be able to get started on this until mid next week though | 20:50 |
| markwash | I'll trust you | 20:50 |
| markwash | ashwini: :-) | 20:51 |
| markwash | let's give it a shot | 20:51 |
| markwash | next: workers / tasks | 20:51 |
| markwash | I see there's a lot of discusison about this on in the agenda etherpad | 20:51 |
| nikhil | added some comments in the etherpad | 20:51 |
| nikhil | yep | 20:51 |
| markwash | it sounds like we expect patches soonish? | 20:52 |
| nikhil | ya | 20:52 |
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| nikhil | markwash: when do they need to be merged in? | 20:52 |
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| markwash | do we still need async-processing bp? or can we kick that one out and just have it under Import Workflow ? | 20:52 |
| markwash | or Upload workflow, I think it is called | 20:52 |
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| nikhil | we need a baseline patch by 16th I suppose? | 20:52 |
| markwash | nikhil: by the 18th | 20:52 |
| nikhil | okay, thanks | 20:53 |
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| markwash | okay let's follow up on these bps on monday | 20:53 |
| markwash | next, image-location-status (zhiyan) | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | ops, my laptop died | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | :( | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | I'll work on the etherpad | 20:54 |
| markwash | I think this is mostly ready to review, but maybe there is a bit of concern about the first patch | 20:54 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67079/ | 20:54 |
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| markwash | flaper87: okay great thanks | 20:54 |
| zhiyan | yes, migration | 20:54 |
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| zhiyan | what about others? markwash, do you think their shape is good? | 20:55 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I looked, and while I like the idea of a little more clarity about what each is supposed to accomplish they looked mostly good | 20:55 |
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| markwash | yeah I think I was generally pleased, it may be the only issue is the migration | 20:56 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: I wouldn't mind just taking a crack at the migration, trying to get it to avoid being nullable, would I be stepping on your toes though? | 20:57 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: actually i think nullable is ok, but maybe i missunderstanding your concerns.. | 20:58 |
| markwash | flaper87: let us know if you need help or just reviews on bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59150/ | 20:58 |
| markwash | okay | 20:58 |
| arnaud__ | "but might complicate future operations" could you share what you have in mind markwash ? | 20:58 |
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| flaper87 | markwash: I need help in the other one | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | the virtual_size | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | I don't get why it keeps raising that error | 20:59 |
| markwash | flaper87: ah okay yes I missed that one | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | I can't replicate the issue | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | flwang: tried as well and he wasn't able | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | -infra guys can't give me access to that box | 20:59 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65499/ | 20:59 |
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| flaper87 | I tried creating a venv with ubuntu precise | 20:59 |
| markwash | ^^ needs help figuring out testing issues | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | but nein, it won't replicate the issue | 20:59 |
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| flaper87 | and the funny thing is that it's a really trivial migration | 20:59 |
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| flaper87 | it adds an BigInt field and removes it | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | no idea why it fails in the gate | 21:00 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I'll try to follow up with you on the migration, ping me if I forget | 21:00 |
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| markwash | okay I htink we need to make way for the next meeting | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | markwash: thanks | 21:00 |
| markwash | thanks everybody for helping with the icehouse-3 triage push! | 21:00 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, thanks. | 21:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks markwash | 21:00 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 21:00:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-06-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-06-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-06-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | #meeting start | 22:01 |
| rocky2 | #startmeeting refstack | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 22:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rocky2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 22:01 |
