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| SushilKM | can we proceed for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69383/ | 04:31 |
| SushilKM | u have -2d it for i3 | 04:31 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 13:02 |
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| irenab | rkukura: looked at your patch and posted few questions | 13:03 |
| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 11 13:03:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
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| irenab | Did you have a chance to look at vnic_type patch? | 13:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:03 |
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| baoli | Hi | 13:03 |
| irenab | I need to rework it a bit, but want to see if in general it what you have in mind | 13:03 |
| irenab | baoli: hi | 13:04 |
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| rkukura | irenab: I have not had a chance to review it closely yet, but will do that this morning. | 13:05 |
| irenab | rkukra: thanks, wating for your inputs before rework | 13:05 |
| sadasu | irenab: I am fine with whatever you have in your patch so far | 13:05 |
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| irenab | sadasu: thanks a lot for reviewing | 13:05 |
| heyongli | what can we do more for nova side blue print? | 13:05 |
| baoli | Irenab, I briefly looked at it, and it looks good. I will take a close look at it later. | 13:06 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks. | 13:06 |
| baoli | heyongli, welcome back | 13:06 |
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| irenab | somehow all 3rd party tests are broken, but I handle it once have rkukura comments | 13:07 |
| rkukura | irenab: That's my top priority this AM | 13:07 |
| heyongli | baoli, yeah, after one week | 13:07 |
| irenab | baoli: Can represent the nova side? | 13:07 |
| rkukura | irenab: I see your questions regarding the vif-details patch and can respond their and/or discuss here. | 13:07 |
| baoli | rkukura, I looked at your patch briefly. One question I had is how the MD add their field, say the profileid or vlan field | 13:08 |
| irenab | Let's do it shortly now? | 13:08 |
| rkukura | baoli: In general, MDs supply the binding:vif_detail value when they call PortContext.set_binding() from within MechanismDriver.bind_port() | 13:09 |
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| rkukura | So previously, for agent-based MDs using AgentMechanismDriverBase, the base class would alway make this call, passing binding:vif_type setup during __init__(). | 13:11 |
| rkukura | /alway/always/ | 13:11 |
| irenab | rkukura: why its done via _init__? | 13:11 |
| rkukura | Now, the driver can supply both binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details in the __init__() call, or pass None for these | 13:12 |
| rkukura | If they pass pass None for bindig:vif_type, then the base class no longer calls PortContext.set_binding() when the driver's bind_port() returns True. | 13:13 |
| irenab | why its based on vif_type and not vif_details being None? | 13:13 |
| rkukura | Instead, the driver itself needs to call set_binding() from within check_segment_for_agent() | 13:13 |
| rkukura | This approach makes it easy for drivers whose vif_type and vif_details will always be the same, but lets them set them dynamically if needed | 13:14 |
| sadasu | rkukura: this is for non-agent based MDs ? | 13:15 |
| irenab | I just think it should be possible to Agent based MDs to set VIF Details even when vif_type is always the same. vif_details may still be changed | 13:16 |
| rkukura | sadasu: All the way AgentMechanismDriverBase deals with getting vif_type and vif_details from the derived class only applies for agent-based MDs | 13:16 |
| sadasu | rkukura: ok | 13:17 |
| rkukura | irenab: The derived class can definitely use a static vif_type when it calls set_binding() | 13:17 |
| irenab | sadasu: I think you are first who adds MD that capable to bind port and does not have agent | 13:17 |
| sadasu | irenab: thats right! | 13:18 |
| rkukura | sadasu: All MDs that can bind ports need to call PortContext.set_binding() from within their bind_port() method. The agent base class just provides some structure for this. | 13:18 |
| rkukura | sadasu: I think the ODL MD that's in review also binds ports without an agent. | 13:19 |
| sadasu | rkukura: ok | 13:19 |
| irenab | rkukura: OK, so for Agent based MD that need to modify vif_details, it is required to override the base bind_port method? | 13:19 |
| sadasu | rkukura: will take a look at this MD...but I understand your explanation | 13:19 |
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| rkukura | irenab: They can ovveride bind_port(), but that kind of defeats the purpose of the base class. Instead, they can call PortContext.set_binding() themselves from within check_segment_for_agent(). | 13:20 |
| rkukura | I'll try to clarify things a bit in the review. I also need to do the DB migration so the tempest tests will run. | 13:21 |
| rkukura | Should have an updated patch later today, and maybe an initial patch for binding:profile. | 13:21 |
| irenab | rkukura: Ok, I think I got it. So PortContext.set_binding() will override the vif_details in __init__? | 13:21 |
| irenab | rkukura: great | 13:21 |
| rkukura | irenab: If vif_details are static (don't depend on anything else) then thats fine. | 13:22 |
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| irenab | they may depend on network details, like vlan id | 13:22 |
| rkukura | irenab: But if you need to put the VLAN tag in vif_details, you'll need to call PortContext.set_binding() from within check_segment_for_agent() instead. | 13:22 |
| irenab | rkukra: Is there any flow chart for the ML2 port-create? | 13:23 |
| irenab | if not, I'll definitely do one | 13:24 |
| rkukura | irenab: Not that I'm aware of. Note that the internal handling of this by the plugin will be changing significantly. See http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026344.html | 13:24 |
| irenab | rkukura: is this item already under development? | 13:25 |
| sadasu | irenab: my thoughts exactly about the flow chart! | 13:26 |
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| rkukura | Coding hasn't started yet. That's next after binding:profile. This is to address two bugs, not a new BP, so feature freeze doesn't apply. | 13:26 |
| irenab | rkukura: so it is also on your table? | 13:26 |
| rkukura | But since MDs are impacted, and feature freeze does apply to them, it needs to get done ASAP. | 13:26 |
| rkukura | It flowed off my plate onto my table;-) | 13:27 |
| irenab | rkukura: :-) | 13:28 |
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| irenab | to cover the nova part for vif_details changes | 13:28 |
| baoli | rkukura, I need more time to look at your patch. But another question, any time set_binding is called, the values will be overwritten (not updated), is that right? | 13:28 |
| rkukura | baoli: correct | 13:28 |
| baoli | rkukura, so each port is associated with a single MD, right? | 13:29 |
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| irenab | baoli: bound by one MD, I think is more correct to say | 13:29 |
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| baoli | Ok, so a port can only be bound to a single MD. | 13:30 |
| sadasu | rkukura: set_binding() is always invoked only by the MD or is there some ML2 internal logic that can trigger set_binding() at other times? | 13:30 |
| rkukura | baoli: Right now, a single MD is involved in the binding, but all MDs have their create/update/delete precommit and postcommit() calls made, so they can observe things | 13:30 |
| rkukura | long term, we may want to do some sort of composite bindings that involve MDs at the vswitch, ToR switch, core switch layers, or something | 13:31 |
| baoli | that sounds interesting. In that case, the overwritting behavior would be an issue? | 13:31 |
| rkukura | baoli: Maybe, but since vif_details is really specifically intended for the VIF driver, it probably only should come from the lowest level part of the composite binding | 13:32 |
| irenab | I suggest to solve the short term first ;-) Its already complicated enough | 13:32 |
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| rkukura | irenab: good point! | 13:33 |
| baoli | agreed | 13:33 |
| irenab | coming back to nova, I saw that baoli suggests to cover vif_details and profile as part of his changes | 13:34 |
| irenab | I think that vif_details are also required for port security | 13:34 |
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| rkukura | irenab: I was chatting with markmclain prior to the neutron team IRC meeting, and asked about the "blocked" status on your BP. I think this was due to it potentially needing the binding:profile BP implemented first. That's not the case, so I think it can be unblocked. | 13:34 |
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| baoli | I posted a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67500/ | 13:35 |
| irenab | rkukura: Now I see Mark already unblocked it | 13:35 |
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| baoli | Irenab, are you talking about adding vif_details and profile into the VIF object as a separate BP? | 13:36 |
| irenab | baoli: getting physicla_netowrk for netowrk is added as bug fix I raised yesteday, and we need it for current Mlnx support too, it will be pushed later today by Itzik | 13:37 |
| baoli | irenab, that's good, will take a look. But what's your concern with vif_details and profile on the nova side? | 13:37 |
| irenab | I think it will be small enough and easy for nova cores to review, so you can assume you will get the method to get provider_net info | 13:38 |
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| irenab | will send the link to review once pushed | 13:38 |
| rkukura | baoli: I'll review that today too. | 13:38 |
| baoli | rkukura, great | 13:39 |
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| irenab | baoli: I started to look, will poss comments later today | 13:39 |
| baoli | irenab, thanks. | 13:39 |
| irenab | ^post | 13:39 |
| irenab | heyongli: any updates on your patches? | 13:40 |
| heyongli | yunhong get some work done, i still work on that, will soon refresh it i think | 13:40 |
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| irenab | baoli: for vif_details, it changed the portbonding attribute, so I am ot sure if it breaks the nova code | 13:41 |
| baoli | heyongli, I posted some comments the other day on your patches. Please also take a look at my patch and look for the APIs that it calls into the generic PCI modules. | 13:42 |
| rkukura | irenab: Do you mean the old binding:capabilities attribute? | 13:42 |
| heyongli | baoli: sure | 13:42 |
| irenab | rkukura: yes | 13:42 |
| rkukura | irenab: It seems all reference to binding:capabilities had been removed from nova early in icehouse. | 13:43 |
| irenab | rkukura: Ok, so then it should not affect the current code | 13:43 |
| irenab | baoli: maybe yu just need to push support as small patches on same bp, to make nova cores comfortable with review | 13:44 |
| baoli | Irenab, if it becomes big, I would think about doing that. So far, it's not that bad | 13:45 |
| irenab | baoli: fair enough | 13:46 |
| rkukura | irenab, baoli: I was hoping to push a small nova patch that simply included the binding:vif_details dictionary in the VIF object. The idea was for this to be used for the SR-IOV and for the VIF security work. | 13:46 |
| irenab | so we need to decide on contnt/format for binding:profile and binding:vif_details for SRIOV ports | 13:47 |
| baoli | So regarding vif_details and profile, we'd create two fields in VIF object, something like VIF.vif_details, VIF.port_profile? | 13:47 |
| irenab | baoli: agree | 13:47 |
| rkukura | I'm not clear on why VIF.port_profile is needed. Will nova be setting this, looking at this, or both? | 13:48 |
| sadasu | rkukura: nova will look at this | 13:48 |
| baoli | rkukrua, information in VIF.port_profile will be needed by the vif driver | 13:48 |
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| irenab | rkukura: we need to propagate to neutron the SRIOV device details | 13:48 |
| rkukura | Sounds like it both sets and looks at it | 13:49 |
| sadasu | VIF.port_profile is purely from neutron to nova | 13:49 |
| rkukura | So are we saying that if it already exists, it will get stuffed into VIF.port_profile, then modified and updated on the port, then used by the VIF driver? | 13:50 |
| baoli | rkukura, VIF.port_profile will be set while creating/updating a port. Later the port will be queried and VIF created | 13:50 |
| irenab | and by L2 agent if exists | 13:50 |
| sadasu | my MD creates a port_profile, has to pass it to nova via VIF.port_profile and will be used by the genericVifDriver | 13:50 |
| baoli | I should have said, port.binding.profile will be set while creating/updateing a port | 13:50 |
| rkukura | sadasu: I think you need to use binding:vif_details to pass data from neutron to nova. | 13:51 |
| baoli | rkukura, with port query from nova, port.binding.profile will be returned to nova | 13:51 |
| rkukura | baoli: I'm fine with storing binding:profile in the VIF object if that's needed | 13:52 |
| sadasu | rkukura: yes....its the vif_details....port_profile is in the nova->neutron direction correct? | 13:52 |
| baoli | rkukrua, ok | 13:52 |
| rkukura | sadasu: right | 13:52 |
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| rkukura | but of course nova or any client can read the binding:profile value too | 13:52 |
| irenab | so if binding:profile exists it vill be set in binding:vif_details.profile ? | 13:52 |
| baoli | rkukura, from neutron side, you can enforce that rule. But from nova side, both are available from the port object | 13:53 |
| baoli | irenab, not really | 13:53 |
| rkukura | baoli: Correct, but any attempt to modify binding:vif_type or binding:vif_details via the API will fail | 13:53 |
| baoli | rkukura, that's right. But nova wouldn't try to do that | 13:54 |
| irenab | I am trying to undestand rkukura suggestion for neutron->nova flow | 13:54 |
| sadasu | rkukura: nova doesn't have to modify those fields | 13:54 |
| irenab | with regards to binding:profile content that need to be passed to VIFDriver | 13:54 |
| rkukura | I think we all are clear on the directions of flow at this point! | 13:55 |
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| rkukura | I've got another meeting in 5 minutes | 13:55 |
| sadasu | yes...just the same names are re(used) in a diff context | 13:55 |
| irenab | rkukura: so you are ok with baoli suggestion ? | 13:56 |
| rkukura | The suggestion to store binding:vif_details and binding:profile dicts in VIF object? | 13:56 |
| sadasu | actually I am ok with vif_details...can we talk about VIF.port_profile? | 13:56 |
| rkukura | I'm fine with that | 13:56 |
| sadasu | rather binding:profile... | 13:57 |
| sadasu | what would be the contents? | 13:57 |
| baoli | We need to decide the fields in binding:profile | 13:57 |
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| irenab | baoli: agree | 13:57 |
| baoli | But let's wrap it up today. Let's do that first thing tomorrow morning | 13:57 |
| rkukura | One field in binding:profile we've discussed is the chosen physical_network to which the SR-IOV device is attached, right? | 13:58 |
| irenab | according to the google doc, we have vendor_id, product_id and slot addres | 13:58 |
| sadasu | rkukura: correct | 13:58 |
| sadasu | irenab: your MD needs it? | 13:58 |
| irenab | rkukura: not sure why its on profile and not vif_details | 13:58 |
| sadasu | vif_details is neutron->nova | 13:59 |
| irenab | sadasu: the device ID, yes | 13:59 |
| baoli | I need to attend to another meeting too. So can we resume tomorrow morning? | 13:59 |
| baoli | We can also exchange emails. | 13:59 |
| rkukura | I would think any SR-IOV MD would use this in bind_port() to pick the right network segment when binding | 13:59 |
