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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 13:00:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:00 |
| BrianB_ | hi | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi | 13:01 |
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| baoli | Let's wait a couple of minutes for Yongli | 13:02 |
| b3nt_pin | hi | 13:02 |
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| beagles | (sorry my nick was flipped) | 13:02 |
| baoli | Hi beagles | 13:02 |
| irenab | hi | 13:02 |
| irenab | short update on nova bug I raised before, Itzik pushed the fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59093/ | 13:03 |
| irenab | baoli: there is a code that gets provider network physical_netowrk attributes, take a look | 13:04 |
| baoli | irenab, sure | 13:04 |
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| irenab | rkukura: any objections on vnic_type patch? | 13:05 |
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| rkukura | irenab: I never got back to my review of that yesterday, but I will today | 13:05 |
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| irenab | I'll probably push slight fixes to mainly fix alembic migration failure | 13:06 |
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| baoli | I think that we should get started. | 13:09 |
| baoli | I guess that everyone has seen the emails on the Nova BPs pending for approval | 13:10 |
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| sadasu | yes | 13:11 |
| baoli | rkukura, do you see any issues for the neutron sriov related BPs being approved? | 13:11 |
| irenab | baoli: yes, John sent the email | 13:11 |
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| rkukura | We are still waiting for markmclain to approve the vnic_type BP, right? | 13:12 |
| heyongli | baoli, sorry my network can not reach this meeting for a while. | 13:12 |
| baoli | Hi heyongli | 13:12 |
| irenab | rkukura: I think mestery approved and need salvatore to look at this too. | 13:13 |
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| rkukura | irenab: Its all set | 13:14 |
| irenab | rkukura: Cool, so just need you time for review :-) | 13:14 |
| rkukura | Are there separate BPs for each SR-IOV MD? | 13:15 |
| rkukura | I see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-sriov-nic-switch | 13:15 |
| irenab | rkukura: yes, I posted it | 13:16 |
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| irenab | rkukura: will start to bring it once vnic_type in good shape | 13:17 |
| rkukura | Is there still work to do for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov? | 13:17 |
| baoli | rkukura, good question. I opened it for neutron related sriov works | 13:18 |
| sadasu | I think this work is covered in Irena's BP | 13:18 |
| irenab | rkukura: it comes to common parts for every SRIOV plugin | 13:19 |
| sadasu | but we might keep it around, to support Neutron changes when the full blown Nova changes come in | 13:19 |
| irenab | I think sadasu and I need to see if/how common parts can be extracted in order to eliminate code duplication | 13:19 |
| sadasu | irenab: agreed | 13:19 |
| irenab | still need to see if there is SRIOVMDBase or some DBMixin | 13:20 |
| baoli | So seems that we are in good shape from neutron side | 13:20 |
| sadasu | yeah, I looked at it a little bit | 13:20 |
| baoli | Now that yongli has joined, let's talk about nova side of things | 13:20 |
| irenab | sadsu: I think you are ahead of me here, so any inputs you have, please share | 13:21 |
| rkukura | We'll need to get at least the 1st of those BPs approved, and some code in review by Tuesday to make icehouse | 13:21 |
| irenab | rkukura: How we can do it without binding:profile? | 13:21 |
| baoli | rkukura, which BP specifically? | 13:21 |
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| rkukura | The binding-profile BP is approved,and will be in review today I expect | 13:22 |
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| baoli | rkukura, that sounds great | 13:23 |
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| rkukura | Whichever BP(s) actually define the keys used in binding:vif_details and binding:profile, and implement the MD(s) | 13:23 |
| baoli | sadasu, what about your BP? is it approved? | 13:24 |
| sadasu | baoli: yes, its approved ....putting up code shortly for review | 13:24 |
| irenab | rkukura: I'll update the above BP to mention the attributes baoli summarized on wiki | 13:25 |
| rkukura | sadasu: Link to your BP? | 13:25 |
| baoli | sadasu, cool | 13:25 |
| irenab | baoli: switch to nova? | 13:26 |
| baoli | irenab, is there a BP for your MD? You said that you are going to bring it up once the vnic bp is in good shape? | 13:26 |
| sadasu | rkukura: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ucs-manager-mechanism-driver | 13:27 |
| irenab | baoli: yes, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-sriov-nic-switch is mine. | 13:27 |
| rkukura | sadasu:: found https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ucs-manager-mechanism-driver, and that it is approved | 13:27 |
| baoli | I'll put all of them in the meeting wiki | 13:27 |
| baoli | cool. let's switch to nova | 13:27 |
| irenab | Still need the old Mellanox Plugin as MD due to InfiniBand support, so had to push it with no regards to surrent design | 13:27 |
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| irenab | s/surrent/current | 13:28 |
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| baoli | With regard to the nova BPs, we need to decide what to do if they won't be approved for icehouse. Any comments? | 13:29 |
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| irenab | baoli: not sure what we can do | 13:31 |
| heyongli | it's hard part | 13:31 |
| sadasu | rkukura: how has this type of scenario worked in the past? | 13:31 |
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| heyongli | i have no idea, yunhong talked with john in meetup, there still some concert should be resolved, | 13:32 |
| rkukura | We need to find supportive nova core reviewers, and deal with any legitimate objections/concerns | 13:33 |
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| irenab | maybe if we continue with the code and even its accepted in J-1, it can be backported | 13:34 |
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| heyongli | code will continue, definitely | 13:35 |
| rkukura | Right now, it seems that one nova core has not been supportive, but is he raising valid concerns other than just core reviewing workload? | 13:35 |
| baoli | I thought Russell would look at this. But his email seems to indicate that his hands are full | 13:35 |
| heyongli | aggregate is the one of problem | 13:35 |
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| sadasu | heyongli: are u planning to rework your design to include host-aggregates? | 13:37 |
| heyongli | at leas i should considerate it carefully | 13:37 |
| heyongli | and post some idea about it | 13:38 |
| baoli | I put together an agenda for today earlier: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Feb._13th.2C_2014 | 13:38 |
| sadasu | I think you'll likely end up getting the same comment from other cores | 13:38 |
| baoli | It talks about what we need from nova generic support | 13:38 |
| heyongli | yunhong also try to split the basic support to another bp, but can not make it | 13:40 |
| baoli | I think that we discussed host aggregates extensively, and thought in its current shape it won't support our requeirements | 13:41 |
| heyongli | baoli, this the major gap | 13:41 |
| heyongli | An API to retrieve a PCI device that is linked to the original PCI request. | 13:41 |
| baoli | heyongli, any comments on that? | 13:42 |
| heyongli | for this, is it can be done by pci_manager.get_instance_pci_devs and plus a function find the device by specs, what do you thinks about such approach? | 13:43 |
| sadasu | baoli: can we put a section in your wiki, just to capture that reasoning? | 13:44 |
| baoli | heyongli, what do you mean by specs? | 13:44 |
| sadasu | I think it is spread out in emails and IRCs | 13:44 |
| heyongli | { key: v, ...} | 13:44 |
| baoli | sadasu, about the aggregate? | 13:44 |
| heyongli | which wiki, did i miss it? | 13:44 |
| sadasu | baoli: yes | 13:45 |
| heyongli | our reason is not strong enough for john, i think | 13:45 |
| sadasu | baoli: don't want to add more to your plate...but trying to help | 13:45 |
| baoli | heyongli, it won't work in this case: if you have similar requests in both the nova flavor and the --nic request | 13:46 |
| heyongli | baoli , can you make a example? | 13:47 |
| baoli | heyongli, I sent you an email about my proposal, you didn't get back to me | 13:47 |
| heyongli | baoli, i might miss it? | 13:47 |
| heyongli | i will check it later. ooh, i take one day leave at tomorrow | 13:47 |
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| baoli | heyongli, it was a few weeks back, and also other emails that talk about it. | 13:48 |
| heyongli | baoli, even similer, but you can make the request's all spec to the function | 13:48 |
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| heyongli | baoli, sorry for this, i did take a long vacation. | 13:49 |
| heyongli | if we had get_pci_device_by_specs(pci_devs, specs) | 13:50 |
| heyongli | the specs can translate from a request | 13:50 |
| baoli | heyongli, taking the existing pci alias for example, you can have the alias specified in the flavor, at the same time, the alias can be used in the --nic option. | 13:50 |
| heyongli | get_specs_from_request(request) | 13:50 |
| heyongli | only if they are have any diffrent , this can work | 13:50 |
| heyongli | if same, no need to get recognized, i think. | 13:51 |
| heyongli | only problem might be, if network and regular pci share same alias, we should find a 'free' one in libvirt config layer | 13:52 |
| baoli | heyongli, so get_pci_device_by_specs() would return a list of pci devices. Which one to pick? | 13:52 |
| baoli | heyongli, let me forward you my email again. It basically uses the cookie approach, and it's very simple | 13:53 |
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| heyongli | baoli, i try to make a cookie version ever, but seems more like hack one, i drop it. anyway, this is code detail, and we can discuss offline in mail. | 13:54 |
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| heyongli | baoli, forward that to yunhong also and to mail list, yunhong might quick response when i take my short vacation | 13:56 |
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| heyongli | any way you list base support of nova is what i think, this cool | 13:57 |
| baoli | heyongli, he had it already. You were on the mailing list, I beleive | 13:57 |
| irenab | any change regarding daily meetings? | 13:57 |
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| heyongli | baoli, sorry again, once we find the way, code is very soon | 13:57 |
| heyongli | irenab, 2 meeting might enough? | 13:58 |
| baoli | heyongli, we need to agree on what is needed, and the way to do it, | 13:58 |
| heyongli | sure. | 13:59 |
| irenab | heyongli: I think we may try Mon and Wed + updates on mails if needed | 13:59 |
| heyongli | irenab, i'm ok with it | 14:00 |
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| sadasu | 2 times a week is good | 14:00 |
| baoli | Ok, let's say the next meeting is Monday. And If needed, we can have one on Wednesday. | 14:00 |
| irenab | agree | 14:00 |
| heyongli | cool | 14:00 |
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| rkukura | +1 | 14:01 |
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| rkukura | I'm likely to miss Monday's meeting, but not sure | 14:01 |
| baoli | The channel is still open, can we go on for a little bit longer? | 14:01 |
| rkukura | If so, I'll read the logs. | 14:01 |
| markwash | is the pci-passthrough meeting over? | 14:02 |
| baoli | markwash, you need the channel? Sorry, I'll end the meeting now | 14:02 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 14:03:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-13-13.00.html | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-13-13.00.txt | 14:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-13-13.00.log.html | 14:03 |
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| markwash | baoli: thanks! | 14:03 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 14:03:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:03 |
| flwang | \o/ | 14:03 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:04 |
| arnaud__ | hi!! | 14:04 |
| gokrokve | Hi!! | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | Ehlo | 14:04 |
| markwash | Hi folks! | 14:04 |
| flwang | rosmaita: morning | 14:05 |
| hemanth_ | 0/ | 14:05 |
| markwash | I was busy at the nova meetup yesterday and have not prepared the agenda very much | 14:05 |
| markwash | hemanth_ has an item he woulld like to discuss | 14:05 |
| markwash | and some time after that I'd like to run through the icehouse-3 blueprints again to see what progress we've made or if there are other changes we should make | 14:05 |
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| markwash | #topic suspending and image (hemanth_) | 14:06 |
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| markwash | hemanth_: would you like to introduce the idea? | 14:06 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: sure | 14:06 |
| hemanth_ | with import, we can see a wide range of images getting imported into the cloud. Most of these may be created outside the cloud and thereby may not be very trusted | 14:08 |
| hemanth_ | so, in the event we see a 'bad' image getting imported, we need a way to stop further operations on this image. | 14:08 |
| hemanth_ | like booting servers off of it and sharing it further with other users | 14:09 |
| markwash | so is this sort of an admin api use case? | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | i think it's not so much the import action itself, it's just the existence of a "bad" image in the cloud | 14:09 |
| flwang | hemanth_: so it sounds like an admin operation | 14:10 |
| flwang | ? | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | could protect with policies | 14:10 |
| hemanth_ | markwash, flwang: one of the use cases admin bp, yes | 14:10 |
| flwang | rosmaita: +1 | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | could also be a user-level operation in some clouds | 14:10 |
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| flwang | seems we should say the import action make the bad image possibility more bigger | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | How about user flagging possibility? | 14:11 |
| markwash | if an image is suspended, no one can boot it? or no one its shared with can boot it? | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | flwang: not necessarily, you can take a snapshot of a current server and shar that | 14:11 |
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| rosmaita | markwash: i think no one can boot it | 14:11 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: no one can boot it | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | but we don't control booting, so i guess no one can download it? | 14:12 |
| flwang | hemanth_: could we just mark the image with a reserved tag? | 14:12 |
| zhiyan | rosmaita: and don't expose direct location maybe | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | well, for this to be effective I guess no locations should be exposed | 14:13 |
