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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 12 13:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
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| rkukura | hi everyone! | 13:00 |
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| baoli | Hi rkukura | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi | 13:00 |
| baoli | wait for a couple of more minutes and see if more will join | 13:01 |
| beagles | hi | 13:01 |
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| sadasu | hello | 13:02 |
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| irenab | Can we start? | 13:06 |
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| baoli | I was hoping that Yongli He would join. But let's get started | 13:07 |
| baoli | Let's discuss binding:profile | 13:07 |
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| baoli | Irenab, saw your email. | 13:07 |
| irenab | baoli: what is your opinion? | 13:08 |
| baoli | So you'd like to have "vendor_id:product_id", and "domain:bus:slot.fu" | 13:08 |
| sadasu | Irena: missed replying yesterday | 13:08 |
| sadasu | I sent reply now | 13:08 |
| irenab | baoli: I think SRIOV MD will need to filter if to handle the port binding based on vendor:product | 13:09 |
| sadasu | I am OK with separation for 'vendor_id:product_id', 'domain:bus:slot.func' | 13:09 |
| baoli | irenab, I'm fine with it. | 13:10 |
| sadasu | irenab: correct about filtering | 13:10 |
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| sadasu | are they going to be 2 seperate strings? | 13:10 |
| baoli | So we name the field something like: pci_vidpid, pci_slot. | 13:10 |
| rkukura | I've read the emails too. I'll forward them to beagles, who is here from Red Hat and is much more familiar with the nova code than I am. | 13:10 |
| baoli | sadasu, yes, it's going to be strings | 13:10 |
| baoli | HI beagles | 13:11 |
| irenab | baoli: this makes sense to me | 13:11 |
| beagles | hi, baoli (and thanks rkukura) | 13:11 |
| sadasu | Hi rkukura! | 13:11 |
| irenab | beagles: wellcome to the club :-) | 13:11 |
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| sadasu | welcome beagles | 13:11 |
| beagles | thanks! | 13:12 |
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| baoli | So binding:profile:pci_vidpid = "vendor_id:product_id", binding:profile:pci_slot = "domain:bus:slot.func" | 13:12 |
| sadasu | +1 | 13:12 |
| irenab | baoli: generally agree | 13:13 |
| irenab | maybe need more friendly name for vidpid | 13:13 |
| baoli | irenab, what do you suggest? | 13:13 |
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| rkukura | I'm OK with these formats, but am not familiar enough with the nova scheduling and PCI code to know if there are any implications | 13:13 |
| irenab | baoli: no good ideas, maybe something like pci_vendor_spec | 13:14 |
| baoli | rkukura, this is input from nova to neutron while creating/updating a port. We'll get to the physical net name in a bit | 13:14 |
| rkukura | baoli: Understood | 13:15 |
| irenab | let's start with your suggestion and see if better name comes up | 13:15 |
| sadasu | pci_vender_info ? | 13:15 |
| sadasu | just throwing it out there | 13:15 |
| irenab | sadasu: sounds good | 13:16 |
| baoli | irenab, vidpid is vendor_id_product_id but vendor_spec is kind of big. | 13:16 |
| baoli | ok, pci_vendor_info is better | 13:16 |
| sadasu | pci_vidpid, pci_vendor_spec, pci_vendor_info, 3 choices so far...lets move this discussion to the thread | 13:17 |
| irenab | I am fine with pci_vendor_info | 13:17 |
| baoli | ok, let's call it pci_vendor_info | 13:17 |
| sadasu | ok....phy_net discussion now? | 13:17 |
| baoli | Let's move on to the phy net name | 13:17 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: we need phy-net to be part of binding_profile bcuz of multiprovidernet extension? | 13:18 |
| baoli | Hi Heyongli | 13:18 |
| heyongli | sorry, later, baoli, | 13:18 |
| baoli | We are just discussing the fields in binding:profile | 13:18 |
| irenab | rkukura: Is it also required for non SRIOV case? | 13:18 |
| rkukura | sadasu: The ML2 model for networks is that they can have multiple segments | 13:19 |
| rkukura | The multiprovidernet API extension lets admins create these, and see the details. | 13:19 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: ok | 13:20 |
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| rkukura | Even if we don't end up having the nova code in icehouse use multiprovidernet, I believe we should define the interaction between nova and neutron so that nova tells neutron which phyiscal_network its SR-IOV device is connected to | 13:20 |
| sadasu | rkukura: I agree | 13:21 |
| rkukura | The code in the mechanism driver will just need one additional line to compare this to the segment's physical_network as it iterates through the segments (see the AgentMechanismDriverBase) | 13:21 |
| sadasu | I am fuzzy about how the diff segments would be considered for scheduling decision in nova | 13:21 |
| irenab | rkukura: I am not sure why nova will send physical network name to neutron on create port, we currently plan to get physicla network name from neutron | 13:21 |
| sadasu | rkukura: agree | 13:22 |
| rkukura | irenab: If nuetron networks never had multiple segments, this info would be redundant, but multiple segments are possible | 13:22 |
| rkukura | sadasu: I also am fuzzy about how nova's scheduling would handle multiple segment networks | 13:23 |
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| rkukura | The filter would need to allow compute nodes that have an SR-IOV device connected to any of the physical_networks. | 13:24 |
| irenab | rkukura: so nova code that baoli plan, should support multisegment networks for scheduling decision? | 13:25 |
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| rkukura | But if the instance has multiple SR-IOV ports, then the filter needs to only allow compute nodes with the correct number of available devices, each connected to one of the physical_networks for a specific port's network | 13:25 |
| rkukura | If baoli knows how to make the scheduling work, that would be great. | 13:26 |
| sadasu | :-) | 13:26 |
| irenab | rkukura: by filter you mean the MD validate_port_binding sequence? | 13:26 |
| baoli | rkukura, as exchanged in the email, each compute node would tag their devices with the phsical network it supports | 13:26 |
| baoli | Then it becomes a matter of finding a compute node that satisfy: net-group = phy-net1 OR net-group = phy-net2 OR .... | 13:27 |
| rkukura | But even if we start initially with the nova code only using the old providernet extension, I think the binding:profile:physical_network should be sent to neutron and neutron should ensure that the port binds to a segment with that physical_network | 13:27 |
| irenab | rkukura: agree | 13:27 |
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| rkukura | baoli: That works fine for a single port. | 13:28 |
| baoli | rkukura, what do you mean by single port? | 13:28 |
| rkukura | It gets fuzzy for me when their are multiple ports, each with its own list of physical_networks | 13:28 |
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| baoli | rkukura, it works the same way | 13:28 |
| rkukura | baoli: The instance only connects to one SR-IOV network. | 13:28 |
| baoli | rkukura, can you be more specific by "connect to one SR-IOV network" | 13:29 |
| rkukura | I guess I wasn't sure that we'd be writing logic for the scheduling filter, or trying to setup tags so that some existing filter logic would do what we need | 13:29 |
| rkukura | If the former, I don't think handling multiple SR-IOV ports per instance should be difficult. | 13:29 |
| irenab | rkukura: for virtio ports, the multi segment network case will be worked by neutron only? | 13:30 |
| baoli | rkukura, we can come up with a new filter. | 13:30 |
| rkukura | irenab: correct | 13:30 |
| baoli | rkukura, can you describe the non-sriov case? | 13:30 |
| irenab | rkukura: so SRIOV MD will need to update some segment related DB table? | 13:31 |
| rkukura | baoli: By "connect to one SR-IOV network", I mean that the user has done something like "nova boot --nic [1st SR-IOV port info] --nic [2nd SR-IOV port info] ... | 13:32 |
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| irenab | rkukura, baoli: I think this case should work | 13:32 |
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| irenab | it should work also for mixing sriov and non-sriov ports for same VM | 13:33 |
| rkukura | In the non-SR-IOV case with the agent-based MDs, the ML2 plugin's port binding code iterates over the registered MDs to try to bind, calling bind_port() on each | 13:33 |
| rkukura | Within the AgentMechanismDriverBase.bind_port() implementation, it iterates over the network segments, calling check_segment_for_agent() on the derived class for each segment. | 13:33 |
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| rkukura | The 1st segment that is tried for which the agent on the node identified by binding:host_id has a mapping for the segment's physical_network is used | 13:35 |
| heyongli | baoli, i try to catch up the multi segment network what it will impact the device extra info? | 13:35 |
| rkukura | The agents_db has these mappings via RPCs from the agents | 13:35 |
| baoli | rkukura, so you'd check the vnic_type to decide to use the phy net name or iterate throught the MDs | 13:35 |
| irenab | baoli: you still need to iterate through the MDs | 13:36 |
| baoli | s/to use the phy net name/ to use the phy net name in binding:profile/ | 13:36 |
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| rkukura | We'll need to add a line of code in the existing agent-based MDs check_segment_for_agent() to make sure vnic_type == 'virtio', so it won't bind when SR-IOV is required | 13:37 |
| baoli | heyongli, I don't think so | 13:37 |
| irenab | rkukura: it should be covered by vnic_type support in patch I pushed | 13:37 |
| irenab | I'll check this case | 13:37 |
| heyongli | baoli, seems all network side's work | 13:38 |
| rkukura | I think the SR-IOV MDs will need to iterate over the segments looking for the 1st one that has network_type of 'flat' or 'vlan' and that has the physical_network specified in binding:profile:physical_network | 13:38 |
| baoli | heyongli, it may require enhancement to the pci filter in the scheduler | 13:38 |
| rkukura | Then, for VLAN, the SR-IOV MDs can include the segment's segmentation_id within the binding:vif_details so that VIF driver can put that into the libvirt XML | 13:39 |
| heyongli | baoli, does the requirement of the filter clear now? | 13:39 |
| irenab | rkukura: makes sense | 13:39 |
| irenab | sadsu: I think its the place you put the profileid for the port | 13:40 |
| sadasu | rkukura: I think I am ok with what you said so far, will try to code it up today and ping if I have questions | 13:40 |
| rkukura | sadasu: ok | 13:40 |
| baoli | Heyongli, we still need to nail it down. | 13:40 |
| baoli | ok, so we decide to add this in binding:profile | 13:40 |
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| baoli | now, comes to the name of the field | 13:41 |
| sadasu | irenab: yes, i package segmentation id into my profileid and put that into vif_details | 13:41 |
| irenab | so we have 3 strings on binding:profile | 13:41 |
| baoli | we have pci_vendor_info, pci_slot | 13:42 |
| irenab | binding:profile:physical_network, binding:profile:pci_vendor_info, binding:profile:pci_slot | 13:42 |
| rkukura | irenab: +1 | 13:42 |
| sadasu | +1 from me | 13:42 |
| baoli | agreed | 13:42 |
| baoli | ok, move on to binding:vif_details | 13:43 |
| baoli | we would have either binding:vif_details:profileid or binding:vif_details:vlan_id for the time being? | 13:43 |
| sadasu | I think we need to have both? | 13:44 |
| irenab | sadasu: +1 | 13:44 |
| sadasu | because the these will fill diff fields in the libvirt xml file | 13:44 |
| irenab | it will be actually for different VIF Types | 13:44 |
| baoli | sadasu, by "or", I mean that which field(s) is available depends on the vif types as Irenab indicated | 13:45 |
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| irenab | another question on VIF types, do we have 2 or 4 vif types? | 13:45 |
| sadasu | baoli, irenab: agree for the dependency on vif type | 13:46 |
| baoli | we have 802_1qbh and hw_veb to be implemented initially | 13:46 |
| sadasu | direct, macvtap, virtio, hw_veb? | 13:46 |
| irenab | I mean do we have vnic_type impact on VIF_TYPE or use it as additional field to decide how to create libvirt net interface XML | 13:46 |
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| irenab | 802_1qbh_direct, 802_1qbh_macvtap,...? | 13:47 |
| baoli | irenab, vnic_type is available in the port object. I think that we'd use both vnic_type and vif_type to make that decision | 13:48 |
| irenab | baoli: you will need to propogate the vnic_type to VIFDriver | 13:49 |
| baoli | Irenab, yes | 13:49 |
| irenab | baoli: OK | 13:50 |
| baoli | I also want to add that the network xml will be a separate BP | 13:50 |
| sadasu | for icehouse or juno? | 13:51 |
| irenab | baoli: Fine with me. | 13:51 |
| sadasu | going back, vnic_type would be part of vif_details? | 13:51 |
| baoli | sadasu, Hopefully for icehouse, but we are too late | 13:51 |
| irenab | sadasu: +1 | 13:52 |
| baoli | sadasu, vnic_type is part of the port object | 13:52 |
| baoli | we have 10 minutes left. I want to discuss a little bit on our IRC meeting time | 13:52 |
| irenab | baoli: I think it make sense to add it to VIF Details | 13:52 |
| sadasu | how will nova access it ? | 13:52 |
| sadasu | yes, in port object, but has to be part of vif_details too | 13:53 |
| irenab | baoli: go ahead | 13:53 |
| rkukura | If vnic_type is a top-level port attribute, can the nova code just put it into the VIF object for the driver to use? | 13:53 |
| baoli | rkukura, that's what I thought | 13:53 |
| baoli | ok, do we still need daily meeting? | 13:53 |
| irenab | rkukura: nova will need to manage cases that vnic_type is not present in port (backward compatibility) | 13:54 |
| baoli | and heyongli, I'd like to continue the nova side of things from tomorrow. | 13:54 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:54 |
| baoli | heyongli, cool, thanks | 13:54 |
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| heyongli | but i can not attend this on Friday | 13:55 |
| baoli | irenab, the default value, if not present, is virtio, right? | 13:55 |
| baoli | heyongli, we dont' have meeting on Friday | 13:55 |
| heyongli | oh,,, | 13:55 |
| irenab | baoli: It maybe old neutron | 13:55 |
| baoli | irenab, are you suggesting that a NEW nova works with an OLD neutron? | 13:56 |
| rkukura | baoli, irenab: I think it would be fine the nova VIF driver to default to virtio when the vnic_type is not present | 13:56 |
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| rkukura | Someone may need to think about what all this means for baremetal though;-) | 13:56 |
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| baoli | Heyongli, would Yunghong join tomorrow? | 13:57 |
| irenab | rkukura: any chance you can take a look on the vnic_type patch? | 13:57 |
| heyongli | baoli , i don't thinks so | 13:58 |
| irenab | baoli: there can be plugins that not support vnic_type | 13:58 |
| rkukura | irenab: yes | 13:58 |
| baoli | Heyongli, shall we schedule a different time for nova side of things? | 13:58 |
| irenab | agree with rkukura on setting default on nova side if vnic_type not present | 13:58 |
| heyongli | he is on trip | 13:58 |
| heyongli | baoli, also fine for me | 13:59 |
| heyongli | for nova , bp is the big problem | 13:59 |
| rkukura | irenab: I started looking, saw Eugene's comment about DB migrations, then went off an solved that for my vif-details patch! | 13:59 |
| irenab | baoli: I would like to be in the loop for nova side as well | 13:59 |
| baoli | irenab, I understand | 13:59 |
| irenab | rkukura: I'll look how you solved it! | 14:00 |
| beagles | baoli, I would also like to be in the loop on the nova side | 14:00 |
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| * annegentle waves | 14:00 | |
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| irenab | so see,s we currenlty continue with daily meetings? | 14:00 |