| irenab | baoli: sure, let's try via email too | 13:59 |
| rkukura | OK, email, IRC, ... | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| rkukura | and gerrit | 14:00 |
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| alcabrera | o/ | 15:00 |
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| malini | o/ | 15:00 |
| flwang | \o/ | 15:00 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | so so so | 15:00 |
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| flaper87 | Kurt doesn't seem to be around | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | kg | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | ops | 15:00 |
| alcabrera | yup | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Marconi | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 11 15:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: do you have the agenda? | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | yes I do. :) | 15:01 |
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| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | very packed - we'll have much discussion today | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #info flaper87 could get fuel out of his coffee... It's soooo deeply dark | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | that will be the highlight of today's meeting | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | lets get started | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic summit | 15:02 |
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| malini | yayyy ATL | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | so, let's submit a talk(s) | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | so, the idea would be to do a joint talk for the summit as we did last year | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-icehouse-talk | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | we've this week to submit the proposal | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | the idea would be not to do an introductory talk because we expect folks to be already familiar with Marconi | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | (at least those attending to the summit) | 15:03 |
| flwang | flaper87: +1 | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | what we would like to do is present Marconi for realz | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | Real examples, deployments and code. That is. | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | We've got great titles so far | 15:03 |
| flwang | how about the best practice in Rackspace ? | 15:03 |
| malini | what abt a demo which wud replace some other queue used in OS with Marconi? | 15:03 |
| malini | Without raising controversioes of course | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | malini: good idea but I'd avoid that :( | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | I think there's no way to do it without having people saying "YOU'RE REPLACING MY DEAR RABBIT" | 15:04 |
| malini | yeah..will create too much heated discussions | 15:04 |
| alcabrera | flwang: I heard that oz_akan from Rackspace might be presenting on deploying Marconi (best practices, too) | 15:04 |
| * flaper87 would happily eat that rabbit at lunch | 15:04 | |
| flwang | alcabrera: cool, I will join | 15:05 |
| * flaper87 hopefully didn't offend any vegan nor vegetarian in this channel | 15:05 | |
| flaper87 | so, there's an ehterpad that alcabrera already linked | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | battle of the queues might be an event held elsewhere. :) | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | lets all contribute there | 15:05 |
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| flaper87 | We should agree on something by EOD | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | and submit the proposal today / tomorrow | 15:05 |
| flwang | may I get another Marconi T-shirt this time :)? | 15:06 |
| malini | where's the etherpad? sorry I am so out of touch with tempest going on | 15:06 |
| amitgandhi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-icehouse-talk | 15:06 |
| flwang | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-icehouse-talk | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | flwang: just if you put yourself in the queue | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-icehouse-talk | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | malini: ^ | 15:06 |
| flwang | flaper87: coool, pls put me in the queue, amen | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | +1 about submitting by tomorrow EOD | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | queue.post(flwang) | 15:07 |
| malini | thanks you for the link! | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | who wants to write the proposal for the joint talk? | 15:07 |
| * flaper87 is burried in stuff | 15:07 | |
| alcabrera | I'm happy to volunteer. | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: it's yours | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | action-ize me flaper87 | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | #action alcabrera to write the talk proposal | 15:07 |
| balajiiyer | +1 on contributing for the talk | 15:07 |
| balajiiyer | alcabrera: I will chip in | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | any other comment? | 15:07 |
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| alcabrera | alright, and there's | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | err, one more | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | I'll see if oz_akan wants to submit an ops-marconi proposal | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | action-ize me on that, too. | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: that would be awesome | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | #action alcabrera to force oz_akan to submit an ops-marconi talk proposal. Use brute force if necessary | 15:08 |
| balajiiyer | thinking out loud - can oz 's talk be a workshop? | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | #info contribute towards a great marconi proposal https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-icehouse-talk | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | lol flaper87 | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | hmm | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: it could, not sure how much he hast to say about it | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | I wonder... | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | workshops are normally >1h | 15:09 |
| malini | we shud let oz decide how he wants to do it (A) | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | +1 malini | 15:09 |
| balajiiyer | we will ask him to do it real sloooooow | 15:10 |
| balajiiyer | ;) | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | alright :D | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | t h i s i s m a r c o n i | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | I'd say we're ready to move on | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | like that? | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic sqlalchemy | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | sqlalchemy -> | 15:10 |
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| alcabrera | w00t | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: SO haskelized | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: floor is yours | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | map (review) patches | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | anyway | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | :D | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | we've got some lovely patches sitting in the review queue for sqlalchemy | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70202/ | 15:11 |
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| flaper87 | alcabrera: +1 | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | thanks for the effort there | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70946/ | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71335/ | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | and... | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70947/ | 15:12 |
| malini | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/marconi+branch:master+topic:bp/sql-storage-driver,n,z | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | malini: even better! | 15:12 |
| malini | hope tht has all of it | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72677/ | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | so, I went ahead and worked on the message controller | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | that's all 5 of them | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | it should be complete now but it depends on the queue controller and the claim one (which we don't have yet) | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | sweet | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | so, that review is likely to fail but we could start putting some eyes there | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | thanks, flaper87! | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | on the other hand we should all work on reviewing alcabrera patches | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | #info flaper87 made great progress on message controller | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | those are independent and ready to be merged | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | well,ready to be reviewed | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | we'll see alcabrera, we'll see | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | #info shard driver ready for review | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | so, schedule-wise... | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | also, alcabrera patches have some things I'd love to base mine (and the queue's controller) on | 15:14 |
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| flaper87 | so, lets focus on those reviews and start testing the driver | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | we're doing alright | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | I'll finish the catalogue driver by tomorrow EOD | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: agreed, we'll make it | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | and then we're all caught up | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | +1 flaper87 | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | #info sqlalchemy on schedule | 15:15 |
| alcabrera | malini: any thoughts on testing? | 15:15 |
| malini | I will start working on adding the gating jobs today | 15:15 |
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| flaper87 | malini: AWESOME! | 15:15 |
| alcabrera | thanks! That'd be awesome. :) | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | cpallares: welcome :) | 15:15 |
| malini | first one will be for mongo - since we already have everything in place for tht | 15:15 |
| cpallares | o/ | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | malini: sounds good | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | is there anything blocking you? | 15:16 |
| malini | no..just me :) | 15:16 |
| malini | tht can be easily unblocked | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | #action malini to unblock herself | 15:16 |
| malini | I have been focussing on getting the tempest stuff merged | 15:16 |
| malini | So havent been able to spend time on the gating jobs yet | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | malini: once we complete the work on sqlalchemy, we could help you out if there are still pending things | 15:17 |
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| malini | cool :) | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | sweet | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | any other comment? | 15:18 |
| alcabrera | I'm good. | 15:18 |
| alcabrera | Next up is another hot topic | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | #topic API v1.1 | 15:18 |
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| alcabrera | kgriffs is missing out. :( | 15:18 |
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| malini | just a quick tempest update before tht? | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | #action to beat kgriffs for not being around | 15:18 |
| alcabrera | sure thing, malini | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | #topic tempest update | 15:18 |
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| malini | I think I am really close - but keeps moving an inch away each time | 15:19 |
| malini | :| | 15:19 |
| malini | I submitted another patch y'day for devstack https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72412/ | 15:19 |
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| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63449/ | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72412/ | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | getting close | 15:19 |
| malini | Have two +2s , so might get merged soon - but it needs another patch to be merged before 72412 can be merged | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | not sure why there are to +2s and no approve | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | #info malini making good progress on marconi/temptest integration | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | malini: feel free to ping them on irc | 15:20 |
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| malini | flaper87: I already am | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | malini: awesome | 15:20 |
| malini | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69497/ might end up as a blocker for us | 15:20 |
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| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | refactoring patch! | 15:21 |
| malini | yeah.. | 15:21 |
| malini | But I'll keep pinging folks so we can get tempest merged | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | well, hopefully that comes along quickly | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | we'll see | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | malini: +1 | 15:21 |
| malini | tht's it for tempest update | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | malini: thanks a lot for the update and the hard work there | 15:22 |
| malini | as far as grad req go | 15:22 |
| malini | we need to have a 'basic devstack gate job in place' | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:22 |
| malini | So hopefully we'll be covered with the basic tempest patch merged | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | malini: awesome! That would cover API v1 | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | right? | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | Do you think moving to API v1.1 will be hard ? | 15:23 |
| malini | right now all we have is a basic create queue | 15:23 |
| malini | flaper87: moving to 1.1 wont be hard | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | cool | 15:23 |
| malini | is 1.1 needed to graduate? | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | that makes me happy | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | malini: no | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | no but it is for icehouse | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | I mean, it would be nice to release 1.1 as part of icehouse | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | hence, we need to test it | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | #info extending tempest test suite to include v1.1 not expected to be difficult | 15:24 |
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| malini | tht shud be do-able | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | cool beans | 15:24 |