| davidlenwell | Hello everyone! | 22:01 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 22:02 |
| rocky2 | Hey! Don't want to be the chair, but.... | 22:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | can someone share the link to the page | 22:02 |
| davidlenwell | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRefStackUseCases | 22:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | rocky2, I can chair | 22:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRefStackUseCases | 22:02 |
| davidlenwell | I need to learn all those bot commands | 22:02 |
| rocky2 | I'm swtiching back and forth from #meeting to get them;-) | 22:03 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: how do you want to start.. my meeting style isn't very formal as you may have seen | 22:03 |
| zehicle_at_dell | can we start w/ a status update | 22:04 |
| rocky2 | Is Catherine here? I'd love to get more detail on the t-cup effort | 22:04 |
| zehicle_at_dell | then move into blocking issues | 22:04 |
| catherine|3 | Yes | 22:04 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and plans for the rest of the week w/ help requests | 22:04 |
| davidlenwell | I can go first | 22:04 |
| rocky2 | Yes | 22:04 |
| davidlenwell | w/status | 22:04 |
| rocky2 | #topic status | 22:05 |
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| davidlenwell | I've been side lined all week per order of of ceo.. I've managed to free up today to only work on refstack.. I've started my data base designs and so far vomited out about 1.5 paragraphs of text for a higher level doc | 22:06 |
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| davidlenwell | I usually work really late .. so I imagine come morning there will be an email from me to everyone with further updates and links to documents | 22:06 |
| rocky2 | cool | 22:07 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | so, looking at the page | 22:08 |
| rocky2 | more info or should we move to next person? | 22:08 |
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| davidlenwell | I think those were the only items from me this week | 22:08 |
| rocky2 | Yup. Catherine? | 22:09 |
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| catherine|3 | David connected me to Alex and get a copy of the dockerfile | 22:09 |
| davidlenwell | I introduced Alex_H and catherine|3 last week.. and sent over Alex_H's docker file. | 22:10 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | Alex_H, said that they'd made progress | 22:10 |
| catherine|3 | I made some modificatio nto the file and able to build a container and run the tempest test | 22:10 |
| rocky2 | How long did the test take and what projects were included? | 22:11 |
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| rocky2 | (if you don't have answers, don't worry) | 22:11 |
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| catherine|3 | I am running the test and container from a virutal box from my laptop so it may be slow. But it ttook about 4 hour to run 1100 test cases | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | catherine|3, that aligns w/ our experience | 22:12 |
| catherine|3 | how long does it take? | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | what are you using as the target? | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the team was saying 3 hours | 22:12 |
| catherine|3 | I build a all in one Hanvana OpenStack KVM cloud in my lab | 22:13 |
| davidlenwell | Are you testing against a real cluster or a devstack install? | 22:13 |
| davidlenwell | ahh | 22:13 |
| zehicle_at_dell | real cluster | 22:13 |
| catherine|3 | not devstack | 22:13 |
| catherine|3 | a reak one | 22:13 |
| catherine|3 | but all in one (controller , compute ...) | 22:13 |
| catherine|3 | a real one | 22:13 |
| davidlenwell | package install? | 22:13 |
| catherine|3 | yes all go well | 22:13 |
| catherine|3 | Alex did a good job in resovling the dependency | 22:14 |
| Alex_H | thanks | 22:14 |
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| catherine|3 | Hi Alex | 22:14 |
| Alex_H | Hye | 22:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I was thinking to have Alex_H duplicate the tcup results against Rackspace | 22:14 |
| catherine|3 | all tempest requirement and test_requirement installed with no prolbem. Test run but slow | 22:15 |
| catherine|3 | what is t-cup? | 22:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | tempest in a container | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | I'm sure thats because it was virtualized twice.. once to virtual box then in a docker container | 22:15 |
| catherine|3 | ic | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | if we could get an openstack cluster with docker computer nodes I imagine it would run a lot faster | 22:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #info t-cup: tempest in a container, upload from probe | 22:16 |
| rocky2 | Tempest in a teacup is a reference to alice in Wonderland book, also. | 22:16 |
| catherine|3 | so far i tested with a static tempest.conf file. Will test with David's generator next | 22:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, my team is working towards that but it's not going to be available in time for us | 22:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | rocky2, :) | 22:16 |
