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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 13:00:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:01 |
| irenab | short update with current status? | 13:02 |
| baoli | Irenab, Shall we wait for others | 13:02 |
| irenab | sure | 13:03 |
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| rkukura | hi | 13:05 |
| irenab | rkukura:hi | 13:06 |
| rkukura | snow day here - had to shovel a path to take the trash out | 13:06 |
| baoli | Hi rkukura | 13:06 |
| irenab | rkukura: we are more than month without rain... | 13:07 |
| baoli | we'll have 8-12 inches snow today | 13:08 |
| irenab | baoli: shall we wait for Sandhya? | 13:08 |
| rkukura | expecting 10-12" of snow today - looks like about 8" so far | 13:08 |
| rkukura | baoli: Where are you located? | 13:08 |
| baoli | irenab, yes. a couple of more minutes | 13:08 |
| baoli | rkukura, westford/boston | 13:08 |
| baoli | rkukura, is your office in westford? | 13:09 |
| rkukura | baoli: I'm in Sudbury, office is in Westford | 13:09 |
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| irenab | guys, till we wait for Sandhya, how we make progress with vnic_type? | 13:09 |
| baoli | rkukura, we are neighbors | 13:09 |
| rkukura | At least the couple days a week I work from the office | 13:10 |
| baoli | yep | 13:10 |
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| baoli | irenab, regarding vnic_type, I'd like to see normal users can choose to go with sriov or virtio. | 13:13 |
| irenab | rkukura: did you have any chance to discuss it with other core team members? Shall I send an email to the mailing list? | 13:13 |
| irenab | baoli: I think I'll be able to push the code for it as draft either later today or tomorrow | 13:15 |
| rkukura | irenab: I think you should send an email to openstack-dev. | 13:15 |
| rkukura | irenab: That's probably best - makes it concrete. | 13:15 |
| baoli | irenab, that sounds great | 13:15 |
| irenab | rkukura: Ok, thanks | 13:15 |
| irenab | rkukura: It will be a hard to present without having nova api defined.. | 13:16 |
| baoli | Not sure if you guys are aware of the change proposed for ipv6. Two new keywords for ipv6 subnet: ipv6_ra_mode and ipv6_address_mode. You'd expect a normal user to fully understand ipv6 before using it | 13:17 |
| baoli | intuitively, a normal user should just say "I want ipv6" for my network | 13:17 |
| rkukura | baoli: I'm no IPv6 expert, but don't those effect what happens inside the VM? | 13:18 |
| irenab | baoli: it has permissions as regular user in policy.py ? | 13:18 |
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| baoli | rkukura, it just provides ipv6 connectivity | 13:18 |
| baoli | irenab, no restrictions imposed in policy.py | 13:19 |
| baoli | on subnet | 13:19 |
| rkukura | With IPv4, the VM needs to know whether DHCP is being used. Aren't these similar? | 13:19 |
| irenab | baoli: only admin or network owner can create subnet | 13:19 |
| baoli | rkukura, in addition to that, a user needs to say dhcp stateless or dhcp statefull, or slacc, etc | 13:19 |
| irenab | baoli: can you please send the link to review? | 13:20 |
| rkukura | baoli: Someone should be looking out for the usability of this for normal tenants! | 13:21 |
| irenab | baoli: I am not sure it supposed to be managed by regular user, should be admin or network owner | 13:21 |
| baoli | irenab, you mean the ipv6 change? | 13:21 |
| irenab | baii: yes | 13:21 |
| irenab | baoli:yes | 13:22 |
| baoli | irenab, if it's ok for network owner, then it's ok for a network owner to say that I need a sriov port | 13:22 |
| rkukura | If this precedent helps with the case that exposing vnic_type to nomral users is the way to go, fine. | 13:22 |
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| rkukura | Don't forget that tenants can use networks owned by someone else, as long as the shared attribute is set. | 13:23 |
| irenab | so normal_user =network_owner for the vnic_type case? | 13:23 |
| rkukura | There are also proposals being discussed for hierarchies of tenants | 13:23 |
| irenab | I need to state it in the neutron policy.py | 13:24 |
| rkukura | I do not think we should restrinct SR-IOV to the case where the tenant is the owner of the network. | 13:24 |
| irenab | its either admin or owner | 13:24 |
| irenab | rkukura: would it be ok? | 13:24 |
| rkukura | Networks (and their subnets) are often shared, especially provider networks. | 13:24 |
| rkukura | I don't think admin or owner is correct for attaching to a network | 13:25 |
| baoli | rkukura, in the current proposal, sriov ports are shared among tenants! | 13:25 |
| rkukura | Why not just let normal users request SR-IOV via vnic_type? | 13:26 |
| irenab | according to policy.py "create_port:mac_learning_enabled": "rule:admin_or_network_owner" | 13:27 |
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| irenab | I think we should have same for vnic_type | 13:27 |
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| rkukura | This whole API is getting way too complicated! | 13:28 |
| rkukura | mac_learning_enabled is a nicira-specific extension, it looks like. | 13:29 |
| baoli | irenab, I think that --binding:vnic_type should have at least have the same restriction as the command port-create. | 13:29 |
| baoli | So I think it should be admin_or_network_owner | 13:30 |
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| rkukura | I have no idea what the use case is for mac_learning_enabled, so maybe it is something normal users would never use unless they own the network | 13:30 |
| rkukura | baoli: Wouldn't using admin_or_network_owner would prevent normal tenants from requesting SR-IOV on a port attached to a shared network? Maybe I'm wrong and this poilicy rule takes --shared into account? | 13:31 |
| irenab | rkukura: do not see any other examle that fits... MAC and IP seems indeed something the only admin_or_network_owner should manage | 13:31 |
| irenab | rkukura: there is also rule "shared", not sure how it works | 13:32 |
| irenab | rkukura: so we can mix | 13:32 |
| rkukura | Interesting - I do see now that specifying mac_address or fixed_ips is admin_or_network_owner. I'm getting convinced that that rule must take sharing into account. | 13:33 |
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| baoli | rkukura, good point. I think that i need to study the policy.py a bit more | 13:33 |
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| irenab | anyway seems that the current discussion proves that there is a good chance vnic_type may have different policy rules that other items that may land into binding:profile | 13:34 |
| rkukura | I apologize if my misinformation on this has been leading the team astray! | 13:34 |
| rkukura | irenab: Agreed. | 13:35 |
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| irenab | rkukura: I think your questions are in place and cause us provide good answers | 13:35 |
| irenab | so seems that no reason to block the vnic_type bp, what do you think? | 13:36 |
| rkukura | irenab: I'm fine with going forward with it. | 13:38 |
| baoli | rkukura, a shared network can be used by any tenant, is that right? | 13:38 |
| irenab | baoli: there was a question sadasu sent to the mailing list on neutron SRIOV ports and MD. After vnic_type I wanted to start with SRIOVPortMDBase. Do know if sadasu started some work on this? | 13:41 |
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| rkukura | baoli: That is my understanding. The mailing list discussion regarding hierarchies of tenants/projects may eventually make that more useful. | 13:41 |
| baoli | irenab, not sure if she would do something. | 13:42 |
| irenab | baoli: ok.. | 13:42 |
| baoli | so for vnic_type, we'd go with binding:vnic_type, and set the rule as admin_or_network_owner? is that agreed? | 13:43 |
| irenab | baoli: I agree | 13:43 |
| baoli | cool | 13:44 |
| baoli | let's move on to SRIOVPortMDBase | 13:44 |
| irenab | rkukura: do you agree? | 13:44 |
| rkukura | irenab: I agree as long as admin_or_network_owner really does work for shared networks | 13:45 |
| irenab | rkukura: I'll do some test on some existing attribute to verify | 13:46 |
| baoli | rkukura, that's the catch we have to experiment with. But I think that should be same for someone to create a port on a shared network regardless the vnic_type. I maybe wrong, though | 13:46 |
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| rkukura | irenab: Great. Very interested in what you find out. | 13:46 |
| irenab | the rule can be also the rule like "rule:admin_or_owner or rule:shared", | 13:47 |
| baoli | Irenab, let us know once you find out | 13:47 |
| irenab | baoli: sure | 13:47 |
| irenab | baoli: can you please give short update for nova side? | 13:47 |
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| baoli | irenab, sure | 13:48 |
| baoli | basically, yunhong would like to go with a simpler version for Icehouse | 13:48 |
| baoli | The major enhancement would be: a) add attr supports in the whitelist b) support multiple aliases | 13:49 |
| baoli | and c) support stats based on aliases | 13:49 |
| baoli | he is asking for approval | 13:50 |
| irenab | baoli: this will work without need to create VM flavor with PCI alias, right? | 13:50 |
| baoli | If that can be done, then we should be ok. I also asked for the API to support correlation between the allocated device with the requested networks. | 13:51 |
| baoli | irenab, no vm flavor for network. | 13:51 |
| irenab | baoli: and for your bp, is it on the way? | 13:51 |
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| baoli | irenab, I put John's name as approver. I need to send an email as well | 13:52 |
| rkukura | Is requesting the physical network still implicit in requesting the PCI device? I saw some mention in baoli's wiki of nova asking neutron for the physical_network, but don't think that is possible. | 13:52 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks | 13:53 |
| irenab | baoli: so we need to well define nova-neutron API for setting PCI details and returning VIF details/VIF_TYPE | 13:54 |
| baoli | rkukura, what is not possible? Can you clarify it? | 13:54 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: yes, the wiki says that, why not possible? | 13:55 |
| sadasu | I thought phy_net can be part of the vif_details | 13:55 |
| rkukura | baoli: With ML2, a virtual network can be made up of multiple segments, which may have different values for provider:phyiscal_network. I don't think either nova or neutron could know which segment's physical_network to use. | 13:55 |
| rkukura | sadasu: Once port binding occurs, a segment has been picked, and the MD can put that segment's physical_network into binding:vif_details. | 13:56 |
| baoli | rkukura, do you have an example on how that's used and provisioned? | 13:56 |
| baoli | rkukura, I mean multi-segments | 13:57 |
| rkukura | It seemed to me that the physical_network was needed in nova before the VM is scheduled. Port binding can't be done until after the VM is scheduled. | 13:57 |
| sadasu | rkukura: yes. didn't know of his sequencing problem | 13:57 |
| baoli | rkukura, I assumes that a nuetron net is associated with a physical net | 13:57 |
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| baoli | rkukura, and a port is created from a neutron net | 13:58 |
| irenab | rkukura: it should possible to support single segment network, right? | 13:58 |
| baoli | time is up. can we switch to a different channel? | 13:59 |
| rkukura | Single segment networks are certainly possible, and most common right now, but the ML2 model allows multi-segment networks. | 13:59 |
| irenab | I can for ~10 mins more | 13:59 |
| baoli | Ok, rkukura, could you please send me an email on that? I'd like to know more details | 14:00 |
| irenab | me too | 14:00 |
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| rkukura | What happened to the plan for the admin to create flavors or host aggregates with SR-IOV connectivity to specific physical networks? | 14:00 |
| irenab | rkukura: Host aggregates can be done today | 14:01 |
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| rkukura | We should #endmeeting | 14:02 |
| baoli | if no one is using it, we can continue a bit more | 14:02 |
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| rkukura | OK, but if someone else is scheduled and ready they should speak up | 14:03 |
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| baoli | checked, it's open | 14:04 |
| irenab | rkukura: with multi-segment + provider netowrk, should the network be created as with regular plugin? | 14:04 |
| baoli | I think that we only care about the first segment, which is the one that the compute node immediately connects with. | 14:05 |
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| rkukura | irenab: I'm not sure what you mean. The ML2 plugin supports both the providernet and multiprovidernet extensions. Either API extension can be used to create single-segment provider networks. Only the multiprovidernet extension can be used to create multi-segment provider networks. Creating normal tenant networks doesn't use either extension. | 14:06 |