| arnaud__ | is it the responsibility of Glance of checking if a guest OS is trusted? | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | arnaud__: i don't think so | 14:14 |
| flwang | arnaud__: +1, and I think it's hard to detect | 14:14 |
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| rosmaita | but we do need to supply a way to stop user of images under investigation | 14:14 |
| Guest15113 | arnaud__: no, however the catalog needs to have a way to flag that | 14:14 |
| hemanth_ | arnaud__: not glance's responsibility but we want glance to know abut such an image | 14:14 |
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| flwang | hemanth_: I agree from this POV | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | all i can thnink of as a current option, is just delete the image | 14:14 |
| flwang | nikhil__: hey there | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | which is really bad in event of a mistake | 14:15 |
| nikhil__ | hey | 14:15 |
| arnaud__ | ok, so this might look silly but why would you keep this image in your cloud? | 14:15 |
| zhiyan | actually i'm a little trend to think that client side, e.g. nova (or others like cinder ?) should also do some change to take care that flag.. | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | the other image statuses don't seem appropriate , e.g., queued | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | arnaud__: in case you are wrong | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | this is a public cloud use case, i guess | 14:15 |
| zhiyan | like do a check before vm snapshot | 14:15 |
| zhiyan | to prevent guest upload a bad image | 14:16 |
| flwang | zhiyan: check what? | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | zhiyan: what flwang said | 14:16 |
| zhiyan | flag within the metadata | 14:16 |
| hemanth_ | zhiyan: if the instance was booted from a suspended image? | 14:16 |
| markwash | darn it, I started talking in the wrong chat room :-( | 14:16 |
| arnaud__ | lol | 14:16 |
| hemanth_ | hah | 14:16 |
| flwang | welcome back to earth, markwash | 14:17 |
| zhiyan | hemanth_: i think it is | 14:17 |
| nikhil__ | arnaud__: to do more checks on the image and determine it's usability | 14:17 |
| markwash | haha | 14:17 |
| markwash | I was thinking, it seems like this could be done with protected properties and client-side behavior as well | 14:17 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: copy pasting your chat from other window | 14:17 |
| markwash | it seems like restricting download is a bit heavy-handed | 14:17 |
| arnaud__ | nikhil__: ok so the admin is still able to download the image | 14:18 |
| nikhil__ | arnaud__: may be (optionally) | 14:18 |
| arnaud__ | nikhil__: otherwise, how can you check something that you cannot get | 14:18 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 14:18 |
| zhiyan | markwash: (i'm thinking latter one maybe using image handler in nova...) | 14:18 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: +1 but that would be an implicit way of doing things maybe? | 14:18 |
| nikhil__ | arnaud__: yeah, something like that restricting the image to validator or auditor of some sort | 14:18 |
| arnaud__ | I see | 14:18 |
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| nikhil__ | 09:15:14 [ markwash] its an interesting idea, its a bit hard to think of how it might work though, since it seems like glance doesn't really control the booting process | 14:19 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: like as a user if I see my image in state 'suspended' I would know there is something wrong | 14:19 |
| nikhil__ | 09:15:24 [ markwash] and restricting download is a bit heavy handed | 14:19 |
| nikhil__ | 09:15:46 [ markwash] maybe there could be a protected property "suspended" that nova would honor? | 14:19 |
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| nikhil__ | 09:16:16 [ markwash] or something that functions equivalently? | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | arnaud__ you could restrict/allow access by policies | 14:19 |
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| arnaud__ | rosmaita: ok this makes sense | 14:19 |
| markwash | hemanth_: I think you could still see "suspended = yes" on the image | 14:19 |
| flwang | FWIW, I think we need a way to avoid the bad image be spreaded | 14:20 |
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| rosmaita | markwash: i don't like the nova-honor-flag idea, if we know at the glance level that this is not a good image, should handle it here | 14:20 |
| arnaud__ | a bad image can be still shared? | 14:20 |
| nikhil__ | nope | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | arnaud__ i think yes | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | why not, no one can boot from it? | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | flwang: avoid the bad image be used. usage including: download; direct access via location info; snapshot vm which based on that bad image...and others? | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | and if bad, it will ultimately be destroyed | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | if a mistake, un-suspend, and no harm done | 14:21 |
| markwash | rosmaita: so suspended would prevent download and make sharing behave as 'private' ? | 14:21 |
| flwang | markwash: sounds reasonable | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i don't know if we need to affect sharing | 14:22 |
| flwang | it would a suspend/resume | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | as long as you can't boot | 14:22 |
| arnaud__ | +1 flwang | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | i'm thinking we don't have to make it too complicated | 14:22 |
| markwash | I guess its just, there is no "image.boot" action :-) | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | right, so that's why no-download | 14:22 |
| flwang | rosmaita: I prefer to prevent sharing | 14:22 |
| markwash | that's the only reason I feel a bit weird about it | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | well, look at it this way | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | booting is the thing we want to prevent ultimately | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but right now, we just don't want anyone using the image | 14:23 |
| arnaud__ | is you do an image-list, do you plan to have the image listed? yes I assume | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | yes | 14:24 |
| arnaud__ | s/is/if | 14:24 |
| flwang | arnaud__: yes, it will be there | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | with status 'suspended' or 'inactive' | 14:24 |
| markwash | well, the general problem description makes a lot of sense to me, and it seems like the proposed approach has merit | 14:24 |
| flwang | flwang: and I would like to see there is a tag or property indicating the suspending status | 14:25 |
| markwash | so, blueprint? | 14:25 |
| flwang | rosmaita: are you saying add a new status? | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | flwang: yes, that's what i think | 14:25 |
| nikhil__ | my assumption might be a bit pessimistic however, feel like we should not allow sharing | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | need to settle whether that's a good idea befoe going to a bp, i think | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | (a new status, i mea) | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | s/mea/mean/ | 14:26 |
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| zhiyan | probably adding a new status is a easy way to go: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L600 | 14:26 |
| nikhil__ | as that would mean that validator is being trusted and that may not always be true | 14:26 |
| nikhil__ | as we want to restrict bad images and allow "only" good images | 14:26 |
| hemanth_ | I like adding a new status | 14:26 |
| nikhil__ | all shades of gray should be considered bad images, no? | 14:26 |
| markwash | rosmaita: I think we can go with the new status strategy as the currently planned approach and write up the blueprint and spec? | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | hemanth: want to work with me on this? | 14:27 |
| markwash | we also need to think about how users will find out about this, probably through nova or cinder | 14:27 |
| hemanth_ | rosmaita: gladly | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | hemanth_: so i think it will be better if you can create a bp, and give a definition for "suspend". | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | zhiyan: +1 | 14:27 |
| hemanth_ | zhiyan: sure | 14:27 |
| markwash | I think you should also consider the case of nova server rebuild | 14:27 |
| flwang | markwash: and I would like to see some thoughts from the consumer POV | 14:27 |
| flwang | such as Nova, Ironic.. | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | flwang: and cinder | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ok, we will add some options | 14:28 |
| zhiyan | image <==> volume conversion | 14:28 |
| markwash | okay, next up | 14:28 |
| markwash | #topic status checkin for artifacts api | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status checkin for artifacts api (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:28 | |
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| markwash | jbernard: i have not had time to digest your email | 14:29 |
| gokrokve | Hi | 14:29 |
| markwash | gokrokve: hi there! | 14:29 |
| gokrokve | We have submitted couple new BPs | 14:29 |
| jbernard | markwash: the response was good, a few minor issues | 14:29 |
| arnaud__ | gokrokve: could you share URL here? | 14:30 |
| gokrokve | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/artifact-repository-api | 14:30 |
| gokrokve | Hm. There should be another BP for datamodel, but I don't see it. | 14:32 |
| gokrokve | I will open it. | 14:32 |
| markwash | so it looks like we're making some progress in the design phase | 14:32 |
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| markwash | gokrokve: based on our discussions I'll be very easy to see the data model bp :-) | 14:33 |
| iccha_ | hey | 14:33 |
| gokrokve | Yes. We have a question about storage. | 14:33 |
| flwang | iccha_: hey there | 14:33 |
| arnaud__ | hi iccha_! | 14:33 |
| gokrokve | I think it will be possible to use existing storage drivers to store artifacts. | 14:33 |
| jbernard | i hope so :) | 14:34 |
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| gokrokve | Great. So we will abb BP for that too. | 14:34 |
| zhiyan | gokrokve: do you think if we need some new interface to store driver? | 14:34 |
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| gokrokve | zhiyan: No. Artifacts itself just text files or binaries. | 14:34 |
| markwash | okay cool | 14:34 |
| zhiyan | gokrokve: thanks | 14:34 |
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| markwash | so more blueprints from gokrokve | 14:35 |
| markwash | and jbernard after a little more feedback on the instance template stuff will share it a bit more widely | 14:35 |
| markwash | sounds good to me | 14:35 |
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| gokrokve | As I see now, artifact will be parsed by plugin during upload and then glance will store it as a solid entity. | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | gokrokve: but iirc, you had mentioned versionning, maybe it's another case.. | 14:35 |
| jbernard | yep, i think it should come together nicely | 14:35 |
| arnaud__ | gokrokve: what do you mean by solid entity? | 14:36 |
| gokrokve | Glance do not split or modify them for storing. | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | gokrokve: +1 for solid entity | 14:36 |
| arnaud__ | does that mean that if an artifact contain (1 metadata file, 1 binary, 1 image) it will be a solid entity? | 14:37 |
| zhiyan | A little confused on "plugin", glance now doesn't support api extension/plugin mechanism | 14:37 |
| gokrokve | Yes, it should be apackage which has one ID. | 14:37 |
| markwash | well, I think there's a lot of details we'll need to see in the context of the blueprints | 14:37 |
| gokrokve | zhiyan: We plan to add this in artifacts API | 14:37 |
| markwash | its a little confusing to find out about them trickle by trickle | 14:38 |
| arnaud__ | but can you still access only the metadata file for example, without accessing the binary? | 14:38 |
| flwang | markwash: it would be nice if there is a wiki page associated with the bp | 14:38 |
| flwang | arnaud__: let discuss the details in Glance channel? | 14:38 |
| arnaud__ | yes | 14:38 |
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| arnaud__ | sure | 14:38 |
| gokrokve | arnaud__: I dont think so. Metadata will be stored separately | 14:38 |
| jbernard | it will be nice when this is all documented | 14:39 |
| flwang | gokrokve: yep, since glance can store metadata | 14:39 |
| gokrokve | The idea was that Glance artifact plugin can parse artifact content ant pass some data to associated metadata | 14:39 |
| markwash | for my part, I pitched the instance template idea somewhat here at the nova meetup | 14:39 |
| markwash | and it was met with some support | 14:39 |
| markwash | it seems like once we get it going, we can add a nova extension that allows booting through instance templates | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | it might be good to do a FAQ on this so we can ask questions and see the vision on one page | 14:40 |
| gokrokve | jbernard: Sure. We are working on that. We had no much time for that during this week as we are working on Murano incubation documents now. | 14:40 |
| flwang | markwash: sounds cool | 14:40 |
| markwash | and it should not require a ton of internal nova changes | 14:40 |
| arnaud__ | flwang: I have the ovf use case in mind and I would like to store the ovf and the image associated as an artifact. In this case I don't want the ovf to be stored as metadata. I want to make sure this use case is covered | 14:40 |
| markwash | re FAQ and more documentation, I don't really think we should do design review in this meeting | 14:40 |
| zhiyan | markwash: so mark, i think seems we'd better start to think about plugin framework for glance .. seems, for now i'm not sure the "plugin" in this context is working on which level | 14:40 |
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| markwash | mostly just checking in to see what folks are working on, and do the design review with documents offline | 14:41 |
| flwang | arnaud__: I was thinking the ovf case as well, we can discuss that offline | 14:41 |
| arnaud__ | flwang: yes sure :) | 14:41 |
| flwang | arnaud__: I think it's not very related to this, right? | 14:41 |
| markwash | zhiyan: yes, its unclear from the details given here, but I believe the plugin aspect will make plenty of sense later | 14:41 |
| arnaud__ | flwang: I think we need more details about the scope of artifacts. so let's wait for some initial doc :) | 14:42 |
| markwash | let's have a look at blueprints for icehouse-3 | 14:42 |
| markwash | #topic blueprints for icehouse-3 | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints for icehouse-3 (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:42 | |
| zhiyan | markwash: i just think this part seems is dedicated then artifacts api | 14:42 |
| markwash | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 14:42 |
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| markwash | nikhil__: any new work available for async / export / import? | 14:43 |