| baoli | So let's continue tomorrow same time, start with nova stuff. | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| sadasu | baoli: +1 | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 12 14:00:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-12-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-12-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-12-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| beagles | baoli, cool | 14:00 |
| rkukura | I'll continue to track the nova side, but probably won't have as much to say;-) | 14:00 |
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| annegentle | thanks baoli :) | 14:00 |
| annegentle | who's here for the doc team meeting? | 14:01 |
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| * Sam-I-Am raises hand | 14:01 | |
| annegentle | #startmeeting DocTeam | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 12 14:01:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:01 |
| annegentle | I think I use a different meeting name and that's bad because then eavesdrop has different folder names. Ah well. | 14:01 |
| nickchase | I'm here. :) | 14:01 |
| nickchase | good morning, all. | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | Agenda is here: | 14:02 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
| loquacities | i'm here too, visiting from the future | 14:02 |
| annegentle | hey nickchase | 14:02 |
| annegentle | loquacities: how's tomorrow? | 14:02 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:02 |
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| loquacities | only started a minute and a half ago | 14:02 |
| loquacities | so it's a bit early to tell | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | All we had was slong to update the howto with the new tools update | 14:03 |
| annegentle | I think that was about test.py changing | 14:03 |
| loquacities | that's correct | 14:03 |
| loquacities | i'm not sure if that's done or not, though, i haven't gone looking | 14:03 |
| annegentle | the one before that was annegentle to email Sam-I-Am for networking details on a slide for webinar | 14:03 |
| annegentle | Uh, I don't think I did that, but I don't think the webinar is going to happen, so that's just fine | 14:03 |
| annegentle | AJaeger to create a separate CLI Reference to get input from reviewers | 14:04 |
| annegentle | That's done, woo! | 14:04 |
| annegentle | lastly, annegentle to find out if Oxygen XML is interested in continuing to support OpenStack with donated licenses | 14:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | booo | 14:04 |
| annegentle | that's done as well | 14:04 |
| loquacities | aww, no webinar :( | 14:04 |
| nickchase | are they? | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: oh believe me I'm fine with no webinar there's enough going on :) | 14:04 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yeah I sent an email to the ML - we got 10 more, one I've given away. | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Probably I'll save another for slong | 14:04 |
| annegentle | but other wise they're up for grabs | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: true | 14:05 |
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| loquacities | i'll mention that next week for apac | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | loquacities: yes please do | 14:05 |
| annegentle | Ok next topic if that's all the action items to follow up on | 14:05 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools update - 0.6 release of openstack-doc-tools | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | heh Looks like I'm behind already | 14:06 |
| annegentle | 0.6 release fixed the python packaging | 14:06 |
| annegentle | and there's an upcoming 0.7 it looks like | 14:06 |
| annegentle | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | Lots of great progress on translated documents. Much appreciation. | 14:07 |
| annegentle | I'll check with Andreas on 0.7 | 14:07 |
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| chandan_kumar | hello | 14:07 |
| annegentle | Any doc tools questions? | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | hey chandan_kumar! | 14:08 |
| AJaeger | HI | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 14:08 |
| annegentle | Hi AJaeger :) | 14:08 |
| annegentle | Do you need a 0.7 AJaeger? I see it on the release notes section | 14:09 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, not yet - first need to merge all the changes in. | 14:09 |
| AJaeger | And I would prefer if people that request features, also review them at least a bit... | 14:09 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yes good thinking | 14:09 |
| * AJaeger doesn't want to self-approve without any +1s at all. | 14:10 | |
| annegentle | AJaeger: agreed | 14:10 |
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| AJaeger | Still, doing it far too often for minor things - if somebody likes to review, I happily wait for you! | 14:10 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I'll look today, I was definitely offline a lot yesterday | 14:10 |
| annegentle | I don't think David Cramer's here to ask him anything. | 14:11 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: can you think of any report for the maven plugin? | 14:11 |
| AJaeger | Thanks, annegentle. Shall I add you to features for review? | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: I think I'm subscribed to changes on the repo | 14:11 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, great! | 14:11 |
| annegentle | dianefleming has been working on automating the table of contents / sidebar nav for the API reference page | 14:12 |
| annegentle | that's the only feature that's new for us for clouddocs-maven-plugin | 14:12 |
| dianefleming | yes! | 14:12 |
| AJaeger | There're two more that interest me: | 14:12 |
| AJaeger | Linking to ask.openstack.org | 14:12 |
| chandan_kumar | i will be reviewing all the doc-tool reviews | 14:12 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: oh yes! Thank you. | 14:12 |
| dianefleming | sorry, stepped away to get coffee | 14:12 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: man I need to get coffee :) | 14:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: it helps | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | slurrrrp | 14:13 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: is there a review in place for the link to ask? | 14:13 |
| dianefleming | i have another one coming to clouddocs-maven-plugin - adding PDF links to the API ref pages | 14:13 |
| AJaeger | Better way of handling targetdir, this will allow to copy only needed files to the server and remove the delete jobs we have in a few cases | 14:13 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: and how do we time that to prevent it changing stable/havana output? | 14:13 |
| AJaeger | It's merged already | 14:13 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok cool | 14:13 |
| AJaeger | for ask.o.o: Will only change havana if we update the pom | 14:14 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: oh nevermind my question about preventing changes, it's a version in the pom.xml. Forgive my brain pause. | 14:14 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: :) | 14:14 |
| AJaeger | The deltion: Only when we switch to new plugin for havana | 14:14 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, exactly ;) | 14:14 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: shall I ask David for a release this week or next? | 14:14 |
| AJaeger | if dianefleming's change for the API site is in: Yeah, ready to release anytime IMHO. | 14:15 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok sounds good | 14:15 |
| annegentle | Ok anything else on tools? | 14:15 |
| dianefleming | david cramer needs to approve my change on api-site | 14:15 |
| dianefleming | i'll ping him | 14:16 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: ok good | 14:16 |
| annegentle | #topic Style Guide for config strings | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Style Guide for config strings (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 14:16 | |
| annegentle | dianefleming put together a style guide similiar to the config strings one | 14:16 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70778/5 | 14:16 |
| annegentle | We can keep reviewing -- just wanted to mention it. | 14:16 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: are you also adding to HACKING.rst? | 14:16 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: I'll clarify the "admin only" comment | 14:16 |
| dianefleming | yes, and someone asked that I move it to HACKING.rst in python-novaclient | 14:17 |
| AJaeger | I'm still struggling where this belongs - whether it can be an enhancement to oslo.config or should go to the hacking repository | 14:17 |
| AJaeger | dianefleming, don't move it to HACKING.rst in novaclient. It should apply everywhere! | 14:17 |
| dianefleming | well, who is the audience? and where would they be most likely to look for this information? | 14:17 |
| AJaeger | My suggestion would be hacking repository | 14:17 |
| dianefleming | ok - wasn't aware of hacking repo - | 14:17 |
| dianefleming | will put it there | 14:17 |
| AJaeger | That contains our coding guidelines | 14:17 |
| dianefleming | ok | 14:18 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: yeah I wasn't sure either, so good to ask | 14:18 |
| AJaeger | and if nobody likes it, we'll take it in openstack-doc-tools ;) | 14:18 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: good! | 14:18 |
| dianefleming | okay - sounds like a plan | 14:18 |
| annegentle | Okie | 14:18 |
| dianefleming | i'll take care of that this morning | 14:18 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: sounds good | 14:18 |
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| annegentle | Ok moving along | 14:18 |
| annegentle | #topic Next APAC docs meeting f2f in Brisbane | 14:18 |
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| annegentle | loquacities: that's cool! | 14:18 |
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| loquacities | haha | 14:19 |
| loquacities | yep, so there's a fairly large concentration of openstack writers in brisbane | 14:19 |
| loquacities | and we've been talking about having a get together for a little while | 14:19 |
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| loquacities | so it made some sense to tie it into the apac meeting | 14:19 |
| * Sam-I-Am moves to brisbane | 14:19 | |
| AJaeger | loquacities, make a group photo to share! | 14:19 |
| loquacities | red hat have kindly offered to host it in their new meeting space | 14:20 |
| annegentle | loquacities: that is super cool | 14:20 |
| loquacities | for sure! | 14:20 |
| annegentle | Okay go to loquacities for any more details :) | 14:20 |
| loquacities | so we'll still be on irc for anyone who wants to join in | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah, cool. i was just going to ask that. | 14:20 |
| annegentle | loquacities: ok I'll try to hang out on IRC then too | 14:21 |
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| loquacities | but all the brisbanites will be in a room together :) | 14:21 |
| loquacities | that'd be awesome | 14:21 |
| loquacities | thanks for the support | 14:21 |
| annegentle | #topic Operations Guide edits from O'Reilly, master and feature/edits branches | 14:21 |
| AJaeger | might be at some "crazy" hour ;) | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Operations Guide edits from O'Reilly, master and feature/edits branches (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 14:21 | |
| annegentle | So we have a new branch of the openstack/operations-guide repo | 14:21 |
| annegentle | it's called feature/edits | 14:21 |
| AJaeger | is it pushed to github? | 14:21 |
| annegentle | We can move anything from master to feature/edits and vice versa | 14:21 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yep | 14:21 |
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| annegentle | O'Reilly sent an annotated PDF of edits for ch 1-7 last night, so we'll be updating master with those, and then I'll port to feature/edits | 14:22 |
| AJaeger | Ah, found it! | 14:22 |
| annegentle | Mostly it's for consistency - like getting the two architectures more parallel, tables, etc | 14:22 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah I need to find the instructions for porting back and forth so I'm ready to try some! | 14:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: that was quick | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i could use some instructions too | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah they're minor really, it's not a technical edit but a consistency edit | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | me and git... little rocky. | 14:23 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, it'S in the wiki - but I can sent you my scripts for backports as well... | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: AJaeger: tell me if this makes sense, but I think just one person should do the back and forth? | 14:23 |
| gpocentek | annegentle: how does it work, O'reilly makes edits on feature/edits themselves, or should the doc team do the modifications? | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: heh me too | 14:23 |
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| annegentle | gpocentek: we wanted O'Reilly to make edits on feature/edits themselves, but he apologetically sent an annotated PDF :) | 14:24 |
| gpocentek | ok :) | 14:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: if one person handles the back-and-forth, can multiple hand the edits? | 14:24 |
| AJaeger | Yeah, best if one person does it. | 14:24 |
| annegentle | gpocentek: and I might go ahead with your abandoned edits since it seems like we still have time to get stuff over | 14:24 |
| gpocentek | annegentle: does it makes sense to merge the beginning of a patch I made then? | 14:24 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | gpocentek: yeah, just what I was thinking! mind reader :) | 14:24 |
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| gpocentek | :) | 14:25 |
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| annegentle | I know the goal is to release in March so it's aggressive and I'd rather distract just me, though, rather than a lot of people... there's enough release doc work to go around. | 14:25 |
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| annegentle | gpocentek: so that was my thinking ^^ was avoiding distractions | 14:26 |
| * annegentle deflects distractions! | 14:26 | |
| annegentle | Any questions on that? | 14:26 |
| annegentle | #topic Proposals for OpenStack Summit due 2/14, Design Summit tracks will be set in April | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposals for OpenStack Summit due 2/14, Design Summit tracks will be set in April (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 14:26 | |
| gpocentek | annegentle: if you need help to apply O'Reilly suggestion I can find some time | 14:26 |
| annegentle | gpocentek: thanks much. | 14:26 |
| annegentle | gpocentek: I just might need to take you up on that :) | 14:27 |
| annegentle | gpocentek: so far so good | 14:27 |
| annegentle | So, the Summit proposals are due this Friday | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | last Summit there were 600 proposals | 14:27 |
| gpocentek | annegentle: ok, feel free to ping me any time | 14:27 |
| annegentle | These proposals are not for the Design Summit where we decided what to work on next release | 14:27 |
| annegentle | Those I'll be asking for about a month ahead of the Summit. | 14:28 |
| annegentle | The Summit is May 12-16 in Atlanta, GA | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | (Yes I realize the US Mother's Day is the Sunday before) | 14:28 |
| nickchase | I feel like I'm juggling 600 proposals right now just from Mirantis. (JK) | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: heh I believe it | 14:28 |
| annegentle | dianefleming and I are proposing one in the Community Building section about the Documentation community and how we operate | 14:28 |