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| * flaper87 doesn't know where "cool beans" comes from but he learned that from kgriffs | 15:24 | |
| malini | :D | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | anyway, moving on | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | yup | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | #topic API v1.1 | 15:25 |
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| alcabrera | back to api v1.1 | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1.1 | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | that's the spec | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | I imagine you know it all | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | hahaha | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | on good days, yes | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | I added sharding to that document last week | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | so, I took a quick look and it seems to be in good shape | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | so we're offering quite a jump in power | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | going from 1.0 -> 1.1 | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | I agree that it looks good | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | Something that makes me happy is that we're not doing any change to the schema in the database | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | that's often a good sign - we have a good foundation | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | for the record, we're going to basically copy v1 into v1.1 and change it | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | that's not what we want to do in the long run but it's the best we can do now | 15:27 |
| * alcabrera forsees much refactoring | 15:27 | |
| flaper87 | during June, I'd like us to dedicate some time figuring out a better way to do that | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | hopefully the experiment cpallares is working on will be of great help there | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | oh yes | 15:28 |
| cpallares | \o/ | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | AFAIK, cpallares said it's all done and she's been using it for a couple of weeks already | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | OOOOOOOOPSSSSSSSSSSS | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | she's here | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:28 |
| cpallares | lol | 15:29 |
| cpallares | it needs tweaking | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | so, does anyone have comments w.r.t the API spec ? | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | not I | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | Lets make sure we make those comments NOW | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | oh | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | one thing | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | and by now I mean before implementing it | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: gp | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | go | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | returning an empty default body things like GET messages is great | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | instead of 204 | 15:30 |
| malini | ha sit already been emailed out to openstack-dev ML ? | 15:30 |
| malini | has it * | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | it simplifies the handling a bit | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | default reprs are a nifty idea we should do more of in the future | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | that's it | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | malini: I'm not sure... flaper87? | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | it hasn't been sent to the m-l yet | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | we should action-ize that - who wants to write email? :D | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: +1 for empty default bodies | 15:31 |
| * alcabrera looks at ghostly kgriffs | 15:31 | |
| flaper87 | #action send the v1.1 spec to the mailing list | 15:31 |
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| alcabrera | hehe | 15:31 |
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| alcabrera | alright, so let's move on to specific v1.1 items | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | comments? | 15:32 |
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| flaper87 | #topic health endpoint | 15:32 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: alcabrera floor is yours | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | flwang: regarding v1.1 /health, it seems like the way to go is to start a v1_1 directory and implement it there | 15:32 |
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| flwang | alcabrera: ok | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | so what we have now is marconi.queues.transport.wsgi. We need is marconi.queues.transport.wsgi.v1 and marconi.queues.transport.wsgi.v1_1 | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | thoughts? | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | does this align with our v1.1 strategy alright? | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: that sounds like a plan | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | so that | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | 's two steps | 15:33 |
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| flaper87 | I can do pacakage moving thing if you guys want | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | 1. separate our current API into v1 | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | 2. implement health in v1_1 | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: that'd be awesome! | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | yes, please | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | :D | 15:34 |
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| flwang | alcabrera: agree and we may need to implement the /ping first | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 to put the wsgi transport under the v1 version and clone it to v1_1 | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | #action flwang to continue work on /health and /ping for v1.1 | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | any other thoughts? | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | not from me | 15:35 |
| flwang | alcabrera: cool | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | sweet | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: grace not required - the floor is yours | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | :D | 15:35 |
| flwang | I will implement the /ping endpoint first | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | #topic Grace not required | 15:35 |
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| flaper87 | SOOOOO | 15:36 |
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| malini | tht is disgraceful | 15:36 |
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| flaper87 | I found out today (and don't laugh at me) that we require grace | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | it gets me every time, hehe | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | I don't think that makes much sense TBH | 15:36 |
| malini | :D | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | agreed | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | first impression from a user stand point is: WTF? | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | the second is: What should I use? | 15:36 |
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| alcabrera | and all under the covers | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | the third is: I'll put whatever comes to my mind in 3 2 1 ... | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | ttl = ttl + grace | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | the magic secret | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | which is confusing | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | exactly | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | so, we should accept it but not require it | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | I'd even go so far as suggesting we remove it from the public API for v1.1 or v2.0 | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | it's an implementation detail | 15:37 |
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| alcabrera | we can offer wiggle room internally | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | configurable and all | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | mmh | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | but users should only need to care about TTL | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | so, the change I was proposing was for v1.1 | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | but if we think removing it makes more sense then fine | 15:38 |
| malini | so have a default grace value, but use config value if provided? | 15:38 |
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| flaper87 | although, removing it requires a major release | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | maybe | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | I'm advocating: mark as deprecated in public API v1.1, remove in v2.0 | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: +1 | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | sounds like a plan | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | lets see what kgriffs thinks | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | yup | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | to address malini | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | 's question | 15:39 |
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| alcabrera | For now, users have to provide it. The plan is to make it optional, and use a deployment-time/config option to replace it. The operator decides the wiigle grace. | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | *wiggle | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | I don't quite remember why we thought that requiring it makes sense | 15:40 |
| malini | alcabrera: thanks!! that makes sense | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | I'm pretty sure there's a reason | 15:40 |
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| alcabrera | we'll find out from kgriffs later. ;) | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | but it doesn't make sense to me now | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: yeha | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | so let me info this and let's move on. :D | 15:41 |
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| alcabrera | #info /claims grace to be deprecated in v1.1 and removed in v2.0 | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | awesome, thanks | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | moving on | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | let's talk about gacks and pops, flaper87 | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | #topic Add gack and/or pop | 15:41 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Add gack and/or pop to API v1.1 | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add gack and/or pop to API v1.1 (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:42 | |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:42 |
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| alcabrera | could you elaborate on these two ideas, flaper87? | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | First, let me explain what gack and pop are | 15:42 |
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| flaper87 | Gack (not exacly the best name) is basically get and ack | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | the idea behind it is to be able to get a message and make sure *no one else will* | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | when getting a message and then claiming it it is possible that some other client would try to do the same | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | this means that a message could be delivered more than once | 15:43 |
| alcabrera | doesn't /claim already fetch the message(s) for you? | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | and the jobs executed twice | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | mmh, does it ? | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:43 |
| alcabrera | I thought so. :P | 15:43 |
| * alcabrera checksa | 15:43 | |
| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1.1#Claim_Messages | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | If it does then that covers gack which is awesome | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | yes, it does | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | I bet it is a mix of claim + limit | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | ah ok, v1.1 | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | ok ok | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | so gack == claim?limit=1 | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | I'd say we don't need it then. | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | #info gack is already provided as /claim?limit=1 | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | folks can claim 1 message | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | next one, and alcabrera I'm sure as hell we don't have it, is pop | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | this is basically get-and-delete | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | heh | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | so atomic get-and-delete | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | this is pretty useful for things like kombu | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | where you want to get a message out of the queue and you don't want to make another call to delete it | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:46 |
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| flaper87 | Avoiding those 2 calls we would make the client life easier and Marconi's server load lower | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | there's a tricky point there I worry about, having used marconi extensively recently | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | shoot | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | So, a worker claims a message | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | that worker maybe does somethings | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | then crashes before deleting the message after doing those things | 15:47 |
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| * alcabrera tries to think this through more clearly | 15:47 | |
| alcabrera | The gist of it: I'm worried that - | 15:47 |
| malini | alcabrera: tht is exactly what I am thinking too | 15:48 |
| malini | I cannot think of an use case | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | so, if the worker uses pop, it doesn't have to delete the message from the queue. The message will be deleted when it gets the message | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | if claim-and-delete is used, the task might never really get processed if a worker crashes | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | *get-and-delete | 15:48 |