| rkukura | baoli: Port binding can pick any of the segments. First is not special. In fact there is a bug right now that the order of the segments isn't even deterministic. | 14:06 |
| baoli | rkukura, is the multi-segments support documented anywhere? | 14:07 |
| irenab | so now I don't understand how vnic_type helps us ... | 14:08 |
| rkukura | baoli: I'm not sure, but multiprovidernet should be covered in the API guide. | 14:08 |
| rkukura | Here's what I thought was supposed to happen: | 14:09 |
| irenab | baoli: I think that provider net is documented in neutron admin guide | 14:09 |
| irenab | but not with ML2, if its differ | 14:09 |
| baoli | rkukura, please go ahead to describe it. I'll take a look at it offline as well. | 14:10 |
| rkukura | 1) The admin creates a flavor or host aggregate with SR-IOV connectivity to a specific physical network | 14:10 |
| rkukura | 2) Probably the admin, or someone else, creates a virtual VLAN network on that physical network, and gives the tenant access (as owner or shared) | 14:11 |
| rkukura | actually I guess 2) needs to be the admin | 14:11 |
| baoli | rkukura, in 2), a neutron net is associated with a physical net, right? | 14:12 |
| rkukura | 3) The tenant creates a neutron port on that network specifying --binding:vnic_type <something other than virtio> | 14:12 |
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| rkukura | 4) The tenant boots a VM specifying the flavor or host aggregate with SR-IOV connectivity to that same network | 14:13 |
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| rkukura | In 4) the user specifying --nic with the port ID from 3 | 14:14 |
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| irenab | rkukura: I don't see a problem here. neutron net is associated with physicla network and nova had admin access, right? | 14:14 |
| rkukura | 5) Nova takes care of reserving the PCI slot and PF when scheduling the VM, and stores these details in the binding:profile attrbiute of the port created in 3 | 14:14 |
| baoli | rkukura, also in 1), we need to tag the pci devices with a specific physical network on each compute nodes. | 14:14 |
| rkukura | 6) Either in 5 or after, nova sets binding:host_id to specify, which triggers ML2 port biinding | 14:15 |
| baoli | rkukura, if by port binding, you mean to bind a port to a host, then we don't have a problem here. The association of a port with a physical net is determined when the port is created | 14:17 |
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| rkukura | 7) ML2 port binding tries the registered mechanism drivers. Ones that don't support the binding:vnic_type refuse to binding. The SR-IOV mechanism drivers do try to bind, and look for a segment for which the PCI device has connectivity to the segment's physical network | 14:17 |
| baoli | that information is then used for scheduling a host. We don't want to do a trail-and-error approach in selecting a host to 'bind' | 14:18 |
| baoli | sorry, trial-and-error | 14:19 |
| rkukura | baoli: Port binding is what determines which network segment is being used, what the binding:vif_type is, and (soon) what is in binding:vif_details. | 14:19 |
| baoli | but in 2), you said that a vlan net(a nuetron net) is associated with a physical net, right? | 14:19 |
| irenab | rkukura: its first time in the flow you mentioned network segment. when it was created? | 14:19 |
| rkukura | baoli: My understanding was that nova's scheduler would schedule on a host from the aggregate or flavor with the needed connectivtiy, so as long as the user gets this right, its not trial and errror. | 14:20 |
| baoli | rkukura, no. that's not the plan for now | 14:20 |
| rkukura | irenab: The network segment(s) is/are created in 2 | 14:21 |
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| baoli | rkukura, regardless sriov, can you provide a work flow for multi-segment? | 14:22 |
| irenab | rkukura: 2) says, network is created | 14:22 |
| rkukura | baoli: What is the current plan for making nova schedule on a host with an available SR-IOV VF with connectivity to the needed physical network then? | 14:22 |
| baoli | rkukura, it's described in my wiki | 14:22 |
| irenab | I have to go, please do end meeting by the end to make logs available. | 14:23 |
| baoli | 1) you tag each pci device with the attached physical net | 14:23 |
| baoli | 2) compute node reports pci stats as "host:net-group:phynet1:count" to the controller/scheduler | 14:23 |
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| rkukura | baoli: Right now multi-segment networks can only be created by passing in a list of maps describing each segment to create network or update network, using the multiprovider extension. | 14:23 |
| baoli | rkukura, can you provide how it's done in terms of neutron config and work flow (cli commands, etc)? | 14:24 |
| baoli | 3) create a neutron net that is associated with a physical net | 14:25 |
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| baoli | 4) create a neutron port on this net with --vnic-type=direct | 14:25 |
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| baoli | 5) nova boot --nic port-id=<port-uuid-in-abovr> | 14:25 |
| rkukura | baoli: I can track down the exact syntax. They aren't too commonly used right now, but the capability is there. The bridging between the segments in not managed by neutron and must be setup administratively right now. | 14:26 |
| baoli | rkukura, are all the segements bridged together? | 14:26 |
| baoli | administratively? | 14:26 |
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| rkukura | baoli: Yes, that's what makes them the same virtual L2 network, right? | 14:27 |
| baoli | rkukura, so on each compute node, the starting segement may be different? | 14:27 |
| rkukura | Longer term plans are for some of this to be automated - maybe creating a vlan segment shared within a specific rack, but a vxlan segment connecting the various top of rack switches | 14:28 |
| rkukura | baoli: Not sure what you mean by "starting segment"? | 14:29 |
| baoli | rkukura, I think that we need to do some study on that. Thanks for bringing that up. | 14:29 |
| rkukura | baoli: In your steps above, what forces nova to schedule the VM on a node with an available VF for an SR-IOV device with connectivity to the needed physical network? | 14:29 |
| baoli | we have a pci filter scheudler that has to be loaded into the nova scheduler | 14:30 |
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| baoli | that pci filter scheduler works off the stats: host:net-group:phynet:count | 14:31 |
| sgordon | speaking of nova...which bps are still active on the nova side for icehouse? | 14:31 |
| sgordon | do we need to seek core reviewers? | 14:31 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| rkukura | And how does the pci filter scheduler know what net-group is needed? | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 14:31:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-05-13.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-05-13.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-05-13.00.log.html | 14:31 |
| sgordon | (rbryant just pushed out bps that hadn't been approved yet) | 14:31 |
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| rkukura | sgordon: We've gone way past our scheduled slot on this channel. Not sure about the nova side BPs. | 14:32 |
| baoli | sgordon, are you asking for nova BPs on PCI passthrough? | 14:34 |
| sgordon | baoli, yes | 14:34 |
| sgordon | baoli, and any required for sr-iov too | 14:34 |
| russellb | i think we should be able to do the initial pci API, at least, but would love to get in whatever we can | 14:35 |
| russellb | need reviewer sponsors at this point on anything that wasn't already approved though | 14:35 |
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| baoli | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-extra-info-icehouse | 14:36 |
| sgordon | so that one in particular was one i was looking at | 14:36 |
| sgordon | it's no longer targeted as it has no code submissions, and no core reviewers signed up | 14:36 |
| baoli | and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov | 14:37 |
| sgordon | so we will need to find reviewrs to sponsor | 14:37 |
| baoli | those are the two BPs on the nova side | 14:37 |
| sgordon | ack | 14:38 |
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| BrianB_ | sgordon, we need the nova pci in icehouse, how do we get sponsor, do they need to be nova core? | 14:49 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | carl: hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | safchain: ping | 15:02 |
| safchain | Swami, hi | 15:03 |
| Swami | safchain:hi | 15:03 |
| Swami | jamie: ping | 15:03 |
| Swami | robin wong: ping | 15:03 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 15:04:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:04 |
| Swami | #topic F2F Meeting | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll need to join the f2f virtually. | 15:05 |
| Swami | hi folks, as I have mentioned in my previous meeting I am planning to have a face to face meeting on Feb 13th at Palo Alto to get the community feedback on the DVR proposal. The meeting will be from 11.a.m to 1.00p.m | 15:05 |
| safchain | I hope I will be able too | 15:06 |
| Swami | Carl: Yes I will send out a virtual invite to everyone today. | 15:06 |
| Swami | I will also send out a conf. bridge for people to dial in. | 15:06 |
| Swami | safchain: Have anything changed on your end for the DVR proposal, have you updated your document or else should I proceed with what you have in the document. | 15:07 |
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| safchain | Swami, I'm currently doing it, I'll finish to update it by this end of the day | 15:07 |
| safchain | so I will send you an email | 15:08 |
| Swami | safchain: thanks | 15:08 |
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| Swami | I will also update my document with some minor changes. | 15:08 |
| * carl_baldwin will now switch to my other client | 15:09 | |
| Swami | safchain: As I have mentioned earlier I would like both of our blueprints to be merged to a single blueprint with support for both North-South and East-West without affecting any of the existing services. | 15:09 |
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| safchain | Swami, sounds good | 15:10 |
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| Swami | safchain: Currently we are also trying to move the SNAT functionality to a specific node, that can be a Network Node. | 15:10 |
| Swami | but retain the floating ip and other routing functionality with the compute node. | 15:10 |
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| safchain | Swami, great so the two proposals go to same way | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Swami: are you speaking of updating the HA routers document? | 15:11 |
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| safchain | yes I pointed the blueprint | 15:11 |
| Swami | Sorry for not updating the document, I will update it in a couple of days. By thursday I should have updated the document. | 15:11 |
| Swami | Once I update I will send a message to everyone. | 15:11 |
| Swami | carl: Not the HA routers doc, but the DVR doc. | 15:11 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, Will be used for north-south when VM will not have floating ip | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay. Sorry, trying to catch up. | 15:12 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, I will send you the email with the document updated | 15:13 |
| Swami | carl: no worries, since the doc is changing constantly | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: great | 15:13 |
| safchain | to everyone | 15:13 |
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| Swami | So i think that's all I want to say about the F2F meeting. | 15:14 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: Do you have any update on the L3_agent consolidation, what is the status and who is working on it. | 15:14 |
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| Swami | topic# L3 cosolidation | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | I haven't seen much about it lately. Let me take a look. | 15:15 |
| Swami | #topic l3 consolidation | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | Isaku was working on it. | 15:15 |
| Swami | carl: do you tink it is targeted for Icehouse | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like the patch has not seen an update since early december. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | I will ping Isaku on it. | 15:17 |
| Swami | carl: Thanks | 15:17 |
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| Swami | topic; L3 service framework | 15:18 |
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| Swami | #topic L3 service framework | 15:18 |