| annegentle | Seems like each Summit I get asked if I proposed one about docs so there it is! | 14:29 |
| loquacities | \o/ | 14:29 |
| nickchase | :) | 14:29 |
| annegentle | Many thanks to dianefleming for the outline. Really she does all the work around here. | 14:29 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, dianefleming: Great! | 14:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | do we just talk about how cool this team is? | 14:29 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: heeh yes | 14:29 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, a group hug ;) | 14:29 |
| dianefleming | ha ha - | 14:29 |
| dianefleming | yeah right!!!! :) | 14:29 |
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| annegentle | talks about our meetings, book sprints, what works well, what's difficult | 14:30 |
| chandan_kumar | happy hug day to all the team mates :) | 14:30 |
| annegentle | All of it! | 14:30 |
| annegentle | chandan_kumar: :) | 14:31 |
| annegentle | Ok that's all I've got on the Summit. | 14:31 |
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| annegentle | Well other than to strongly encourage docs team to apply for the Travel Program | 14:32 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Travel_Support_Program | 14:32 |
| dianefleming | @annegentle we should definitely get short bios and pictures of everyone on this team to include in our presentation! | 14:32 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: that's a great idea! | 14:32 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: let's see if it gets accepted :) | 14:33 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: before doing a ton of work. | 14:33 |
| dianefleming | yeah! | 14:34 |
| AJaeger | WE should all vote for it once voting is up ;) | 14:34 |
| annegentle | Although, this preso can be reused a bunch for Write the Docs and Open Help | 14:34 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: :) | 14:34 |
| annegentle | #topic API Docs blueprint updated | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Docs blueprint updated (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 14:34 | |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-os-api-docs | 14:34 |
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| annegentle | so remember how we were gonna move all the <project>-api docs into the <project>/doc location? | 14:35 |
| annegentle | we've updated the blueprint to not do the move this release | 14:35 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: any other details you want to be sure people know? | 14:35 |
| dianefleming | nothing i can think of - just that it's a work in progress, with some of the work happening now and the completion happening in juno | 14:35 |
| dianefleming | but the effort is serving to clean up the API docs in general - it's having a good effect overall (i think) | 14:36 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: yeah sounds right. And YES on the cleanup. | 14:37 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: lots of improvement this release. A LOT. | 14:37 |
| annegentle | Okay any API docs Qs? | 14:37 |
| dianefleming | thanks, and big thanks to AJaeger for all the gating work he did for APIs | 14:37 |
| annegentle | yes | 14:37 |
| annegentle | absolutely AJaeger! | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes... lots of work | 14:38 |
| AJaeger | The gating work showed a lot of problems that dianefleming had to fix ;) | 14:38 |
| AJaeger | So, we kept each other busy - thank! | 14:38 |
| annegentle | always that tension between quality testers and the people making stuff!! | 14:38 |
| dianefleming | ha ha - yes true - but i wouldn't have known about that without the gates | 14:38 |
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| AJaeger | and now I don't see it coming in again... | 14:38 |
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| annegentle | #topic Giveaways: Oxygen licenses are available, Travel Program for Summit, and Write the Docs in Budapest | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Giveaways: Oxygen licenses are available, Travel Program for Summit, and Write the Docs in Budapest (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 14:39 | |
| annegentle | Okay, just want to be sure people know about the stuff you can get! | 14:39 |
| annegentle | I mentioned the Oxygen licenses earlier | 14:39 |
| annegentle | and the Travel Program | 14:39 |
| annegentle | So also wanted to say we have a free registration for Write the Docs. | 14:40 |
| annegentle | #link http://conf.writethedocs.org/eu/2014/index.html | 14:40 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: is that anywhere near you? | 14:40 |
| loquacities | it looks like a great conf | 14:40 |
| annegentle | I sat and watched nearly ALL the videos from the last Write the Docs | 14:40 |
| annegentle | loquacities: yes! Rackspace is a sponsor | 14:40 |
| loquacities | i saw :) | 14:40 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle, depends on your definition of near - for me its too far ;) | 14:41 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah I have those same definitions :) | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | close than we are | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | closer | 14:41 |
| annegentle | Ideally we'll get some passes for the Portland one too | 14:41 |
| annegentle | Jamie Hannaford, a PHP dev on the same team as Diane and I, will be in Hungary | 14:42 |
| annegentle | Ok, want to leave time for install doc talk! | 14:43 |
| annegentle | #topic Installation guide updates for Icehouse | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installation guide updates for Icehouse (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 14:43 | |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: sounds like you've had some good progress! | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | woooo | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, had some meetings with nick and phil | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | primarily trying to work out the networking stuff | 14:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in order to make networking fit best, some other parts of the doc could use some rearrangement | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | i finally have a working installation of icehouse on havana with nova-net | 14:44 |
| nickchase | Yes, Sam-I-Am has doen a great job | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | so far the steps arent too different from havana. however, i would really like to find someone who can explain what really needs to be in the [keystone_authtoken] section of each service config file | 14:45 |
| nickchase | We have a blueprint of the changes we want to make. | 14:45 |
| AJaeger | applause for Sam-I-Am | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems to be magical undocumented goodness | 14:45 |
| loquacities | nice work Sam-I-Am | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | also a few questions about the v3 identity api because keystone now claims v2 is deprecated, but v3 doesnt seem to work. | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | my next step is trying to get neutron/ml2 working on icehouse/ubuntu | 14:46 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I've been bugging dolphm about it | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: thx | 14:46 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: there's no support for v3 in their client as I understand it | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | in addition to fixing networking, i'm trying to un-cruft the install guide | 14:46 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I think they can't deprecate v2 yet | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | the good news is i havent needed to edit a single .ini file yet :) | 14:46 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: whoohoo | 14:47 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: oh I had another thought about swift/keystone | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | the networking party also decided we'd get the install guide done first, then work on the cloud guide and book | 14:48 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I think that people will want that arch in, but it shouldn't need much more than testing for icehouse | 14:48 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: so that hopefully isn't much | 14:48 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: sounds good | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: so swift without any other components? | 14:48 |
| AJaeger | nickchase, do you have a link handy for the blueprint? | 14:48 |
| nickchase | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuideChanges | 14:49 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: swift and keystone only... thing is, you don't get a dashboard without horizon/nova I think | 14:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: how many people do that? | 14:49 |
| nickchase | I want to get the existing structure in there and then will be sending it over the to ML in case people have feedback before we start moving things. | 14:49 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: right now we "add swift" with our install guide | 14:49 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: lots of people, storage is that entry point | 14:49 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: adding swift means that the dash works | 14:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: hmm, i'll have to see where we can fit a "lite" swift chapter | 14:50 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: it's also fine to leave it how it is, as additive | 14:50 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: just don't want it to get lost is all | 14:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | we'll find a place for it... and an arch... somehow. | 14:51 |
| annegentle | any questions about install, networking, storage, anything? | 14:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks pretty quiet :P | 14:52 |
| * AJaeger just read the wiki page - I like where this is going! | 14:53 | |
| annegentle | #topic Docs core, docs team | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs core, docs team (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 14:53 | |
| annegentle | I wanted to follow up on the email I sent to the list about docs core | 14:53 |
| nickchase | Great, thanks AJaeger! | 14:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks a | 14:53 |
| annegentle | wanted to emphasize that we don't have to have a super large core, and core is about reviews more than anything | 14:54 |
| * AJaeger looks forward to more reviewers ;) | 14:54 | |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yes :) | 14:54 |
| * loquacities has been putting more effort into reviews this week | 14:54 | |
| loquacities | i slacked off last month ;) | 14:54 |
| * Sam-I-Am tries to review more... but doesnt necessarily understand everything | 14:54 | |
| annegentle | I also realize I should trim out docs core for those who aren't really reviewers any more | 14:54 |
| annegentle | loquacities: you've been doing great reviews! | 14:54 |
| loquacities | aww, thanks :) | 14:55 |
| loquacities | hopefully they're helpful | 14:55 |
| loquacities | and dianefleming i've been meaning to say sorry for being so nitpicky! | 14:55 |
| annegentle | I still don't really want to go to a ML vote -- I like how infra runs theirs with small growth rate, but that can change for sure! | 14:55 |
| annegentle | And I do appreciate all the input... | 14:55 |
| annegentle | and I probably will change my mind about votes eventually... | 14:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh @ diane reviews | 14:55 |
| AJaeger | loquacities, sure! | 14:55 |
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| dianefleming | nit-picky? ha! you're talking to the queen of the nit-pickers! | 14:55 |
| loquacities | hehe, at least we're on the same page ;) | 14:56 |
| annegentle | LOL | 14:56 |
| loquacities | so to speak :P | 14:56 |
| dianefleming | on the same page with the same red pencil! | 14:56 |
| loquacities | \o/ | 14:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | 'drive-by-diane-ing' - when you have a few +1s and out of nowhere comes a -1 for a period or comma somewhere :P | 14:56 |
| annegentle | hee hee hee so true | 14:56 |
| loquacities | LOL | 14:56 |
| nickchase | HA! | 14:56 |
| AJaeger | I agree, we need active reviewers - and those that are in core and don't want to review anymore, should be asked to either step up or leave... | 14:56 |
| dianefleming | ha ha ha - i'm a little slow to the game, and then i like to crash into things! | 14:57 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | i always fear the -1 | 14:57 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, especially in a paragraph taht you didn't touch at all ;) | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: lol yeah | 14:57 |
| loquacities | ohh, i'm good at those | 14:57 |
| annegentle | also, I took from the 90-day list of reviewers, looking for longer-term knowledge of the docs state | 14:57 |
| loquacities | "I know you didn't edit this bit, but i just noticed this crime against English grammar ..." | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | we lost our other drive-byer... nermina | 14:57 |
| annegentle | so sad to lose nermina! | 14:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | she still lurks | 14:58 |
| loquacities | :'( | 14:58 |
| nickchase | Believe me, nobody misses her more than I do. | 14:58 |
| nickchase | We did hire a new writer | 14:58 |
| annegentle | nickchase: hope you're hiring! | 14:58 |
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| loquacities | fresh blood! | 14:58 |
| annegentle | nickchase: great, let us know if you want any help onboarding/training | 14:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: when is the hazing? | 14:58 |
| nickchase | I'm shanghia -- I mean introducing her to docs tomorrow | 14:58 |
| loquacities | lol | 14:58 |
| nickchase | :) | 14:59 |
| annegentle | heehee | 14:59 |
| AJaeger | nickchase, great! | 14:59 |
| annegentle | Okay onward! | 14:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | "we shall -1 your patches for tiny things for a month" | 14:59 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:59 |
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| annegentle | well for one minute :) | 14:59 |
| loquacities | better make it quick ... | 14:59 |
| annegentle | hee | 14:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | still having a blast working with y'all | 14:59 |
| loquacities | +1 | 14:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | keeps me sane | 14:59 |
| annegentle | We are working towards developer.openstack.org, where SDKs will live | 14:59 |
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| annegentle | so stay tuned for more user-dev oriented work | 15:00 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: awesome! | 15:00 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: your energy has been great! | 15:00 |
| loquacities | yes, indeed :) | 15:00 |
| nickchase | we just have to forbid him from working weekends. :) | 15:00 |
| annegentle | ok better give up the meeting room, thanks all! | 15:00 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| nickchase | bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 12 15:00:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-02-12-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: i managed last weekend! | 15:00 |
| loquacities | thanks annegentle | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-02-12-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-02-12-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| * loquacities wanders off to bed | 15:01 | |
| Swami | hi | 15:01 |
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| nickchase | Sam-I-Am; good! | 15:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: i was bored, but did not openstack :P | 15:01 |
| annegentle | gnite loquacities! | 15:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | night loq | 15:01 |