| malini | it sounds like a claim with delete built in | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: ah yeah but that's up to the implementation | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | I mean, we can't protect the client from that | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | that's up to the client | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | true | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | so | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | given that | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | I'm in favor of this pop behavior | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | what we can is give it an easier way to do claim->delete | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | given that clients can still manually do things if they want to separate the claim from the delete | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | indeed | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | what do you think, malini? | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | I mean, a client could also do: claim->delete and then crash | 15:49 |
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| flaper87 | so, we won't ever be able to protect them from that | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | we can make it easier for them to shoot their own feet though | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | heh | 15:50 |
| malini | if it crashes after processing, we are ok | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | kk | 15:50 |
| malini | the message is not lost in tht case | 15:50 |
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| flaper87 | Thing is that get-and-delete is a common pattern and doing claim->delete will be expensive for both the client and marconi | 15:51 |
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| flaper87 | #info pop seems to be a good idea. It needs further discussion and it may make sense to have it for v1.1 | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | I'm in favor of pop as an optimization, since alternate operations are still available | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | that's the info I would've given. :D | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | any other comment? | 15:52 |
| malini | flaper87: agreed abt more ops being expensive..will do some homework on kombu to understand an use case | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | none form me | 15:52 |
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| alcabrera | *form | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | ... | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | *from | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | next | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:52 |
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| alcabrera | yup - +1 for open discussion | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | we don't have much time left to review BPs/bugs | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | So, at the next summit, kgriffs said he wants to offer beers, food and whatever we want | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | he told me to share this with y'all | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:53 |
| malini | :D | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | this kgriffs fellow is very generous | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | <3 | 15:53 |
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| flaper87 | #action Everyone to thank kgriffs for being so nice and paying for whatever we need at the next summit | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | yaaay | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | #info this kgriffs fellow is very generous | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | better | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | so, I've been burried in stuff lately | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | ah | 15:53 |
| malini | we are getting buried in snow ;) | 15:54 |
| cpallares | lol | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | but I'd ask everyone to do an extra efford and review the sqlalchemy patches | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | give them some priorities over other things | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | not sure why I said "some priorities" but anyway, you got my point | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | malini: it hasn't snowed much here this winter :( | 15:55 |
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| alcabrera | two non-sqlalchemy patches want review love, too | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68267/ | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | ^^ guard against bad URI in shard registration | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | and... | 15:55 |
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| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70463/ | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | cleanup limit configs - great refactoring | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: dude, stop coding, you're burrying us all with reviews | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | ;D | 15:55 |
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| flaper87 | so, any other comment ? | 15:56 |
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| flaper87 | any cat that needs to be rescued ? | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | yaks need shaving? | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | *needing | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | ok, that's all folks! | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | I think we're good. | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | thanks for joining! | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | thanks everyone and see you in #openstack-marconi | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 11 15:57:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-11-15.01.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-11-15.01.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-11-15.01.log.html | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | I | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | 'll grab those minutes. :) | 15:57 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 11 16:00:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-02-11_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:02 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:02 |
| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:02 |
| paulczar | Paul Czarkowski | 16:02 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:02 |
| nmarchenko | Nikita Marchenko, Mirantis | 16:02 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta | 16:02 |
| rajdeep | Rajdeep Dua | 16:02 |
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| noorul | Noorul Islam | 16:02 |
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| coolsvap | Swapnil | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello everyone | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | feel free to chime in at any time to record your attendance if you have not already | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | we have selected a date for our upcoming for Solum Summit | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | two dates, actually | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | Tuesday, March 25, 2014 | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | Wednesday, March 26, 2014 | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | Red Hat has offered to host us in North Carolina | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | we will get you additional details on the specifics soon | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | so that you can plan your travel arrangements. | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | for those of you planning to attend remotely, please earmark your time on these dates to ensure your availability | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | next up, I created a bunch of new blueprints for the various API resources | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | they don't have details in them. If you are interested, links to them are in the agenda | 16:06 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: thanks for creating these!! | 16:07 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: Good :) | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | You can thank me once I've put the grinding hours into fleshing each one out ;-) | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | the good news is that we actually have code for all of these already | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | so this is not a lift from zero. | 16:07 |
| devkulkarni | true. | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | but this gives us a place to focus design work in a place with more narrow scope | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next topic | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | ACTION adrian_otto to hold a vote for next F2F location | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Status: Completed | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ACTION adrian_otto remove https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-zuul-integration Solum integration with Zuul (devdatta-kulkarni) from recurring agenda, to be combined with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | Status: Completed | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | although I have a question about this | 16:09 |
| devkulkarni | yes.. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | kraman owned the second | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | and devkulkarni owned the first | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | who should I ask for the updates for the combination of the two? | 16:09 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: I think anyone of us can give updates. we are working together on this. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | and our last action item | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ACTION kraman to submit zuul work into Gerrit as WIP for review. Tests to be added as they are created. | 16:10 |
| devkulkarni | I think kraman is out today. I can give an update on this. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni | I am going to work with kraman today/tomorrow to start submitting WIPs for review. I have more updates which I can give now or when we go to BP status discussion. | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so I should resubmit this as an open action for this week, correct? | 16:12 |
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| devkulkarni | yes, that makes sense | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | should I keep it assigned to kraman, or assign it to devkulkarni? | 16:12 |
| devkulkarni | for now I would say lets keep it assigned to kraman.. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #action kraman to submit zuul work into Gerrit as WIP for review. Tests to be added as they are created. | 16:12 |
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| devkulkarni | I will check with him if we want to reassign it | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I will revisit that next week for status. | 16:12 |
| devkulkarni | sounds good. | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | ready to begin Blueprint updates? | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints: https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/api Solum API (aotto) | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | there has been a lot of progress on this. Many reviews were posted over the past two weeks to add methods to the api, and wire them to the db layer | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I also created 7 new blueprints for the API | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | which I will report status on at this position in the agenda. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | feel free to claim those blueprints if you have open reviews against them | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | also, please resubmit your commit messages to reference these blueprints | 16:14 |
| devkulkarni | about that.. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | devananda: yes? | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes? | 16:15 |
| devkulkarni | has anyone figured out why blueprint links in the commit message do not go to solum project? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | sorry devananda | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | Yes! | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | that happens because the blueprint slug does not start with the word solum | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | so they are not necessarily unique | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | all of the ones I create are properly named, so that should work properly for you | 16:16 |
| noorul | I thought it is because solum is not yet part of openstack | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | also, I have been renaming them as I approve them to prevent this from continuing with new ones | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | no, it's a quirk about the way that Gerrit links to Launchpad | 16:16 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: That seems to be incorrect, See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71923/ | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: oh, I see. | 16:17 |
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| noorul | I remember asking this question initially to infra and they said it is because we are not part of openstack yet | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so that should work at such time that this project enters an incubation phase | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, sorry for the misinformation before | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | so I still want to have the references in the commit messages | 16:19 |
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| devkulkarni | so in the interim, do we put direct links in the commit message? I think gokrokve_ did that for some of his patches | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | even if the links do what they do now | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | we can put both in | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | another option is to put a comment in as you submit the patch that has the full link | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | that way you won't run into the caracter maximum for a line in the commit message | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | s/caracter/character/ | 16:20 |
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| devkulkarni | okay. that would work. | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | more thoughts on the API work? | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | I will mention... | 16:20 |
| noorul | Are all these APIs required for M1? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | muralia has stepped up to help with fleshing out the API for the enablement of the CLI tool | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | not all capabilities of all resources are required for M1 | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | I will make it clear in the blueprint descriptions wich parts are essential | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | we need to be able to create/modify/delete plans and assemblies | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | and list assemblies | 16:22 |
| noorul | I think it is right time we come up with the list of items we should concentrate for M1 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | that should be enough to start | 16:22 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: noorul has shown the way of how to do this, muralia is taking it from there. (btw, that is the update for the next bp) | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: I agree completely. We ahve an agenda item for that | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | for today | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | nice segway devkulkarni | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-minimal-cli Command Line Interface for Solum (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:22 |