| markwash | is it more obvious now which of those bps should be in icehouse and which should not? | 14:43 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: we found some more complications added to both import and export script which was demonstrated in the summit (it's still internal) | 14:44 |
| nikhil__ | I'm working through it to fiure out how and what we can scrap things from it to make them pluggable | 14:44 |
| markwash | nikhil__: previously we said maybe the async bp could be dropped and track the work under "import" does that sound okay? | 14:45 |
| nikhil__ | so, in short did not get enough time to push up a new MP however, have come to a better idea of what needs to be done | 14:45 |
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| nikhil__ | markwash: many of the previous MPs are under that so, may be move them or rename it? | 14:45 |
| nikhil__ | not sure how the process works | 14:45 |
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| nikhil__ | that = async bp | 14:46 |
| markwash | are the MPs still out and active in gerrit? | 14:46 |
| markwash | or are these ones that have merged? | 14:46 |
| flwang | nikhil__: maybe you just need to update the commit message? | 14:46 |
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| nikhil__ | yeah, the merged ones | 14:46 |
| markwash | for merged ones it doesn't matter | 14:46 |
| nikhil__ | and one of flwang's glanceclient MP is out in gerrit | 14:46 |
| flwang | nikhil__: I don't think we need care aout the merged | 14:46 |
| markwash | okay, then I'm going to mark asynch as superceded by import | 14:47 |
| nikhil__ | sure | 14:47 |
| flwang | nikhil__: we can just leave the glance client patch there | 14:47 |
| markwash | moving on to glance.stores | 14:47 |
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| markwash | flaper87: you've put together some documents about the glance.store approach | 14:47 |
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| markwash | I have not digested them yet | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | markwash: yup | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | I linked it to the blueprint | 14:47 |
| markwash | cool | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | in case other folks want to chime it | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | in | 14:48 |
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| flaper87 | I'd love to have some feedback from other folks | 14:48 |
| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-store-package | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | about the migration plan I wrote there | 14:48 |
| markwash | sounds good, let's take the feedback onto some designated section of the etherpad, if that's okay | 14:49 |
| markwash | and we'll leave this one in | 14:49 |
| markwash | #topic image location status property | 14:49 |
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| markwash | it looks like the code was updated and some merged for the migration, correct? | 14:49 |
| markwash | zhiyan: ^ | 14:49 |
| zhiyan | markwash: yes just been merged (and catch a race condition bug) | 14:50 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: all the code for this is up for review now, correct? | 14:50 |
| markwash | so I could mark the blueprint as "needs code review" | 14:50 |
| zhiyan | markwash: YES, pls folks give reviews thanks | 14:50 |
| markwash | zhiyan: thanks! | 14:50 |
| zhiyan | markwash: thanks mark | 14:50 |
| markwash | #topic virtual image size | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "virtual image size (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:51 | |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/split-image-size | 14:51 |
| nikhil__ | win 26 | 14:51 |
| markwash | flaper87: it looks like you have code up for both the migration and api bits | 14:51 |
| markwash | so this just needs review as well? | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | markwash: it was actually approved earlier today but it conflicted with zhiyan patch | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | so, I just rebased it and it's up waiting for a ninja approve | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:52 |
| markwash | okay great | 14:52 |
| zhiyan | (i believe 033 migration version is been used by location status db change) | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: right | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | I allocated 34 | 14:52 |
| markwash | #topic i18n message improvements (flwang) | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "i18n message improvements (flwang) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:53 | |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/i18n-messages | 14:53 |
| markwash | flwang: is all the code up for this as well? | 14:53 |
| zhiyan | flwang: i will revist it on my tomorrow morning | 14:53 |
| flwang | markwash: the patch has been reviewed several rounds, and no more patch for this bp | 14:53 |
| flwang | zhiyan: thanks | 14:53 |
| markwash | flwang: great, I'll look again soon as well | 14:53 |
| flwang | markwash: yes | 14:53 |
| flwang | markwash: cool, thanks | 14:53 |
| markwash | #topic community-level sharing | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "community-level sharing (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:54 | |
| markwash | iccha_: you have some questions about the initial direction on this one | 14:54 |
| iccha_ | i think i am going along with rosmaita s proposal in wiki | 14:54 |
| iccha_ | and started work on it | 14:54 |
| markwash | great! | 14:54 |
| markwash | okay I think that covers our blueprints for icehouse-3 that have >low priority | 14:55 |
| zhiyan | thank you markwash | 14:55 |
| markwash | has anyone had a chance to look at this bug | 14:55 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1236868 | 14:55 |
| markwash | there has been code up for a while | 14:56 |
| zhiyan | markwash: tbh, iiuc, i think that metadata query is necessary, since | 14:56 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: the status of image can be change via another client upload request, under concurrent context | 14:57 |
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| markwash | hmm, but I thought the goal was to make it so that we *only* update to active or killed if no other client has already changed it from 'saving' ? | 14:57 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i think that just is what dosaboy try to prevent by this fixes | 14:58 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: so dosaboy need a query | 14:58 |
| zhiyan | to mark sure the *current* status of the image | 14:58 |
| markwash | hmm, maybe we better follow up in the review due to time limitations | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | sure | 14:59 |
| markwash | just wanted to keep the priority on this one high :-) | 14:59 |
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| markwash | all right, I've got a 15 hour drive to catch | 14:59 |
| bugsduggan | Something to draw your attention to - python-swiftclient enabling SSL cert checking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69187/ | 14:59 |
| bugsduggan | just FYI | 14:59 |
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| markwash | bugsduggan: thanks! | 15:00 |
| markwash | bye folks! | 15:00 |
| iccha_ | bye markwash ! | 15:00 |
| flwang | bye | 15:00 |
| bugsduggan | \o | 15:00 |
| arnaud__ | bye | 15:00 |
| flwang | thanks, markwash | 15:00 |
| zhiyan | good luck | 15:00 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I have a day full of driving, could not message you privately for some reason, but unfortunately I have to go and won't be back until tomorrow | 15:00 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 15:00:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-13-14.03.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-13-14.03.txt | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-13-14.03.log.html | 15:00 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok np | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 15:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
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| aostapenko | hello everyone :) | 15:02 |
| bswartz | good morning / good evening everyone | 15:02 |
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| xyang2 | hi | 15:02 |
| scottda | hi all | 15:02 |
| achirko | hello | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaMeetings | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:02 |
| csaba | hello | 15:02 |
| rraja | hi | 15:02 |
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| vbellur | hi | 15:02 |
| bill_az_ | Hi everyone | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic incubation | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "incubation (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | So we've been talking to the TC again about incubation | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | the official requirements are ever-changing, but here is the current list: | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/incubation-integration-requirements | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the main things that affect us here are: | 15:04 |
| bswartz | ** Reviews should follow the same criteria as OpenStack projects (2 +2s before +A) | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | ** Project must have a diverse core reviewers team (more than 4 people) | 15:04 |
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| ndn9797 | Hi all.. | 15:05 |
| bswartz | err | 15:05 |
| bswartz | there's another one I can't find | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov | ** Project APIs should be reasonably stable | 15:05 |
| bswartz | But clearly the intention from the TC is that we need to be a large team with multiple contributing entities | 15:05 |
| vbellur | bswartz: do we have a ballpark for the definition of large? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | interestingly, the requirement that the code should be production-ready seems to have disappeared | 15:07 |
| bswartz | vbellur: ** Project must have a diverse core reviewers team (more than 4 people) | 15:07 |
| vbellur | bswartz: ok | 15:08 |
| bswartz | and while it doesn't say so specifically, I think it's expected that those people don't all work for the same organization | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | so those of you who are making large contributions but are not in the core team I'm looking to grow the core team | 15:09 |
| bswartz | reviews are also greatly appreciated -- especially because my time for core reviews is unfortunately limitted | 15:09 |
| bswartz | s/core/code/ | 15:09 |
| bswartz | so enough on that, read the doc if you're interested | 15:10 |
| bswartz | #topic Atlanta Summit | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | So I know that Atlanta is still a long ways off | 15:10 |
| bswartz | however, it's looking like NetApp will be able to sponsor some conference sessions specifically for Manila | 15:10 |
| vbellur | bswartz: that sounds great | 15:11 |
| bswartz | We would like to be able to show off some demos of Manila doing cool things | 15:11 |
| bswartz | so between now and then I've asked the dev team to start working on stuff like Horizon plugins in addition to core manila stuff | 15:12 |
| esker | Here's our checklist for incubation "to do's" | 15:12 |
| esker | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Graduation | 15:12 |
| bswartz | esker: hey! | 15:12 |
| bswartz | good morning | 15:12 |
| esker | bswartz: good morning | 15:13 |
| bswartz | There are probably some other features we could add which aren't strictly necessary but would demo nicely, such as volume_type support | 15:13 |
| esker | share_type | 15:13 |
| esker | ;-) | 15:13 |
| bswartz | volume_type support is something we've always known we needed to add but a possible demo in atlanta ups the priority of that work | 15:14 |
| bswartz | esker: I actually prefer volume_type over share_type for several reasons | 15:14 |
| bswartz | but whatever it's called, it's functionality we need to add | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I'm looking for other ideas for features we could add or fix up that would contribute to a more successful demo | 15:15 |
| bswartz | and between now and Atlanta I'll be doing checkpoints against our progress towards that end | 15:15 |
| xyang2 | is this demo netapp only, or will it include other backends? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | anything else on this before we move on? | 15:15 |
| bill_az_ | it would be good to show multi-backend if possible - backends for several vendors working together is a good openstack thing | 15:16 |
| scottda | I don't see a blueprint for file-type of share-type. Is there one? | 15:16 |
| esker | I think demonstrating multiple backends would be fantastic | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | xyang2: the more backends the better -- demonstrating multibackend support with multiple hardware vendors would be very compelling I think | 15:16 |
| xyang2 | that's true | 15:16 |
| bswartz | at this time I think we can commit to showing off the generic backend and the netapp backend | 15:17 |
| bswartz | we have some time to add others | 15:17 |
| xyang2 | or maybe you can show some recorded demo of other backends | 15:17 |
| xyang2 | are you going to do live demo | 15:17 |
| bswartz | heh, live demos carry a certain amount of risk | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | I don't think we've decided on that yet | 15:18 |
| xyang2 | right | 15:18 |
| vbellur | a failure in a live demo makes it look authentic :) | 15:18 |
| bswartz | in principle we could do a live demo, but recorded would be the fallback plan | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | vbellur: hah! | 15:18 |
| bswartz | okay next topic | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:19 |
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| esker | a failure in a live demo would be tolerated better in a design summit session... but we're proposing to do this in the conference format. I'd prefer to avoid folks leaving w/ a negative impression (especially since it'll like be the first exposure for most to Manila). | 15:19 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: do you have status for us this week? | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | yes, sure | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Activation/deactivation api: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/share-network-activation-api | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | Gerrit: | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | (server) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71936/ | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | (client) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71497/ | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Generic driver has been merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67182/ | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 3) NetApp Cmode driver - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59100/ | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | Final stage of review. | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Horizon intagration estimation: it is upto 10 man-days. | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | 5) Volume types estimation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q1cz5TRBAXTev9hyswIGCy7lCPFE3slzmc9I-nwWrlw/edit?usp=sharing | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | now, OPEN ITEMS: | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | a) options "image" and "flavor" for share-network-activation api command | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | b) update devstack plugin for using generic driver? | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | dependencies: lightweight image, and reliable storage for it. Implementation of activation api for share-networks. | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | TODO: | 15:22 |