| loquacities | o/ | 15:01 |
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| Swami | ping carl | 15:01 |
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| Swami | ping safchain | 15:01 |
| Swami | ping jamie | 15:01 |
| ajo | hi :) | 15:02 |
| Swami | ping carl | 15:02 |
| ajo | DVR meeting? | 15:02 |
| jamiec_ | hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | Yes this is the DVR meeting | 15:02 |
| Swami | jamiec_: Nice to see you after a long time | 15:02 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 12 15:02:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:03 |
| jamiec_ | yes, sorry couldn't get on earlier | 15:03 |
| Swami | jamiec_: its ok, if you joined the meeting at the right time. | 15:03 |
| Swami | ping safchain | 15:03 |
| Swami | ping Robin wong | 15:03 |
| ajo | ping amuller | 15:04 |
| amuller | Swami: I wasn't able to write up my VRRP A/A idea in time, but I was hoping to present it concisely just so people are aware of it when considering DVR | 15:04 |
| Swami | amuller: Hi | 15:04 |
| Swami | amuller: are you going to present today in this meeting. | 15:04 |
| amuller | yes | 15:04 |
| Swami | is it different than the safchain vrrp idea | 15:05 |
| amuller | It's an extension / a second blueprint depending on safchain's blueprint | 15:05 |
| amuller | it relies on his bp | 15:05 |
| Swami | what I am asking is, for the DVR is it different than the safchain blueprint that uses the vrrp | 15:06 |
| amuller | It's different but the ideas are related | 15:06 |
| amuller | And they can solve the same issues | 15:06 |
| amuller | So it's worth considering I think | 15:06 |
| Swami | ok, let me tell you one thing. We have a meeting tomorrow and this would be the dry run to discuss what we are going to present in that meeting to the global audience | 15:07 |
| amuller | Right | 15:07 |
| amuller | I understand I'm coming in late | 15:07 |
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| Swami | Yes you are too late. | 15:07 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 15:07 |
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| Swami | But what I would suggest is, send us a copy of your blueprint and we can take a look at it. Next week we can have a discussion and see what are the pros and cons and then evaluate. | 15:08 |
| Swami | hemanthravi: hi. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | #agenda F2f dry run and update on the blueprint changes. | 15:08 |
| amuller | Swami: I'll do that | 15:09 |
| Swami | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iXMAyVMf42FTahExmGdYNGOBFyeA4e74sAO3pvr_RjA/edit | 15:09 |
| Swami | Hi folks I would like to go over the blueprint changes with you folks, the link to the document is pasted above. | 15:09 |
| hemanthravi | swami: added some comments to the doc last night, some of them might be due lack of info on my par | 15:10 |
| hemanthravi | t | 15:10 |
| Swami | amuller: yes thanks, that would help. I don't want to de-rail our efforts at this time. | 15:10 |
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| Swami | hemanthravi: I will take a look at your comments and then probably answer your comments. | 15:12 |
| Swami | Ok let me discuss the high level changes that had happend in our blueprint. | 15:12 |
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| Swami | #info Blueprint change | 15:12 |
| Swami | We have split the routing, floating and SNAT. | 15:13 |
| Swami | The routing functionality will be distributed across the compute Nodes and each router will run in its own namespace in the compute node. | 15:13 |
| Swami | The SNAT functionality for external connectivity will be centralized and be part of the Service Node or the Legacy Network Node. | 15:14 |
| jamiec_ | Swami: just the SNAT? floating still on the compute? | 15:15 |
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| Swami | The reason we wanted to split the SNAT functionality and make it centralized is to get rid of the "IP Address consumption" in each and every node for the SNAT and also to provision the singleton services such as "VPN router" in the Service node or Legacy Network node. | 15:16 |
| Swami | jamiec_: Is I am coming there, let me finish the SNAT part. | 15:16 |
| jamiec_ | ok | 15:16 |
| Swami | For FloatingIP we are providing Floating IP at the Compute Node Level, but the FloatingIP will be allocated and provisioned in its own namespace. Each compute node will have "a" flaotingIP namespace that will be shared by all tenants. | 15:17 |
| Swami | So by splitting the "SNAT", floatingiP and routers we are now able to provide "East-West routing" and "North-South" routing without affecting any of our services. | 15:19 |
| Swami | ping safchain | 15:19 |
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| safchain | Swami, Hi, sorry to be late | 15:19 |
| Swami | safchain: it is ok. | 15:19 |
| Swami | I was just briefing the change that we did to our blueprint to logically merge with your ideas on splitting the Floatingip and SNAT from the router. | 15:20 |
| Swami | safchain: I am not sure if you had a chance to look at the changes that I did to the doc. | 15:21 |
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| safchain | Swami, yes I did | 15:21 |
| hemanthravi | swami: in the current network-node impl, don't snat and floating-ip use the same addr? | 15:21 |
| hemanthravi | in the non dvr case | 15:21 |
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| Swami | hemanthravi: Yes, but in our model, the SNAT will consume one IP Address and the Floating IP, where ever it is enabled will be consuming an IP address from the external pool. | 15:22 |
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| Swami | In the doc that I updated, you can see there are couple of "Admin" level API changes that we have proposed, and that is purely for legacy L3 migration. | 15:23 |
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| Swami | jamiec_: did I answer your question. | 15:24 |
| safchain | Swami, yes only small changes, which is a good thing | 15:24 |
| jamiec_ | Swami: yes, thank you - clear now | 15:24 |
| jamiec_ | makes sense | 15:24 |
| Swami | safchain: We might have to sync up on the "Arp" proxy implementation. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | Currently we are not dependent on the OVS arp proxy implementation, but we are preventing arp, and populating arp table from our agent. But if we all wanted to use the "ovs" arp proxy with the ml2-pop we can use it. | 15:26 |
| safchain | Swami, edouard did lot of work around that, arp responder on ovs and work on an ebtables wrapper | 15:27 |
| safchain | Swami, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49227/ ARP responder on OVS for l2 pop | 15:28 |
| Swami | safchain: Thanks I might have to sync up the edouard on the timeline and delivery for the arp responder on ovs, | 15:28 |
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| Swami | safchain: For tomorrow's meeting I would like to have the agenda as a follow up from the "Hong Kong" summit. | 15:29 |
| safchain | Swami, not sure to be able to attend tomorrow, i'll try | 15:30 |
| Swami | I would like to present it, saying that we presented a DVR blueprint for the Icehouse summit with just "East-West", community wanted to address "North-South" as well and aslo don't like the kernel module solution. | 15:31 |
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| Swami | So we went back and safchain: had a norht-south solution and we had a east-west solution and we came up with this solution that addresses both north-south and east-west. | 15:31 |
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| Swami | safchain: If you could not make it, I will make sure that I will also bring up your doc for discussion with the audience. | 15:32 |
| safchain | Swami, ok thx | 15:33 |
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| Swami | #info Tomorrow for the F2F there will be a change in the Conference Room, since more people are attending I booked a bigger room. This room will be "Building 20" Palo Alto HP Office. I will send out the details and directions. | 15:34 |
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| Swami | Also the other information about the doc update, we would be using just a single agent which will be a superset and based on the config option the agent will behave either distributed router agent, floatingip agent or the default SNAT agent aka legacy L3 agent. | 15:36 |
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| Swami | In the model that has been proposed, services such as "LBaaS" will not have any issue. FWaaS should be implemented in all compute Node routers, since we are doing East-West. This will not be a problem since we are using the same L3 agent and if required we can make changes to fix any issues. | 15:37 |
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| Swami | I might have a question for the community to address the "VPN service". There should be a way to identify that specific router so that we can deploy that router in the "Service node/legacy network node". | 15:39 |
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| Swami | #action After this meeting if you have any questions please feel free to add your comments to the google doc and I will try to answer the questions. | 15:40 |
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| Swami | #acton amuller: Please share your doc with us next week so that we can have a discussion on your suggestion. | 15:41 |
| Swami | #action amuller: Please share your doc with us next week so that we can have a discussion on your suggestion. | 15:41 |
| amuller | Absolutely :) | 15:41 |
| Swami | I have a hard stop at 7.45, so if you have any other questions please let me know. | 15:41 |
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| ajo | I have a question | 15:42 |
| ajo | should I ask here, or in the doc itself? | 15:42 |
| Swami | I have very little time here, but go ahead and ask the queston if I cannot answer here I will address it in the document. | 15:43 |
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| ajo | ok | 15:43 |
| ajo | I'll write it on the document itself | 15:44 |
| Swami | ok | 15:44 |
| ajo | I actually need time to make the question :) | 15:44 |
| ajo | thanks Swami | 15:44 |
| Swami | thanks guys for taking your time. | 15:44 |
| jamiec_ | thank you Swami | 15:44 |
| Swami | see you all next week. | 15:44 |
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| safchain | thanks Swami | 15:45 |
| Swami | bye all | 15:45 |
| amuller | Buhbye | 15:45 |
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| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 12 15:45:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-12-15.02.html | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-12-15.02.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-12-15.02.log.html | 15:45 |
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| trinaths | Hello stackers.. ! Good Morning | 15:53 |
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| mestery | Hi fellow ML2 coders! | 16:00 |
| asadoughi | hi | 16:00 |
| zzelle | Hi ! | 16:00 |
| trinaths | Hi Mestery | 16:00 |
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| banix | Hi | 16:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 16:00 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:00 |
| jgallard | hi | 16:00 |
| irenab | hi | 16:00 |
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| mestery | rkukura: here? | 16:00 |
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| mestery | hey rkukura | 16:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:01 |
| yamamoto2 | hi | 16:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| trinaths | hi rkukura | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 12 16:01:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
| shivharis | hi all | 16:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 16:01 |
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| mestery | We have a very packed agenda today, lets see how far we can make it in an hour. :) | 16:01 |
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| mestery | #topic Action Item Review | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | I just updated agenda with my AI details, so please refresh if you've got it open | 16:02 |
| mestery | Thanks to rkukura for sending email the binding changes. | 16:02 |
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| yamamoto2 | can anyone fix ical feed? it told me this meeting was 2h earlier. | 16:02 |
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| mestery | yamamoto2: I don't know how that works, maybe asking on #openstack-infra would be a good idea. | 16:02 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks for driving the discussion around the binding changes, that was pretty awesome! | 16:02 |
| rkukura | I think there is at least one email on the thread that I haven't replied to yet | 16:03 |
| mestery | Yes | 16:03 |
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| mestery | But overall, I think folks are all on the same page now it apepars. | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | Are there any reservations regarding moving forward on this in the next couple days? | 16:03 |
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| yamamoto2 | mestery: ok, thanks | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | I've been focusing on my two BPs plus the SR-IOV work, but should start implementing the binding changes this week | 16:04 |
| mestery | rkukura: I'll give you an AI to move the discussion into a Google Doc, is that ok? | 16:04 |
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| mestery | Or is that not necessary? | 16:04 |
| rkukura | mestery: Fine, same as this week's AI | 16:04 |
| rkukura | I think a doc makes sense for this. | 16:05 |
| mestery | #action rkukura to move port binding discussion into Google Doc | 16:05 |
| * mestery nods in agreement. | 16:05 | |
| mestery | Any questions on the port binding discussions>? | 16:05 |
| matrohon | no, rkukura, did you talk about my post that you didn't respond? | 16:05 |
| matrohon | yet? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | matrohon: I mentioned that I still need to respond. Sorry for the delay. | 16:06 |
| matrohon | rkukura : fine, np :) | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Will think about that race condition and respond | 16:07 |
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| mestery | Next AI review: prioritizing ML2 MechanismDriver BPs. | 16:07 |
| mestery | So, the feature freeze is this coming Teusday I believe. | 16:08 |
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| mestery | People need to propose their MDs by then to have a shot of getting them into Icehouse. | 16:08 |
| mestery | And the 3rd party testing requirement must be met as well. | 16:08 |
| rkukura | I haven't changed any priorities, but I summarize status of the 12 MD BPs in the agenda. | 16:08 |
| mestery | Thanks rkukura. | 16:08 |
| rkukura | I'd like to discuss the ones that have question marks at this meeting if we can. | 16:08 |
| rkukura | Now or later in the agenda? | 16:09 |
| mestery | Please do! | 16:09 |
| mestery | Lets do it now. | 16:09 |
| asadoughi | mestery: 2/18 is a code deadline, not a bp deadline, right? | 16:09 |
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| rkukura | First, there are two from bigswitch | 16:09 |
| amotoki_ | asadoughi: right. precisely speaking the feature freeze is I-3. Next tuesday is the deadline to propose the code of blueprints. | 16:09 |
| mestery | I think 2/18 is feature freeze: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 16:09 |
| rkukura | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/bsn-ml2-mechanism-driver - medium, approved, no review, no jenkins? | 16:09 |
| trinaths | regarding FSL-SDN Mechanism Driver BP, I'm working on 3rd party test setup. sent a mail to opestack-infra on gerrit account.. waiting for reply. Done with code improvements. need to commit the code for review. | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | mestry - we are working on making some enhancements to Arista MD. next week's deadline does not apply to that, right? | 16:10 |