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| Swami | carl: Is there any L3 drivers today that drives a hardware router. | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'm not sure what they are. | 15:20 |
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| yamahata | carl_baldwin, yes? | 15:21 |
| Swami | carl: The reason I am asking is, there are service framework for other services such as LBaaS and there are vendor drivers to drive a physical or virtual device. | 15:21 |
| Swami | similarly is there any driver for L3 to drive the hardware | 15:21 |
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| Swami | yamahata: hi | 15:22 |
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| Swami | Does anyone know how we should handle the DVR situation when there is a L3 hardware router or VM based router appliance that does the L3 service | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: If there is a hardware router doing L3, I think that DVR would not be possible. Or, not easy. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | If I recall, Mark's former company used a VM to do L3. It might be a good question to ask him. | 15:28 |
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| Swami | Sorry folks i got dropped | 15:31 |
| Swami | did I miss anything | 15:31 |
| safchain | Swami, no | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | Are we still having problems with free node like the other day? I don't think you miss anything. The meeting went idle when you dropped. | 15:31 |
| Swami | Yes sometimes it drops our session | 15:31 |
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| Swami | carl:yes same symptom | 15:32 |
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| Swami | safchain: How is your L3 HA going? | 15:32 |
| safchain | I almost sent all the patches related to this feature | 15:32 |
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| safchain | amuller, is working on the conntrackd patch | 15:33 |
| Swami | safchain:Ok thanks | 15:33 |
| Swami | safchain: With respect to the L3 HA, all the services that are owned or tied to the L3 agent will it be saved. | 15:34 |
| safchain | Swami, like metadata ? | 15:34 |
| Swami | today FWaaS is tied to L3 agent | 15:34 |
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| Swami | safchain: Yes also metadata. | 15:35 |
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| safchain | Swami, I have to check for the FWAAS, but if the policies/rules are inserted to each l3, I think it is ok | 15:35 |
| safchain | Swami, for the metadata it is ok | 15:36 |
| Swami | safchain:Thanks | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Are all of the patches on the bp/l3-high-availability topic? | 15:37 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, yes | 15:38 |
| safchain | bp/l3-high-availability-api | 15:38 |
| safchain | bp/l3-high-availability-keepalived | 15:38 |
| safchain | bp/l3-high-availability-scheduler | 15:38 |
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| Swami | #topic General discussion | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | safchain: I see, so there are a few topics. | 15:39 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, yes | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | ... but they are all named similarly. | 15:39 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, yes same prefix | 15:39 |
| trinaths | hi, any topic for discussion on 3rd party test setup.. | 15:41 |
| Swami | Folks I do have a hard stop at 7.45PST, if you don't have any other items I would like to summarize the action items and will end the session | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | Sorry I missed the meeting last week, had a conflict. There was talk about combining presentations or something. I didn't know what was being combined from the context in the meeting. | 15:41 |
| trinaths | wanted to know the requirements and procedure and working of a 3rd party setup | 15:41 |
| Swami | #action safchain: Will update the document | 15:41 |
| Swami | #action Swami: will update the document and will try to get it into a single doc for the F2F review. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Which blueprints were to be combined? | 15:42 |
| Swami | Carl: Right now we have two different blueprints for DVR, one from safchain and one from me. | 15:43 |
| Swami | carl: So it would be great if we could come up with a single blueprint to combine the best of both worlds. | 15:44 |
| amuller | Swami: There's also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ovs-distributed-router | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | What is the link to safchain 's blueprint? | 15:44 |
| Swami | amuller: Yes Robin wong is already part of our subteam and we are taking into the consideration the East-West. | 15:44 |
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| amuller | And there will also be a new idea by me soon. I'll make a draft for the next meeting, hopefully we'll be able to discuss/consider it | 15:45 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, no blueprint just a gdoc for now | 15:45 |
| amuller | Basically VRRP A/A, which depends on Sylvain's blueprint | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Thanks, I did see the gdoc. | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | That clears that up for me. Thanks. | 15:46 |
| Swami | amuller: It would be great if you have any idea pitch it to us as early as possible, because it would be usefull to discuss in the F2F | 15:46 |
| amuller | ok | 15:46 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, I will update it by the end of the day | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | safchain: great | 15:46 |
| Swami | amuller: The current sub-team that we are working in is based on the Icehouse summit proposals that was done for East-West and North-South, feel free to join the meeting and communicate with the sub team and we can converge. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I know you have a hard stop. That is all from me for now. Thanks. | 15:47 |
| Swami | Folks I need to stop. | 15:47 |
| Swami | Thanks for all your input and participation | 15:47 |
| Swami | Have a nice day. | 15:47 |
| Swami | See you all next week. | 15:48 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 15:48:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-05-15.04.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-05-15.04.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-05-15.04.log.html | 15:48 |
| safchain | Swami, thx for the meeting | 15:48 |
| safchain | bye all | 15:48 |
| amuller | buhbye | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | bye | 15:48 |
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| trinaths | hi, any topic for discussion on 3rd party test setup.. wanted to know the requirements and procedure and working of a 3rd party setup, any topic for discussion on 3rd party test setup.. any views on how to setup a 3rd party test setup | 15:53 |
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| asadoughi | hi | 16:01 |
| rkukura | hi ML2'ers! | 16:01 |
| lukego | Howdy | 16:01 |
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| trinaths | Hi | 16:01 |
| shivharis | Hi ML2 | 16:02 |
| matrohon | hi | 16:02 |
| trinaths | Hi rkukura | 16:02 |
| HenryG | o/ | 16:02 |
| rcurran | hello all | 16:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | mestery is presenting at a conference, so will miss today's meeting and I'll chair | 16:02 |
| banix | Hi | 16:03 |
| trinaths | okay.. | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 16:03:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
| * pcm_ lurking | 16:03 | |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| trinaths | hi rkukura, please add a topic for 3rd part testing too.. | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Looks like neutron patches are merging again finally - anyone know more details on whether the general merges are now being approved? | 16:05 |
| rkukura | trinaths: OK | 16:05 |
| lukego | (I'd like to briefly review status of the Tail-f md if that's possible. I'm not sure if I should have added that on the agenda already?) | 16:05 |
| trinaths | thank you rkukura | 16:05 |
| rkukura | lukego: OK, I think that would be under the Blueprints topic | 16:06 |
| lukego | Thanks | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | Feature proposal deadline is February 18th | 16:06 |
| rkukura | All BP implementations for icehouse must be in review by then | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Under the Blueprint topic, we can discuss prioritization, etc of the huge list | 16:07 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Item Review | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | The only formal action item was mine, which I've finally completed! | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | Looks like good discussion on the proposed port binding changes is under way on openstack-dev, so we don't need to spend too much time on it here | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Are there any quick questions or issues regarding that action item? | 16:09 |
| trinaths | i'm currently doing the improvement to the code base of fsl-sdn-os-mech-driver. this weekend will push to the git.. | 16:09 |
| matrohon | rkukura : did you already start coding your proposal? | 16:10 |
| rkukura | trinaths and everyone else implemening mechanism drivers, please take a careful look at the planned binding changes! | 16:10 |
| rkukura | matrohon: About to start | 16:10 |
| matrohon | rkukura : great! | 16:10 |
| rkukura | Anything else on action items? | 16:11 |
| amotoki | regarding havana db migration fix on ML2, there is a post on dev ML, but there seems to be no good solution so far. | 16:11 |
| shivharis | thanks for the summary email. will have to read it at least 2 more times. | 16:11 |
| trinaths | for pushing the code to upstream, 'mark and kyle' said to go for 3rd party test setup.. I was struck there.. | 16:11 |
| rkukura | #action rkukura to put result of binding changes email discussion into a wiki or google doc | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: That is the backport issue - lets talk about that under the bugs topic | 16:13 |
| amotoki | rkukura: ok. | 16:14 |
| rkukura | #topic Blueprints | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | Since many of the BPs are for new drivers, lets start with trinaths's 3rd party testing question | 16:15 |
| trinaths | thank you rkukura... | 16:15 |
| trinaths | Was att the basic to 3rd party testing.. | 16:15 |
| rkukura | trinaths: Can you summarize? | 16:15 |
| trinaths | how do to setup the 3rd party testing | 16:16 |
| trinaths | what r the requirements | 16:16 |
| trinaths | these are the doubts I have.. | 16:16 |
| banix | http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: it has been discussed a lot on the ML | 16:17 |
| HenryG | trinaths: search the ML archives | 16:17 |
| trinaths | okay.. | 16:17 |
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| trinaths | how to get the service account.. | 16:18 |
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| HenryG | trinaths: also, here is a good read to understand the underlying system: #link http://www.joinfu.com/2014/01/understanding-the-openstack-ci-system/ | 16:18 |
| shivharis | trinaths: also there is an etherpad for it (i will add the link to it on the wiki) | 16:18 |
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| irenab | here is a link #https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/multi-node-neutron-tempest | 16:18 |
| trinaths | okay.. let me understand the same .. this takes some time.. :) | 16:18 |
| banix | trinaths: how to get an account: at http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 16:18 |
| amotoki | trinaths: about service account, please send a mail to openstack-infra with information described in http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: I am trying to put together wiki on third partry testing - have not had much time to finish it - will publish next week | 16:19 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: could you share a link? I can contribute. | 16:19 |
| rkukura | trinaths: Will this get you started? | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: will do - as soon as I am done | 16:20 |
| trinaths | banix the email is a list email | 16:20 |
| banix | Jay Pipes has a wiki as well: http://www.joinfu.com | 16:20 |
| trinaths | is there any specific email to get the service account | 16:20 |
| trinaths | yes rkukura... this give a lot of info.. | 16:21 |
| trinaths | well i will start tomorrow.. | 16:21 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyione for the links! I'd like to look at these too. | 16:21 |
| banix | trinaths: yes send an email with the info requested to that list | 16:21 |
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| amotoki | trinaths: we have many malis on servcie account at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-February/thread.html | 16:21 |