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| noorul | submitted around 6 patches last week | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni | :) thanks noorul. thanks muralia | 16:23 |
| muralia | sure | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: awesome stuff!! | 16:23 |
| noorul | Thanks | 16:23 |
| noorul | I was thinking whether we should add functional tests | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: +1 Thanks! | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | on the subject of the functional tests... | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: what do other projects do? | 16:24 |
| noorul | They have it in tempest, but some read only operations alone | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | other projects really don't test much, as the tests for the CLI are relatively low value | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | Trove for example just runs the cli script to cause it to emit the API version | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | and does a string check against that to be sure it's the expected string value | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | what do recent projects like Heat do? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | and that's the extent of the test | 16:25 |
| noorul | let us not add it now | 16:26 |
| noorul | I have another question | 16:26 |
| noorul | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MinimalCLI | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's a pretty low value test, so we should focus on features | 16:26 |
| noorul | It just talks about assembly and app | 16:26 |
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| noorul | What about other resources? | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | those are the two essential to basic operation | 16:27 |
| noorul | Am I missing something? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | app = plan | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | so if we have plans and assemblies working, we can demonstrate simple end-to-end functionality | 16:27 |
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| noorul | How can I define component, lang pack ,etc? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | good question... | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | components get defined by Solum when interpreting the plan | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | and the first language pack can be pre-loaded in the base distribution | 16:28 |
| muralia | We should take a second look and see if this etherpad has everything required for M1. I can do that and update it in the next few days as I start work on the CLI | 16:28 |
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| noorul | I see | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | muralia: are you willing to take that as an action item? | 16:29 |
| muralia | yes | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | I would love your help with that | 16:29 |
| muralia | sure. I'll do that | 16:29 |
| noorul | It will be great if you can provide an example | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | #action muralia to review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MinimalCLI to verify that everything for M1 is tracked, and placed into the appropriate blueprints. | 16:30 |
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| noorul | How user will invoke assembly create with all those data? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to support muralia for review of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MinimalCLIÂ | 16:30 |
| muralia | noorul: sure. i'll provide examples | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: what data are you concerned about? | 16:31 |
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| noorul | muralia: ok thanks | 16:31 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: How do we pass all these info in command line | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | the info placed into the plan file is what we use as input | 16:31 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: Oh I se | 16:32 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: got it | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | that goes into the plan, and is subsequently given to the assembly | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | ok, good | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | any mote on this topic? | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | more | 16:32 |
| noorul | I am good | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | Next is two blueprints combined as a single update subject | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman) | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-zuul-integration Solum integration with Zuul (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | I have following updates: | 16:33 |
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| devkulkarni | 1) For Solum specific changes we had to modify Zuul's scheduler. I have added tests to those. | 16:34 |
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| devkulkarni | 2) I am working with kraman to split the code and tests into patches to be submitted to Zuul repo | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | claytonc: wlecome. devkulkarni is giving us the update on Git pull and Zuul | 16:34 |
| claytonc | sorry about the delay | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | 3) We still need tests to be added for the changes to the layout in Zuul. Will be working with coolsvap to get those in | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | 4) We discussed about an 'interim service'. | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | There is not a concrete plan yet about how to build it, but.. | 16:35 |
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| claytonc | devkulkarni: correct me if i'm wrong but we hypothesized not needing an interim service because we could fill that role via the hooks | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | yesterday asalkeld seemed to be thinking along those lines as well and he said he will create a wiki page with his thoughts/ideas etc. I am planning to get this to tomorrow's git-integration meeting | 16:36 |
| claytonc | will take that to the meeting tomorrow though | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | claytonc: cool. we can discuss more then. | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: that is all. | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's get that wiki linked as the design to the "https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull/+edit" of the blueprint | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | sure. | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok, also, I'd like to have you add the link to the breakout meetings into our agenda here | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | I think that will help us follow along | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | okay. can do that from next time | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | so as soon as you generate the chat log.minutes, please add them to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | that way I can link to them in the subsequent team meeting so they become more visible to the wider audience | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | sounds good. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | I think we are already recording those on the breakout meeting wiki page, right? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | if not, we should get back into that habbit | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | I will have to double check.. | 16:39 |
| claytonc | i'm pretty sure they are | 16:39 |
| claytonc | but we missed one meeting and rescheduled another | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | not critically important, but it would be nice for the full history to be linked there | 16:39 |
| claytonc | will follow up | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | #action claytonc t make sure that https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/BreakoutMeetings links to all logs and minutes from breakout meetings we have held | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | thanks claytonc | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | 16:40 | |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/specify-lang-pack Specify the language pack to be used for app deploy (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:41 |
| devkulkarni | Here are the updates on this: | 16:41 |
| devkulkarni | aratim has been making great progress on the data model definition, which was the remaining part of this work. | 16:41 |
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| devkulkarni | btw, thanks claytonc for discussions the other day about the data model | 16:42 |
| devkulkarni | another thing is.. we need to start including the plan work either in this bp or discuss it as part of some other bp. | 16:42 |
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| claytonc | devkulkarni: agreed | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | which plan work do you mean, devkulkarni? | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni | the title of the bp is 'specify-lang-pack'. what aratim is part of the story — 'get the list of available lang-packs'. | 16:43 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: the work that asalkeld has done on the plan API. | 16:43 |
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| devkulkarni | *aratim's work is part of the story of this bp | 16:44 |
| aratim | I am currently working on connecting the lang pack API to the DB | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | we could rename this bp to something like 'get-lang-pack' and then it should be fine | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni | since there is already a bp for plans | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: perhaps we could land that on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-api-plan | 16:45 |
| aratim | +1 devkulkarni | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | wait | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | let's not rename a bp that we have linked to in prior meeting minutes | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni | oh right!! | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | if we need another BP, we can make a new one | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni | I can create a new bp and link it to the specify-lang-pack bp. | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | sounds like it would be one that depends on the current blueprint | 16:47 |
| claytonc | scope of this BP - defining how plans change as language packs generate DU's, and how plans are used to create templates? | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | #action devkulkarni to make a new blueprint for language pack selection that would have a dependency link relation with specify-lang-pack | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | claytonc: actually, no. I was referring to a BP that will capture the work that aratim is doing. | 16:48 |
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| claytonc | ah | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, ready to advance to the next item in the agenda? | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: that is all | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging Logging Architecture (paulmo) | 16:49 |
| paulmo | After much discussion and design, I created a new pull request for logging/trace:Â https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71970/ | 16:49 |
| paulmo | If folks like Angus, kgriffs, gokrokve and anyone else interested could take a look at it and give feedback, I would appreciate it. | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for putting that together, paulmo! | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | questions on that item? | 16:50 |
| paulmo | trace_test.py can be run to see an example with lots of comments inline. | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | thanks paulmo. | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | #topic M1 Completion | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | Do we have all gaps addressed? | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: Deployment workflow bp is missing in the list of BP updates. | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | Roshan is working on a new wiki page that further describes the ideal end-to-end user experience | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, let's get that in there now | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | actually, running low on time | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | I will take an action | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni | I can give brief update on it. asalkeld is progressing on it.. | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to add Deployment workflow bp to our subsequent agenda for review updates | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, please | 16:52 |
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| devkulkarni | ^^ | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so back to M1 completion | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | any other gaps that need our focus? | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | are we good on devstack setup? | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | how would someone try out solum end-to-end? | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | top priorities are getting minimal implementaitons of the CLI and Git integration working with a simple plan and have Solum create an Assembly | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | paulczar: what do you think on the devstack question? | 16:54 |
| noorul | whom are we targetting M1 with? | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: M1 should be suitable for a public demo | 16:55 |
| paulczar | there are scripts in contrib for the hookup to devstack | 16:55 |
| noorul | M1 requires to run keystone and glance | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | to illustrate the concept of Solum | 16:55 |
| paulczar | as long as we keep those up to date as we build on solum we should be okay with devstack integration | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | we might also have a dependency on swift | 16:56 |
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| noorul | I think it is always easy to use devstack if we have multiple services to run | 16:56 |
| paulczar | the vagrantfile in the solum-dev repo on rackerlabs does the hookup when it starts devstack | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: agreed | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni | we will also have dependency on heat (and may be zuul) | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| noorul | so zuul is independent of devstack | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | we have a few minutes remaining, so we can continue on this, or bring up any other topics | 16:57 |
| noorul | I have one question | 16:57 |
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| devkulkarni | noorul: if someone want to try end-to-end, they would need zuul setup. I was thinking it can be made part of devstack, like other services | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: proceed | 16:57 |