| rkukura | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/bigswitch-ml2-driver - low, approved, in review, no jenkins?, relationship to bsn-ml2-mechanism-driver? | 16:10 |
| asadoughi | mestery: no i think it's what amotoki_ said | 16:10 |
| trinaths | iIs netwt week dead line applicable for our MD.. FSL-SDN | 16:10 |
| trinaths | ?? | 16:10 |
| mestery | asadoughi: You are correct, it's feature proposal freeze. If you haven't pushed code for your BP by 2-18, it won't be considered for Icehouse. | 16:10 |
| rkukura | Both of these are approved and have reviews linked. Are these two different drivers? And is a jenkins job in the works? | 16:11 |
| mestery | trinaths: Yes | 16:11 |
| mestery | trinaths: You need to have pushed code by next Tuesday, it doesn't have to be complete. | 16:11 |
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| trinaths | mestery: I have the code in place for review | 16:11 |
| mestery | trinaths: OK, if it's pushed out, you are ok for FPP on 2-18. | 16:12 |
| trinaths | all the CI's give +1, but jenkins gives -1 | 16:12 |
| trinaths | so woking on code improvements and 3rd party test setup | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | Sounds like we've covered: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fsl-sdn-os-mech-driver - low, approved, in review, no jenkins? | 16:12 |
| mestery | OK, thanks trinaths. | 16:13 |
| rkukura | Its at low, so should be bumped to medium as soon as the jenkins job is in place | 16:13 |
| trinaths | yes rkukura.. I have submitted the code for review and improving the same' | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | Anyone from BigSwitch here? | 16:13 |
| trinaths | does Jenkins job mean our 3rd party test setup | 16:13 |
| rkukura | trinaths: yes | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: can you answer my question, please? | 16:14 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Sorry, missed your question due to mispelling my name :P | 16:14 |
| mestery | So, any code which has a shot at Icehouse needs to be proposed by 2-18. | 16:14 |
| mestery | In some form. | 16:14 |
| mestery | Even WIP. | 16:14 |
| shivharis | sukhdev: it is new code, so the deadline does not apply to you | 16:14 |
| mestery | If it's not proposed by 2-18, it won't make Icehouse is my understanding. | 16:14 |
| trinaths | since I have jenkins job in pending state, can my driver cross the 218 deadline?? | 16:14 |
| mestery | Bug fixes are ok I guess poast that right? | 16:15 |
| rcurran | even code being pushed up labeled as bugs | 16:15 |
| mestery | bugs are ok past that, sorry for the confusion :) | 16:15 |
| rkukura | bug fixes are OK past this deadline | 16:15 |
| mestery | I meant BP code. | 16:15 |
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| * mestery drinks some more coffee. | 16:15 | |
| trinaths | since I have jenkins job in pending state, can my driver cross the 2-18 deadline?? | 16:16 |
| shivharis | mestery: well put. it is BP code. | 16:16 |
| mestery | Thanks shivharis. | 16:17 |
| rkukura | trinaths: I think you are OK with 2/18 since you have code in review. Just need the jenkins job. | 16:17 |
| trinaths | okay rkukura.. thank you | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: so, to be clear - since we are making enhancements to older code, this dead line is not applicable to us. We can submit a bug and code at a later date, right? | 16:17 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: If it's a bug, it's ok past 2-18. | 16:18 |
| mestery | rkukura: Regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-opendaylight-mechanism-driver | 16:18 |
| mestery | Code is proposed, waiting on Linux Foundation for 3rdp arty testing. | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: The challenge will be to get core reviewers to pay attention later in the cycle | 16:18 |
| mestery | Hopefully next week we get that up and running. | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: thanks for clarification | 16:18 |
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| mestery | Any other updates for the remaining MDs with question marks? | 16:19 |
| rkukura | Do all the cisco MDs get tested by the current cisco jenkins job? | 16:19 |
| HenryG | rkukura: that will be the case soon | 16:20 |
| rkukura | HenryG: OK, thanks | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Anyone know if there are BigSwitch and/or Huawei jenkins jobs in the works? | 16:20 |
| trinaths | I have seen Bigswitch CI | 16:21 |
| amotoki_ | as far as I looked so far, it seems big switch CI works | 16:21 |
| trinaths | testing my code | 16:21 |
| sadasu | regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ucs-manager-mechanism-driver - medium, approved, no review, have jenkins? | 16:22 |
| sadasu | will have code shortly..before 2/18...jenkins before march 6th | 16:22 |
| sadasu | have dependency on 3 other BPs | 16:22 |
| rkukura | I see it on some reviews, so I guess its OK. Seems to be missing from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72452/ | 16:22 |
| rkukura | ok | 16:23 |
| rkukura | I think we've covered everything we can | 16:23 |
| rkukura | thanks! | 16:23 |
| mestery | thanks rkukura! | 16:23 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 Exceptions to UserSpace | 16:24 |
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| mestery | This is in reference to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273730 | 16:24 |
| mestery | There was some pushback in the review, I think it's worth discussing this here, right rkukura? | 16:24 |
| rkukura | sure | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | OK, hadn't seen latest comments | 16:26 |
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| mestery | So, it appears armax was recommending pushing this to Juno, the author of the patch appears to have agreed. | 16:26 |
| rkukura | I kind of like the idea of storing exceptions in port attributes | 16:26 |
| shivharis | the push back seem cosmetic at this stage. | 16:26 |
| shivharis | format of the error message (of course collecting all messages was taken care of by paul ward) | 16:27 |
| mestery | shivharis: I think comments from armax appear to indicate this should be refactored, right? | 16:27 |
| rkukura | I think it can be argued that normal users should not see details that expose the internal implementation choices of the cloud | 16:27 |
| rcurran | shivharis, armando's comment was interesting and ... what mestery said | 16:28 |
| mestery | Yes, I agree with what rkukura and armax say there. | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | Are we currently logging the detailed exception? | 16:28 |
| rkukura | If so, the admin can track it down if necessary. | 16:28 |
| rcurran | you'd need to look at all md's to get that answer | 16:28 |
| amotoki_ | rkukura: the detail is logged. https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/managers.py#L159 | 16:29 |
| rkukura | Shouldn't the MechanismManager be logging the caught exception, then raising the generic one? | 16:29 |
| shivharis | mestery: i just read that comment. | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | amotoki_: thanks | 16:30 |
| banix | Somewhat related; not essential but something we need to have at some point: Deals with fails in update-*-postcommit ops https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69792/ | 16:30 |
| rcurran | note that the managers.py LOG doesn't give you any real depth of what the md exception was | 16:30 |
| rkukura | rcurran: Doesn't LOG.exception( | 16:31 |
| rkukura | _("Mechanism driver '%(name)s' failed in %(method)s"), | 16:31 |
| rkukura | {'name': driver.name, 'method': method_name} | 16:31 |
| rkukura | ) give enough depth? | 16:31 |
| rcurran | doesn't that just give you the method name that caught the excep | 16:32 |
| rcurran | what if there are multi exception types on one method | 16:32 |
| rkukura | I thought LOG.exception logged the actual exception, but could be wrong | 16:32 |
| shivharis | we seem to all agree that err messaging needs to be enhanced, but it should not hold other things up. | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | I do like the proposal to but the detailed error info in an admin-only port attribute | 16:33 |
| amotoki_ | hopefully adding the arguments of the method to log messages will help admin to debug. | 16:33 |
| rkukura | amotoki_: Do you mean like everything in the PortContext? | 16:34 |
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| amotoki_ | what i mean is adding these infomration to the log message for MD exception. | 16:34 |
| amotoki_ | At now i cannot say it applies to all PortContext. | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | Should we move this discussion back to the jenkins review, and try to agree on what's needed for icehouse vs. longer term? | 16:36 |
| mestery | I think so. | 16:36 |
| * HenryG agrees | 16:37 | |
| amotoki_ | agree | 16:37 |
| mestery | OK, moving on in the agenda. | 16:37 |
| rcurran | yeah, i think most engs are leaning towards the longer term approach | 16:37 |
| * mestery agrees with rcurran. | 16:37 | |
| mestery | #topic BPs | 16:37 |
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| mestery | First up: Provider network partial specs: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Provider-network-partial-specs | 16:37 |
| mestery | Addressed by review https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Provider-network-partial-specs | 16:37 |
| mestery | Is zzelle here? | 16:38 |
| zzelle | yes, here i am ! | 16:38 |
| mestery | zzelle: Hey, howdy! | 16:38 |
| zzelle | fine | 16:38 |
| mestery | So, can you walk us through the high level thinking here? | 16:38 |
| zzelle | currently, you have tenant network, neutron is in charge of network attributes choice | 16:39 |
| rkukura | mestery: Do you have the link to the actual review? | 16:39 |
| mestery | rkukura: Sorry, yes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71904/ | 16:39 |
| zzelle | you have provider netowkr, neutron admins are in charge of attributes choice | 16:40 |
| zzelle | the aim is to allow to delegate some provider network attributes choice to neutron (when possible) | 16:40 |
| zzelle | typically, you need a vlan network, you do neutron net-create myvlannet --provider:network_type=vlan | 16:41 |
| zzelle | and neutron tries to find in a pool a valid network | 16:41 |
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| zzelle | IMHO, the feature could used when deploying networks for baremetal/appliances | 16:42 |
| matrohon | you want to add a provider pool? | 16:43 |
| mestery | So, the idea is to not require provider:physical_network and provider:segmentation_id when creating provider networks? | 16:43 |
| mestery | And use the normal tenant pool or some new pool as matrohon says? | 16:43 |
| zzelle | matrohon, currently in the review i reuse tenant pools | 16:43 |
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| zzelle | but salv proposes to use a specific one, but it implies to change the datamodel | 16:44 |
| rkukura | This kind of touches on an area from the original ML2 proposal that has not (yet) been implemented. The tenant_network_types config is a list, with the intention that TypeDrivers are tried until one can allocate the network. We eventually wanted some generic QoS requirements that users could specify that would influence which TypeDriver was chosen. Basically TypeDrivers would ignore the request if they couldn't | 16:44 |
| rkukura | provide the QoS. | 16:44 |
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| zzelle | so my proposal was first to reuse tenant pools, and after allow to specify a provider (only) one | 16:45 |
| shivharis | Idea has definite merit, beginning to think this should be post I3. | 16:46 |
| zzelle | rkukura, good to know, the aim of this feature is more pragmatic | 16:46 |
| zzelle | i only provide the support for vlan networks because i don't see usecase for other network types | 16:47 |
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| zzelle | but supporting other network types is quite simple | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Is this still admin-only, or would the policy.json have to allow normal users to specify the providernet attrbutes? | 16:47 |
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| matrohon | +1 for post-I3 with independent pool, to have something clearer in the conf files | 16:48 |
| zzelle | still admin-only because it concerns provider networks | 16:48 |
| zzelle | in practice, the feature is implemented through an alternative vlan type driver implementation | 16:49 |
| mestery | So, is the consensus for this we need the separate pool, which would push this to Juno then? | 16:50 |
| rkukura | I'm kind of favoring using the existing TypeDrivers and pools, but just making provider network allocation able to use the pool to fill in the unspecified details (vlan) | 16:50 |
| rkukura | To me, this is a relaxation of the current provider network restriction, not a new tenant network | 16:51 |
| amotoki_ | I think so. | 16:51 |
| rkukura | Plus, the reservation of the VLAN tag on a physical_network for this has to make that tag unavailable for normal tenant network allocation | 16:51 |
| amotoki_ | i think reusing tenant pools is still useful. For example admin can create a net only with network_type (and phys_net). | 16:51 |
| mestery | OK, so maybe we approve this one for Icehouse then as-is? Is that what I'm hearing? | 16:52 |
| mestery | The use case is compelling I think. | 16:52 |
| zzelle | fine :) | 16:53 |
| rkukura | Maybe a config option for VlanTypeDriver is all that's needed - it would just use the pool when provider:network_type is specified but the other data isn't specified. | 16:53 |
| zzelle | do i provide the support only for vlans ? | 16:53 |
| mestery | zzelle: That makes sense to me. | 16:53 |
| mestery | OK, we only have 7 minutes left now. | 16:54 |
| zzelle | or does it makes sense to provide for others network types ? for testing ? | 16:54 |
| matrohon | vxlan ang gre would be nice toot | 16:54 |
| mestery | Lets continue this discussion on the review and ML. | 16:54 |
| zzelle | s/provide/porivde it/ | 16:54 |
| rkukura | I don't see a lot of use for provider tunnels as long as the neutron server is doing the endpoint management | 16:54 |
| shivharis | rkukura: are you still suggesting using the existing type driver and folding this functionality in it? | 16:54 |
| mestery | I wanted to give matrohon 5 minutes or so for his agenda item (we'll have to skip a few other items). | 16:54 |
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| matrohon | fine | 16:54 |
| rkukura | rkukura: That's what I'd prefer. I'll comment in the review. | 16:55 |
| mestery | #topic Multi-Node Testing | 16:55 |
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| mestery | With 5 minutes left, I give the floor to matrohon. | 16:55 |
| rkukura | s/rkukura/shivharis/ | 16:55 |
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| matrohon | so we would like to enable mutli-node in the gate | 16:55 |
| matrohon | to improve test on ovs/lb/l2-pop MD | 16:56 |
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| mestery | Makes sense to me matrohon | 16:56 |
| rkukura | matrohon: +1 | 16:56 |
| matrohon | jgallard, doude and I are working on a gate to manage multi-node with lxc | 16:57 |
| mestery | matrohon: Sounds very interesting! | 16:57 |
| amotoki_ | nice | 16:57 |
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| matrohon | but we should first write a BP in openstack-infra | 16:57 |
| matrohon | we need your help to have infra team focusing on this issue | 16:58 |
| matrohon | this would be needed for live-migration test too | 16:58 |
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| mestery | matrohon: Agreed. | 16:59 |
| mestery | So, I would suggest filing the BP and bringing it up at the infra meeting this week (or next if it's already happened this week). | 16:59 |
| mestery | But this is a good thing to have, so thanks for taking this on! | 16:59 |
| matrohon | ok I tak ethe AI | 16:59 |
| HenryG | matrohon: the nodes themselves are lxc? Or the instances in the nodes? | 17:00 |
| amotoki_ | I am not sure which is better infra or QA. | 17:00 |