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| vponomaryov | - implement support of share-network activation/deactivation for generic and cmode driver after resolving open item for (1). | 15:22 |
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| vponomaryov | - horizon integration and testing | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | - volume types integration and testing | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | thats all for status | 15:23 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: wow | 15:23 |
| bswartz | you're always well prepared vponomaryov | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | =) | 15:24 |
| bswartz | okay so the activation API needs some discussing | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I was reviewing it and I saw some stuff I didn't like | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | so, activation api is considered as admin-api only | 15:24 |
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| vponomaryov | there are default values for image and flavor for service VM | 15:25 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: why wouldn't we want tenants to be able to call it? | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | hm, we need clarify one thing | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | we have tenant admins | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | and we have cluster admin | 15:26 |
| bswartz | isn't the point of the API so that tenants can error check the values they passed in for share-network-create? | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | no, share-network-create doesn't have check | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | it is another api command | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | I don't see any scenario where it's safe to allow tenants to start up a VM in the service network that's running a tenant-created glance image | 15:27 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: right, it's separate, but the reason we're adding it is so that they can call the second API to force the vserver to get created right away | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | yes, create VM, it is needed for Generic driver | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I think tenant should be allowed to force the VM to be created, but they should not be allowed to control the glance image or nova flavor under any circumstance | 15:29 |
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| vponomaryov | if it is admin of tenant, why we should restrict to set custom image or flavor | 15:30 |
| bswartz | the flavor because the VM will be outside their quota and we don't want to allow tenants to abuse that | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | the glance image because the VM will have routes to the backend network and therefore represents a security risk if mailcious software is installed in the glance image | 15:31 |
| bswartz | we have to assume that the tenant/user of manila may be evil and want to try to takeover the openstack cluster | 15:32 |
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| vponomaryov | Ok, I see your point | 15:33 |
| bswartz | note that there's nothing to prevent a user today from creating a glance image with nfsd/samba and runninging it themselves if they want to self-serve file access on top of a cinder provided-volume | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | they just won't be able to do that through manila | 15:34 |
| bswartz | also -- it's important that backend-specific details of the generic driver do no bleed through to the tenant-facing API | 15:35 |
| bswartz | because the tenant should be unaware of which backend they are talking to | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | there is no problem with it, while it is optional | 15:36 |
| bswartz | those parameters would need to be admin-only in order to be safe | 15:36 |
| bswartz | but I don't see the point of admin-only parameters which overlap with values in cinder.conf | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I'd like the APIs themselves to be tenant-accessible | 15:36 |
| bswartz | with no optional parameters | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the use case is: | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | 1) create share network | 15:37 |
| bswartz | 2) activate share network (using new API) | 15:37 |
| bswartz | 3) find out if there are any errors with the config | 15:37 |
| bswartz | 4) create shares | 15:37 |
| bswartz | actually we could add a flag to create share network which optionally activates it too | 15:38 |
| bswartz | but it's important to allow creating a share network and not activiating it | 15:38 |
| bswartz | (at least I think it is) | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | enough on that | 15:39 |
| csaba | bswartz: let me talk on service vm image project | 15:39 |
| bswartz | Congrats to us for the generic driver going upstream! | 15:39 |
| bswartz | csaba: just a moment | 15:39 |
| csaba | sorryh | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | I'm still reviewing the NetApp driver -- anyone who wants to help please do today | 15:40 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov mentioned the 2 new items we're looking at after the drivers are in | 15:40 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: did you want to talk about a lightweight image? | 15:41 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: csaba wanted to say about it | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | oh I get it | 15:41 |
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| csaba | s/vponomaryov/csaba/ :) | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I didn't get the relation | 15:41 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | #topic lightweight service VM image | 15:42 |
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| csaba | yep | 15:42 |
| bswartz | csaba go ahead | 15:42 |
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| csaba | so took cirros, lp:cirros | 15:42 |
| csaba | which is a fine project but was a bit bit-rotten | 15:42 |
| csaba | converted to git with buildroot as submodule | 15:43 |
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| csaba | as cirros is just a buildroot customization/wrapper project | 15:43 |
| csaba | and added all stuff that we need / can make use of for the service vm | 15:43 |
| csaba | #link https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros | 15:43 |
| csaba | #link https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/commits/manila-service-generic | 15:44 |
| csaba | so manila-service-generic is the branch you should build from | 15:44 |
| bswartz | csaba: this is awesome | 15:44 |
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| csaba | we need community testing as we don't have yet a deployment with generic driver | 15:44 |
| aostapenko | csaba: thanks | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: sounds great | 15:45 |
| csaba | will build and publish images soon | 15:45 |
| csaba | but in the meantime you can try to build yours | 15:45 |
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| csaba | of course any comment / contribution is welcome :) | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | so I'm not in favor of mandating a standard image -- I would rather document the requirements for the image and allow deployers to make their own -- but providing a reference image will be HUGELY helpful | 15:47 |
| bswartz | I bet that 90%+ of admins will probably stick with the reference image | 15:47 |
| bswartz | the question is how to distribute and promote the reference imge | 15:47 |
| bswartz | image | 15:47 |
| bswartz | because we're basically talking about another project | 15:48 |
| bswartz | csaba: what are the chances of your changes going back upstream to cirros? | 15:48 |
| csaba | bswartz: well its a further customization for specific purposes | 15:48 |
| csaba | cirros' original ambition is to be a demo image | 15:49 |
| csaba | a toy not a tool | 15:49 |
| bswartz | yeah I get that | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | I whould like to have that toy for testing =) | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but if we don't push the changes back into cirros the alternative is to maintain our own branch or else fork it | 15:49 |
| csaba | so I didn't think of merging back | 15:49 |
| csaba | cirros is not changing since a while | 15:50 |
| bswartz | we would want the bits for the modified cirros image to be underthe control of the manila-core team if we're going to promote it as a reference image and use it for tempest testing, etc | 15:50 |
| csaba | but yeah I can notify the original author what's his plans and optionon | 15:51 |
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| csaba | where would the ref images be hosted? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | csaba: how is cirros hosted now? | 15:51 |
| csaba | code is on launchpad | 15:52 |
| esker | launchpad | 15:52 |
| esker | https://launchpad.net/cirros/+download | 15:52 |
| bswartz | no not the source -- the binary | 15:52 |
| csaba | images are community contributions I think\ | 15:52 |
| esker | look again... binaries are there | 15:52 |
| bswartz | oh I see the releases are there too | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | Tempest has next: http://download.cirros-cloud.net/0.3.1/cirros-0.3.1-x86_64-uec.tar.gz | 15:52 |
| bswartz | well we should do something like this | 15:53 |
| bswartz | perhaps a manila-reference-image project on LP | 15:53 |
| bswartz | with the same governance as manila and python-manilaclient | 15:54 |
| bswartz | uh oh the power is looking unstable here in RTP | 15:54 |
| bswartz | my connection may drop, so let's wrap up the meeting | 15:54 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
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| esker | would prefer to just use the existing cirros project if the maintainers are agreeable | 15:55 |
| bswartz | esker: it's just smoser who maintains it | 15:55 |
| csaba | esker: the scope is different IMHO | 15:55 |
| bswartz | esker: and it sounds like smoser is not particularly active anyways | 15:55 |
| esker | Okay... the linux distro tree grows another branch | 15:56 |
| bswartz | a very small branch, but yes | 15:56 |
| bswartz | linux distros are a dime a dozen though | 15:56 |
| bswartz | anyone else have something? | 15:56 |
| bill_az_ | regarding ganesha nfs - admin functions - has anyone played with that much yet? Things like adding / removing exports are a bit difficult today | 15:56 |
| bswartz | bill_az_: that's good feedback -- I wasn't aware | 15:57 |
| bill_az_ | adding export requires editting ganesha conf and restarting server - there is dbus interface, but not fully baked yet | 15:57 |
| bill_az_ | I was wondering if anyone else has experimented with this? | 15:57 |
| vbellur | bill_az_: I believe there is ongoing work to avoid restarting the server? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I would love to start using ganesha so we can shake out issues and start filing bugs with that project | 15:57 |
| esker | how is ganesha nfs used in this context? Are we not using in kernel NFS in the cirros branch? | 15:58 |
| bill_az_ | vbellur: that's correct - planned for later this year is my understanding. | 15:58 |
| bswartz | the sooner we find the bugs the sooner we can get them fixed and start using it heavily | 15:58 |
| bswartz | esker: this is regarding the gateway-mediated multitenancy | 15:58 |
| bswartz | stuff that's needed by GlusterFS, etc | 15:58 |
| esker | ah, okay | 15:58 |
| bill_az_ | I've written some wrappers that I'm using with gpfs share driver - | 15:58 |
| bswartz | the generic driver does not use ganesha currently | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | although we could decide to change that if ganehsa proves to be better | 15:59 |
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| alagalah | Morning | 15:59 |
| bswartz | and that's about all we have time for | 15:59 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| aostapenko | thanks, bye | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:59 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 16:00:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-13-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| esker | concern w/ ganesha is sustainability... I feel better about in-kernel NFS being well maintained on an ongoing basis | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-13-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-13-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| esker | wrt the reference image | 16:00 |
| mestery | Good morning Group Policy folks! | 16:00 |
| banix | Hello Neutron Policy makers! | 16:00 |
| marun | morning | 16:00 |
| bswartz | pls move the discussion to #openstack-manila | 16:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_policy | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 16:00:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 16:00 |
| banix | mestery: Hi; made a minor change to the agenda just a minute ago; added a line essentially | 16:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy Agenda | 16:01 |
| mestery | banix: Great! | 16:01 |
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| mestery | So, it's been 2 weeks since we've met. The OpenDaylight Summit pulled some of us away for the past two weeks. | 16:01 |
| mestery | So, lets review Action Items first. | 16:01 |
| mestery | #topic Action Item Review | 16:01 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Here? | 16:01 |
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| mestery | The shared github has changed from the project page, SumitNaiksatam has setup a new one. | 16:02 |
| mestery | I will update the meeting page with the details, apologies for not having done that now. | 16:02 |
| mestery | But banix and s3wong are aware of this already. | 16:02 |
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| banix | mestery: Could you please also write a couple of lines about how the git is to be used; with having own branches wtc | 16:03 |
| mestery | FYI: The new link is this: https://github.com/noironetworks/neutron-group-policy | 16:03 |
| mestery | banix: Yes, SumitNaiksatam added some notes on that, I'll add an action item to that effect. | 16:03 |
| banix | mestery: as Sumit suggested so we are all on the same page | 16:03 |
| mestery | Good call. | 16:03 |
| banix | mestery: thanks. | 16:03 |
| marun | is there a reason not to use stackforge? | 16:03 |
| mestery | marun: That's another good question. | 16:03 |
| marun | code review on github stinks | 16:04 |
| banix | marun: what are the benefits | 16:04 |
| banix | marun: I see | 16:04 |
| mestery | marun: Do we get gerrit reviews on stackforge? | 16:04 |
| marun | we do | 16:04 |
| marun | and we can tie into openstack ci | 16:04 |
| marun | (presuming we have something to test) | 16:04 |