| noorul | How early can we start applying for incubation? | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: good question. | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | I suppose that if we want to pursue incubation, it's never too early to publicly state that as an intent of ours | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | and when we all feel we are ready to apply, in terms of functionality… then we can do that | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | anyone have objections to stating an intent to file for incubation? | 16:59 |
| paulczar | devkulkarni: correct, I think we would need to add scripts in contrib/devstack/lib/solum to install/start external tools such as zuul | 16:59 |
| noorul | paulczar: So that needs a bp | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: we could adjust that part of our Wiki to make that intent more clear. | 17:00 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: ok | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | anyone agree? | 17:00 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: Should we ask M? | 17:00 |
| noorul | ML? | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | let;s put it on next weeks agenda | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | so we can ave a good discussion about it | 17:00 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: ok, thank you! | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: good point about bp | 17:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to add incubation discussion to next agenda | 17:01 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone! | 17:01 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 11 17:01:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-02-11-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-02-11-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-02-11-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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| ativelkov | #startmeeting murano | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 11 17:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | Hi folks | 17:02 |
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| dteselkin | Hi | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | #link This is our agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | #topic AI review | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | So, let's start | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | ativelkov and gokrokve to submit more BPs to Glance | 17:05 |
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| ativelkov | We've started doing that and submitted several BPs | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | more remain to be done | 17:05 |
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| ativelkov | The main work which is still in progress is to create a draft for the API | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | it is on me currently | 17:06 |
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| ativelkov | ativelkov to update project roadmap to reflect the metadata | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | repository req's | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | Not done yet: I had too much presentation activities last week, didn't get to that | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | #action ativelkov to update project roadmap to reflect the metadata repository req's | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | So this remains to be done | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | And the last one on me create more MVP-releated blueprints | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | This one was actually done by katyafervent, thanks to her :) | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | katyafervent to comment the blueprint on dynamic service description | 17:10 |
| ativelkov | Any comments here? | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, not done yet, katyafervent planned to work on this item tomorrow | 17:10 |
| katyafervent2 | Yes, I have no time due to release postponed | 17:11 |
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| ativelkov | ok, let's have it for the next week as well | 17:11 |
| ativelkov | #action katyafervent to comment the blueprint on dynamic service descriptions | 17:11 |
| katyafervent2 | Ok | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | next one: stanlagun to update the DSL description according to the implemented POC | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, AFAIK it is done: http://bit.ly/1bJ7jjh | 17:13 |
| stanlagun | I've written DSL description. It is on googledocs now. I'm going to publish it on wiki after initial feedback and approval | 17:13 |
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| ativelkov | Yes, let's publish it and get the feedback from the community. | 17:14 |
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| ativelkov | we'll also need some abstract and quick examples | 17:14 |
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| ativelkov | last ai: tnurlygayanov to help stanlagun with DSL Engine & YAML workflow unit tests | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | any prohress on testing? | 17:15 |
| tnurlygayanov___ | no, we just read the code | 17:16 |
| katyafervent2 | We decide to choose anybody else to help with this action item | 17:16 |
| katyafervent2 | No? | 17:16 |
| stanlagun | I just starting with testing. The first thing that need to be done is make it testable. Need to throw correct exceptions, to pass exception call stack across green threads etc | 17:16 |
| stanlagun | Also need to write some simple testing framework that would contain all needed mocks and class injection mechanics | 17:17 |
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| sergmelikyan | I would like to mention that improving unit-tests coverage may be much proficient during actual development, not on PoC | 17:18 |
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| ativelkov | yes, sure | 17:18 |
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| ativelkov | So, let's agree that the testing framework is needed indeed, but actual tests should be done only hen adding this functionality to Murano itself | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | Any objections? | 17:19 |
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| sergmelikyan | testing framework should also be developed during development phase ) What reason behind framework without tests? | 17:19 |
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| stanlagun | Tests already needed so that i wouldn't brake one part of DSL while adding features to another | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | because it is the part of the engine | 17:20 |
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| sergmelikyan | I think mentioned framework will be efficiently written when will be needed by actual tests | 17:20 |
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| ativelkov | Ok | 17:21 |
| sergmelikyan | stanlagun, I think there is no reason to invest time on PoC development. We need feedback and integration in main project | 17:21 |
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| ativelkov | it turns out we are already on our next agenda topic :) | 17:22 |
| ativelkov | #topic New DSL status | 17:22 |
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| ativelkov | We've already received some feedback on the new language | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | the general idea is that we need to simplify it as much as possible, to reduce the adoption time for the new developers | 17:23 |
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| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, I think we need to publish docs written by Stan as soon as possible, and discuss feature by feature features | 17:24 |
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| ativelkov | Yes, but first we need a short abstract | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, sure | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | Some draft of this abstract may be seen here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v5rce77Rpt | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v5rce77Rpt | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | But it has to be finalized first | 17:27 |
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| ativelkov | #action tivelkov, stanlagun to complete the short abstract for the new DSL and then publish a complete description of Wiki | 17:28 |
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| ativelkov | meawhile, it is suggested not to use the term "DSL" at all | 17:28 |
| ativelkov | This thing may have features and power of a full-fledged programming language but it should not look like it- unless absolutely needed | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | Our users/develeopers should think of them as about the configuration files | 17:30 |
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| ativelkov | Herman Narkaytis has even proposed an analogue with the make-file | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | But it may also look overcomplicated | 17:32 |
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| ativelkov | Anything else on this topic | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | ? | 17:33 |
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| ativelkov | then, let's move on | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | #topic Oslo.messaging status | 17:34 |
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| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: could you please share an update here? | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | I had published email to the mailing list with results of my research. In short - we can migrate to oslo.messaging | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | ETA: around a week | 17:40 |
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| ativelkov | OK, is it doable as part of 0.5? | 17:40 |
| sergmelikyan | Sure | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | good | 17:40 |
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| ativelkov | #info migration to oslo.messaging to be done as part of 0.5 | 17:41 |
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| ativelkov | #link the ML thread here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026843.html | 17:42 |
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| ativelkov | ok, the last item in agenda | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | #topic Repository Reorganization | 17:43 |
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| ativelkov | That's what we didn't complete discussiong last time | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | There was a message to ML from sergmelikyan | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026526.html | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | I wanted other Muranoers to express some opinions as well | 17:44 |
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| ativelkov | Either here or in a mailing list | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | We have to make decisions on that before we start the actual coding of 0.5 | 17:45 |
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| ativelkov | No opinions? :) | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | :) | 17:47 |
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| ativelkov | oh, well. Guys, this needs to be done. Let's schedule the discussion on some other time then, when everybody are ready | 17:48 |
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| ativelkov | #topic Open Discussion | 17:49 |
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| ativelkov | Anything else to discuss? | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | Well, lets wrap up then | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | Thanks for joining | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 11 17:51:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-02-11-17.02.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-02-11-17.02.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-02-11-17.02.log.html | 17:51 |
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| pballand | hello | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 18:01 |
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| rajdeep | hi | 18:01 |
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| pballand | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 11 18:01:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pballand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 18:01 |
| pballand | So I didn't update the agenda, but there are a couple things | 18:02 |
| pballand | 1) change meeting time | 18:02 |
| pballand | 2) discuss design doc | 18:02 |
| pballand | 3) open discussion | 18:02 |
| pballand | #topic meeting time | 18:02 |
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| pballand | we have heard from a few people that the meeting time doesn't work for them | 18:03 |
| rajdeep | yeah too late for my time zone in india | 18:03 |
| pballand | I think a PST time would be better for thinrichs and I | 18:03 |
| pballand | would 1 or 2 hours earlier help rajdeep? | 18:04 |
| rajdeep | 1 hour early would be better | 18:04 |
| rajdeep | i attend solum meeting 2 hours earlier than this meeting | 18:04 |
| pballand | if we can fine a room available, that would work | 18:04 |
| pballand | there is #openstack-meeting-3 now | 18:05 |
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| pballand | so 1700 UTC on ever other Tues? | 18:06 |
| pballand | anyone? | 18:07 |
| rajdeep | yes that will be better | 18:07 |
| thinrichs | Works for me | 18:07 |
| pballand | #agreed meeting will be changed to #openstack-meeting-3 at 1700UTC | 18:07 |
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| pballand | I will make the changes on the wiki | 18:07 |
| pballand | #topic Congress design doc | 18:07 |
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| pballand | thinrichs has been working on the design doc | 18:08 |
| pballand | do you mind talking a bit about what you have and what should be done next? | 18:08 |
| thinrichs | #link https://docs.google.com/a/vmware.com/document/d/1f2xokl9Tc47aV67KEua0PBRz4jsdSDLXth7dYe-jz6Q/edit# | 18:08 |
| thinrichs | We've got the basic structure and there's plenty of text describing the basic design. | 18:09 |
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| thinrichs | There are a number of holes highlighted in yellow that need to be filled in. | 18:09 |
| thinrichs | Some of the holes are conceptual details and some are API details. | 18:10 |
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| thinrichs | Probably the most useful thing at this point is for everyone to scan it and make high-level comments. | 18:11 |
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| thinrichs | Are we missing important design issues? Do we agree with the things that are there? Are there things we're missing? | 18:11 |
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| rajdeep | is the doc editable? | 18:11 |
| pballand | Not publicly | 18:12 |
| pballand | (as of now) | 18:12 |
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| pballand | I can add you (or anyone else who wants to contribute) | 18:12 |
| rajdeep | sure, i was planning to start documenting existing implementation | 18:13 |
| rajdeep | how are API server and the lexer parser linked in the current design | 18:13 |
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| pballand | they aren't :-) | 18:13 |
| rajdeep | ok :) | 18:13 |
| rajdeep | i was not able to figure out..i am assuming they have to be linked | 18:14 |