| mestery | #action matrohon to file BP for multi-node testing and bring this up in the infra meeting | 17:00 |
| mestery | And with that, we're out of time folks. | 17:00 |
| asadoughi | quick ovs-firewall-driver update: moving bp to juno since dependent ovs release won't be released until march https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ovs-firewall-driver | 17:00 |
| ekarlso | mestery: indeed :p | 17:00 |
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| mestery | Thanks for all your efforts on ML2 everyone! | 17:00 |
| mestery | Thanks asadoughi, apologies we ran out of time. :) | 17:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 12 17:00:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-12-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-12-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-12-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| shivharis | bye | 17:01 |
| kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 12 17:01:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| ekarlso | ey dns folks | 17:01 |
| kiall | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 17:01 |
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| kiall | Wow - IRC lagged like 30 seconds :/ | 17:01 |
| eankutse | eankutse | 17:02 |
| kiall | Who's about today? | 17:02 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:02 |
| kiall | brb - reconnecting! | 17:02 |
| eankutse | k | 17:02 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:02 |
| richm | hello | 17:02 |
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| kiall | Okay - back :) | 17:03 |
| kiall | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:03 |
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| kiall | First up is: vinod update the Getting Involved Section in the documentation for suggested lines of code / commit | 17:03 |
| eankutse | vinod stepped away for 1 sec | 17:04 |
| kiall | I saw from the meeting logs last week that 350 was discussed, seems sane and along the times of what we discussed at the mini-summit.. | 17:04 |
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| kiall | Ah.. Well, No worries.. Moving on | 17:04 |
| kiall | Next: (all) review/add new blueprints as needed to track smaller work items | 17:04 |
| kiall | I've personally not had a chance to break up any of the blueprints, has anyone else? | 17:05 |
| eankutse | i have not added any blueprints ;-) | 17:05 |
| mugsie | not yet, i have a dreakdown in my head though | 17:05 |
| kiall | I know ekarlso has filed a sub-BP for the pagination stuffs (to be discussed in a few mins) | 17:05 |
| kiall | Okay - Well, Let leave that for next week again | 17:05 |
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| kiall | #action (all) review/add new blueprints as needed to track smaller work items | 17:06 |
| mugsie | proably should be a standing item for a while | 17:06 |
| kiall | mugsie: agreed | 17:06 |
| eankutse | yep | 17:06 |
| kiall | Next: Betsy and Rich to followup on incubation status wrt v2 and mini-dns | 17:06 |
| betsy | I talked with Anne Gentle yesterday | 17:06 |
| kiall | (agenda is pretty full today, hence working fast.. Tell me to slow down if needed ;)) | 17:06 |
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| betsy | I'm in the process of writing up an email about it now | 17:07 |
| betsy | Should go out later today | 17:07 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:07 |
| kiall | I talked with Monty, He's of the opinion that we reapply.. That V2 being in progress won't hurt us, and that MiniDNS is "The only sane way to do it" (or something along those lines) | 17:07 |
| richm | I spoke to Mark (RH TC) - he says that minidns and v2 should not have an impact on incubation, and that in general designate looks good | 17:07 |
| kiall | Quick aside - Alex Barclay from HP, our dev manager, has been asked to start looking into designate incubation. | 17:08 |
| kiall | Okay.. Moving on again real quick :)\ | 17:08 |
| kiall | Next: Rich to document the minidns concerns on the wiki spec | 17:08 |
| betsy | Anne pretty much felt the same way | 17:08 |
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| betsy | She did mention that there are already 4 projects ahead of us that have applied for incubation | 17:09 |
| kiall | I'm not sure if ^ got worked out in the post-meeting discussions or not, richm? | 17:09 |
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| richm | kiall: yeah, I still need to do some more homework before I can make intelligent comments about minidns with respect to ipa integration | 17:09 |
| kiall | betsy: humm - I know theres a "limit" per-cycle .. Let's leave that for next week though, I think we have too full an agenda to get into it today :) | 17:09 |
| betsy | ok | 17:09 |
| richm | but that should not hold up minidns design/progress | 17:10 |
| kiall | #action kiall to review current incubation applications and new "limits" on # per cycle | 17:10 |
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| kiall | richm: K - Thanks :) | 17:10 |
| kiall | #topic API v2 Pagination | 17:10 |
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| ekarlso | link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/api-v2-pagination | 17:10 |
| ekarlso | or how to do that ;) | 17:10 |
| kiall | Okay - So, we discussed this to death before, but ekarlso is about to start work on it.. I just wanted to confirm everyone is happy with the proposed method of making this happen (marker/limit vs page/per_page) | 17:11 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:11 |
| kiall | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/storage-pagination-support | 17:11 |
| ekarlso | there ya go | 17:11 |
| kiall | ^ the first "Sub Blueprint" for the storage part, it's not a full spec - since it's already defined in the APIv2 spec | 17:11 |
| eankutse | looks like marker/limit is the practice so far in Openstack | 17:12 |
| richm | I'm all for code sharing/reuse | 17:12 |
| kiall | Yea - I asked ekarlso to review all the current APIs, the patterns they use are in the parent / main BP | 17:12 |
| kiall | Anyway - Has anyone got any concerns over following this pattern? Otherwise, we can press on with getting the Storage layer updated with this. | 17:13 |
| vinod | none from me | 17:13 |
| richm | +1 | 17:13 |
| betsy | agree | 17:13 |
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| kiall | Okay - I'll mark the sub-BP as approved, and we'll get it started : | 17:14 |
| ekarlso | ok! | 17:14 |
| kiall | #topic Review abstract proposals for Openstack Summit in Atlanta | 17:14 |
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| ekarlso | see ya folks for today ;) | 17:14 |
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| kiall | ekarlso: hope your not late to pick her up ;) Enjoy! | 17:15 |
| kiall | So - I've not written an abstract for the talk I was supposed to (sorry!) a mix of time constraints, and I'm not confident there's enough content to have a whole talk on it. | 17:16 |
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| kiall | I know Tim and Graham have both written abstracts, do you guys have links handy? | 17:16 |
| kiall | I believe this is tims: https://docs.google.com/a/managedit.ie/document/d/1xIprT3xEzujFPWJhVGnIKRdsB7gkmpgTgo0DfG3Ml4s/edit | 17:16 |
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| vinod | Abstract for the workshop | 17:17 |
| vinod | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Atlanta/Workshop_1 | 17:17 |
| kiall | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIprT3xEzujFPWJhVGnIKRdsB7gkmpgTgo0DfG3Ml4s/edit?usp=sharing | 17:17 |
| kiall | mugsie: do you have your link handy? | 17:17 |
| mugsie | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D6FcXMiWMvFTIggWiRu3VajVTnerCFDErTdafcSyxl0/edit?usp=sharing | 17:17 |
| mugsie | We start at Tims and work our way donw? | 17:18 |
| mugsie | down* | 17:18 |
| richm | Tim's looks good to me - does it overlap with kiall's or mugsie's? | 17:18 |
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| kiall | richm: mine is non-existant, there's not enough unique content IMHO, and I failed to find enough time to write it. | 17:18 |
| mugsie | a little with mine, but n ot too much | 17:18 |
| vinod | One overlap is about the Nuetron floating IPs | 17:19 |
| mugsie | yeap. i think it is from 2 different view points though | 17:19 |
| kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DesignateAustinWorkshop2014-01 | 17:19 |
| kiall | ^ the original outlines | 17:19 |
| mugsie | kiall: they are on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Atlanta | 17:20 |
| mugsie | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Atlanta | 17:20 |
| kiall | Ah - I missed that page | 17:20 |
| mugsie | so, any changes to tims? | 17:21 |
| kiall | I personally think Both Tim's and Grahams abstracts are good, and that "Talk 3", then one I was supposed to write (sorry :() should have the Mini-DNS / NSUpdate detail piece merged into Grahams | 17:21 |
| richm | Sounds good to me | 17:22 |
| eankutse | Maybe Tim's can be a little more focused | 17:22 |
| betsy | Yeah. I think that works | 17:22 |
| jmcbride | One question about the abstracts, should we put all of our "wood behind one arrow", e.g. pick one talk? | 17:22 |
| eankutse | it looks pretty broad | 17:22 |
| mugsie | i think seen as there is only 2 being submitted, we should be ok | 17:23 |
| betsy | mugsie: agree | 17:23 |
| jmcbride | What about the proposed workshop? | 17:23 |
| jmcbride | 2 talks + workshop = 3 | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | i think that stands on its own merits | 17:23 |
| kiall | Workshop proposal looks perfect :) | 17:23 |
| betsy | I think we should still propose that, as it's in a separate bucket, so to speak | 17:23 |
| kiall | Yea - I absolutely think the WS is a great idea. | 17:24 |
| mugsie | i see tims abstract as an updated version of what kiall gave in Hong Kong | 17:24 |
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| eankutse | mugsie: so you think the breath of it is fine | 17:24 |
| eankutse | ? | 17:24 |
| eankutse | s/breath/breadth | 17:24 |
| mugsie | mine is aimed at operators, and your workshop is aimed at anyone who is interested | 17:24 |
| eankutse | ok | 17:25 |
| mugsie | i think so... | 17:25 |
| eankutse | k | 17:25 |
| mugsie | but I am open to correction | 17:25 |
| eankutse | that sounds good | 17:25 |
| betsy | mugsie: I think you're correct | 17:25 |
| kiall | eankutse: I think so, 1 general "What we do, general arch, general direction" is useful for giving a good overview.. WIth another being aimed more at people already sold on the concept of designate | 17:25 |
| eankutse | kiall: yes | 17:26 |
| richm | yeah, I think Graham's is more in depth in a few topics which would be of primary interest to operators and developers with an interest in DNS | 17:26 |
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| kiall | These are due Friday from memory.. I think we should sync up again tomorrow at 17:00 UTC (same as this meet) for an hour to do any final cleanups, and walk through the submission. | 17:26 |
| mugsie | any changes to the workshop? i think is looks good - what we are trying to get across | 17:27 |
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| kiall | (Not intending to stop the discussion now with ^, just getting it out there) | 17:27 |
| mugsie | well, see if there is any changes people want | 17:27 |
| kiall | 1 other point we discussed was giving the talks jointly between the various companies... Who's still up for that? | 17:27 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:28 |
| jmcbride | +1 | 17:28 |
| richm | I am - looks like I am going | 17:28 |
| kiall | (We need presenter names for the submissions) | 17:28 |
| vinod | #agree | 17:28 |
| jmcbride | We should try to appoint at least 2 people (one from each organization) to run the talks | 17:28 |
| eankutse | Joint presentations will help incubation, I agree | 17:28 |
| eankutse | +1 | 17:29 |
| jmcbride | I would like to participate on talk 1. | 17:29 |
| betsy | +1 | 17:29 |
| kiall | Okay .. So HP/RAX/RH all up for that? Why don't we let Tim and Graham decide on who they want for their talks? And the WS would be a free-for-all, since hands on deck will be useful | 17:29 |
| betsy | kiall: sounds good | 17:29 |
| richm | +1 - I would be happy to do either one | 17:30 |
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| jmcbride | From RAX perspective, we don't have approval yet on who all is attending. So lets plan to put my name on things for now (might change). | 17:31 |
| jmcbride | ^ for all the Rackspace participation that is. | 17:31 |
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| jmcbride | How about this: RedHat + RAX for talk 1 (with a cameo from Kiall) | 17:32 |
| kiall | jmcbride: any idea when you'll find out? | 17:32 |
| jmcbride | kiall: nope | 17:32 |
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| kiall | Ok | 17:32 |
| jmcbride | for talk two, it would be cool to see Mugsie lead it, with backup from ?? | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | i am open to suggestions | 17:33 |
| mugsie | I think you could probably get 3 on talk 1 - its more topics, that can be broken down | 17:33 |
| mugsie | mine splits into 2 i think | 17:33 |
| kiall | jmcbride: Sounds good for Talk 1.. I'd actually like to take a back-seat and let you guys give the meat of the presentations :) | 17:33 |
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| jmcbride | kiall: I think your contributions thus far speak for them selves… Designate is your legacy :) | 17:34 |
| kiall | One of the reasons I'd like all you guys to be main faces of these ;) | 17:34 |
| eankutse | Kiall should do a "live" from-scratch demo :-) | 17:35 |
| mugsie | could I suggest RAX + richm + (short bit of) kiall for Talk 1? | 17:35 |
| jmcbride | It is noble for you to back-seat for a little - I still expect we would reference your prior talks and point accolades where they belong. | 17:35 |
| kiall | eankutse: lol .. happy to. I'll get it right this time :P | 17:35 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:35 |
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| jmcbride | +1 mugsie on could I suggest RAX + richm + (short bit of) kiall for Talk 1? | 17:35 |
| richm | works for me | 17:35 |
| jmcbride | +1 on live demo! | 17:36 |
| kiall | SO .. That'd be tim (assuming approval) / richm with a teeny bit from me on T1? I'm happy with that.. | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | and then me + 1 RAX for talk 2? | 17:36 |
| kiall | Names came be changed later for these BTW.. But better to get a general idea before they are submissted | 17:37 |
| kiall | submitted* | 17:37 |
| jmcbride | mugsie: yes | 17:37 |
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| jmcbride | Is Artom going? | 17:37 |
| kiall | I think he said he wasn't going to be able to.. Not 100% sure. | 17:37 |
| artom | Haha. | 17:37 |
| artom | No. | 17:37 |
| jmcbride | What about Ron? | 17:37 |
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| rjrjr_ | i'm going to try and be there. | 17:37 |
| artom | Unless I pay for my own stuff, I suppose. | 17:37 |
| jmcbride | rjrjrj_: would you like to work with mugsie on talk 2? | 17:38 |
| rjrjr_ | that sounds okay. let me get an okay to go in the next couple of days. | 17:38 |
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| mugsie | cool | 17:39 |
| kiall | Okay .. So lets say, mugsie + rjrjr_ will give T2, failing approval for rjrjr_, mugsie + someone else to be decided later? | 17:39 |
| mugsie | bingo | 17:39 |
| jmcbride | Cool. | 17:39 |
| kiall | artom: too bad :( | 17:39 |
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| richm | Sounds good | 17:39 |
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| jmcbride | artom: :( | 17:40 |
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| kiall | Okay - Let's move on for the moment, and come back tomorrow with the 2 talk proposals tweaked and names on them.. We'll regroup 17:00 UTC tomorrow for an hour to get the final things tweaked and submitted? | 17:40 |
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| kiall | That time work for people/ | 17:40 |
| kiall | ?* | 17:40 |
| rjrjr_ | yes | 17:41 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:41 |