| trinaths | I have already sent, anix.. they send me the URL for thirdparty.html | 16:21 |
| amotoki | let's share our knowledge on Wiki page. etherpad is hard to search. | 16:22 |
| trinaths | okay.. thank you.. amotoki.. for the link.. will look into the pages.. | 16:22 |
| trinaths | true said amotoki.. | 16:22 |
| shivharis | amotoki: +1 | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Moving on to BPs in general... | 16:22 |
| trinaths | thanks for topic rkukura... | 16:23 |
| trinaths | it helped me a lot.. | 16:23 |
| rkukura | There are 31 ML2 BPs returned by https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron?searchtext=ml2 | 16:23 |
| rkukura | I'd like to clean this up a bit, and make sure priorities and series are correct. | 16:24 |
| rkukura | Seems only fair to me that all 3rd party MD BPs should be at the same priority, probably either medium. Does that make sense? | 16:24 |
| matrohon | +1 | 16:25 |
| irenab | agree | 16:25 |
| trinaths | 1 [from my side, 'fsl-sdn-os-mech-driver' BP, with LOW priority, completed the code and waiting for 3rd party test setup... ] | 16:25 |
| trinaths | 1 | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | +1 | 16:25 |
| sadasu | +1 about 3rd party MD BP priority | 16:26 |
| amotoki | Agree with the same priority. | 16:26 |
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| shivharis | +1 | 16:26 |
| amotoki | All have "low" is another idea. too many medium BPs make it diffictult to track. | 16:26 |
| rkukura | See we need to get the ones that we think can make icehouse approved. | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | I'm fine with either medium or low for these, but don't want them to fall below the radar for reviewers. | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | I like amotoki's idea - start with low priority for all and as they meet the third part requirement- bump up the priority to medium | 16:27 |
| trinaths | sukhdev +1 | 16:28 |
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| irenab | and whicj already has 3rd party testing, start with medium | 16:28 |
| irenab | ^which | 16:29 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:29 |
| matrohon | +1 | 16:29 |
| HenryG | sounds good | 16:29 |
| shivharis | rkukura: there is a chicken egg prblem in that | 16:30 |
| rkukura | shivharis: I was trying to articulate the same thing | 16:30 |
| shivharis | if the code is not in the master, you cannot run third party anywasys | 16:30 |
| shivharis | sukhdev: -1 | 16:30 |
| rkukura | Is setting up the jenkins job before the code is merged possible? | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: why not? | 16:31 |
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| banix | rkukura: yes | 16:31 |
| shivharis | you need to pull in the branch of a new checkin which should already have your ml2 code in it | 16:31 |
| shivharis | hence u cannot test, ifyour ml2 is not in the master to begin with | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | when you run third party testing, you are applying patches anyways why can you apply your own patch before kicking the testing? | 16:31 |
| banix | no you can bring in a patch set under review | 16:31 |
| amotoki | we can run tests for proposed commits, so third party testing works. | 16:32 |
| banix | no need for it to be merged before testing | 16:32 |
| HenryG | In fact, that is how your 3rd party testing should be set up | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | So the tests would not actually test the new MD until it gets merged, right? | 16:32 |
| shivharis | rkukura: correct | 16:33 |
| banix | and the merge should happen after third part tests pass | 16:33 |
| banix | rkukura: not really | 16:33 |
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| banix | the test should test the new MD | 16:33 |
| rkukura | But should the jenkins job test the patch set(s) proposed to implement the new MD? | 16:33 |
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| banix | rkukura: yes | 16:34 |
| HenryG | exactly | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: not really - that is not true | 16:34 |
| rkukura | Seems the job would need to run the test only iff the branch contains the MD | 16:34 |
| trinaths | sukhdev: jenkins surely tests the code. | 16:34 |
| banix | you setup your test so it can get triggered as you submit a patch to your new MD or plugin | 16:35 |
| HenryG | ^^^ what banix says | 16:35 |
| HenryG | plus, you should trigger on all core code patches too | 16:35 |
| amotoki | we setup third party testing for proposed patches. but it really helps us to debug our own plugins/drivers against the master branch. | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | banix, HenryG: correct | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: +1 | 16:37 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: your call | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | So, I do not see chicken and egg problem :-) | 16:37 |
| rkukura | So are we agreeing that BPs for new MDs should be low priority until they have the jenkins job in place that will test the patch sets submitted to implement the MD, then they should get bumped to medium? | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: +1 | 16:38 |
| amotoki | +1 | 16:38 |
| banix | sounds reasonable | 16:38 |
| rkukura | Any objections? | 16:39 |
| rcurran | +1 | 16:39 |
| trinaths | +1 | 16:39 |
| shivharis | So we only test the patchset that has the MD. not CI. | 16:39 |
| banix | and all submissions by Jenkins | 16:39 |
| lukego | We are struggling with the 3rd party testing, don't know if now is the time to broach that topic... | 16:39 |
| jaypipes | hi all, sorry I missed above... | 16:39 |
| banix | that is the stated requirement; not sure if it is being enforced | 16:39 |
| matrohon | what about opensource MD (l2-pop, ovs, lb). like 3rd party, They need multi-node setup which is not available in openstack-infra by now | 16:40 |
| banix | jaypipes: I referred to your blog wrt testing | 16:40 |
| jaypipes | was wondering what the percentage of you all that are using Jenkins Gerrit plugin as your triggering agent vs. Zuul is. Can I get a show of hands of how many use the Jenkins Gerrit plugin please? | 16:40 |
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| banix | Gerrit Plugin for us | 16:40 |
| irenab | also for us | 16:41 |
| rkukura | #action: rkukura to change priorities of all new 3rd party MD BPs to low if they do not already have jenkins job in place. | 16:41 |
| HenryG | gerrit, not zuul | 16:41 |
| jaypipes | trinaths, Sukhdev? Gerrit Jenkins plugin? | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | jaypipes: I am using jenkins with Gerrit Plugin - you saw my setup in Montreal :-) | 16:41 |
| amotoki | at now i am using Gerrit plugin and now testing zuul. It seems easy to migrate from gerrit plugin to zuul. | 16:41 |
| jaypipes | Sukhdev: k, I thought so... just wanted to check you had not changed :) | 16:41 |
| shivharis | jaypipes: wrote our own from scratch | 16:42 |
| jaypipes | amotoki: k, thx. | 16:42 |
| jaypipes | shivharis: yikes :) | 16:42 |
| trinaths | jaypipes: me need to start the setup.. | 16:42 |
| shivharis | jaypipes: very flexible | 16:42 |
| jaypipes | shivharis: did you use Zuul as a model? | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | jaypipes: using our own setup gives us flexibility of being light weight :-):-) | 16:43 |
| shivharis | no, pure python code | 16:43 |
| jaypipes | shivharis: so, like Zuul then :) | 16:43 |
| shivharis | yup. | 16:43 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Good point about multi-node testing of the non-3rd-party drivers. | 16:43 |
| jaypipes | kk, thx all. I should have the puppet modules in http://github.com/jaypipes/os-ext-testing setting up Zuul sometime today (replacing the use of the Gerrit Jenkins plugin) | 16:44 |
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| jaypipes | sorry for interrupting, rkukura | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | Lets put multi-node testing of the non-3rd-party drivers on the agenda for next week | 16:45 |
| matrohon | rkukura : ok | 16:45 |
| rkukura | proposals/ideas/implementations are welcome | 16:45 |
| matrohon | rkukura : we are working on it | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | jaypipes: The real issue I am faced with (I am sure others are hitting or will hit) is the kind of tests to run and what services to enable - as opposed to the framework itself | 16:46 |
| rkukura | So we have many BPs that are not introducing new MDs | 16:46 |
| matrohon | with multi-node setup with lxc | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | wondering if there is a need for separate neutron 3rd party testing meeting(s)? | 16:47 |
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| lukego | I'd like a neutron 3rdty party testing therapy session :) | 16:47 |
| banix | rkukura: there have been already a couple of such meetings | 16:47 |
| rkukura | banix: Right, wondering if more are needed? | 16:47 |
| jaypipes | rkukura: actually, I think there's a need for a cross-project 3rd party testing meeting... | 16:47 |
| amotoki | AFAIK it is not scheduled now, but many folks are more interested in it than a month ago. | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: it may be a good idea - but, agenda should not focus on CI - but, on what to test, what servvices should be enabled when running devstack | 16:47 |
| trinaths | jaypipes: can you share your wiki link about the procedure to setup and 3rd party test setup | 16:48 |
| jaypipes | rkukura: since many vendors in cinder, nova, and neutron are struggling with setups. | 16:48 |
| jaypipes | trinaths: I will share it when I'm done (hopefully today!) | 16:48 |
| banix | I think we need a clear detailed wiki describing how to do this | 16:48 |
| amotoki | jaypipes: great | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Maybe two different discussions, general 3rd party testing vs. neutron-specific, such as which tempest tests | 16:49 |
| lukego | 3rd party testing doesn't bring us much benefit, because our driver is so simple and we're happy with the unit tests, but it has got us into a fight with #openstack-infra, and we feel the threat of "deprecation". #sadface | 16:49 |
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| banix | jaypipes has a good post about using zuul and I think he is going to have another with Gerrit plugin | 16:49 |
| trinaths | jaypipes: okay | 16:49 |
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| trinaths | banix +1 | 16:49 |
| rkukura | lukego: You might appreciate it more when my merge breaks your driver;-) | 16:49 |
| shivharis | rkukura: thanks for that! | 16:50 |
| matrohon | i'd like to see this BP at a higer level : | 16:50 |
| matrohon | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-typedriver-extra-port-info | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes, we need to understand what to test from Neutron point of view - I spoke with Mark when in Montreal - he wants full gate testing, which requires many services to be enabled | 16:50 |
| lukego | rkukura: breaks integration tests without breaking unit tests? | 16:50 |
| rkukura | sorry, snow plow was stuck in our driveway | 16:50 |
| banix | Beautiful Northeast. Digging out in NYC as well :) | 16:51 |
| lukego | rkukura: all the OpenStack ever sees from our 3rd party system is "200 OK".. the logic is so basic that nothing more is needed | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Can I bring up an issue that I am seeing with devstack while doing 3rd party testing with ML2 Plugin? | 16:53 |
| rkukura | matrohon: That's the one that lets type drivers put info the get_device_details response. Seems mechanism drivers need to do this as well. How about kicking off an email discussion on this? | 16:53 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: sure | 16:53 |
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| amotoki | Apart from third party testing, another concern towards I-3 is how to coordinate changes in ML2 main code (such as binding issues) and MD patches. The change in main code requires to rebase and refactor all MD patches. | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | when we run devstack, neutron invokes neutron-debug probe-create (which makes create_port_pre/post call) The port context/port structure fields are not set correctly, and causes the ML2 drivers to fail | 16:55 |
| rkukura | We've got 5 minutes left. | 16:55 |
| matrohon | rkukura : this is not this one, but asomya told us that he was waiting for this BP to merge besore proposing its patch to allow MD to add info in get_device_details | 16:55 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is there a bug for that? | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: do not know | 16:56 |
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| shivharis | sukhdev: file a bug | 16:56 |
| rkukura | matrohon my question is whether MD should control the RPC response, and get the info fro the TD if needed | 16:57 |