| davidlenwell | I might set up a node in my house to do that for my own tests | 22:16 |
| catherine|3 | will we generate the dcoker image every time from the dockerfile or will we save an image with tempest pre-isntall? | 22:17 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|3: I will need to change that code to not depend on the database.. but to be fed creditials while its being generated .. | 22:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | how far off is being able to expand the test audience for tcup? I'd like to have some people give it a try | 22:17 |
| davidlenwell | we decided a while ago it was best to leave creditials out of the database | 22:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 22:18 |
| rocky2 | +1 | 22:18 |
| davidlenwell | thats maybe an hours work for me to make it work that way. | 22:18 |
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| rocky2 | might be able to try it here once you think it will likely run | 22:19 |
| zehicle_at_dell | would it simplify the tcup work to reduce the # of tests for now? | 22:19 |
| davidlenwell | I think with the config generator its an easy thing | 22:19 |
| rocky2 | great idea! | 22:19 |
| zehicle_at_dell | basically, just do a quick pass | 22:20 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: I've been running just the api tests | 22:20 |
| zehicle_at_dell | then we can get people to try it and also work on upload | 22:20 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, makes sense. that let's people use their cloud accounts | 22:20 |
| davidlenwell | but that is because the early model of refstack wasn't designed to run behind enemy lines | 22:20 |
| catherine|3 | I can try again with just the API test | 22:20 |
| catherine|3 | and see how long | 22:20 |
| davidlenwell | the api tests are super super fast | 22:20 |
| davidlenwell | mine usually run in seconds | 22:20 |
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| davidlenwell | against a devstack install | 22:21 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: +1 | 22:21 |
| catherine|3 | There are abot 400+ API test | 22:21 |
| zehicle_at_dell | cool, I think we have a natural scope limit that can help | 22:21 |
| zehicle_at_dell | can we drop that to 250 | 22:21 |
| catherine|3 | 400+ for JSOB and 400+ for XML | 22:21 |
| davidlenwell | its not very time consuming | 22:21 |
| zehicle_at_dell | just as a temporary measure | 22:21 |
| rocky2 | You could leave out the negative tests that have been separated out | 22:22 |
| davidlenwell | also this config maker is smart | 22:22 |
| catherine|3 | no right now I test by path | 22:22 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I don't want to keep it small, just to help people who are testing this get fast results | 22:22 |
| davidlenwell | it logs into keystone and figures out which services are there | 22:22 |
| catherine|3 | say if the argument pass in is templest | 22:22 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so we can get to uploading | 22:22 |
| rocky2 | Though, currently most of the api tests are not parametric, so they should be pretty fast. | 22:22 |
| davidlenwell | when it builds the config .. it leaves out stuff it knows the cloud doesn't have | 22:22 |
| catherine|3 | then it would be about 1200+ test cases | 22:22 |
| zehicle_at_dell | how about this, let's try to get the run down to under 30 seconds for now | 22:23 |
| davidlenwell | does that make sense ? | 22:23 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and then we can expand it once we have the infrastructure working | 22:23 |
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| catherine|3 | If I just run tempest.api.images | 22:23 |
| catherine|3 | that would be about a few mins | 22:23 |
| rocky2 | zehicle_at_dell: +1 | 22:23 |
| catherine|3 | I can drop dowm more by just test a handfule of test case with | 22:24 |
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| davidlenwell | the extent of my testing with what refstack can do now has been a vmware node on my laptop testing another vmware node running devstack.. so results may very | 22:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 22:24 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | once we get the workflow between tcup and refstack working, then we can crank it back up' | 22:25 |
| davidlenwell | I think for getting the software working .. limiting the tests is fine | 22:25 |
| catherine|3 | Zehicle_at_dell What is the status of mapping testcase to capability? | 22:25 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. that | 22:25 |
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| catherine|3 | yes we can limit the test | 22:25 |
| catherine|3 | for now | 22:25 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #agree limit # of tests while we get integration between t-cup and refstack going | 22:25 |
| davidlenwell | once the workflow is there I don't care how long tests take | 22:25 |
| davidlenwell | I want all the tests | 22:25 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | once we have the workflow working for our team, I'm planning to start expanding the number of test people | 22:26 |