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| jmcbride | yes | 17:41 |
| kiall | (The WS propose looks good as is, and will probably just have a whole pile of names on it..) | 17:41 |
| betsy | perfect | 17:41 |
| kiall | #action Regroup on Talks+WS at 17:00 UTC tomorrow (Thursday) | 17:41 |
| kiall | #topic import-tlds - right place to put it | 17:42 |
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| vinod | Like we talked yesterday 2 of the issues with the current import-tlds in designate is that (1) you need ssh access to the box where central and designate run (2) The user running import-tlds is not logged | 17:42 |
| vinod | we talked about having a bulk api for import-tlds to overcome these 2 issues | 17:42 |
| vinod | Joe mentioned that apart from the bulk api, he wanted the current tool as is for (1) initial population of the tlds when a new Designate system is up. (2) an easy way to import TLDs for people trying out Designate. | 17:42 |
| vinod | Joe do you have any other comments to add on this? | 17:43 |
| kiall | I think we discussed this in #openstack-dns yesterday, where we talked about how designate-manage might be the wrong place (for accountability). And came to the conclusion that we leave it there for now, and replace it once we have bulk API actions (which can be applied to the TLD apis too..) | 17:43 |
| kiall | or .. ^ what he said ;) | 17:43 |
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| kiall | I'm thinking everyone is in agreement on those points already? | 17:44 |
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| hub_cap | kiall: i agree | 17:44 |
| kiall | hub_cap: good for you. | 17:44 |
| kiall | :P | 17:44 |
| hub_cap | :) | 17:44 |
| mugsie | sounds good | 17:44 |
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| kiall | You know you just agreed to being our b*tch for the next cycle? | 17:45 |
| kiall | ;) | 17:45 |
| kiall | vinod / jmcbride ? | 17:45 |
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| cweid | o/ | 17:45 |
| vinod | nothing else from me | 17:45 |
| vinod | checking with Joe | 17:45 |
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| kiall | Okay - Let's assuming it's a "Yes" and come back at the end if it's not :) | 17:46 |
| vinod | Joe agrees too | 17:46 |
| kiall | Getting close on time ;) | 17:46 |
| kiall | #topic API v2 Structured Record Format | 17:46 |
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| jmcbride | hub_cap, Betsy is about to get medieval on yah! | 17:46 |
| kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/APIv2StructuredData | 17:47 |
| hub_cap | jmcbride: :) | 17:47 |
| kiall | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/api-v2-structured-data-format | 17:47 |
| kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71944/ (<-- Very much WIP, started as an experiment) | 17:47 |
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| betsy | I have to admit I haven't had time to review them | 17:48 |
| eankutse | I've been following the WIP. I need to look at the latest updates | 17:48 |
| kiall | This starts getting the APIv2 structured format in place, and as part of it, happens to make the RRType's into plugins. | 17:48 |
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| kiall | eankutse: there's not too much new, other than the very experimental wire protocol stuff was killed. | 17:49 |
| eankutse | k | 17:49 |
| kiall | I'm just bringing it up as it looks like the pattern I started with will work, so, we should review and see if anyone has concerns. | 17:49 |
| eankutse | so the intent is to make it possible for a given installation to pick and define what RR types they support? | 17:49 |
| kiall | (Not expecting people to have read it yet - just finished writing the BP wiki a hour or wo ago) | 17:49 |
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| kiall | eankutse: It's a mix of that, and allowing for both the string and dict representations of each RRType in the API | 17:50 |
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| kiall | Implementing them together was really the "only way", as both really depend on each other. | 17:50 |
| eankutse | thx | 17:51 |
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| kiall | Anyway - Just wanted people to know that was there ^, and that it'll be in a decent shape to discuss properly next week.. Please have a look :) | 17:51 |
| betsy | kiall: sounds good | 17:52 |
| richm | Is the string type needed for some sort of legacy application? | 17:52 |
| kiall | richm: the string type is often simpler to copy and paste from various docs etc, and is what some people are familiar with.. | 17:52 |
| richm | Ok | 17:52 |
| kiall | Take someone setting up Google Apps - The number of SRV recrods to get Google Talk going is huge (about 10) | 17:53 |
| kiall | most people will have no clue which of the example records map to the actual fields | 17:53 |
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| kiall | 6 mins left.. Rushing, We'll come back to that next week.. | 17:54 |
| kiall | #topic Mini-DNS, what next? | 17:54 |
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| kiall | So - The big-one with like 6 mins to go.. Perfect ;) | 17:54 |
| betsy | :) | 17:55 |
| artom | Overflow into #openstack-dns afterwards? | 17:55 |
| mugsie | I think this falls under the 'big pcture bp' idea | 17:55 |
| mugsie | where one person drives it, and has side meeting | 17:55 |
| kiall | I think, the next steps are to take all the discussions we had at the mini-summit, and get the mini-dns BP updated with some implementation details.. | 17:55 |
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| eankutse | yes | 17:56 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:56 |
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| eankutse | And also with perceived issues | 17:56 |
| kiall | #action kiall to condense mini-summit dicussions into MiniDNS spec | 17:56 |
| eankutse | for further consideration | 17:56 |
| mugsie | (multiple specs ;)) | 17:56 |
| kiall | We also need to decide on DIY or dnspython .. I'm of the opinion that DIY is going to give us the best results with the least pain .. | 17:57 |
| kiall | mugsie: overall vision spec ;) Implementation will be small pieces :D | 17:57 |
| artom | kiall, why ditch dnspython? | 17:57 |
| richm | can we salvage it at all? | 17:57 |
| artom | Not to shoehorn it everywhere, but if it can be useful in places... | 17:57 |
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| eankutse | so dnspython + some glue code? | 17:58 |
| artom | eankutse, I think it needs more than glue ;) | 17:58 |
| kiall | Not ditch it per-se, just not necessarily use it for this piece. It's API is quite.. clunky.. and we're going to end up doing mappings all over the place between DNS Python objects, and ours. | 17:58 |
| eankutse | agree | 17:58 |
| betsy | I thought there was some concern about the reliability of dnspython | 17:58 |
| artom | But it can handle some of the to/from wire stuff. | 17:58 |
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| rjrjr_ | dnspython seems like the correct direction. | 17:59 |
| betsy | 1 minute left | 17:59 |
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| kiall | betsy: I'm personally pretty sure dnspython will be reliable.. I think it's the awkwardness of the API, combined with it having much more than we need in there, and the conversions between DNS Python objects and our own.. Performance wise, I think we're going to do better DIY | 18:00 |
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| kiall | Lets move to #openstack-dns | 18:00 |
| kiall | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 12 18:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-12-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-12-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-12-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| datsun180b | oh it's time isn't it | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | yup | 18:02 |
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| denis_makogon | yup | 18:02 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, ping) | 18:02 |
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| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:03 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | heyo sry | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | lets start, i suppose | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | I suggest we give people a couple of minutes to show up. | 18:03 |
| kalebpomeroy | o/ | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 12 18:03:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| datsun180b | hello | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:03 |
| cweid | o/ | 18:03 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:03 |
| glucas | o/ | 18:03 |
| ViswaV | o/ | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | hi all | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | whaazzzzaap | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | #topic i3 status | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "i3 status (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:04 | |
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| kevinconway | o/ | 18:04 |
| mat-lowery | o/ | 18:04 |
| abramley | o/ | 18:04 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | so weve had a few more blueprints merge, and weve definitely packed in more items | 18:04 |
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| hub_cap | so i think we will have to slip our deadline to the end of feb | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | its fine for this cycle :) | 18:04 |
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| hub_cap | i know rackers will be out of pocket for a good section of the last wk in feb as well | 18:05 |
| imsplitbit | \o/ | 18:05 |
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| imsplitbit | /o\ | 18:05 |
| cp16net | o_O | 18:06 |
| imsplitbit | )))))) | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | ok my internet is freaking out.. | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | im back :) | 18:06 |
| grapex | >>:(( | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | so core needs to step it up and finish reviews | 18:06 |
| * grapex looks down bashfully | 18:06 | |
| hub_cap | we need to focus on the critical gate fixing bug first tho | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | and we need to test out the datastore impls | 18:06 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | there is only one unassigned bp in i3 | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | and the rest are mostly in code review | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | ohh link sryy | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | #link launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | whoopsies | 18:07 |
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| vipul | o/ | 18:07 |
| juice | o/ | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | plz update your blueprints today | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | if its in 'needs code review', then we know to look at it | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | if its in started or not started, then we wont look for it in gerrit | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | we are focusing on this page for i3 | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | that goes for bugs as well | 18:08 |
| juice | Update? How? | 18:08 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | juice: make sure that any patchsets that you have in gerrit are linked with the BP. | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | (in the commit message) | 18:09 |
| juice | Got it | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | That way the state of the bp will automatically be changed to "Code Review" | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | juice: make sure the "Delivery" status is set to "Needs Code review" | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: that doesnt hapen w bps | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | its manual | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | unless thats changed | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | ive manually set mine and many others :) | 18:10 |
| cp16net | nope its manual last i saw | 18:10 |
| hub_cap | so go edit your bps!! | 18:10 |
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| juice | Ahhh | 18:10 |
| juice | Thanks hub_cap for clarification | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: interesting; it used to work I think (maybe a bug in CI?). I guess do it manually for now. | 18:11 |
| juice | I know you guys are swamped - can we talk about process perhaps triage perhaps using priority to help filter out "noise" | 18:11 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: ive never seen it work | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | juice: in gerrit? | 18:12 |
| juice | It's like looking at the matrix sometimes watching patches going into irc | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | or on this i3 page | 18:12 |
| juice | In general | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | yea ive told core we need to focus on the i3 page, not the gerrit system for now | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | this should give us _some_ filter to the noise | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | at least till we get to the mid cycle sprint | 18:13 |
| juice | So if it has been tagged as i3 then it's top priority | 18:13 |
| vipul | is there a similar status for bugs? | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | there we have a session on blueprints and bugs and how we can better our approach | 18:13 |
| vipul | that we should be focusing on reviewing | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | vipul: yes its just below the bps | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | on that same page | 18:13 |
| vipul | just review any marked as in progess? | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | but w bugs | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | it just goes to in porgress | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | *progress | 18:14 |
| imsplitbit | lol | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | Bugs can still go in after the i3 FF, right? | 18:14 |
| hub_cap | yes, after i3 is cut | 18:14 |
| hub_cap | then only backported features that had a FFE (pretty much all of thse in i3 have to be in) | 18:14 |
| hub_cap | and yes they have to all be backported :) | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | and backported critical bugs | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | and then after that we can only merge bugs till its cut | 18:15 |
| vipul | so when after March 6th, we open it up for Juno? | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | once rc1 is cut (usually a wk after or whatever) | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | then juno is open | 18:15 |
| vipul | Ok | 18:15 |
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| hub_cap | ok so any questions about this? | 18:16 |
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| hub_cap | also, just so everyone knows, blueprints/bugs will eventually go away | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | the storyboard project team had a sprint (ttx i think ran it) | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | with storyboard? | 18:17 |
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| hub_cap | and they are working, i think, toward a solution | 18:17 |
| vipul | hooray | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | im not sure how active it is | 18:17 |
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| vipul | one of the developers on that sits on this floor | 18:18 |
| vipul | so i think it's on | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Yup, it's definitely on from what I heard last. | 18:18 |
| hub_cap | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/storyboard | 18:18 |
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| kevinconway | hub_cap: where are the screenshots? | 18:20 |
| hub_cap | lol kevinconway | 18:20 |