| rkukura | I'll try to ping owners of all the BPs in the next couple days and get priorities and approvals sorted out. | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Next week we can check status based on priority and make sure we are on track for feature proposal freeze | 16:58 |
| trinaths | okay | 16:58 |
| matrohon | rkukura : ok, that could be a way of implementing this! | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: sounds good | 16:59 |
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| HenryG | matrohon: can you keep me and asomya in the loop on that? | 17:00 |
| rkukura | We didn't cover bugs today, but the VIF security issue needs resolution. See http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/026060.html | 17:00 |
| rkukura | #topic open discussion | 17:00 |
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| asadoughi | ovs-firewall-driver update: should be pushing out code for a firewall driver review before the next meeting, making minor adjustments to existing assign vlans review as well to accomodate that | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | asadoughi: Great! Thanks for the update! | 17:01 |
| rkukura | anything else? | 17:01 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 17:01:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-05-16.03.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-05-16.03.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-05-16.03.log.html | 17:01 |
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| vinod | #startmeeting designate | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 17:03:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vinod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:03 |
| vinod | Who's here today? | 17:03 |
| richm | Rich | 17:03 |
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| vinod | Joe and Betsy will be joining the meeting shortly | 17:03 |
| jmcbride | I'm here | 17:03 |
| vinod | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:04 |
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| vinod | kiall had an action item to write a mini-dns spec ahead of the summit | 17:05 |
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| vinod | I would consider that done | 17:05 |
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| jmcbride | really? do you have a link to the spec? | 17:05 |
| betsy | here | 17:05 |
| eankutse | eankutse | 17:05 |
| vinod | The action item here was creating the spec just for the summit | 17:06 |
| vinod | and not a detailed mini-dns spec | 17:06 |
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| jmcbride | I see, so you are referring to the doc he prepared for last week's workshop. | 17:06 |
| vinod | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/MiniDNS | 17:07 |
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| vinod | Moving onto the next topic | 17:07 |
| vinod | #topic Recap on Designate Mini-Summit in Austin | 17:07 |
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| jmcbride | If memory serves me right, vinod and richm were going to get something together for the dev list. | 17:08 |
| vinod | Anybody have things to share from the summit | 17:08 |
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| vinod | I think Rich posted some notes internally in RedHat | 17:09 |
| richm | I sent email to openstack-dev with summit summary | 17:09 |
| richm | and sent to our internal rhos list | 17:09 |
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| jmcbride | cool (I missed it) | 17:09 |
| richm | I put [designate] in the Subject | 17:09 |
| richm | That seems to be the convention | 17:09 |
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| betsy | Yes. I saw it last week. Thanks richm | 17:10 |
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| jmcbride | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/026023.html | 17:10 |
| vinod | Thanks Joe for the link - I was trying to search for it | 17:11 |
| jmcbride | my google foo is high today ;) | 17:11 |
| vinod | Anybody have anything else to add | 17:12 |
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| vinod | #topic Action items from the summit | 17:12 |
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| vinod | Tim had one action item - What is current average commit size? | 17:12 |
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| vinod | He Wrote a script that sort of works (counts merge commits twice) | 17:13 |
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| vinod | If memory serves right, based on that the average commit size has ~ 194 adds and ~134 deletes | 17:13 |
| vinod | Tim is not around now to verify | 17:14 |
| vinod | But the average commit size for the last year for use seems to be ~ 350 lines | 17:14 |
| vinod | #link https://github.com/Squab/commit-stats | 17:14 |
| vinod | By comparision Solum seemed to average ~ 100 lines per commit | 17:15 |
| jmcbride | Seems like we need to ratify the original intent of that action item: agree to limit commit sizes to less than 350 lines. | 17:15 |
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| jmcbride | but without kiall and mugsie, I don't think we can establish that just yet. | 17:16 |
| betsy | Do we actually need a hard upper limit? | 17:16 |
| betsy | Or a goal to shoot for? | 17:16 |
| richm | I think that seems reasonable for now - once we start having a few other committers and reviewers, we can adjust | 17:16 |
| jmcbride | I'd call it a guideline or goal | 17:16 |
| betsy | Okay | 17:16 |
| richm | yeah, I don't think we want to have gerrit outright reject large patches | 17:17 |
| vinod | I would vote for it to be a guideline rather than a hard upper limit | 17:17 |
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| betsy | vinod: agree | 17:17 |
| eankutse | guideline is good | 17:17 |
| richm | The reviewer can say "hey, can you split this commit?" | 17:17 |
| vinod | We could add it to the documentation in the Getting Involved section | 17:17 |
| eankutse | that's what solum does too | 17:17 |
| jmcbride | On second thought, I think kiall and mugsie were cool with 350. | 17:17 |
| betsy | In that note, we probably need to make the blueprints smaller -- maybe subdivide them | 17:17 |
| jmcbride | vinod: that sounds like an action item to me! | 17:18 |
| betsy | jmcbride: that's my memory, too | 17:18 |
| jmcbride | betsy: good point | 17:18 |
| jmcbride | I think the action is: notify designate devs via the email list about this proposed change. Then update the documentation. | 17:19 |
| vinod | #action vinod update the Getting Involved Section in the documentation for suggested lines of code / commit | 17:19 |
| jmcbride | vinod: cool, make sure you update the openstack dev list too. | 17:20 |
| vinod | betsy: regarding splitting the blueprints - yes that would be ideal | 17:20 |
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| betsy | vinod: Might add that to the documentation, too | 17:20 |
| vinod | The blueprint owners should probably spend some time and split their existing blueprints into smaller ones | 17:21 |
| betsy | vinod: I agree | 17:21 |
| vinod | or rather add new blueprints for smaller work items and track it to the main blueprint | 17:21 |
| jmcbride | vinod: lets address this as we review/start on new blueprints | 17:21 |
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| vinod | #action (all) review/add new blueprints as needed to track smaller work items | 17:22 |
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| vinod | The next action item from the summit was "Atlanta summit abstracts on talks/workshop." | 17:23 |
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| vinod | I updated the abstract for workshop | 17:24 |
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| vinod | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Atlanta#Workshop | 17:24 |
| vinod | Feel free to update the wiki page with your comments/suggestions or send them to me and I will update the page | 17:24 |
| vinod | Tim wrote an abstract for the talk about new features | 17:25 |
| vinod | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIprT3xEzujFPWJhVGnIKRdsB7gkmpgTgo0DfG3Ml4s/edit?pli=1 | 17:25 |
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| vinod | I don't have any updates from mugsie and kiall on the abstract for the other 2 talks | 17:26 |
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| vinod | Next action item from the summit - "Get feedback from TC on major architectural reworks and Designates chances of incubation." | 17:27 |
| richm | I think they are still on vacation - probably nothing until next week, I'm guessing | 17:27 |
| vinod | richm: That is right | 17:27 |
| vinod | We still have time until next Fri to submit the abstracts | 17:27 |
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| vinod | rich I think you mentioned that Designate's chances for incubation are bright. Do you have any other feedback to share? | 17:28 |
| richm | I emailed Mark McLoughlin - he said designate looks very good for incubation status - the only real problem last time was too few committers | 17:28 |
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| richm | Also, about the term "Registered Program" - | 17:29 |
| richm | Mark says: "I haven't heard the term "registered program", but programs are essentially OpenStack's sub-projects except we use the term "program" to recognize that sub-projects can consist of multiple repos (even projects like Nova have nova and python-novaclient) and that not all sub-projects are like the "service" projects we typically think of (e.g. infra, docs, oslo, release management). However, only "service" sub-pro | 17:29 |
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| eankutse | We also agreed that it would be best to finish the miniDNS architecture changes in preparation for incubation | 17:30 |
| jmcbride | richm: so is a "program" about the service and related tools (e.g. testing, deploy and cli repos)? | 17:30 |
| richm | That's what it seems to me, yes | 17:31 |
| jmcbride | Or is a "program" a group of related services (Nuetron, other networking services)? | 17:31 |
| richm | Looks like there could be some judgement by the TC involved with that | 17:32 |
| vinod | betsy: do you have any more information on the incubation status? | 17:32 |
| betsy | vinod: Haven't gotten a chance to follow up with Anne Gentle yet | 17:32 |
| betsy | Will give feedback next week | 17:32 |
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| richm | It seems to me that, if designate is incubated, that would include python-designateclient too | 17:33 |
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| jmcbride | richm: yep | 17:33 |
| betsy | richm: I would hope so | 17:33 |
| jmcbride | Regarding incubation, I would like to know from the TC folks what impact having v2 and mini-dns looming over the project will have on incubation. | 17:33 |
| * artom always considered the client part of designate... | 17:33 | |
| richm | Not sure if there are currently any other "sub-projects" of designate | 17:33 |
| jmcbride | richm and betsy: can you guys inquire about those items? | 17:34 |
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| betsy | jmcbride: Will do | 17:34 |
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| richm | jmcbride: Ok, will ask | 17:34 |
| vinod | #action Betsy and Rich to followup on incubation status wrt v2 and mini-dns | 17:34 |
| jmcbride | thanks | 17:35 |
| vinod | There were a bunch of other action items from the summit relating to adding/updating blueprints | 17:35 |
| vinod | I did not specifically add them to the agenda | 17:36 |
| vinod | Anybody have anything to share here - I noticed that some of the items are marked as done in etherpad | 17:36 |
| jmcbride | yes, there was quite a bit there. I finished mine and simply added a bolded "DONE" next to them. | 17:37 |
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| vinod | #topic Open Discussion | 17:37 |
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| vinod | Anything on people's mind at this point - here is your chance | 17:38 |
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| jmcbride | richm, out of curiosity, what do you think your team will focus on for development? | 17:38 |
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| richm | First thing will be to do an ipa (bind+ldap) backend | 17:39 |
| richm | I have some concerns about minidns | 17:39 |
| jmcbride | yep, seems like that could be a bit of a blocker for you getting started. | 17:39 |
| richm | One is that we have customers that will refuse to allow any other service to "master" the dns data | 17:40 |
| richm | including minidns | 17:40 |
| eankutse | richm: regarding your concerns about miniDNS | 17:40 |
| richm | Another is latency - writing an update over LDAP to bind+ldap is very, very fast | 17:40 |
| eankutse | would you like to document them under the propoal? | 17:40 |
| richm | eankutse: Yes | 17:40 |
| eankutse | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/MiniDNS | 17:41 |