| banix | marun: we do :) | 16:04 |
| mestery | marun: Thanks for bringing this up. I think this bears looking into, seems like we should do this. | 16:05 |
| banix | +1 | 16:05 |
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| mestery | marun: I'll have SumitNaiksatam talk with you since he setup the other github. | 16:05 |
| marun | mestery: ok, sounds good | 16:05 |
| mestery | #action SumitNaiksatam and marun to discuss moving shared code to stackforge. | 16:05 |
| mestery | Thanks! | 16:05 |
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| mestery | OK next action item for review. | 16:06 |
| mestery | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/14UyvBkptmrxB9FsWEP8PEGv9kLqTQbsmlRxnqeF9Be8/edit?usp=sharing API Document | 16:06 |
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| mestery | This is basically taken from the overall Group Policy Document | 16:06 |
| mestery | I think, given this, I'd like to deprecate this one and focus on the Group Policy Document. | 16:06 |
| mestery | Thoughts? | 16:06 |
| mestery | #undo | 16:07 |
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| mestery | #link https://docs.google.com/a/mestery.com/document/d/1b_ywmSTKYW4PBjhkXREPePRgVmz-Uwv_Bb-i7Jaqsu4/edit API Document | 16:07 |
| mestery | Sorry, wrong link | 16:07 |
| mestery | That's the correct one. | 16:07 |
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| mestery | banix: Thoughts on this, given the overlap? | 16:07 |
| mestery | I wasn't sure what this separate document was buying us. | 16:07 |
| banix | mestery: yes sure | 16:07 |
| banix | agree | 16:07 |
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| mestery | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZbOFxAoibZbJmDWx1oOrOsDcov6Cuom5aaBIrupCD9E/edit?usp=sharing Group Policy Architecture Document | 16:08 |
| mestery | s3wong: Are you here by chance? | 16:08 |
| mestery | OK, I'll speak with s3wong offline about this. | 16:09 |
| banix | we need to review the last doc to make sure it is up to date | 16:09 |
| mestery | banix: You mean that the separate API doc hasn't added something different? | 16:09 |
| banix | mestery: yes | 16:09 |
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| mestery | banix: good call. I'll assign an AI for me, you and s3wong to do that. | 16:10 |
| banix | sounds good | 16:10 |
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| mestery | #action banix s3wong mestery to collapse separate API document back into Group Policy Architecture Document | 16:10 |
| mestery | Thanks banix | 16:10 |
| mestery | OK, that's all I had for action items on the agenda. | 16:11 |
| mestery | #topic PoC | 16:11 |
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| mestery | On the topic of the PoC, s3wong sent out an initial API diff, SumitNaiksatam is in process of adding that into a shared github now. | 16:11 |
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| mestery | Has anyone else started work on anything else yet? | 16:12 |
| banix | I have also worked on the database model for new group policy tables | 16:12 |
| alagalah | Not yet | 16:12 |
| alagalah | banix: is that documented anywhere? | 16:12 |
| mestery | banix: Nice work! | 16:12 |
| alagalah | banix: Sorry :) Yes that's awesome! | 16:12 |
| banix | I will push up the code as soon as we decide how to do it | 16:12 |
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| mestery | banix: Great! Lets sort out stackforge vs. github as well. | 16:13 |
| mestery | I mean, before the push of your code. | 16:14 |
| banix | mestery: yes, then you guys can have a look and see how it is and we can make changes as necessary | 16:14 |
| mestery | banix: Cool! | 16:14 |
| mestery | We also need to start on the agent side code as well, and eventually implement the new APIs in ML2 and the openvswitch MD. | 16:15 |
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| banix | mestery: sounds good | 16:16 |
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| banix | we have people assigned to that part? | 16:16 |
| marun | agents, hmmm. I'll need to follow up afterwards on that topic. | 16:16 |
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| mestery | marun: Ideally we do this using ODL once that gets into the tree. | 16:17 |
| * mestery just realized he had moved this meeting to an hour later, and yet most of us showed up at this time ... | 16:17 | |
| mestery | I was wondering where s3wong and SumitNaiksatam were. :) | 16:17 |
| mestery | I wonder if we should continue or come back in 45 minutes? | 16:17 |
| banix | so that is what Sumit was referring to! a new time! | 16:18 |
| banix | :) | 16:18 |
| mestery | Man, I am dense this morning. | 16:18 |
| marun | tempest meeting is in 45m :( | 16:18 |
| mestery | On this channel? I thought I had checked that! | 16:18 |
| banix | I missed that change of time | 16:18 |
| marun | no, #openstack-meeting. but it would be a conflict for me | 16:18 |
| mestery | marun: OK. | 16:19 |
| mestery | marun: what about 1800 UTC? Is that better? | 16:19 |
| marun | mestery: yes, better | 16:19 |
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| mestery | So, 1800UTC on Thursday's is booked, unless we get another IRC channel for meetings. :) | 16:20 |
| mestery | The FWaaS meeting is at 1800UTC on Wednesday | 16:20 |
| mestery | Does Monday/Friday work for people? | 16:20 |
| mestery | OR should we try 1900 UTC :) | 16:20 |
| mestery | 1900 UTC is free on most days for this meeting. | 16:21 |
| banix | mestery: 1900 UTC on Thurs works for me | 16:21 |
| marun | i have no potential conflicts m/w/f | 16:22 |
| mestery | marun: At 1900 UTC? | 16:22 |
| marun | i can't make it today, but usually that time is fine | 16:22 |
| mestery | OK, looks like Thursday 1900 UTC is the best time for this meeting going forward then. | 16:23 |
| mestery | I'll send out an updated meeting invite, and this time BCC banix so he gets a copy :) | 16:24 |
| mestery | #action mestery to move this meeting to 1900 UTC Thursday going forward | 16:24 |
| banix | mestery: thanks :) | 16:24 |
| * cgoncalves waves and agrees :) | 16:24 | |
| mestery | :) | 16:24 |
| mestery | OK, since s3wong and SumitNaiksatam aren't here, I propose we adjourn this now, and for today, come back in 35 minutes for a quick syncup with those folks and others as well. | 16:25 |
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| mestery | Sound ok to everyone? | 16:25 |
| alagalah | ack | 16:25 |
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| banix | yes | 16:25 |
| alagalah | I won't be here but I'll read the transcript later today | 16:25 |
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| mestery | alagalah and marun: Thanks for dropping by to the early version of this one, we'll look forward to seeing you folks next week at the new 1900 UTC slot. :) | 16:26 |
| marun | :) | 16:26 |
| mestery | OK, we'll see everyone back here in 35 minutes! | 16:26 |
| mestery | Thanks! | 16:26 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 16:26:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-13-16.00.html | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-13-16.00.txt | 16:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-13-16.00.log.html | 16:26 |
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| mestery | Hi folks : | 17:00 |
| mestery | :) | 17:00 |
| thinrichs | Hi all. | 17:00 |
| banix | hi | 17:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_policy | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 17:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 17:00 |
| s3wong | Hello, guys! | 17:00 |
| mestery | OK first order of business: Meeting times :) | 17:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 17:01 |
| mestery | banix, myself, marun, alagalah, and a few others forgot this time. | 17:01 |
| mestery | So we met an hour earlier before we realized that. | 17:01 |
| mestery | Second is that this slot won't work for marun going forward. | 17:01 |
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| mestery | So, long story short, will 1900 UTC Thursday work for everyone going forward? | 17:01 |
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| s3wong | mestery: really? You initiated the time change :-) | 17:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: to confirm, that is 11 AM PST? | 17:02 |
| shivharis | hi | 17:02 |
| mestery | I know I know. :) | 17:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sorry, timezone challenged :-) | 17:02 |
| mestery | My calendar invite for myself still said 1600 UTC :( | 17:02 |
| * mestery clearly didn't have enough coffee this mornig. | 17:02 | |
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| banix | yes 11am pst | 17:02 |
| mestery | So, 1900UTC Thursday going forward starting next weke, is that good for folks? | 17:02 |
| banix | 2pm est | 17:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks | 17:02 |
| mestery | #link http://www.scc-ares-races.org/generalinfo/utcchart.html Timezone conversion page | 17:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: just wanted to make sure we have the same understanding :-P | 17:03 |
| banix | This will change when we do daylight saving | 17:03 |
| s3wong | mestery: banix: since you guys already had the meeting, we have nothing to talk about? :-) | 17:04 |
| mestery | Yes, indeed. | 17:04 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: I know :) | 17:04 |
| mestery | s3wong: :P | 17:04 |
| mestery | So we're good on the meeting time change? | 17:04 |
| mestery | Going once ... going twice ... | 17:04 |
| prasadv | yes | 17:04 |
| banix | +1 | 17:04 |
| mestery | #action mestery to change this meeting to be at 1900UTC Thursdays on #openstack-meeting-alt going forward | 17:04 |
| shivharis | oops this meeting is over? my bad. | 17:05 |
| mestery | shivharis: Nope. | 17:05 |
| mestery | We'll have it now today, but going forward starting next week we'll move it. | 17:05 |
| shivharis | relief | 17:05 |
| mestery | There was a conflict for some folks at this time due to the QA meeting. | 17:05 |
| shivharis | k | 17:05 |
| mestery | OK. | 17:05 |
| mestery | #topic Shared repository for work | 17:05 |
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| mestery | The next topic is the shared repository | 17:05 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam has setup a shared github, but there was talk of using stackforge instead. | 17:06 |
| mestery | Unfourtanetly marun was the one who suggested this, and he can't be here right now (unless I just got his attention and he pops over for a minute). | 17:06 |
| mandeep | Can we use stack forge for a neutron repo? | 17:06 |
| mestery | mandeep: That was what marun was indicating, yes. | 17:06 |
| marun | (hoping, anyway) | 17:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: my understanding was that stack forge is generally used for a new project or one which is being incubated | 17:07 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, that was my understanding as well, I think you're right. | 17:07 |
| mandeep | I did look into that yesterday, but I did not see any repo on stack forge for a core project, and I am sure that they all have enough projects that would need colaboration | 17:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: in this case my anticipation was that this current activity of merging branches would be short-lived | 17:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: yeah, i agree that would amount to a fork of neutron | 17:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in general, my thinking was that we want to get to gerrit at the earliest | 17:08 |
| mestery | So given this is likely to be 3-4 patches which we can link together, maybe stackforge is overkill? | 17:08 |
| mandeep | Yes, I would think so. | 17:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: i think so, and not only that, i would prefer to do this on gerrit | 17:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so we can have dependency of patches already in review | 17:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: we can mark them WIP to being with | 17:09 |
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| mestery | Makes sense. | 17:09 |
| mandeep | Sumit: Yes that would be very convenient | 17:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that would put all of this firmly on the roadmap | 17:09 |
| mestery | Agreed. banix, thoughts on this? s3wong? | 17:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we can also run our own tempests test from our CI on it | 17:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | while we are developing it | 17:10 |
| marun | so we're not far away from simply submitting patches directly to neutron? | 17:10 |
| mestery | marun: For the APIs, yes, we are close I believe. | 17:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: my thinking was we can get to that pretty soon | 17:10 |
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| shivharis | WIP on github +1 | 17:10 |
| banix | So the patches won't get in anytime soon. will they? | 17:10 |
| marun | mestery: i guess I'm not sure why we'd need WIP on github then | 17:10 |
| s3wong | mestery: so business as usual, no stack forge? | 17:10 |
| hemanthravi | +1 github | 17:10 |
| marun | we could pretty easily submit directly to neutron and mark as WIP | 17:11 |
| marun | gerrit maintains persistent git branches, after all | 17:11 |
| mestery | marun: OK, that makes sense then. | 17:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: we wanted to merge work from a few people, so more of a convenience thing, rather than having to exchange diffs in emails | 17:11 |
| mandeep | Yes, but we need a branch for collaboration, and the repo set up by Sumit would be the right place to do that | 17:11 |
| mandeep | (just repeated what Sumit said ;-) | 17:12 |
| marun | you can do the same thing with gerrit, though, and have all the tools available. | 17:12 |
| marun | anyway, whatever works for you guys. | 17:12 |
| s3wong | So what is the conclusion? | 17:12 |
| mestery | Sounds like potential short-term github if needed, but moving very fast to WIP upstream patches. | 17:13 |
| mandeep | Personally I prefer a github repo, so I would recommend to use the repo setup by sumit | 17:13 |
| banix | So let me understand this. We use the github for now and move to gerrit | 17:13 |
| mandeep | Yes | 17:13 |
| mandeep | (that is my underdstanding) | 17:13 |
| s3wong | OK | 17:14 |
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| banix | Sounds good; Let's do it this way. | 17:14 |
| mestery | #action SumitNaiksatam to update meeting page with temporary shared github address | 17:15 |
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| mestery | #note Use shared github for short-term collaboration, moving quickly to upstream WIP patches. | 17:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: ok, will sync with you | 17:15 |
| mestery | Thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 17:15 |
| mestery | #topic PoC Code | 17:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PoC Code (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 17:16 | |
| mestery | So, there is movement on the API front between SumitNaiksatam and s3wong. | 17:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery s3wong: working on it | 17:16 |
| s3wong | Yes, I will pull a personal branch, check it into that, and do a pull request to the main branch - that is the procedure now, right? | 17:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: no pull request required | 17:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: lets keep the master to mirror upstream | 17:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we can merge other branches | 17:18 |