| pballand | actually, there are 2 different entry points | 18:14 |
| pballand | one just runs the parser, the other launches the API in an eventlet loop, with some policy engine integration | 18:14 |
| pballand | but I have some uncommitted code on this that I have to clean up and get in | 18:14 |
| rajdeep | ok.. | 18:14 |
| rajdeep | so people create their policies offline | 18:15 |
| rajdeep | and hook into policy engine | 18:15 |
| thinrichs | There are a bunch of things we're planning to do over the next month to get the prototype ready for others to use/understand. | 18:15 |
| pballand | currently, yes, but the plan is that they can set/update policies via the API | 18:15 |
| thinrichs | Here's the list. Let's add to it/modify it. | 18:15 |
| rajdeep | exactly | 18:15 |
| thinrichs | - Hook up Congress to Nova/Neutron data sources (ideally in a way that makes it easy to hook up other data sources so that if customers have a use case with another data source then we/they can add it in short order) | 18:16 |
| rajdeep | one entry point for everything | 18:16 |
| thinrichs | - Hook up Congress to Nova/Neutron actions (so that we can actually correct violations after they occur) | 18:16 |
| thinrichs | - Do some scaling tests/minor performance improvements. Don't want to hand them something that only works with 10 hosts. | 18:16 |
| thinrichs | - Add some error handling. | 18:16 |
| thinrichs | - Some basic user docs | 18:16 |
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| rajdeep | are you planning to use nova / neutron python clients | 18:16 |
| rajdeep | or REST directly | 18:17 |
| pballand | I was thinking REST so they are more loosely coupled | 18:17 |
| pballand | but performance could be an issue... | 18:17 |
| rajdeep | ok... | 18:17 |
| rajdeep | any plans to integrate congress into devstack | 18:18 |
| rajdeep | ? | 18:18 |
| pballand | that's probably the best way for integration testing | 18:18 |
| pballand | but it isn't on my short-list | 18:18 |
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| pballand | it would be great if someone can tackle this | 18:19 |
| pballand | #topic open discussion | 18:20 |
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| rajdeep_ | let us get the nova/neutron integration first | 18:21 |
| rajdeep_ | devstack comes into picture after that | 18:21 |
| pballand | that sounds reasonable to me | 18:21 |
| pballand | I'll try to get some of my old commits cleaned up and pushed | 18:21 |
| rajdeep_ | where will congress pickup uses/ groups from | 18:21 |
| pballand | and documenting a simple workflow with API is high priority | 18:21 |
| rajdeep_ | users* | 18:21 |
| pballand | I did a simple hack for Active Directory | 18:22 |
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| rajdeep_ | ok, | 18:22 |
| pballand | but we should also support keystone | 18:22 |
| rajdeep_ | for devstack keystone would be default | 18:23 |
| pballand | yup | 18:23 |
| thinrichs | The goal, though, is for these to be examples of where users could be imported. | 18:23 |
| rajdeep_ | and why are we using ovs in the current implementation | 18:23 |
| rajdeep_ | saw some imports | 18:23 |
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| pballand | because that was an easy way for demonizing Python :) | 18:23 |
| pballand | I should use oslo | 18:24 |
| pballand | but was in a hurry and used what I knew | 18:24 |
| rajdeep_ | yeah..i got confused | 18:24 |
| rajdeep_ | looking at ovw | 18:24 |
| rajdeep_ | ovs | 18:24 |
| pballand | yeah, it's just the ova-python utility routines | 18:25 |
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| rajdeep | ah ok.. | 18:26 |
| pballand | anything else to discuss today? | 18:26 |
| thinrichs | How about next steps for each of us? | 18:26 |
| rajdeep | i will go through the doc and ask questions if required | 18:26 |
| thinrichs | From the list above, I was planning on ... | 18:26 |
| rajdeep | what is the best way of communication : mailing list | 18:27 |
| thinrichs | - Add some error handling and do overall cleanup of the policy engine | 18:27 |
| pballand | yes, openstack-dev is probably the best place | 18:27 |
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| rajdeep | i will explore keystone integration | 18:27 |
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| pballand | ok, great | 18:28 |
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| pballand | so Feb 25, at 1700UTC is the next meeting | 18:29 |
| pballand | until then, questions on the mailing list | 18:29 |
| rajdeep | ok, | 18:29 |
| pballand | thanks everyone | 18:30 |
| pballand | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 11 18:30:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-02-11-18.01.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-02-11-18.01.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-02-11-18.01.log.html | 18:30 |
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| matty_dubs | TripleO meeting time? | 19:01 |
| jcoufal | probably... | 19:01 |
| jistr | o/ | 19:01 |
| jcoufal | \o | 19:01 |
| shadower | hola | 19:01 |
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| jomara | hi | 19:01 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:02 |
| dkehn | hi | 19:02 |
| matty_dubs | \o\ | 19:02 |
| bnemec | /o/ | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | aye... | 19:02 |
| slagle | hi | 19:02 |
| dprince | howdy | 19:02 |
| * pino|work greets | 19:02 | |
| greghaynes | O/ | 19:03 |
| lsmola | hello | 19:03 |
| pblaho | \o | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:04 |
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| lsmola | SpamapS: so, still doesn't work with new devtest https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1279011 | 19:05 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 11 19:05:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | Ahoy there! | 19:06 |
| lsmola | SpamapS: but works with slagle 's undercloud-live as rlandy tried | 19:06 |
| lsmola | _o/ | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | lsmola: wait one moment while we get to the bugs topic :) | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | #topic bugs | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:06 | |
| lsmola | SpamapS: I am a skipper :-) | 19:06 |
| lsmola | hehe that was fast :-D | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | oh I forgot | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:07 |
| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1279011 needs triage | 19:08 |
| slagle | lsmola: i assume the heat syack-update in the description is just a typo in the bug? | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | slagle: it is assigned a High importance, it just isn't known to be reproducible.. :) | 19:09 |
| lsmola | slagle: yes sorry | 19:09 |
| slagle | SpamapS: it should still be set to Triaged though? or no? | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | slagle: Well I see New as a signal to developers to try and clarify the bug... Triaged would just put it on the stack of things to fix. | 19:10 |
| lsmola | slagle: set | 19:10 |
| lsmola | SpamapS: unset? :-) | 19:10 |
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| SpamapS | lsmola: if you think devs can work it then Triaged is appropriate. If you'd like to see if more users experience the problem, New. | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | I'm fine either way. | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | Triaged is really such a weird status name. | 19:11 |
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| lsmola | SpamapS: ok, I vote for more users | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | :) ok | 19:11 |
| lsmola | so anybody else experienced it? | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | so https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1271344 has been hitting us on the cd-undercloud lately | 19:11 |
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| SpamapS | but I think we _also_ have some machines in our rack that don't work well | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | I've been working on isolating those so we can open tickets and get them fixed | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | Also I totally forgot releases last week so the fix committed bugs can all go to fix released soon | 19:13 |
| jistr | all check-tripleo-undercloud-precise Jenkins jobs fail on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1278861 | 19:13 |
| jistr | there is workaround available if running locally, so i set it to high | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | I think this bug needs some interaction https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1278976 ... the poster gives no justification for why /etc is a bad place for t-h-t | 19:14 |
| jistr | but i wonder if it should be critical because it breaks Jenkins | 19:14 |
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| SpamapS | jistr: I think so.. the bar for me is the amount of affect it has on users.. and jenkins not working is indeed a large effect! | 19:14 |
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| SpamapS | Any other bugs? | 19:15 |
| jistr | SpamapS: ok, done | 19:15 |
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| SpamapS | #topic reviews | 19:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:16 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:16 |
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| SpamapS | seems we've been leaving things sitting a bit more this past week | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | Consider this a reminder that we need to keep up with the in-flow. | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | I don't think we have a team shortage.. it seems like we've done less reviews is all. | 19:17 |
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| SpamapS | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:19 | |
| SpamapS | shadower: I think you wanted to do the release process? | 19:19 |
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| shadower | SpamapS: yup | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | rpodolyaka1: perhaps you can assist shadower ? | 19:19 |
| rpodolyaka1 | SpamapS: shadower: sure | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | rpodolyaka1: (and welcome back from vacation :) | 19:19 |
| shadower | any docs you can point me at? | 19:19 |
| rpodolyaka1 | SpamapS: thanks :) | 19:19 |
| ccrouch | tripleo-heat-templates, tripleo-image-elements and diskimage-builder have a bunch of changes and don't look like they have had a release in ~3wks | 19:20 |
| rpodolyaka1 | shadower: just ping me, if you need any help with releases | 19:20 |
| shadower | rpodolyaka1: will do, thanks | 19:20 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | shadower: np | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | The process is basically "make a signed tag. Push that tag to gerrit. Close bugs" | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | Not sure if we have an automated thing for "Close bugs" | 19:21 |
| rpodolyaka1 | yeah, we have a script | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | rpodolyaka1: sweet | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:21 | |
| shadower | sweet | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | tripleo-cd is failing always now because of a combination of hardware issues and the neutron bug I cited earlier | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | I believe I'm close to isolating _12_ "bad" machines. | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | but it could be some of them are just victims of the neutron bug so I am going to be disabling them all and then enabling each one to see if it can deploy. | 19:23 |
| tchaypo | What does bad mean in this case? | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: won't pxe boot or fail somewhere between pxe boot and running. | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | remotely debugging them via ilo can be tedious because of the 8 minute POST windows where the console shows nothing. :-P | 19:24 |
| tchaypo | So possibly a variety of causes, but all we care about is that they aren't useable right now | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: right, we want to just make sure we stop trying to deploy to the bad ones. | 19:24 |
| lsmola | have to leave early today, see you guys tomorrow | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | and that we get our NOC to fix them | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | At least you can enjoy a coffee while waiting for the ILO. Tends to be frowned on if you're physically in front of the machine | 19:25 |
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| SpamapS | hah true | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | ok so that is where it is at. Hopefully will recover and regain our 50% uptime rating this week. :-P | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | #topic CI virtualized testing status | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI virtualized testing status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:27 | |
| SpamapS | It seems like they're deep in discussion about tripleo things in the infra meeting.. | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | so lets skip and come back | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | #topic open discussion | 19:28 |
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| * pino|work has a topic | 19:28 | |
| * matty_dubs as well | 19:28 | |
| SpamapS | lifeless: when you're done in infra meeting.. ping back here for the CI virtualized testing stuff | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | pleia2: you too | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | dprince: you three | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | pino|work: fire away | 19:28 |
| pino|work | it is something that has been proposed few times in the past | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | Puppies for everyone? | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | I told you, the shipping costs... | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | oh ;) | 19:29 |
| pino|work | ie basically making use of the guestfs tools (virt-builder, virt-sysprep, guestfish, etc) to handle the generation and edit of images | 19:29 |
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| SpamapS | pino|work: I think we'd all be open to other tools. We have a _lot_ invested in tripleo elements. But diskimage-builder's guts are pretty light weight. | 19:30 |
| pino|work | ... instead of disk-image-builder (which, at least to my looks earlier today, seemed a bit... fragile and possibly insecure) | 19:30 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: aiieee | 19:30 |
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| pino|work | since rwmjones and me are starting to head toward a new 1.26 release in a month or two, it would be a great time for asking feedback from you guys and have this reflected in our tools | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | pino|work: spin up a VM.. run dib in it.. tear down VM. Not sure where the insecurity is. | 19:31 |
| pino|work | that's what our tools do as well | 19:32 |
| jistr | pino|work: is it clear how to make the guestfs tools use tripleo-image-elements? or is it something that needs to be worked out? | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | pino|work: I would be willing to bet that you could change dib to work via other tools than the current chroot based solution. | 19:32 |
| pino|work | SpamapS: i remember about the chroot, it was not totally clear it was spawned within a vm | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: so am here | 19:33 |
| lifeless | question was? | 19:33 |
| jprovazn | I agreee that DIB elements should might work with virt-builder | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | pino|work: it is not, but it could be with relative ease | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: CI virtualized testing progress | 19:33 |