| richm | From the perspective of Rackspace and the other folks here, are either of those issues a concern? | 17:41 |
| eankutse | I have a few things that I think will guide implementation | 17:41 |
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| eankutse | I should add them to the wiki as well | 17:41 |
| jmcbride | richm: what use case do those customers have? Are they tracking their user's desktops or do they track servers in app (for example)? | 17:41 |
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| jmcbride | richm: at the moment, no) | 17:42 |
| jmcbride | but understanding your use case may make us realize it is a problem. | 17:43 |
| richm | When a new machine is created in openstack (e.g. nova), you may need to immediately issue ssl certs and/or kerberos keytabs | 17:43 |
| richm | e.g. keystone | 17:43 |
| richm | in order to do that, you need a fqdn for the machine | 17:43 |
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| richm | if a client wants to connect to that machine, the client will need that fqdn to resolve forward and reverse in DNS | 17:44 |
| jmcbride | so how does ldap fit into nova? | 17:44 |
| artom | richm, not necessarily reverse, but go on ;) | 17:44 |
| richm | by reverse, I mean that the client and server may only know the ip address of its peer | 17:45 |
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| richm | the client or server will also have the ssl cert or kerberos credentials from the peer | 17:46 |
| richm | the cert or credentials will usually have the fqdn of the peer | 17:46 |
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| richm | for security, the client or server will want to verify that the ip address resolves to that fqdn | 17:46 |
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| artom | Ah! | 17:47 |
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| richm | basically, ssl and kerberos depend on having fqdn and dns working | 17:48 |
| jmcbride | what system issues and manages the certificates? | 17:49 |
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| richm | keystone will, at some point | 17:50 |
| richm | not sure what the current status is | 17:51 |
| jmcbride | richm: why don't we add an action item for you to document these points so that we can address them at the next IRC (that will give people an opportunity to research a bit too). | 17:51 |
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| richm | We have customers that use Windows Active Directory Domain Controller as their authoritative DNS for their enterprise | 17:51 |
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| richm | They will _not_ want to migrate their data to minidns | 17:52 |
| jmcbride | seems to me that minidns is an internal implementation of desigante | 17:52 |
| artom | Won't they *have* to migrate to Designate^ | 17:52 |
| artom | ? | 17:52 |
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| richm | Why? | 17:52 |
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| artom | If they want to use the REST API to manage their DNS... | 17:53 |
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| richm | So designate _is_ the DNS, not just a _frontend_ to the DNS? | 17:54 |
| kiall | Heya - Just realize the time! Apologies :) | 17:54 |
| jmcbride | Fundamentally, Designate is the REST API + backend DNS + a databased for all zones/records | 17:54 |
| artom | Now, it could be that they would be more comfortable using the current backend model and getting a backend for AD... | 17:54 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:54 |
| betsy | kiall: heya | 17:54 |
| jmcbride | kiall: shouldn't you be on vacation? | 17:54 |
| artom | But if they use Designate, storage comes with it ;) | 17:54 |
| kiall | Waiting around in the hotel room to head to the airport ;) | 17:54 |
| richm | artom: Yes - that is what some of our customers will want - they will just want to use designate as a restful + mq aware frontend to their DNS | 17:54 |
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| artom | Hrmm, yeah, I can see how minidns would not work in that case... | 17:55 |
| richm | and use a backend provided by designate, or provide a backend of their own to tie designate to their master DNS | 17:55 |
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| artom | Essentially by using minidns we're forcing all users to give up any DNS servers that can't operate in slave move. | 17:56 |
| artom | *mode | 17:56 |
| kiall | richm: (only read half the logs..) I think we'll always have users who want to have something like MS AD as their auth nameservers. I'm skeptical of the value of that other than making the politics easier... | 17:56 |
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| richm | kiall: It is almost always politics | 17:56 |
| kiall | The Q is, is that in scope for designate? I'd argue that it's not, but others may have different opinions.\ | 17:57 |
| betsy | kiall: agree | 17:57 |
| kiall | Designate has always had a "Designate owns the nameserver, all of it" policy .. MS AD DNS doesn't fit that model | 17:57 |
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| richm | kiall: I don't understand - was the purpose of designate always to be the authoritative DNS? | 17:57 |
| richm | Then designate will shut out a lot of our customers | 17:57 |
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| kiall | richm: yes, it's intended to be authoritative and the single point of control over the nameservers it manages.. Long term, things like integrating with MS AD are doable with inbound AXFR | 17:58 |
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| kiall | So - MS AD controls the various AD specific (sub-)zones, and designate would AXFR those from the AD DNS's into the queryable DNS servers | 17:58 |
| richm | Is this written down somewhere? | 17:58 |
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| kiall | richm: no, and I'm still working on half context here.. Missed a lot of the start of this conversation! | 17:59 |
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| vinod | #action Rich to document the minidns concerns on the wiki spec | 18:00 |
| richm | To me, looking at the current state of the designate design, was that designate was basically a rest + mq frontend to whatever backend DNS you wanted to use | 18:00 |
| vinod | We could talk about this again in the irc and follow up in the next meeting | 18:00 |
| betsy | As we are out of time | 18:00 |
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| vinod | Given that it is 12:00 and trove will have a meeting here now | 18:00 |
| richm | Ok - moving over to #designate | 18:00 |
| betsy | Another team starts now | 18:00 |
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| vinod | bye folks | 18:00 |
| kiall | richm: yes, technically is is.. And it still will be, just the mechanics are changing a bit | 18:00 |
| kiall | Anyway - hub_cap is about to rage if whoever started this meeting doesn't #endmeeting soon :) | 18:00 |
| vinod | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 18:01:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-05-17.03.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-05-17.03.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-05-17.03.log.html | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | thanks kiall! | 18:01 |
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| cp16net | woor | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | hello | 18:01 |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:01 |
| glucas | Hi | 18:01 |
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| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 18:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| hub_cap | hiall | 18:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:02 |
| abramley | hi | 18:02 |
| datsun180b | oh boy | 18:02 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:02 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| cp16net | hi all | 18:02 |
| kevinconway | o/ | 18:02 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | hello | 18:02 |
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| denis_makogon | maybe we should start with updates from last meeting ? | 18:03 |
| vgnbkr_1 | o/ | 18:03 |
| doug_shelley66 | o/ | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: ? | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | tempest stuff | 18:03 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: if u want to talk about something | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | put it on the agenda | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | ok | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | #topic tempest | 18:04 |
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| hub_cap | SlickNik: denis_makogon would like to know whats up w/ this | 18:04 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, any news about image elements ? | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: nope, still WIP. | 18:05 |
| juice | o/ | 18:05 |
| denis_makogon | oh, ok | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | I'm waiting for reviews on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69501/ | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | awesome SlickNik | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | im glad u didnt add /xml/ tests :) | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: have you started writing other tempest tests that are not dependent on image-elements? | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: I'm not going to :) | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, i'm still learing tempest | 18:06 |
| jimbobhickville | I'm sure glad i spent that week figuring out how to make XML work with scheduled tasks :P | 18:06 |
| cp16net | lol | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | lets talk about it later | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | If so, please update: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-tempest-items | 18:07 |
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| hub_cap | jimbobhickville: :) | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | so moving on? | 18:07 |
| datsun180b | i'm glad i spent that time working on the file suffix fix | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | I'm gonna ask around #openstack-qa this week to get that patch reviewed. | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | lol datsun180b | 18:07 |
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| hub_cap | #topic i3 status | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | Yup, not much else to report on that. | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | so we have a few not started and a few unknown states | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | if u own one of these plz fix teh state of it, if its being worked on | 18:08 |
| datsun180b | undefined eh | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | if its not being worked on yet, talk to me, even if youve talked to me already | 18:08 |
| datsun180b | well the one i own is in review presently | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: privately :) | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | i wont change it right now cuz ill stop payin attn | 18:09 |
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| hub_cap | ok so, if is not in i3, its not going to be reviewed or merged till after the mid cycle sprint | 18:10 |
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| hub_cap | if i -2 you (or another core member fdoes) plz talk to us about it | 18:10 |
| hub_cap | if u feel it needs to be in i3 | 18:10 |
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| hub_cap | otehrwise we will remove -2's after i3 is cut | 18:11 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap: any way to keep reviews alive until then? | 18:11 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: yup, click the button every 2 wks :/ | 18:11 |
| kevinconway | -_- | 18:11 |
| hub_cap | yea it sux | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | yeah, I know. :/ | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | ok any q's about it? | 18:12 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 18:12 |
| cp16net | got some work ahead | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | ok movin on | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | #topic mid cycle sprint | 18:13 |
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| hub_cap | so weve got some great progress on this | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 18:13 |
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| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/IcehouseCycleMeetup | 18:13 |
| amytron | done | 18:13 |
| datsun180b | apparently it's impossible to get a flight from ABIA to ABIA | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | if u look under event details, ther eis a schedule now | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | amy has finished the meetup | 18:13 |