| mandeep | we can send a pull request to a colaboration branch | 17:18 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 17:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: yeah, thats what i meant | 17:18 |
| banix | mandeep: can you write a couple of lines as to what to do and post it to the wiki so we are on the same page | 17:18 |
| mandeep | And that allows us to use github comments to do any discussion | 17:18 |
| mandeep | banix: will do | 17:18 |
| banix | mandeep: thanks | 17:19 |
| s3wong | banix: don't know if you looked at my diff so far - one thing to note. You and I had been back and forth on action as Neutron object; so far, since each action type has different structure, I put action as Neutron object for now | 17:19 |
| mestery | #action mandeep to update wiki with collaboration instructions | 17:19 |
| banix | s3wong: yes that's how I am doing it on the model side as well; will look more closely | 17:20 |
| s3wong | banix: cool | 17:20 |
| mestery | OK, anything else to talk about regarding PoC this week? | 17:21 |
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| s3wong | mestery: well - how are you doing on the agent side? :-) | 17:21 |
| mestery | s3wong: Not good, lets put it that way. :) | 17:21 |
| mestery | I will have more to update next week as well. :) | 17:22 |
| mestery | #topic OpenDaylight Policy Proposal | 17:23 |
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| mestery | I know s3wong and banix and others are aware, but there is an equivalent proposal in OpenDaylight moving forward now. | 17:23 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Application_Policy_Plugin OpenDaylight Policy Proposal | 17:23 |
| s3wong | mestery: Oh, we are going to talk about the ODL project here too? | 17:23 |
| mestery | Just wanted to note it here for people. | 17:23 |
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| mestery | s3wong: Given how the two tie together, and how the ODL ML2 MechanismDriver is getting close to merging, it makes sense a bit. | 17:24 |
| mestery | Mostly just wanted to bring this up here. | 17:24 |
| mestery | To keep people aware. | 17:24 |
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| mestery | We'll want to tie this into the ODL MechanismDriver as well once we get to that point and the APIs are implemented on the ODL side. | 17:24 |
| s3wong | mestery: the ODL ML2 mechanisum driver will definitely make it to Icehouse, I suppose? | 17:24 |
| mestery | s3wong: We just need third party testing, which the Linux Foundation assures me will be ready next week. Fingers crossed. | 17:25 |
| mestery | The code has seen multiple reviews, so it's looking good. | 17:25 |
| mestery | For reference: | 17:25 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69775/ OpenDaylight ML2 review | 17:25 |
| mestery | #topic Integration with Network Services | 17:25 |
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| mestery | banix this is your item correct? | 17:26 |
| mestery | You added this one? | 17:26 |
| banix | Yes, I see as we get the basic stuff worked out there are a couple of broad directions that we need to look at | 17:26 |
| prasadv | also network aware scheduling.. What is it? | 17:27 |
| banix | One being how our framework integrates with network services, advanced services, service chaining work | 17:27 |
| mestery | prasadv: That was added by debo dutta, but he's not here, so I thought we'd punt that for today. | 17:27 |
| s3wong | banix: if we feel ambitious, we should add 'redirect' action before the J-Summit | 17:27 |
| mestery | s3wong: +1 to that | 17:27 |
| banix | the other being integration with other types of policy work such as scheduling related work | 17:27 |
| banix | s3wong: that should be our goal | 17:28 |
| s3wong | banix: I noticed that as well - a Nova project, right? | 17:28 |
| banix | and as we start looking at that we need to see how we can reuse service if posseble | 17:28 |
| mestery | banix: makes sense | 17:28 |
| songole | banix: service reuse - are you talking about multi-tenancy? | 17:29 |
| banix | s3wong: correct; and some work on the Heat side | 17:29 |
| s3wong | Also, after the basic PoC working, I would need to contact Sean to get the 'qos' action set defined | 17:29 |
| mestery | s3wong: That makes sense as well! | 17:30 |
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| banix | songole: Not really; just as we try to implement redirect, we need to somehow specify/refer to a middle box like a LB or a FW. Right? | 17:31 |
| s3wong | banix: nice - would be great to see us (network policy) working with Nova team to have Heat driving the whole infra, eventually | 17:31 |
| songole | banix: got it | 17:31 |
| banix | s3wong: yes I think mystery will have more to say on that front | 17:32 |
| banix | mastery that is | 17:32 |
| banix | mestery! | 17:32 |
| s3wong | it is indeed a mystery :-) | 17:32 |
| songole | sumit: could you also setup a heat repo as well? thanks | 17:32 |
| hemanthravi | we are starting on adding heat support for the apis from s3wong | 17:33 |
| banix | hemanthravi: great. thx. | 17:33 |
| s3wong | I agree, songole and hemanthravi need a collaboration repo for their code as well | 17:33 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Can you add heat repositories? | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure | 17:34 |
| prasadv | should we start talking about redirect action since we have the first action into PoC | 17:34 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 17:35 |
| mestery | prasadv: I think that's what s3wong was implying. | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: sorry, missed your earlier comment | 17:35 |
| s3wong | prasadv: I don't mind, we still have 25 minutes | 17:35 |
| mandeep | Is there a related blueprint in Heat as well? | 17:36 |
| prasadv | we probably have to define the service Ids for redirect action and the management of the list | 17:37 |
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| s3wong | prasadv: currently the 'redirect' list isn't mandated to be ordered, so to implement a chain, we need that | 17:37 |
| banix | So shall we consider a use case for redirect that we work through and see what we need to do to get there? | 17:38 |
| prasadv | instead of having a list should it be UUID and the actual list is defined outside? | 17:38 |
| songole | mandeep: there is no BP yet for heat updates. | 17:38 |
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| s3wong | prasadv: that's one way. If the service chain is itself a Neutron object, we simply set {'redirect': list: {'uuid'}} | 17:39 |
| s3wong | but if you want tenants to define the chain via policy API, you can also set 'deny', then 'redirect' to a ordered list of UUIDs specifying the desired services | 17:40 |
| prasadv | s3wong:redirect to list, does it mean it gets redirected to all the items in the list? | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i would like to better understand the requirements from the neutron service chain | 17:40 |
| s3wong | prasadv: yes | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have been involved in incubating that feature for a while (along with mandeep and mestery) here | 17:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we were initially planning to get it into I3, but that seems a stretch | 17:42 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes, actually I would like your opinion on this as well - since you have been driving the Neutron service chaining project | 17:42 |
| mestery | We should maybe sketch out a user case for the service redirect in the document to start with. | 17:42 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: Could you tell us a bit about the status of that work | 17:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i can carry over feedback from this discussion into that | 17:42 |
| prasadv | s3wong: I assume the UUID in the list is a neutron object right? | 17:42 |
| s3wong | prasadv: Yes | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong banix: sure | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: is this the right time to discuss this? | 17:42 |
| banix | mestery: agree | 17:43 |
| prasadv | mestery: I agree | 17:43 |
| mestery | Maybe we should move this to a use case discussion in the document SumitNaiksatam? | 17:43 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: if you can do it in 17 minutes :-) !!! | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure | 17:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong banix mestery: why don't we go offline on this, and have this as an agenda item on the next meeting? | 17:43 |
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| banix | Let me start an email on the ML | 17:44 |
| mestery | Makes sense. | 17:44 |
| mestery | Perfect | 17:44 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: Sure | 17:44 |
| banix | yes agree | 17:44 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 17:44 |
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| mestery | Anything else for this week? | 17:44 |
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| banix | mestery: you wanted to talk about scheduling policies? | 17:44 |
| mestery | banix: No, that was someone else. | 17:45 |
| mestery | We'll do that next week perhaps. | 17:45 |
| banix | ok | 17:45 |
| s3wong | mestery: make sure we invite him to the right time next time :-) | 17:45 |
| banix | let's meet at 1900 UTC again | 17:45 |
| banix | just kidding :) | 17:45 |
| mestery | hahahahahahah | 17:45 |
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| mestery | OK, 1900 UTC next week! | 17:46 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone! | 17:46 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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| s3wong | Thanks! | 17:46 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 17:46:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
| hemanthravi | thanks | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-13-17.00.html | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-13-17.00.txt | 17:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-13-17.00.log.html | 17:46 |
| songole | thanks | 17:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks, bye | 17:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks, are you around? | 18:00 |
| bob_nettleton | here | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 18:00:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for several more mins | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I see tmckay is here too | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jspeidel, jmaron, ping | 18:01 |
| tmckay | I'm here | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, should we wait for Jon/John? | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, and for Chad? | 18:03 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, I think so. let me see if I can get a hold of them. | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | I'm here | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh o/ | 18:03 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB o/ | 18:04 |
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| ErikB | Hello | 18:05 |
| dmitryme | hello | 18:05 |
| ylobankov1 | hello | 18:05 |
| sreshetnyak | hi | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's start | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda#Agenda_for_February.2C_13 | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:06 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x31f8110> | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda#Agenda_for_February.2C_13 | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Mission Statement re-wording | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mission Statement re-wording (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:06 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | small intro | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm working on adding our official mission statement to OpenStack governance doc | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I received some comments from tc | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | to make it simpler and remove some marketing like stuff | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71045/1/reference/programs.yaml | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | here you can find some commets | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and you can see a ML thread about it | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov and alazarev are already +1'd the mission statement re-wording proposed by dhellmann | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces. | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | "To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces." | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | instead of "To provide the OpenStack community with an open, cutting edge, performant and scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces." | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we're in OpenStack, so no need to add OpenStack and open | 18:10 |
| alazarev | I really like new wording | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and cutting edge, performant looks quite marketing instead of proposing our mission | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, it's lgtm | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any thoughts? | 18:10 |
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| tmckay | +1 | 18:11 |
| dmitryme | I don't have a preference here | 18:11 |
| ErikB | +1 | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, let's vote for it | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let me remember how to do it ;) | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startvote Approve mission statement "To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces."? Yes, No, Abstain | 18:12 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Approve mission statement "To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces."? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 18:12 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote Yes | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | #vote Yes | 18:12 |
| dmitryme | #vote abstain | 18:12 |
| ErikB | #vote Yes | 18:13 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | #vote Yes | 18:13 |
| ylobankov1 | #vote Yes | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, jmaron, bob_nettleton, sreshetnyak, ping | 18:13 |
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| tmckay | #vote Yes | 18:13 |
| bob_nettleton | #vote Yes | 18:14 |
| alazarev | @vote Yes | 18:14 |
| alazarev | #vote Yes | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min left | 18:15 |
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| sreshetnyak | #vote Yes | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endvote | 18:17 |
| openstack | Voted on "Approve mission statement "To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces."?" Results are | 18:17 |
| openstack | Yes (9): bob_nettleton, ylobankov1, NikitaKonovalov, crobertsrh, tmckay, ErikB, SergeyLukjanov, alazarev, sreshetnyak | 18:17 |