| rocky2 | I have an old Dell Studio XPS with 6g that will be my "lab" and "outside" machine. I plan on running at least some devstack based refstack tests on it. | 22:26 |
| catherine|3 | so we test all test and filter the result per DefCore definition of capability? | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'd like to get about 10 people in the initial pass | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | then open it up and see if we can get 100+ scans | 22:26 |
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| davidlenwell | I agree with that | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but we have to be confident that it's working - dont wnat to have to staff a support desk | 22:26 |
| davidlenwell | I think we have that now between you guys and piston | 22:27 |
| rocky2 | When we get close, I think I can get a nodepool setup for testing. We can decide a couple of configurations and either crowbar or compass a couple of configs that we can use for testing. | 22:27 |
| davidlenwell | we have running clusters we can test againts at anytime | 22:27 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I'd like to poke the TC and Board to give it a try | 22:27 |
| zehicle_at_dell | between them, we should find 10-20 takers | 22:27 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and a friendly audience | 22:27 |
| rocky2 | very true | 22:28 |
| zehicle_at_dell | do we need to coordinate more on activity for tcup? it seems like the right people are talking | 22:28 |
| catherine|3 | So far we can only run test. Not dealing with the results yet | 22:28 |
| davidlenwell | I agree.. | 22:28 |
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| davidlenwell | that is the right path catherine .. | 22:28 |
| rocky2 | yes | 22:29 |
| davidlenwell | dealing witht he results is also a solved problem | 22:29 |
| catherine|3 | so the results are still i nthe container. We need to move it out some wjhere | 22:29 |
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| davidlenwell | I've written code than can extract the results from rest repository | 22:29 |
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| davidlenwell | I just need to add the part that sends it home to refstack | 22:29 |
| davidlenwell | which is easy once the api is finished | 22:29 |
| catherine|3 | yes but test repository is now in the contaimer.. e need to resovle container id , ip .... | 22:29 |
| davidlenwell | so you are right to concentrate on the testing .. get that working .. I'll focus on the api .. get that working and we can meet in the middle | 22:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let's see if we can get the tcup documented so other people can try it | 22:30 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and make upload from tcup a goal for next sprint | 22:30 |
| davidlenwell | so I'm thinking some pyton code will get triggered from the container when its finished | 22:30 |
| catherine|3 | yes my next focus is fetching data out of container | 22:30 |
| davidlenwell | that code will call home | 22:30 |
| zehicle_at_dell | catherine|3, do we have enough API for you to start that? | 22:30 |
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| davidlenwell | https://github.com/dlenwell/refstack/blob/master/refstack/common/tester.py shows how to get data from testr after the test is run | 22:31 |
| zehicle_at_dell | :) | 22:31 |
| davidlenwell | but we'll need to finish the api methods for recieving data on the refstack side | 22:31 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic API for uploading | 22:31 |
| davidlenwell | So that is the restful api that I am supposed to of design last week.. I am mid-design on it right now today and will have a draft at the end of my day. | 22:32 |
| davidlenwell | it will include methods for recieving results from tcup | 22:32 |
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| rocky2 | Do we have an idaddress to call "home"? I'd like to look at result files, processed and not when we get to that point. | 22:33 |
| davidlenwell | the results them selves probably have enough info to assosiate them the right way | 22:33 |
| catherine|3 | rigjt now I am testing stand alone not touching API yet | 22:33 |
| davidlenwell | I think it will be api.refstack.org | 22:33 |
| rocky2 | great! | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 22:33 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|3: thats good because the api doesn't exist fully | 22:33 |
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| catherine|3 | Perhaps we should have a technical meeting sometime to dive deep some nore | 22:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, I'm assuming that the POST can stand alone? | 22:34 |
| davidlenwell | so one task is to create a "called when tests are finished" script.. python would be idea since I've already written the parts we need | 22:34 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: That is a safe assumption | 22:34 |
| rocky2 | +1 | 22:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | catherine|3, I can work to arrange. Topics you'd like to cover? | 22:34 |
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| davidlenwell | I thought this was a technical meeting ? | 22:35 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | it is - I think catherine|3 is thinking something face-to-face or voice w/ a white board | 22:35 |