| jprovazn | and AFAIK virt-builder supports building of windows images | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: but let's address pino's issue first | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | Ok this is TripleO... | 19:33 |
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| SpamapS | we're not running pieces of OpenStack on Windows. :) | 19:33 |
| lifeless | pino|work: whats insecure about dib? Note that if you say 'the image you unpack might be hostile' - note that if the image is hostile, the code in it certainly is, and that code is going to be your /cloud/. | 19:33 |
| rwmjones | guestfs does the "spinning up in a VM" already (and uses things like sVirt and containers too) | 19:34 |
| pino|work | lifeless: handling tools like kpartx, losetup, etc as root | 19:34 |
| jprovazn | so it would be great to consider virt-builder before guys working on DIB for windows go too far | 19:34 |
| slagle | fyi, i wrote a thing a while back to apply elements not using a chroot. virt-builder could use that with relative ease i suspect, since it can run arbitrary scripts | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | jprovazn: definitely | 19:34 |
| lifeless | pino|work: right, this debate is all based around the argument that you're unpacking random images that might be hostile. | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | slagle: indeed! | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | slagle: the dib element interface is well documented and _relatively_ stable. | 19:35 |
| lifeless | pino|work: Which is a scenario Nova has, but we don't. | 19:35 |
| pino|work | jprovazn: exactly, i was told about the windows support, which at least we should have at some degree (of course, we're open to improvements) | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | so if there is a concern over dib, I'd like to see a clear write up of the concerns as a blueprint, and an open discussion on the ML where the concerns can be articulated. | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | blueprint or bugs or both actually :) | 19:35 |
| lifeless | well | 19:35 |
| lifeless | lets start with a bug | 19:35 |
| lifeless | blueprints are timeline coordination tools | 19:36 |
| pino|work | regarding the elements: i looked at the current elements, and most of the features done with them are currently doable with virt-builder/virt-sysprep/guestfish | 19:36 |
| lifeless | a bug/etherpad/mailing list discussion. | 19:36 |
| jistr | pino|work: is it possible to build images with guestfs tools without having sudo rights? | 19:36 |
| lifeless | pino|work: so, I'm still unclear: whats the problem statement. | 19:37 |
| lifeless | pino|work: and what are the benefits/tradeoffs. Technical ability to do the thing comes second IMO. | 19:37 |
| pino|work | jistr: noting that we don't do installations from scratch/kickstart/d-i/etc, the rest is done with no need for sudo/root | 19:37 |
| rwmjones | jistr: yes, no sudo or root needed at all for anything libguestfs related | 19:38 |
| pino|work | lifeless: benefits: image manipulation doable without root rights at all, in an isolated vm | 19:38 |
| rwmjones | jistr: except if you have an image which is owned by root and -rw------ but I guess that goes without saying .. | 19:38 |
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| jistr | rwmjones, pino|work: sounds good | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | pino|work: we can do that, just by running dib.. in an isolated vm.. :p | 19:39 |
| lifeless | pino|work: as SpamapS says, we have that. | 19:39 |
| lifeless | pino|work: sdake put a heat template together for it. | 19:39 |
| pino|work | lifeless: userbase very-well tested, also in production, and with easier user handling than shell scripts | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | pino|work: if you could automate just doing that.. that might be attractive. :) | 19:39 |
| lifeless | pino|work: what do you mean by 'easier user handling than shell scripts'? | 19:39 |
| slagle | dib could still destroy the vm it's in due to it's chroot bind mounting | 19:41 |
| pino|work | lifeless: easier way to do operations than using chunks of shell code | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | slagle: I doubt we'd shed a tear for said VM. ;) | 19:41 |
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| slagle | SpamapS: sure, it's just a very unfriendly thing | 19:41 |
| slagle | and hard(ish) to debug | 19:42 |
| lifeless | pino|work: uhm | 19:42 |
| lifeless | pino|work: I still don't understand 'easier than shell code' | 19:42 |
| pino|work | lifeless: for example, virt-builder can handle users creation/passwords, package installation, file editing and more during the image building phase | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | slagle: we destroyed /dev on everybody's laptop and, while mildly inconvenient, we didn't stop using it or start using it in vms the next day ;) | 19:42 |
| lifeless | pino|work: since the whole point of dib is to run shell code. | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | pino|work: that is complecting | 19:42 |
| slagle | SpamapS: indeed, but i'm not thinking about "us" | 19:43 |
| pino|work | "complecting"? | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | pino|work: dib runs elements. It is simple and does one thing well. I don't want dib to know how to make users. | 19:43 |
| matty_dubs | In any case, is this the place to sort it out? Or should this be taken to a bug/mailing list discussion? | 19:43 |
| ccrouch | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/complecting | 19:43 |
| rwmjones | I think "complicating" | 19:43 |
| slagle | SpamapS: more so a cloud admin/operator | 19:43 |
| matty_dubs | I feel like this conversation could go on for several hours | 19:43 |
| bnemec | matty_dubs: +1 | 19:44 |
| rwmjones | crumbs, that is a real word :-) | 19:44 |
| jprovazn | SpamapS, I remember that vaporized /dev on my laptop was beautiful welcome message when I was starting :) | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | Right I'm suggesting that this is something that needs an articulated document and some thought that a 59 minute meeting will not allow. | 19:44 |
| lifeless | agreed | 19:44 |
| lifeless | so look, in principle I'm not against dib dying a beautiful death as patches to something else. | 19:44 |
| lifeless | But | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | jprovazn: welcome to Seattle, you didn't need /dev anyway | 19:44 |
| pino|work | sure, i was generally trying to restart a discussion about it | 19:44 |
| jprovazn | hehe | 19:45 |
| lifeless | We've a -very- tight timeline for delivery of key things for multiple vendors | 19:45 |
| lifeless | and dib is finished. | 19:45 |
| lifeless | It works, it meets all our current use cases. | 19:45 |
| lifeless | So I have approximately 0 interest in fixing it for fixing sake at the moment. | 19:45 |
| pino|work | i was told you need windows support... which means kind of rewriting it | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | we do not | 19:45 |
| rwmjones | well we're going to work on some stuff to make virt-builder do everything that dib can do, so suggestions are welcome | 19:45 |
| lifeless | pino|work: There's a vendor that wants a window image building thing analagous to dib. | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | OpenStack on OpenStack has no need to deploy workloads on Windows AFAIK. | 19:46 |
| lifeless | pino|work: We'll point them at virt-builder and see if it meets their use case. | 19:46 |
| jprovazn | pino|work, not rewriting but creating another "dib windows" project | 19:46 |
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| SpamapS | we may _deploy_ windows images.. but that is way different than needing windows for TripleO. | 19:46 |
| lifeless | pino|work: if it doesn't, they might offer patches, or do something new. | 19:46 |
| lifeless | pino|work: dunno yet. How mature is virt-builders windows support ? | 19:46 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: ok, cool! | 19:47 |
| rwmjones | it can create a windows image, but not install software or firstboot scripts yet | 19:47 |
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| rwmjones | resize supports works at the moment | 19:47 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: ok, so the interesting bit is installing stuff :) | 19:47 |
| rwmjones | certainly, but we'll get that soon | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | rwmjones: on making virt-builder do what dib can do: - key features for me: | 19:47 |
| lifeless | - run simple shell scripts | 19:47 |
| rwmjones | (done!) | 19:47 |
| lifeless | - access resources outside the image being built | 19:48 |
| pino|work | lifeless: i was not trying to said "kill dib now", just that we could use your feedback in making our tools have the functionalities you need right now with dib (as to eveventually switch to them in some future) | 19:48 |
| rwmjones | done! | 19:48 |
| dprince | rwmjones: the only hangup for me is installing RPMs (without using a firstboot script) | 19:48 |
| rwmjones | (you can attach disks, or grab stuff off the network) | 19:48 |
| lifeless | - let users interactively poke around within the thing, to debug things that failed. | 19:48 |
| rwmjones | you can install RPMs | 19:48 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: ah, so neither of attach disks or grabb off network are what I mean | 19:48 |
| rwmjones | lifeless: that's a good point, our debug support isn't great | 19:48 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: I mean 'I have a local file <here>' and I want it <there> in the image. | 19:49 |
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| rwmjones | lifeless: oh right, yes you can do that now, using --upload option | 19:49 |
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| lifeless | rwmjones: so that e.g. RPM can share its cache with the host os. | 19:49 |
| pino|work | (or the upload command in guestfish, for example) | 19:49 |
| rwmjones | but only files, we could/should let you upload more substantial stuff | 19:49 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: which --upload doesn't deliver. | 19:49 |
| rwmjones | like directories | 19:49 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: and uploading the whole cache to pull out what files are needed sounds expensive. | 19:49 |
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| rwmjones | well we could do it with 9pfs, which libguestfs supports but virt-builder doesn't use right now | 19:50 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: ah, ok. | 19:50 |
| rwmjones | ok, all good ideas anyway, thanks | 19:50 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: so anyhow - teh debug support we have is also limited today but it is super useful | 19:50 |
| lifeless | rwmjones: the bind mounting stuff is super useful | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | the use case is that we will run dib on a machine that already has git trees checked out and ready to use.. | 19:50 |
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| lifeless | rwmjones: dib itself has a few minor os specific abstractions, I'm sure virt-builder has them too | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | among other things | 19:51 |
| rwmjones | ok I'm off now, but thanks -- will read the IRC log when it is posted | 19:51 |
| pino|work | we have guestmount to mount images on your host using fuse | 19:51 |
| slagle | like well populated yum caches :) | 19:51 |
| lifeless | pino|work: we don't do that | 19:51 |
| lifeless | pino|work: we start with tarballs - when we download a qcow2 or something, the first thing we do is unpack it into a tarball | 19:51 |
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| matty_dubs | May I humbly submit that this feels quite off-topic and has taken about a good chunk of the meeting? | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | agreed | 19:51 |
| lifeless | agreed | 19:51 |
| rwmjones | agreed | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | and matty_dubs has another topic | 19:51 |
| matty_dubs | Oh, right! Mine is probably far less-interesting, though. | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | YOU want puppies too? ;) | 19:52 |
| matty_dubs | Was just curious about the meetup. Is there a venue set? | 19:52 |
| matty_dubs | Hotel recommendation? | 19:52 |
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| matty_dubs | And, will there be puppies handed out at the meeting? | 19:52 |
| * jcoufal shares the same question | 19:52 | |
| tchaypo | What's all this about puppies? I was promised ponies! | 19:52 |
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| shadower | matty_dubs: what a bore! | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | matty_dubs: City: yes, Venue: may shift. | 19:53 |
| SpamapS | Hotel is something we should have "shortly" with a group rate. | 19:53 |
| matty_dubs | Oh, and are we meeting Friday, or is it a travel day? I had conflicting information. (Either's A-OK with me.) | 19:53 |
| SpamapS | I believe the venue will be open and some will stay through Friday | 19:53 |
| SpamapS | I am leaving Friday morning. | 19:53 |
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| matty_dubs | Ah, okay, so either will work then | 19:54 |
| matty_dubs | So we should book flights to be there Monday-Friday, but not everyone will be there Friday, and we shouldn't book a hotel until we hear about a group rate. | 19:55 |
| matty_dubs | ^ apt summary? | 19:55 |
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| SpamapS | matty_dubs: I believe so yes | 19:56 |
| matty_dubs | Awesome, thanks. | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | Not sure why the hotel is taking so long. | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | Thought we'd have that by now. | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | with that I believe we will come to a close. | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | watch the ML for more details about the meetup. | 19:56 |
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| SpamapS | thanks everyone! | 19:57 |
| jomara | thanks SpamapS | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 11 19:57:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| pino|work | thanks, and sorry for taking too much time :) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-11-19.05.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-11-19.05.txt | 19:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-11-19.05.log.html | 19:57 |
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| SpamapS | pino|work: It is most appreciated, nothing ot be sorry for :) | 19:57 |
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| matty_dubs | Hehe, yeah, it's an interesting conversation to have. | 19:57 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | night all! | 19:58 |
| jistr | thanks all, bye :) | 19:58 |
| matty_dubs | Didn't mean to shut it down, as much as suggest that it move to the list, since it didn't look like it was going to be resolved here. | 19:58 |
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| matty_dubs | Adios! | 19:58 |
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| pino|work | jistr: o/ :) | 19:58 |
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| lifeless | matty_dubs: its a meeting day | 19:59 |
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| lifeless | matty_dubs: but some folk are leaving early for family/etc | 19:59 |
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| matty_dubs | Ah, okay, so I'll plan on being there for Friday. | 19:59 |
| matty_dubs | tzumainn: ^ | 20:00 |
| jcoufal | thanks guys | 20:00 |
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