| datsun180b | all you get are weird looks from the ticket agents | 18:13 |
| amytron | haha my bad | 18:13 |
| amytron | wrong window | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | lol @ datsun180b | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | You need 2 round trip tickets :P | 18:14 |
| vgnbkr_1 | datsun180b: slip a redcap $2[ | 18:14 |
| hub_cap | and we have some events that are being put on too, sponsored by parelastic, hp and rackspace | 18:15 |
| vgnbkr_1 | datsun180b: slip a redcap $20 - I'm sure he'd be happy to cart you around the airport. | 18:15 |
| datsun180b | "Where you goin?" "Here" | 18:15 |
| amytron | hey all - if you're a registered trove meetup participant, pls respond to hub_cap with your size by 21:00 UTC | 18:15 |
| amytron | t-shirt size | 18:15 |
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| hub_cap | ^ ^ ^ | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | ill be coming for u if i dont have your info | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | so for our remoters, we need to come up w a solution | 18:15 |
| amytron | otherwise, you're getting a large by default | 18:15 |
| jimbobhickville | how many peeps we expectin? | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | i think maybe a google hangout w/ someone monitoring irc could ork | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | jimbobhickville: its close to 30 now | 18:16 |
| jimbobhickville | nice | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | in a room that fits 20~25 "comfortably" | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | so, be prepared to stand | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, hangout would be perfect | 18:16 |
| mattgriffin1 | +1 | 18:16 |
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| hub_cap | denis_makogon: k. ill be sure to set it up | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | mattgriffin: ^ ^ | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | thanks, a lot | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | ill send the info to the ML | 18:17 |
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| mattgriffin | hub_cap: thanks! | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | #action hub_cap to set up hangouts for the trove meetup | 18:17 |
| jmontemayor | http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5034f4cf69beddb425000017/a-robotics-startup-is-putting-an-ipad-on-a-segway-like-roller-and-selling-it-for-2499.jpg | 18:17 |
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| grapex | jmontemayor: Good idea | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | id also like to put together a keysigning party | 18:18 |
| hub_cap | which ive never done before | 18:18 |
| hub_cap | so it might be a bit shaky | 18:18 |
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| cp16net | yeah that sounds fun | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | hub_cap: I can help put that together. | 18:19 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:19 |
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| hub_cap | SlickNik: ok perfect | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | Let me get a wiki page going for it. | 18:20 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: k, i already have a good bit of info | 18:20 |
| juice | I know all about gpg keysigning | 18:20 |
| juice | :) | 18:20 |
| vipul | i know all about parties | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | lol vipul | 18:21 |
| juice | it's rather trivial process assuming everyone can identify their key and you trust them | 18:21 |
| juice | I think we can skip the part of the process where you show them your state/gov ID :) | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | you don't really do the keysigning at the party. | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | All you do is verify their identity, and ensure that you have the right key for them. | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | Once that's done, you can sign it at your leisure. | 18:21 |
| hub_cap | NO SIGNING AT THE PARTY! | 18:21 |
| hub_cap | NO LAPTOPS! | 18:21 |
| juice | awwwww | 18:22 |
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| juice | boo | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: and i will put together some info | 18:22 |
| juice | what if it is to setup a LAN party to play league of legends :) | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | and send everyone emails aobut what to do for prep | 18:22 |
| kevinconway | i've got six or seven keys i need signed at the meet up. | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: then u suck at pgp | 18:22 |
| cp16net | no laptops at the meetup? | 18:22 |
| kevinconway | i'll be in the back | 18:22 |
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| hub_cap | cp16net: fail... | 18:22 |
| cp16net | lol | 18:22 |
| jimbobhickville | just at the key party cp16net | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | ok lets move on :) | 18:22 |
| grapex | kevinconway: I get this sinking feeling we'll later have to testify against you for some form of tax evasion... | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | #topic extensions management | 18:23 |
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| denis_makogon | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vsrndOmtCwO2Cb7_6JCE6XZd1kyjWVGCBsjXeT0WOuM/edit?usp=sharing | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: do u not remember that we had a HUGE discussion on this already? | 18:23 |
| denis_makogon | i've sent the ML | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | and came to conclusions? | 18:23 |
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| hub_cap | you participated | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | cweid was the owner and we talked abou twhat we would do | 18:23 |
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| denis_makogon | i remember, we came into capabilities | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | did u encorporate that discussion into your thoughts? | 18:24 |
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| jimbobhickville | man, hub_cap, expecting people to remember things? what's up with that? | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | right and now kaleb is working on capabilities | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | jimbobhickville: lol | 18:24 |
| grapex | I have a comment about item #3- "each method should raise NotImplemented exception" | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | kalebpomeroy: thas kaleb | 18:24 |
| grapex | I think we shouldn't bother raising that. If the method isn't there, it won't be callable and will fail either way | 18:24 |
| denis_makogon | yes, i researched over capabilities and found out that trove hasn't got enough flexibility to allows such things | 18:24 |
| jimbobhickville | I concur with grapex, the lack of the method existing should be enough of an exception | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: did u talk to kalebpomeroy who is working on it? | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | because capabilities doesnt exist yet really denis_makogon | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | and its just a blueprint | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | this seems to duplicate that in a way | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | users is a capability of trove, so is volumes | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | so is root.. etc... | 18:26 |
| denis_makogon | no, because i didn't knew that he's on that, and there were no ML's about trove and its capabilities | 18:26 |
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| hub_cap | ya we have been discussing it at rax, hes brought it up in the channel | 18:27 |
| kalebpomeroy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/trove-capabilities | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | so lets see how those can work together, can u work w/ kalebpomeroy denis_makogon ? | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | maybe there is overlap between these | 18:27 |
| denis_makogon | i suppose, channel discussions is not enough, thought | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | kalebpomeroy: is there a blueprint too? | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: definitely | 18:27 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, yes, i will | 18:27 |
| kalebpomeroy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/capabilities | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | this was a mistake on my end, i told him to hold off cuz we were going to discuss in the trove mid cycle sprint denis_makogon | 18:28 |
| denis_makogon | kalebpomeroy, lets talk about that after meeting | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | kalebpomeroy: was going to send a ML | 18:28 |
| kalebpomeroy | denis_makogon: K | 18:28 |
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| denis_makogon | hub_cap, i raised this question because amcrn wrote me several times at mongo and cassandra reviews | 18:29 |
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| denis_makogon | so i decided to go it asap | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: its fine | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | we can solve it together | 18:29 |
| denis_makogon | since redis passed through, i decided to do that asap | 18:29 |
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| hub_cap | ok so anythign else to add to this? | 18:30 |
| denis_makogon | no | 18:30 |
| hub_cap | yall gonna chat about it after, cool | 18:30 |
| denis_makogon | maybe we need ML about capabilities before meet-up | 18:30 |
| hub_cap | #topic security groups | 18:31 |
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| denis_makogon | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/12zy7KYzB3e8fHjHlflU-JevN_rbkOgei4ZjGusgq1bQ/edit?usp=sharing | 18:31 |
| denis_makogon | if there are no objections about oslo groups per datastore and about single ports and port ranges | 18:31 |
| denis_makogon | are there any suggestions for this topic ? | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: did u and I and amcrn talk about this a while ago? | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | and agree on this? | 18:32 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | im pretty sure we wantd to do nested groups, but we couldnt | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | that still doenst exist in oslo rigth? | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | *right? | 18:32 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 18:32 |
| denis_makogon | only stand alone groups | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | perfect | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | then i re-approve this denis_makogon :) | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | #topic backup-restore encryption | 18:33 |
| denis_makogon | so, after some research over oslo and other possible ways, i found out that given implementation is more than enough | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | This looks more reasonable, with the ranges. | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | yea | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | its great work | 18:34 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cp-S_KiJjEEo_ZIgWA8lK1pLd5aWITOnnwUGEQU3yME/edit?usp=sharing | 18:34 |
| denis_makogon | i'd not suggest to perform integration with BBQ, until it's not integrated into DevStack fully | 18:34 |
| denis_makogon | solum followed that way and they stacked | 18:35 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: BBQ? | 18:35 |
| cp16net | lol bbq | 18:35 |
| grapex | That sounds delicious | 18:35 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, Barbican | 18:35 |
| hub_cap | is that barbican? | 18:35 |
| hub_cap | hahahhah | 18:35 |
| cp16net | i made some this past weekend | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | Barbican | 18:35 |
| grapex | Is Barbican's nickname really BBQ? Because if so that is awesome. | 18:35 |
| denis_makogon | Barbican is long enough to write its name fully | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | BBQ is enough | 18:36 |
| hub_cap | barbican is requesting incubation | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | or Barby cannon | 18:36 |
| hub_cap | barbie ;) | 18:36 |
| esp | I'm getting hungry | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | lol | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Where did the Q come from? Shouldn't it be BBC? :P | 18:36 |
| jimbobhickville | Barbie is a registered trademark, it will never get incubated | 18:37 |
| kevinconway | BBC, code name Dr. Who? | 18:37 |
| denis_makogon | i suggest to make driver driven strategy | 18:37 |
| hub_cap | hehe lets get off the name | 18:37 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: sure, just like dns | 18:37 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 18:37 |