| davidlenwell | oh | 22:35 |
| davidlenwell | I'd love to work on that | 22:35 |
| catherine|3 | Topic is the flow of integration ... Wjere is the host that hosted the container.. where the test data destination ... | 22:36 |
| davidlenwell | piston would love to host it also if sf is easy travel | 22:36 |
| rocky2 | I'd like to have a session on how we specify/subset tests from tempest | 22:36 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|3: so that part of refstack is very flexible | 22:36 |
| rocky2 | SF works for me | 22:36 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | We're having a board meeting on 3/4 | 22:36 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we could do it on 3/3 or 3/5 | 22:37 |
| catherine|3 | Where are you located at David? | 22:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | was planning to have a DefCore meeting anyway in SFO on 3/3 | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | I live north of LA but work for piston in SFO | 22:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so this would fit very nicely | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | I have to be in sf for an ironic sprint 3/5 and 3/6 anyways .. so that works for me too | 22:37 |
| catherine|3 | I leave one hour away from SF | 22:37 |
| catherine|3 | I live | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | awesome .. so I am happy to have and host refstack tech sessions anytime | 22:38 |
| catherine|3 | so I thnk that works but that woild be a month from now | 22:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Let's plan for 3/3 - I may be pulled into other DefCore work at times | 22:38 |
| catherine|3 | meanwhile we IRC and email? | 22:38 |
| davidlenwell | I'll be in sf 2/16 - 2/20 | 22:38 |
| davidlenwell | if you can make it into the city we could have a live hacking session.. maybe 2/19 | 22:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm not required if you want to meet | 22:39 |
| catherine|3 | oh may be we will visit you in SF 2/16 - 2/20? | 22:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but I may be able to drag Alex_H to the 3/3 meeting | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: I'm good with doing it both times | 22:39 |
| rocky2 | A mini-hackathon for Davidlenwell and Catherine|3 mid Feb? | 22:39 |
| catherine|3 | that is great .. | 22:39 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | let's lock in the 3/3 meeting so I can start working on logistics | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | rocky2: yes .. that sounds great | 22:39 |
| catherine|3 | +1 | 22:40 |
| zehicle_at_dell | if you can pull together one 2 weeks before, that would be great | 22:40 |
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| davidlenwell | yeah .. lets do both | 22:40 |
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| rocky2 | +1 twice | 22:40 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | Alex_H, can you check your schedule? we probably can have you tag along if we work it in advance | 22:40 |
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| Alex_H | ok | 22:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm always behind on the #topics! should have #topic f2f meeting! | 22:42 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, when you have the upload API, can you also make it public for POST? | 22:42 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 22:42 |
| rocky2 | OK. Well, we seem to have that worked out, so how about #topic Wiki ? | 22:42 |
| davidlenwell | I'll just set it up to accept any subunit in a post | 22:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic wiki | 22:43 |
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| davidlenwell | I should be able to grab the info about who its from and when it was run and all that fun data from the rresults | 22:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #agree API to POST tempest results will be setup as a public endpoint so we can test it | 22:43 |
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| davidlenwell | about running a wiki on refstack .org | 22:43 |
| catherine|3 | so the latest code is still at https://github.com/dlenwell/refstack ? | 22:43 |
| rocky2 | Great. Yup. | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|3: I belive I have the newest code yes | 22:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | why not use the OpenStack wiki? | 22:44 |
| catherine|3 | ok thx | 22:44 |
| rocky2 | Once there, I'll start populating like crazy. | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | So that brings me to another topic .. | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. use the openstack wiki .. thats a no brainer | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | but if we want to start running things that are services I'd rather the infra team runs them .. we can use sub domains | 22:45 |
| rocky2 | Just link wiki.refstacl.org to wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Refstack (close, but I don't think it's correct) | 22:45 |
| davidlenwell | sure .. we can make a cname or something | 22:45 |