| openstack | Abstain (1): dmitryme | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that's enough | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info agreed on new mission statement | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Project naming collision | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the much more painful topic | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have tons of options in the etherpad | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | now, we should filter out some bad options and I'd like to setup voting for it | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | common CIVS with N winners | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for 3 days | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to have results early Monday | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any thoughts on N=? | 18:21 |
| ErikB | N=3 | 18:21 |
| dmitryme | Are we going to have second voting? | 18:22 |
| alazarev | how many rounds will be? | 18:22 |
| dmitryme | I mean the second voting to pick best from these N options | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have more than 60 options anyway O_O | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, yup | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that we should have some good options to discuss | 18:23 |
| dmitryme | If we have two rounds, I would propose N=10 or 15 | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, I'm thinking about 10% of proposed options | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the voting will require folks to sort options | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but I'm afraid that sort 60 options could be quite difficult | 18:25 |
| dmitryme | 6? As far as I understand during the second voting we will have to pick 3-5 best and send them to the legal guys hoping that some of them could be used as a name | 18:25 |
| alazarev | so, first round is for 60 -> N, second is for N -> 1, right? | 18:25 |
| NikitaKonovalov | let's sort them alphabetically :) | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, dmitryme, I think that we send about 5-6 options to check | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, it could be done after the first pass if we see good results | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO sorting 60 options good produce very random results ;) | 18:26 |
| dmitryme | regarding sorting, imho it is not that difficult to sort 60 options. Though it will take some time, yes :-) | 18:26 |
| tmckay | I would be fine with designating representatives to cull the list initially | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, hm, not sure that I understand you correctly | 18:28 |
| alazarev | 3 rounds could make it more seamless, something like 60->15, 15->3, 3->1 | 18:29 |
| tmckay | 2 or 3 folks to unanimously toss options in the garbage | 18:29 |
| tmckay | "no, no, no, no, no" if all agree, gets the list from 60 to something much smaller very fast | 18:29 |
| tmckay | Like many of my fine elephant references --> "No!" :) | 18:30 |
| tmckay | My son last night suggested "Mudbath" | 18:30 |
| tmckay | but I'm also okay with starting with the entire 60 | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I'm mostly agree with you | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have 30 mins left and many folks here | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we could wipe out some of options | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for example, I'd like to wipe out elephants directly related names | 18:32 |
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| dmitryme | Sergey: could we list them there? | 18:32 |
| dmitryme | just to be sure | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, feel free to propose option removal | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | while I'm collecting the list of elephants ;) | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | pooram, dubare, pahan, ElephantHouse, Stable, StableMaster, Slonic/Slonik, Oliphaunt, Babar, Elmer, Batyr, Hathi, Dumbo, Kamama, Barnum | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, looks like I've collected all of them | 18:36 |
| dmitryme | Oliphaunt - I really like it :-) | 18:36 |
| dmitryme | have no objections to remove other names | 18:36 |
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| dmitryme | any one else supporting Oliphaunt or other names? | 18:37 |
| dmitryme | in no, lets remove them | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mm | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any thoughts folks? | 18:38 |
| alazarev | +1 on removing elephants | 18:38 |
| ylobankov1 | I don't like all | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for several more mins | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elephant topic is really not very good if we'd like to be not only Hadoop guys | 18:39 |
| tmckay | good point. But it's fun :) | 18:40 |
| dmitryme | while waiting, I propose removing Lift and Crane. These are mine but so far nobody supported them. So it make sense to remove them from the start | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 18:41 |
| bob_nettleton | "Lift" is also the name of a popular Scala Web framework as well. | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup and I don't really like it ;) | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean scala framework | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info agreed to remove all elephants related names: pooram, dubare, pahan, ElephantHouse, Stable, StableMaster, Slonic/Slonik, Oliphaunt, Babar, Elmer, Batyr, Hathi, Dumbo, Kamama, Barnum from naming options | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other names to remove? | 18:42 |
| jmaron | sorry I'm late - had to shovel out of the "heart attack" snow that fell today | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, hey | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, we'd like to filter out some options from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | before voting for top N | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, so, you could propose any names or group of them to be wiped so far | 18:43 |
| jmaron | k | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think the following could be wiped out too - TroopMaster, TroopCommander, HerdMaster, HerdCommander, ElephantHouse | 18:44 |
| alazarev | what about savanna modifications? Probably they need to be removed too, savana, savannah, zavana | 18:44 |
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| dmitryme | agree to remove both lists | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, savannah is a gnu project, savana is misspelled | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, removing them anyway :( | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | zavana sounds like we're trying to save savanna | 18:45 |
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| jmaron | are we going with an "elephant" theme? saw that somewhere on the page | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, we've just agreed to remove any elephant-related options | 18:47 |
| jmaron | doh! got it | 18:47 |
| jmaron | *puts away Hadrian idea* | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | additionally, there are some potential trademark issues, but I'm not a lawyer to determine which are important and which are not | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but something like Compas could be removed anyway | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (used by Huawei for their deployment framework, presented in the Havana summit) | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections about removing "TroopMaster, TroopCommander, HerdMaster, HerdCommander, ElephantHouse"? | 18:49 |
| jmaron | +1 | 18:49 |
| tmckay | +1 | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'd like to remove Safari from the list, don't want to fight with Apple ;) | 18:49 |
| dmitryme | +1 on removing safari | 18:50 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:50 |
| ylobankov1 | +1 | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | additionally, it'll be great to keep name length <= savanna | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other proposals for removing options? | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, thx for the idea | 18:51 |
| alazarev | why? the only reason I heart is pep fight | 18:51 |
| alazarev | pep8 | 18:51 |
| jmaron | hate to add one, but just had a thought: anyone like "proscenium"? the stage area in front of the scaenae frons was known as the "proscenium", meaning "in front of the scenery". A proscenium arch creates a "window" around the scenery and performers | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, pep8 fight and it's easier to write short names, it's not a requirement, just good factor | 18:52 |
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| tmckay | iCluster | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, I'm afraid that my english is to bad to pronounce it | 18:52 |
| jmaron | fair enough ;) | 18:53 |
| tmckay | because everything with an "i" is perfect | 18:53 |
| dmitryme | jmaron: no, sorry, do not like it | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, iData iProcessing | 18:53 |
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| tmckay | now you're talking ;-) | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info agreed to remove "TroopMaster, TroopCommander, HerdMaster, HerdCommander, ElephantHouse" | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IIRC, there are no meetings after us, so we can have some additional time | 18:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any more options removing proposals? | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Spectrum | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum - 85809044, Software as a Service (SaaS), namely, cloud-based enterprise software for transactional and non-transactional data, file management, workflow management, and data search capabilities; Software as a Service (SaaS), namely, cloud-based computer software for use in product development, manufacturing, and supply chain processes | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | should we remove it? | 18:57 |
| dmitryme | I don't like Waza, Hananama, Kamama | 18:57 |
| dmitryme | Spectrum sounds not bad imho | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, me too, I don't know Mandarin and Cherokee | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections for removing Waza, Hananama, Kamama? | 18:58 |
| jmaron | if it already has a wiki entry, it's probably a problem | 18:58 |
| tmckay | no objectoins | 18:59 |
| jmaron | +1 to removing those | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, it's sounds good, but looks like an overlap | 18:59 |
| dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov: doh, ok | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Spectrum tags: aaS, cloud, data search | 18:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I think it'll be safer to remove it | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info agreed to remove Waza, Hananama, Kamama | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's end on it with options removal | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should have about 30 options | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and let's sort them to have 10 options left to discuss them | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll setup voting latertoday | 19:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's have a super short news section | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topc News / updates | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ylobankov1, tmckay, bob_nettleton, alazarev, dmitryme, jmaron, ping | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak | 19:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'm working on renewal of our config sample stuff | 19:02 |
| dmitryme | I'am further working on Agent remote, today started HDP cluster with it | 19:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and going to write some new tempest tests | 19:03 |
| jmaron | waiting for folks to review HDP 2 commit | 19:03 |
| bob_nettleton | Yesterday, I submitted my initial patch for the HDP diskimage-builder images to "savanna-image-elements". I'm working through the various review comments, and hope to upload an updated patch later today. | 19:03 |
| ylobankov1 | I was working on adding tests for Cinder | 19:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, trying to do it, it's big enough, so, will require some more time | 19:03 |
| alazarev | I'm adding IDH 3.0.2 to IDH plugin, should not be too hard | 19:03 |
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| jmaron | fair enough. thank god I held off on refactoring ;) | 19:03 |
| tmckay | EDP streaming mapreduce and java actions are in, job types fixed up, old Jar type completely gone. I haven't started any new EDP actions yet. | 19:03 |
| dmitryme | more importantly, I've found that we incorrectly used eventlet.monkey_patch - it should be called as early in application as possible. Now fixing it | 19:03 |
| tmckay | Started looking at testing around python-savannaclient | 19:04 |
| ylobankov1 | In addition, I am going to write a few tests for tempest | 19:04 |
| jmaron | have a commit almost ready for bug 1271349. needed to add some savanna.conf settings so I look forward to a spirited review ;) | 19:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, a big thank you for separating refactoring to the next patch :) | 19:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | how're planning to attend summit in May? | 19:05 |
| jmaron | will explain need for settings in commit message (in addition to documentation added as part of commit) | 19:05 |
| jmaron | will go if management approves | 19:06 |
| crobertsrh | Mostly just bug work on savanna dashboard. Streaming MapReduce should be ready to go. Also, I will be out next week (gone curling). | 19:06 |
| tmckay | I should be at summit in Atlanta in May | 19:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | btw, I'll be there too | 19:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks for the updates | 19:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's end the meeting and have open discussions in #savanna channel | 19:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you all | 19:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 19:07:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-13-18.00.html | 19:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-13-18.00.txt | 19:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-13-18.00.log.html | 19:07 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 22:05 |
| zehicle_at_dell | sorry, running late | 22:05 |
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| catherineD | Here | 22:06 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | sorry all, still not really on. can someone else start and moderate? | 22:13 |
| rockyg | Oops. I started int the wrong meeting. | 22:15 |
| rockyg | startmeeting RefStack | 22:15 |
| rockyg | startmeeting RefStack | 22:16 |
| rockyg | #startmeeting RefStack | 22:16 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 22:16:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:16 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: RefStack)" | 22:17 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 22:17 |
| rockyg | OK. We're Started. | 22:17 |
| catherineD | CatherineD is here | 22:17 |