| denis_makogon | so, what do you think about KDF ? | 18:37 |
| hub_cap | but im not sure i see a need to do it locally | 18:37 |
| denis_makogon | i researched about that almost month | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: sure i mean thats good for encryption | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: KDF sounds good, what's the actual value you plan to use for derivation, though? | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | fwiw | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_derivation_function | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | but id rather u impl barbican first | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | i dont know if i want that encrytion _in_ our codebase | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | if we can use bbq | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | hub_cap: I definitely don't. I'd rather it be in barbican / oslo | 18:39 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, since all up for driver-driven stuff than we can do that in parallel | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | no | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | not if we never need it locally | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | we will remove the rsdns driver once we use designate here | 18:39 |
| denis_makogon | BBQ is only requested, RFC already released and implemented | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: we dont need that extra code here | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | if the ONLY reason is that its not incubated | 18:40 |
| denis_makogon | contrib | 18:40 |
| hub_cap | then thats not a good enough reason to write our own code | 18:40 |
| hub_cap | u can put it in another repo if u want but i dont see a need for it in trove if we have a whole key mgmt system being built | 18:40 |
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| hub_cap | anyone agree from core? | 18:40 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: vipul grapex ? | 18:40 |
| denis_makogon | OS cryptography implemented in oslo.crypt | 18:40 |
| hub_cap | if u want to push it there, feel free denis_makogon | 18:40 |
| denis_makogon | BBQ is far away from production ready PKI | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | +1 I'd rather not have to deal with a whole crypto codebase in trove. | 18:40 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I agree | 18:41 |
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| hub_cap | and the code we write will be production ready? | 18:41 |
| imsplitbit | +1 hub_cap | 18:41 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, oslo ? | 18:41 |
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| denis_makogon | what about pushing it in oslo ? | 18:41 |
| hub_cap | u can guarantee that the code u write will be better than a whole proejct devoted to pki encryption? | 18:41 |
| denis_makogon | and we can reuse it from there | 18:41 |
| juice | that sounds like a smart approach | 18:41 |
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| denis_makogon | PKI allows to do more than i proposed | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | but i'm guarantee that BBQ will give us what we really need | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | I can be convinced to use PKI from oslo if Barbican's not making much traction. | 18:42 |
| datsun180b | ^^ | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | lets start with oslo | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: feel free to write code in oslo | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | and make a barbican driver for us | 18:43 |
| denis_makogon | i'm sure what oslo-inc will release oslo.crypto | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | But frankly we should align with what OpenStack is doing with PKI as a whole. | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: ++ | 18:43 |
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| hub_cap | id much rather make it only bbq | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | rather than support a legacy thing for the next year or more | 18:43 |
| grapex | Or maybe BYOB | 18:43 |
| kevinconway | i want lunch suddenly | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | that _isint_ what the rest of openstack is now using | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: can u type and eat at the same time? | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | plugging system | 18:44 |
| jimbobhickville | don't you have 3 arms kevinconway? | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | we now have contrib dir | 18:44 |
| cp16net | i'd rather not clutter contrib | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: we can chat about it once u get your code into oslo | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | but it wont go into trove first | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | for now, if u want, u can integrate bbq into trove | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | and thats going to be in juno too | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | so its likely itll be incubated in juno too | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: not in contrib | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | in oslo | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | like u said | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | ok, i'll do that | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | but still i'm not the fun of half-integrated projects | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | that is the point of openstack | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | integration w/ other projects | 18:46 |
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| hub_cap | we are on the bleeding edge of these projects | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | and can help them | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | like other porjects helped us | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | its our responsibilty to do this | 18:46 |
| denis_makogon | if someone read BBQ's docs - it has lots of security issues in design | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | period | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | then make it better denis_makogon | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | dont rewrite it | 18:47 |
| hub_cap | in trove | 18:47 |
| hub_cap | period | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Then we should bring it up and help fix them. | 18:47 |
| hub_cap | this is the community of together not silos | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | #action implement KDF to oslo | 18:47 |
| hub_cap | lets move on | 18:47 |
| juice | good speech hub_cap | 18:47 |
| hub_cap | thx juice :) | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | what's next ? | 18:48 |
| hub_cap | #topic open discssion | 18:48 |
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| hub_cap | so lets realize we have stuff in i3 | 18:48 |
| datsun180b | you got to add a handle to #actions, ie #action barney steal fred's pebbles | 18:48 |
| hub_cap | and everything we hav ein i3 shoul be merged | 18:48 |
| hub_cap | lol datsun180b | 18:48 |
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| denis_makogon | guys patches about DB logs audit hanging almost 2 month without reviewers | 18:49 |
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| grapex | hub_cap is lagging | 18:50 |
| cp16net | hub_cap: is lagging | 18:50 |
| kevinconway | is hub_cap lagging? | 18:50 |
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| cp16net | la | 18:50 |
| juice | what's that one about denis_makogon? | 18:50 |
| cp16net | g | 18:50 |
| juice | briefly.. | 18:50 |
| denis_makogon | juice, pulling database logs | 18:50 |
| denis_makogon | from image | 18:50 |
| juice | from guest? | 18:50 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 18:50 |
| denis_makogon | for audit | 18:50 |
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| hub_cap | even if we havent looked at the review yet its low on the prio (or newer than the older ones) | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | so i apoligise for not seeing all reviews yet, as does the rest of core | 18:51 |
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| hub_cap | wow | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | i lagged out so bad | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | i've sent ML about that | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | wowow | 18:51 |
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| hub_cap | denis_makogon: we will look at your code | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | its in i3 | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | it will be merged in i3 | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | ok, thanks | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | everything in i3 will be merged before i3 | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | or backported into i3 | 18:51 |
| hub_cap | period | 18:51 |
| cp16net | hub_cap: you like period? | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | yup | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | today i do | 18:52 |
| demorris | so absolute | 18:52 |
| cp16net | bam | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | Also, it looks like it's been failing unit tests, which makes me de-prioritize it as still WIP. | 18:52 |
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| hub_cap | ++ SlickNik | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | but the problem is that sometimes we have dependent reviews | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | on projects | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | Yeah, we need to figure that one out. | 18:53 |
| cp16net | yeah maybe some og my magic i've worked on will help with that | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | yup i end up runing them manually | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | Maybe for now leave a note in the review saying that it is dependent on another review? | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | cp16net: huuuuuuh? | 18:54 |
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| hub_cap | yes everyone does that SlickNik | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | if its not in the review, then i assume it shoudl work | 18:54 |
| cp16net | hub_cap: i've made some tricks | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | but i do have to look at all the comments from the review-ee | 18:54 |
| cp16net | need to test it out some more | 18:54 |
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| hub_cap | so we have 5 min left | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: Let me know if you find some magic to deal with it. Let's try and automate it. | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | anything else to chat about? | 18:56 |
| denis_makogon | T-shirts topic ?)) | 18:56 |
| juice | strings of statuses was something mentioned yesterday | 18:56 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: yeah we can talk about it at the meetup more | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: amy mentioned it | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | already | 18:56 |
| denis_makogon | then nothing else | 18:56 |
| juice | pushing the status management into respective classes rather than strung throughout the code | 18:56 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: someone can say something still | 18:57 |
| hub_cap | open discussion doesnt need to be listed for someone to bring it up :) | 18:57 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 18:57 |
| hub_cap | but if no one else has anything | 18:57 |
| juice | I don't think there is much to say about it other than there are opportunities to make improvements there | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | I'm good. | 18:57 |
| juice | and we can do so incrementtally | 18:57 |
| juice | ok I am off to the rally | 18:58 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 18:58:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| juice | Go Hawks!!! And Peace to Ukraine | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-02-05-18.01.html | 18:58 |
| grapex | juice: Sounds good | 18:58 |
| hub_cap | thx all | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-02-05-18.01.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-02-05-18.01.log.html | 18:58 |
| cp16net | thx | 18:58 |
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| SlickNik | juice: something came up and I won't be able to make it.. :( | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | You guys have fun. | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | later all | 18:58 |
| grapex | See you | 18:58 |
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