| davidlenwell | right now joshua has control over the domain name | 22:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, I'm already talking to the OpenStack foundation about that | 22:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Jonathan Bryce & Mark Collier | 22:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we were thinking that we could get it proved out here for this cycle and then start migrating it to $$$.openstack.org | 22:47 |
| davidlenwell | its easy to get them to run things if you make a puppet config for it and ask monty very nicely | 22:47 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so we'd get under regular governance after Atlanta | 22:47 |
| davidlenwell | perfect | 22:47 |
| rocky2 | +1 | 22:47 |
| davidlenwell | this is me saying .. I don't want to admin services because I am not best suited as an admin.. | 22:48 |
| * zehicle_at_dell setting up space on OpenStack wiki for RefStack info | 22:48 | |
| davidlenwell | I'd preffer a change in the services running required a commit to infra-config to change | 22:48 |
| rocky2 | I've got a colleague that can help getting the stackforge zuul/gerrit/jenkins stuff set up for our code base when we're ready to start firing off some CI tests | 22:49 |
| davidlenwell | if we go into official openstack channels we won't need to do that | 22:49 |
| rocky2 | even better | 22:49 |
| davidlenwell | stackforge it | 22:49 |
| davidlenwell | essentially | 22:49 |
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| davidlenwell | if the goal is under governance after atlanta we have to think that way now | 22:50 |
| davidlenwell | and not go off and set up our own stuff all over the place | 22:50 |
| rocky2 | So, would this go under a "program" like QA or Infra? | 22:50 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: ??? | 22:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | sorry | 22:50 |
| rocky2 | Doh. Forget that last thing I typed. | 22:50 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | we'd need some tests ;) | 22:52 |
| davidlenwell | I think by then we'll have lots of results to work with | 22:52 |
| zehicle_at_dell | tests of the refstack code base | 22:52 |
| davidlenwell | oh that .. yes | 22:52 |
| davidlenwell | do we have someone who likes to write tests? | 22:53 |
| rocky2 | Again, I've got folks. Just sayin' | 22:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/DefCoreCommittee/RefStack | 22:53 |
| rocky2 | Cool. | 22:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | 5 minute warning | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | rocky2: lets talk offline about getting that started | 22:54 |
| rocky2 | Will do. | 22:54 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, +1 on getting started on governance | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | we didn't write tests because in the hacky stage of things before things are defined I feel like its a huge waste of time | 22:54 |
| zehicle_at_dell | right now, we're talking about a very small surface w/ POST and basic compare | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | thats doable | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | I can write the test for that before integrating the api code .. which is the order I'd preffer to do them in | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | that way you always have tests for every api call | 22:55 |
| * zehicle_at_dell sends hug | 22:55 | |
| rocky2 | Since you're writing a chunk of the api right now, just some simple unit tests that generate a happy path output from a fixed input would be a nice start. | 22:56 |
| zehicle_at_dell | last comments/topics? | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | lets wrap up in #refstack | 22:56 |
| rocky2 | I love people who believe in TDD! | 22:56 |
| rocky2 | And especially those who practice it! | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | like I said it depends on if I am developing a product or if its r&d hacking | 22:57 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | great meeting everyone - I feel like we got some things locked down | 22:57 |
| davidlenwell | agreed | 22:57 |
| zehicle_at_dell | looking forward to f2f next month | 22:57 |
| davidlenwell | same | 22:57 |
| catherine|3 | Will we continue meeting next week or on #refstack? | 22:58 |
| rocky2 | Understood. That's why most GUI automated test creation is a waste. It's always "R&D" so why waste the extra time? | 22:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | please keep #refstack open | 22:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we should use this channel for official scheduled meetings | 22:58 |
| rocky2 | Yes. Next week. Thanks all! | 22:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #endmeeting | 22:58 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | #endmeeting refstack | 22:59 |
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| clarkb | #endmeeting | 23:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 23:13:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-06-22.01.html | 23:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-06-22.01.txt | 23:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-06-22.01.log.html | 23:14 |
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