| rockyg | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-13-22.07.html | 22:18 |
| rockyg | Roll call again to get it in the minutes: catherineD? | 22:19 |
| catherineD | Here | 22:19 |
| RaymondWong | RaymondWong | 22:19 |
| rockyg | Anyone Else? | 22:19 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 22:19 |
| teDC | :) | 22:19 |
| rockyg | Excellent. Let's start with Status. Tcup? | 22:19 |
| rockyg | #topic Tcup | 22:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tcup (Meeting topic: RefStack)" | 22:20 | |
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| rockyg | Catherine, Raymond, Alex_H, any status on Tcup, tempest, etc? | 22:20 |
| catherineD | t-cup (Docker) working last step is to call API and script to ship data from container to Refstack | 22:21 |
| catherineD | Now configure with a number of testcases that only take 33 sec to finish for debug | 22:21 |
| rockyg | Cool. so this is the connect with Davidlenwell s stuff | 22:21 |
| catherineD | yes | 22:21 |
| davidlenwell | Hi everyone | 22:22 |
| rockyg | Hey, davidlenwell, did you catch the last from catherineD? | 22:22 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD and I synced earlier today .. so we should be on teh same page | 22:23 |
| rockyg | Where does the code live? | 22:23 |
| rockyg | And can anyone build it? | 22:23 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Alex has the code, but he needs direction on where to put it | 22:24 |
| davidlenwell | I instructed him to make a git hub repo weeks ago | 22:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | he may need more help, where do you want it | 22:24 |
| rockyg | And that was an action item from last week: Will it go to stackforge or directly into openstack? | 22:24 |
| davidlenwell | neither for now | 22:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I can work w/ him 1x1 | 22:24 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd like it if it was a stand alone repository called docker-tempest or something to that effect | 22:25 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | we could do that | 22:25 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD and I talked earlier about keeping scripts in the refstack repository for now | 22:25 |
| zehicle_at_dell | what about refstack-tcup? | 22:25 |
| davidlenwell | there is a scripts directory I believe .. it could just be put there | 22:26 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, I think I'd rahter keep it in the refstack for now | 22:26 |
| davidlenwell | I like that | 22:26 |
| rockyg | OK. I really think that we should get it into stackforge. A colleague I plan to introduce next week can help tie it into the CI. We can do no voting until we call it. Until then, one of the existing refstack repositories. I agree with refstack. | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so, it would be controlled by the gates | 22:26 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, +1 | 22:26 |
| davidlenwell | so what he should do is fork refstack from me | 22:26 |
| rockyg | I type too much. | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I will show him how to do that | 22:26 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: we will .. | 22:26 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: then have him add the script .. commit and send a pull request | 22:27 |
| catherineD | Rigjt now we are working on building config file from default file .. once that is done any one can run t-cup | 22:27 |
| zehicle_at_dell | :) time he learned how to do that anyway | 22:27 |
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| rockyg | Great. | 22:27 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: I absolutely want this in stackforge .. but we are a little too dissorgiized just yet | 22:27 |
| catherineD | David should we show the doc that we discuss this morning .. | 22:27 |
| davidlenwell | I am hoping by the begining of march we can do that | 22:27 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: perhaps . | 22:28 |
| catherineD | Raymond could you ping the link ... | 22:28 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD and I had a phone conversation earlier and identified the area they can contribute to | 22:28 |
| catherineD | that way we can ping point the script that need to be written .. | 22:28 |
| rockyg | Jerry, the guy I mentioned, just got one of our projects working in Stackforge. He shephearded along from just a repository to running unit tests now. voting but not blocking. | 22:28 |
| davidlenwell | we don't have tests yet | 22:29 |
| RaymondWong | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw1YqO1DEg6SbUxwQ1NraFpFaXc/edit?usp=sharing | 22:29 |
| davidlenwell | and we are about to rewrite a lot of things .. which I guess is fine to do in stackforge | 22:29 |
| rockyg | So, no need for the test stuff, but still CI. | 22:29 |
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| rockyg | Just skimmed the doc. I'll review it this week and maybe comment. Looks good, at the high level, though | 22:30 |
| rockyg | How about we get the current code all into repositories and the structure we want and when CatherineD, RaymondWong and davidlenwell say it's good enough, we do the transfer? | 22:31 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: +1 | 22:32 |
| rockyg | #ActionItem Tcup and API devs provide repository location and date to transfer to Stackforge. | 22:32 |
| rockyg | We'll need to know how many repositories and names to go with them for stackforge. | 22:33 |
| davidlenwell | if we keep it all in the same repo that gets easier | 22:33 |
| rockyg | +1 | 22:33 |
| davidlenwell | we can always split things off later on | 22:33 |
| rockyg | Ready for next topic? API and DB okay? | 22:33 |
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| davidlenwell | sure | 22:34 |
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| rockyg | #topic API and DB | 22:34 |
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| rockyg | I kinda hope someone is typing status or something in;-) | 22:35 |
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| davidlenwell | So the api and cb are in the same state as last week .. | 22:36 |
| davidlenwell | I was told I could stop working on this spike I've been on .. then the next day our ceo said no dice .. get back on it .. honestly its stressing me out a bit because refstack is my baby | 22:36 |
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| rockyg | davidlenwell: OK. It looks like a review of the API calls in the google doc posted above would be good if you haven't already. That gives us some;-) | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. we talked about that one the phone today with catherineD and RaymondWong... some of those aren't needed .. and we've planned some facetime next week while I am in town.. so i imagine we'll nail them down | 22:38 |
| rockyg | I think as long as you can keep providing some mentoring to the rest, we're doing fine. | 22:38 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. progress is happening | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | which makes me happy | 22:39 |
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| rockyg | Ready for next topic? Documentation ok? | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | sure | 22:39 |
| rockyg | #topic Documentation | 22:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation (Meeting topic: RefStack)" | 22:39 | |
| zehicle_at_dell | let's add a topic for meetings | 22:39 |
| catherineD | We discussed with David. In the Google doc we will work on the Test and Results processsing but need the dependency section ... | 22:39 |
| rockyg | Great. I'm itching to glue all these bits of information together. | 22:40 |
| rockyg | If it's OK by everybody, I'll start a RefStack page on the OpenStack Wiki and start some wordsmithing and capturing all the links. | 22:41 |
| davidlenwell | I am all for writing as much documentation abotu this stuff as possible .. and we can go in depth but what I feel like is missing is the intro to refstack higher level document | 22:41 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: please do | 22:41 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I created a stub for that last meeting | 22:41 |
| rockyg | Agreed. Cool. Not the one under governance? | 22:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/DefCoreCommittee/RefStack | 22:41 |
| davidlenwell | I saw the governance one .. not one for high level engineering .. or intro to | 22:42 |
| rockyg | OK. I think Governance is the even higher level. Mission, etc. I'll link more technical homepage to that one so once this one is found, you can follow to techy stuff if you want. | 22:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let's start w/ something and we can divide as we go | 22:43 |
| rockyg | I'll also put the skeleton into the governance one to match what is expected. | 22:43 |
| davidlenwell | sounds good | 22:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | governance will be tied to DefCore, so that should be interested | 22:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | interesting | 22:43 |
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| rockyg | yeah, been following that discussion;-) | 22:43 |
| rockyg | OK, ready for meeting topic? | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | sure | 22:44 |
| rockyg | #topic Meetings | 22:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meetings (Meeting topic: RefStack)" | 22:44 | |
| davidlenwell | are we talking about meetings like this one .. or some face time in the bay area? | 22:44 |
| catherineD | BTW, since Raymond will be working on Tempest Result processing ... Has DefCore had any mapping among capability and testcases? | 22:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 22:45 |
| catherineD | We need a modlel to start coding | 22:45 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av62KoL8f9kAdEJTWnFWejJySnFXZmxWdnowTDhUSVE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 | 22:45 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we have the capabilities map per test | 22:45 |
| rockyg | mapping: there are a couple of PTLs that will be starting on that real soon now | 22:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | working on picking the must-pass (that's a lot of work) | 22:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | would be GREAT to have help | 22:46 |
| rockyg | You betcha. How about we have a meeting and pick out some obvious need to haves and start building strawman model? | 22:47 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, yes! I will set one up. We're overdue to a criteria meeting | 22:48 |
| zehicle_at_dell | will likely be 2 hours next week. | 22:48 |
| catherineD | what is column I in the spreadsheet | 22:48 |
| zehicle_at_dell | you're welcome to review in that spread sheet | 22:48 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | # of tests in the capability (I think) | 22:49 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I did J->W | 22:49 |
| rockyg | I'm not seeing *any* of those columns ;-( | 22:49 |
| rockyg | :-( | 22:50 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | see? ScoreStableCompleteDiscoverableIaaSToolsClientsFoundationFutureDoc'dLegacyClusterBasePublic | 22:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | row 2? | 22:50 |
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| rockyg | Doh! The grey tabs at the bottom. | 22:51 |
| catherineD | So this original spreadsheet was from me. Column G through W was added. We just need to understand what it means so that we can process the test results. We will take a look and send out question in email | 22:52 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | yy, I added them | 22:52 |
| zehicle_at_dell | sorry, troytoman-away added G-I | 22:53 |
| catherineD | perfect we need this to start coding once we understand it ... | 22:53 |
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| rockyg | #ActionItem Criteria meeting to follow weekly meeting on 2/20 | 22:53 |
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| rockyg | We're meeting at Piston on 2/19 (Still on davidlenwell?) and can also do some prep work. | 22:54 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | great! can we have a dial in? | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | let me email the group about that later today .. I need to make sure I have the conf room that day | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | of course | 22:54 |
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| davidlenwell | but I am pretty sure we can make it work .. refstack is very important to piston | 22:55 |
| rockyg | If you don't we could do it down in Santa Clara. I can get a room. | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | I'm sure we'll be fine | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | I just confirmed with the schedule .. should be fine | 22:55 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we also have the 3/3 meeting | 22:56 |
| catherineD | Great, I think that will be productive .. | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | I'll email an invite | 22:56 |
| rockyg | Better food up where you are. | 22:56 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, is Piston hosting that one too? | 22:56 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: not sure on that .. | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | I haven't even booked my travel for that one yet | 22:56 |
| rockyg | Let us know. We can scrounge rooms down the peninsula way. | 22:57 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm planning to be there | 22:57 |
| davidlenwell | I'll plan my travel next week while I am up in the office | 22:57 |
| davidlenwell | we'd be happy to host .. but it would depend on the dead count and scheduling | 22:58 |
| rockyg | Great! Micky Hart gonna join us? | 22:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | zombies count in that? | 22:58 |
| davidlenwell | head count | 22:58 |
| davidlenwell | I always count zombies | 22:58 |
| catherineD | :-) | 22:58 |
| rockyg | And members of the band;-) | 22:59 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I'll check w/ Josh | 22:59 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we're planning a more general DefCore meeting at the same time | 22:59 |
| davidlenwell | josh and I also are participating in an ironic sprint thing that is supposed to be that week also | 22:59 |
| catherineD | we are at the Top of the hour | 22:59 |
| rockyg | OK. Anything else for meetings? I think I can capture what we've got here into more cogent notes. | 23:00 |
| davidlenwell | I think we've covered everything | 23:00 |
| rockyg | Dang! I wanted to talk about all these other efforts that are also planning to use Tempest (Rally, etc) and whether there might be synergy. | 23:00 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm ok | 23:00 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | thanks all, sorry about the late start | 23:00 |
| catherineD | thx everyone! | 23:00 |
| rockyg | I'll put it on the agenda for next week. | 23:00 |
| davidlenwell | sounds good | 23:00 |
| rockyg | Anything else? | 23:01 |
| rockyg | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 23:01:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-13-22.16.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-13-22.16.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-13-22.16.log.html | 23:01 |
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