| vipul | somewhat live here http://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/page/about | 18:20 |
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| hub_cap | oh nice | 18:20 |
| hub_cap | ya if yall want, we can get in early | 18:20 |
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| hub_cap | but like right now it has no login | 18:21 |
| denis_makogon | lol | 18:21 |
| denis_makogon | image-boards | 18:21 |
| hub_cap | but we can help their team w/ filing bugs and such | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | and help shape the project | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | totally anonymous | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | or we can keep using blueprints/bugs for now | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | no we will wait for auth denis_makogon :) | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | ok so any more Qs | 18:23 |
| denis_makogon | i like jira | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: ya they are choosing to build one | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | ok so moving on | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | #topic Meetup!! | 18:24 |
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| hub_cap | so i think ill be able to post a link to a hangout for a few days | 18:24 |
| kevinconway | tinder vs… ? | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | im almost odne testing it | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | *done | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | tinder? | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | so we will have remote participation | 18:24 |
| vipul | as long as its < 9 remote participants :) | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | vipul: im sure it will be :) | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | if not we can um.. open 2x laptops | 18:25 |
| vipul | yep, probably not that many that won't be there | 18:25 |
| vipul | so the most important question.. are the parties booked? :) | 18:26 |
| datsun180b | i'm going to introduce myself to all of you as michael basnight | 18:26 |
| vipul | you should put them on the agenda page | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | but we will do our best to accommodate | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | i will vipul , once im sure its working | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | ill keep it to the channel tho | 18:26 |
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| kevinconway | no, i am michael basnight! | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | so that we can have active participants instead of any random joe :) | 18:27 |
| vipul | oh no, i meant the party schedule hub_cap | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | lies | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | vipul: ohhh that schedule | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | yea i can do that | 18:27 |
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| hub_cap | we are going to be PACKED | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | its like a 20~25 person room | 18:27 |
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| hub_cap | with 30 people in it | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | but i imagine there will be some mingling / side convos | 18:27 |
| cp16net | hopefully there are enough chairs | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | so that can happen outside | 18:28 |
| vipul | oh SkySQL came into the office.. they _may_ be coming | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | cp16net: u sit too much ;) | 18:28 |
| grapex | I wonder if it will be like twelve angry men. I'll be sure to bring my nice sweating shirt. | 18:28 |
| vipul | they will confirm today they said | 18:28 |
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| hub_cap | to the meetup? yeesh thatll be painful! | 18:28 |
| vipul | yea.. kinda late to the game | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | its already closed / full :D | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | ill chat w em too if they really need to particiapte | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | wow i cant speel | 18:28 |
| vipul | i'll forward them to you.. you can tell them politely | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | :) | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | :) | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Oh, speaking of the sprint. I set up a page for the key-signing party. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenPGP_Web_of_Trust/Trove_Icehouse_Sprint | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: NICE | 18:30 |
| hub_cap | we should put some more verbiage here | 18:30 |
| hub_cap | ill add to it today | 18:30 |
| kevinconway | so am i limited to a certain number of keys i can bring? | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | There's a lot more verbiage regarding it if you click on the linked parent article | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenPGP_Web_of_Trust#Key_Signing_Process | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: not really, but only use ones that u actively use | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | *only bring* | 18:31 |
| hub_cap | oh icic | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | sweet SlickNik | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | so lets ad our fingerprints | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | Yeah, if you guys add them, I'll make sure I have enough sheets printed out for us all with the info on it. Should make life a little easier. | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: awesome, i was gonna do that the afternoon of the first day | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | if u need help SlickNik and I are avail | 18:33 |
| juice | I have a script that will speed up this process slightly | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: Sounds good. Let me add that info to the sprint wiki. | 18:33 |
| juice | We can verify a master list of keys so that everyone doesn't have to type them in | 18:33 |
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| kevinconway | juice: i just give it my private key and it does it all right? | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | juice: u will still have to do typing when u get home :) | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | so that should be exciting :) | 18:34 |
| hub_cap | and we are going to do intros in the beginning too, and id like to make sure we have remote participants for that as well | 18:35 |
| juice | Well we can put the key id in a file to identify your peers | 18:35 |
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| kevinconway | we could put all our PKs in a shared drop-box | 18:35 |
| kevinconway | that would make it easy | 18:35 |
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| hub_cap | sounds great kevinconway | 18:35 |
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| SlickNik | juice: you can get the key from the GPG server, you wouldn't have to type it in. | 18:36 |
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| juice | You still need to identify the person you are signing | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | juice: You'd just have to ensure that the signature matches the one that you verified in person | 18:36 |
| juice | There are about 20 of us | 18:36 |
| juice | We each put out key id in a file and we verify that file | 18:36 |
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| juice | That file is then used by each person to identify their peers keys and sign it | 18:37 |
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| SlickNik | juice: Let's take this offline after the meeting. :) | 18:37 |
| hub_cap | oh ok cool :) | 18:38 |
| kevinconway | so i sign my key and bring it? | 18:38 |
| kevinconway | i'm so confused | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: sign your key with uour key | 18:38 |
| vipul | kevinconway: just bring your laptop :D | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | and bring the signature of the fingerprint and sing that with your retina | 18:38 |
| vipul | we'll figure it out.. you're not the only one confused | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | its a lot easier than it seems | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | lets bring it back to trove channel and dicuss | 18:38 |
| hub_cap | so yes we will havesome cool events sponsored by http://www.tesora.com/, HP and Rax | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | in the evenings on wed and thr | 18:39 |
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| hub_cap | i assume everyone will be going to those :) | 18:39 |
| hub_cap | so does anyoen ahve Qs about the meetup at present? | 18:40 |
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| vipul | hub_cap: do you have certain goals that should come out of this meetup.. | 18:41 |
| jimbobhickville | fix all the things! | 18:42 |
| vipul | i.e. work items.. clarity.. what should be accomplished | 18:42 |
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| hub_cap | i think that each session woudl have differnt goals | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: (and others who want more info about the keysigning party) Here's some more info you might find useful: http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html | 18:42 |
| hub_cap | but id like to, at least, have some concrete design for each thing/feature we are discussing | 18:42 |
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| datsun180b | kind of looking forward to an event similar to pycon's TiP BoF at our midcycle | 18:43 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: is that the drunkfest heckle event? | 18:44 |
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| datsun180b | hub_cap: of course | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | and if possibel some hacking done vipul | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | if nothign else a really well formed blueprint w/ design, caveats of the feature, etc.. future thoughts | 18:44 |
| imsplitbit | jesus your speeling is horibble | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | so that people can hit the road runnin for juno | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | it really is | 18:44 |
| vipul | hub_cap: ok cool | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | my fingers dont work at the proper speed | 18:44 |
| hub_cap | but my emacs fu is getting better so i can correct easier | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | i would try to present my vision of capabilities for meetup, if its possible | 18:45 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | oopsies | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | i think it might make more sense to discuss capabilities over pecan/wsme | 18:46 |
| hub_cap | what do yall think? | 18:46 |
| denis_makogon | hm, difficalt to say | 18:46 |
| denis_makogon | if that so, we need to migrate to pecan first | 18:47 |
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| denis_makogon | it's not the easiest task | 18:47 |
| vipul | is there any discussion on v2 api? because that seems like the logical place to discuss pecan | 18:47 |
| grapex | One thing I'd like to talk about | 18:47 |
| grapex | is maybe moving files about to make the MVC pattern a bit more defined | 18:47 |
| grapex | as I think it could help us migrate to pecan | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | i'd left pecan/API v2 for the Summit | 18:47 |
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| hub_cap | yea i think thats a fair | 18:48 |
| kevinconway | we should discuss the summit at the meetup | 18:48 |
| juice | Oh no not patterns | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | I think we should go with capabilities unless we know there's an imminent effort to move to Pecan / WSME. | 18:49 |
| juice | Hiss | 18:49 |
| hub_cap | lol kevinconway juice | 18:49 |
| hub_cap | i agree SlickNik | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | I feel like that discussion might be a bit more concrete. | 18:49 |
| juice | Is pecan a done deal? | 18:49 |
| hub_cap | and i do think we should take some time to discuss that grapex , lets do it during a lunch time thing | 18:49 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Cool | 18:49 |
| hub_cap | juice: i believe everyone is moving to it evntually.. maybe im rong | 18:50 |
| hub_cap | *wrong | 18:50 |
| grapex | Also... let's talk about moving the Reference Guest | 18:50 |
| hub_cap | but i do agree w vipul that itll be a dicussion for when we need v2 | 18:50 |
| grapex | And also my idea to nickname it "Reffy the Reference Guest" and give it a cartoon dog for a mascot | 18:50 |
| hub_cap | we can discuss that a bit during clutsreint too | 18:50 |
| hub_cap | *clustering | 18:50 |
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| vipul | reference guest makes it sound taboo to actually us :p | 18:51 |
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| vipul | use | 18:51 |
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| grapex | vipul: But Reffy makes it sound adorable! | 18:52 |
| grapex | vipul: Good point though | 18:52 |
| kevinconway | i'm going to upload my competing guest called bashy | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | ok so it seems like we should discuss the sessions a bit | 18:52 |
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| hub_cap | we can still move stuff around | 18:52 |
| kevinconway | 100% shell commands | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | so lets take it offline too | 18:52 |
| hub_cap | /mute kevinconway | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | ;) | 18:53 |
| datsun180b | kevinconway: | bc "+1" | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | ok so this has digressed | 18:53 |
| hub_cap | #topic open dicussion | 18:53 |
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| datsun180b | ooh ooh | 18:53 |
| datsun180b | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UnifiedSDK | 18:53 |
| datsun180b | do we have a hat in that ring | 18:54 |
| hub_cap | i have not talked w/ anyone from that yet | 18:54 |
| vipul | datsun180b: is there non-python implementatons in this | 18:54 |
| datsun180b | don't know about that so much | 18:55 |
| hub_cap | is it safe to assume they'll call us? | 18:55 |
| datsun180b | ask our ptl | 18:55 |
| vipul | there is already a python-openstackclient i wonder how this is different | 18:56 |
| vipul | unless they do plan to offer non-python bindings as well | 18:57 |
| datsun180b | seriously though if we don't try to help them i bet they'll try to build one without us and that could be a lot more difficult that it needs to be | 18:57 |
| hub_cap | ya ill buy in to this when the rest of the "Community" does | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | vipul: I think they're actually talking about the API here (not the consumer) | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | So you don't have to hit the endpoints directly. | 18:57 |
| datsun180b | right, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/unified-sdk-notes defines four layers | 18:58 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, there are already non-pythonic binding (java, C#, etc) | 18:58 |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: not enough for a good dip though | 18:58 |
| datsun180b | kevinconway: seven or don't bother, right | 18:58 |
| datsun180b | vipul: i think layer four is where the bindings would go | 18:58 |
| hub_cap | ok so core, REVIEW | 18:58 |
| hub_cap | other people, REVIEW | 18:59 |
| cp16net | lol | 18:59 |
| cp16net | ok | 18:59 |
| hub_cap | use the i3 page as a guide | 18:59 |
| cp16net | and with that its ova | 18:59 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 12 18:59:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-02-12-18.03.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-02-12-18.03.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-02-12-18.03.log.html | 18:59 |
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